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FRIDAY, 9 MARCH 1973

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2812 Children's Services, &c., Bill [9 MARCH 1973] Ministerial Statement

FRIDAY, 9 MARCH 1973

Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. W. H. Lonergan, Flinders) read prayers and took the chair at 11 a.m.

PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table:- Orders in Council under- City of Brisbane Act 1924-1972. The Rural Training Schools Act of 1965. Regulations under- Local Government Act 1936-1971. Clean Waters Act 1971. Statutes under the Griffith University Act 1971. Rules under the City of Brisbane Act 1924-1972. Ordinances under the City of Brisbane Act 1924-1972.

ATTIRE IN CHAMBER Mr. SPEAKER: Order! Before I call any further business, I notice that the honourable member for Albert is not wearing a tie. He will please leave the Chamber immediately and return when he is properly attired. Whereupon the honourable member for Albert withdrew from the Chamber.

MINISTERIAL STATEMENT LAND SPECULATION, MAROOCHY SHIRE Hon. H. A. McKECHNIE (Carnarvon­ Minister for Local Government and Electricity) (11.4 a.m.): It has been decided to take no action on the request by the Maroochy Shire Ratepayers and Citizens Investigation and Action Committee for an investigation into certain land dealings in the Shire of Maroochy. Such an investigation was sought by the committee in a deputation which recently waited on the Premier. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I have been informed that a writ has been issued out of the Supreme Court in this matter. I there­ fore consider it to be sub judice. I base my opinion on Erskine May's "Parliamentary Practice", which provides- " Matters awaiting or under adjudication in a criminal court or a court martial, and matters set down for trial or otherwise brought before a civil court may not be referred to in any debate or question." They are regarded as sub judice. In fairness to all parties concerned, I rule that this matter is sub judice. Personal Explanation [9 MARCH 1973] Personal Explanation 2813

PERSONAL EXPLANATION density of writing is the same in each case, and the letters are written in the same way. BORDER, AUSTRALIA-PAPUA NEW GUINEA; An investigation of the 1973 electoral roll PETITION OF TORRES STRAIT ISLANDERS showed that there is no "C" or "R" Abednego Mr. HOUSTON (Bulimba-Leader of the on it. Opposition) (11.5 a.m.), by leave: In this Mr. Bjelke-Petersen: They are not only House on Tuesday last, during the debate voters who signed the petition, remember. concerning Torres Strait Islanders, I rose on a question of privilege and referred to Mr. HOUSTON: The point I make is that the petition presented to the House by the the names are written in identical hand­ Premier as false in that it contained mainly writing. names, not signatures, and many of those Further, there are 10 names "Gebadi" on names appeared to be written in the same the petition. I invite all honourable members handwriting. Mr. Deputy Speaker promised to look at these names and the handwriting. at the time that the matter would be investi­ It is laid down in "May", and in Standing gated. I accepted that as a fair approach to Orders, that a petition shall be signed by the situation. the persons whose names are appended to it, either by their names or marks, and by no­ In "The Courier-Mail" next morning, one else. This is prescribed by Standing however, it was reported that I had said that the petition was false. The article reads­ Order 224. "Mr. Lui said: 'All the signatures are Standing Order 231 reads- genuine. I was there when the people "A Member presenting a Petition shall signed.' take care that it is in conformity with the Mr. Nona also said all signatures were Standing Rules and Orders." genuine. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I propose to give Mr. Mye said it was common among the Leader of the Opposition some latitude, Islanders for families to write in the same but I should not like to think that his personal handwriting. explanation is to develop into a lengthy 'My father write this way,' he said, as if speech. I ask him to make his point, and writing in the air. 'I write the same way.'" make it briefly. I accepted that the signatures that those three Mr. HOUSTON: The point I am making gentlemen had obtained may have been quite is that it is factual until it is proved other­ legitimate and genuine, having in mind at the wise. As I have said, there are 10 names time Mr. Deputy Speaker's undertaking to "Gebadi" on the petition. If you look at look into the matter. them, Mr. Speaker, again you will find that In the "Telegraph" of 7 March, the the writing is identical. There is certainly Premier "bought" into it and said that my no difference in the writing of the surname. statement was false; that the petition was Out of the 10 names on the petition, six quite genuine. He must have investigated the are not on the roll. petition to enable him to make such a state­ That is bad enough, but then we come to ment. There was another statement by the the name "Arago"-- Premier in the "Telegraph" of 7 March to Mr. Knox: Who is wasting the time of the the effect that the petition was genuine. This boils down to the fact that either I am being House now? untruthful, or the Premier is. As my Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I will not allow personal reputation is at stake, I ask your the Leader of the Opposition to go right indulgence, Mr. Speaker, in allowing me to through the petition. bring to the attention of the House some of the things in the petition that I believe Mr. HOUSTON: I do not intend to. are irregular. Mr. SPEAKER: I ask the honourable The petition is in two parts, and they are gentleman to come to the point. headed- Mr. HOUSTON: My point is that in the "To the Honourable the Speaker and instance of the name "Arago", there is only members of the Legislative Assembly of a dot under the surname. Surely a signature Queensland and Parliament assembled. The is not a Christian name, and all the Christian petition of the undersigned people of the names are written in the same handwriting. Torres Strait in the State of Queensland With another set of names, we see the respectfully showeth that they are citizens Christian name and then a tick under the of Queensland--" surname. I emphasise the words, "the undersigned Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I think the honour­ people." You have the document before you, able gentleman has established his point. Mr. Speaker. The name "Abednego" appears. If you look at the petition, you will see that Mr. HOUSTON: I think I have established there are nine people of that name. The that what I am saying is completely true, writing of each is identical, and one does not and I should like you, Mr. Speaker, and need to be a handwriting expert to know that the two Whips to confer and report to they were written by the same person. The Parliament on the matter. 2814 Personal Explanation [9 MARCH 1973] Personal Explanation

Mr. SPEAKER: Order! Honourable mem­ Mr. SPEAKER: Order! In my view, the bers: In accordance with parliamentary pro­ petition is in order. I have made that quite cedure, before any petition is presented to clear to the House. In my opinion no fraud the House, the Clerk of the House vets it. has been perpetrated, and as far as I am Mr. Sherrington: Don't pool him! concerned that is where the matter rests. Mr. HOUSTON: I rise to a point of Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I ask the honour­ order. able member for Salisbury not to interject while I am on my feet. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I will not have the On examination, it is found that the Leader of the Opposition continually rising petition indicates that in form, character and to points of order. substance it is in conformity with the rules Mr. HOUSTON: Further to your state­ and is therefore receivable by the House. ment, Mr. Speaker, would you agree to The authenticity of the signatures appearing have the two documents in question placed on the petition must be accepted until the in the hands of the police scientific depart­ contrary is proved. ment so that the handwriting can be checked? Mr. Marginson: Why don't you get a That is the only way this House will accept handwriting expert? the petition. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The honourable Furthermore, even if it can be proved gentleman will please resume his seat. conclusively that half of the signatures are Opposition Members interjected. unacceptable or do not conform, that does not in any way invalidate the petition. Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I rise to a I refer honourable members to Erskine point of order. The honourable member for May's "Padiamentary Practice", at page 799. Rockhampton has just said, "This is another It says, inter alia- fraud by the Premier." That remark is offensive to me. I ask him to withdraw it "A Member who has reason to believe and to apologise. that the signatures to a petition are genuine, is justified in presenting it--" Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The honourable I do not consider the petition to be fraudulent. member for Rockhampton will withdraw the remark. Mr. Sherrington: Well, we do. Mr. WRIGHT: I do not think there is any Mr. SPEAKER: Order! evidence to show-- Mr. HOUSTON: I rise to a point of Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The honourable order. Mr. Speaker, you referred to "May". member will withdraw the remark. Let me also refer to "May". At page 137, under the heading "Presenting Forged, Mr. WRIGHT: What remark? Falsified or Fabricated Documents to either House or Committees of either House", it Mr. SPEAKER: That this is another fraud says- by the Premier. "It is a breach of privilege to present or Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: Mr. Speaker, I cause to be presented to either House or demand an immediate apology from the to committees of either House forged, honourable member, or his removal from falsified or fabricated documents with this Chamber. intent to deceive such House or committees or to subscribe the names of other persons Mr. SPEAKER: I call on the honourable or fictitious names to documents intended member for Rockhampton to withdraw the to be presented to either House or com­ remark. mittees of either House, or to be privy to, or congnizant of, such forgery or Mr. WRIGHT: I accept the Premier's fraud. statement that he is not a fraud. Examples of this !Gind of contempt are: Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The honourable Forging signatures to petitions or sub­ member with withdraw the remark uncon­ scribing fictitious signatures thereto; ditionally. I warn him under Standing Order Tampering with a petition; 123A. I will not waste any more time with Forging counsel's names to an appeal him. without their knowledge; Mr. WRIGHT: I withdraw it. Fabrication of documentary evidence; Making an alteration in a paper . . . ; Mr. SPEAKER: And apologise. Causing a petition to be presented to Mr. WRIGHT: And apologise. the House well knowing, or having good reason to believe, that numerous fictitious Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I have another signatures were attached to the petition point of order in connection with the honour­ and that the names of persons had been able member for Barren River, who uttered subscribed thereto without their the same remark initially. I ask him to authority." withdraw it and apologise. Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2815

Mr. SPEAKER: Order! The honourable could have been cleared up since that date. member for Barron River has referred to Separate statistics in these matters are not the Premier as perpetrating a fraud. I ask maintained. Separate figures are not avail­ him to withdraw the remark and apologise. able for the metropolitan area as distinct from the rest of the State. Figures in Mr. B. WOOD: I withdraw and apologise. respect of the period since January 1, The words will remain written. 1973 are not readily available and could not be obtained without considerable Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I ask the honour­ research." able member to withdraw and apologise without qualification. (2) "It is not possible, without a tre­ mendous amount of research, to obtain the Mr. B. WOOD: I do so, again. figures requested, and it is not proposed Mr. HOUSTON: Mr. Speaker, I give to undertake this research." notice that I will move that your ruling on this matter be dissented from. Mr. SPEAKER: Order! There is far too much audible conversation in the Chamber. Mr. TUCKER: I rise to a point of order. I feel sure that honourable members appreci­ A moment ago the Premier said, "I demand ate that question time is a very important an apology from the honourable member part of parliamentary procedure, but the way for Rockhampton or his removal from this honourable members converse while questions Chamber." Has the Premier the right to are being answered would lead one to doubt direct you, Mr. Speaker, as to what shall very much whether it is. happen to a member in this House? I ask you for your ruling on that point.

Mr. SPEAKER: Order! As I have said CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP OF LAND before, I accept no dictation. There is no BY ABORIGINES valid point of order. Mr. Houston, pursuant to notice, asked The Premier,- (1) What acreage of land has the State QUESTIONS UPON NOTICE Government passed over to the full con­ trol and ownership of Aborigines? BURGLARY AND BREAKING AND ENTERING OFFENCES (2) What acreage of land has been Mr. Houston, pursuant to notice, asked The granted to individual Aborigines as home Minister for Works,- sites? (1) Between (a) July 1 and December (3) What is the total number of Abori­ 31, 1972 and (b) January 1, 1973, to gines concerned in (1 ) and ( 2) ? date, how many cases of burglary and/or breaking and entering of (i) dwelling Answer:- houses and (ii) buildings, were reported in the metropolitan area and the rest of ( 1 to 3) "Aboriginal people in Queens­ the State, respectively, and how many land are not restricted or limited in their have been solved? ability to acquire and hold title to free­ (2) How many of the cases in the hold, leasehold and other title within the same categories and in the same areas meaning of the Land Act 1961-1972. which were reported in 1971-72 still Queenslanders generally are not identified remain unsolved? by race when acquiring land and, therefore, no statistics are available which might Answers:- provide the information sought by the ( I) "Figures for period July 1, 1972 to Honourable Member." December 31, 1972 for Brisbane, South Brisbane and Fortitude Valley Police Districts-Dwelling houses: Number reported, 1,774; Number of offences CLAIM FOR BAUXITE RoYALTIES BY cleared, 162. Buildings: Number reported, ABORIGINES, AURUKUN 2,369; '.;rumber of offences cleared, 278. Mr. Houston, pursuant to notice, asked Figures for period July 1, 1972 to Decem­ The Premier,- ber 31, 1972 for State of Queensland­ What action has his Government taken Dwelling houses: Number reported, 2,694; to support the claim made by the Aurukun Number of offences cleared, 352. Buildings: Aborigines for royalties for bauxite on Number reported, 4,226; Number of their land? offences cleared, 638. The figures quoted relate to offences committed during the period in question. The clear-up figures Answer:- could relate to offences committed in some "There have been discussions between other period and similarly some of the the Government and certain mmmg offences reported during the relevant period interests regarding the mining of bauxite 2816 Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

on the peninsula in the Aurukun area. No RAILWAY LAND, WULGURU finality has been reached in these negotia­ Mr. Ahern for Mr. Aikens, pursuant to tions. The matter of royalties and other notice, asked The Minister for Transport,- related questions is one of Government policy." ( 1) What is the area of the land held at Wulguru, Townsville, for alleged Railway developmental purposes? CRICKET AT SECONDARY ScHOOLS, ToWNSVILLE (2) As this area of land has become the source of grave local public nuisance Mr. Ahern for Mr. Aikens, pursuant to due to people using it for unlawful pur­ notice, asked The Minister for Education,- poses, despite the zealous efforts of rail­ Have representations been made to him way administrative officers to stop such to introduce cricket as a sport in Towns­ usage and bring the offenders to book, ville secondary schools and, if so, does will consideration be given to fencing, he propose to accede to the request? trenching or pot-holing the land until such time as the Railway Department or some Answer:- other instrumentality puts it to some use? "Yes, a letter containing such repre­ sentations has been received. I have sent Answer:- copies of it to all the State Secondary (1 and 2) "The total area of land held School Principals in Townsville with a at Wulguru on the western side of the line request for their comments. I should like is 31 acres and on the eastern side 495 to point out to the Honourable Member, acres. Consideration is at present being however, that schools have complete free­ given to the future utilisation of the land dom in the selection of sports in which and the suggestions by the Honourable their students will participate. Informa­ Member also will have consideration." tion available to me indicates that cricket is played in these schools. I expect that this will be confirmed in the letters I receive from the principals." CAPITAL CoNTRIBUTIONs BY S.E.A. PROSPECTIVE RURAL CoNSUMERS Mr. Cory, pursuant to notice, asked The LAUNDRY EQUIPMENT, TOWNSVILLE Minister for Local Government,- PRISON ( 1) Does he realise the hardship which Mr. Ahern for Mr. Aikens, pursuant to is being placed on property owners by notice, asked The Minister for Tourism,- the Southern Electric Authority's require­ ( 1) In view of the possibility of a ment of payment of capital contribution greatly increased number of articles to by prospective consumers in a lump sum be laundered at the Townsville Prison, and that the requirement prevents the resulting from additional patients and staff extension of supply in many areas? following the completion of extensions at the Townsville General Hospital and the (2) If so, has he had discussions with Good Shepherd Hospice, has consideration the Southern Electric Authority's manage­ been given to the installation of mach­ ment with the hope of arriving at agree­ inery at the laundry, such as dry-weight ment on an acceptable time-payment tumblers and associated equipment, to scheme under which new rural consumers cope with the extra load? could pay their capital contribution and, (2) When is it expected that equipment if so, what were the results? which was provided for in the 1971-72 Estimates, such as a large industrial Answers:­ vacuum cleaner and ceiling fans, will be installed? (1) "Yes." (2) "The Commissioner for Electricity Answer:- Supply discussed the problem with the (1 and 2) "During an inspection of the Southern Electric Authority. The Townsville Prison last week by a Deputy authority has now decided that: (a) Comptroller-General of Prisons the Acting The non-refundable capital contribu­ Superintendent expressed satisfaction with tion and the present guarantee scheme the present laundry facilities. However, in (10 per cent. return) be continued as the anticipation of an increase in laundry work primary scheme for supply to rural areas. provision was made in the current financial (b) Where the non-refundable capital con­ year's estimates for the installation of tribution required of a consumer is judged additional laundry equipment to include a to be too high to provide a reasonable tumbler drier. Arrangements are at present chance of acceptance the time payment of in hand for the supply of those items the capital with interest over a period of of equipment for the Townsville Prison six years be permissible. The consumer laundry for which provision has been made will be required to enter into a guarantee this year." agreement to ensure the repayment of Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2817

