EI",,, Ser~ Vol. XU!, No.4 WedDesday, Febl1l8l1 26, 1986 PbaJgona 7, 1907 (Saka)
LOK SABRA DEBATES (English Version)
Fiftb Session (Eighth Lok Sabba)
(Ytll. XIII ctJntains Nos. 1 to 10)
LOJ[ SAIIRA SECRETAlUAT NEW DELHI (Oripl EllJlilb proceedillll iIlcluded in Ball_ weraion aDd Orilinal Hindi proceedin81 inclu:ied in Hindi denio. ill be Vtreated u authoritati.e uad DOt the traallatioD thereof.l CONTENTS
No.4, WedneJday, February 26, 1986/Phalguna 7, 1907 (Saka)
CoLUMNS
Oral Answers to Questions 1-29
.Starred Questions Nos. 41 to 45 and 48
Written Answers to Questions 29-240 Starred Questions Nos. 46, 47, 49 to 58 and 60 29-54 Unstarred Questions Nos. 443 to 546 and 548 to 583 54-239
Railway Budget, 1986-87-Presented 240-255
Papers laid on the Table 256-267
Message from Rajya Sabha 267
Motor Vehicles (Amendment) Bill, As Passed by Rajya Sabha 26ii
Committee on Private Members' Bills and Re~olutions 268
Eleventh Report
Estimates Committee 268
Twenty-fifth Report
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance 268-288
Situation arising out of non-settlement of ethnic problems of Tamils in Sri Lanka
Shri P. Kolandaivelu 268
Shri B. R. Bbagat 269
Shri Bhattam Sriramamurty 275
Shri Harish Rawat 279
, Shrimati Bibba Gbosh Goswami 281
• The Sign t marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.
(I) (II)
Motion Re: Joint Committee on Lokpal Bill 288-289
Matters Under Rule 377 289-295
(i) Damage causet:l due to recent hailstorm in Vidbarbha region in Maba- rac;htra and need to provide necessary relief to the people
Shri Banwari Lal Purohit 289
(ii) Repored reduction in sanctioned grant for Tanda Thermal Project, Faizabad, UP and urgent need to coml'lete the project
Shri R. P. Suman 290
(iii) Need to provide adequate financial assistance to Rajasthan for giving relief to farmers affected by heavy rainfall and hailstorm
Sbri Shanti Dhariwal 290
(iv) Measures needed to solve the problem of industrial sickness in West Bengal
Shri Priya Ranjan Das M unsi 291
(v) Need to give financial assistance to cultural institutes in Bihar
Shri C. P. Thakur 292
(vO Urgent steps needed to protect the bistoric fort at Khurda, Orissa and to issue commemorative postal stamps in memory of "Jai Rajguru" and "Buxi Jagabandhu"
Shri Chintamani Panigrahi 292
(vii) Need to withdraw the circular issued by Government of India regarding registration of private medical Practitioners and to amend the Medical Council of India Act
Dr. A. Kalanidhi 293
(viii) Need to amend articles 310 and 311 of the Constitution
Shri Ajoy Biswas
(ix) Licence to tbe Bangalore Water Supply and Sewerage Board for settiol up wireless communication system
~rl V. S. Krishna lye.- (IB)
Motion of Thanks on the President's Address 296-400
Dr. A. Kalanidbi 296
Shri P. Namgyal 302
Shri C. P. Thakur 30S
Shri C. Madhav Reddi 309
Shri Shripati Mishra 31S
Shri Mahabir Prasad Yadav 320
Sbri Somnath Chatterjee 322
Shri Vakkom Purushothaman 333
Sbri Mukul Wasnik 337
Sbri Chintamani Panigrahi 340
Syed Shahabuddin 346
Shri Ajoy Mushran 352
Shri D. P. Yadava 361
Shri P. KoJandaiveJu 370
Sbri Chiranji Lal Sbarma 376
Shri S. B. Sidnal 384
Shri Sbantaram Naik 388
Shri~adan Pandey 393
Shri Balasaheb Vikbe Patil 396
Business Advisory Committee 400
Nineteenth Report LOK SABHA DEBATES
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LOK SABHA THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS~ (SHRI S. B. CHA VAN) : (a) to (f). A statement is given below.
Statement H'ednculay, Ffbru(jrJl 26. 198f/PhaTguna 7, 1907 (Saka) Out of 11 items covered by Memorandum of Settlement signed by Prime Minister and late Sant Harchaod Singh Longowal, so far the following items have been fully imple.. The Lok So')ha met at Eleven of mented : the Clock. Item-l Compensation to innocent persons killed.' (MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] ltem-2 Army recruitment. ORAL ANSWERS TB·QUESTIONS Item-3 Inquiry into November incidents. [Translation] ltem-4 Rehabilitation of those Imp!ementation of Punjab Accord discharged from the Army. ' \ \~ *41. SHRI NARSINH MAKWANAt Itern-6 disposal of pending cases. ' DR. A. K. PATEL: Item-8 Cen tre-State relations. WIll the Minister of HO~\-iE AFFAIRS Item-10 Representation of minori- be pleased (0 state: ties.
(a) the steps taken to implenlent the 2. The positi)o in respect of items so Punjab Ac~ord concluded between Prime far not fully impJ~mented is as fonows : Minister and late Shri Harchand Singh Longowal; I tem-7 : Territarial Claims
(b) when the Mathew Commission Paragraph 7.1 and 7.3 of the accord are submitted its report to Government and inter-connected Paragrapb 7.1 deals with whether Government accepted it; transfer of Chandigarh to Punjab and transfer (\f certain areas of UT Cbandigarh (c) the nature of hindrances erupted in to Punj3b and H:uyana respectively. Accord- the implementation of this Accord and the ing to paragraph 7 3 the actual transfer of steps being taken to remove th~m ~ Chand;garh to PUl'hb will take place simul- taneously with transfer of areas in lieu of (d) th~ time by which th: above agree- Chandigarll to IJaryana. ment will b~ fuBy im~tl!mented; Mathew Commi~sion which was appointed (e) whether the recommendation of the pursuant to parag! aph 7.2 of the Accord Mathew Commission to appoint a fresh submitted its Report cn 25th January, J986. Commission ha~ been accepted by Govern- The Commhsion found tbat it cannot ment; and recommend transfer of any Hindi-speaking areas of Punjab to Haryana because the (f) if so, by \\ hat time the new Comnlis- villages and to\\ ns in she Fazilka·Abohar ~ion is likely to he apP<'inted ? a reas of Punjab identified by it as Hindi- 3 Oral A",w~r, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Oral Answer, 4 speaking do not satisfy the criterion of [English] contiguity. The Mathew Commission has DR. A. K. PATEL: Did the Mathew observed that it is for the Government of Comnlission desire last year to have a India to take such suitable steps as it deems language census in Abohar, Fazilka and fit including the appointment of a Commis- Kandukheda and the Government did not sion. to give effect to the general intention of agree to it? Then, why did Government Salt. Indira Gandhi to transfer some Hindi- penni t the same language census just ten speaking territories in Punjab to Haryana in days before, on 26th January 1986-when lieu of Chandigarh. Pursuance to this, the the atmosphere was surcharged-resulting in Home Minister has held discussions with the great bitterness between Punjab and Chief Ministers of Punjab and Haryana Haryana? witb a view to deciding the further course of action. SHRI S. B. CRAVAN : The first part As regards other items, action regarding of the question is not correct. an AU India Gurudwara Bill (item-5) is under way, a Tribunal has been appointed SHRI CHARANJIT SINGH WALIA to adjudicate the claims regarding share in Mr. Speaker, Sir, may I ask the Minister tbe waters of Ravi-Beas system and construc- whether the Rajiv-Longowal Accord was tion of tbe SYL canal is being monitored approved by Parliament. ]f so, was Parlia- (item-9) and various steps are being taken ment taken into confidence for changing the for promotion of Punjabi-language (item·ll). date of transfer of Chandigarh from 26th of January? May I know the persons responsi- SHRI NARSINH MAKW ANA : Mr. ble for the contempt of the House and tbe Speaker, Sir, the Home Minister had held elements inside and outside Government who talks with the Chief Ministers of Punjab and are trying to scuttle tbis Accord ? Haryana on the question of transfer of some villages to Haryana in lieu of Chandigarh. SHRT S. B. CHA VAN : So rar as the I want to know from him whetber some Punjab Accord is concerned, the Rouse was agreement is likely to be reached between tbe kept informed. There was no Question or Chief Ministers? two any approval of the House and tberefore the question or any contempt of the House SHRI s. B. CHAVAN : Sir, during the does not arise. The transfer of Chandigarb talks that were held between the two Chief to Punjab is a matter on which the Govern- Ministers, I had impressed upon them to ment is fully committed. There is no find a way out to resolve tbis issue. Tbey question of going back so far as the question met twice but no concrete proposals have of transfer of Cbandigarh to Punjab is emerged so rar. It would be a better course concerned. But in the Accord itself. if the if tbey come to a mutual agreement. hon. Member would go through it, be will find that this is dependend on some of tbe SHRI NARSINH MAKWANA: Mr. Hindi speaking areas going to Haryana, in Speaker, Sir, I want to know from the hon. lieu of Chandigarh. And these two things Minister whether the Tribunal appointed to have to happen simultaneously. adjudicate the claims regarding Ravi·Beas waters is acceptable to both the sides or not. SHRI P. NAMGYAL : Mr. Speaker, Another thing which I want to know is what Sir, the Mathew Commission could not arrangement bas been made for monitoring recommend it because of non-existence of the construction of the SYL canal and by contiguity as village Kandukbera is coming when tbis work is likely to be completed ? in between Abohar-Fazilka and Haryana. In the light of this may, J know whetber tbe SHRI S. B. CHAV AN: Sir, a Bill on Government at any stage considered to bave sharing of waters was introduced in the a corridor either througb tbat villago or House yesterday only and jf you go through through Rajasthan, being the neighbouring tbe Bill, you will find tbat it will be binding State, to have a link between Abobar- on both tbe States. As regards tbe Question Fazilka and Haryana with a view to enabJin. about the construction. the Water Resources to implement tbe Accord and Hindi speakin, pep.JlamQf " doins its monitoriDB, "reas SOjD~ to He!}'a,.. ~ dral Anjwe~, PHALGUNA ;, 1907 ($~A) Oral AnlWe" 8
SHRI s. B. CHA VAN: If I remember them that we were prepared to extend what- correct, after the signing of the Accord, there ever assistance they wanted if they thou&bt was no such proposal which was put forth conducting of Census was necessary and it before the Government or before the Mathew was in this light that the entire machinery Commission. Du t before tbe Punjab Accord of the Registrar General of India was placed was signed, there was some proposal at some at their disposal. stage but it could not be agreed to. [English] [Translation] SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: SHRI CHARANJIT SINGH A TRW AL : Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are very anxious tbat the Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Census held in 1961 Punjab Accord should be fully implemented. was also held under tension and that Census We are very unhappy and worried also has not been accepted as correct to date. I that there has not been implementation of am aware of it because my village also falls the accord which has resulted in inflaming in that area. Census was held there twice passions also and the extremists are gaining thereafter, once in 1971 and then again in strength about which we are all perturbed 1981. The Commission did not accept even and we are against that. The point is .....• the Census of 1981 as correct. It was MR. SPEAKER: Is there any reason because of this that the Government had for doing thing, if this does not happen? again to conduct Census there uDder tension. Is there any reason that the terrorists should Even the Census of 1981 was not accepted as rise, more tha n that ? correct although it was conducted by tbe Government employees. There may be a PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE; number of villages in Haryana, Himachal Passions do not need any reason. Prades~ and Rajasthan where majority of the population is Puojabi speaking. I want 10 know from the hone Minister whether the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Government would agree to conducting The point is that the good agreement whicb a fresb Census in the said villages if a has not been implemented is due to some demand to the effect that they want to be drift, mishandling of tbe position. The included in Punjab is raised tomorrow ? agreement does not post ulate that the transfer of territory should be restricted to SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: God forbid, if Fazilka and Abohar. But somehow tbe some commission is appointed and tbat Mathew Commission only went into that. commission makes the recommendation that The question is, some other areas win have a fresh Census is required to be conducted, to be given in lieu of Chandigarh. According then it is possible. Government did not to the reply, it seems that after the fiasco conduct Census there on its own. If a of the Mathew Commission, the only step commission recommends that conducting a that has been taken by the Government is fresh Census is necessary, it cannot be that the Home Minister is having diSCUSSions overruled. with the Chief Ministers of Punjab ud Haryana with a view to deciding the futther SHRI CHARANJIT SINGH ATHWAL: course of action. We have seen how the Can the Government order a Census, if they Chief Minister of Haryana has indulged-fn 10 desire, even ber ore the findings of tbe chauvinistic .•.•.• Commission are received, because in the present case the survey was conducted at the MR. SPEAKER: Please put the behest of tbe Centre 'I question. I am not allowing. This is diversion. Not aHowed. SHR} S. B. CHAVAN : I think the bon. Member is not fully informed. The Centre (Interrltptions) never said tbat Census should be conducted there. It was not the view of the Central SHRI SOMNA TH CHA ITEllJEE : This Government, it was tbe Commission that had is a very sensitive matter. Therefore ) am asked ~ whether w.: could help tbem in the pLltting it carefully. What ~ the c~ncrete event of tlieir conductml a' CeDsus. 'We told step that is' being taken by the GoverDDiedt "' 1 Oral A.nswer, FEBRUARY 26. 1986
Is there any time-frame fixed within which Commission says. Unfortunately, tbe this implementation will be made and the Commission has given a report which did exchange will take place ? not Jnake it possible for us to take certain action on the 26th January as we would SHRI S. B. CHAV AN: First of all, have liked to. I would like to remove the wrong impression that the hon Member has in his PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It mind that the extremists are indulging in wa s anticipated. extremism or terrorism because of the non- implementation of the accord. (lnter .. SHRI RAJIV GANDl-TI: It was ruptionl) First of all, I think hoo. Members not anticipated. I do not anticipate what must be aware of this. (Interrupt iOI1~) judges do in the Commission. You might Hon. Members must be aware of the fact be anticipatmg that. The only point that (Interruptions). I think you will allow me I am coming to IS that there is no deviation now to reply. You have put the question, in th~ implementation of the I have a right to reply. (lnterrupliolls) accold. It is . ac~ording to what the Commission 81)8. We ale now MR. SPEAKER: OrJeJ, order. I do doing precisely \\ hat tlle Commi'lsion has not like this. You think it IS your pal t to r~cI..Hnmend~d. It has recommended that interject the pro~eedings every time. I do we should try to have a settlement between not like this. the two Chief Ministers or set up another Commis~ion. We are looklOg at both the SHRI S. B. CHA VAN: I can \\-ell aspects. v.,'e have been in touch with both unders tand the unpalatable part of reply the Chief Mmisters and after this process is you will get. I would lIke to remove the hopefully cone luded, we will take the next impre3sion. Hon. Members must be aware step soon. of the fact that the extremists are totally opposed to the accord itself. So, there in SHRI DHARAM PAL S]NGH no question of this portion not being done MALIK: Our late hOD. Prime Minister Mrs. and that portion Dot being done. That is Indira Gandhi had mamtained that Haf}.aoa besides the point altogether. If the hon wilJ get Hindi-spt.!aking VIllages of Abohar Member would go through the reply, he and Fazilka areas of Punjab in lieu of will find most of the points where the action Chandigarh and a corridor was to be "as to be taken, have been implemented. provided through the land of village Khendu Mathew Commission has given its report Khera to connect the said ,illages with ~Dd in the report itself, they have ~id Hanana. The present award also contains either the Government can consider almost a similar Language. It means that bringin~ both the parties together for the wishes of the late Pnme Mmister can be discussiolE the points with them or appointing fulfilled only when the villages of Abobar another Commission. Before we take any and Fazilka including the corridor through further step, it is very necessary that Yte village Kendukhera are transferred to abould discuss with the parties so that we Harjana. So, Sir, in tbese circumstances 40 Dot again come to tbe same conclusion may I know from the hone Minister whether as the previous Commission, had come. the transfer of Chandigarh and the Hindi .. What needs to be done is a matter which speaking areas of Abohar and Fazilka will will bave to be discussed with them and that . be dealt with as a package deal to give is exactly what we are discussing. justice to Haryana including the corridor through village J(endukhera. THE PRIME MINiSTER (SHRI RAllV GANDHI) : I wi)} add one word to that. MR. SPEAKER: It is again a repetition. If you look. at the accord that was signed, if You couldrbave put a question whatever I remember correctly. para 7 which deals you liked. with tbe sPFific question of Cbandigarh, we , have not deviated from that. We were, SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: aCco~.ding to tbat accord, required to set up My Question is : whether the transfer of a ~Commission and BO according eo what the Hindi-speakio$ Yil"es. of A~¥r and ~ Oral Answers PHALGUNA 7. 1901 (SAKAj Oral AnsWetl 10
Fazilka including the corridor through was a total breakd')wn of all normal village Kendukhera to connect them With channels of communications h.!tween PDRY Haryana wiJI be dealt as a package deal and outside world from 13th to 27th January, wjth the transfer of Chandigarh. 1986. While the fighting was an entirely an internal affair of PDRY a large number of SHRI S. B. CHAVAN: As far as the foreign nationals present in that country question of providing a corridor, I have including about 3000 Indian nationals were already replied to one hon. Member as to affected. what the position is. After the signing of the accord, no such proposal was discussed All possible efforts were made to get in and if the hon. Member would go through touch with our Embas~y in Aden through the accord itself, he will definitely come to channels aVuilable with Sovi t and British know that transfer of Chandlgarh and Govcrnm~nb. Their ships w!lich happened transfer of Hmdl-speaking areas to Haryana- to be in th.: 'wic 1nlty of AJl n were helping these two actions have to be simultaneous in thl: eVd...:uatlOtl 01 foreign ilational<\ from and it is provided in the accord itself. Aden anJ they agreed nn ('ur request to eV:1:ud.l~ Indian 1I.1110tl~ls. ,\I.,'cdrdingly some Security of Indian Nationa~s in South 42) IndlJ.o o..!tion 1I5 were a\Jcu3t~d from Yemen AJC1 to Djibouti on tht:se ships between Jdnull y 17 10 2~. Simu!t ..ll)euu~ly tbe *42. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDyt: ShipPlllg CJrpJf.llion of India was SHRI ANANIA PRASAD imrn~Jiately ask.:;!J to dIvert their cargo ships SETHI: to DjIbouti. A ::corJingly two ships-the ~dharm th~ Will tll~ Minister of EXrER~AL V Isha \ and VIsha \ aumang were AFFA1RS be pleased to state: able to bring 6) anJ 63 Indian evacuees to B.J!nbay on January 31 and February 7 4iip'=';lallv (to whether in re~ent interllal ViStU r- respectlvdy. A c..h:lftered Air India bances in South Yemen, the re;)iJen~e of pJanl! wa~ al.~J S;!llt to DjlbJJti anJ 4-t Injian Indian Amb lssajer was atta;keJ and nat!Onal5 along wllh 110 from Bangladesh several Indians were killed, injurej anj and Sfl L lJka w~r~ eva~~at\!d by air on stranded; 27th Jallu.try, 1985. MJr~ Injlan nationals w~re evacuated by c.)mmercial fl.ghts arranged (b) if so, the details thereof; by th~ir resp.!~ive e.lliJloyers.
(c) tbe steps ta.lcen by Union Govern- The G.Jv~rn,n-!nt of Injia also despatched ment to give protection to the life and an InJian N.lvy frigat~ to the vicinity of property of Iniiar) nltionals in South AJ~n in t 11~ l.1:>t 'N.!ek \.)~ Jaa.J Il y tJ be Yemen; a'vaildble for as;,isting th! evacuation process. (d) the steps taken to eva:UJte them from South Yemen; Through eVdcu~es who cam~ tl) Djibouti (e) wheth:r the q J}stion of paym~nt of from Ajen it was harnt thlt about 800 compensation to the bereaved fdmilies of Indians w.!re awaiting evacU.ltio~ but the the Indian killed has b~n taken up with the local auth-.>rities w~re reluctant to allow South Yemen Government; and them to ]eJve since their services were (f) if so, the outcome thereof" considered essentjal during that period.
THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL The PDRY AmbassaJor in Delhi was AFFA1R-S (SHR.I B. R. BHAGAT) : (8) to requested to contact his Government (f). A statement ,is given below. immediately to allow our nationals to leave in view of the a ttandant risks. Dince he was Statement not able to get in touch with his Government we requested the Soviet Government to get " Internal disturbances in the Peop]e·s in touch with our Mission in Aden as well Democratic' Republic of Yemen began on as the PDR Y Government to faCilitate the fcireno'on of 13th (january. 1986. There expeditous evacuation. We had _ kept in drat ~".). WIt', i 1
readiness arrangements to evacuate our It has now been confirmed that the 11 nationals by air from Aden all this time. Indians kiJIed were in their mess at tbeir cam..'-site on the outskirts of Aden. They As soon as telex communication were were kiUed when they were hit by tank fire restored with our Mission in Aden on 29th on January. According to eye-withnesses. January the Mission was asked to finalise their bodies were mutilated and burnt beyond local arrangements for evacuation of Indian recognition and could not be identified nationals in consultation with the PDR Y individually. The remains have been buried Gov~rnrncnt. By that time the situation was by their friends and local authorities as it beginning to normalise and the number of was not possible either to preserve the few Indians wanting to be evacuated steadily remains or to send them to their relatives at fell. Flights to and from Aden started the height of the fighting. Four other operating towards the beginning of February. workers were injured-two of them seriously. Ambassador of Inola in the PDRY I Shri They bad been given medical treatment and Manners, reached Aden from Djibouti on the PDR Y Government would be 7th February. Eat Iler he had rea"hed repatriating them to India. No other Djibouti on 22nd January to receive the serious injuries were reported amongst evacuees from Aden and to evacuate them Indian nationals who are all reported to be to India with tbe hell' of our Hon. Consul safe. On our taking up the matter with them, General and other members of the Indian the POR Y Government has since agreed to community who mobilised all their available pay compensation to the families of the resources to belp fellow nationals in deceased Indians as well as to those who distress. were injured. Reports of the rleath of 11 of our natianals were received from evacuees when The residence of our Ambassador in they reached Djibouti from Aden. As soon Aden has suffered damage. It was reported as telex communications were restored witb that on 16 January some soldiers stormed Aden, the Mission was asked to confirm into the house and fired on the servant who these reports and to obtain details from was injured on his right arm. It would PDRY anfhorities. Simultaneously PDRY appear that soldiers temporarily used tbis Ambassador in Delhi was asked to convey building during the fighting which took place our serious concern to his Government in tbe vicinity. There was, however, no about the reported deaths and about the need major damage to the belongings in tbe to assure the safety and security of our other house. nationals in the country. He was also asked to convey his Government's urgent Throughout the fighting, whiJ~ many concurrence to allow a) I Indian nationals other foreign Embassies were closen and who wished to be evacuated without any their personnel evacuated our Embassy further delay. personnel continued at their post and none of them bas been evacuated. Thei r The Joint Secretary in the Ministry functioning was hampered during the looking after Gulf affairs was ent to Aden fighting and like other Indian nationals on a five-day visit from 11th to 15th they bad to face considerable hardship. February for on-the-spot assessment of the situation. During bis stay in Aden the Joint During the height of tbe fightiag due to Secretary met representatives of a cross Q.reakdown of aU communications our section of Indian community incJuding officials were trapped in the Chancery and wOJkcrs, d.;ctors, lecrurers, nurses. JTEC their families in their respective houses experts and others. With very few exceptions without electricity and water. lbeir courage they indicated the desire to continue working in the face of severe phytical and 1 mcotal in PDRY as they felt that the worst was hardship and suffering is commeoda"•• over and the situation was steadily The PDRY Government has also expressed normalising itself. Only about 80 persons great appreciation of the timely services desired to be evacuated and the Embassy has rendered by Indian doctors. nurses and been asked to make arrangements for their others during tbe disturbances. The PDRY evacuation in consultation wiJh their Government has also expre.d their dte., employ«s. resret to tbe GovCfDment of _ India for I ~ Oral ,4",,,,r. PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Anrwus 14
tbe difficulties wbich Indian nationals had to immediately. These families have to be paid (ace during the disturbances. something immediately. But notbing has been done . . Sl.fRI E. AYY APU REDDY : I find from the a.lswer that part (0 of my question My next supplementary is this. What bas Dot been answered. That is the question are the steps which will be taken hereafter to of compensation to the 11 bereaved familie~ see that communications are not disturbed of the few persons who were injured. It is on account of local violences between our merely stated that the question Embassy and the Union Government ... of compensation has been agreed to by the Government of Yemen. MR. SPEAKER ; How can he assure What exactly is the position ? Has the that? quantum of compensation been determined and decided? Has and instalment been SHRI E. A YYAPU REDDY : What paid to the dereaved families? Has any are the steps the Union Government is first instalment been paid to the bereaved taking, in view of this experience, to see famities so far ,nd if not whether the Union that communications are not disturbed or at Government itself will pay compensation to least to see that there is safeguard and these bereaved families having regard to the security so far as commun icatioDs are fact that even tho dead bodies could not be conc;!med between the Embassy and the sent back to their families. Government.
SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : The statement is SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: In a very comprehensive and it deals with the question extraordinary, abnormal situation of violence. of compensation as the position obtained at communication is 1he first thing that is that time. We sent our special representative, disrupted. It happens everywhere. a Joint Secretary from the Ministry. He went there and discussed with the Yemen MR. SPEAKER That is the first authorities. the Foreign Minister himself the casualty. question of paying compensation to the 11 persons who died. Unfortunately the bodies SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : Despite total were so mutilated that they could not be lack of communication, we made earnest recognised. They were beyond any recognition efforts to contact our embassy and we were and they were buried by the workmen who able to establish it through lhird Countries. At were there. So the question of handing o~er the earliest moment, we sent our plane, we the bodies does not arise. sent our ships, we sent our Navy also to the region. We made every attempt to Regarding the compensation question, establish contacts. the Deputy Minister for Construction who is in charge of this-these are all workers SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY : By what engaged in construction activities-assured time are they expected to be paid compensa- our Embassy that he is taking up this matter tion? and giving aU priority to the payment of compensation, and I hope that it will be SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: The first completed very soon. instalment of compensation may have been paid I will find out. Our Ambassador is SHRf E. AYYAPU REDDY: I have engaged every day in this- This is the topmost not received any answer at a1l. It is nlereiy priority. in tbe air that compensation will be paid; that has been there from the statement of SHRI Al\ANTA PRASAD SETHI : the Joint Secretary for a long time. What are I appreciate the steps taken by the the concrete steps that have been taken in Government for the evacuation of the this regard ? Has the quantum been worked Indian nationals, those who were affected. out? Are they paying in instaJments? He But at the same time I would like to know has not mentioned anything. What is the from the hone Minister by what time all the quantum of compensation? Are steys being Indian nationals affected are going to be taken to work out the compensation ? Let evacuated. As mentioned in the statement • anticipation, pay sometbios about 3,000 'pdjan nationals ba\'~ ill ~ beeu ""D, ) . IS Oral A.nswers FEBRUARY 26. 1986
41fected during the recent fighting. What Ambassador who was stationed in Djibouji steps have Government taken to evac\\'lte all was asked to go immediately to Aden which those Indian notionals ? Moreover, yo~ have be did on the 7th February itself. Our Joint mentioned in the statement also that 800 Secretary, whom we sent from here, reached Indian nationals are still awaiting evacuation, there on 1 J th February. So we were able ttl but the local authoriti es ale rC~'lctant to estahli~h contact~ al) soon and immediately aUow them because thelr serVIC\!;; are as we were in a position to do so. We considered essential. May I know from the contacted the families of tbos~ who were bon. Mmister what steps Govclnment is killed and aU those wh~ were injured and going to take to ensure safety of the Indians rendering of all pOSSIble assistance had been there '1 done.
MR. SPEAKER : There is a whispering SHRI SURESH RU~UP: My question campaign going on in the House. PI ease was not leplied to properly. You should protect me Sir. All the information were stop it. printed in the Press on the 4th and on the SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : So fdC as 3rd I teiephou.;d from my constituency to evacuatlon of tbe Indian p~r50ni1el or workers {be M nlster of State in the Ministry of there is concerned, at the tHne of the cnSIS, ExtclOJI Affairs to know whether such and when the confhct was going on, as soon as such persons wen~ killed. He said that there we got contact, we were able to evacuate was no information. But all these infor- more than 400 by ship and by plane. When mation were printed in the Press' on the 1fe sent our Joint Secretary, he met reprelOlen- next day. .tatives of aU of tllem At ond time about 500 Indians bad de~iraed to be evac'J'lted. He , SHRI B.,R. BHAGAT : My collegue contacted them and he off.;red to (hem that mforms me that the same day, he' sent assistan e would be given to anyone who telegrams to every famI1y himself. wi~bed to be evacuated to India or other places of safety. But because the SituatIon SHRI SURESH KURUP : On which bad normalised, they were not willing to date? come away, and th~ Government of PDRY also wanted parucuJarly thl! doctors, nurses. THE MINISTER OF STAlE IN THE and other techntcal persons who were MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS engaged in the construction activilles to (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : I don't continue we asked that security must be recollect the exact date; but the day I got assured to them. Now thc!:le people were not a telex from Yemen, the same day, the same willing to be evacuated; but the offer wac; eventng 1 sent telegrams to all the eleven there that anyone willmg to be evacuated famihes whose addresses I had been infor- med and the Press was also informed. will be evacuated.
SHRI SURESH KURUP : There are SHRJ SURESH KURUP: This is a compialOts from the famIlies of those who sorr} state of affairs SLr. All those people are dead that the Extern:ll Affairs Mlni~try who were kliled were very poor people. did not show even the pnmary courtesy to inform them prop~rly even after the~e MR. SPEAKER Next question by information were printed in the Press I Smt. Klshori Stnha. would lIke to know from the Mmister on which date the details about tho~e who were Science Advisory Council dead in Yemen reached the Exlernll\ AfLurs *43. SHRIMATI KISHORI Ministry and whether their famIlies were SINHA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to informed about it and If so on wlJit;h dille and whether there was a delay, if so, why state : that delay occurred. (a) whether a Science Advisory Council for the Prime Minister has been set up; SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: The interna- tional flights to and fro Aden were restored (b) whether there is also a Science ip. tbe first week of February 1986. Our Advisor to the Prime Minister; and PHALGUNA '. 1907 (SAKA)
(c) if so, what different functions the a difference of nomenclature. The advice Council and the Advisor will perform with- given to the Hon. Prime Minister win be out any duplication? available to the Cabinet and the advice given THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to the Cabinet will also be available to the MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- Prime Minister. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: It is ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE becau'ie the Prime Minister is a part of the (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. Cabinet. SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Yes. (b) Yes Sir, the designation is Scientific Advisor. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: But accountability to whom ? (c) The functions of Science Advisory Council are : SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL The previous Council was advising the Cabinet To advise the P.M. on Committee on Science and Technology and through Cabinet Committee on Science and 1. Major issues facing Science and Technology to Council of Ministers. Here Technology. the advice is given to the hon. Prime Minister and it will be available to the entire 2. The health of Science and Techno- Government. (Interruptions). logy in the country and the direc- tion in which it should move. AN HON. MEMBER: Why did you change it ? 3. A perspective plan for 2001 A.D. SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL Because it The Council will also look at speci· do~s not make any difference. fic problems with differents, sCientIfic departments, policies, SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA I priorities for research and techno- wanted to know whether these changes and logy missions etc. The Council has the shifting of some important scientists like been empowered to appoint sub- Dr. VaradJrajan and Prof. Yasb Pal from groups to study specific subjects. their posts in February 1986, were all related The Scientific Adviser wiH advise to tbe Prime Minister's publicly expressed the Prime Minister on a continuing dissatisfaction with the Science and Techno- basis on matters concerning science logy e~tabHshment over its inability to provide Science and Technology missions and technology policy, in addition to the specific problems referred for development that he wanted? If so, to him. He wiJl also have the whether these changes prec;age induction of responsibility for monitoring the fre"h hloot! in the Science and Technology overall implementation of the estahlishment. Science and Technology plan in THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV consultation with the concerned GANDHI) : I think fhat was not the idea Mtnistries/Departments. at aU. The idea was that certain scientific inputs are added in the specific areas where SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA : The Prof. Yash Pal and Sbri Varadarajan have answer given is exhaustive. But at the same been put. It was not because they were not time I would like to know tbe reasons for working. I t was because they were workina designating the Science Advisory Council to well. We wanted a positive input in more the Pr!me Minister and not to tbe Cabinet areas. That is why we have put them there. as was the position before the reconstitution in February 1986 particularly when there is PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, a Scientific Advisor to advise the Hon. Prime I would like to know from tbe hone Minister Minister. whether be is aware of the fact that tbe famous astro-physicist Dr. Narendikar had ~JlI SHlVRAJ V. PATIL This is publicly made some sussestions reprdiDJ J9 Oral Ifnswers FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Oral Answer, 20
structure of Scientific Advisory Council and Affairs has stated in his reply that differenees its powers and functions. Is he aware of persist on some important aspects of the them? What is the response of the Govern- proposed treaty. I want to know from the ment to those suggestions ? hone Minister what are tbose important aspects '1 Simla Agreement was signed in SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : At present, 1972 but it has not so far been ratified. be is the member of the Scientific Advisory Similar is the problem of Kashmir. On the Council and he has tbe facility to express his other hand, training is being given to the views sitting as a member in the Council extremists in Pakistan so tbat they could and his advice would certainly be available spread terror in Punjab. It is within the to the Government and after examining the knowledge of the Government of India that advice given by him and the Council in the tbey are receiving training in Pakistan. I appro priate manner, action can be taken. want to know whether the Government of Pakistan will hand over these extremists to PROF.MADHU DANDAVATE: My the Government of India? question was whether be is aware of the fact and whether he has publicI} made some SHRI B. R. BUAGAT . The most import- suggestions? He can say 'I am not aYvare of tant question on which dtfferences persist is that'. that we are in favourof solving all issues mutually through peaceful means on the basis SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: I believe after of the principle of bilateralism under the Simla his statement, I have bad a long session with Agreement. Not only that, we want to go the Science Advisory Council and we have even beyond that. We want that the foreign agreed on certain mode of operation for the powers which create tension between our Council and they ale g(.'ing abead witb that. two nations should not be allowed to do so. India and Pakistan hold divergent views as PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The to what should be the draft of the proposed Prime Minister is more informed. treaty. There is need to narrow down the differences. Proposal for Peace Treaty with Pakistan The second thing, and an important one .44. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA : on which differences persist is that none of SURI CHINTAMANI PANI- the two countries should allow a third GRAHl: country to bUJld bases in their respective countries. On this, Pakistan has said that it Will the Minister 0 f EXTERNAL is an assault on their sovereignty. Although AFFAIRS be pleased to state: they maintain that they have not allowed any c"'untry to establish their bases itl (a) whether it is a fact that Pakistan Pakistan nor do they intend to do so, but during recent bilateral talks has accepted a we do not agree with them. We hold proposal of India regarding a peace, friend- different positions on both these vital points, ship and cooperation treaty; but a number of rounds of talks have (b) jf so, tbe details thereof; and been held in this regard and this process will continue in future as well. (c) if not, what are the views of Pakistan SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: My second in tbis regard '1 supplementary is that it is true that there should be a treaty of peace and friendship THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL between India and Pakistan so that both AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT) : (a) to the countries could progress, but I want to (c). Discussions on a draft Comprehensive know whether tbe Reagan Government of Treaty of Peace and Friendship are conti- U.S A. is creating hindrances in the path of nuina. Differences persist on some impor- taot aspects of the proposed treaty. this treaty '1 Has the External Affairs Minister held talks in tbis regard with [Translollonl U.S.A. ?
SHRI CHITIA MAHATA : Mr. SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : During the _Spe .. ~er, ~ir, lhe bop. Jdipister 9f ~tCJlla! course of discussioP' 1 ~e)d wh}l V.S.A., 21 dral Answers PHALGUNA 7. t901 (SAKA) Oral AlUwerl 22
they have categorically stated that they are in Pakistan in the training, arming and favour of corJial relatio:t,) anj fri~njship bet- harbouring the extremist s from Punjab will ween India and P J.kist Ul and that there shou~d affect adversely this process of confidence be a treaty under which friendly relations building and peace and friendship between should d:velop not only between India and the two countries. I have said that in the Paki.,tan but amouJ all the countries in six-point agreement of 17th December, tbe South A~ia. Su:h view, w.!re expressed by Prime Mtnister's visit to Islamabad would them categorically. be the culmination of all these peace-making activities and the signing of ~ace and (English] friendship treaty would be seen as an historic event. But that visit will be depending SHR[ CHlNfAMAN£ PANIGRI\HI : upon the satisfactory progress of all these Ye~terday we were told in this Hou~a that matters -matters of trade, the Defence as 1\)l1g as Pa~istan continu~J to be involved Secretary's talks, the Foreign Secretary's in a~tivitie~ inim:cal to [njia su,;h as arming visits, tbe Joint Commission meeting and and tr.l;;tin; of t~rrJ:I-;t:) in special camps other various mettings. A calendar bas and oth~rwise ~n5isting th:!m, there cannot been drawn up. A definite and concrete be any im;:>rov~[])~nt in Indo-Pakistan framework for a peace and friendship treaty relatiorn. But according to the pre')s depends on the satisfactory progress of aU reports today, when some of the Pakistani these things I said that at the present journalists asked Zla·ul-Haq whether in moment, that point hJ.s still not been view of the fr~sh evidence avaihble to India. reached. that extremists are being trained in Pakistan camps there was any p~5sibility of our Prime SHRI CHINfAMANI PANIGRAHI : Minister's visit to Pakistan in thPhilippines, Shri Zia~u!-Hug perhaps would atta.:k the nuclear installations of tbe ieels. tbat the visit of Shri Rajiv Gandhi to other country. I would lik.e to know this country at this moment might help him whether it has been followed up by aoy and prop him up. He may be thinking tbat regular drafting of an agreement and whether be would get the six billion dollar aid from the agreement has been signed. America if he says that he is trying to improve the situation. In this background, SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : This matter of I would like to know the realities of the not striking the nuclear fa;ilities in both the situation in view of these events that are countries was also discussed when the developing. Foreign Secretary visited Islamabad. Tbere h:ls been so:ne discussion but there was some SHRI B. R. Yesterday, tbis BHAGAT: difference in perception about tbe positions matter was discussed in great detail in the of the two countries. This will be followed Calling Attention and I have said that in tbe up further. process of building up friendly and cooperative relations or a framework of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What fr~endsbip peace and with Palddan, there is the diifl!rence in 'not attacking9 ? are certain positive factors and there are certain negative factors. One of the negative MR. SPEAKER : That means you do factors is that the continued involvement of not attack J FEBRUAR.Y 26, 1986
SHRI B. R. BHA<3AT : ~HRI R. L. BHATIA :Sir, the Pakis- I had answered taoJ Minister bas made a statement in their tbat question earlier. We arc going beyond House witb regard to the communal the Simla Agreement. We have the draft situation in India; secondly America is giving fremework of peace and friendship treat)'. massive aid to Pakistan; and thirdly there is This we have given to Pakistan. This interference by Pakistan in our affairs. In clearly determines the durable framework view of all these facts, I would like to know of peace between these two countries. We whether there is still a need for a peace are going beyond tbat. treaty with them, especially When we have the Simla Agreement and the Delhi Zonal Cadres for Indian Administrative Agreement. Will it not be a superficial Service arrangement between the two countries while these three problems continue to be there *45. SHRI MURLIDHAR MANE: between our two countries ? SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT :
SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : Sir, so far as Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased tbe question of U. S. position regarding the to state: aid to Pakistan is concerned, we had al ready explained yesterday and we want to make it (a) whether Government are considering clear that we have made it known to the to create zonal cadres for Indian Adminis- U.S. Governm!nt and the allthorities there trative service; that it will result in the arms race and it affects tbe stability a:1d pea~e in this region. (b) if so, the details thereof; and " It creates more tensi0n and also to the extent that we have to divert our d:w~lop· (C') how the creation of zonal cadres mental resources to defence. It is a grea will streamline the administrative culture in burden on us. This point lias been made. the country ?
Secondly, tbe position is regarding THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Afghanistan. There Indo-U. S. r~latjons'lip MINISTR Y OF PERSONNEL. PUB LIC under some mis-conceptions. The building GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. up of good and friendly relations with CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) No Sir. U.S.A. does not mean that we are distancing ourselves from our earlier position in our relations with other countries. (b) and (c). Do not arise. Our principled position has been that our relationship with one country does not mean SHRI MURLIDHAR MANE: May I that it is at tbe cost of another country. know from the han. Minister whether the Our relationship with the Soviet Union is a Government has ruled out the Zonal special relationship of more than three Cadres? Is it trlle that the lAS officers decades and it has a solid foundation of and promotee higher officers are going to friendship, on certain high principles, be posted in other States from tho other between the two count des. So, that stands zones? apart. If we are able to build relations \'lith the United States, it does not mean MR. SPEAKER: Tbey have already tbat it is at the cost or the Indo-Soviet done. Tbis is an All-India Service. There relations or anything. is nothing to answer on this question. It is an All-India Cadre. It bas to be done. SHRl R. L. BHATIA: Is it a raply to my question? I think in view of the fact SHaI MURLIDHAR MANE: There tbat we have lot Simla and Delhi Agree- is a news in tbe Times ollndia quoting. ments, is be not satisfied with those agree ... Mr. Chidambaram that they are making into ments that he want to have another peace five zones. Now, there are 26 zones. In treaty especially when the other outstanding view of the National In tegrat iOD , these lAS problems ar~ before our country? Will he officers are going to be posted to the other like to have a peace treaty over and above States ••• tbeIe Aareements ? (Interruption, ) ~ Orul Alllwer; PHALOUNA 7, 1987 (SAKA) Oral AII,wd, 26
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I have PROF. K. K. TEWARY: Mr. aa-t denied that there is any proposal to create was keen to put this question. zonal cadre. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS MR. SPEAKElt : Is there any All India (SHRI S. B. CHA VAN) : I have no Cadre which can be made into a zonal objection ••. cadre? I t should be treated as a whole. That is a11. MR. SPEAKER: The Minister IDay have no objection; but I have. SHRI MURLIDHAR MANE: The question has not been properly understood. There is a new training progromme for (Interruptions) these lAS Officers. I wanted to know bow far is it going to fulfil our Prime Minister's PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He prom ises? specializes in extremism in Punjab.
MR. SPEAKER : Did you understand MR. SPEAKER: He constitutes the this question ? Did you understand the head anti-terrorist squad. and tail of tbe question? PROF. K. K. TEWARY : Sir, you are SURI P. CHIDAMBARAM: This also interested in this issue. question deals with the zonal cadres. The boo. Member wanted to know about tbe MR. SPEAKER: Naturally,] am. training. I can answer about training. There are two training programmes: one is Now next question. No. 47. Mr. Dennis an one-week refresher course, and the other is not available, nor is Mr. Bhoye. is a four-week training programme. The two programmes have different objectives. Next is question No. 48. Mr. Sanat Fourtyone institutes have been selected for Kumar MandaI is not available. Mr. Mohd. running these programmes. We expect to Mahfooz Ali Khan. finisb the first turn-around of one-week refresher courses by June 1986. We expect Acquisition of U. S. Electroalc to finish the first turn-around of the four- Weapons by Pakistan week training programmes in three years' time; and we think that this training is very *48. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALl beneficial to the lAS cadre, and that KHAN: it will help the Administration. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL:
SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Since the Will the Minister of EXTERNAL Government has already taken a series of AFFAIRS be pleased te state : measures to streamline the admioistrative machinery in the country, will the Minister please inform us whether: in future, tbe (a) whether Pakistan is acquiring U. s. specialist jobs would be left to the specialists electronic weapons including US Fire alone, and lAS wi)) only-' fill up essential Finders worth 141 million. this year; cadre posts 'I (b) if so, wh~ther this has posed a SHR! P. CHIDAMBARAM: This is an grave threat to India's security; and idea which is being seriously examined in the Ministry; and when we finalize the policy of (c) the steps being taken to countenance restructuting the Service, this will be one of the situation arising from Pakistan heiDI tbe things which .we will keep in mind. armed with such lethal weapons by the U.S. Government? MR. SPEAKER : Next Question No. 46. Mr. Lakshman Mallick is not there, nor is THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL Mr. Kamla ~d Rawat. AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): ~1 Ora/ t4nswets FEBRUARY 26, 19~6 OraJ Answer" 28
Pakistan is acquiring Fire Finder Radar we told them was that, as I said in reply to system from USA. the q Jestion also, we apprehend that Pakista.n would use those weapons against (b) and (c). Induction of such sophisti- us, and, th~refore, in order to keep ourselves cated weaponry is a matter of concern as it fully prepared we sball have to divert our results in the diversion of resources from scarce resources from economic development economic develc-proent to defence, Govern- to military preparation. We have also ment continues to maintain a constant vigil stressed these points. over all developments having a bearing on the country's security. [English] ... SHRI DINESH GOSW AMI: At one [Trans" lion] point of time, while an~wering to this SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI question, he had said that the induction of KHAN: Mr. Speaket, Sir, whdt I want to arms in Pakistan from Aml!rica was posing know is a5 to why U.S.A. is giving a~si~t3nce a serious threat to our secuflty. How is it to Pakistan in spite ot the fact that our that, when it is causing a SCI ious threat to Prime Minister had visited U.S A. some our security, \\-c ar~ talking in terms of time back and It is a known fact that peace friendship anJ non-aggression treaty Pakistan"s preparation') are aimed againc;st with Pakistan? How is it that Government us. I want to know Whdt. agreement was are reconciling these two extreme reached with U.S A.? Will the U.S.A. positions? Does he not f\!el that the pi csent supply weapons only to Pakistan or will talk of non-aggression treaty or offer of they give some assistdDce to our country frieneship by the Zia-ul-Haque regime is salo 1 merely a cover to given l\!gitimacy to his military rule when such military rules, as SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : For the present, against democratic rules, are under threat in they are supplying only to Pakistan. We different countries? did not seek any assistance from them nor do we intend to do so. SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: That may be the possible motivation for Pakistan to seek SHRI MOHD. M..AHFOOZ ALI peace ",ilh us. But the point is that there iKHAN : It is aJJright that we have no is no coutradiction it the truth that Pakistan Pntention to seek assistance from them, but is building itself, arming itself and it is Takistan is mak ing preparations against us. posing a threat to us. The real question is aibeir p)ea that their preparations are what sort of relationship as two neighbours amed at some other country is nothing but we should have. I think there is noiota of bn excuse. Our Hon. Prime Minister should doubt in any mind that inevitably as a told talks with tbe U.S A. so that we long-term or even a short-term or a medium- could also g~t some assistance. term arrangement. India and Pakistan should build up a relationship of peace and SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: So far as tbe friendship, friendly relations; bat is in the security of the country is concerned, the inter:st of both the countries. Pursuing this supply of weapons to Pakistan is causing perception not today but always, we have concern and danger to us; you as well as been tr) iog -althougb Pakistan has been this House are aware of it. We have taking a Q\fl'etent direction and position; expressed our concern repeatedly on this Pakistan has taken recourse to confrontation- issue and \\'t! are making aU pHp:uatiofJs to JJld \\e believe tbat any durable peace see that our security IS ensured. Our Pflme between India and Pakistan is the only Minister as well as I have held talks in tbis logical and mutually beneficial arrangement. regard with the American leaders and While we are not unaware of the danger of officials and have drawn their attention acquisition of arms, sophisticated \\eapons particularly to the two issues. We have told by Pakistan, which is posing a thre~t to us, tbem that it is causing disturbance and we are taking care of it separately and pursuing adding to the tension not only in India and it diplomatica1Jy in countrj('1) from where Pakistan but in the entire South A~ia. It they acquire .at ms, which are posing danger bas created a war psychosis which is not to peace and security of india, but, at tbe ~ucive to peace. The IeCODd tbiDS which same time, we are also pursaiD8 tbe path 29 Written Answers PHAlGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers ~O of friendship and cooperation with Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Pakistan. be pleased to state :
[Translationl (a) whether it is a fact that a number of pcrson~ have been shot dead in the State SHRI SULTAN SALAHUDDIN of Punjab by extremists during the last few OWA1SI : You have just now said that we months; have drawn the attention of U S.A. to the fact tbat it is causing danger to South East (b) if so, the detail~ thereof; Asia. Therefore, 1 want to know what action (c) the steps taken by the Government U.S.A. have taken after their attention was of Punjab in this matter; and drawn to it and what was their reaction to it ? (d) the reaction of Union Government in this regard and the steps contemplated to SHRI B. R. BHAGAT This is a contain the situation? continuous process. We have been impressing upon them all along ever since arms supply THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS to Pakistan was first made. under which arms (SHRI S. B. CHA VAN) : (a) and (b). and economic aid worth 3.2 billion doJIars According to the information furnished by was proposed, and we had hoped that U.S.A. the Govl. of Punjab, 50 persons were killed would show cons!d~ration to our position, due to extremist/terrorist activities during tbe because they have their own perceptions in period 1-10-85 to 10·2-1986, all matters. In this region also, they have their own p~rceptions and national interest. (c) S~veral steps reported to have been Yet these talks continue. taken by the Government of Punjab include intensification of patrolling, strengthening 0 f SHRI SULTAN SALAH UDDIN police arrangements in areas prone to extre- OW AlSI: What I asked wa~ as to what n1e mist violence and close watch on the hide- reaction of U.S.A. was when you drew their outs of extremist elements. attention to these matters? You tall us about that. (d) The Central Government has made available considerable para-military force to MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing you the State Government for internal security another supplementary. purposes.
[Eng/ilkl Ethnic Problem of Sri Lanka
SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA Mr. *47. SHRI N. DENNIS: Speaker, Sir, ... (In/(JrrupfiOlls)* SHRI R. M. BHOYE: MR. SPEAKER: I have not al1o\\ed him; not aJJowed. wm the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (lnft'rrllpt; OilS f* (a) whether Government of Sri Lanka MR. SPEAKER: Question Hour is over. has agreed finaHy to Tesoh'e the residual problems related to Tamils of Indian origin in Sri Lanka under the 1964 agreement WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS between the two countries; and (b) whether there have been continued [Englisn] incidents of violence on Tamils in Sri Lanka; Extremists Activities in Punjab and
*46. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: (c) the latest outcome of the dialogue SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT: going on ~t\Veen India and Sri Lanka to
.Not re~orded. FEBRUARY 26, 1986 reaoIYe the issue and the' prospects of a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THI! solution? MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO· LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS THB MINISTER OF EXTERNAL OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT) : (a) and ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (b). Yes. Sir. (SHRI SHIVRAJ v. PATIL): (a) and (b). The 73rd Session of the Indian Science (c) The Government of India is continu· Congress was held in Delhi during January iDs with its efforts to narrow the gap between 3-8, 1986. For the session, the focal tbeme the positions of the Sri Lankan Government was "Science and Technology in Environ- and the Sri Lankan Tamil Groups. mental Management". Based on the delibera- CODStit ution of Development Board in tions. the Association formulates recom- Maharashtra mendations for cosnideration by tbe Government. The Association has not yet .49. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: forwarded their recommendations of tbe Will the Minister of HOME AfFAIRS be 73rd Session to the Government. The pleased to state: recommendations, when received, will be examined by the Government for appropriate (a) whether the Union Government have action. taken any decision on the constitution of Development Boards in Maharashtra State Development of Natural Parks, Sanetuarlel as already agreed under article 371 (2) of the aod Natural Rese"es Constitution and Nagpur Agreement; *51. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK : (b) if so, the details thereof; and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (c) if not, tbe reasons for delay in taking hal decision by the Union Government? (a) whether Union Government propose to implement some schemes for the develop- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS ment of natural parks, sanctuaries and natural (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : (a) Not yet Sir. reserves in tbe country; (It) Does not arise. (b) if so, the names of the natural parks, (c) The draft scheme received from the sanctuarieR and natural reserves proposrd to Government of Mabarasbtra for establish- be developed in Orissa and other States in ment of regional Development Boards in the the Seventh Five Year Plan; and State under article 371 (2) of the Constitution is under consideration. (c) tbe details of the schemes prepared in this regard ? RecommendatioDs by Indian Science, Congress for Checking Degradation THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV and Pollution of Environment GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir .
• 50. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : (b) The following National Parks and SHRI SRIHARI RAO : sanctuari~s in Orissa are being provided financial assistance by tbe Central Govl. Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased under three Centrally sponsored schemes for to state : the development of national parks and sanctuaries, including tiger reserves :
(a> whether the Indian Science Congress (i) SimUpal National Park. at its 73rd Session made a series of recom- mendations to Government for checking (ii) Bhittarkanika Sanctuary. depadation and pollution of environment; -lid (iii) Satkosia Gorse Sanctuary.
(b) if so, gist of suggestions put forward (iv) Cbandaka Sanctuary. iD this reprd and action tatten by 'Govern- ~l~~~? . PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt.""", U
Additional areas can be taken up for basis of proposals submitted by tbe States develapment under these schemes on the basis and Union Territorries and priority areas of of relative priorities and availability of funds. deveiopment are identified for financial A statement indicating the list of national support from the Central Government. The parks. sanctuaries and biosphere reserves in centrally sponsored schemes provide for other States and Union Territories which are financial assistance for undertaking protection being provided or would be considered for measures, habitat improvement, construction providing financial assistance in the VII Five works, purchase of vehicles and equipment, Year Plan period, is attached. improvement or communication facilities, (c) Individual schemes for the develop- visitor information services, enumeration of wild animals, development works in the ment of National Parks and sanctuaries including tiger reserves are approved on the buffer areas and research activities.
Statement
Selected National ParkJ and Sancluar ies from Ihe following Slatell Ut8. a'6 proposed to be provided financial assi.fance during the Seventh Five Year Plan
Name of the State!UT Name of the National Park/Sanctuary 1 2
Assam Kaziranga National Park Sonai Rupai Sanctuary Orang Sanctuary Manas Sanctuary Laokhowa Sanctuary Bamadi Sanctuary
Andbra Pradesh Pocharam Sanctuary Nagarajunasagar Sanctuary KawaI Sanctuary Pulicat Sanctuary Manjira Sanctuary Connga Sanctuary Papikonda Sanctuary Pakbal Sanctuary Kolleru Sanctuary
Andaman and Nicobar Island Marine National Park Narcondam Sanctuary Saddle Peak National Park
Arunachal Pradesh Namdapha National Park Itanagal Sanctuary Mabao Reserve Sanctuary
Bihar Palamau National Park Valmikinagar Sanctuary Kaimur Sanctuary Hazaribagh Sanctuary Dalma Sanctuary
Black Buct National Part Barda Sanctuary Jl&JlP of KlIt~h SaoctuarJ FEBRUARY 26. 1986 w""• ...... ,. "
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Nalsarovcr Sanctuary Velavad ar National Park Vansda National Park Jessore Sanctuary Gir National Park Dumkhal Sloth bear Sanctuary Ratanmahal Sanctuary Gir Lion Sanctuary Wild Ass Sanctuary Marine National Park
Goa, Daman and Diu Bhagvan Mahavir Sanctuary Himachal Pradesb Great Himalayan National Park Kalatop and Khajjiar Sanctuary Kanawar Sanctuary Pong Dam Lake Darangbati Sultanpur Sanctuary
Jammu and Kashmir Dachigam National Park Overa Sanctuary Surinsar Mansar Patwar Sanctuary Kistwar National Park
Keral. Periyar National Park Eravikulam National Park Silent Valley National Park Wynad Sanctuary Parambikulam Sanotuary Neyyar Sanctuary Schenduruny Sanctuary Idukki Sanctuary Cbinnar Sanctuary Thattikad Sanctuary
KaroataU Bandipur National Park Bbadra Sanctuary Ranneb ennur Sanctuary Bannerghatta National Park Dandeli Sanctuary Biligiri Ranga Swami Sanctuary Nagarholc National Part
Maclbya Pradesh Kanba National Park Van Vihar National Park Bandhavaarh National Park Pench National Park Tamor Pinala Sanctuary BoriSanctuary Oomarda Saoct&l8I'J Noradebi Saactuary Sanja, Dubri SaDCtuarJ ~ak Mar 8aDctutrJ PHAtGUNA 7, 1907 (8AK~) Writ,.""", 18
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National Cbambal Sanctuary Ghatigaon Great Indian BustaoJ SMctua., Ken Gharial Sanctuary Palpur (Kuno) Sanctuary . Saojay National Park Satpura National Park Kanger Valley National Park Ratapani SanctuarY Madhav National Park Panna National Park Indravati National Park
Meghalaya Siju Sanctuary NongkhyUem Sanctuary Balphakram National Park Nokrek National Park
Mabarasbtra Great Indian Bustard Sanctuary Tansa Sanctuary Tadoba Sanctuary Nagzira Sanctuary Pencb National Park
Maharashtra Cont. Borivili National Park Me)ghat Sanctuary
Manipur Keibul Lamjao National Park
Mizoram Dampa Sanctuary Naaaland Itanki Sauctuary
Bhittar Kanika Sanctuary Satkosia porge Sanctuary Simplipal National Park Kothagarb Sanctuary Cbandka Sanctuary Hadgarb Sanctuary
Harike Sanctuar)' Abohar Sanctuary
Sariska National Park . Rantbambhore Natio... Pat Sitamata Sanctuary Kumbhalgarh Sanctuary Mount Abu Sanctuary Darrah Sanctuary Ghana Bird Sanctuary National CbIlIHal SanctWII'J Pbulwari Sanctuary Bhcnsroad Garb Sancutarr Ramgarb Sanctuary Kooladeo Ghana National PaIt Desert NatiODlJ Par& FEBRUARY 26. 1986 .
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Tamil Nadu Guindy National Park Mudumalai Sanctuary Sathanur Sanctuary Kalakad Sanctuary Tahr Sanctuary Point Calimere Sanctuary Pulicat Water Bird Sanctuary Mundanthuri Sanctuary
Tamil Nadu Cont. Anamalai National Park Marine National Park
Uttar Pradesh Corbett National Park Rajaji National Park Kedarnath Sanctuary Govind Pasbuvihar Sanctuary Kishanpur Sanctuary Chilla Sanctuary National Chambal Sanctuary Kaimur Sanctuary Dudhwa National Park Valley of Flowers National Park Nanda Devi Natioual Park Ra nipur Sanctuary
West Bengal Sunderbans Sanctuary Jaldapara Sanctuary SajnakhaJi Sanctuary Mabananda Sanctuary Gorumara Sanctuary Neora Valley Sanctuary Sikkim Khangchendzonga National Park
In addition, the following thirteen areas 10. Manas Assam have been identified for consideration as Biosphere Reserves : 11. Kanha Madbya Pradesh 1. Nilgiri Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and 12. Nokrek Megba]ay Kerala Tura Ranga 2. Namdapha Arunachal Pradesh
3. Nuda nevi Uttar Pradesh 13. RanD of Gujarat 4. Uttarakb· Uttar Pradesh Kutch and S. North Islands Andman and of Andamans Nicobar Import of Colour T. V. Compoaeatl 6. Gulf of Tamil Nadu *52. SHRI CHINtAMANI JBNA : Mannar SHRI MOHANBHAI PAT BL : 1. Kaziranp Assam 8. Sun4erbaDI Weat Benaal Will the PRIMB MINISTER be pleased to .tate :, PHAtGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA)
Total approximate foreign exchanp (8) whether the components used in involved colour TV are mostly imported; (10 (b) if so, the amount involved in regard U.S.S> to the import of television components 1983 60 Million during the years 1983 .. 84, 1984-85 and i. 1985-86; 1984 33.6 Mil1ion
(c) whether Government have asked the 1985 75.9 Million TV manufacturers to take steps to get components made indigenously; (c) to (e). Government bas·taken several steps to meet the demand for components (d) if so, their response thereto; and indigenously as a result of which production of most of the critical components except (e) steps taken by Government in regard colour picture tubes (CPT) required for tbe to manufacture of TV components in the CTV industry will commence in tbe' country country? during 1986-87. Indepth production of CPTs is likely to commence during 1988. THE MINIST_ER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND [Traflsla iOIl] TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART ... MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, Problems or Persons of Indian Origin ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND in South Arrica SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Production of components usually follows *53. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: emergence of demand for equipment. Win the Minister of EXTERNAL Presently, approximately 20% of tbe eleetronic A FFAIRS be pleased to state : components required for the manufacture of (a) whether a member of the Arya 8 CTV set are being produced locally while Samaj delegation on a visit to South Africa the balance 80% is being imported. With recently, apprised the Government about the the expected commencement of production problems of the people of Indian origin of most of the critical components (except living io South Africa; CPT) in the country by 1986 ... 87, the import bill is expected to decline to (b) if so, the details of the problems approximately 60%. With the likely production of CPTs in the country from mentioned and the steps taken by tbe Union Government in this regard; 1988 onwards the import content is expected to become nominal. (c) whether Government would propoee (b) The approximate amount involved to send directly Indian books, teachers and in regard to import of Colour Television priests for religious ceremonies and other components during the Calender years 1983. consumer goods to meet the requirements of 1984 and 1985 are aiven below, based on tbe Indians living in South Africa by waivina or estimated production of Colour Television relaxing the present restrictions; and receiver sets durina these years (d) if not, tbe reasons therefor? Year Production of Colour TV sets THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAn: 1983 o.s lakhs (a) Yes, Sir. 1984 2.8 laths (b) The problems mentioned &mODI 198' 6.6luhs otbers-the scarcity of religious boots and periodicals; a shoratge of Indian laoguaae Note: Production fiaures are being teachers, professors of Sanskrit and Hindu compiled on Calendar year basis. philosophy. and rcliaioua priests. FEBRUARY 26, 1986
major public sector projects in key (c) and (d). Government does not sectors like power, coal, stee', cement, propose to allow exports to South Africa, lall"u)s "and atomic power have shown as such commercial dealings run counter to alarming escalation in costs due to delays its Jong-standing policy with regard to in their completion; and South Africa. Occassional visits by Indian
nationals to South Africa 9 as in the past, for religious and allied purposes will be (b) if so, the details of thtse projects pennitted subject to certain conditions. and stq~s proposed to i'e taken to "avoid such situation? {English] Alarming Escalation by 23 Major Public Sector Projects THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A . • 54. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: GHANI KHAN CHOUDHARY) :
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(Ii) Remedial Action THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAn : (a) The delays in completion of the projects Yes, Sir. arise due to the problems concerning acquisition of land, critical equipment and (b) No, Sir. material supplies by tbe suppliers (imported as well as indigenous), finaHsation of detailed [ Translation] engineering drawings, lack of infrastructural facilities and services, law and order More Pension to the Families or dis.turbances, labour problems, mismatching Army Personnel Died during progress of vendors/suppliers, change in Everest Expedition sc{)pe, inadequate allocation of funds, inefficient working of contractors etc. ·56. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI Will the Minister of DEFENCE be p1eased to state: The primry responsibility for ensuring timely completion of the project(s) lies with (a) whether Government have decided the concerned Ministry(s) who have to take to give more pension to the family of army steps for corrective measures wherever the p:'fsonnel died during Everest expedition; projects are behind schedule. This Ministry, however, plays a catalytic role by (b) if C;O, the details in this regard regularly monitoring these projects and tile extent to which their pension identafh ing slippages, and keeping the, ::lrnonnt is likely to he increased as compared concerned Ministries and the Governrr.ent to that being paid to other pensioners; at the highest level inforrred ff'r initating the timely action whIch IS subsequently (c) whether Government have decided foHowed-up. In the case of proJ~cts c0sting to give them other facilities also; and over Rs. 100 crores, the concerned M lOistries are lequested to identify the reasons for (d) if so, the details thereof 1 slippages, initiate corrective action and communicate the same to this Ministry on a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE monthly basis. Thereafter, a consolidated DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE. Exception Report is submitted to the Prime RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT Minister's Office as well as to the concelned (SHRI ARUN SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. Ministry. For these projects, the Ministries undertake periodic review meeting~ ""here (b) A statement is given below. Officers from concerned Ministriell/Un,'er- takings participate and ~teps to be inll ,ted (c) and (d). Necessary assistance, where by them for corrective action are idfntlfip(~ asked for, is being extended for finding sU!table emplo) ment for the eligible depen- dents. In addition to the sum they are Visit of Arya sarnaj Group to South entitled to under the Army 'Group InsUI'3.nce Africa Scheme, the next of kin of the deceased will also get R~. 2 lakhs under the special *55. SHRI S. JAJPAL REDDY: Will insurance taken for all the Expedition members. the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Statement
(a) whether it is a fact that five Special family pension at 90% or the \,rominent Indians belonging to Arya liberalised pensionary awards, as admissible Samaj group were permitted to go to to war casualties, bas been sanctioned to South Aftica; and the families of the Arm, Ofticers who died during the Army EVeJeSt Expodidon-1985. (b) whether this permISSion was not This has resulted in tbe following i~ in contravention of the Government policy when compared with the normal Spcoial in re~rd to South Africa 7 Family Pension: ~1 Written Answers FEBRUARY 26, 1986
Name and Rank of Normal Special family Enhanced pension Difference of the deceased officer pension per month granted per presion at 3 over (basic pension) month (basic pesion) 2, per month
1. Maj KI Kumar Rs.495 Rs. 1215 Rs.720 2. Maj Jai Bahuguna. Rs.468 Rs. 1148 Rs. 680 3. Capt. VPS Negi. Rs. Nil. Rs. 585 Rs. S85 4. Lt. MUB Rao. Rs. Nil. Rs. 262 Rs.262 5. Lt. R. S. Bakshi. Rs. Nil. Rs. 375 Rs. 375 ------Note: The Officers at S. Nos. 3, 4 and 5 were bachelors. Their parents were not entitled to dependents' pension under the normal rules as their incomes exceeded the prescribed income ceiling. However, as a special case they have been granted pensions under the liberalised scheme' as shown in column 3 above.
2. The families of five Army Officers Guidelines for Redressal of Public concerned have also been specially paid Grievances Family Gratuity, in addition to the Death- *58. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : Will cum-retirement Gratuity, as per the follow- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ing details : state :
Name and Rank. Amount of family (a) whether any guidelines have been gratuity formulated for speedy redressal of public grievances by various Ministries and 1. Maj KI Kumar Rs. 3600 Departments;
2. Maj Jai Bahuguna. Rs. 3600 (b). whether a review has been made recently of the existing procedure~ followed 3. Capt. VPS Negi. Rs. 1201.50 by the various Ministries and Departments having large public dealings for redressa! 4. Lt. MUB Rao. Rs. 900 of public grievances; and
S. Lt. R. S. Bakshi. Rs. 900 (c) if so, the outcome of the review and details of fresh guide1ines issued? [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Conference of Welfare Minister MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC *57. SHRI CHIRANJI LAL GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRJ SHARMA: Will the Minister of WELFARE P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. The be pleased to state the gist of recommenda- salient features of the guidelines issued are tions made ~nd decisions taken at the two- listed in the statement given below. . day Conference of ~eJfare Ministers of (b) and (c). A limited evaluation of States and Union Territories, held recently the effectiveness of the grievance redress in new Delhi ? machinery in a few departments was under- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE taken recently. This revealed that whne MINISTRY OF WELFARE (DR. there was growing awareness on the need RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI) : A to redress grievances, the efforts seem to be statement containing the main recommenda- directed more on dealing with- individual tions of the Conference of Welfare Ministers grievances than on identifying systemic of States and Union Territories held on deficiencies \\ hich give rise to grievances. January 24-25, 1986 in New Delhi is laid Ministries/Departments have been asked to 00' 'the Table of the House. [Pllred in identify key areas for reform by a process ~ib'.r,. See ~o. LT .. 21~O.86J of cate~orisatioD and anal1sis of ,ricv~~et ~j "rltlen A1IIwerl PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Written AlUwer, 54 to get at the root of the problems and bring (a) whether his attention has b«n about changes in the system. drawn to the news item captioned "Pak blue-print for anarchy in Punjab" appearing Statement in the 'Hindustan Times' New Delhi dated the 2nd February, 1986; and Ministries/Departments having large public dealings were asked to take following (b) if so, whether Government have measures in order to strengthen their eXIst- taken up the matter with Pak Government ing grievance redress machineries : and the reaction of that Government thereto ? (i) A senior officer should be desig- nated as Director of Grievances, THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL wherever necessary, and Public AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT) : (a) Grievance Cells should be set up Yes, Sir. in their subordinate organisations to deal effectively with complaints (b) Government are unaware of any received from public; such specific blue-print prepared by Pakistan. However, our concerns regarding Pakistan's
(ii) supervisory I officers in service- encouragement and assistance to extremists oriented departments should have and terrorists in India have been conveyed an effective role for ensuring that to the Government of Pakistan on different genuine complaints are attended occasions and at various levels. to and dispo~ed of quickly; Annual Plan outlay for States and (iii) complaints relating to railways, Union Territories hospitals, banks etc. should be set- tled on-the-spot, as far as possibie, 443. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: because of the time angle SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN : involved; SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI ;
(iv) the complaints should be looked Will the Minister of PLANNING be into from the point of view of pleased to state: users' /consumers' also; (a) whether the annual plan outlays for (v) speaking replies should be sent to the various States and union territories for the complainants indicating why a the year 1986-87 have been finalised; particular matter was dealt with in a particular fashion; (b) if so, what are the outlays for 1986- 87 for the various States and Union Terri- (vi) grievances should be dealt with in tories and the percentage of increase in real a time bound manner; terms over the outlays for 1985-86;
(vii) the system should be closely moni- (c) whether the Central Government tored periodically at differen t will provide more funds to tbe State levels; and Governments to meet then icreased outlays; and (viii) publicity should be given with regard to the new arrangements. (d) which of the States have undertaken to raise additional resources for the 1986--87 News item Captioned "PAK Blue- annual plan ? Print for Anarchy in Punjab" ·60. DR. B. L. SHALLESl-I : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DR. G. S. RAJHANS : MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. PANJA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pJeased to state : (b) A statrment is given below. FEBRUARY~26, 19~6 Written AnMtr, 56
(c) The Centre bas increased the provi- (d) All the States have agreed to sion of assistance for State Plans for 1986- mobilize additional resources for their 'S7 as compared to 1985-86 Annual Plan. respective Annual Plan 1986-87.