this amount. (c) Where the six-year time areas? If not, will he have such studies payment provision results in unacceptable included in investigations already being terms due to the magnitude of capital conducted? repayment required, the offer may be made under the terms of the recently introduced Answer:- Government Rural Subsidy Scheme. (d) In all unsupplied areas, the Government "In my statement advising that environ­ Rural Subsidy Scheme provisions are to be mental studies were being undertaken for investigated as an alternative including the various sites for a new power station, the 'supply to small townships' provisions term 'environmental' was used in the where applicable. If the resulting terms of broad sense to cover all the associated factors. The studies being undertaken supply are judged to be more favourable cover the socioeconomic considerations to the prospective consumers, the offer of including the demographic, sociological and supply will be on this basis." cultural aspects as part of the com­ munity factors, in addition to the physical and biological ecological studies." CONTROL OF J OHNSTON GRASS, DARLING DOWNS Mr. Cory, pursuant to notice, asked The PEDESTRIANS AND "DON'T WALK" Minister for Lands,- TRAFFIC SIGNALS Because of the increasing infestation of Mr. Dean, pursuant to notice, asked The Darling Downs farming lands by the pest Minister for Transport,- J ohnston grass and particularly as roads, (!) What obligation rests with pedes­ reserves and river banks harbour the pest, trians to obey "Don't Walk" traffic control which is not only a problem when farming signals before leaving the footpath? land but also a host for midge, etc. which attack sorghum crops thereby reducing (2) Does such obligation exist whether ylelds- or not any traffic is approaching the (1) What control measures are avail­ traffic lights concerned? able at present? (3) In the event of a collision between (2) Will he press for more research a vehicle and a pedestrian through failure to be made into the finding of more to obey a "Don't Walk" sign, what redress economic control measures than are at is available to the vehicle driver? present available? Answers:- (3) When these are available, will he have it declared a noxious weed? ( 1) "The Queensland Traffic Regulations provide as fo!lows:-Regulation 19. (1) Answers:- (c) (ii)-'The display by a traffic con­ trol light signal of-the words "Don't (1) "Johnston grass can be effectively Walk" in red or, in the absence of the controlled by regular cultivation or by word "Walk" in green a red circle alone the use of chemical sprays containing or red and amber circles together shall sodium chlorate or by formulations such be a direction that a pedestrian facing the as T.C.A. or 2, 2D.P.A." traffic control light signal shal! not enter (2) "The matter of further research upon the carriageway'." into the problem will receive consider­ (2) "This regulatory obligation exists ation." whether or not any traffic is approaching (3) "The Co-ordinating Board has the traffic lights concerned. Regulation recently decided not to declare Johnston 42. (6)-'A pedestrian upon any road grass a noxious plant for the time being shall take due care and precaution to but this aspect could receive further avoid a collision with any other pedestrian consideration." or any vehicle upon such road'." (3) "The nature of redress available to a vehicle driver involved in a collision ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, NEW MAJOR with a pedestrian involves legal considera­ POWER STATION SITE tions of all the circumstances associated with the incident." Dr. Edwards, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Local Government,-

With reference to the consideration of WET CANTEEN, "EVENTIDE", tenders for the new power station and his SANDGATE statement that certain environmental and other studies are being undertaken for the Mr. Dean, pursuant to notice, asked The various sites, are any socioeconomic or Minister for Health,- sociological studies being conducted to ( 1) With reference to the report in the estimate effects upon various areas if the Telegraph of March 5 headed "Wet can­ power station is not constructed in those teen move for Eventide Home", will he 2818 Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

resist and refuse any action by the brewery Answers:­ barons of Queensland and their agents (!) "Yes." to attempt to destroy the peace and har­ mony of "Eventide" by introducing a wet (2) "Representations are being made to canteen which would not be in the best the Commonwealth Government in support interests of the residents and members of a detailed application already sub­ of the staff? mitted by The Cotton Marketing Board." (2) What inconvenience, sorrow and distress could accrue to the residents living in "Eventide" if alcohol was made OFFER OF BRISBANE EMPLOYMENT TO freely available at this home? NORTHERN ELECTRIC AUTHORITY EMPLOYEES (3) In the event of a wet canteen being established at "Eventide", will he ensure Mr. Tucker, pursuant to notice, asked The that the whole profits are returned to the Minister for Local Government,- home by way of general amenities and not ( 1) Is he now in a position to explain to the interests of breweries? why some thirty members of the Develop­ ment Section of the Northern Electric Answer:- Authority, which includes engineers, sur­ veyors and draftsmen, have been invited (1 to 3) "I am not aware of any approach to take up similar positions with an to my Department for the provision of electricity authority in Brisbane and how a wet canteen at 'Eventide', Sandgate." does this conform with his Government's much-vaunted scheme for decentralisation? (2) How many of the staff have indi­ cated that they will comply, with what WEIRS, LAIDLEY AND LOCKYER authority will they take up duty and when, CREEKS and will the authority be responsible for Mr. Gunn, pursuant to notice, asked The their salaries? Minister for Conservation,- (3) In view of the very decided loss to Have officers of his Department carried the North of these specialists and their out investigations into the likelihood of families, will he rescind the order for the establishing more weirs on Laidley and phasing-down of this vital developmental Lockyer Creeks? If so, what was the section? result of the investigations? Answers:- Answer:- ( 1) "The following memorandum signed "N o specific investigations have yet been by tbe Chairman of the Northern Electric carried out into the desirability of con­ Authority was delivered to all members struction of additional weirs on Laidley of the Development Department. The and Lockyer Creeks. Further specific Queensland Government has, as an objec­ investigations will be undertaken in the tive, the creation of a single authority Lockyer Valley generally when the effects for the generation and transmission of of trial recharge weirs already constructed electricity in this State. As a first step on Laidley, Flagstone and Ma Ma Creeks, towards the realization of this objective, which have not yet fully developed, have July, 1975 has been set as the target been assessed. Because of widespread com­ date for the establishment of an auth­ mitments on groundwater investigations, ority for the generation and transmission including an early requirement on Red­ of electricity in south-eastern and central bank Creek, it is unlikely that further Queensland. This will involve the taking intensive work in the Lockyer Valley over of those functions from the Southern generally can be undertaken until next Electric Authority, the Wide Bay-Burnett year at least." Regional Electricity Board and the Capri­ cornia Regional Electricity Board. The Northern Electric Authority is continuing on the basis that its incorporation in the COMPENSATION FOR CURRENCY statewide generation and transmission auth­ REVALUATION, COTTON INDUSTRY ority will not take place before there is significant interconnection between the Mr. Gunn, pursuant to notice, asked The northern and southern systems. Current Minister for Primary Industries,- planning indicates that interconnection is ( 1) Is he aware that Queensland's not likely to happen within the next ten cotton growers could lose $10 a bale on years. It must be realised, however, thar the present crop of cotton due to the the timing of the incorporation of the revaluation of the dollar? Northern Electric Authority into the state­ wide undertaking has not yet been deter­ (2) Will he seek compensation from the mined. Honourable Members will prob­ Commonwealth Government for farmers ably be aware that a decision will be engaged in this industry? made sometime during 1973 on the location Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2819

and service date for the next major power All members of the Development Depart­ station to follow Gladstone. If the pro­ ment will have the opportunity of a per­ jected target commissioning date is to be sonal interview so .that the position may met, preliminary design work will need be more fully explained and an indication to start within the next few months. Since of the views of staff towards secondment the new undertaking is not likely to have can be obtained. It will be appreciated any statutory responsibility until July 1975, that there are limited opportunities for it follows that some existing organization alternative employment within this Auth­ must proceed with the task in the mean­ ority for those members of staff who time. The Government has decided that cannot be gainfully employed in the the Southern Electric Authority is to be Development Department and who do not given the responsibility for the new pro­ wish to transfer to the Southern Electric ject till July, 1975. Coincidentally, and Authority. I am informed that the opinion quite unrelated to the Government's of staff members has been sought. This decision concerning the post-Gladstone does not relate to decentralisation. Work development, the Northern Electric Auth­ is not available in Townsvil!e and equi­ ority has decided to defer the commission­ valent work has been offered elsewhere in ing of its sixth unit at Collinsville until the State." 1978. At the same time, associated (2) "There has been no 'Royal transmission works will also be curtailed. Command'." As a result there will be, for the next couple of years, a significant reduction in (3) "Covered in Answers (1) and the design and construction activities (2) above." within the Northern Electric Authority. The Southern Electric Authority has indi­ cated it will need extra technical staff to undertake the post-Gladstone work. After TOILET FACILITIES, PALM ISLAND deep consideration and with the best inter­ JETTY AREA ests of its staff in mind the Northern Electric Authority has arranged for the Mr. Tucker, pursuant to notice, asked The secondment to the Southern ElectJic Auth­ Minister for Health,- ority of those members of its staff in As a number of my constituents who the Development Department who have visit relatives on Palm Island have com­ become available for this work. It is plained that there are no toilet facilities anticipated that they will be transferred in the vicinity of the island jetty and as to the new central authority when it comes this would appear to be a definite breach into being. These arrangements are based of health regulations, will steps be taken on discussions which have been held to have the appropriate authority provide between the State Electricity Commission, such facilities? the Southern Electric Authority, the Northern Electric Authority and the Capri­ cornia Regional Electricity Board. It is Answer:- possible that there may also be a similar "1 quote from an Answer to a similar secondment of staff to the Southern Elec­ Question by the Honourable Member for tric Authority from the State Electricity Tablelands on September 16, 1971, to the Commission and the Capricornia Regional Minister for Conservation when he advised Electricity Board. Secondment from the as follows:-'As new public toilets with two authorities would be based on the septic installations and shelter for passen­ need to rationalise some activities even gers are in close proximity to the existing before the formation of the central auth­ jetty at Palm Island, it is not considered ority in 1975. Staff in excess of the necessary to provide additional facilities on numbers available by secondment may have to be drawn from outside the industry the jetty itself." in Queensland. Since several employing bodies are involved, and pending a deter­ mination of the future structure of the industry, it is considered that transfer of ERADICATION OF CHINEE APPLE staff to the Southern Electric Authority AND RUBBER VINE by secondment is the correct procedure. Mr. Bird, pursuant to notice, asked The In this manner all existing rights and Minister for Lands,- entitlements of individuals will be pre­ served. In all cases it has been agreed ( 1) What progress has been made with ,that appointment of seconded staff to regard to investigations into the eradication positions will be based on merit, and of chinee apple and rubber vine? appropriate experience and on the recom­ mendation of a committee consisting of (2) Is there any provision for financial the Commissioner for Electricity Supply, assistance to be made available to land the Chairman of the Southern Electric owners who desire to embark upon their Authority, the Chairman of 'the Northern own campaign of eradicating these pests Electric Authority and .the Manager of which are ruining huge areas of valuable the Capricornia Regional Electricity Board. grazing land? 2820 Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

Answers:- is it anticipated that traffic congestion on ( 1) "Detailed investigation into the the Sydney Street-River Street inter­ chinee apple and rubber vine infestation section at the southern end of the bridge has been proceeding in North Queensland will reach the same stage as it was before for quite some time. The Lands Depart­ the six parking bays on the bridge were ment has had an agronomist stationed in built? Townsville for the express purpose of ( 4) Has the testing for foundations for investigating the rubber vine infestation the proposed new Rocleigh Bridge been and a good deal of progress has been made. completed? If so, when is it anticipated Those investigations are continuing and, that the bridge will be designed and con­ in addition, investigations into the bio­ struction commenced? logical control of the pest are proceeding overseas." Answers:- (2) "There is no provision for financial (!) "Two months' time.'' assistance to landholders to eradicate those pests." (2) "$456,711." ( 3) "There are no parking bays pro­ vided on the bridge." ( 4) "A preliminary geological report has FERTILISER SHORTAGES, SUGAR­ been completed for the Rocleigh Bridge GROWING AREAs and approaches. (Further foundation test­ Mr. Bird, pursuant to notice, asked The ing will be required when pier and abut­ Minister for Primary Industries,- ment positions are fixed). Design investi­ gations are in hand. It is presently planned ( 1) What were the causes of the fer­ for construction to start in the early part tiliser shortages which were experienced of 1976." throughout the sugar-growing areas of this State in the last two cane seasons? (2) Will every endeavour be made to have the fertiliser manufacturers and BAYSIDE AND CANNON HILL Bus distributors ensure that such shortages will ROUTES not occur in the future? Mr. Bromley, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Transport,- Answers:- ( 1) "The fertiliser shortages were the ( 1) Have there been any applications result of changing seasonal conditions and lodged on behalf of (a) Bayside buses and their effect on distribution arrangements (b) Cannon Hill buses for alterations to made by the fertiliser firms. Orders for their inward and outward routes, express fertilisers are taken early in the sugar or otherwise, as well as loading terminals season and shipments arranged accordingly. in the city and general stopping places in Changes in weather conditions can change the a.m. and p.m.? If so, what were the growers' requirements. Last year, there results of the applications? was a record usage of fertiliser and this (2) In view of complaints which I have caused some distribution difficulties. The received from people who have normally problem is one of distribution not of been passengers on these buses that production." schedules have been altered, will he have (2) "I am informed that additional the matter investigated so that people will storage facilities are being opened in the not continue to be inconvenienced? sugar growing areas to provide buffer stocks." Answers:- (!) "(a) and (b) Applications were received from both Bayside Bus Services FORGAN SMITH AND ROCLEIGH and the Bulimba-Gibson Island Bus Com­ pany Pty. Ltd. of Cannon Hill for slight BRIDGES, MACKAY alterations to their routes in the East Bris­ Mr. Casey, pursuant to notice, asked The bane area to comply with the traffic changes Minister for Mines,- made by the Brisbane City Council to cer­ (1) What is the anticipated date for the tain streets in that area. These applications completion of work currently being under­ were approved. An application was also taken on the Forgan Smith Bridge in received by the Commissioner for Trans­ Mackay? port from the Bulimba-Gibson Island Bus Company Pty. Ltd. on March 8, 1973, for (2) What is the anticipated total approval of certain operations in the expenditure on the bridge since work began Morningside area. This is under examina­ some two years ago until its completion? tion. I am advised that no approach in (3) In accordance with estimates on respect of loading terminals or stopping traffic flows across the bridge, as estab­ places has been received by the Com­ lished by the Mackay Regional Study, when missioner for Transport. However, as the Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2821

Honourable Member is undoubtedly aware that it was only necessary to do 45 operation the appointment of bus stops and standing flights yet he volunteered for a further 32 places is a matter which comes under the bombing raids against the enemy." jurisdiction of the Brisbane City Council, as the traffic authority in its area, other than for declared roads." ROAD TAX ON Bus TRANSPORT, INTER-CITY SPORTS (2) "Yes, if the Honourable Member Mr. Jensen, pursuant to notice, asked The will make details of these complaints avail­ Minister for Mines,- able to me I will have them investigated." Will he give consideration to lifting the road tax on bus transport for sporting FLOOD MITIGATION, lTHACA CREEK teams competing in inter-city matches? Mr. Miller, pursuant to notice, asked The Answer:- Treasurer,- "This is a matter which comes within Wnat is the present position with regard the portfolio of my colleague the Minister to the current surveys and investigations for Transport, to whom the Question into flood mitigation in the Brisbane area, should be addressed." with particular reference to Ithaca Creek?

Answer:- RENTAL HousES FOR PENSIONERS, BUNDABERG "! refer the Honourable Member to my Answer yesterday to a similar Question in Mr. Jensen, pursuant to notice, asked The the House." Minister for Works,- Sir GORDON CHALK: I am quite con­ Will he endeavour to purchase or erect fident that when the report is presented we additional houses for rental in Bundaberg will be able to obtain the co-operation of to accommodate needy pensioners with very the Brisbane City Council and the Federal large families who are living in over­ Government in doing something worth while. crowded and very unsatisfactory accom­ modation? Answer:- LEAVE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS TO ATTEND "Tenders are scheduled to be called PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS; very shortly for 10 commission houses in MR. H. WRIGHT addition to the three houses now under Mr. K. J. Hooper, pursuant to notice, construction." asked the Premier,-

With reference to his Answer to my SuBSIDY TO Q.A.T.B. CENTRES Question on March 7 that Mr. Harold Wright had not been granted leave to attend Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice, asked demonstrations, was Mr. Wright absent The Minister for Health,- without leave while attending demonstra­ ( 1) Has any increase been considered tions? If so, what action was taken against in the Government subsidy to Q.A.T.B. him by the Department? centres? If so, to what extent and when will it take effect? Answer:- (2) What is the present subsidy and "Mr. Wright has not been absent without when was it introduced? leave. Let me also add for the informa­ (3) If no increase is anticipated, will he tion of A.L.P. Members opposite who are consider making an investigation into the attempting to brand Mr. Wright as a need for a rise in subsidy? fascist, that he was a highly decorated member of the R.A.A.F. in World War II Answer:- having received the D.F.C. and Bar and the D.F.M." ( 1 to 3) "Increases of up to 50 per cent. in subsidy on endowable collections Mr. K. J. Hooper: Hitler won the Iron of Queensland Ambulance Transport Cross in World War I. Brigade Committees were approved as from July 1, 1972. Full details of such increases Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I think it ill are set out in the Financial Statement of becomes any member of this House to the Honourable the Treasurer presented in speak so disparagingly of a man w1th such a this House on September 28, 1972." fine record in the defence of his country. The honourable member should be downright ashamed of himself. REPLACEMENT VESSEL, "MELBIDIR" Answer (contd): Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice, asked "He took part in 77 bombing raids over The Minister for Conservation,- Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. He was (! ) When will he take delivery of the with the pathfinders. I might also point out new "Melbidir"? 2822 Questions Upon Notice (9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

(2) Will it be used for any specific Answer:- purpose which could improve the com­ ( 1 to 4) "The survey being done by munication between Island residents and Rankine and Hill in the Fitzroy Region Thursday Island? has been commissioned by the Australian (3) Has the crew been chosen and, if Government. Accordingly I am unable so, were they drawn from the old to supply the information requested, since "Melbidir"? officers of my Government are only assist­ ing in the supply of information, without which I might add the survey would be Answers:- unsuccessful." ( 1) "It is expected the new 'Melbidir' will be launched towards the end of ,this month and I am informed by the con­ RAILWAY TRACK, BALLAST AND tractors that following satisfactory trials, it could be ready for commissioning about SLEEPERS the third week in April." Mr. Y ewdale, pursuant to notice, asked (2) "This vessel is replacing the present The Minister for Transport,- unit and will perform similar duty. How­ ( 1) What is the total mileage of con­ ever, its design and speed will promote tinuous welded rail in the Queensland greater efficiency with the result that railway system? communication between Islands and (2) What is the greatest length of rails Thursday Island will be improved." welded together and on what lines are (3) "As indicated in reply to a Ques­ they used? tion from the Honourable Member on (3) Are ballast quantities per mile September 5, 1972, the crew of the present required for track laid with c.w.r. 'Melbidir' will have opportunity of posi­ greater than the quantities required for tions on the new vessel." track laid with 40-foot rails as formerly? ( 4) Has it been found necessary, when laying railway track with c.w.r., to use ELECTRICITY SUPPLY, EDWARD RIVER sleepers 7' x 6" x 9" instead of 7' x ABORIGINAL COMMUNITY 41" x 9" as were formerly used? Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice, asked (5) What price per cubic yard is paid The Minister for Local Government,- for metal ballast? ( 6) What price Is paid for sleepers of ( 1) As an electricity supply would each of the above sizes? greatly improve the living conditions at Edward River, when is it expected that Answers:- a suitable generator will be installed? (!) "2,119 ." (2) Will he also give the assurance that sufficient power will be available to supply (2) "800 feet. Welded rails are used all homes and allow the use of all normal on parts of the Moura railway and on appliances? parts of the sections between Northgate and Sandgate and Petrie and Narangba." Answer:- (3) "Yes." (4) "No." (! and 2) "This Question should be directed to my colleague, The Honourable (5) "The price per cubic yard of ballast the Minister for Conservation, Marine and varies with the location of source of Aboriginal Affairs." supply and the quantity ordered. Recent prices have ranged from $1.95 to $4.22 per cubic yard." (6) "9" x 6" x 7' 0", $4.28 each. STUDY OF FITZROY REGION BY RANKINE 9" x 4-t" x 7' 0", $2.05 each for grade AND HILL 1, $1.60 each for grade 2." Mr. Yewdale, pursuant to notice, asked The Premier,- DISTRICT PoLICE INSPECTOR, (!) Is there a regional study being TOOWOOMBA conducted for the Government in Queens­ land by Rankine and Hill? If so, what Mr. Bousen, pursuant to notice, asked are the terms of reference of the study? The Minister for Works,- (2) Will other experts be allowed or (1) Following the recent appointment of asked to make submissions? a Brisbane police officer to the position of District Inspector, Toowoomba, is it (3) Will all the findings be published? normal practice when such appointments ( 4) Have Commonwealth officers from are made for the appointee to take up four areas of the Urban and Regional duty before his predecessor leaves the Development Department been invited to district and vacates the departmental co-operate? house? • "'-~ Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2823

( 2) If this is not normal practice, why (3) What provisions were made by the was the officer who was recently appointed Department by way of retention moneys as District Inspector, Toowoomba, sent or any other provision to guarantee the to take up duty before the resident wages of employees of Blastright (Q'ld) Inspector left to take up his new appoint­ Pty. Ltd.? ment and vacated the departmental house? ( 4) What is the present position of emjlloyees and sub-contractors and their Answer:- employees in regard to reimbursement ( 1 and 2) "The position prevailing in from funds held by the Department in the Toowoomba district at the material relation to the contract? time was unusual in that the inspector there who was on re-assignment had Answers:- become ill and had been granted 28 days (1) "The offer by Blastright (Queens­ sick leave with the possibility of further land) Pty. Ltd. to construct a breakwater sick leave. In the circumstances and at the Urangan Boat Harbour in accord­ having in mind the effective policing of ance with the specification prepared by the district, the incoming Inspector moved the Department of Harbours and Marine to his new assignment. Normally the was accepted by the Department by letter position is that re-assignments are dated September 22, 1972. The accept­ co-ordinated but on this occasion this was ance was subject to the condition that not possible because of the illness of one the company lodge a security deposit of of the officers." $3,235.44 in the Department's name by return mail. This condition was met on September 25, 1972, in the form of a DEPU1Y PRINCIPAL, TooWOOMBA fixed deposit in the Department's name TECHNICAL COLLEGE with the AN .Z. Bank Ltd., Brunswick Street, Fortitude Valley." Mr. Bousen, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Education,- (2) "Representatives of the company were interviewed by officers of my Depart­ ls he aware that a vacancy for a deputy ment of Harbours and Marine when it principal at the Toowoomba Technical was established that the company possessed College has existed for some months? If the necessary technical ability to carry out so, will he arrange for this vacancy to be the work. The bankers for the company filled at an early date? were approached by the Department and they confirmed that the company was Answer:- financially sound and in their opinion capable of carrying out the contract on "An appointment was made to the the projected progress payments that would position of Deputy Principal of the Too­ be received." woomba Technical College in November, 1972. However, the appointee has been (3) "Before progress payments under performing higher duties whilst acting in the contract were made, the contractor was a position which is now being advertised. required to submit a Statutory Decla:at~on During the interim period, an officer of before a Justice of the Peace cert1fymg the Toowoomba Technical College has that the wages and claims of workmen been acting Deputy Principal. An appoint­ employed on the works had been paid in ment will be made to the vacant position full up to the date covered by the pro­ at an early date which will enable the gress payment. Such Statutory Declara­ appointed Deputy Principal to be released tions were received and I understand that to take up his position in Toowoomba." outstanding wages are only for the period between the last progress payment and the time the company ceased operations. URANGAN BOAT HARBOUR; BLAST­ The last Statutory Declaration covers the RIGHT (QUEENSLAND) PTY. LTD. period up to and including November 29, 1972." Mr. Blake, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Conservation,- (4) "Under the contract employees and sub-contractors have no claim on funds (1) Did Blastright (Q'ld) Pty. Ltd., held by the Department of Harbours and contractor to the Department of Harbours Marine in relation to the Urangan Boat and Marine, have a signed contract with Harbour Wall contract." the Department at the time of cessation of its construction operations at the Urangan Boat Harbour due to financial difficulties? SITE OF NEW MAJOR POWER STATION (2) What required procedures were Mr. Marginson, pursuant to notice, asked carried out by the Department to estab­ The Minister for Local Government,- lish the creditableness or otherwise of (!) Is he aware that the Minister for Blastright in relation to the harbour-wall Mines visited Ipswich on February 11 contract? and is reported as having addressed a 2824 Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973) Questions Upon Notice

Country Party meeting, using such terms North Queensland. I am informed by as "Ipswich is a rapidly growing City. the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Housing development is rapidly covering Queensland that amendments to its draft many of the mine fields in the area. These rules are being prepared by the University. are things we have to look at. We have However, completion of the revision has to decide which is more important, hous­ been deferred as the University has been ing, urban development or industrial invited by the Board of Secondary School growth."? Studies to consider different proposals for (2) In view of these statements, will matriculation." he assure me that the case for the estab­ Paper.-Whereupon Sir Alan Fletcher laid lishment of the power-house at Ipswich upon the Table of the House a copy has not been rejected and is still under of the rules referred to. consideration?

Answer:- REMOTE-AREA ALLOWANCES FOR "The case for the establishment of a SCHOOL CHILDREN power station in the Ipswich area has Mr. P. Wood, pursuant to notice, asked not been rejected and is still under con­ The Minister for Education,- sideration by the State Electricity Com­ mission along with others. While four ( I) When will the allowances for iso­ lated children which were announced sites are being subjected to an environ­ recently by the Commonwealth Minister, mental study this does not necessarily mean that the power station will be at one Mr. Beazley, come into effect? of these sites. I reiterate that no one (2) What amount was paid by the State yet knows where the power station will Government for remote-area allowances be except "somewhere in Queensland." I in the last year for which figures are again assure the House that it will be available? built where it will give the cheapest pos­ (3) When will these payments cease? sible electricity with the least possible distmbance to the environment." Answers:- ( 1) "The Commonwealth program for LIBRARY, HARRISTOWN STATE SCHOOL assistance to isolated children is to operate from the beginning of 1973. It is under­ Mr. P. Wood, pursuant to notice, asked stood that application forms are presently The Minister for Works,- being prepared." What is the estimated cost of the pro­ posed library at the Harristown State (2) "In the 1971-72 financial year, the School and when is it estimated that con­ expenditure by the State on remote area struction work will begin? allowances amounted to some $621,500." (3) "Cabinet has decided to discontinue Answer:- the payment of State remote area allow­ "Tenders will be invited for ,this work ances from the beginning of 1973 and will at an early date with a view to commence­ consider other schemes of student assist­ ment of construction in June, 1973, sub­ ance with the funds to be saved." ject to receipt of a satisfactory tender. As competitive tendering is involved the Honourable Member will appreciate that BoMBING OF WHISKY Au-Go-Go NIGHT it would not be prudent for the estimate of cost to be divulged." CLUB AND WARNING TO CRIME INTELLIGENCE UNIT (a) Mr. N. F. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Works,- MATRICULATION REQUIREMENTS, QUEENSLAND UNIVERSITY AND Was the Crime Intelligence Unit warned JAMBS COOK UNIVERSITY six weeks ago that the bombing of restaurants and night-clubs was to take Mr. P. Wood, pursuant to notice, asked place in this State and that after the Torino The Minister for Education,- club had been bombed Whisky Au-Go-Go What are the full details of the matricu­ would be the next? lation requirements of the University of Queensland and the James Cook Uni­ Answer:­ versity of North Queensland, for students entering in 1974? "No." Answer:- (b) Mr. Tucker, pursuant to notice, asked "I table a copy of draft matriculation The Minister for Works,- rules of the University of Queensland Were the police warned on March 7 that dated January, 1972, and the matriculation the dastardly crime perpetrated on March 8 rules of the James Cook University of would be carried out at that particular Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2825

spot? If so, what action was taken by of passengers travelling and update the Police to protect the building, patrons and figures to the most recent date for which workers at the club and why were the figures are available? criminal or criminals responsible so horribly successful? Answer:- Answer:- "Passenger journeys-Year ended June "No." 30, 1972, 64,271; July, 1972 to January, 1973, 43,217."

SouTHERN CRIMINALS oN GoLD CoAST Mr. N. F. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Works,- EFFECT OF DAYLIGHT SAVING ON INTERSTATE TRAIN TIME-TABLES Did the Crime Intelligence Unit inform him and the Commissioner of Police that Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked 250 well-known southern criminals were The Minister for Transport,- living at or going to and from the Gold Further to his Answer to my Question Coast? If so, what action was taken on September 7, 1972, concerning the dis­ on the report? rupting effect of daylight saving on Answer:- departure times from South Brisbane for interstate travel, how many complaints "No." were received from passengers who failed to catch their train departing one hour Mr. N. F. JONES: Mr. Speaker, I notice ahead of schedule and in each instance that the next question, standing in my name, how many (a) applications for refunds has been amended. were received and (b) payments were made? Mr. SPEAKER: That is quite in order. The clerks at the table have the right to edit Answer:- any question. " In addition to a State-wide Press advertisement coverage on October 25, ALLEGED RACKETEERING IN ISSUE OF 1972, or nearest date subsequent thereto, DRTVERS' LICENCES use was made of four radio stations, 4KQ, 4BC, 4IP and 4BK to advertise the earlier Mr. N. F. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked times of departure of the interstate trains The Minister for Works,- from South Brisbane occasioned by day­ Further to his Answers to my Questions light saving in Southern States. Wherever on August 29, September 20 and November possible the Railway Department contacted 22, 1972, concerning an article in the passengers who had booked accommoda­ Sunday Sun and a Crown Law Office tion and advised them of the earlier times report alleging racketeering in the issue of departure of the interstate trains. In of drivers' licences, have the court pro­ addition to the foregoing advice, tourist ceedings now been finalised? If so, will bureaux and travel agents were informed, he supply full details of the report to and railway staff, including conductors on Parliament? Queensland trains, were instructed to check the departure times shown on interstate Answer:- tickets held by passengers. While there "Advice from the Crown Law Office was undoubtedly were some complaints, the to the effect that there was a prima facie number which were made could not be case of conspiracy for the preferment of accurately determined. However, the a charge against Felix Creswick and applications for refunds in Brisbane William Vincent Mulroney. They were attributable to the earlier departure of the charged accordingly. On December 12, trains involved 13 passengers for a total of 1972 and following submissions by counsel, $242.22." Mr. Martin, Stipendiary Magistrate, ruled that Creswick and Mulroney did not have Mr. R. JONES: In the second line of a case to answer and discharged both of paragraph 3 of the next question, standing in them." my name--- Mr. SPEAKER: Order! It is not in order to debate questions. RAIL-MOTOR SERVICE, CAIRNS-KURANDA Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked Mr. R. JONES: It is obviously a printing The Minister for Transport,- error, but it is rather important to the ques~ion. It reads "July, 1969" whereas it Further to his Answers to my Questions should be "July, 1968". on October 24, 1967 and October 12, 1971, concerning passenger journeys from Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: The answer Cairns to Kuranda, will he list the number will solve the whole problem. 2826 Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