Statement
Annual Plan 1985-86 and 1986.87-0utlays--States/ Union Territories (Rs. crores)
1985-86 1986·87 %age increase of Co]. Approved Agreed (3) over Col. (2) Outlay Outlay
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States
Andbra Pradesh 810.00 1000.00 23.S
Assam 410.00 500.00 21.9
Bihar 851.00 1150.00 35.1
Oojarat 804.00 950.00 18.2
Haryana 480.00 525.00 9.4
Himachal Pra Jammu and Kashmir 260.00 315.00 21.2 Kamataka 651.00 765.00 17.5 Kerala 355.00 390.00 9.9 Madhya Pradesh 1170.00 138] .00 18.0 Maharashtra 1700.00 2100.00 23.5 Manipur 70.00 87.00 24.3 Meghalaya 75.00 91.00 21.3 NagaJand 65.00 78.00 20.0 Orissa 450.00 600.00 33.3 Punjab 500.00 575.00 15.0 Bajastban 430.00 525.00 22.1 Sikkim 41.00 50.00 21.9 Tamil Nadu 960.00 1153.00 20.1 Tripura 86.00 105.00 22.1 Uttar Pradesb 1642.00 2030.00 23.6 J , 51 Written J4tt.fW4" ~HALOtJNA '.(1907 (8..4K.d) Written J""wer, 58 1 2 3 4 West Bengal 675.00 776.00 15.00 Total-States 12662.00 15351.00 21.2 Union Territories Aodal\1an and Nicobar Islands 33.50 69.00* 106.0 Arunachal Pradesh 73.00 90.00 23.3 Cbandigarb 38.76 42.48 9.6 Dadra and Nagar Haveli 8.65 8.65 Delhi 335.00 483.00·· 44.2 Goa, Daman and Diu 64.00 73.00 14.1 Laksbadweep 7.65 8.40 9.8 Mizoram 48.00 58.00 20.8 Pondicherry 33.00 39.00 18.2 Total (U.Ts.) ~1.S6 871.53 35.1 Total (States ad (U.Ts.) 13303.56 16222.53 21.9 * Includes Rs. 34 crores for purchase of 3 ships. .* Includes Rs. 83 crores for 2 Power Projects. Note: Plan outlays are finalized in minimal terms and not in real t~rms. Report of High Power Panel on The report is under consideration of the Minorities Government. 444. SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to (c) No, Sir, state : (a) whether Report of the High Power Noo-Governmental Ageacies for Removal of Poverty Panel on Minorities etc. Under Dr. Gopal SiDah which was submitted in 1983 has bot 445. SHRI AMARSINHRAmAWA: yet been released; Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state: (b) if so, tbe reasons for tM delay; aad (c) whether jt bas been circulated to the (a) whether any Don-Governmental State Governments end 9aI'ieus departments agencies are also helping in removing poverty of Union Government for their co.mmeau ? from the country; and TIlB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so, the particulars of those MINISTRY OF WBLFAlU3 (SHRI agencies and tbe detalls of prOjl'amDle GllUDHAll OOMANOO) : (I) aDd (b). cbalked out? FEBlltJAR Y 26. 1986 Written Answe,., 60 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bengal have been identified as gross polluters MINlSTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. oK. where the volume of discharge exceeds 1000 PANJA~ : (a) and (b). The Seventh Five KL per day and the discharge contains toxic Year PIa n envisages a significant role for materials. Out of this 33 units are located non-Governmental agencies/voluDtary in U. P. 5 in Bihar and 30 in West Bengal. organisations in the implementation of anti- The concerned State Pollution Boards have poverty programmes, the details of which been asked to ensure that there industrial have been given in Chapter 2. Volume 11 of units submit and implement a time-bound the Seventh Pi, ~ YCH Plan (1985-90). scheme for setting up of treatment facility This Document was discussed on the floor for the ofHuents. So far 21 industrial units of the House in Dtcember, 1985. have taken steps for setting up or improve- ment of facilities for treatment of wastes. [Trans/ali Oil] Treatment of Citizens Detai oed in Pollution of Ganga River by Industries Police Stations 446. SHRI JAGANNATH PRASAD: 441. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be state: pleased to state: (a) the Dun1bcr of cities situated of the (a) whether it is a fact that the usual banks of Ganga Ri\er from which sewage practice of the police is to detain people for water and the number of fd~tories from which so·called interrogation at the police stations, omueots are discharged into the Ganga river ill treat them and also sometime deprive alongwith the nature of effluents discharged them of their money and other belongings; thus polluting the Ganga water; (b) if so, whether Government propose (b) if so, whether it is a fact that at to bring forward legislation to amend the some places water is so much polluted that Indian Penal Code and the Criminal people do not use it even for irrigation Procedure Code suitably in order to eliminate purposes; tbe chances of police ill .. treatement of the people; and (c) if so, the number of people affected by pollution of Ganga water; and (c) whether Government also propose to bring forward legislation to amend the law (d) whether Government have taken to make it little easier to punish the police any action against those industries which are officers and staff found guilty in that responsible for polluting the Ganga water, regard? with details thereof '1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) to (c). 'Police' being a State subject. the About 100 towns and 264 industrial units measures in tbis regard are basically tbe discharge sewage water and effluents responsibility of the State Governments, respectively into Ganga. Depending on tbe Code of Criminal Procedure and State Police raw material used and items produced, the Manuals, however, contain adequate luide- emuent from industdes contain orgaincs, lines to the police regarding treatment of urea, ammon ia, suspended Solids, Oil and arrested persons dUI ing the custodial grease, metals such as zioc, chromium etc. interrogation. The Government of India bave also issued guidelines to the State (b) No, Sir. Governments from time to time to ensure tbat the police force behave always in a (c) Does not arise. bumane manner and that alleged cases of # police excesses should be taken notice of (d) Out of the 264 industrial units, 68 seriously and dealt with firmly, wbarever industrial units in up, Bihar and West they occur. 61 "rltle" An,wer, PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Written An.JW~'" 62 Identification and Repatriation of MENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELEC- Bangladeshi Infiltrators TRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) In terms of constant 448. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will (Fiscal Year 1982) US Dollars, in which the tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased standard STS flight price for INSAT-1C is 10 state: expressed, aGY delay in launch on a:.:c:.!nt of NASA reasons is not expected to r :se! t (a) the numbers of Bangladeshis who in an increase in the launch price for have entered into Orissa, Bihar and Delhi srs INSAT-IC. unauthorisedly, separately; (b) Does not arise. (b) the rules and procedure being followed for the identification and Location of Uranium and other Minerals repatriation of Bangladeshi infiltrators; and in H.P., J. K. and U.P. (c) the number of Bangladeshis 450. PROF. NARAIN CHAND repatriated from each State during 1985 ? PARASHAR : \VIII the PR IME MINISTER be pleased to sta te : THE MINISTER 8F STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURITY (a) tbe names of places in Himachal (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) to (c). Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir and tbe Hilly Having regard to considerable length of areas of U. P. where surveys have been Indo-Bangladesh border, intrusion from made for the location of Uranium and Bang]andesh through West Bengal into the other minerals during the past three years various States of India including Orissa, induding the current financial year; district Bihar and Delhi cannot be ruled out. The wise for each state; number of such persons in these States is not available. The State Govts. have (b) if so, the outcome of these surveys standing instructions to expel/push back and the latest progress made in the location Bangladeshi infiltrants as soon as they are of these minerals; and detected. The State Govts have also powers to take action against them under (c) whether there is any plan to include the Foreigners Act, 1946 as and when they a few more places for collecting fresh are detected. surverys and the names thereof? (EnglishJ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- INSAT-IC NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC 449. SHRI K. PRADHANI : ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE DR. B. L. SHAILESH : (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PA llL) : (a) and (b). Atomic Millerals DIV'~1(1n has been conJucting Will the PRI~tE MINISTER be pleased extensive geological surveys Ul anium to state: occuranc~s have been 1.0c.lted in the following (a) whether India may have to pay areas. more for the I NSAT -Ie satellite launch service of the U. S. does not bave any Himachal Pradesh Hamirpur, Kulu, space shuttle flights this year; and Kinnaur, Simla aDd Chamba districts. (b) if so, the anticipated payment to be made? Jammu and Kashmir Udhampur dis- triel. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND Uttar Pradesh Tebri-Garhwal, TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- Sabaranpur and Ml1NTS OF OCEAN DEVELOP- Debradun di$tri~. FBBRUARY 21. I.. ' These areas are in different stages of Retrenchment of Employees ,of General exploration. ~Iost of them are being Engineers Reserve Force explored by trenching, pitting, isorading. Investigations are in progress to evaluate the 452. SaRI HANNAN MOLLAH economic viability of Uranium anomalies Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased and to determine the occurances of associated to state: minerals lika Phosphates, Nickel, Moly- bedenum etc. (a) whether some General Engineers Reserve Force Employee were retrenched (c) Surveys are also undertaken in tbe and have not yet been taken back to service, followjng districts, during the current year :- under Project "Yatrik" in Andman and Nicobar; Himachal Pradesh Rampur, Hosiarpur, AmbaJa, Una dis- (b) whether Government have received tricts. and memorandum regarding the bonus, leave and accommodation of GREF persons under Uttar Pradesh Almora-Nainital, uYatrik"; and Chamoli, Uttar Kashi, Pauri and (c) if so, the present position in there Pithoragarh dis- regards and steps Government have taken to tricts. do justice to these peop1e ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Discontentment among Scien tists or DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE, RE- Central Mechanical Engineering SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Research Jnstitute ARUN SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. No General Reserve Engineer Force Employee of 451. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY : Will Project "Yatrik" was retrenched from the PRlME MINISTER be pleased to state: service. (a) whether the huge specialised man- (b) No, Sir. power of Central Mechanical Engineering Research Institute is being utilized and (c) Does not arise. engaged in suitable industry oriented problems/ projects; Special Anti-Riot Central Reserve Police Batta lions (b) whether suitable working facilities and environment are available to scientists; 453. SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Will and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (c) if so, the reasons why many to state : competent and weB qualified scientists leave (a) whether all six special Battalions of CMERI, Durgapur ? the Central Reserve Police Force proposed to be raised as an anti~riot force, have become THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE operational; and MINISTRY OF SCJENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS (b) if not, whether the proposal has OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC been abandoned? ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL (b) Yes, Sir. SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) Six CRPF battalions specially trained and (c) Out of about 150 scientists in the equipped to tackle situations arising out of Institute, less than 4 on an average have left communal and caste conflicts have been annuany during the part 5 years. They raised and are operational. bave left mainly for per$onitl re'Jsons ft.od • better job prospects, n~) poes .$ ~bo, Wrltten AlIIWerJ «S 65 Wrlt'~11 AnI We', P~ALGUNA 7, J907 (SAKA) Compensation to Displaced Villagers wise information about number of Scheduled Displaced due to Construction of Tribes people below the goverty line is Ordnance Factory in Orissa available for two point fo time viz., 1977-78 4S4. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : and 1983-84 (enclosed as Statement. In this Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased period the number of Scheduled Tribe people below the poverty line in the country went to state : 40wn from 35.0 million in 1977-78 to 32.' (a) the rate of compensation paid to the million in 1983-84. In this connection it displaced persons from the sixteen villages may by stated that under the Trihal Sub-Plan, in tbe Bolangir district of Orissa where an which is being implemented for the Fifth Plan ordnance factory is being constructed; onwards, adequate financial assistance is being given to Scheduled Tribes under (b) whether there is a persistent demand different income generating schemes to that the quantum of compensition be enable them to cross the poverty line. increased since it is too low; During the Sixth Plan, 43.58 lakhs Scheduled (c) whether a resettlement plan will be Tribes families were economically assisted drawn up by the -authorities before the as against the target of 27.59 lakh families. villagers are evicted; and Statement State wise Number oj Scheduled TribB (d) the details thereof ? Persons below the Poyerty Line THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (In lakhs) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE 1977-18 1983 .. 84 PRODUCTION AND DEFENCE SI. State SUPPLIES (SHRI SUKH RAM) : (a) and No. (b). For setting up an Ordnance Factory in 1. Andhra Pradesh 18.58 17.36 Bolangir compensation bas been awarded by he State Government in 14 villages for 2. Assam 9.69 6.19 acquisition of 2707.49 acres of private land in 3. Bihar 36.78 38.25 accordance with the provisions of the Land 4. Gujarat 35.28 26.91 Acquisition Act 1894 (as amended in 1984). 0.16 There is provision in the Act for persons not 5. H imacbal Pradesh 0.51 satisfied with the compensation to approach 6. Karnataka 8.19 13.63 the appropriate court. 7. Kerala 1.79 0.% (c) and (d). Government of Orissa have 8. Madhya Pradesh 85.98 85.66 drawn up a rehabilitation plan for 9. Maharashtra 34.09 37.S1 resettlement of displaced persons which 10. Orissa 48.54 41.71 envisages, Intet-alia. aIJotment of a house site to each displaced family, financial assistance 11. Rajasthan 20.47 28.31 for con~truction of house and setting up of 12. Tamil Nadu 3.01 2.97 colonies with basic amenities. 13. Uttar Pradesh 1.19 1.07 14. West Bengal 21.50 18.50 [Translation] 350.33 127.25 People brought above Poverty line AU India Under 2()"Point Programme Note: The All India total and the total of 455. SHRI BANWARI LAD BAIRWA : the 14 States may not tally bccauso Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased of tbe uncovered gap. to !tate the State-wise number of people brought above tbe poverty line in adivasi [English] areas undec 20 .. POlnt Pogramme ? Location of E1ectreaie lad.airy I. PubUc Sector In Manipur THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. 456. SHRI N. TOMB] SINGH : WIt PANJA) : It is not possible to indicate the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : dMe-wi6e numloet' of people brought above (a) whether Government !taye auy the pover'y Jiae in ac1ivasi areas UDder 67 Written Answer, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Written Answer' 68 in the public sector in Manipur in view of Environmental Guidelines for Safety its total lack of industries and the absence of of Citizens railway facilities; 458. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ : Will (b) if so, details thereof; and the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (c) if not, whether Government propose to make a survey of the unique situation in (a) whether there are any environmental tbe said region ? guidelines for safety of citizens; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, when these guidelines were MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND framed; and TECHNOLOGY AND THE IN (c) the institutions to which these DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOP- guidelines were circulated? MENTS, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) At the prescnt, MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Government ha~ no proposal to set up FORESTS (5HRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) electronics indu'itries in the Public Sector in to (c). No specific guidelines for safety of Manipur. citizens have yet been framed. Guidelines have been drawn up relating to siting of (b) Does not arise. industries and environmental assessment (c) Yes Sir. Senior officials of of other development projects like mining, Department of Electronics visHed Manipur hyde I and thermal power, river valley for this purpose. The Department of projects,' etc. The Bombay Chamber of Electronics is also planning to depute a team Commerce and Industries has prepared a of experts to Imphal so a<; to identify the booklet "MARGDASHIKA-PROTECTION electronics products which can be AGA1NST GAS LEAKAGE", which gives manufactured within the State. the DOs and DONTs in the case of leakage of such gases as Chlorine, Ammonia and Sulphur Dioxide. Emission of Sulphur Dioxide Opening of Recruitment Centre at 457. SHRT MANIK REDDY: Will Gorakbpur the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 459. SHRI MADAN PANDEY: win the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to (a) whether total sulphur dioxide state : emission~ has increased almo'it 3 times since (a) whether any request for opening a 1966 and if so, corrective step~ proposed; and recruiting Centre at Gorakhpur (U. P.) has been received by Government; and (b) whether there are any important (b) if so, whether Government are projects to meet the situation as in Sweden considering to open a centre for (Surya-Jan '86) ? recruitment for all the three wings of the Defence Services? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVJRONMENT AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE It is estimated that the tOlal l!>uJpbur RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT dioxide emissions an the country increased (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. from 1.38 million tonnes in 1966 to 3.20 (b) The Recruiting Centre when opened million toones in 1979. However, unlike the cater for the Army and the Navy. situation as in Sweden, there is no evidence will of acid rain problems in the country as Amendment to Forest I ConservatioD recorded through meteorological observa- Act, 1980 tories. 460. SHRI K. MOHAN DAS : Will (b) Does Dot arise. fbe fRIME M.INISTER be please~ to stat9; PHALGtJNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Written An,wetJ 10 (a) whether the present Forest (a) the number of peopJe raised "above (conservation) Act, 1980 is creating problems poverty line in Kerala during the Sixth Plan in the implementation of hydel schemes in period as a result of implementing 20·Point different States; Programme; and (b) if so, the names of States which (b) what was the target fixed for the have written to the Centre about it; Sixth Plan? (c) whether Union Government propose THE Me~ISTER OF STATE IN THE to bring forward a suitable legislation to MINIS1KY OF PLANNJNG (SHRI A. K. amend the law with a view to removing such IlANJA) : (a) The information regarding problems; and the number of people raised above Poverty Line in Kerala during the Sixth Plan period (d) so, the details thereof? if as a result of implementing the 20-Point THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Programme in not available. However, lates t MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND state-wise information about number of FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) people below the poverty line for two points No, Sir. of time viz .. 1977-78 and 1983-84 is given in the attached Statements I and II. In this (b) to (d). Does oot arise. period the number of peopJe below the People raised above Poverty Line in poverty line in Kerala went down from Kerala 117.1 lakhs in 1977-78 to 71.5 lakhs in 1983-84. 461. SHRI SURESH KURUP: Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to (b) No state-wise targets fixed for the state : Sixth Plan. Statement-I Number and percentage 0/ population below the po}'erty line by States separately for rural and urban areas-1977-78 (R':l'ised) SI. State ;_ Rural Urban Combined ---- - No. Number %age Number %age Number %age (lakhs) (lakhs) (lakhs) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1. Andhra Pradesh 176.8 45.4 40.6 37.2 217.4 43.6 2. Assam 78.0 48.5 6.4 36.5 84.4 47.3 3. Bihar 330.5 57.8 33.7 44.8 364.2 56.3 4. Oujarat 94.6 43.1 27.5 29.8 122.1 38.9 s. Haryana 22.0 23.2 7.9 32.5 29.9 25.2 6. Himachal Pradesh 10.2 27.8 0.5 17.2 10.7 27.0 7. Jammu and Kashmir 13.9 31.7 4.5 40.5 18.4 33.4 8. Karnataka 131.9 53.2 41.6 44.6 173.5 50.8 9. Kerala 94.1 47.4 23.0 53.2 117.1 48.4 10. Madhya Pradesh 242.7 61.6 43.1 46.9 285.8 58.9 11. Maharashtra 234.1 60.4 62.1 31.4 296.2 50.6 1'2.. Manipur 2.9 29.2 0.8 26.8 3.7 28.7 13. Meghalaya 5.2 51.2 0.6 28.6 5.8 47.4 14. Orissa 1.51. .6 67.9 11.1 41.8 162.7 65.1 11 Written An,wer, FEBRUARY 26.1986 Written Answers 72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 IS. Punjab 15.0 13.1 10.5 25.6 25.5 16.4 16. Rajasthan 82.7 33.5 20.8 33.9 103.5 33.6 17. Tamil Nadu 177.2 56.3 67.2 45.3 244.4 52.8 18. Tripura 10.6 64.S 0.6 27.S 11.2 60.5 19. Uttar Pradesh 422.8 49.8 83.2 49.2 506.0 49.7 20. West Bengal 220.4 58.3 45.1 34.5 265.5 52.2 21. Nagaland, Sikkim and 13.8 41.5 6.2 10.1 20.0 21.1 All Union Territories All India 2531.0 51.2 537.0 38.2 3068.0 48.3 Note: (1) The above estimates ate derived by using the poverty line of Rs. 49.09 per capita per month at 1973-74 prices corresponding to daily calorie requirement of 2400 per person in rural areas and the poverty line of Rs. 56.64 per capita per month corresponding to calorie requirement of 2100 in urben areas. (2) For updating the poverty line for 1977-78, C.S.O. Poverty Consumption deflator has been used. (3) These results are based 00 the data (Revised) of the NSS on household consumer expenditure of 32nd Round (July, 1977 to June, 1978). (4) The difference between the aggregate all India private consumption expenditure estimated by Central Statistical Organisation in their National Accounts Statistics and that derived from the NSSO data bas been prorata adjusted among the different States and Union Territories in the absence of and information to allocate this difference among the States and Union Territories. (5) The number of people below poverty line relates to the population as on lst March. 1978. Statement-II Number and percentage ofpopulation below the poverty line by Slates separately for rural and urban areas-1983.84 (provisional) SI. State Rural Urban Combined No. Number %age Number %age Number %age (Iakhs) (Jakhs) (lakhs) 1 2 3 4 S 6 7 8 1. Andhra Pradesh 164.4 38.7 40.7 29.5 205.1 36.4 2. Assam 44.9 23.8 4.9 21.6 49.8 23.5 3. Bihar 329.4 51.4 36.1 37.0 365.4 49.5 4. Gujarat 67.7 27.6 19.9 17.3 87.6 24.3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 g s. Haryana 16.2 15.2 5.5 16.9 21.7 15.6 6. Himachal Pradesb S.8 14.0 0.3 8.0 6.1 13.5 7. Jammu and Kashmir 8.1 16.4 2.2 15.8 10.3 16.3 8. Kamataka )02.9 37.S 54.7 29.2 137.6 35.0 9. Kerala 55.9 26.1 15.6 30.1 71.5 26.8 10. Madbya Pradesh 218.0 50.3 36.9 31.1 254.9 46.2 11. Mabarashtra 176.1 41.S 55.9 23.3 232.0 34.9 12. Manipur 1.3 11.7 0.6 13.8 1.9 12.3 13. Meghalaya 3.9 33.7 0.1 4.0 4.0 28.0 14. Orissa 107.7 44.8 10.4 29.3 118.1 42.8 15. Punjab 13.7 10.9 10.7 21.0 24.4 13.8 16. Rajasthan 105.0 36.6 21.2 26.1 126.2 34.3 17. Tamil Nadu 147.6 44.1 52.6 30.9 200.2 39.6 18. Tripura 4.6 23.5 o.s 19.6 5.1 23.0 19. Uttar Pradesh 440.0 46.5 90.6 40.3 530.6 45.3 20. West Bengal 183.9 43.8 41.2 26.5 225.1 39.2 21. Nagaland, Silddm and 17.9 47.4 14.4 17.7 32.5 27.1 All Union Territories All India 2215.0 40.4 495.0 28.1 2710.0 37.4 Note: (1) The above estimates are derived by using the poverty line of Rs. 49.09 per capita' per month at 1973-74 prices corresponding to daiJy caJorie requirement of 2400 per person in rural areas and poverty line of Rs, 56,64 per capita per month correspondins to calore requirement of 2100 in urban areas. (2) For \Jl7datina the poverty line ror 1983-84, C.S.O. Poyerty Consumption deflator baa been used. (3) These results are based on the provisional and quick tabulation of the NSS on bouselrOld -.sumer expenditure of 32th bound (Jan, 1983 to Dec, 1983). (4) The difference between the agrepte all India private canSumptiOD expenditure estimated by Central Statistical Orpnisation in their National Accounts Stati.da .ad that derived from the NSSO data bas been prorata abjusted amona tbe different States and Union Territories in Ibe absence of any information to allocate tbis difference among the States and Union Territories. (5) The number of people boIow povorty line relates to the population as on 1st Manib.1M. '; 75 Writlell Answer. FEBRUARY 26. 198:) Deforestation/Reforestation during Sixtb FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (8) A Five Year Plan reliable estimate of State-wise forest area 462. SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA tba t has been deforested is not available. RAO : Will the PRIME MINISTER be However, State-wise area reported to have pleased 'to state: been diverted for non-forestry purposes during the Sixth Five Year Plan, is given in (a) the area reported to have been the attached statement I. deforested during Sixth Five Year Plan, State- wise; (b) State-wise targets fixed for re. forestation/afforestation during Sixth Five (b) the target fix,'d for re-forestation Year Plan are given in the attached state- during Sixth Five Year Plah, State-wise; and ment-III. (c) the amount allocated, utilised and (c) State-wise outlay and expenditure area reforested during this period, State- under the forestry sector of the Sixth Five wise? Year Plan, are given in the statement at Annexure-III. Physical achievements under THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE re-forestation/afforestation are given in tbe MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND attached statement III. Statement-I State! Union Territory wise f,rest area divert~d for non-forestry purposes under the Furest (Lollservatioll) Act, 1980 during the Sixth Five Year Plan 51. No. State/Union Territory Area in Hectares -_------1 2 3 1. Andhra Pradesh 711.878 2. Assam 534.250 3. Bihar 664.273 4. Gujarat 1670.120 s. Haryana 1.200 6. Himachal Pradesh 197.306 7. Jammu and Kashmir 8. Kamataka 698.910 9. Kerala 511.596 10. ~adhya Pradesh 8350.710 11. Maba rashtra 3861.050 12. Manipur 0.340 13. Mcgbalaya 169.120 14. Nagaland 15. Orissa 5874.1S6 11 Written A""WH' PHALOUNA 7, 1907 (SAKAl Written AlI8wer, 18 1 2 3 16. Punjab 2.650 17. Rajasthan 3128.090 18. Sikkim 249.050 19. Tamil Nadu 528.580 20. Tripura 44.492 2), Uttar Pradesh 704.760 22. West Bengal 103.410 23. Arunachal Pradesh 378.980 24. Andaman and Nicobar Islands 196.900 25. Cbandigarh 26. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 140.340 27. Delhi 28. Goa. Daman and Diu ()6.017 29. Mizoram 30. Pondicherry 31. Lakshadweep Statement-II Statement showing State! Union Territory-wise targets and achiel'emeflts under Re-fore:Jtationjafforestatioll during Sixth Five Yl'or Plan period (1980-85) SI. No. State/Union Territory Seedlings planted in lakh Equivalent * numbers _-_----- Hectarage ------Target Achievemen t Target Achievement -- -- 1 2 3 4 5 6 1. Andhra Pradesh 5797.68 5830.61 289884 291530 2. Assam 1042.50 1487.12 52125 74356 3. Bihar 4174.34 4269.20 208717 213460 4. Gujarat )0572.16 10677.10 528608 533855 5. Haryana 4133.42 3648.08 206671 182404 6. Himaeba] Pradesh 2098.68 2064.12 104934 103206 7~ Jammu and KasbPlir 910.00 925.66 4~ 1 2 3 4 S 6 8. Kamataka 8077.09 8294.05 403854 414702 9. Kerala 1899.50 2352.55 94975 117627 10. ~adbya Pr~~b 13243.50 12720.15 66Z17S 636007 11. ~aharasbtra 5476.90 7673.79 273845 383689 12. Manipur 382.60 384.53 19130 19226 13. Megha1aya 315.86 314.62 15793 15731 14. Nagaland 460.20 467.03 23010 23351 15. Orissa 4097.92 4299.89 204896 214994 16. Punjab 2322.09 2295.46 116104 114773 17. Rajasthan 1966.97 2300.29 98348 115014 18. Sikkim 335.50 288.82 16775 14441 19. Tamil Nadu 5154.88 4958.87 257594 247943 20. Tripura (,11.25 648.55 30562 32427 21. Uttar Pradesh 10509.00 11240.20 525450 562010 22. West Bengal 3190.00. 3188.00 159800 159400 23. A and N. Islands 268.02 340.77 13401 17038 24. Arunachal Pradesh 554.27 511.87 27713 25593 25. Chandigarh 10.00 12.90 500 645 26. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 79.16 99.98 3958 4999 27. De1hi 115.00 108.00 5750 5400 28. Goa, Daman aDd Diu 9S.04 86.80 4750 4340 29. Laksbadweep 5.00 9.54 250 27 30. Mizoram 1236.02 1531.S0 61801 7687S 31. Pondicherry 29.00 25.42 1000 1271 *2000 S~dlinJS bav~ beep' t~~,p tquiv~lc9t ~9 one ~~~ 9f ~ffO.,.tatjOD, ,~~ 'L -" .. ~ ~ •• Wrllten Answtfl PHAlGUNA 7, 1901 (~AKA) Written Answers 82 Statement-III Statement giving the Stale/ Union Territory-wise details of outlay and expenditure under Forestry Sector during the Sixth Five Year Plan (1980-85). (Rs. in lakhs) SI. No. State/Union Territory Outlay Expenditure - _------1 2 3 4 1. Andhra Pradesh 1050 2088.00 2. Assam 2520 4059.52 3. Bihar 1800 2140.00 4. Gujarat 8900 10008.06 S. Haryana 1450 2207.00 6. Himachal Pradesh 2900 3648.00 7. Jammu and Kashmir 1028 1579.00 8. Karnataka 3075 3943.00 9. Kerala 1862 1844.00 10. Madhya Pradesh 3800 5185.00 11. Maharash tra 4875 5240.00 l 12. Maot"ur 475 482.00 13. Meghalaya 500 599.00 14. Naga]and 680 587.72 15. Orissa 1250 1673.00 16. Punjab 1290 1689.00 17. Rajasthan 1500 2053.00 18. Sikkim 570 589.00 19. Tamil Nadu 5900 6278.00 20. Tripura 1239 1128.00 21. Uttar Pradesh 7090 8361.00 22. West Bengal 2200 2727.00 23. A and N Islands 550 423.34 24. Arunachal Pradesh 952 1397.64 83 Wr;Uen Alllwrs ------1 2 4 25. Ch81ldigarh 60 64.79 26. Dadar and Nagar Ha veli 130 202.23 27. Delhi 90 87.77 28. Goa, Daman and Diu 450 478.02 29. Lakshadweep 30. Mizoram 550 fJ99.90 31. Poodicherry 27.70 l6.47 CoJla.oo.ration with other Countries to to tbe public at lower price with assured h~pJorc Ocean-Bed quality; and 463. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: SHRI K. KUNJAMBU : (b) if so. tbe details in this regard ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TBCHNO. to state: LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF (a) whether there is any scheme to OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE explore the ocean-bed in collaboration (SHR) SHIVRAJ V. PATlL) ; (8) and (b). with other co Jotries; The import of Colour TV sets is already restricted as per Import Export Policy (b) if so, the details thereof; and 1985-88, vide entry No. 121, Appendix 2B (List of restricted items) wbi~ teads as (c) the amount provided in the Seventh follows : Five Year Plan for this purpose ? U(l21) All consumer goods, how- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE soever described, of industrial, agricul- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- tural or animal origin, not appearing LOGY AND IN THE DEPAltTMENTS OF individually in Appendices 3 Pallt.. A and OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC S or specifically listed for import under ENEllGY~ ELECTRONICS ~D SPACE Open General Licence." (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) No, Sir. No ICbeme of this nature has been formu- Detection of ExpJolIYe 4~ Jo An.ud lated. Niketao, Delbl 46'. SHRI SUBHASH YADAY: (b) aDd (c). Does not arise. SHRI DHAIl.AM PAL SINGH MALIK: Import of Colour TV. SHR) SARFARAZ AHMAD : SHRI M. RAGHUMA R.EDDY : 4fi4. SHRl SOMNATH aA'IH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Will tho Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be plsascd to state : W whether Government propose to restrict tbe import of colour TV sets and (a) whetbet _ alploaiye dcw.ice was give scope for manufacturing to indigenous found in Anand Niketao, Delhi 00 tbe production matinl colour TV uta avaiJable 16 Jaouaey, 1916; PRAL6tJMA " 19O'7 ('AKA) W,ltte" A"8Wt,, 8S (b) if so, the details thereor; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (c) whether any arrest has been made; FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) The and Government of Bihar have proposed schemes for Monghyr, Patna, Chapra and (d) tbe steps being taken or proposed' to Bhagalpur towns under Canga Action Plan be taken by Government in this regard? to prevent pollution caused by the discharge of domestic sewage into the river in these THE MINISTER OF STATe IN THE towns. The treatment of industrial wastes DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL is primarily the responsibility of the industrial SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU): (a) units concerned. A suspicious looking object was found 00 the footpath opposite C-l S Anand Niketan (b) The notional cost of the schemes on 11.1.86. identified in these towns is Rs. 42.46 crores. So far reports for 14 schemes in Patna (b) The object was found to be an estimated to cost Rs. 4.02 crore~ ha\ e been explosive device containing the fonowing :- submitted by the Government of Bihar. (i) One time-piece make 'TIMECAL' [E1Iglish) witb the time or explosion set for 2215 hours. Bihar-Uttar Pradesh Border disputes due to Sbifting Course of Ganga (it) is TNT sli~ aU do4 by a l.S- metres lana tor4ex wier .. 467. PROF K. K. TEWA R Y: Will tbe Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pJeased 'W> Two otecwie detonat.... with a .... to state: wire. (a) whether disputes have arisen in some villages on the borders of Bihar and Uttar (iv) 2' TETRVL CartrtdPl uaect as Pradesh specially near the Bhojpur area, dQo booster. to a shift in the course of river Ganga; (v) Battery equipment. (b) whether, as a result thereof, thousand (c} No anest haa been awto 10 far. ollarmes ware affected in regard to their agricultural operations and somp.times it led (J) The explosive object is being to clashes among them; and examined by ,he Cf'ntral Forensic Science Laboratory and the Cbitf Controller of (c) jf so, the steps heing taken by Union Explosives. Nagpur for detefmining its ofigin Government to resolve the above disputes? and potential for damage. Police viaiJance hdS been strengthened and efforts are on to THE MINISTER OF HOf\IE AFFAIRS apprehend the culprits. (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN): (a1 to (c). Bast"d upon the arbitral Award of Shri C. M. [Tralls/arloll1 Trivedi, which was accepted by both the Government of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, Gaoga Clearaoce ProJet. the Bihar and Uttar Pradesh (Alteration of Boundaries) Act, 1968 was enacted to 466. PR.OF. CHA)lDltA BMAIIU replace the H\lctuatil'g inter-State river DEV] : WiIJ ,be PRUdE MINIStER be boundaries by fixed boundaries. However, pJeased to state : there have been occasional disputes between private parties involving contendmg claims in (a) whether tbe project. or BiIMw which respect of rights of ownership and cultivation discharge effluent. tNr.. into tile GeIll8 of .... m 90IDC of the _rito~s transferred river and cause pollutioa a.. alea Joehlded from one State to the other foltowing the in the Ganga Clearance Project; and enforcement of said Act. Such rights of indWidaais are govemed by relevant revenue ~WI ., tlte respective States. Section 26 of 87 Written Answers FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the aforesaid Act provides for continuance reported to have sought political asylum in of laws which were in force in the transferred Canada; territories immediately before the date of such transfer, unless otherwise provided by (b) the details of the case; and a competent authority. Disputes between private parties with regard to their rights in (c) the reaction of Canadian the land comprised in transferred territories Government ? are to be determined by a competent court of law. There are, however, some THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB differences between the two State Govern- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ments over the exchange of records of rights (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (a) No, of cultivators in respect of their lands in Sir. certain villages comprised in transferred territories. This is essentially a matter to (b) Does not arise. be sorted out between tbe two State Governments bilaterally at the appropriate (c) Does not arise. level. The Central Government would, however, be glad to extend such assistance as Report on Juveniles in Slums may be specifically required by them. National Crime Records Bureao 470. DR. CH1NTA MOHAN: Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state: 468. SHRI RAMASHRA Y PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of HOME . (a) whether the attention of Government AFFAIRS be pleased to state: has been drawn to a report on "Juveniles in slums-study of six slums in Bombay;" (a) whether Government have decided to (Nagarlok, lIPA, July-September, 1984); set up a National Crime Record Bureau; and and I (b) jf so, what corrective steps are (b) if so, the details thereof? proposed in the matter to overcome dC11inquency ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURITY THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (SHRI ARU N NEHRU) : (a) Yes, Sir. MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SARI GIRJDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) The Bureau has been set up with its headquarters at New De1hi, as an Attached (b) The article is based on a !.tudy on Office of the Ministry of Home Affairs. the status of juveniles in slums and impact Some Units of the Central Police of various organisations engaged in improving Organisations d~aling with Crime records the conditions. Various agencies of are proposed to he merged in the Bureau. Government as also voluntaty organisatons are engaged in improving the conditions. Asylum Sought by an Official of Indian Mission in Canada Launching of INSAT-IC 4@. SHRI K. RAMCHANDRA REDDY: 471. SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMAMURTY: SHRI ANAND SINGH: SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR : SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: DR. T. KALPANA DEVI : SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA· SHRI BARISH RAW AT: MURTY: PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI ,SHAKTAWAT : . Will the Minister or EXTERNAL SUR) K. PRADHANI : AFFA IRS be pleased to state. DR. B L. SHAILESH : (a) whether an official working io the Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Indian mis,ion iJl ~oroPto (~anada) is tp ~t~t~ ; PHALOUNA 1, 1907 (SAKA) WIlt UII "4",,,.. , to (a) whether there is any appre.hension craft under conditions which are mutually of delay in launching INSAT -IC satellite agreeable to NASA and to tbe Department later in September following the of Space (DOS). NASA fully appreciata "CballeDlcr" exposion on the 28th January, the need for a timely launch of the INSAT. i 1986; 1C spacecraft to provide an on-orbit backup to the lone INSAT -I B in operation. (b) if so, what are the alternative plans before the Government to avoid any delay [ Translation] in our space researcb programme; Metal Scrap in Central Proof RaR •• (c) whether the matter bas been taken Itarsi. Madhya Pradesh up with the National Aeronautics and 472. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : Space Administration of USA; and WiH the Minister of DEFENCE be p)ea.d to state: (d) if so, what is their reaction thereto ? (a) whether the lives of local rural adivasis always remain in danger beea.. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE they go to collect scattered metal scrap MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND from the Central Proof Range. Itani TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- (Madhya Pradesh); MBNTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND (b) whether 50 villagers died last year SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : due to grenade explosion while tryiol &0 (a) At present, a5 advised by NASA, coHect metal scrap; INSAT -1 C work is proceeding on the basis that the present flight assignment for (c) whether any effective measUreI far INSAT-tC, namely the STS Flight 61-1 with collection and disposal of metal scrap ba.. • planned nominal launch date of 27 been taken so that lives of local rural September 1986, will be maintained until adivasis arc not endangered; NASA notifies of any cbange which may be required. While tbe consequences of (d) whether Madhya Pradesh Gov.... • tbe STS Flight S1-L tragedy as they relate ment have sent proposal to the Miniat.., to the resumption of STS launches and the for amending the Manoeuvres Field Firial effect to the specific launch assignment on and Artillery Practices Act, 1238; and STS manifest are yet to be fully assessed, considering the 24 successful Space Shuttle (e) jf so, the action taken thereoD ? launcbes, it is hard to believe that the Space Shuttle has any generic problems, and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB there is a reasonable expectation that the DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- NASA Space Shuttle flights will be resumed TION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHltt in the second half of 1986 and that INSAT- SUKA RAM): (a) According to avail- Ie launch schedule will not be unduly able information 59 persons are reported to affected. have lost their lives while collecting scattered metal scrap, since tbe inception of tbe (b) The effect of US·NASA STS flight Central Proof Range at Itarsi (M. P.) ia resumption deJay. if any, will be confined 1972, which is a protected and prohibited to INSAT·IC and INSAT-ID launches. At area. the present moment, the Government does Dot consider it necessary to make alternate (b) No loss of life has been reported iD arrangements for tbe launching of INSA T- the year 1985 on this account. 1c and INSAT-ID satellites. (c) Col1ection and disposal of Metal (c) and (d). NASA is workJnR intensively scrap have not been found feasible beca_ to minimise the impacts of the January 28 of the large and difficult terrain of the pro, )OSI of Cballenger on STS customers and ofing range which males it difficult If baa allured tbat it would do its best to locate Ii\e b1inds lying on the ground c Jauncb INSAT· ~ ~ Jlnd JNSA T- I P space- b~ried deep. FEBItUARY~, 19'6 (d) and (e). A COrl"rnittee c('nstituted by the appointed by tbe Planning Commt!sion as State Government under the chairmanship consultants during the last three year; of~ Divilional Commissioner, Hoshan- gabad had {nler-olill given a suggestion that (c) the criteria and termt and cooditions the law should be made more stringent. This of their appointment; and is being examined. (d) the number of retired officers and [English] other specialists servin~ the Planning Commission at present as consultants? lJ1egal EDrt, of Foreigners into India THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE .473. SHRI SHARAD DIGHE: Will MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. the,Minister of HOME AFFA1RS be pleased PANJA) : (a) Yes, Sir. They are appointed to state: as non-official Consultants. (a) whether it is a fact that the Union (b) 17. GO\fernment are examinating the potential da08tr of foreigrers crossing the borders (c) They are appointed as nOll-official to sett}e down in Indja and demand voting consultants for undertaking specific studies rights; and which are of current interest to the PlalUlina Commission, 00 a monthly consolidated fee "" (b) if so, whether any instructions are upto Rs. 2500 for whole~tirne and Rs. 2000 per issued or are proposed to be issued by month for part-time, consultants. They are Government to bordl'f States to submit not entitled to any other allowances or reports in this regard and also to take Government accommodation, telephone etc. perlll4ncnt steps to prevent foreigners from However. they are entitled to pensionary iHepHy entermg the cou ntry ? benefits, in addition. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) Total number OJ non-official DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL Consultants as on date is 16~ out of whom SECURITY (S14RI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) 11 are retired Government servants. and 4b). India bas a long Land border. Having regard to this the possibility of illegal Proposal to Pre,ent PoliutioD crossing of foreigners into India cannot be ruled out. However, there have not been any 475. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE reports from border States in regard to the PATIL : Will the PRIME MINISTER be potential danger of large scale infiltration of pleased to state : foreigners from across the borders. There exist standing in4itruction with the State (a) wlJether Government are aware that Go'Vernmentl) to expel/push back the a Seminar to prevent pollution in air, water infiltrants as soon as they are detected at and noi~e in the counlry was organisf'd at the-borders. Action is also taken under the Naupada. Thane (Ma harasht ra) during th,. Foreigners Act, 1946 a~ain~t all I hose foreign last week of December. 19R5 whereit national who are found to he staying in India participants emphasised certain remedial illegally. steps to be taken to prevent pollution; Reappointment of Retired Officers as Consultants in Planning Commission (b) if so. details therefor; and . 474. DR. T. KAIPANA DEVI : Will (c) reaction of Government the Minister of PIANN1NG be pleased to the state : thereof? (a) whether there is a practice it the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Planning Commission to appoint retired MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND officers as consultants; FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) to (c). Informaaiua is beiDI coUeckd aDd will (b) if so, the number of retired offi~ers be. laid. on, th: table of tJle Sabba, PHALOUNA 1. 1901 (SAKA) Preseoce of Pakistani Delegation at the lines of National Thermal Power tbe Inauguration of Fast Breeder Corporation, as bas been disclosed to the Test Reactor press by tbe Chairman of the Nuclear Power Board; ~6. SHRISATYENDRA NARAYAN SINHA : Will the PlUME MINISTER be (b) whether nuclear power research and pleased to state : other related af..,tivities would be brought under the purview of tbe proposed (a) whether a Pakistani Atomic Energy Corporation; delegation bad attended the inauguration of lite Fast Breeder Test R.eactor at Kalpakkam (c) whether this Corporation will be in December, 1985; allowed to scout for financial resources in the capital market; and (b) whether this delegation also participated in tbe seminar on fast breeders Cd) when tbis proposal is lIkely to held there? materialise? (c) whether similar exchange of atomic THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV energy is e"perts being considered; and GANDHI) : (a) to (d). It has been decided (d) whether Government propose to in principle to set up a nuclear power offer technical assistance to Pakistan in its corporation. The details are being worked atomic energy programme provided it remains out. strictly peaceful ? [Tran~ I alion J THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND Construction of Guest/Rest Houses for TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE Army Personnel in Almora and DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN Pitboragarb, Uttar Pradesb DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI 478. SHRI HARISH RA WAT : Will SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) and (b). The the Minister of DEFENCE be pJeased to Chairman of tbe Pak istan A tornic Energy state ; cornmissoo accompanied by two other pakistani officials attended tbe International (a) whether his Ministry propose to Symposium on Fast Breeder Reactors as a construct guest houses CUld rest houses .for futue source of power held at Kalpakkam 00 army personnel in Almora; and Pithotaprb December 16 and 17, 1985. The Pakistani districts of Utatr Pradesh; and delegation, along with other foreign participants also attended the dedication of (b) if so, the time by which these tbe Madras Atomic Power Project II Reactor construction works will be taken up aDd tbe and the renaming ceremony of Reactor estimated expenditure likely to be incurred Research Centre as Indira Gandhi Centre thereof? for Atemic Resea~b. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) and (d). No further such exchanges DEPARTMENT OP DEFENCE are presently envisased between the two RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT countries. (SHRI ARUN SINGH): (a) No Sir, the Ministry of Defence does not propose to Setting up Nuclear Power Corporation construct guest houses or rest houses for army personnel in Almora and Pithoragarh 477. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Will districts of Uttar Pradesh. However, as per the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to information received from the State Govt., state : Sainik Rest Houses already exist in Almora and Pithoragarh. (a) whether there is any proposal to set up a separate N~lear Power Corporation on (b) Docs Dot arise. FEBRUARY 26, i986 Patel Commission on Eastern Uttar separately and specifically. The outlays are, Pr-adesb however, derived from tbe outlays under different plan heads. No request bas come 479. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI : Win from any State Government for greater the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to assistance to implement tbe 20·Point state : Programme during 1985-86. r:.1 0 rn as \0 ~ 0 ~ 8 rorl ~ COO ~ .-- ~ co'" Z rorl ._ . 0\ "00\ = 0 v) - ~ C O• uo.tof') .... 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I::: c: C 0 ~ 0 c 0 ~ 1:: ...... ~ -~ -~ ... f'lS = to IiIo\ ~ - N ._ «S GS c Do e E Qi - Co I C. - e a - 0. .. 0 I) .. .. U u .. rI) ., Q ., ~ ...... ::! Q 0 Q .. - - 1"1) 0; CI &:: - - - c - I a. "c:a. -=c. ~ "...... - GI ~ 4.1 - ..- " ::::- ¥ ...... Q.. Q Q Q =.... i ~ .- ==0 -2 2 --- . .... N ~ I() r--: aO .... ('ofe ,... f"f ~ ('of N ~ M N i07 Written Answer.r -FEBRUAiy 26, t986 India's concern over use of Force to launch INSA T -1 C after an inquiry into against Libya tbe explosion in 'Challenger' is over? 486. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANI· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB GRAHl: MINISTR Y OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF SHRIG.M. BANATWALLA OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACB (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL For NASA flight training and associated AFFAIRS be pleased to state : simulations etc., tbe Primary and the backup (a) whether Government of India bave Indian Payload Specialists for the STS/ expressed their concern over tbreats of use INSAT-IC Indian Payload Specialist Flight of force against Libya; and mission are required to be at the NASA Johnson Space Centre from only four months (b) if so, the detalis regarding India's before the scheduled launch date. role in its capacity as the Chairman of nOD- aligned movement regarding tbe situation (b) There is every expectation that after that has developed in the middle east? completion of the Challenger mishap investigations, NASA would soon resume THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE STS launches and tbat tbe INSAT-1 C MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS schedu1e would not be unduly affected. (SURI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes Sir. [Eng/i,h] (b) As Chairman of NAM, India under- took consultations at New York, and Agreement between India and Pakistan convened a meeting of the Coordinating regarding Nuclear Installations Bureau at the level of Permanent Repesenta- tives on February 6, 1986. The Coordinat- 488. SHRI ANAND SINGH: WiIJ ing Bureau expressed grave concern over the Minister of EXTERNAL AEFAIRS be threats and measures and possible use of pleased to state : force against Libya. The Communique adopted called upon all States to adhere to (a) whether during the recent official and observe the provisions of the Declara- level talks between India and Pakistan held tion on the inadmissibility of intervention in Islamabad in January, 1986, draft and interference in the internal affairs of agreements pledging not to attack each States contained in UNGA Resolution other's nuclear installations were exchanged; 36/103. The Bureau reaffirmed its support for and solidarity with Libya in safeguarding (b) if so, the details thereof; and its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. (c) the main objects and circumstance. leading to the exchange of the agreements ? [Translatlon1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Training of Indian Scientish Selected MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS for Flying with us Space Shuttle (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). During the Foreign Secretary's visit to KUMARI 487. PROF. NIRMALA Pakistan from January 16-21, 1986, the two PRIME SHAKTAWAT Will the sides exebanltd drafts and bad discussions MINISTER be pleased to state : OD a unified text. There will be further dieeussions. (a) whether two scientists lelected finally for flying with the US space shuttle had been sent to Johnson Space Centre at (c) To remove misapprehesioDS, it was Houston for receiving training; and agreed at India's initiative during Prime Minister's meeting with Gen. Zia on (b) if so, whether it would be possible December 17» 1985, that tho two countries PHALOUNA '. rl901· fSAKA) will work out an agreement whereby each THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wiJI undertake not to attack tbe nuclear MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS installations and facilities of the other. (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes. Sir. Libya's Imolvemeot In Terrorl.t. Acts . in Rome and Alhens (b) These discussions contributed to greater mutual understanding and coo perot ion 489. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Win between India and the USA. the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (c) Indo-US relations would be reviewed at every available occasion of contacts (a) whether India as the Chairman of between the representatives of the two the Non-Aligned, Movement bal taken note Governments. of Lihya's alleged involvement in the recent (d) The dates for the next session of· the terrorist acts in Rome and Athens; Indo-US Joint Commission would be decided through diplomatic channels. (b) jf so, what is the view of the NAM; and Poland's otTer for cleaning of river Ganga (c) whether any sanctions have been suggested by NAM against Libya? 491. PROF. K. V. THOMAS : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether Poland has offered a better MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS scheme for the cleaning operation of river (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) India O.lga; and bas seen reports of US allegations of Libya'. involvement In r~nt terrorist attacks (b) if so, details of the Scheme? at Rome and Vienna airports and bas taken note of Libya's denial thereof. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (b) and (c). The-Aligned Coordinating FO~ESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) No Bureau in New York considered the situation specific offer for the cleaning operation of facing Libya at a meeting specially convened Ganga has been received from Government for tbe purpose and issued a statement of Poland. affirming it~ full support for aD~ solidarity with Libya. (b) Does not arise. Indo-US Joint Com.lission Meeting Paticipation of States and Union Territories in Republic Day Parade 490. SHRI V. TULSI RAM: KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI : 492. SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Will the Minister of EXTERNAL to state : AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) how many States and Union (a) whether relations between India and Territories participated in the Republic Day the United States were discussed at the Indo- Parade of 1986 by sending their floats or US joint Commission meeting held at cultural groups; Washington recently; (b) whether Union Government have (b) if so, the outcome of discussions; any ~lans to make the participation by all (c) the time for which the new ties of States and Union Territories mandatory; and relations between these two countries wilt remain in force and when these are to be (c) if not, reasons thereof? reviewed next; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) wheth~r any date for the next DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- pl~ting of tbe' Commissioo bi'S ,~p q?,ed? , SEARCfI AND DEVELOPMENT (SHI~J III Written Answ~rl FEBRUARY 26, 1986 ARUN SINGH) : (a) Sixteen States and Plan period. apart from raising productivity on.e Union Territory prese·nted floats and/or levels in core economic sectors such as cultural groups in the Republic Day Parade agriculture, horticulture, animal husbandry, 1986 in New Delhi. forestry etc. aimed at assisting about 40 lakh tribal families, programmes in social services (b) and (c). Government have no plans sector such as health services including to make rarticipation by States and Union nutrition and drinking water supply and Territorj~s in tbe Republic Day Parade education will be taken up. In addition. mandatory. Participation is on voluntary measures for removal of exploitative basis. practice will be continued. Plantation of Eucalyptul Statehood for Andaman and Nlcobar Islands 493. DR. SUDHIR ROY : Will the PRIME ~11NISTER be pleased to state: 495. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOW- DHAR Y : Will the Minister of HOME (a) whether social forestry has failed to AFFAIRS be pleased to state: entbuse the poor people, specially the tribals, as Government lay main emphasis (a) whether Government are aware that only on plantation of Eucalyptus; and the people of Andaman and Nicobar Islandi have long been demanding the status of a (b) whether Government will change its State for their Islands ; and policy so that forestry programmes become (b) if so, the reaction of the Government subservient to the economic needs of the thereto ? poor 1 THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : (a) No such MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND demand has been formally brought to the FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSAR) : (a) and nOlice of the Government of India recently. (b). No, Sir. The guidelines issued by the Central Government advise against raising (b) Does not arise. monocultures (particularly these of Eucalyptus) in the tribal areas and many State Governments have also issued such Employment of Service Officers in DGI Organisation instructions. 496. SHRl AJIT KUMAR SAHA : Districts under Tribal Sub-Plan Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state; 494. SHRI AJOY BISWAS : WiH the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to (a) how many service officers are state: employed in the Inspectorate of General Stores at Calcutta, Bombay, Delhi and (a) the number of districts in the country Madras under DGI Oragnistation; covered under tribal sub-plan; and (b) the steps Government propose to (b) the type of st ores inspected by these take to develop the soctal conditions of the four inspectora tes; tribals in tribal sub-plan areas during Seventh (c) the Military duties/user experience Five Year Plan? required in the inspection; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI (d) whether the same job of inspection GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Tribal sub- can be undertaken by the Civilian Scientific Plan covers 26 districts fully and 97 districts Officers; and partly in the country. (e) if so, steps Government are taking (b) To improve the social and economic to reduce the wasteful development of ~ervi~e ~ondjf;o!lc; of the tribal people during Sev~ntl) Off_iCf"fS o~ ~on-miJitar>, duties 1 I I' • I / 113 Wrltt~n tf"JW~'" PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) WritteN Answer, J14 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB (b) if so, whether Union Government DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRO· have formu1ated the norms for seeking public DUCTION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES opinion on the recommendation of the (SHRI SURH RAM) : (a) 10 Service Mandai Commission; Officers are emoloyed in the four Inspec- torates of General Stores at Calcutta, (c) if so, the details of the norms; and Bombay, Delhi and Madras under the DGI Organisation. (d) if not, the reasons therefor? (b) The tynes of stores inspected by THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE these four I nc;pectorates cover the complete MINJSTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI GIRI- range of general stores, which inc1udes high DHAR GOMANGO) : (a) to (d). It has altitude colthing, extreme cold clothing and been decided to elicit pubHc opinion on the equipment. c10thning for parade and list of Other Backward Classes prepared by ceremonial occasions, war equipment tentage, the MandaI Commission. The modalities camouflage equiDmeot, harness and saddlery, for elidting such opinion were under mln drnrping/suoply dropping plrachutes, con::,ideration of the Government. Subse- brake parachutes f()r combat aircrafts, aerial quently in the light of the position obtaining deHvery equipment, mountain.:ering ski in certain part~ of the country a5 a result of equipment, implements uc;ed in preparation anti-reservation and pro-reservation of field Defence, special oils and lubricants agitation~, Home MlOister had addressed for com hat vehicles, equipment for Field Chief Ministers to consider the suggestion to maintain statu-i-quo till the emergence of Hospitals9 life preserver jacket'l, basic national consensus, on reservation Other textiles, timber, plalitic stores9 paints, for chemicals, durgs, pharmaceutic~h, POL Backward Classess. The suggestion has products etc. received favourable response from most of the Chief Mimsters. All the States were (c) User experience is essential in the addressed for detailed information on verious inspection of a large variety of general aspects of reservation to prepare a factual stores item<; \,.,hich have peculiar require- note in the matter, in the light of discussions ments of the Services for use in various field held by Prime Minister with the opposition conditions from deserts to high altitude leaders and the information received has areas and combat condition\i. been compiled for use in discussion on the Question of national concensus. (d) and (e). A high powered Committee Information from one State i~ still awaited. appointed by the Ministry of Defence h3d gone into the que~tion of indentification of the Negotiation \lith U. S. A. Over Hyper Pure Poy Silicon posts earlier held by Service officers. which could be fi Iled by civilian officers. The 498. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM: recommend;ltions of the Committee were Will the PRI~1E MINISTER be pleased to accepted and implemented by the Govern- state: ment in 1982. (a) whether it is a fact that India Mandai Commission Report for Public Opinion negotiated with USA for supply of Hyper Pure Poy Silicon; and 497. SHRI D. B. PATIL : wm the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state : (b) if so, the present stage thereof? (a) whether Union Government have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE informed all the States and Union Territories MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND on or about 16 November. 1985 that the TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- Union Government have decided to seek MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, public opinion about the list of castes to be ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND treated as other backward classess, as SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) recommended by Mandai Commission, and No. Sir. Government did not negotiate that norms are being forJIlulllted for that with Government of USA for the supply purpose; of Hyper Pure Silicon. 115 Written Answers FEBRUARY 26, 1~86 Written Answers lieS (b) Does not arise. (c) and (d). The Report of the Working Group on development of Scheduled Gastes Social-Economic Development of SCS/STs. and Scheduled Tribes during Seventh Five 499. KUMARl PUSHPA DEVI : Will Year Plan (1985-90) contaihing detailed guide- the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to Jines for implementing variou~ schemes and its state: recommendations on measures to be taken for the development of Scheduled Castes and (a) wh~ther GOvernment have giv~n top Scheduled Tribes have already been sent to priority for the s0cial-economic development all State Governments and Union Territory of S ... heJuled Ca~te., and Scheduled Tribes Administrations. The progress of during the Seventh Plan; implementation o~ the schemes taken up by them for the development of people belonging (b) if so, the amount earmarked in to these communities is reviewed during Seventh Plan for implementing various discussions on Special Component Plan and schemes for the socio-economic development Tribal Sub-Plan held both in the Ministry of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled of Welfare and the Planning Commission. Tribes; (c) the guidelines sent to the State [Translation] Governments for implementing various schemes pertaining to the Welfare of Central As~istance for Modernisation of Scbeduled Castes and Seheduled Tribes; and Police Force (d) the details thereof? 500. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN RAMJIBHAI MA VANI : Will the Minister THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state MINISTR Y OF WELFARE (SHRI the amount of assistan~e and grant given by GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) Ye", Sir. the Centre to different State Government (b) In the Seventh Five Year Plan, the during 1984 and 1985 for modernisation of total amount earmarked under Special police force and the amount of such Component Plan for the development of assistance and grant proposed to be given Scheduled Castes and under Tribal Sub-Plan during 1986 and 1987 ? for the development of Scheduled Tribes is estimated as Rs. 6303.32 crores and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Rs. 6199,63 crores, respectively, In addition DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL to this, Special Central Assistance amounting SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : The to Rs. 930 crores for the development of information is given in the enclosed Scheduled Castes and Rs. 756 crores for statement. The amount of assistance the development of Scheduled Tribes has proposed to be given during 1986-87 will be been earmarked in the Seventh Five Year subject to the funds being voted by the Plan. Parliament. Statement Name of the State Amount released Amount allocated Amount proposed to in 1984·85 in 1985-86 be given during 1986-87 1 2 3 4 - 1. A ndhra Pradesh 46.64 63.76 63.76 2. Asst!m 38.18 50.91 50.91 3. Bihar 47.74 63.65 63.65 4. Gu)arat 37.96 ~O.61 50.61 11' Wrillen AlUwBr" PHALGUNA ?, 1907 (SAKA) ffritten Answers 118 1 2 3 4 s. Ha ry ana 20.39 27.19 27.19 6. Himachal Pradesh 13.94 18.59 18.59 7. Jummu and Kashmir 20.52 27.36 27.36 8. Karnataka 31.52 42.03 42.03 9. Kerala 35.31 47.08 47.08 10. Madbya Pradesh 59.97 79.56 79.56 11. Maharashtra 56.46 75.28 75.28 12. Manipur 7.56 10.08 10.08 13. Meghalaya 8.48 11.31 11.31 14. Nagaland 8.85 10.78 10.78 15. Orissa 35.22 46.96 46.96 16. Punjab 113.07 37.38 37.38 17. Rajasthan 52.78 70.38 70.38 18. Sikkim 3.15 4.20 4.20 19. Tamil Nadu 56.35 75.14 75.14 20. Tripura 9.42 12.56 12.56 21. Uttar Pradesh 68.02 104.06 104.06 22. West Bengal 53.35 71.13 71.13 82J.815 1000.40 1000.00 Reorganisation Qf Indian Administrative in the cadre allocation of direct recr-uits. Service The new system of allocation is such as to ensure equitable distribution of high ranling 501. SHRI R. M. BHOYE : WIll the and low ranking candidates in various cadres PRlME MINISTER be pleased to state : of the Indian Administrative Service and effect greater interregional modility which (a) whether Government have taken wHI help in national integration. Thus, steps for the reorganisation on Indian various aspects concerning the Indian Administrative Service; and Administrative Service, are receiving Government's attention. (d) if so, tbe details in this regard? [English] THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL,. PUBUC Follow UP Action on Public Grievances GRIEV ANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. 502. SHRI SANAT KU~fAR CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). Govern- MANDAL : Will the PRIM E MINISTER ment -bas be~n reviewing various aspects of be pleased to state: the recruitment, training and career management of th~ members of the Indian (a) what measures have been taken to Administrative Service. As regards training, bUlld the necessary infrastructure not only at dle {io~nment bas started one·week central level Ministries/Departments but also refresher courses and longer duration training in other public dealing bodies like the Delhi courses for members of the Indian Development Authority, Municipal Corpora- Administrative Service. Another decision tion of Delhi to ensure quick redress~1 of taken by Government is regarding the change public grievances; 119 Written Allswer, FEBRUARY 26,1986 W,lIlen AnoSwer' 120 (b) whether any follow-up action is grievance officers at various levels taken by tbc respective Grievances Cell or is given in the attached Statement such other institutional agencies to drive I Some examples of arrangements made the matter to a logical conclusion; for redress of public grievances in departments having wider public contact (c) if so, details thareof; and including Delhi Development Authority and Municipal Corporation of Delhi, are siven (d) if not, the reasons therefor? in attached Statement II. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) to (d). Departments are monitoring MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC the disposal of grievances. The Department GRIEVANCES AND PENSiONS (SHRI P. of Administrative Reforms and Public CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) A hst of MinIstriesl Grievances also gets a half-yearly return Departments who have apPQlDted on tbe progress of disposal of grievances. Statement-I List of Ministries/Departments who have appointed Grievance Officers The following Mmistries/Departments have appointed officers to deal with public grievances and settmg up of Grievances Cells : Ministry / Department Rank/Designation of the Grievance Officer 1 2 1. Posts (i) Directorate-Director. (ii) Crile-Asstt., Post Master Generel (iii) Region - Regional Director, (iv) Division-Divisional Supdt. (v) GPO-Suggestion and Complaint Book is kept at Enquiry Counter. 2. Telecommunications (i) Directorate-Director. (ii) Single Window P.G. Cell-Divisional Engineer. 3. Health and Family Welfare (0 Ministry-Deputy Secretary. (ii) DGHS has been designated Chief Commissioner for Grievances for tbe purpose of redress of grievances regarding medical care facilities in Delhi/New Delhi. (iii) Hospitals-Dy. Medical Supdt. CMO acts as Grievance Redressal Officer. 4. Banking 0) Banking Division-Director (ji) Customer Serviec Centre - ResioDal Managcr of each bank. (iii) Banks-'May I HeJp You' Counter. Written Answer, l~~ 1 2 5. Railway. (I) Railway Board - Member (Staft') and Director (E and R) (ii) Zonal level-Addl. General Manager ISr. Dy. General Manager (iii) Divisional level-Add1. Divisional Manager. (iv) Railway Station-An Officer on Special Duty mans PG Booth. 6. Urban Development (i) Ministry-Deputy Secretary (ii) DDA-Public hearings are held by Vice- Chairman, Member (Engineering), Member (Finance), Commissioner (Housing), Commis- sioner (Lands) and Director (Slum and JJ) on prescribed days. . 7. Commerce (i) Ministry-Director. \ (ji) CCI and E-Public Relation Officer (a Dy. CCI and E) (iii) lceI and E-Vigilance Officer (a CI and E) acts as Complaints Officer. 8. Revenue Additional Secretary. 9. Central Board of Direct Taxes Grievance Cell works direct under the Chairman, CBDT. 10. Central Board or Excise and (i) Hqrs.-Director (Customs), Deputy Secretary Customs (Land Customs), Dy. Secretary (Central Excise) and Chief Vigilance Officer. (ii) In Collectorates/Customs Houses, there are public grievance committees headed by a ColJeaor. (iii) Airports-Public Relation Officer. 11. Civil Aviation (i) Department-Deputy Secretary (ii) lAAI-DD (Operations) (iii) Air India-An officer of the rank of Manager. (iv) Indian Airlines- (8) Commercial Manager (Customer Service) in Hqrs. (b) Sr. Dy. Commercial Manager in Regional Hgrs. (v) Delhi Airport-Complaint Countet. i23 Written An,.wers FEBRUARY 26. 1986 Written A",,.,,r, t~4 1 2 12. Coal (i) Department-Director. (ii) Grievance Redress Machinery has been set up at appropriate levels by Coal Controller's org., Coal Mines Welfare Org, Bharat Coking Coal Ltd.. Western Coalfields Ltd. and Singareni CoUieries Ltd. 13. Mines Deputy Secretary (No Grievance Cell has been set up however). 14. Labour (i) Ministry-Deputy Secretary (ii) Emigration Division-Joint Secretary/Protector General of Eminragts hold public bearing OD threr days every week. 15. Food Director. 16. Civil Supplies Deputy Secretary. 17. Defence Director. - -_ ------ Stat ement-II to provide "on-the-spot .. redress", to people's problems. Lok Nayak Some examples of the arrangement made Jai Prakash Narain Hospital has also for redress of public grievances in depart- made similar arrangements. ments having wider public contact are: -A Centralised . Customer Service -Public Grievance booths have been Centre Scheme has been introduced set up at the mam RaiJway Stations in the national ised banks, wi tb one in the four Metropolitan Cities to of the banks acting as a coordinating provide on-tbe-sport redress. Tbese agency, for expeditious redress of normalJy receive compJaints regarding public grievanccs. Inj.ti~lly start~ in matters of reservations and refunds. the four metropolitan cities, the The officer-in-charge of the booth scheme has been extended to eighteen tries to sort out the problem with the capital/major cities. The banks are help of offiCials concerned at the trying to encourage "on-the-spot- Station. redress" through the 'May I Help You' counter where any customer can take -A 'Single Window' system has been bis problem and the official aUending introduced in the Department of the counter helps in overcominl the Telecommunications. same. -A 'Redressal of Grievances Committee' was set up by the -The Joint SecretarY/Protector General Mmistry of Health and Family of Emigration and Deputy Emigration Welfare in January, 1985 to deal witb hold a public hearing for two hours grievances relating to medical care every Monday, Wednesday and Friday facilities in Safdarjuog Hospital, Dr. to hear emigration matters. Where Jlam Manohar Lobia Hospital and prompt redress cannot be provided. Smt. Sucheta Kriplani Hospital, New the petitioner is given an entry slip for Delhi. These hospitals have also the following evening. The publ ic nominated Grievance Redress Officers bc::rina system is being extended to t~S Wtltltn An,wlri PHALGUNA 7, I~' (SAKAl Written Answers 126 all seven offices of the Protectors of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Emigrants located at Delhi, Bombay, MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Calcutta, Chandigarb, Madras, (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes Cocbin and Trivandrum. Sir.. - Department of Posts have made (b) and (c). Boundary demarcation work prOVISIOn for 'Suggestion and along the Indo-Bangladesh border near Tin Complaint Books' in all the GPOs Bigha, but excluding it, started on January which are avaiJable _ at Enquiry 28, 1986. On that day, the joint survey Counters. The Postmasters have to team demarcated part of the boundary see these daily so that action is between India and Bangladesh at Dahagram- initiated on all the complaints with Angorpota. The next morning when the out any delay. joint survey team arrived at the work site', they found that the marker fixed on the -Delhi Development Authority has ground after measurement the previous day, devised a public hearin~ system to had been uprooted during the night and a make the grievance redress machinery large number of agitators had gathered inside more effective and public oriented. the Bangladesh enclave of Angorpots, who Days and timingc; have been fixed for were shouting slogans against the demar- such hearings 10 be held by Vice cation. Our s~curity personnel on duty Chairman, Member (Engineering), could not provide protection for the Member (Finance), Commissioner Bangladesh survey team within their enclave (Housing), Commissioner (Lands) and and so at their request the work bad to be Director (Slum and JJ). suspended. From our side, we are ready to resume demarcation in the area at any time -Municipal Corporation sof Delhi bas convenient to the Bangladesh side. which has set up grievance Cell in the been conveyed to them. Commissioner's office as well as in all the 10 Zonal Offices of the Corpora- The allegations about India having tion. Commissioner, MCD himself thwarted survey work at Tin Bigha as a bears Public Grievances on t~o days resuJt of not having taken adequate precau- every week. tions are completely unfounded. Revenue and law and order officials of Cooch Bihar, News Item Captioned "Tin Bigha Suney as well as BS F personneJ, were present on the Indian side of the 'border to ensure the by Banl:;la Team thwarted" security of the survey team. They could not, however, prevent agitation within the 503. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL : Bangladeshi enclaves. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pJeased to state: [Translation] (a) whether his attention has been drawn Rerommrndations of Bilingual Committee to the news item captioned "Tin Bigha survey by BangIa Team thwarted" appearing 504. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY : Will in tbe 'Indian Express' dated tbe 3rd the Minister of PROGRA~1ME IMPLE- February, ) 986 stating inter-alia about MENTATION be pleased to state: inadequate security arrangements made by India for conducting joint Survey by India (a) whether the Bilingual Committee has and Bangladesh of the Tin Bigha Strip to made certain recommendations in regard to link certain BangIa Desh enclaves with the evaluation and implementation of pro- main land under the Indira-Mujib agree- grammes; ment of 1974; (b) if so, the details thereof; (b) "if so, the facts of the case; and (c) the details of the recommendations (c) tbe stage at which tJlc JllaU~r stJlnds accepted and of those not accepted witll J\t present ? reasons therefor; an~ 121 Written Answer, FBBRUARY 26, 1986 "rltl." ~",.." I H (d) the effect of the accepted recom- (b) if so, the reaction of State Govern- mendations on programme implementation? ments in this regard ? THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMMB THE MINISTBR OP STATE IN THB IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. MINISTR Y OP PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GHANI KHAN CHOUDHARY): (a) to GRIEV ANCBS AND PENSIONS (SHRI (d). The Ministry of Programme Implemen- P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). Yes, tation has neither constituted any 'Bilingual Sir. A suuestion was made to the State Committee' nor is aware of the existence of Governments in December, 1983 to consider such a Committee. setting up or a separate cell/Department of Pension and Pensioners' Welfare to look (English] into the problems and welrare of their pensioners. Progress of Wire-Fencing work along Bangladesh Border Responses aro comins In from the State. and they are very encouraging. 50S. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: Clearaaee to Hlmatha. Pradesh for Felilag Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS of Tree. for Varlou. Schtme. be pleased to state : S01. PROP. NARAIN CHAND (a) the pTogres~ made so far in regard PARASHAR: Will tho PRIME MINISTER to wire-fencing along the Bangladesh Border; be pleased to state : and (a) wbetber Government have received (b) the nature of the work done and the a number of scbemes for clearance from the amount spent so far? State Government or Himachal Pradesh. involving the fellinl of trees. for the construc- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ti(\n of roads, drinking water supply and DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- irrigation schemes during the past three years RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) and (b). including the current financial year. up to 31 January. 1986; As yet no wire fencing work has been undertaken. The Government have so far spent a sum of Rs. 7.55 lakhs on survey (b) if so, tbe details of the schemes and work. the action taken by Government in respect of each one of them; and Separate Agencies in States for Welfare of Pensioners (c) tbe names or sucb schemes as are still pending for clearance and the reasons 506. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: fOT, delay? Will tbe PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Union Government has MINISTRY OP ENVIRONMENT AND advised tbe Union Territories as well as tbe FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): Statement List showing upto-date position 0/ proposals received from the Government of Himachal Prad~sh lor construction of roads, wat~r supply and irr/Ilition proJects, during 1983, 1984. 1985 and upt9 31st January, 1986 S1. No. District Area Purpose Remarks 1 2 3 4 s 1983 1. Una 13.80 ba. Water supp1y Scheme The Govt. of H.P. was requested to furnish certain essential information related to the pro- posal on 4-4-1983 and reminded on 6-3-1984. No reply has been received so far. 2. Bilaspur 2.16 ha. Construction of Bridge Approved. The State Government road. of. H . P. was informed of the decision on 20· 6-1983. 3. Balaspur 3.6 ha. Construction of road. Approved. Tbe Gov-t. of H,P. was informed of tbe de.cisioD OD 31-8-1984. 4. Kulu 5.63 ha. Improvement of bye- The Govt. of H.P. was Wlues~ pass. to furnish certain essential infor- mation related to tbe proposal on 27.6-83. No reply has been received. 5. Solan 0.226 ha. National Highway Approved. The Govt. of H.P. was informed of the decision on 16-7-1984. 6. Mandi 1.75 ha. Main canal. The Govt. of H.P. y,as requested to furnish certain essential infor- mation related to the project 00 17·8·1983. The State Govt. was reminded on 6-3-1984, 22-6-1985,29-8-1984,17-11-1984 and telegraphically reminded on 30-7-1985. No reply bas been received so far. 7. Kanara 3 ha. Alignment of road. The Govt. of H. P. was reques- ted to furnish some essential information on 10-9-85. No reply has been received. ~1(t1ARY 2~, t9~ 1 2 3 4 J984 1. Bilaspur 7.08 ba. Road alignment The Oovt. of H P. wal requested (1(01 Dam) to furnish some esse-ntial information related to the case on 7-5-1985. A telegraphic reminder was sent on 17-7-1985. Reminders were sent on 3-9-1985 and 11-10-85. No reply bas been received so far. 2. Hamirpur 3.0 hal Construction of road. The Govt. of H.P. was requested to furnish certain essential infor- mation related to the proposal on 7-4-1984. Reminded on 7-2-198S. No reply bas been received so far. 3. Chamba 982.71 hal Chamera Hyde} Project Approved. The Govt. of H. P. informed of the decision on 6-2-1986. 4. Una 0.184 ha. Water supply scheme. Approved. The Govt. of H. P. informed of the decision on 11·'-19S4. 5. Una 2.42 bat Construction of road. The Govt. of H.P. was requested to furnish certain essential information related to the proposal on 27-8-1984. Remin- der sent on 14·8·1985. No reply bas been received. 6. Lahul 23.18 ha. Thirot Hyde} Project. The State Govt. of H. P. was requested to furnish some essen- tial information on 23-10-1984. A reply is stIll awaited despite repeated reminders. 7. Shimia 1.10 ha. Road alignment. Approved. The Govt. of H. P. was intimated of tbo decision on 13-2-1985. 8. Shimla Not indica- Construction of road. The Govt. of H. P. was requested ted by the to furnish some essential infor- .state Go.'t. mation related to the proposal on 7-8-1985. A repl, is still awaited. PHALGUNA 7, lJCr7 (SAKA) 1 2 3 4 s 9. Shimla Not indicated Constroction of road. The Oovt. of H.P. was requested by the State tJ furnish some essential infor- Govl. ma tion reI a ted to the proposal on 17 -12 .. 1984. Reminders sent on 18-6-1985 and 18-7-1985. No reply has been received. 10. Harnirpur 3.02 ba. Construction of The Govl. of H.P. was requested Cbabutra-Amroh to furnish some essential infor- road. mation on 13-9-1985. No reply bas been received ro far. 11. Mandi 105.46 ha. Construction of road. The Govt. of H.P. was requested to furnish some essential infor- mation on 18-6-1 ~86. No reply bas been received so far. 1985 1. Hamirpur 1.S ha. Construction of road. Rejected. The decision was communicated to the State Government on 23-3-1985. 2. Mandi 4 Bighas Construction of road. Approved. The Govt. of H.P. was informed of the decision on 5-8-1985. 3. Shirola 0.10 ha. Construction of road. The proposal of the State Government was returned with the request to furnish some essential details on 5-8-1985. Proposal not received back so far. 4. Shimla 3.36 ha. Construction of road. The proposal of the State Government was returned in orilina) for want of signature of the C.C.F. and other details in the case on 5-8-1985. It bas not been received back so far. S. Kangra 25.91 ha. Constrw:tlon of road The proposal of the State Government was returned in original with the request to submit the same with some details on 15-10·1985. Reminded GO 2.8-1-1986. No reply bu .. noeived 10 fu. FEBRUARY 26,1986 Wrltt~" A,,,w~r. 136 1 2 3 4 5 6. K.ulu Not indicated Water channel The proposal was returned to by the State tbe State Government on Govt. 13-8-1985 for want of Sketch map and other essential details. No reply has been rece,ved. 1. Kinnaur 4.97.18 ha. Construction of road. The proposal was returned to the State Government on 3-9-1985 with the request to furnish some essential detaJls related to the proposal. No reply has been received so far. 8. Kulu 12.63 ha. Construction of The State Government was approach road. requested to furnish some essen- tial information related to the proposal on 11-9-1985. No reply has been received so far. 9. Not indicated Not indicated Construction of The proposal was returned to by the State by the State Matiana-Baragaon the State Government with the Government. Government. road. request to submit the proposal in the prescribed proforma alonawith sketch map etc. on 30-9-1985. No reply has been received so far. 10. Kinnaur 53.94 ha. CorJstructjon of The proposal has been conSJ- Nathpa-Jhakri HEP. dered by the Advisory Committee in its meeting heJd on 7-2-1986 and is being further processed. 1986 11. Shimla Not indicated Construction of The Government of " imacbal by the State Cbalia -Gboond Pradesh bas been requested to Government. road. furnish certain essential infor- mation rela ted to tbe proposal on 13·2·1986. A reply IS awaited. ------. - -- ~~------137 Wrltttn A""we;, PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Recruitment to Delhi Police from (d) if so, the details thereof; and Neighbouring States (e) if not, the reasons for excluding 508. PROF. NARAIN CHAND Himachal Pradesh from the purview of this PARASHAR : Will the Minister of HOME recruitment? AFFAIRS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the recruitrnen t to the Delhi DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL police and the Delhi Armed Police bas been SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : conducted in the neighbouring States during (a) Yes. the last five year; (b) The details are given in the attached (b) if so, the names of the States and statement. the number of Jawans recruited from each (c) and (d). Recruitment of constables State during each one of these years; from Himachal Pradesh will be made during 1986. The dates for sending the recruitment (c) whether has also been decideJ to it parties to Himachal Pradesh are yet to be include Himachal Pradesh for this purpose finalised. and some stations have been selected for conducting this recruitment; (e) Does not arise. Statement Slate-wise recruitment ofjawans from 1.1.81 to 31-12-85 Sl. Year State No. of candidates No. selected for appoint- ment 1. 1981 Rajasthan 8 2. 1982 -do- 371 3. -do- Madhya Pradesh 125 4. -do- Uttar Pradesh 621 5. -do- Kerala 264 6. -do- Maharashtra 134 7. 1983 Rajasthan 17 8. -do- Uttar Pradesh 2 9. -do- Haryana 17 10. -do- Bihar 14 11. -do- Maharashtra 15 12. 1984 Himachel Pradesh 16 13. 1985 Bihar 61 14. -do- Madbya Pradesb 9 IS. -do- Rajasthan 56 16. -do- Karnataka 89 17. -do- Andh ra Pradesh 21 18. -do- Kerala 643 139 Wrltlen Ali",,,, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Collaborative Projects of Central THE MINISTER ON STATE IN THE Mecbanical Engineering Research Institute, Durgapur MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- 509. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND state : SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the collaborative project of Central Mechanical Engineering Research (b) The general approach to selection of Institute, J)urgapur, Nos. 468.52 04 with research projects in national laboratories is SAIL, Ranchi and 421.MD.42 with to assess the extent to which tbey are TISCO, Jamshedpur of 1982 and 1980 were expected to fulfil the basic objectives of the completed or discontinued; and Technology Policy Statement of the Govern- ment. (b) if so, the reasons for discontinua- tion? (c) A Statement indicating the lists of projects undertaken by CMERI during the THE MINISTER, OF STATE IN THE last three years including projects kept in MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND abeyance/dropped is enclosed. All research TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE projects afe taken up keeping in view various DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOP- factors including technical and economical MENTS, ATOMIC ENERGY, viabilities. Similar considerations govern ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI projects which are kept in abeyance/ SHIVRAJ V. PA TIL) (a) Both the dropped. Projects were completed. Cd) No, Sir. (b) Does not arise. Statement Research Projects by Central Mechanical I. List of projects taken 10 1983-84 at Engineering Research Institute, CMERI, Durgapur Durgapur 510. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will 1. Investigation into factors affecting performance of cold storage. the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 2. Development of large volume plasma system. (a) whether some National Laboratories of Council of Scientific and Industrial 3. A study on possibility of Scale up for Research like Central Mechanical Engineering flow of waxy crude oil through pipe Research Institute, Durgapur fulfils tbe lines. objective of performing Research in the national interest; 4. Condition monitoring of power plant equipment. (b) whether they are taking Research projects during the last three years in 5. Design and development of tractor accordance with the Technology Policy operated reaper. Statement of Government of India and the priority areas; 6. Design and development of micro hydraullic turbine plant. (c) if so, the details regarding all the projects taken during the period with 7. FJuidised bed gasification of coal. technical and economical viability including projects kept in abeyance/dropped with 8. Rudder force toraque measurement on respective reasoning may be provided; and rudder stock of yard 1089 survey craft for Indian Navy. (d) whether those projects are taken for career proscessioD at the cost of public 9. Design and development of paddy Cuoda ? transplanter. PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) 10. Design and development of high speed 10. Design and development of dust §pindte. extraction plant. 11. Development of cold pressure butt 11. Design and development of mechanical welding machine and process. handling and processing of city garbage pilot plant. 12. Standardisation of manufacturing processes of fishing hooks for rural artisans. 11. Design and development of leather processing machinery. n. I,ist of proffcfs dropped at eMERT, Dur«Bpur in 1983-84 13. Modular construction of machine tools. 1. Vibration Study on Open Web Structure. IV. List of projects taken in 1985-86 at eMERI. Durgapur 2. Setting up of a Micro-Processor IJaboratory . 1. Appropriate technology for manufactural of fishing hooks by rural artisans. 3. Setting up of Ie Engine Laboratory. 2. Design and development of agricultural 4. Utnisation of Agricultural waste machinery. Materials. 3. Development of industrial machinery. 5. Monograph on Compact Heat Exchanger of Fin and Flat Tube Type. 4. Design and development of heat exchanger and cryogenic equipment. Ill. T.'~t or "roiect~ taken in 1984~85 at eMERT, Durgapor 5. Development of software/hardware for robotics application in hazardous 1. To evaluate the performance of (1) Epo'Jtv situation. coocrete for mach;ne structures and (11) Epoxy mortar for machine founda- Increase in Cost of TVs tion. 2. Improvement in development of cylinder 511. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Will valve assembly for use with deep wen the PRIME MINISTFR be pleased to hand pump mark -II. state : 3. A study on reliability and optimisation (a) whether it is a fact that cost of of engineering Plants. television is going to increase because of tax levies; and 4. Design and development of deairing pug mill. (b) if so, the details of the increased taxes? 