LOSS OF MONEY IN TRANSIT FROM officers to discuss with departmental BADU ISLAND officers a major proposal for the future Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked development of kitchen facilities to serve The Premier,- the whole of the Royal Brisbane Hospital complex." ( 1) Further to my Question of Septem­ ber 22, 1966, concerning the loss of (2 and 3) "No. The matter of necessary moneys in transit from Badu Island to repairs to kitchen facilities would be a Thursday Island, have the moneys yet matter for consideration of the North Bris­ been located and, if not, what did police bane Hospitals Board and I am advised enquiries disclose? that the board has accepted a tender for (2) Was Mr. Benjamin Nona the repairs to flooring in the kitchen of the skipper of the lugger on which the missing Royal Brisbane Hospital and that it is $17,000 was transferred? hoped that the contractor will commence work in the next week." (3) Was Benjamin Nona convicted in July, 1968 and fined $40 in default one ( 4) "No. I shall however seek advice month's gaol, on another charge of stealing from the North Brisbane Hospitals Board." a total of $2,316.43 in company, as a servant? ( 4) In each instance, is this the same RECLAMATION OF BoGGY CREEK, Ben Nona who was the Democratic Labor BRISBANE RIVER Party candidate in the 1972 State Elections Mr. Burns, pursuant to notice, asked The and who has received endorsement from Minister for Conservation,- the D.L.P. as a candidate for Cook in ( 1) Has a decision been made to the 1975 State General Elections? reclaim Boggy Creek, which drains into the Brisbane River, by the use of dredge Answer:- spoil? If so, what arrangement has been ( 1 to 4) "There have been no further made to provide alternative drainage in developments since the Answer given to this area? the Honourable Member for Cairns on October 31, 1968." (2) Has the Department of Harbours and Marine advised the Brisbane Airport Advisory Committee that 10 million cubic yards of sand for reclamation will be FOOD-DELIVERY SERVICES, BRISBANE available from Moreton Bay? HOSPITALS Mr. Burns, pursuant to notice, asked The (3) From what areas of the bay will Minister for Health,- the sand be pumped? ( 1) When will a report by departmental officers on the October, 1972 inspection of Answers:­ food-delivery services in southern hospitals (1) "No." be available? (2) "The Commonwealth Departments (2) Is he aware that the North Bris­ of Works and Civil Aviation have requested bane Hospitals Board is awaiting this approval to remove 10 million cubic yards report before undertaking much-needed of sand for airport reclamation from repairs to kitchens? Moreton Bay. This request has not yet been approved; however, the Common­ (3) What action will be taken to wealth Departments have been authorised resurface the floor and overcome the to carry out investigations into the avail­ problem of water from the Royal Bris­ ability and the quality of sand in various bane Hospital kitchen penetrating the areas of the bay." Micro X-ray Department? (3) "From investigations conducted it ( 4) Is he aware of a requisition for the seems the area of the middle banks is renovation of the Royal Children's Hos­ the source of the best class of material pital kitchen, in which it is stated that suited for airport construction." the present kitchen is shabby, hot, diffi­ cult to keep clean, and at times rat­ infested? CHANGES IN LEGAL AssiSTANCE Answers:- ScHEME (1) "A joint inspection of food proces­ Mr. Wright, pursuant to notice, asked The sing installations in hospitals in other States Minister for Justice,- was carried out in October 1972 by (1) Will he publicly outline and clarify departmental officers and officers of the the changes which have been made to the North Brisbane Hospitals Board. Following legal aid or legal assistance scheme in on such inspection the North Brisbane Queensland, with specific reference to the Hospitals Board has authorised board income and assets now allowable? Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 2827

(2) Will he also clarify the role of the MEAT PRICES Public Curator's Office in giving free legal Mr. Leese, pursuant to notice, asked The advice to citizens who request it? Premier,- ( 1) Is he aware that for many families Answers:- in Queensland meat is being priced away (1 ) "Yes. This has been done on a from their tables and that they are being number of occasions and I will do so charged more for most cuts of meat than again." in any other State? (2) What steps is his Government taking (2) "Yes." to ensure that the high price which export meat can demand is not going to con­ tinue to price meat out of the reach of Queensland families? REPORT OF CONSUMER AFFAIRS CouNCIL, BREAD INDUSTRY Answer:- (! and 2) "As a result of long periods Mr. Wright, pursuant to notice, asked The of continued drought throughout Queens­ Minister for Justice,- land, the numbers of cattle have been ( 1) What action is intended in view greatly depleted. This, together with the of the findings and recommendations of increased export demand, has caused the the Consumer Affairs Council contained price of meat to rise. I am confident that, in the recent report of the Council's with improved seasons and more cattle, the investigations into the bread industry in position will stabilise itself." major cities of this State? (2) Is he aware of the concern that has been expressed by unions, consumer EsTABLISHMENT oF WooL-scouRING organisations and the public generally over AND CARBONISING WORKS, WESTERN the cost and wastage of bread in Brisbane? QUEENSLAND (3) What steps will be taken to stabilise Mr. Aiken, pursuant to notice, asked The the price of bread and to prevent the Premier,- shocking and unwarranted waste? ( 1) Is he aware that in Answer to Questions which I asked on August 8, Answer:- 1972, concerning the establishment of inland wool scours and processing works, ( 1 to 3) "Yes, I am aware of the the information given was incorrect? concern expressed by consumer organisa­ tions and the community. It is not (2) When quoting the findings of the understood as to what the Honourable Australian Wool Board Advisory Com­ Member means by action to stabilise the mittee regarding a wool-processing plant price of bread to prevent wastage, as over­ at Walgett, New South Wales, and its non­ production seems to be concerned with viability, was he aware that the Advisory servicing the market. Nevertheless, an Board's findings only pertained to a car­ expression of views is invited from inter­ bonising works? ested consumer bodies in the community ( 3) Is he now aware that the Advisory as well as from retailers and manufacturers Board has amended its findings and that on this subject. When I have these views his Answers to my Questions were dra­ there will be further announcements." matically wrong? ( 4) Is he now prepared to re-examine the economic advantages and the employ­ ment possibilities which could be obtained PRE-SCHOOL CLASSES, EDGE HILL from the establishment of inland wool­ SCHOOL, CAIRNS processing works? Mr. B. Wood, pursuant to notice, asked (5) Is he fully conversant with the The Minister for Education,- Nyngan Wool Scheme and has his Govern­ ment fully investigated the prospects of When will pre-school classes commence the economic success of this scheme, at Edge Hill School, Cairns, and in what particularly if it were applied to the building will the classes be housed? recommended areas of Queensland?

Answer:- Answers:- "The Edge Hill State Pre-School Centre ( 1) "I can assure the Honourable is planned to be completed during third Member that the information given was term, 1973. Classes will commence as correct." soon as is practicable after the completion (2) "The Honourable Member's Question of the centre. Classes will be housed in a referred to the possibility of establishing new double unit building complex." wool scouring and carbonising works in 2828 Questions Upon Notice [9 MARCH 1973) Questions Upon Notice

Western Queensland, the operation of the Answers:- Blackall wool scour and the possibility of establishing a top-making or partially­ ( I) "Presumably the member is referring processing wool treatment works at to health threats due to salmonella. If Blackall. In my reply I quoted directly so these would depend in the first instance from the report of a sub-committee of the on whether the animals concerned are Australian Wool Board Advisory Com­ infected and the duration of travel, i.e., mittee which looked into a proposal for whether the organisms had sufficient time the establishment of a plant at Walgett. to build up in numbers. Stock have been That report was the only one available handled and travelled to slaughter for many at the time and referred to partial pro­ years in much the same way as is done cessing in the form of scouring and today. Salmonella when present must be carbonising." regarded as a potential hazard but there is no reason to suggest that the situation (3) "I am not aware of any major change in regard to them has changed except in in the Australian Wool Board Advisory terms of the greater number of stock being Committee approach. However, the whole handled and therefore the possibility of question of wool marketing methods is greater numbers of organisms being present under continuing review and as in any other in the environment. The important point marketing field, the position can change is that we are more aware of their likely from time to time." presence and therefore can take steps to deal with them." (4) "No. The matter is basically one for the wool industry itself. An Aus­ (2) "Yes, and for this reason greater tralian Wool Marketing Authority has attention is nowadays being paid to been set up and I consider that that body hygienic dressing procedures so that con­ is the most appropriate to investigate and tamination of carcasses is minimised and make recommendations on matters pertain­ any risk of infection to employees is also ing to wool marketing." obviated as far as possible." (5) "Yes. The Nyngan scheme has been (3) "I am not sure of the context in studied by officers of the Department of which the word 'susceptibility' is used in Primary Industries. However, as indicated the Question. As indicated in my Answer in Answer to (4), the matter is basically to the first Question it is believed that one for the Australian Wool Marketing salmonella have long been present in the Authority." situation mentioned. I am not aware of a build up of other potential pathogenic organisms in this situation." HEALTH RISKS IN HANDLING (4) "Hygiene procedures in relation to CONTAMINATED STOCK AND slaughtering and dressing are constantly MEATS being improved upon to minimise possible Mr. Aiken, pursuant to notice, asked The danger from the organisms referred to as Minister for Primary Industries,- are also abattoir structures." (1) What health threats are posed in the (5) "The effect on the export trade of handling of livestock by train, by road meats and the tolerance allowed in relation transports, in sale yards and in the forcing­ to salmonella in export meats are matters up pens of slaughter-houses, whereby the for the Commonwealth Department of possibly heavily-contaminated droppings Primary Industry." from infected stock can provide a reservoir of infection? (2) Could hides and fleeces be thus con­ taminated and could a source of infection ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION OF CATTLE result from handling the carcase during the skinning process? Mr. Aiken, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Primary Industries,- (3) Has salmonella had a build-up of susceptibility because of the points men­ ( 1) What success can be attributed to tioned and what other known bacterial herd improvement by artificial insemina­ agents are suspected to be the result of tion methods of breeding, when only present handling and slaughtering con­ about 15 per cent. of the breeders of ditions? this State have been treated in this fashion? ( 4) What considerations have been given to obviating the lurking organisms (2) As bulls are usually put to work at which are dangerous through contamina­ about 18 months and semen collected at tion and what effect has this on the export this age, is it not possible that, without trade of meat? progeny testing, many undesirable features could be foolishly introduced into Queens­ (5) What is the tolerance of salmonella land's cattle by indiscriminate A.I. allowed in export meats? methods? Questions Without Notice [9 MARCH 1973] Questions Without Notice 2829

(3) Could unscrupulous vendors of A.I. question and, according to their recommenda­ have cashed in on a lucrative market for tions, certain action along these lines would exotic breeds without the just considera­ be considered by Cabinet, and no doubt tion of the harmful effects that could be taken. I have no further advice in this made to Queensland's cattle standards? context at the moment. Answers:- Mr. BROMLEY: I direct a supplementary question to the Premier. I did not realise (!) "The A.I. programme has been most that a similar question was asked yesterday, successful in proving dairy bulls and in but I am concerned in that if these night improving the genetic strains of Queens­ clubs continue operating over 1the week-end land's dairy herds. In the beef industry, something similar could happen. That is because of disease quarantine requirements, why I asked for their immediate closure. the only way new breeds can be introduced into Australia is by A.l. which is also Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I assure the used to promote the wider use of established honourable member that the Government and and well known bulls." the Ministers concerned are looking at this (2) "No. Progeny testing, which is the matter closely and ,treating it very seriously. standard method of selection of dairy The Ministers in question are having further sires, screens out any undesirable features. talks about it after question time this In order to get a progeny test as early as morning. possible semen is collected for this purpose at an early age. Beef bulls used in A.I. BOMBING OF WHISKY Au-Go-Go NIGHT CLUB to breed beef cows are sires which have been proven in private herds to be capable Mr. TUCKER: I ask the Minister for of breed improvement." Works and Housing: Is it a fact that police now believe that at least two men were (3) "To the best of my knowledge there responsible for the terrible holocaust which have been no harmful effects from the claimed 15 lives at the Whisky Au-Go-Go breeds introduced by A.l., and the Com­ night club in the early hours of yesterday monwealth Quarantine Service has gone to morning? great lengths to guard against any such happening." Mr. HODGES: At ,the moment, quite a number of people are under suspicion. The police are still carrying out extensive REQUESTS TO LICENSING COMMISSION investigations. FOR LOCAL OPTION POLLS Mr. Wright, pursuant to notice, asked The BORDER, AUSTRALIA-PAPUA NEW GUINEA; Minister for Justice,- PETITION OF TORRES STRAIT ISLANDERS Have any requests been made to his Mr. ALISON: I ask the Premier: In view office or to the Licensing Commission to of the claim by the Leader of the Opposition abolish local option polls for (a) the that the petition compiled by the Torres removal of liquor licences outside neigh­ Strait Islanders is fraudulent and his bourhoods as defined in the Act or (b) for accusation of dishonest practices by the Torres new licences? If so, who or what bodies Strait Islanders, will he assure the Torres have made such requests? Strait Islanders that, although they have been abandoned by both the Federal Government Answer:- and the State A.L.P., the State Government "! have received several suggestions for firmly supports their claim to remain the abolition or retention of local option Queenslanders and Australians, and utterly polls. I don't think it is necessary for me rejects the shocking claims by the Leader of to reveal the sources of the representations." the Opposition? Mr. HOUSTON: Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of order. There is a motion before QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE the House on 1this matter. I have given FIRE-ESCAPE FACILITIES IN NIGHT CLUBS notice of disagreement with your ruling. Mr. BROMLEY: I ask the Premier: Will Mr. SPEAKER: Order! he order the closure of all licensed Brisbane night clubs until they have been thoroughly Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: On Tuesday inspected for adequate fire precautions, fire last, Opposition members did everything in escapes, etc., and successful progress has their power and used every means at their been made towards the apprehension of the disposal to disfranchise certain people on criminal or criminals involved in the tragedy the Torres Strait islands. They did this in at the Whisky Au-Go-Go Night Club? support of the attitude of the Federal Government. What disturbs me greatly is Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: In my answer that since that debate and since the vote on to a similar question yesterday, I said that it was taken, members of the Opposition are police and officials from the various still determined to disfranchise these people departments were looking into this whole so that the Commonwealth Government can 91 2830 Holiday (24th April) Bill [9 MARCH 1973] Children's Services, &c., Bill have a free hand in giving them to another NEW SOUTH WALES ACTS (TERMINA­ nation by moving the border down to the TION OF APPLICATION) BILL 1Oth parallel of latitude. THIRD READING Whether one or two names on the petition Bill, on motion of Mr. Knox, read a third -or even a dozen names-might not be time. quite in order does not alter the fact that the preparation of the petition was carried CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT out by the leaders of the Islanders concerned. AMENDMENT BILL They are responsible men. All the people on the islands, not only those who have a vote, INITIATION IN COMMITTEE-RESUMPTION OF were approached. All these people have a DEBATE say. They all have their rights. The people (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Lickiss, concerned carried out a very responsible duty Mt. Coot-tha, in the chair) in this regard. We accept the petition, Debate resumed from 8 March (see p. regardless of the number of names it con­ 2812) on Mr. Herbert's motion- tains. "That a Bill be introduced to amend In reply to the question asked by the the Children's Services Act 1965-1971 in honourable member for Maryborough, I can certain particulars." assure him that we will never falter in our determination to stand by these people, and Mr. JENSEN (Bundaberg) (12.21 p.m.): In we will never fail to oppose what the introducing the proposed Bill, the Minister Opposition in this House and the Federal mentioned the increase in juvenile crime Government are trying to do to this very and gave as one of the reasons for it the fine race of people. break-up of families. I think that what might be called our way of life, or our "permissive society", is the root of this EVACUATION LIGHTING AND FIRE PRECAUTIONS, present evil. HIGH-RISE HOSPITALS, BRISBANE The galloping increase in juvenile crime Mr. BURNS: I ask the Minister for Health: will continue unless we treat the cause rather than the effects of our way of life. As so many people panicked in the dark in Governments have opened up drinking, the disastrous fire in Brisbane yesterday gambJ,ing and amusement laws too fast for morning, and as firemen switch off the many who are not sufficiently educated to electricity supply as soon as they reach the cope with the increase in permissiveness. My scene of a fire, will the Minister report to colleagues have mentioned some of the things the House on the type of evacuation lighting that are needed, such as community centres and fire precautions in high-rise hospitals in to assist in providing facilities a,fter school the Brisbane area, and table a report as hours for children of working mothers. Wel­ soon as possible covering the Royal Brisbane fare officers, psychologists and psychiatrists Women's Hospital, the Royal Brisbane must be provided to help cure some of the Hospital, the Royal Children's Hospital and effects of the permissive society in which the Princess Alexandra Hospital? we live. One or two generations ago specialists such as these were virtually Mr. TOOTH: The matters raised by the unheard of; today they are a necessity. ho~ourable member are continually under The Minister spoke about recalcitrant revrew by the responsible hospital boards. I children, but he did not tell us anything suggest that he apply to the source of the about the cause of this recalcitrance other very detailed information he obviously has than probable trouble in home life. I believe regarding documents that are placed before that some of this recalcitrance is due to the North Brisbane Hospitals Board. He children being kept at school till they are should apply to that source for any informa­ 15 or 16 years of age when they have no tion he requires. interest in schooling. Principals of schools have had to cope w,ith recalcitrant children who wanted to leave and whose parents HOLIDAY (TWENTY-FOURTH DAY OF wanted them to leave, either to go to work APRIL) BILL or to stay at home and help the mother. Principals could not allow these children INITIATION to leave, and the parents could not under­ Hon. F. A. CAMPBELL (Aspley-Minister stand why the children had to remain at for Development and Industrial Affairs): I school when they could not see any £uture move- in their doing so. "That the House will, at its present I agree with other honourable members sitting, resolve itself into a Committee of who have said that trades should be taught the Whole to consider introducing a Bill to give children an interest in life and a to make provision for a public holiday on new outlook on it. Even if such courses the twenty-fourth day of April, one do not lead to their registration as trades­ thousand nine hundred and seventy-three." men, they will at least make the children more intelligent labourers or tradesmen's Motion agreed to. assistants. In addition, this tuition will Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2831 help children to realise that a vocatJon is Mr. JENSEN: I do not care what is going open to them if they have a sincere interest on in the honourable member's electorate. in a trade. It will also make them better No doubt things would be worse than ever parents of their children, because they will in his country electorate. Small children of have some ability to carry out maintenance 5 and 6 years ride bicycles to school. Some and improvements of their own homes. have only one hand on the handlebars and However, I stress again that we must look wobble across the road in front of traffic. at the cause and try to prevent the effects If motorists did not watch them carefully, of the present permissive society. Wholesale there would be more accidents. It is very relaxation of gambling, drinking and amuse­ desirable that the police explain to children ment laws before people are able to cope the dangers of riding two or three abreast, with the situation is one cause of the and make sure that they know their traffic problem. There are very few moving pictures signals. Many children completely disregard today that are suitable for children; con­ traffic laws, but they are young and inexperi­ sequently, children gather in fun parlours, enced and, very often, it is not their fault. and so on. The CHAIRMAN: Order! I have allowed In my opinion, children are not taught to the honourable member a fairly wide dis­ respect the police and law and order. cussion on the principles of the Act and the Mr. Gunn: They get too much money Bill. However, I think he is ranging a little to spend. too far, and I ask him to return to the general principles of the Children's Services Mr. JENSEN: That may be so. That is Act and those of the Bill. part of the permissive society. However, that is only one reason. If we want to live in Mr. JENSEN: I think the Minister referred a permissive society, we must accept the to these matters yesterday. He spoke about effects; but we must look for some of the increase in the crime rate. I am trying the causes of the problems that arise. to emphasise the cause, not the effects. I All police should be trained in welfare will explain it a little further. work with children. If offic.ers of the Police Force visited each school once a month and Mr. Wright: Didn't the Minister stress talked to the children about the laws of the lowering of moral standards, which is the State and about juvenile crime, I think what you were talking about? that would assist in making children under­ Mr. JENSEN: I did not hear everything stand why they should respect the po1ice and he said, but he did refer to the breakdown the laws. in family life and the morals of our society. Many young children think it is clever to I am talking about the present permissiveness disregard lights at pedestrian crossings. This and how it could be corrected. I want the happens particularly in country centres. Hon­ causes to be looked at. In industry, say, ourable members may not see much of that a sugar mill, a squeak is not disregarded. type of behaviour here, other than in the Efforts are made to correct whatever is suburbs. I have seen children deliberately wrong before a bearing seizes and the mill cross the road in front of oncoming vehicles. has to be closed possibly for two days. They think it is smart to hold motorists up. Efforts are made to correct the cause rather Little do they realise that one day they than the effect. A miller does not want to could be an accident statistic if they continue close down for two days so that a bearing that practice. They do not realise that the can be replaced. driver of a motor vehicle travelling at 35 miles an hour may not be able to stop it The same principle applies in today's quickly enough to avoid hitting them. society. The Minister spoke about a gallop­ ing increase in the crime rate amongst young They are not instructed in the dangers, children. He endeavoured to tell us why this and they merely laugh at the motorists. If is occurring. He did not say enough about police officers were stationed at pedestrian improving the situation by spending more crossings, they could warn the children about money on the causes rather than the effects. the likelihood of their becoming an accident We are spending a fortune on psychologists, statistic. Such warnings should be given every psychiatrists and social workers to cure the now and again. Suitable instruction should effects, but we do not spend enough on the be provided in the schools. Children should training of police officers who could give be taught to have respect for law and order. instruction to children in schools. At times I have put my head out of the car window and said to the children, "Why don't Young children should be instructed in you obey the law?" Very often their only law and order and they should be taught response is a rude gesture. That is the sort to respect the police. I had to respect the of cheek a person gets from recalcitrant police in my day, and I have always respected children. them. The Police Minister is talking about issuing police officers with guns. Probably Many children ride bicycles to school, he will think about issuing them with big particularly in country areas. Very often they boots to deal with the louts. I claim that will ride two or three abreast with complete it is the correction and explanation of small disregard for the traffic laws. things that lead to the prevention of more Mr. Gunn: Not in my electorate. serious disrespect as children grow older. I 2832 Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill think this aspect should be looked at. Good work being done by this department and its personal approach and explanation will lead officers. I have recently had some occasion to increased respect. for personal involvement with the depart­ Children should be told each month about ment in a phase of its work, and I am happy the number of accidents that have happened to say that these people do a very good job to children through disregarding the law. It in very difficult circumstances and are to be should be pointed out to them that as a commended for the humanity with which result of disregarding the law they often they approach what are very often quite become mere statistics. They could be told trying and unhappy problems. each month about the crimes that occur and The changes in the Act are, of course, about how easily they are detected. They needed to bring practice into tune with should be shown what happens to so-called modern development, and also to supply a clever recalcitrants. degree of conformity with what is being done in other States. I am not one who The education of children in the laws of believes in conformity for conformity's sake, our society should be in the hands of wel­ but on this occasion I believe that the fare officers and not teachers who today have changes are proper and desirable. to teach not only the curriculum but also manners, hygiene, and respect, particularly to Of course, it is very easy to say that all some children in our society who are vir­ that is needed here is an injection of money. tually dragged up rather than reared. Police As we do in so many areas, we undoubtedly youth clubs in all cities would help to do need trained social workers-we need correct some recalcitrants and bring back more and more of them-but to believe that respect for the police. They would also all that is required is to channel more help working mothers by looking after their money into this department and provide children after school and at week-ends. more officers, and that this will overcome the growing problem of children disturbed Mr. Lee: What about the Juvenile Aid by the circumstances of modern society, is, Bureau? of course, mere wishful thinking. What we are up against is an unhappy change in the Mr. .JENSEN: What we need is aid in the whole direction that society is taking. We early years in order to get at the cause are up against the enormous pressures that rather than the effect. I firmly believe this are being built up as cities become larger. is the correct course of action and something As they become larger-in our case certainly should be done about it. A generation they seem to be totally unplanned-this or two ago we may not have needed it, seriously impairs the capacity of children to but we certainly do in today's society. lead well-oriented and well-based lives. Mr. Lee interjected. I think back to my own boyhood in Bris­ bane, when paddocks were available every­ Mr. .JENSEN: This is what I want but where and when a child could indulge his it should be in all cities. It is already in boyhood proclivities without getting into any existence in Brisbane but some thought should trouble, either with neighbours or with the be given to other cities as well. police. We must look at the causes and attempt When my own children were growing up, to do something in this field to prevent the the area in which we lived had ample space galloping increase in crime amongst children. in which children could play-places where It could easily be done if we would spend they could paddle in creeks, throw stones, in this area more money than we outlay build humpies, and do all the things that on phychologists and welfare workers for children properly want to do to be useful, those who have already committed crimes. creative, and, perhaps, sometimes even a Let us talk to the children and instruct them little noisy, in their playing. But, as cities at least once a month on these matters. get bigger, the more the children become They do not receive enough instruction. Police separated from what I might call the natural might go to a school now and again, but things of childhood. This is an enormous that is not enough. These things have to factor in making for children who endeavour be drummed into children's heads. It is to find an identity by getting in with a mob not much good our saying, "They are just or a crowd and wanting to do things that kids." or "Kids will be kids." We all know pass the mischief stage and become quite that. The position was no different when anti-social. I went to school, but society has changed, I suggest that one of the prime reasons and, accordingly, our methods must also for children getting to the stage where they change. become the subjects with which this Bill I ask the Minister to look into the exten­ is concerned is the lack of care in planning sion of police welfare and juvenile aid. Let cities the lack of interest in providing those police officers instruct these children and open' spaces-the parks, fields and playing extend friendliness to them so that they grounds-and those facilities for organised will respect law and order in this State as sport where children's energies and impetu­ well as the police themselves. osities can be channelled into useful fields. Mr. PORTER (Toowong) (12.33 p.m.): I Governments certainly have a role to play think the first thing to say in speaking to here, but, above all, municipal government this Bill is that one recognises the good also has a leading role to play. I believe Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2833

that in Brisbane we Jag dreadfully behind Mr. PORTER: I think the sickness is other capital cities in the provision of these vastly accelerated by official Government outlets for young people through which to attitudes. If the honourable member wishes discharge their energies. I should like to to probe this matter, I point out that I see much more done in this field. spoke on this subject during the Matters of Public Interest debate on Wednesday Another direction in which young children last. I am deeply distressed at the extent and are sorely tried is what I might call the speed with which the Federal A.L.P. Gov­ moral fibre of the times. We live in an ernment seems to be developing what are, age in which so many of the values that to me, these very undesirable characteristics were taken for granted when I was young in our society. -they were absolutes and were accepted without question-are now being questioned Mr. Tucker: I wondered when you would and, as well, condemned by the very people get around to that. who profess to teach, instruct and lead our children. Mr. PORTER: The honourable member now has it. If what I say is not true, people Mr. O'DonneU: Some people regard it as will recognise it as such and I will stand a breach of civil liberties. condemned. Mr. PORTER: This is very sad. We are Mr. Tucker: Jt is not true. dealing not merely with civil liberties but Mr. PORTER: The honourable member with the much deeper problem of prorer says it is not true; therefore, he has nothing moral standards in many fields. It is not to worry about. I am convinced it is true surprising to me to find young people, if and that this is the rock on which the honour­ they come from families in which the parents able member's side of politics will perish, just are habitually careless with liquor, experi­ as it perished before during the period th11t menting with drugs. Nor is it surprising I have been involved in the political sphere. to find children moving into areas of sexual To get back to the Bill under considerat:on, experimentation when their parents intro­ I believe that all the machinery changes are duce into the homes books of very doubtful proper and very desirable. All of us, irrespec­ quality or if the children know that their tive of our political beliefs-this is an area parents go to see films or plays of very in which we should try to rise above the poor dramatic merit. narrow shackles of party politics-would agree with their purpose. I am sure that Having brought up my four children and all who have a concern for young and seen all of them married, and now watching impressionable children would wish to support the growth of 10 grandchildren, I am totally the Bill. I certainly do. convinced that children are imitative and it is quite impossible for parents to proceed Mr. BROMLEY (South Brisbane) (12.42 along a certain line of permissiveness and p.m.): I was rather pleased with the start at the same time believe that they can say of the last speaker's contribution, but I to their children, "Don't do as we do; you became terribly upset when he dragged act along these lines." That simply does politics into the debate. It was rather stupid not happen. For this reason, I deplore the of him-although it is typical-to try to growing trend of permissiveness that seems blame the Commonwealth Government for to come from official circles. this sort of thing. I make it clear to the I believe, for instance, that the introduction honourable member for Toowong at the of the "R" accreditation of films is not in outset that the A.L.P. has been in Govern­ the best interests of our nation. I was ment in the Commonwealth sphere only since doubtful about it at the time it was intro­ 2 December, yet the rate of juvenile duced, but accepted it as an experiment. Now delinquency and crime has soared to great I am quite certain it is wrong. A survey has heights while this Government has been in been carried out in this field in Victoria, office in Queensland and while the Liberal­ and I am sure that the findings would hold Country Government was in the Federal equally as well in Queensland. They reveal sphere. I did not want to introduce politic~ that the audiences at this type of film are into this debate. I wished to speak in a basically the same sort of people, that is, calm and reasoned way on this Bill. I was people who do the rounds from film to very alarmed at the introductory remarks of film of doubtful quality. In other words, the the Minister, knowing only too well the truth theatres are getting the audiences, but they of some of the things to which he referred. represent not a broad cross-section of the I made notes of what the Minister said and, community but a number of rather "sick" as he went on, I realised that most of us people who seem to think that entertainment knew that what he said was mainly true, and is derived from what is erotic, crude and certainly worrying. rather obscene. I believe that this tends I have addressed various organisations, as to rub off on children. most honourable members probably have, on matters placed before us today such as the Mr. Wright: Do you agree that the sick­ money that is spent by the Department of ness is already there; that it is not brought Children's Services, the breakdown in homes about by the "R" certificate? and so on. I recently addressed a meeting 2834 Children's Services Act (9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill of a branch of the organisation Parents with­ be made-in this case by the Director-on out Partners of which I am Queensland how assistance could be given before the patron. This is the area in which a great trouble starts. This is an important point. deal of the trouble lies. The Minister and I should like to read in the report some the Director of Children's Services, Mr. suggestions from the Government or the Clark, realise that, quite often, a breakdown department on what can be done before occurs in the one-parent families. This is the trouble arises. one of the matters we have to worry about. The Minister mentioned the increase The Minister referred to deprived children, between 1965 and 1972 in the number of the juvenile crime increase, and the one­ children that the department is helping. I parent children of whom I have just spoken. cannot understand how the department can I know many instances in my electorate of handle all of this work. I know that depart­ breakdowns in family life, very often when mental heads are on duty seven days a women with children are widowed. week and are doing this work willingly to After hearing about the breakdowns and help these unfortunate children. The increase the other matters referred to by the Minister, between 1965 and 1972 in the number of I decided to re-examine the 1972 report children helped by the department is of the presented by Mr. Clark, the Director of order of 100 per cent. The honourable Children's Services. The table of contents, member for To·owong tried to blame the which gives a good deal of food for thought, Labor-Commonwealth Government for this reads- increase, but I repeat that it occurred between "Introduction 1965 and 1972. It is to the credit of Family Assistance the Government and the department that the expenditure has skyrocketed during that Children in Care- period from approximately $1,500,000 to Children in Need of Care and Protec- $8,000,000. A large proportion of that amount t:on would be spent in assisting children who Foster Care are deprived of fathers. I believe that the Receiving and Assessment Centres expenditure in this field is getting out of Licensed Institutions hand and that something must be done to Education spend the money more wisely. Employment Training Homes for Girls Approximately 35 years ago a well-known Westbrook Training Centre A ustra!ian radio commentator used the theme, Wihon Youth Hospital "Populate or perish", whereas today informed Adoptions people are sa\ing, "Overpopulate and perish". Judging by the present population growth Juvenile Anti-Social Behaviour­ rate in Australia, our population will double Children's Courts in 30 years. In the last seven years, accord­ Supervision ing to the Minister's figures, ther·e has been Shaftsbury Citizenship Centre an increase of 100 per cent in the incidence Protection of Children­ of social problems, and the assistance afforded Ill-Treatment of. Children to deprived children and families. I think Care of Young Children that more money, perhaps even millions, Street Trading should be spent in attempting to prevent the Public Entertainment." breaking up of homes. It seems to me The final two headings are, "Administration" that over the years there has been a very and "Appreciation". It is an exceHent great loss of interest in family "togetherness". report and, as I have pointed out on Governments have lagged deplorably in the previous occasions. does great credit to the provision of family-planning clinics, and department. I realise that the present Minister welfare officers and centres. As has been has not held this branch of his portfolio for sa.id so many times before, prevention is very long, but at no time has he or any of always better than cure. his predecessors offered any solution to pre­ The Government should grasp the nettle vent much of this trouble. The department in this matter. It should start at the does a really fantastic job. But what is the beginning, even if it means sex education answer? in schools. I am in favour of that, and I was interested in a few remarks passed I believe that this is where we should start by the honourable member for Toowong in tackling the problem. There should then about films. I still claim, as I have claimed be more marriage-planning centres where before, that a good deal of the imported people could be taught how to cope with rubbish that is repeatedly shown on television life. I think that early training counts for is to blame for much of the trouble, became a great deal. I believe that in many young people believe that what they see on respects married couples with fami1ies, and television is the right way of life. This even unmarried couples, should be allowed applies to both good and bad types of to decide these matters for themselves with­ children. Unfortunately, Australia has no out undue interference, but adult training real art or culture. In all fairness and and marriage-planning centres should be decency I offer the advice that, somewhere available to them. I read in yesterday's in reports such as this one, suggestions could "Telegraph" an article headed, "When Your Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2835