5. Development of fabric washing machine. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6. Design and development of machinery MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND for coir briquetting. TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- 7. Design and development of pressure cum MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, pulveriser for coconut shell. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) 8. Development of vibration test rig for As on date, there is no increase in tax levies battery testing. on Television sets, leading to increaiC in cost of TVs. 9. Develoment of wheel chair for physically handicapped. (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. 143 Writlell Answe, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 ""ltt~n AIIIW", 144 Cultural Ties with Afri CBD Countries 1 2 512. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : IS. Guinea 'Bissau 1 (a) the approxim~te numher of people of 16. Gabon 10 Indian origin settled in the Africnn continent, (country·wise); and 17. Guinea 2 (b) whether anv proposals ~re under 18. Ivory Coast 144 consideration Government sendin~ of of 19. Kenya 70,000 cultural delegations to those African countriec; for the purpoc:e stren1!thening cultural tie~ of 20. Liberia 3,066 the lndianc; c:ettled thrre ? 21. Lesotho 600 THE MINTSTER OF STATE IN THE Madagascar 21,500 MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 22. (SHRI T<. R. NARAYANAN)' (a) The 2~. Mali 11 aporoximate figure of oeople of Indian oriJ,!in ~ett'ed in the sub-Saharan African Contjnent 24. Mauritius 6.85,296 (country-wise) is as under: 25. Mozambique 5,000 Malawi 5,000 Country Approximate No. 26. of people of 27. Nigeira 14,000 Indian origiT'l 28. Niger 23 1 2 29. Rwanda 300 30. Seychelles 5,130 1. Angole 10 31. Sierre Leone 500 2. Benin 250 32. Senegal 31 3. Burundi 250 33. Swaziland 100 34. South Africa 8,50,000 4. Botswana 1200 35. Tanzania 40,000 5. Cape Verde 36. Togo 85 6. Cameroon 150 37. Burkino Fasso 56 7. Chad 2S 38. Uganda 1,200 8. Central African Republic 6 39. Zanzibar 3,050 9. Congo 15 40. Zimbabwe 1,55,000 41. Zaire 2,600 10. Comores 40 42. Zambia 25,000 11. Ethiopia 2900 12. Equatorial GUlna 10 (b) Visits of cultural delegations from India to various countries in Africa is a 13. Gambia 93 cootinuing process and proposals to this effect are reaular)y under consideration by the 14. Ghana 1189 Government. PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SArA) Written AnIWtr, 146 Indian Trade Representative in (b) No suet} complaint has come to Hong Kong notice. 513. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY (c) Doe~ not arise. Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Institutions for Welfare of Hiadlcapped (a) the approximate number of people 515. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA of Indian origin settled in Hong Kong; Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased and to state: (b) whether there is any representatives (a) whether there are Government of the Indian Government at Hong Kong aided or Government run separate welfare looking after the trade and commerce of organisations for the deaf and dumb and Indians with Hong Kong and other near by menta)]y retarded; count,ies? (b) if so, whether their intake is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sufficient to provide fot these handicapped people; and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI K. R. NARA Y ANAN) (c) if not, the steps being taken by (a) There are approximately 20,000 Government to provide welfare institutions persons of Indian origin in Hong Kong. for all handicapped people? (h) The Commisc;ion of India, Hong THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Kong represents the Government of India MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI in Hong Kong. The office is beaded by GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) There are the Commissioner of India who looks after, a large number of institutions for- the deaf inter ali t1, our com mercial interests in and dumb and the mentally retareed mana- Hong Kong. ged by voluntary organisations and State Governments. Protection to Handicraft Centres Product!' agair.st High (b) No, Madam: Technology Prod ucts (c) Government in addition to the 514. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: efforts made by State Government of Iadia Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased is actively assisting voluntary organisations to state: to establish more institutions for the handi- capped, Government gives grant- in-aid for (a) whether Government propose to construction of building. for meeting staff increase grants to voluntary organistions costs, for maintenance of schools and hostels, engaged in social welfare work; etc. (b) whether any of the State Social Safeguards against Radiation Effects Welfare Boards have com plaited that the on Workers of Indian Rare Eartbs employment generating welfare work like- I.imited handicraft centres, sewing centres, etc. which they organise a re threatened by high 516. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: technology prodt:cto;;; and SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE : (c) if so, steps Government propose Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleastd to take to protect the employment generating to state: technologies which help socially disad- vantaged women and other weaker sections? (a) wbether Government are aware that due to exposure to radiation. the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE workers engaged in the Indian Rare Earths MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI Limited under the Department of Atomic GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) ThiS has Energy have suffered from caoccr, beart to be within the available resources. disease, prcmat\lfe aaeina, et~t; 147 JVrltt~" A1U"~rJ F!BItUARY 2~. 1981) (b) if so. to what extent the study THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE conducted by the Forum for Occupational MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Health and Environmental Studies in this FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) and regard is correct; and (b). Based OD assessment of the pollution problems of the Cement Plants in the (c) the steps taken by Government to country, emission standards have been safeguard the workers enaged in the 1ndian specified under the provision of the (Preven- Rare Earths Limited from such dreaded tion and Control of pollution) Act. 1981. A diseases? Task Force has been set up to check the levels of pollution from different units and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to work out a time table for compliance MIN1STR Y OF SC1EN("E AND TECHNO- of the standards. Measures for noise LOGY AND lN THE DFPARTMENTS abatement are being taken under the provi- OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC sions of the Factories Act and civic laws. ENERGY. ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) to (c). Government has seen a study report on the Social Forestry Programmes occupational health hazards at IRE. Alwaye, conducted by Kerala Sasthra Sahitya Parishat, Trichur Investigations conducted 518. SHRIMATI JAYANTJ by the Government have, however, revealed PATNAIK: Will the PRIME MINISTER that workers of Indian Rare Earths Limited be pleased to state : have not contracted cancer. heart diseases, etc. as a consoquence of their work environ- (a) whether Government have prepared ment. The study appears to have relied a massive programme and included it in upon inaccurate and incomplete information. the Seventh Five Year Plan to increase areas Woxke('5 at IRE Ltd. are subject to annual under social forestry; medical check up. The Company ensures tbat workers are not exposed to radiation beyond tbe levels specified by Safetv Review (b) if so, the additional areas in Orissa Committee of the Department of Atomic and other States to be covered under social Energy which stipulates the levels in accor- forestry io tbe above plan periOd; and dance with the standards laid down by the International Committee on Radiololica\ Protection. (c) the amount earmarked to implement such social forestry programmes in different States during that plan period? Dust EmissIon and Abatement of Nofse in Cement Plants THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 517. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) Yes, Sir. Will the PRIME MINISTER be p1eased to state: (b) and (c). A Statement indicating the (a) whether Government propose to afforestation targets for various States/U.Ts. conduct a comprehensive assessment of for 1985-86 is annexed. The details of pollution problems of the cement plants in amount earmarked in different States to the country; and implement the social forestry programme during the 7th Five Year Plan period are (b) if so, the meac;ures Government being collected and would be laid on the propose to adopt to r.!duce dU(it emis~ion Tahle of the House, along with the area and aNtemont of noise in tbe cement targets CQr the remaiaing years of the plaut 1 Plan pori04. - . . Wrlt.ff Auwrl ISO Statement Targets fixed under the New I.O.Point Programme for the Year 1985.86. SI. Name of the Afforestation Social Farm Forestry No. State/V.T. seedlings to Forestry (No. ill lakbs) be planted (Area in (in lakhs Nos.) ha.). 1 2 3 4 s 1. Andhra Pradesh 2600 30000 1200 2. Assam 400 12000 120 ·3. Bihar 1500 26000 400 4. Gujarat 2550 35000 2000 5. Haryana 950 18350 450 6. Himachal Pradesh 5S0 17000 100 7. Jammu and Kashmir 350 13350 l33 8. Karnataka 2500 28000 1400 9. Kerala 600 3000 SOO 10. Madhya Pradesh 3500 60000 800 11. Maharashtra 2000 60000 1000 12. Manipur 120 2300 IS 13. Meahalaya 130 3000 20 14. Napland 180 6000 40 15. Orissa 2142 17000 200 16. Punjab 527 2012S 300 17. Rajasthan 820 40000 4SO 18. Sikkim 82 2000 5S 19. Tamil Nadu 1100 40000 270 20. Tripura 150 3300 7 21. Uttar Pzadab 3250 5332S 2400 aa. W.. t ....l lWO '1600 'SO 151 Written AlISwe;', FEBRUAkY 26, 198~ Written inswt" 152 ---~- 1 2 3 4 5 Union Territories: 3 23. Andman and Nicobar 95 380 Islands 24. Arunachal Pradesh 100 2500 5 25. Chandigarh 2.90 60 2 26. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 30 300 5 27. Delhi 25 500 4 28. Goa, Daman and Diu 32 310 10 29. Mizoram 700 66400 8 30. Pondicherry ]0 200 3 31. Daksbadweep 0.04 28095.94 5,20,000 12600 Repatriation of Indian Ci,il Detainees In respect of missing defence personnel, the and Missing Defence PersonneJ Pakistan Governmen.t have agreed that from Pakistan a concerted attempt would be made out of 519. SHRI C. MADHA V REDDI humanitarian considerations to locale the Will tbe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Indian defence personnel missing since 1971. be pleased to sta te : Santhanam Committee Recommendations (a) the number of Indian civilian on Corruption detainees and missing defen ce personnel in Pakistan since 1971; 520. SHRI B. V. DESAI : SHRI M. V. CHANDRA- (b) whether the question of their SHEKARA MURTHY: repatriation to India has been discussed with Pakistan Government; and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (c) if 50, with what results? to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Santhanam Committee MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Report is being re-examined to see bow it (SHRI l{. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Around can help 'he Government in ensuring 850 including 43 defence personnel missing speedier cODviction of corrupt officials; and since 1971. (b) if so, how many recommendations of (b) Yes Sir. the santhanam Committee have been fully implemented '1 (c) 63 civilian detainees have been repatriated to India on 20-2-86. Other THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE civilian detainees who have completed their MINI~TRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC sentence will be repatriated by 31st March GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. 1986 as aarced during the visit of Foreign CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) and (b). The SecretaI}' to Pakistan in January 1986. majority of the rccommcndatioDi of tbo 1.53 Written AtlsWerl PHALOUNA 7, 1907 ($AKA) "'rltren Ahswef,i i~4 Santhanam Committee has been acct.:pted PANJA) : (a) and (b). In the Seventh Fiv~ and implemented by the Government. Year Plan proposals submitted to tho Therefore tbere is no occasion to re-examine Planning Commission, the State Government the Report of the Committee. of Bihar have proposed an outlay of Rs. 149 crores for large and medium industries and Rs. 86.50 crores for village and small scale New Industrial Schemes for Bihar industries both for new industrial schemes 521. PROF. CHANDRA BHANU and expansion of existing units for the DEVI : Will the Minister of PLANNING Seventh Plan period. These proposals were be pleased to state : discussed in the Planning Commission and considering the availability of resources and (a) the details of the new industrial inter se priority for various sectors, an outlay schemes including expansion of existing units of Rs. 90 crores was agreed to for large and submitted by the Government of Bihar for medium industries and Rs. 70 crores for inclusion, in the Seventh Five Year Plan; village and small scale industries for the and Seventh Plan period. (b) the steps taken or proposed to be A statement indicating scheme-wise outlay taken by Government in tbis regard ? proposed by the State Government and that agreed to both for large and medium THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE industries and village and small scale MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. industries is enclosed. Statement GOlJernmenl of Bihar-7th Plan ()utlay for industrial Sclteme~ (Rs. lakhs) S. Name of the industrial scheme/project 7th Plan (1985-90) Outlay No. Pr0I'0sed by Agreed to by the State Planning Govt. Commission 1 2 3 4 A. Large & Medium Industries (I) Existing Schemes 1. Bihar State Industrial Development 1825.00 1150.00 Corporation 2. Bihar State Credit and Investment 1600.00 850.00 Corporation 3. Bihar State Textile Corporation 1075.00 750.00 4. Bihar State Financial Corporation 1200.00 1000.00 5. Bihar State Chemical Corporation 1030.00 870.00 6. Bihar State Sugar Corporation 2200.00 1200.00 7. Bihar State Electronics Development 430.00 400.00 Corporaticm PED..UAaY 26, iJ16 1 2 3 4 8. Electric Subsidy 355.00 250.00 9. Generating Sets Subsidy 150.00 150.00 JO. Interest free loan in place of 500.00 360.00 exemption from sales Tax 11. Feasibility Report subsidy 120.00 100.00 12. Capital subsidy 2000.00 1000.00 13. Industrial Area/Estates 800.00 250.00 14. Rehabilitation of displaced persons 45.00 25.00 15. Research and developme,gt 150.00 100.00 16. Quality Marking 50.00 25.00 17. Testing of Household Electrical 10.00 5.00 appliances 18. I. S. I. Marking 15.00 10.00 19. Data Bank 25.00 25.00 20. Rehabilitation of sick mills 500.00 50.00 (ii) New Scbemes 1. Pilot Plant (or leather and bone- 60.00 60.00 based industries 2. Electronic City 200.00 150.00 3. Film Development Corporation 105.00 SO.Oo 4. Cbemical City 70.00 10.00 5. B.T.D.C. Centres 125.00 60.00 6. Strengthening of D.T.D. 15.00 15.00 7. Manpower PlanniOl for Electronics 45.00 25.00 industries 8. Freilht Transport Subsidy 200.00 Total : 14900.00 JOOI.OO t~7 "rltled A"",tr, PHALOUNA 7, 1907 (SAKAl Wrlltt" A n'''BI 1~8 1 2 3 4 B. Villate II. SeMe Industries I. Bihar State Small Industries Corporation 300.00 255.00 2. Bihar State Leather Industries Development 515.00 400.00 Corporation 3. Bihar State Export Corporation 150.00 105.00 4. Electric Subsidy 400.00 300.00 5. Adivasi T.e.p. Centres 40.00 20.00 6. District Industries Centres (Seed Money) 1200.00 400.00 7. Interest free Joan in place of exemption 400.00 400.00 from sales tax 8. Testing Laboratory 55.00 45.00 9. Generating Sets Subsidy 200.00 200.00 10. Publication/Seminars/Exhibition 30.00 15.00 11. Planning and Monitoring Cell 30.00 15.00 12. Cooperative Department (h1dustrial 50.00 40.00 Cooperative) 13. Feasiblity Report Subsidy 50.00 30.00 14. Capital Subsidy 1000.00 980.00 15. Freight/Transport Subsidy 100.00 ·16. Rural Industries Technology 95.00 30.00 ., 17. E.D.P. Centres 50.00 25.00 18. Industrial Area/Estates 500.00 400.00 19. Grant to Bihar State Kbadi ViJiage 530.00 530.00 Industries Board 20. Biber State Handloom and Handicraft 225.00 22S.OO Corporation 21. Handloom (General) 400.00 400.00 22. Handloom (Cooperative) 800.00 804.00 23. Handicrafts 330.00 200.00 24. Sericulture 1200.00 1185.00 Total: 8650.00 7000.00 159 W,llIt" A.II,"t" FEBR.UARY '6; 1986 "rltten Answer, 160 Selection of Subjects for Research (b) Research efforts undertaken by young research scientists often lead to awarding of 522. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA Ph. Ds degrees after certain amount of Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to innovative contributions have been made. state : In India, various academic Institutions register students for Ph. D degree and during (a) whether it is a fact that Indian the year 1980-81, 3793 Doctorate degrees scientists undertake research on a variety of have been awarded in various areas of subjects on a large scale instead of science and technology. Compared to the concentrating in a specific area wh ich large scientitic manpower required for various brings about meagre results consequent on developmental programmes in tlJe country, dilution of energy aod resources; this is not too large. In view of the fact ~ that the infrastructure available in India (b) whether it is also a fact that while a may large number of scientists have obtamed not be comparable to that ava11able in developed countries, it may not be always Ph.Ds, they have oot made as much possible to ensure the same level of expertise progress as has been made by scientists in as in the developed countries. Nevertheless other countries; and Indian scientists with Ph. Ds. have made very significant contribution to national (c) if so, whether Government propos~ to take any remedial steps in this regard ? programmes in the areas such as agricultlr.!, . atomic energy, space etc . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND (c) Government wi1\ continue to TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- promote sCientific research keeping in view MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPr-.,fENTS, our requirements in various fields. ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND ConscIous efforts will be made to be SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) selei:tive in the choice of re"earch arelS. For a large country like India, if is necessary During the 7th Five Year Plan some specific to build science ann technology capabilities Missions in major socio-economic sectors, in diverse fields in order to utilise science which WIll have large Sand T components, and technology for development of various will be undertaken so a~ to achieve time sectors. For a large scientific community bound results. several areas of research provide challenging opportunities which must he encouraged to ensure innovative approaches required to Number of Projects Costing over Rs. 50 absorb and assimilate various developments Cro. es and pending over 5 Years in science and technology. During the 6th Five Year Plan, conscious efforts have been 523. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA made by the Government to identify thrust WHI the MlDister of PROGRAMME areas in selected fields of science and IMPLEMENTA TION be pleased to state technology and these have been promoted the number of projects costing over rupees 50 through carefully selected time-bound crores which are pending for over five years, research programmes. In many of these showmg the names of the Ministries? fields, Indian scientists have made significant . contributions. THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME Efforts involved in research and IMPLEMENTATION (SHRI A. B. A. development are often of exploratory GHANI KHAN CHOUDHARY): Ministry- type and carefully selected programmes can wIse number of projects under irnplemeotati 00 very often lead to important contributions in with original a pproveJ cost of over Rs. 50 science and technology t though this cannot crores, bcmg monitored by this Ministry be always en4)ured while initiating research and which are de1ayed over five years, is programmes. indicated in the attached statement. PHMTJQUNAfN 1907f(8IfKA) ;.t 1f I 1 "tlsJ IofTPrb'e:en wilf,jor'iiHdtljropPfoved COlt of RI. 50 Crores and above If~tl f~",'" (,.1 (r ...11 [,,(,1 II ~tl f~ H dl"Jd;ttJlJve,5 Yearl';p~~,~ ,tt ;11a~/~~~1 :1~....fm"jr~/l No. of projects , ?J I ,,, , , f f I , 1 "II r r • ,~", ( f ':l I. Deptt. of Fertilizers 1 I I fl. f 'J! f.'.. , ' • ~ ,f. r. , 'I,. ,I & I ,. I • I", ". I ~ f • !'f/"!t'J"r I 'ff~r"" , .. 11.1. Deptt. of pdwer I '" y'" 1 r If , r • ." "f fI 11 III. Ministry of Industry ,. '. '#(~ .l'l '( : f 1 f (PepU .. Qi;P.wWc 'EQf,efpr~,C(S~, , r f 'I • . , I • If I If IV. Min,stry of 'Petroleum and Natural Gas. 1 I, II. f' r , • , I 11 / " .1. I I, , j , I , f , f V. Ministry of Steel and Mines-. ! I", , f3 :J • {If " I . {. ~ t ~ . ,f I I I , 1 }j'ne~8Y I, I I, VI. Afoni1c 1 . '"' r I If * ~ \, ~ f,. ~, , 'i' '. ,J.I fl ,lJ VJI., Mimst,fy of· Transport .1 I I I., " • I 1 I •• I ~ ~ ,4 i • ~ I. ,- .' , ( . I • I • I I I. I,., _f Fire Prevention Precautions in Hotels (b) Action in keeping with the law will "I and Molflsto'reyed Bulfa-tngs J, receipt.,-Q~ th.~ltl'Pto, date I! I < I , I, be tCf,keQ upon repor!s.. t I .I- 524. PROF. K. K. TEWARY ~I • SSHttl Ii BANAT q KUMAR Recommendation of Palme Commission MANDAL:' • j1 j ,'I T 1 , I tz /iY 't' t.. ,..J SHRI MULLAPPAI:..LY RAMA .. 525. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD' CHANDRAN: SlNGH : Win the Mmi~ter of EXTERNAL . ~F.f AIRS be pleased to state: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS' be pleased to state: (a) whether it ~'a fact that Government have accepted the recomendations of the (a) whether in the light of., t~ incident Palmc Commission 'relating to nuclear frelf of fire recently in the Siddharth Continental zones and the nOD-proliferation treaty; t Hotel in D.!lhi, any steps have been initIated to check whether such hotels, big businees (b) if so, the details thereof; and premises and rnuItistoreyed buildings in Delhi have taken adequate fire prevention (c) if not, the reasons therefor? precations according to tbe rules; and t 1 I .• • ~ TH~ ~INIST~R Of' :STAIE, IN THE )b) whether any prosecutions"bave been .~lINlSTRY OF EXTERNAL. AFFAIRS launched against the defaulters 'in the ,(SHRI 1(. R. ~A~AYAtNA.N), : (a) No, matter? .Sir, THE MINISTER. OF. STA"(E IN THE (b) Does not arise. DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) ; (a) (c) Our po~tiQn on o.~cJea[ free. zones The Fife Advisory Committee constitute; by ,NOIl-1U'oliferatioo Tr~ty JSI ~ll .known and the Delhi Admmistration has been directed has been.sta\ed a llUnlber Pi ~iQlCS on the to inspect all high-rjse buildings, big business floor , of ,this .. Hous~. {T~, Government premises and hotels in Delhi with a view to do nqt $ee.~y tem~ fQt. ,MY ..~hange in assessing the adequacy of fire prevention their: ,basiQ p.Qsipgn. ·1 Dq,tW~~dins tbe precautions installed on the premises. recommendations of th. ~'t.CQmmissiOJl. PBBRUARY M. 19M "'"",,, .4",." 164 ( Tra",latlon] THB MINISTER. OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS EstrflDlltl ActitUlel '0 Britain (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). agal8st ludia Yes Sir. We have been doing so on a continuous and continuing basis. S26. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI Cc) Yes Sir. SHAKTAWAT: SHRI V. TULSI RAM : (d) The attitude of the U.K. authorities has not cunfributed to the development of our Will the Minister of EXTERNAL bileteral relations. AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Implementation of Assam Accord (a) whether Government of India had requested British Government through 527. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: WiJ1 diplomatic channel to take action against the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased the notorious extremists and to band them to state: over to India and if so, the reaction of the (a) the details of the progress made so British Government thereto; far in tbe implementation of Assam Accord; (b) whether there had been any talk on (b) tbe protions of the Accord, progress this subject during his recent visit to in regard to implementation of which has London; not been satisfactory as envisaged; and (c) the time by which full and conclusive (c) whether British Government have implementation of the said Accord will be been apprised of the losses to India due to made? tbe extremists in Britain; and THE MIN1STER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, its effect on Indo-British (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : (a) to (c). A reJations? stateme"t is attached. Statement P'ogress 0/ the Implementation 0/ Assam Accord. s. No. of Text Progress Accord. 1 2 3 5.2 All persons who come to Assam The Citizenship (Amendment) Act. 1985 has prior to 1-1-66 including tbose come into force with effect from 7-12-85. The amongst them whose names Citizenship (Amendment) Rules, 1986 and appeared on the electrical rolls amendmend to the Foreigners (Tribunals) used in 1967 elections, shall be Order, 1964 have been notified on 15-1-86 to regularised. give effect to tbe provisions of this Act in respect of 1-1-66 to 24-3-71 entrants. 5.3 Foreigners who came to Assam The State Government have been asked to start after 1-1-66 (inclusive) and upto the work of detection immediately. 24th March, 1971 shall be de- tected in accordance with the provisions of tbe Foreigners Act, 1946 al)d Por.iantrt (Tribunal) or•. t"4~ l~' "',nlell Ans."er, PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) 'lVrlttell An.rwer. 1~ 1 2 3 5.4 Names of Foreigners detected win be deleted from the electoral rolls in force. Such persons will be required to rigister themselves before the Registration Officers of the respective districts in accordance with the provisions of the Regis- tration of Foreigners Act, 1939 and the Registration or foreigners Rules, 1939. 5.5 For this purpose, Government Sanction bas been accorded and conveyer to of India will undertake suitable the State Government to the creation of 18 strengthening of the govern- posts of the rank of Superintendent of Police mental machinery. @ one for each District for appointment as Special Registration Officers together with nucleus staff and purchase of 18 jeeps. 5.6 On tho expiry of a period of The Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 1985 has ten years following the date of been enforced as stated above. detection, the names of all such persons which have been delated from the electoral roUs shall be restored. 5.7 All persons who were expelled This is a continuing Process and the State earlier, but have since re .. entered Government have been asked to take necess .. illegally into Assam, shall be ary action. expelled. 5.8 Foreigners who came to Assam This is also a continuing process. The State on or after March, 25, 1971 Government have been requested to give it a shaH continue to be detected, push. deleted and expelled in accor- dance with law. Immediate and pratieal steps sbaH be taken to expell such foreigners. 5.9 The Government will give due The views of the State Government have been consideration to certain diffi- elicited. culties expressed by the AASU/AAGSP regarding the implementation of the Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act, 1983. 6. Constitutional, legislative and No suggestions are pending with the Central administrative safeguards as may Government. be appropriate, sball be provided to protect, preserve and promote the cultural, social, linguistic identity and beritaao of the AuameIo pooplO. 1 2 ,...3 7. The Government take this Planpi,~ ~~mmi~!OD ~ Jiyina d~ coptiderz.- opportunity to review their tiOD. ro~ the.. sP~~)'. ~~~ rqll~d economic commitment for the speedy all development ot Assam. JIT¥ ,~s~~'s Seventh round economic development of Plan Outlay has been finalised at Rs. 2100 Assam, so as to improve the crores as against tll.e S,ixth Plan outlay of standard of living of the people. Rs. Ill~' 'cr.of~s. H. The' Plan\;"ouid, ,be almost Special emphasis will be placed wholly "'fiiian~d" thf~ougjl ·ceAira( Assistance • ... ~ - ~ _...; •• .) •• - j ~ •••,?, • on education and Science and amo~!!~~ _t£~ .. i ~~?S. _~[o!~!.;~ ,,_'_ . technology through establisbment of national institution. 8.1 The Govt. will arrange for the The l1tot>'osa1 is ltb'der "'active consideration. issue of citizenship certificates \ ( • · I," -" in future only by the autbQ .. "Jitle!,'" o.rw'ioe- -CCntJil ~ P~vCrq:-" •• j."J .." ". ,- 1.. ,. ~ .... _ l L..oL .. _ ,. -r ~ ...... " w ~ .... ,mente ." 'I! ~ ~ ... ."tr-'-.'" "8'.1~·Specific'CbtnpTaints th~aT' may Oc-- No complaints have bee~- ~eceiv~d so far. ~o"'rnaae ·~f··lne - A'AS't)1A'AGSP~- ,'- -ab1)ul- ~ttregulaf" i~stj"aIYce- "of" ... Indian Citiz.ensb,ip Certificates .v\.~ '(tCC) ~~roe;loo\~d> l~i?;~,~:~_'_ ~ >._.~ '.1 The International border shall Steps - are- - being'" tak~n t~' u~d~rtake the be made secure against future construction of barbed ~ir~ fence, lateral road infiltration by erection of physi- and aOie 9 2 Besides !he arrangements A pl~n. has also been .drawn up to strengthen , . ,: tii~nti6~~(J' above" ~hd 'keepjrig the net, work of BSF bordc:r outposts and in view security considerations, observation towers and equip them with a road all along the international ne~$ary anti -infiltration devices 'and vehicles border shall be constructed so for .~ ibten9ive round .. (be-C}ock vigil and as to facilitate patroIJing by patrolling. security forces. Land between border and the road would be kept free of human habitation, 'J: wi1erO'Ver . ,possible. Ri\'ttlne" patrolling along the intenaational· border would be intensified. All effective measures would be adopted to prevent infiltrators crossin& or attempting to cross the international border. PHAtOUNA " 1907 (SAKA) Written A.nswer, 170 1 2 3 'Ill: · 1t wHI be ensured thta relevant Accord ing to the State Government, the laws for prevention of encroach- eXlstlDg laws are sufficient and would be ment of Govt. lands in tribal strickly enforced. belts and blocks are strictly enforced and unauthorised encroachers evicted as laid down under such Jaws. > 11., It·will be ensured that relevant State Government is initiating action in this ., Jaw restricting acquisition of regard. itt'tmovable property by foreig- " 'ners in Assam is strictly enforced. 12. It will be ensured that Birth According to the State Government, the and Death Registers are duly Commissioner (Health) has been asked to maintained. go into matter with a view to streamline the existing arrangements. State Government have been advised to take the help of RGI if necessary. 