Husband Walks Out". This article contains Mr. BROMLEY: It is tragic. good advice and I commend the "Telegraph" I spoke earlier about the population on its publication, but that is all it is­ explosion in Australia, and similar popula­ advice. tion explosions have occurred in countries I think that the Government should set overseas. up marriage-planning and advisory centres. Mr. Murray: Do you advocate population Ignorance in family planning leads to control? unwanted children; it leads to poverty and unhappiness. And it leads to separation Mr. BROMLEY: I support family-planning and desertion, when husbands "shoot schemes. I dealt with that matter before through". Then comes the shockingly the honourable member came into the Cham­ unhappy time for wives and mothers when ber, but I wish to return to it briefly now. marriage breakdowns occur. By getting to With the population crisis that we are now the crux of the situation before marriages facing, advances in industry and technologi­ reach the point of breaking down, it may cal changes are not making the world a be possible to reduce the increasing incidence much better place to live in. I say that of troubles of this type, and consequently advisedly, because pollution of all kinds is the great amount of money that they cost ruining the environment and, in some the State. instances, even causing the breakdown of What happens to a woman, particularly marriages. a mother with two or three children, when Mr. R. E. Moore: How does it do that? her marriage breaks down? Ill health sets in, followed by a nervous breakdown, and Mr. BROMLEY: I have only three minutes sometimes attempted suicide. Statistics show in which to complete my speech, so I cannot that Queensland has more attempted and explain now. I will see the honourable mem­ successful suicides than any other State of ber later and tell him. the Commonwealth. In my opinion, the human race is its own worst enemy in that respect. Over­ Mr. Murray: They are very successful population leads to over-industrialisation, people in Queensland. which in turn causes excessive pollution of Mr. Tucker: Why wouldn't they want to the air. It also causes breakdowns in suicide, under Bjelke-Petersen? marriages and leads to much unhappiness. In addition, of course, one must take into Mr. BROMLEY: I did not quite catch consideration pollution of the waters and the interjection of the honourable member the ever-increasing noise pollution, which for Clayfield. I hope it was, for a fhange, is something about which each one of us a fairly intelligent one. The cost of "loving", should worry. if I may put it that way, has brought about I shaJl conclude by reading from the these breakdowns in marriage. Many widows editorial that appeared in ''The Courier­ come to me-no doubt you, Mr. Lickiss, and Mail" of .19 February 1973, which con­ other honourable members have similar trasts sharply with what I said earlier about experiences-and ask me to try to do some­ the number of children in a family, and so thin[! to bring their lads into line after on. It is headed "Heartless" and says- the father has left home. "The Young Liberal Movement's The Minister referred to the costs associ­ national convention decision urging the ated with these problems. They include, of Commonwealth Government to cut out course, the salaries of the Director of child endownment after the fourth child Children's Services and his very capable was foolish. assistants. I should like the Committee to "The Young Liberals believe that to consider the situation of a person on the endow only four children would encourage basic wage. The present basic wage in smaller families. It is doubtful if this Queensland is $42.30 for males and $32.85 would have that effect and, in any case, for females. I understand that the pro­ there are better ways of family planning." posed Bill brings the amount paid to a There are in fact better ways of family deserted wife or an unmarried mother with planning, and I regret that I have not time children almost up to the female basic wage to outline them now. The editorial con­ of $32.85. The minimum wage is now $51.50 for a male and $49.30 for a female; tinues- but only last month figures were issued show­ "The main effect of cutting back child ing that the average male earning rate was endowment would be to make it harder $103. If one also takes into account that for large families to Jive. That is a the poverty line is now estimated to be heartless way of trying to achieve a social more than $50 a week, one can see why objective." families are breaking up, why children are Mr. Herbert interjected. not receiving proper attention, why mothers are "giving the game away", and why fathers Mr. BROMLEY: I am not being facetious are "shooting through". In many instances, about · this'. In my opinion, the situation the amount of money they receive each week that we are in should worry all of us. As is inadequate to meet their needs. I indicated earlier, I do believe to a great extent in a zero-type population scheme. I Mr. Dean: The position is tragic. have made my points about over-population. 2836 Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

Mr. R. E. Moore: What about the dark will mean that a child can be granted bail races multiplying? What happens then? Do under the same conditions as an adult. In we go under? some cases, of course, that is a very good Mr. BROMLEY: I do not think that would thing, but in other cases it would not be be the case. I do not think that overseas advisable. people or dark races-as the honourable Mention has been made of the beginnings member calls them-have anything to do of delinquency in children. Certainly much with the Bill. Overseas countries that are of it starts in the home because of the tele­ not supposed to be as enlightened as vision set. I rarely watch television, but Australia have family-planning schemes. For I have occasionally seen advertisements on instance, they make the pill available on television and I am told by regular viewers request. what is screened in the various programmes. Mr. R. E. Moore: For a headache. Unsuitable programmes are shown at a time before negleotful parents allow their children Mr. BROMLEY: The honourable member to run the streets. Imagine what sort of would be the greatest headache around here. an influence that must have on a child's I would suggest with all due respect to the character and his outlook on life! honourable member for Windsor that it is a pity that his mother was not ·on the pill prior Mention has been made of films. Again to his being brought into this world. this comes back 1to parental supervision. After all, we cannot expect the police to Mr. Tucker: He is a perfect example of do everything. In my view, they do a the need for it. magnificent job for young people. I have Mr. BROMLEY: As the honourable mem­ had personal experience of what is being ber for Townsville West points out, he would done by the police sergeant and other police be a perfect example of the need for the personnel at Sandgate. They have been pill. But I do not want to get off the sub­ called upon from time to 'time to apprehend ject or be facetious. young people who are going wrong, and in other instances to give the sort of guidance In all sincerity I do believe that we have that the parents should have given their child­ .to tackle this problem prior to the trouble ren at an earlier age. itarting. Perhaps we should start off wi•th young people before they get married or, Once again I pay a compliment to the m deed, before they reach the age of puberty. Director and his staff. What a marvellous I could cite the case of a young girl who job is done by the Department of Children's had baby after baby. The Department of Services! It would be one of the most Children's Services was a sort of staging difficult departments of all to administer. The camp for her. Director and his staff have a 24-hours-a-day (Time expired.) job. The honourable member for South Brisbane has mentioned 'that they are called [Sitting suspended from 1.2 to 2.15 p.m.] upon at all times of the day and night to assist young people. . Mr. DEAN (Sandgate) (2.15 p.m.): I listened very carefully to the Minister's intro­ Many misdemeanours are committed ductory remarks last night. From what he because of contact by young people with said there can be no doubt that this Bill misguided or evil-minded adults. Of course, will bring about many improvements. How­ the alcohol question comes into this. From ever, I felt rather dismayed at the failure time to time I receive phone calls at my to mention parents, and I think I would be home advising me that a car is parked out­ in order in making passing reference to the side a certain hotel or hotel-motel containing responsibilities of parents towards their children who have been left there while children. Many would agree with me that their parents are drinking in the hotel the child's home life is all important. That lounge. I have been told by senior police includes parental control and parental respon­ officers that when they are called upon in sibility. circumstances such as these their powers are I wonder when we will have courage very restricted. They cannot take a child enough to deal forcefully with parents who from a car without running the risk of neglect their children. I suppose that what contravening their own regulations. They I see locally in my electorate happens every­ have not the authority to do so unless the where. Any night of the week I can see child is in dire danger-unless it is running boys and girls of tender age running the out on the street or it is obvious that some streets. Apparently their parents could not harm may come to it. I think the police care less about giving them proper attention, should be given authority to take control and the children grow up in that atmosphere. of any child left in a motor-car in front of Parents should ensure that their young a hotel, whether in the day-time or at night. children are in the home early in the evening. This practice is far too common. Unfor­ If they do not, this is where the trouble tunately, it is often claimed that the parents really stal'ts. go to the hotel because they are ill. It is I think the Minister mentioned six aspects absolute rot. I am sick and tired of hearing of the Act that will be affected by the this excuse. It has been said that, by amending Bill. One justifiable amendment drinking, these sick-minded people in the Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2837 community are trying to ease their problems of religion, whoever he may be, is trying to and forget their responsibilities to their impart a message but he cannot do so children. in the short time allotted to him in schools. I am disappointed that the Minister has I have often pitied clergymen who have tried not done something in this measure to deal to give religious instruction in schools. In with delinquent parents. We should be deal­ many instances it is only a waste of time as ing with the cause of juvenile crime in our well as an interruption of the school syllabus. community, not the result. We should be I do not think it is achieving the desired getting right to the root cause of the matter, result. Religious instruction should be given and the sooner we go into the various homes in the home and the church. and ascertain why these children are coming I am disappointed at the omission from before the courts so often and why they the Bill of a provision to increase the penal­ have to be detained in institutions, the better. ties for cruelty to children. I have no A suggestion has been made that more sympathy whatever with those parents who youth centres and clubs should be estab­ bash children of tender age. I think all lished. To my mind, this is not the complete honourable members will agree that this type solution. We could keep on building youth of conduct is on the increase. Perhaps it clubs and youth centres and encouraging is the result of the easy way of life that the Scout and Guide movements, but that is some parents lead. not the solution. Those organisations do not It is a pity that certain members of the accept boys and girls of this type because medical profession-! exclude those presently they have not been taught responsibility or in this Chamber-do not do the right thing discipline. When boys and girls join these by reporting to the appropriate authorities organisations it is very necessary for them some of the injuries they see suffered by to comply with certain disciplinary measures. children. Although the parents might claim This is essential in the proper running of the that the child has fallen off a chair or Girl Guide and Scout organisations or, for a bed, the doctor must realise that the that matter, any youth club. injuries have been deliberately inflicted on These children have never been taught the child. No fcrm of punishment is too obedience. In other words, they simply do bad for that type of parent; he should be not know the meaning of the word "discip­ deprived of his freedom and imprisoned for line". That is why many of them fall foul at least six months. of the police and view the role of the police­ Mr. R. E. Moore: What good would that man from the wrong angle. Many of them do? are taught to fear the police. Fear is instilled in their minds in an endeavour to prevent Mr. DEAN: It would certainly give the them from doing wrong, but unfortunately father some time to think about it, and, many of them do not know when they are as well, it would give those parents who doing wrong because they have not been drink alcohol to excess an opportunity to properly taught. By the time they reach their dry out. teens they do not care. They have reached the age of reasoning long before, but when Mr. R. E. Moore: And who will look after the kids while the parents are in they reach their teens they are usually in a gaol? rut or on the downgrade and consequently continue in that way. Mr. DEAN: If the mother cannot-! admit Another suggestion was made that lectures that in some instances she is equally as should be held in schools. We are dealing in culpable as the father-the Children's Ser­ this measure with a problem in its advanced vices Department could quite adequately care stage. I hope that, in the future, amendments for the children. I do not want to inflict to the Children's Services Act will focus a any greater responsibility on the Director little more attention on the weaknesses of and his staff, but although they cannot take the parents relative to their children's the place of a good parent they can more delinquency. than adequately take the place of a bad one. In fact, I think that some children would Mr. Gunn: Religious instruction is given be better off under the care of the depart­ in all our State schools. ment than in a home where the parents Mr. DEAN: Again, religious instruction are continually fighting, squabbling and should start in the homes and churches. In brawling. the few minutes allowed for religious instruc­ The Minister referred to the failure of tion in schools we cannot expect proper certain parents to meet the maintenance instruction to be given. In my view such charges imposed by the department when instruction has, at times, been an absolute their children have been committed to institu­ waste of time. In additim1, it has been tions, for want of a better term. Surely to approached from the wrong angle. Many goodness parents who fail to pay these children have not been taught the seriousness charges should not be allowed to get away of the divine laws. The point is that much with it. I presume that this provision would of this instruction has become a sham. I not be changed unless it was thought neces­ think the Minister would agree that many sary, and from that I can only conclude young people do not realise that the minister that a great number of parents neglect to 2838 Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

meet the charges. I hope that in his It may be said that the cause is that parents reply the Minister will clarify this point do not care about a child, that they are and tell us whether the number of defaulting too selfish or that they have some other parents is increasing. Perhaps I missed the motive that makes them neglect it. How­ point the Minister was making when intro­ ever, the fact remains that basic human ducing the Bill, but it seemed to me that values are not being maintained, and that he did not make it clear that they are not that is why this outrage is increasing. They paying. I believe there must be a big are not being maintained in circumstances backlog in payments. of an escalating number of children who In the light of the figures announced by are not only neglected but are literally the Minister, I again stress the need to dumped onto the community by parents who deal adequately with parents to ensure that do not want them. they shoulder their responsibility. The Minis­ It is most important for us to realise ter said that in 1965, the department had in this whole context that there is no direct contact with 10,582 children, but that such thing as a delinquent child. There last year the number had increased to are many delinquent adults, but, in the basic 20,826. Despite all the amendments to concept of that word, no delinquent chil~ren. this legislation that have been passed in This has been proved absolutely conclusrvely the last few years, it seems that we are by recent surveys throughout the world. not making much of an impression on this One which was carried out by a British serious problem. I urge the Minister and agency investigated all the children who his technical advisers to get down to the were born in one particular week of one root cause of juvenile crime in the com­ particular year-I think it was 1958-and munity and try to stem the tide before we the agency looked again at them in seven find it becomes too strong and virtually years, 10 years and 12 years. It then impossible to control. It would be excellent assessed what had happened to them. if the Minister could introduce an amend­ The children were divided into three ment to ensure that parents played their part groups. The first comprised the children in child welfare generally, and in overcoming who were born into what we call the juvenile delinquency. normal family environment. The second comprised those who had been born illegi­ Dr. CRAWFORD (Wavell) (2.31 p.m.): mate. That second group was then sub­ Several points pertinent to improvements in children's services in Queertsland are divided into those children who were worth mentioning. It is distressing to note adopted into a family that wanted them, that the department handled 6,000 children through the adoption system, and those last year. That was a marked escalation who remained with their mothers and had of the figures contained in previous reports to suffer the so-called stigma of illegitimacy. of the Children's Services Department, and This survey proved quite conclusively that I believe it is indicative of the over-all not only did the so-called disadvantaged erosion of values in our community and children who were adopted into a normal others throughout western soci,ety. This family environment do as well as those result is bound up with the quality of life who had been born into a complete family that we attain and the amount of effort environment, but in most instances they did that we, as individuals, are prepared to put better in their general development and in into maintaining that quality. mental, intellectual, and other quality-type developments. This is the era of a very vocal group of young people in the community who are To say that because a child is unwanted attempting to outlaw war, which is in itself by some supercilious adult, it is automati­ a very reasonable and justifiable aim. In cally a deficient and delinquent member of recent years, throughout western society we society from birth is absolute hogwash. have witnessed the virtual abolition of capi­ If that child is given a normal home environ­ tal punishment for the most heinous crimes, ment with loving parents, he has every but at the same time the defenceless mem­ opportunity of developing normally. bers in our community are being subjected The second instance I should like to to increasing abuse. That statement applies, quote in this context involves an organisa­ of course, to the cry for abortion and tion which emanated fwm Germany and euthanasia in the community. I hate to Austria after the war. It developed because envisage a situation where, in a decade or there were people in that part of the world two, members of the medical profession, the who cared sufficiently about children to legal profession or any other profession are wonder how they could be slotted back sitting on a committee that has to decide into society when their parents had been that this person shall live and that one killed or they had been born out of wedlock. shall die. That sort of thing could happen It has now evolved into a society known if we do not maintain basic values. as "S.O.S.", which stands for "Save Our One of the symptoms of this malaise in Souls". our community is the battered-child syn­ It set up a village system in that part drome to which the honourable member of the world, and in subsequent years for Sandgate referred. And this symptom in other parts of the world. It put the is becoming much worse in the community. children under the care of a mother figure Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2839 in an individual home, with six, eight or are placed in an environment in which they 10 children in each home. The homes were can receive. the general care that is every grouped in a village system with one man child's birthright. running the entire village and being their There are also those children who need paternal figure. This works extremely well. physical, mental and educational aid, and Mr. Bromley: Is it a church organisation? these must be discovered and treated early. It is not good enough to have waiting times Dr. CRAWFORD: It is not, but it acts of six months, nine months, or five years for in the same way as a church organisation. treatment of these children. Treatment of The stage has now been reached where ,this type must be co-ordinated, and it must these villages are being established through­ be carried out early. out the world, including Australia. Through­ If the Minister and the Director can out the world, 9,000 children have gone institute some reforms of this type, a very through this organisation and not one of great deal will be accomplished for the them has ever been indicted on a major welfare of those who are, after all, the future offence in any court in the world. That citizens of this country. proves absolutely conclusively that children, if they are given the right environment Mr. BALDWIN (Redlands) (2.42 p.m.): I and the correct amount of care and attention, doubt if there are any members in this are able to develop, even if they are born Assembly who are not parents, or have under what are considered by our society not been associated with children in some to be trying and delinquent-bearing way throughout their Jives. Many, as grand­ circumstances. parents, are now associated with children As to delinquency in general-and Mr. for the second time. Many have had grea,t Clark has to deal with a great deal of this interest in children through sporting in his organisation-the other type of child organisations, service clubs, and other similar who develops like this is the one who has bodies. Some are members of the medical some form of mental or physical deficiency profession, and some were teachers. We which is not diagnosed at an early stage have all been associated closely in some way and is not subjected to the right sort of with children. corrective treatment. To diagnose the child­ During the four years that I have been ren in our community who need this type in this Chamber, the Children's Services Aat of treatment, we would need a combination has been amended on three occasions. On of the education system, the medical system, each occasion there has been the shocking psychological experts and the whole organi­ revelation of the fantastic increase in the sation of the Health Department, so that an number of children who have in some way establishment is set up-and it does not exist come under the care of the department, and at the moment-where a child can be sent the tremendous costs associa,ted with this initially for complete assessment when it growing problem in modern society. The hon­ is first suspected that he has something ourable member for Wavell made a very wrong with him. He may only be five good point when he referred to the part or six or even younger. If such a child is played by the family unit in providing a firm either put into the wrong slot or treated foundation for the projection of children incorrectly at a tender age, he eventually into society. This point was also made by gives up his attempts to cope with the the honourable member for SandgaJte, and l­ education system. He becomes a non­ and, I am sure, the majority of members­ educated young person and a non-educated heartily concur. adult, and automatically a delinquent because If this is in fact the situation, we have he rebels against society in general. It to ask ourselves, "What is wrong?" The is very important that somebody should Treasurer, backed by cohorts such as the take this step and co-ordinate the assess­ honourable member for Ithaca, is con­ ment of children who have general defi­ stantly saying, "We are an affluent State. ciencies of this type. I do not know whether We have never had it so good." In the the Department of Children's Services can middle of this, one finds the growth of do it. delinquency. Inadequacy is connected in It has been estimated that up to one-third some way with delinquency, and I think of the children in primary schools are affected this is an admirable time to examine this wi,th minimal brain damage, minimal speech strange paradox, this phenomenon 'that bids defects, and similar deficiencies, and it is fair to wreck Western society and has very important indeed that such children be already gone a long way towards wrecking it found at an early age and subjected to in some North American and European adequate remedial therapy, either educa­ countries. tional or medical. If this is not done, the Of course, having been a teacher for 19 result is increasing delinquency. years and now being a grandparent, I have The main causes of delinquency are parents always regarded this as a cause for great who do not care about their children; parents concern and investigation, and I am sure who spoil their children by giving them not that other honourable members have the things that they really need but a whole approached the problem in a similar way. plethora of things that 1they do not need; I recall quite clearly cases of delinque~cy and parents who fail to see that their children amongst pupils that came to my attentiOn 2840 Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

when I was a teacher at primary and, more Mr. Lee: Your party does not, though, particularly, secondary level. For example, does it? I was brought face to face with •the terrible Mr. BALDWIN: I say to the honourable case of a young girl-she was not quite member for Yeronga that I have been instru­ 15 years of age-who was running a "house". mental, and I have seen many members of She and her mates even had a price list made my party instrumental, in introducing out. They ran the "house" after school, through the party convention policies that before her parents came home from work, honourable members opposite are 10 years and at any other time that her parents were behind now. The honourable member can away. I saw that girl and many of her never thruthfully make such an accusation friends fronting up to canteen in the school against me. I will send him a complimentary with oodles of money. They had much copy of the A.L.P.'s policy. I will not more money than I ever gave my children. charge him a cent for it, although 1 would I have seen children such as these, basically pay dearly for Lee's sand and gravel. good, go through school as hopeless failures Time and again in this Chamber we are and finish up not realising anywhere near told what an affluent sooiety this is. We •their potential to be good citizens and, continually hear the Cassius Clay claim, instead, become a burden on the taxpayers "We are the greatest". How have we arrived of Queensland because of their delinquency. at this affluent position? Simply by increasing This has often been followed by imprison­ the working population of this State. Over ment, which, of course, always imposes a the last 10 years the working population burden on the State. has increased by 57 per cent. This has been Since I have been a member of this brought about because more women are going Assembly I have seen two inquiries take to work and because of double jobbing. Over place into Westbrook, one into Karrala the same period, the time that parents have House and some others into other places of to attend to the wants of their children detention for children. I have received, has decreased. as I am sure most honourable members have, I have heard honourable members on both many inquiries from parents about children sides trenchantly criticise the absence of who have strayed from the beaten track parents from their homes while they are at in some way or another. Here we are, hotels, sporting events, and so on. Another in this affluent State, •talking about the factor to be considered is that the number marked increase in delinquency and the of nervous breakdowns and mental collapses critical cost burden to the State, which is of parents is at an all-time high. According the leit-motiv of the amendments as the to the Statistician's figures, they are higher Minister presented them. That does not among parents who do not seek relaxation. surprise me, and, if I have an opportunity, The number of mental and physical break­ ·I shall have more to say about it on the downs is higher among those who slave it second reading. The increasing cost of out every night double jobbing. It all points dealing with the problem and the way of to the same thing: the parents in our so·ciety easing the administrative burden and making are being exploited by the owners of industry it simpler to cope with it comes •through. and by foreign interests. Because of the At ·the same time one sees the problem amount that parents are re·quired to pay out, growing, and there is little, if any, attempt they are being forced to spend more time to look at the cos1t of it. away from their families. The main cause that has been hinted at The great divorce of parents from their by members speaking to the proposed families is a matter of e·conomics as a result amendments has been, by and large, simply of the Country-Liberal Government policies that there is not enough care and control imposed on our society. The Governm~nt in the home. We are trying 1to substitute tries to use easy, short-term ways of solvmg care and control in the schools and the the problem by introducing harsher laws, Department of Children's Services for care such as by making children pay bail money, and control in the family unit. and by putting them into institut!on~ w.hen there is ample evidence that such mst1vut10ns No matter what honourable members are not successful. The crime rate among opposite might have had reason to accuse me children after leaving those places is increas­ of in the years that I have been in this ing, so somewhere the system is failing. Chamber, and even before I entered it, one thing of which I cannot be accused­ We cannot solve the juvenile problems of if honourable members opposite think they this State by the pages of the Children's can successfully accuse me of it, I invite Services Act. We have to solve them by an them ·to do so, either by interjection now over-all policy that will put parents back or when they take part in the debate-is not into their families or provide an adequate being a firm believer in the value and substitute by way of schools, churches, sp?rt­ strength of and need for the family unit ing bodies, etc. We have to protect society as the basic element for the survival of our from the would-be parasites who are fattening Western cuiture and our nation. It is on the terrible disease of child delinquency. the premise on which I base any criticism I make these remarks as an introduction to or any suggestion that I make, and I will what I hope to be able to say at the second­ stand by that to my dying day. reading stage. Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2841

Mr. R. E. MOORE (Windsor) (2.54 p.m.): were considered to be the necessities of life. First of all I pay tribute to the Minister. As a result, their attitude is, "Well, we He has administered this portfolio for only could not have these things but we are a short time, but I congratulate him on going to see that our children get the very the way he has taken up the reins. Whatever best." They over-indulge their children and portfolio he holds, he handles it skilfully, as a result the children lose all sense of and I am very pleased to be associated with values. Many can handle the situation him and to be able to assist him as a be~ause of their broad outlook, but the member of his committee. attitude of others tends to create a per­ missive society. I also pay tribute to Mr. Clark, the Director of Children's Services. He should Today,.. more and more of these people be given the award of Father of the Year. are reqmnng help. There are many situa­ Probably he would have in his care and tions in which families are receiving help so be a "parent" to more children than any from the Children's Services Department or other Queenslander. With the type of job other social service agencies. They are he has, some might think that he would be not livi~g on the fat of the land, but they an ogre. But his complete attitude is a are domg reasonably well on the hand­ kindly attempt to do the right thing for the outs they receive from the Government children who come under his care. We would whi.ch amount to almost the equivalent of th~ go a long way before we could find a bas1c wage. By comparison, another family better man for the position. When a matter that is receiving exactly the same sum of becomes a Government responsibility, quite money may be living in a state of abject often people think that the officer regards poverty. This simply shows that some his responsibility solely as a job of work, people are good managers, whereas others but this is not the case with Mr. Clark. are bad ones. I doubt whether an allotment of as much as $100 a week would allow Among the causes of delinquency today some families to maintain a reasonable are the attitude of the mass media and the standard of living. Someone has to foot presence of the motor-car. We all know the bill, and it is all taxpayers' money. that in days gone by various "pushes" and God helps people who help themselves, but gangs roamed the streets and, if they used as for those who don't, we should look knuckle-dusters or hit somebody with a upon them kindly and encourage them. bottle, nobody knew about it. In those days radio was in its infancy and there was no The hono~Jrab!e member for Sandgate sug­ television so the mass media could not gested that 1mpnsonment might deter parents sell anyone the germ of an idea. With from bashing their children. He seems to today's mass media and its influence, what fo~get that parents who brutally assault their is happening in New York is also happening chlldre~ usually do so either in a fit of here. I realise that children go through frustratwn or on the spur of the moment. passing phases, but in the stage when they If such parents were imprisoned they would are susceptible to suggestion the mass media only ask for their children to be returned to sells them the germ of an idea, whether t~em . after their release, and if a similar it be the smoking of marijuana, the taking s1tuat~on arose again the fact that they have of drugs or anything else. They would not been. m gao~ wou.ld not deter them from again think about it if the thought was not inflicted bashmg the1r c~lldren. After all, inmates of upon them. our modern pnsons are not put on the rack or tortured with thumb screws. Probably In Australia we Jag about five years m~ny of them would like to go back to behind what is happening in America and pnson, because to them it is a pleasant place this gives us an opportunity to combat the free from worries. situation, because we can see what is happening in advance. We can look at The Wilson Youth Hospital contains quite the remedies other countries have tried a number of girls who are there because of implementing those that are good and forget~ their promiscuity in sexual relations. The ting those that are not. One of the problems governing factor is the age of consent. It is that the Department of Children's Ser­ has been suggested that if the age were vices, or the Government, tends to lead reduced by one year the hospital would public opinion in these circumstances and, contain only approximately half the number as soon as either appears to be a little of girls who are there at present. We are bit too forward looking, it is accused of contemplating a reduction in the voting age being overbearing and aggressive. The to _18. years and even, perhaps, the age of smart thing to do is to go ahead and to maJOnty to 18 years. hell with what the people think. We are Mr. Wright: Be more specific. here as legislators and we have to show them that, with the passage of time what Mr. R. E. MOORE: I will not be more we did was right. ' specific than that. These problems are snowballing, and in It has been claimed that the Government some respects the blame must be laid on can do more. Governments simply cannot th~ parents. Many of today's parents, as invade private homes in anticipation of ch1ldren, went through a depression and trouble; they are brought into the matter were deprived of many of the things that only after it gets out of hand. 2842 Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

As to expenditure, in 1965 the sum if it were administered to certain delinquent involved was $1,689,746, whereas for 1973 children at school. Lt could prevent a black­ it is estimated that it will cost $8,262,000. board jungle from occuring. The incidence of desertion is greater today than ever before, and the number of divorces Mr. WRIGHT (Rockhampton) (3.8 p.m.): is also steadily on the increase. Children Mr. Lickiss, after listening to the honourable regard their parents not as two separate member for Windsor, you may well under­ entities but as one, and when desertion or stand why Opposition members do not like divorce occurs the children suffer a very trusting Government members to observe an traumatic experience. agreement on the length of speeches. It should be noted that certain Opposition mem­ Mr. Ahern interjected. bers decided to curtail their speeches so that other membeTs could speak. What has Mr. R. E. MOORE: Go to hell! I am just occurred should be noted. It was inter­ getting the nod from my Whip to sit down. esting to hear Government members telling I will terminate my speech in a few moments. one of their own members to sit down. The honourable member for Wavell claimed that there are no delinquent children but only The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable delinquent parents. I do not agree with him. member will please proceed with his speech. I know a case of five children from a good home, four of whom measured up to the nth Mr. AHERN: I rise to a point of order. degree, while the fifth simply did not. How The honourable member for Windsor spoke can such a case be ascribed to delinquent for exactly the same time as the honourable parents? member for Redlands. Dr. Crawford: That is an exception. The CHAIRMAN: Order! There is no valid point of order. Mr. R. E. MOORE: I suppose the excep­ tion makes the rule. Mr. WRIGHT: That is why the honour­ No doubt the Department of Children's able member for Windsor told the Govern­ Services is trying to do something. No-one ment Whip to go to hell. likes to think that we must have juvenile The Minister outlined six amendments to training prisons such as the one at Woodford. the Children's Services Act 1965-1971. He However, if we have to prevent someone prefaced his explanation of the proposed from getting into trouble during a correction amendments with some comments on the period, no matter how kindly we try to do rapid increase in social problems in the it, we cannot let him run wild, smoke community. He stressed the increased marijuana, stand on top of Perry House responsibility of the Children's Services threatening to jump off and so on. We have Department and the huge financial burden to try to bring him to a state of mind that was being placed on the State in caring in which he will conform to the rules of for women and children who are the product society, and to do that we must keep him of unfortunate domestic situations. He refer­ somewhere. Boys may be sent to Westbrook red to some measures that would clarify until they are 18 years of age, but a certain the powers of the Director of Children's amount of criticism has been ie'velled at Services and tidy up certain aspects of that institution. interim maintenance orders for the Children's De facto relationships raise problems that Services Department issued by the Children's influence children. I am sure all members Court. of Parliament know of de facto relationships Considerable emphasis was placed on the in which two, three or four fathers are real problem in our society that is brought I'esponsible for children born to the one about by the unruly child, the recalcitrant mother. The de facto husband of the time youth or the young offender. It would seem has no great regard for the children of that, regardless of the efforts that have been the other unions-they are somewhat out­ made-and we agree that considerable effort cast. When a break-up occurs in such circum­ has been made-this problem is ever with stances, the mother wants to get all the us. No doubt there has been some success family together again, but very often finds and I am sure that many children and adults one child in the Nazareth Home, another in in rthis State are thankful for the fact that Tufnell Home and so on. One may be brought we have a Department of Children's Services up Roman Ca,tholic, another Church of and for the part it has played in assisting England, and yet another with no religion at them. all. The Department of Children's Services I read with interest last year-I have it becomes involved in situations which are as here-a report entitled "Some Aspects of different as the imagination can conceive. Overseas Penology" by Mr. M. H. W. Lewis, In schools today, if a teacher sees something who was a 1971 Churchill Fellow. J,t is wrong and inflicts a little corporal punish­ an interesting report, and I ask all honourable ment, he has to face hell and high water for members to take the time to read it. The doing so. In my day I got six of the final eight or nine pages are really informative best on quite a number of occasions and from the point of view of the young offender. it did not do me any harm. Perhaps The report was based on a study of overseas corporal punishment would not do any harm penal administration, particularly in the Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973) Amendment Bill 2843

U.S.A., Canada, England and Sweden, and deals with bodily defects and brain injury. visits were also made to parts of Hong Kong It deals with the psychological causes of and Papua New Guinea. crime and with the neurotic criminal. It The problem of the young offender is says, "Much crime probably had its roots obviously not peculiar to Australia, as I in early childhood." I emphasise the word think we would all agree. It is one that is ''probably." confronting every developed nation in the I repeat that we do not really know. We world. The difference between nations is are continually guessing. We can advance not so much the presence of a problem but many reasons that pertain to a particular the measures that have been adopted to try to combat this problem. instance of some child who is under investiga­ tion. But I doubt if we can honestly make The report by Mr. Lewis gives a detailed a generalisation as 'to the real reasons or account of the Borstal training system in causes of this problem of the young offender Britain. He makes particular reference to -the unruly youth. certain practices in England and Wales. He mentions a variety of activities that have We in this Parliament have a respon­ taken place, and the breadth of training that sibility to do something about it. I do not is associated with these various training know the answers, nor would I dare to claim centres that have been set up in an attempt that I do. All honourable members who to rehabilitate the offending youth in our have spoken in this debate admit that we society. Considerable success has been have a problem, and we all agree that some­ achieved, and many instances could no doubt thing must be done. I advocate that Parlia­ be recounted of young people who "made ment take the ini,tiative and that we accept good" because of the benefit they gained our responsbility and, using the instrument from the educational and conditioning pro­ that the Minister has, namely, the Department cess that they underwent in these centres. of Children's Services, set up a special com­ But while some success is apparent, the mission and make available $100,000, if statistics given in this report are very worry­ necessary, to investigate this problem. We ing. They show that in England 55 to should obtain all the brains we possibly can 60 per cent of young offenders released in this State and nation and get them to from senior detention are reconvicted within sit down-get a real "think tank" going­ three years; that 70 per cent of those released and find out what i't is all about. It is from Borstals were also reconvicted within costing the State millions of dollars every three years; and that, of young men released year. I think the Minister said that children's on licence from prison after sentences of services cost $6,000,000 last year. Am I over three months, 75 per cent were also correct in saying that? reconvicted within three years. So it is quite Mr. Herbert: Yes. obvious that we have a very serious problem here. Mr. WRIGHT: I know it is money well I have heard many of the reasons for this spent, but I am sure it could have been problem that are advanced today. Mention put to good use elsewhere. In a few years' has been made of the family unit and of time it will not be $6,000,000 but $16,000,000 the permissiveness that exists in 'today's unless this tide can be stemmed and there society. This report lists some other reasons. is a decrease in the presently growing number It reads- of young people who are breaking the rules "In searching for the reason for this of society. increase a number of factors must be borne I ask that serious consideration be given in mind such as the lowering of the age to this matter. Let us have a special com­ of majority, the lessening of family mission set up and given terms of reference influence, today's greater youth freedom, to look into this matter. Whilst Parliament types of entertainment available, the need should have a say in the appointment of for identity in a regimented age and apart such a commission, I am willing to let the from these generalities attention must be Minister have his head in deciding the terms given to such specific matters as 'youth of reference. Many things have been tried type' crime such as illegal use of motor in an attempt to cope with this very serious vehicles, etc." problem. I was speaking with the Minister The report goes on and on dealing with during the recess about home-care centres for the various reasons. I think we all agree children. I was attempting to have one that there is a problem and that there are established in Rockhampton so that a couple many reasons for it, but I claim that we do of adults could care for 10 or 12 children. not really know the reasons. The Minister told me that there are 30 such I have also read a book, published by the homes in the State. I congratulate the depart­ Social Welfare Department Training Division ment on their establishment, as many Institute of Social Welfare of Victoria. It hundreds of children will benefit from them. deals wi,th crime causation and speaks of But there are many thousands of children mental deficiency, But is says that no detailed who will not have the opportunity to enter studies have ever been made. It talks homes of this type. Such facilities are not about glandular deficiency, and deals with available to all, and we have to do something the problems that exist in that regard. It about it. 2844 Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

I repeat my plea that the Minister give slight. To class the four Brisbane training urgent and deep consideration to setting up centres for girls as juvenile female lock-ups a special commission to investigate the is definite proof that he has never visited problem of young offenders. any of them. lf he had, he would not have said what he did. The accommodation and Hon. J. D. HERBERT (Sherwood­ facilities are of a very high order, and there Minister for Tourism, Sport and Welfare is a very close liaison between the churches Services) (3 .17 p.m.), in reply: It is quite and the department. Anyone who has had obvious that the Committee supports the anything to do with the women of the legislation, as the debate was on the subject religious orders who look after these homes of child welfare generally. I think that mem­ would refute his criticism very smartly. These bers generally have reflected community women have all sorts of arrangements for the interest in this matter. Child welfare seems girls to go home for week-ends, to go out to be one subject on which everyone considers to work, and to take part in local sporting himself an expert, and the reason for that activities under a certain amount of super­ belief is that no-one has yet found an answer vision. So it is quite wrong to regard them to the problems that exist. It has been sug­ as being just some sort of mediaeval gaol. gested that, as the responsible Minister, I should be able to produce all the answers. Dr. Wilson also said in that article that If I could do that I would be canonised. the treatment of the girls is a mockery of This is not merely a problem of Queensland justice. I think Dr. Wilson is using his or Australia; it is world wide. usual imaginative language in an attempt to capture a headline, possibly without I shall take just a few minutes to answer realising what he is doing to his own reputa­ some of the general points raised, in the tion, if any, in this field. knowledge that the legislation is supported. I was happy to hear that the honourable I say to any honourable member who member for Brisbane approves of the train­ has any problem or any doubts in this ing prison at Woodford. It is nearing com­ direction that I will arrange for him to pletion, and it is hoped to have the first visit all the homes, and I will be surprised inmates moving in shortly. The honourable if he comes away other than satisfied. He member pointed out the difference between will find out just how ridiculous Dr. Wilson's the institutions at Woodford and Westbrook, statements are. and he suggested that there should also be The honourable member for Pine Rivers single rooms at Westbrook. The two places spoke about "latch-key" children. With the are materially different. Westbrook has single growth of employment of married women, rooms for certain classes of inmates, and this, of course, is an increasing problem, the layout of the accommodation allows for and there will be more such children in the classification of the boys. Whilst single the future. rooms may prevent homosexual acts between Community centres were suggested by people, they do not prevent individual homo­ one honourable member as the answer to sexuality such as masturbation or any of the this problem. They are not, unless one other problems that beset teenagers. The can make attendance at them compulsory, training officers at Westbrook are continually because the children who are involved in on the alert to prevent homosexual practices. anti-social activity will not go to the centres. However, all that can be said is that they Unless the children are forced to go to are on the alert, because wherever there is community centres and are kept there until a congregation of people of this nature there their mother collects them, the problem will will be problems. Having regard to the ages continue. It gets back to the story that of the boys there, the accommodation nearly every honourable member has men­ arrangements, both single rooms and tioned. This is a matter of parental res­ dormitories, are satisfactory. ponsibility. It is not a matter for legislation, The opening of the prison at Woodford because we cannot legislate to make good will solve some problems for the officers parents out of bad ones. However, they at Westbrook. If a lad escaped from West­ can have support and guidance for the brook, all that could be done was to send family from the department, and they can him back. Now any who escape will be dealt be taught to develop more concern for with in another way, and I think that the their children. problem of escapes from Westbrook will The honourable member for Pine Rivers almost disappear. This will be very grate­ referred also to the problems of the family fully accepted by those people who live of the alcoholic. On behalf of the depart­ between Westbrook and Toowoomba who ment, I thank him for his kind remarks have had to put up with all sorts of problems about its actions in that direction. The pro­ in the past. blem is difficult, and I might add that The honourable member for Brisbane also discussions are under way between the dep­ referred to an article in "The Australian" artment and a denominational body at the in which Dr. Paul Wilson made some observa­ moment to establish a home for families tions on the treatment of girls involved in that are temporarily homeless through the anti-social behaviour. Dr. Wilson has very problem of alcohol. I hope that these little knowledge of the circumstances; the negotiations will be brought to a successful article indicates that his knowledge is very conclusion very soon. Children's Services Act [9 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 2845

The honourable member also answered retrieve their children. The department is quite adequately some of the claims about very careful before it steps in to make the the Woodford training prison, following his final move. visit there. The honourable member for Sandgate men­ Mr. Jensen, the honourable member for tioned the payment of maintenance by Bundaberg, spoke about the use of police parents when their children are in care. It in dealing with the problem. The police is obvious that some cannot afford to pay; already have their responsibilities. The others who can afford to pay are pressed Juvenile Aid Bureau works in with the to do so. Many of them disappear and they Department of Children's Services, of course; cannot be traced, so we have a substantial but the child-care officers of the department backlog. Every endeavour is made to recover are highly trained and are better qualified the money from those who can pay. That to deal with most of the problems than does not mean that we go around dragging is a man who has been trained specifically money out of people who cannot afford it. to be a policeman. It is hoped that eventu­ Very often the ones who can afford it most ally all the work in the field will be handled are the very ones who try to dodge their by trained social workers. obligations. We cannot permit people who The honourable member for Toowong can afford to meet their responsibilities to spoke about the lack of planning in grow­ hand them over to taxpayers who themselves ing cities. This is a very real problem, mi2ht like to have someone help them in one to which a great deal of consideration ca;ing for their children in their early years. must be given, because it is well known that The problem of working out those who should the bigger the city the bigger the problem of pay and those who cannot afford to pay anti-social behaviour. The honourable mem­ is a very complex one. The amendments ber's suggestion that we have people from are designed to help us close the loop-holes the Department of Children's Services that the smart alecs have used to dodge associated with town planning is one that their obligations. should be listened to, because it might help to prevent some of the mistakes that have The honourable member for Wavell is been made in the bigger cities, particularly right when he says that children are not those in the southern States of Australia. basically delinquent and that it is the parents The honourable member for South Bris­ who should accept the responsibility. I am bane said that we should be treating the afraid the problem continues because delin­ cause rather than the result. As I said quent parents raise delinquent children, and before, if I knew the cause I would certainly it is carried on from generation to generation. be working on it. At the moment, we The honourable member mentioned the need c:;tn only work as hard as possible on the to co-ordinate facilities in locating such result. I repeat that most of the influences children and the need to see that they are outside the department. Governments get the assistance required. Even nnw we cannot do anything about outside influences get a great deal of co-operation from other that have an effect on a family. It comes departments, but we could do with a great from within the people themselves and deal more community co-opeution in the their way of life. The answer probably form of persons telling us whenever they lies in self-discipline. Many people are suspect that someone in the district might thinking about how this is best achieved, but nobody has yet come up with the need help. Australians do not like to be answer. regarded as pimps or "top-offs". Sometimes we get malicious calls in the hope that The honourable member referred also to neighbours will see the child welfare workers the rates of family assistance payments. The Bill does not deal with these; they descend on a decent home. Many people are dealt with by regulation. Only yesterday could help us by reporting cases a lot quicker the Executive Council approved of a further than they do, particularly those involving increase in the individual amounts. That cruelty. means a further increase in the bill that the The honourable member for Redlands taxpayer will have to meet to look after the spoke of the growing incidence of child responsibilities of other people. neglect and child delinquency. I can only The honourable member for Sandgate repeat that the problem is not one only spoke about the parental situation and the for the department. It is one for the whole need for parents to maintain an interest in society, and the affluent society seems to their children. The department regards the make the situation worse. We do have a parents as vital in any negotiations it under­ very definite problem at the moment because takes. No matter how bad the relationship, we pay such relatively good pensions now. there is still an emotional tie-up between More and more unmarried mothers are the parents and the children, and regard keeping their child because the allowance must be had to it in any decisions that are paid to an unmarried mother and child, in taken. Even the worst parents get very many cases, is more than the girl was upset when their children are finally taken getting as a junior in a factory. She gets away in their own interests. Some of them the idea that, because she is getting over become quite violent in their attempts to $30 a week, she is well paid, so she keeps 2846 Children's Services, &c., Bill [13 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

the child. She has it for a year, 18 months or two years, and then finds out that the money is not as good as she thought it was. She cannot continue, so she wants to hand over the child. By then she is emotionally involved. The department has real problems then with the child, who might already have been affected. This would not have happened years ago when the child would have been handed over for adoption immedi­ ately. That is just one of the problems we have to cope with. The honourable member for Windsor raised the very important point of the age of consent, which does vary from State to State. I suggest that this is a matter that should be handled on a national basis and a national decision arrived at in the same way as we have done with the voting age. I do not think the age of consent is a matter that should be handled on a State-to-State basis. There is not much doubt that our children today are much more mature than we were at the same age, so possibly some reconsideration could be effected. I also appreciate the honourable member's comments about Mr. Clark. There would not be a more dedicated public servant. He works seven days a week, and often takes calls in the early hours of the morning and acts on them. He is not paid to do this; he does it simply because he has a very real interest in his job. I think he appreciates such sentiments as those voiced by the honourable member for Windsor. The final speaker was the honourable mem­ ber for Rockhampton, who suggested the possibility of a "brain tank" that would really get to work on this problem and possibly spend a great deal of money in doing so. I still do not know that this is the answer. Possibly a Federal investi­ gation would help because, as I say, this is not solely a Queensland problem. It is worse in the other States in the juvenile delinquency field. Unfortunately we head the illegitimacy figures, but in the juvenile delinquency field the situation is worse in the other States than it is here. I appreciate the fact that the Bill has been accepted. I have attempted to answer all the questions that have been raised in this debate, and I commend the motion. Motion (Mr. Herbert) agreed to. Resolution reported.

FIRST READING Bill presented and, on motion of Mr. Herbert, read a first time. The House adjourned at 3.34 p.m.