13. AASU/AAGSP call off the Agitation has been called off. agitation, assure full cooperation and dedicate themselves towards the develo\lOlCnt of the country 14. The Central" 'and the State According to information received from the Government have agreed to : State Government and the Central Ministries, Departments the action to review the disci- plinary cases is almost complete. ~a)' 'Review with' sympathy and withdraw ..cases of disci- plioary. . action against employees 1B lhe context of the agitation and to ensure that there is no victimi- sation. (b) Frame a scheme for exgratia According to the State Government, the payment to next kin of next of kin of the persons killed/missing in those who were kiHed in the the course of the agitation have been paid course of the agitation. ex-gratia grant @ Rs. 5000 per person in almost all the cases and Deputy Commis- sioners authorised to make payment to any case bas been left out. (c) Give sympathetic consider- (i) Geoew:-al relaxation for six years for a ation to proposals for per; d of 3 years w.e.f. 15-8-85 has been rclaution of the upper aae a4LJunccd by the Statp Government_ 171 Writte" Answer3 FEBRUARY 26. 1986 1 2 3 limit for employment in (ii) Similar orders in respect of Central public services in Assam, Government services have been issued on having regard to exceptional 30th September, 1985. situation that prevailed in holding of accademic and competitive examinations etc. in the context of agi- tation in Assam. (d) Undertake review of deten- According to the State Govt. all the NSA tion cases, if any, as well as detenus detained in connection with tbe cases against persons agitation have been released and the review of charged with criminal offences the pending criminal cases is more or less in connection with the agi- over. tation, except those charged with Commission of heinous offences. (e) Consider withdrawal of the State Government have wjthdrawn notification prohibitory orders/notifi- under the Assam Disturbed Areas Act, 1955 cations in force. if any. through out the State except in case of vital installations and Assam-Nagaland border area. Prohibilitory orders under Section 144 Cr. P. C. have al~o been withdrawn wherever pOSSIble. Impl~mentati(m of Assam Assam Accord Regarding Para 3 o/the Statement Ref. No. Brief subject Remarks 1 2 3 Para 3 (a) The Election Commission will The Election Commission extended the time by be requested to ensure pre- 30 days upto 27th September, 1985 for filling paration of fair electoral rolls; claims and objections to the draft e1ectoral (b) time for settlement of claims and rol1s. Teo Central observers were also deputed objection, to be extended by to Assam to supervise the preparation of the 30 days, subject to this beiDI electoral roUsr EJectoral roUs tinally published consistent with the election rules; on 7th November, 1985 and elections held in and Assam on 16-12-1985. (e) the Election Commission wiJJ be requested to send Central observes. 3 (2) (a) to establish an oil refinery in The Ministry of Petroleum are seized of this Assam in tbe Private Sector. matter. (b) Central Government will render luU assistance to the State Government in their efforts to re·opecina. J73 WrU'". A1UW,r, PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Wrllttn Alii..,'" 174 1 2 3 (i) Ashok Paper Mill Consultations are going on between the Central and the State Governments concerned and the financial institutions regarding reopening of the Ashok Paper Mm. (ii) Jute Mill The Mill is reported to have been partially reopened by the State Government and consultations are going on between the Central Government and the State Government and the financial institutions regarding further steps to be taken. (c) An I.l.T. will be set up in Assam. The Ministry of Education are pursuing this matter in consultation with the State Govern- ment. Special Allowances to Employees upgradation of tribal administration was Serving in AdivBSi Areas operative during the years 1979-80 to 1983-84. The amounts recommended by the Commission and the grant-in-aid 528. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : re1eased during 1979-84 by the Central Will the Minister. of WELFARE be pleased Government to different states for payment to state: of compansatory allowance and construction of residential quarters for staff posted in (a) the total amount made available by tribal -areas are furnished in the annexed Government to each State during the Sixth statement. Five Year Plan for providing special aJIowance to the employees serving Adivasi (b) The Seventh Finance Commission areas; had recommended Rs. 1,056 lakhs for compensatory allowance and full amount (b) whether it is a fact that full amount was made available to Madhya Pradesh. has been made available to Madhya But the State Government proposed diversion Pradesh in accordance with the· recom- of Rs. 695 lakh! to the construction of staff mendation of the Finance Commission; and Quarters which was allowed by the Central Government. (c) the aJJocation made in the Seventh Plan for payment of special allowance for (c) Based on the award of the Eighth work.log in Adivasi areas and the amount Finance Commission the Ministry of earmarked for Madhya Pradesh out of that Finance have aUocated a sum of Rs. 1,927.20 allocation? lakhs for four year period 1985-89 to 13 States for payment of compensatory THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE allowance to transferable State rmpJoyees MIN1STRY OF WELFARE (SHRI posted in tribal areas and out of this the GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) The award share of Madbya Pradesh is Rs. 568.80 of tbe Seventh Finance Commission for lakhs. 17S Wrltteft Answer, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Written Answerl 176 Statement Upgradalion o/standards a/tribal administration grallts-in'aid recommended by the Seventh Finance Commission and the amount released for 1979-84 (Rupees in lakhs) State Payment of compensatory Construction of residential allowance to staff working quarters for staff posted in tribal areas. in tribal areas Amount Amount Amount Amount recommended released recommended released ------ 1. Andhra Pradesh 165.00 165.00 56.00 56.00 2. Assam 146.00 109.50 152.00 155.75 3. Bihar 621.00 589.84 112.00 90.00 4. Himachal Pradesh 20.00 20.00 24.00 24.00 5. Kerala 20.00 20.00 40.00 40.00 6. Madhya Pradesh 1056.00 361.00 336.0J 1031.1,0* 7. Manipur 74.00 40.00 114.00* 8. Orissa 603.00 503.00 184.00 284.00· 9. Rajasthan 150.00 40.00 190.00* 10. Tamil Nadu 22.QO 22.00 72.00 72.00 11. Tripura 95.00 95.00 24.00 24:10 12. Uttar Pradesh 1.00 1.00 16.00 16.00 13. West Bengal 98.00 58.00 96.00 136.00* ------ Total 3071.00 1944.34 1192.00 2232.75 ------ *Diversion of funds from one scheme to the other was allowed. 171 W,./tten AlIlwe,., PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Writt~n A",w~r~ 178 Filing of Annual Property Return by (c) A comparative cost benefit analysis M.Ps. and Ministers of indigenous and foreign technologies is expected to be available before May. 1986. 529. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Licences for the Manufacturing of EI~ctronic Private Automatic Branch Excbanges (a) whether it a fact that a practice is in vogue in some countries for compulsory 531. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will filing of annual return of his property by a the PRIME MINISTER be p1eased to ~tate : Member of Parliament and a Minister with the objective of putting an end to political (a) the reasons for delay in granting corruption; and necessary c1earance to tbose Indian Companies which would like to manufacture (b) if so, whether Government are electronic private automatic branch exchanges proposing to bring forward a bill on th~ (EPABX) with the help of CDOT technology subject propo~ing adoption of the same developed indigenously by the Centre for practice in India? Development of Te]ematics; THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) whether it is a fact that licences are (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). Such being is"ued to companies using foreign practices may be in vogue in some countries. technology of the kind mentioned above; However, no such proposal is presently and under consideration of the Government. (c) whether the centralised technology [E'!~/is"] acquisition policy is being misused for under- mining the indigenously developed Indigenous Process for Siiicon Production technology? 530. SHRI SATYENDRA :NARAYAN SI~l-tt\: \Vlll th~ PRlME ~HNISTER be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rkased to state: ~fJNTSTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND TN THE DEPARTMENTS 'a) \\-hether any decision has been taken OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS. AT01t..fTC regardmg regular production of C)ilicon using ENERGY. ELECTRI)NICS AND SPACE indigenous Droce~s in place of foreign (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): (a) The technology~ term~ of agreement for transfer of technology developed by Centre for Development of (b) if so, whether the agreement made Telematics have been wound out and with a foreign company to set up the these have been i~cmed to all parties who National Silicon Facility would be scrapped: have su1_,mitted their applications for and manufacture. (c) the comparative cost benefits of (b) Government have selected the indigenouc; and foreign technologies in this following three foreign technologies for the regard ? manufacture of EPABXs : THE ~lINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i) Jeumont Schneider, France MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF (ii) GTE, Belgium OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (iii) OKl!Japan (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATJL): (a) Decision has Dot been taken so far regarding choices 18 parties have been granted Letters of of technology for large scale regular produc- Intent. 10 foreign collabcratioDS ba~e been tion·of poly-silicon. approved SO far. (b) Does not arise. (c~ NOt Sir,! PEBIlUARY'26. '19M National I'aformatton Centre Statement Proposed List 0/ State Level Centres 532. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Win the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 1. SrinasaT J and K state: 2. Simla Himachal Pradesh (a) by what time the Rs. 100 crore 3. Cbandigarh Union Territory National Information Centre network programme win become operational; 4. Rohtak Haryana (b) the names of 100 districts to be S. Jaipur Rajasthan linked by this network: 6. Lucknow Uttar Pradesh (c) the names of places where 27 7. Patna Bihar computers and the 4 big regional computers are going to be installed; and 8. Gangtok Sikkim (d) by what time all the States in the 9. Shiltong Meghalaya country would be covered under the programme of information sharing? 10. Dispur! Guwahati Assam THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE 11. Itanagar Arunachal Pradesh MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF 12. Kohima Nagaland OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE 13. Imphal Manipur (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) National Informatics Centre is developing a computer 14. Aizawl Mizorarn octwork with the District as the node for l'Yoviding information service to the Central 15. Calcutta West Bengal and State Governments. Part of this network win become operational by the end of 1986. 16. AgartaIa Tripura The entire network will be operational by the end of 1987. 17. Bhopal Madhya Pradesh 18. Bombay Mabarash tra (b) The names of the 100 Districts to be linked are being finalised in consultation 19. Ahmedabad Gujarat with the State Governments, on a population pro-rata basis for distribution of the 20. Bangalore Kamataka terminal computers. 21. Panaji Goa (c) The places where the 27 computers 22. Madras Tamil Nadu are being installed are given in the attached statement. The four big regional computers 23. Trivandrum Kerala are being installed at Delhi, Pune, Bhubaneswar and Hyderabad. 'The first 24. Pondicberry Pondicberry system at Delhi bas already been installed. 25. Port Blair Andaman (d) As per the present schedule, it is 26. Kavaratti Lakshdeep proposed to coyer aU the States in tbe country by December 1981. 27. Vizaa Andbra Pradcab PHALGtJNA '7, 1901 (SAL4) [ Traft,ialiOll] (c) There is no. policy of time-bound Scheme to make all Ibdla Seniees promotion in t he Service and as such tbe eftleieat question of abolishing it does not arise. Promotions to higher grades depend OD the 533. SHRI BARISH RAWAT: Will number of posts available as weI) as on the the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : suitability of the eligibJe officers, which is (a) whether his Ministry propose to decided by a screening mechanism. having reaard to merit and seniority. formulate an~ scheme to mm tbe All India Services especially the Indian Adminis- trative Service more efficient and service- Integrated Tribal Schemes fol' Uttar oriented; Pradesh (b) if so, the main features thereof; aDd 534. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will (c) whether Government propose to take the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to into consideration the question of abolishing state: the policy of time-bound promotion in this service? (a) whether Plannina Commission have through Ministry of Home Affairs received THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE some integrated tribal schemes from Govern- MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC ment of Uttar Pradesh for consideration; GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI and P. CHIDAMBARAM): (a) and (b). Government is examiniDI various proposals (b) if so, the names of the schemes, to imprtie the efficiency of the All India the outlay involved therein, tbe dates on Services including tbe Indian Administrative which they were received by the Commission Service. One of tbe steps which is under and tbe time by which tbey are likely to be implementation is the training programmes approved? for the members of the Service. Government have issued guidelines to the State Govern- THE MlNISTER OF STATE IN THE ments in 1976 and 1984 regarding the career MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. development of lAS offioers including proper PAGJA) : (a) and (b). The Planning and effective utilisation of fixed experience Commission received directly from the State acquired by tbese officers. These guidelines Government of Uttar Pradesh four reports envisage the posting of officers to various which the State Government called Integrated areas for the first ten years and to the extent Tribal Development Projects (ilDPs). The possible in three or five identified areas, blocks to which they related. the date of thereafter, so as to enable functional their receipt in the Planning Commission lpecialisation to be obtained. An aspects of and the outlays proposed by the State tbe Question are under review. Government for each are indicated below : Blocks District Date of receipt Outlays proposed in Planning by State Govt. Commission (Rs. in lakhs) (1) Kbatima/Sitar. (1) Khatima Nainital 8.8.1983 423.81 ganj ITDP (2) Sitarganj (2) losbimatb ITDP Josbimatb Chamoli 8.9.1983 106.78 (3) Dharchula, (1) Dharchula Pithoragarh 6.12.1983 258.4S Mynsiyari ITDP (2) MUDsiyari (4) Bazpur, Gadarpur~ (1) Bazpur Nainital 8.8.1983 656.19 Ramnaprand (2) Oadarpur Kashipur ITDP (3) RamDlear (for PrimUi. (4) Kubipur Trlbel) 183 "rlttell Answer, FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Written Answerl J84 . Apart from these ITDP reports, through (a) whether some two years back Union the Ministry , ... of Home Affairs the State Government had written to the various State Government proposed inclusion in tribal Governments about more than 2000 children SUb-PlaU (T~l#) of eleven blocks i.e. nine known to be languishing in jails in contra- mentioned above as well as Chakrata and vention of tbe Chiloren's Act; aDd Kalsi in Dehradun District. Since these areas are part of Hill Area Development (b) if so, what steps have been taken Plan (HADP) of the State Government and, by Union Government to know whether or as such, have been in receipt of Special not the State Government concerned have Central Assistance (SCA), they could not implemented the directi ves and what are the 9 results achieved ? be included in the State s TSP. Their inclusion in TSP would have implied devolu· THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tion of furtber SeA linked to T~P and, in MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI principle, grant of two sets of SCA to the GJRIDHAR GOMANGO): (a) Yes, Sir. same area is impermissible. The eight The Minister of State in the Ministries of districts included in the HADP receive much Education and Culture aDd Social Welfare more seA than the amount the State took up on 22 October, 1982 this matter Government would have been entitled to bad with the Chief Ministers/Administrator of tbese areas been brought within TSP. tbe States/Union Territories with a view to providing the requisite infrastructure as Scheme for Strengthening of Indo- contemplated under the Children Acts in Nepal Border all the districts. Further on 22 December, 1983 and 29 March, 1985, the Union Home 535. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will Secretary directed that the services under the tbe Minist~r of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased Children Acts may be developed to check to state: the inflow of children to prisons and efforts made to final1y remove aU the children (a) whether his Ministry has asked the currently lodged in prisons. On 9th May, State Governments Uttar Pradesh and Bihar 1985, the Prime Minister directed aU the to prepare a scheme for development of Chief Ministers that in no circumstances areas on Indo-Nepal border and to strengthen children be committed to police custody or tbe border; and to judicial custody in prisons, and the children already in prisons should be removed (b) if so, the outlines of the proposed from there forthwith. $Cherne and the expenditure likely to be (b) The feed back received from the incurrrd thereon ? different States and Union Territories in THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS response to the above references show that (SHRI S. B. eRAVAN): (a) As a part of wherever necessary, the State Governments the review (.f internal security arrange- are taking action to ensure tbat children ments in bord~r areas, during discussions are not sent to jails, by adding to tbe held at official levels the State Governments existing infrastructure under the Children's of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar have been Act as well as by issue of instructions to requested to compile certain data/information the High Courts and other authorities. regardJDg socio-economic situation obtaining Instructions are also being issued to transfer the children in various jails to children's in the border areas. Homes. Some of the State Governments are (b) Does not arise. also involving voluntary organisations in these efforts. One State Government is also taking steps to denotify all jails/sub. jails [EnglISh] which arc now declared as temporary Central direction regarding childreD Receiption Homes and drawing up a phased in jails programme for taking over all delinquent children from jails and transferring them to 536. SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI tbe Homes. Tbe Ministry of Welfare is KHAN: WIll the Minister of WELFARE regularly pursuing the issue with the different be pleased to state : State Governments aDd Union Territories. 185 Wrltte" A",wer, PHAtGUNA " 1907 (SAKA) t'rltten A",we" 186 Measures to provide adquate facilities distribution to blind students to schools (or blind through voluntary organisations or 537. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOZ ALI State Governments. KHAN: Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state : (iv) The Central Government had provided funds to set up braille presses throughout the country to (a) whether Government have made produce braiH!! books for distri- any survey to know the deficiencies, jf any, bution to blind students. in the existing arrangements in the schools for the blind in various parts of the country particularly in Delhi in the matter of avail- (v) The National lilstitute for the ability of books, teaching facilities, living Visually Handicapped, Dehradun conditions, etc.; conducts training progra&llmes for secondary school and primary (b) if so, the details thereof; and school teachers of the blind. (c) the measures taken/proposed to be (vi) The Ministry of Education imple- taken by Government to provide adequate ments a programme of Integrated facilities to improve the functioning of these Education for the blind through schools for the blind? the State Governments. Under the Scheme selected schools are assisted THE DEPuTY MINISTER IN THE with resource rooms, special MINiSTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI teachers, etc. to help blind students GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) ; (a) The schools in their education. for the blind are generally run by the voluntary agencies and some by the State (vii) Under·the-Aids and Appliances Governments and Union Territory Adminis- Scheme this Ministry provides trations. Government bas not undertaken educational Kits, braille measuring a review of the working of the schools of the devices, braille writers and tape blind in various parts of the country. recorders for certain categories of blind students free of cost or at (b) and (c). However, to enable handi- subsidised rates depending on the capped students, particular} y the blind, to family income of the blind students. receive education the following facilities are offers by the Central Government : [Translation] (i) Scholarships are given to all handi- Development or Eastern Uttar Pradesh capped students to pursue education beyond class IX in schools and in 538. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI : Will degree and post-graduate courses. the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to Scholarships are also available to state : pursue medica] and engineering education and for in-plant (a) whether keeping in view the poverty, training. backwardness and special situation of Eastern Uttar Pradesh, Government propose (ii) Financial assistance is provided by to speed up the process of its development the Ministry of Welfare to voluntary by setting up a separate unit to look after organisations for providing educa- its problems and development; tion and vocational training for handicapped students including the (b) if so, the outline thereof; and blind. (c) if not. the difficulties being experi. (iii) The National Institute for Visually enced in setting up a separate unit 1 Handicapped, Debradun, manu- factures special equipments for the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE blind like braille slates, abacus and MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. otbor educational/material for fr~ PANJA): (a) No, Sir. (b) Does not arise. (b) tbe amount proposed to be provided to such voluntary organisations during (c) The responsibility for developing a 1986-87 7 region within a State is primarily that of the State Government concerned. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI Grants to Voluntary Organisation in Himachal Pradesh GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) A Statement is enclosed. 539. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI : Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to (b) Grant-in-aid is provided to the state : voluntary organisations according to their requirements for implementing various (a) the names of voluntary organisations programme and schemes of this Ministry. jn Himachal Pradesh which have been Therefore, the amount of assistance to be given grants during 1985-86 by the Ministry provided to voluntary organisations during for implementing their programmes; and 1986-87 cannot be anticipated. Statement Names of organisations in Himachal Pradesh who Were given grant-in-aid during 1985-86 under different schemes of the Ministry 01 Welfare. Name of the Scbeme Names of the Organisation I. Assistance to Voluntary Organisation Society for Social Uplift through Rural for education work for prohibition and Action, Jagjit Nagar, Distt. Solan~ prevention of atrocities against women. Himachal Pradesh. II. Programmes for the Welfare of the H. P. State Council for Child Welfare. disabled persons. Mini Secretariat, Sbimla. ------[English] (b) Government continues to keep a constant vigil over all developments having India's Nuclear Policy a bearing on the country's security. 540. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Unified Law for Alcoholism and be pleased to state: Drug Abuse (a) whether Government's attention has been drawn to the report in the 'Times of 541. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH : Will India' dated January 14, 1986 to the effect the Minister of WELFARE be plea~ed to that 'Washington Post' in a front page state : despatch bad said that Pakistani Scientists from a secr~ facility at Wah showed a (a) whether a workin& group of his nuclear weapon design to some Chinese Ministry has suggested a unified law for Physicists and that the Chinese scientists prevention and control of alcoholism and had confirmed that it would yield a nuclear drug abuse; blast; and (b) jf so, the plea of the working group (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto and what major draw-backs in the existing by way of reviewing its nuclear policy ? law are souaht to be remedied through tbe mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE new unified law; and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI K. R.. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes (c) tbe relponse of Government aDd Sir. tho Law CommilaioD tberltO ? PHALGUNA "I, J90'r(SAKA) THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE competitive conditions, young men and MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI women, fresh from graduation, and to train GIRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) The and mould them to suit the behavioural and working group recommended a unified law skills requirements of the Civil Services. for prevention and control of drug abuse. This objective has been eroded by the upper age limit of 28 years introduced in 1979. (b) and (c). A comprehensive legislation The upper age limit of 28 years had bas recently been enacted by the Parliament. adversely affected the element of competi- The new Act, called, the Narcotic Drugs tiveness of the examination in as much as and Psychotropic Substance Act, 1985, has a relatively young candidate of 21 years of already come into force in the country with age was pitted against a relatively old effect from 14.11.1985. candidate of about 28 years, placing the former at a disadvantage and giving an unfair advantage to the latter. A wide age Maximum Age Limit for Civil Services Examination span of e1igibility also enabk'd the older candidates to master the techniques of examination and inadvertantly placed a 542. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH premium on study by rote as against the SHRI SANTOSH MOHAN DEV intrinsic intellectual qualities of critical analysis and power of assimilation and width the MINISTER pleased Will PRIME be and depth of knowledge of the candidate. to state: It was also found difficult to mould the older candidates to the requirements of (a) whether there has been persistent an organ;sed Civil Service. Government also demand for restoring the maximum age did not receive the benefit of a full term limit for Civil Services Examination to 28 of service (assumed as 33 years) from the years from 26 years, the level to which it older candidates who entered service at a was reduced in 1983: late stage. Taking into account these consi- derations and on the recommendations of (b) whether there has also been demand the Union Public Service Commission, the for coaching centres for Civil Services National Training Conference on Training Examination candidates in backward areas; of Civil Servants in India and the Director, and Sardar Vallabbabhai Patel National Police Academy, Hyderabad and in consultation (c) if so, what is the Government's with State Governments, in so far as the response to these demands ? All India Services are concerned, the Government of India decided in tbe year THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1983 to reduce the upper age limit from 28 MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC years to 26 years with effect from the Civil GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI Services Examination, 1985 and onwards P. CHIDAMBARAM) : (a) to (c). A with the usual relaxation for Scheduled statement is attached. Castes and Scheduled Tribes candidates and such other categories as may be notified Statement from time to time. Tbe Department of Personnel and Training has been receiving representations 3. Before taking the above decision to from individuals and collectively from the reduce the upper age limit, it was also student community for the restoration of examined whether it will adversely affect upper age limit as 28 years for appearing rural candidates. It was felt that people in the Civil Services Examination. from rural areas with their meagre resources can ill-afford to educate their children 2. The upper age limit of candidates indefinitely and let them wait for long to appearing in the I. A. S. etc. examination get what passes for best employment in was 24 years till 1971. It was raised to 26 Government. Therefore, a higher upper age in 197'. and to 28 years in 1979. Govern- limit was likely to help the ut'ban candidates ment's objective is to recruit, under strict rather tban rural candidates. Normally. 191 W,ltten A,,,wn-I FEBRUARY 26,1986 candidates for the Civil Services Examina- the American company, Computer Data tion, including those from rural areas, would Corpora tion; acquire the minimum educational qualifica- tion by the time they attain the age of (b) if so, the details thereof; about 21 years which leaves them ahout 4-5 years' time to appear for the examination (c) whether the US has also agreed to even under the upper age limit of 26 supply super computers to India; and years. (d) jf not, what is the precise proposal 4. On the advice of the Union Public and at what stage the matter stands at Service Commission to reduce the upper present? age limit as early as possible the decision to reduce the upper age limit to 26 years was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to be implemented with effect from the MINISTRY OF SC1ENCE AND TECHNO~ Civil Services Examination. 1985. However, LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS on the basis of representations from several OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS. ATOMIC students who could not avaIl of more than ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE one chance within the reduced upper age (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b). limit after the reduction in age limit was Yes, Sir. Under the collaboration arrange- declared in 19S3. it was decided to postpone ment, the Control Data Corporation will the implementation of the decision to the provide the know how required for the Civil Services Examination commencing in manufacture of two series of computers 1986. Quite a few candidates, who had not namely Cyber 810 and 830. The project will l.vailed of three chances, represented that be initiated by Electronics Corporation of the decision of the Government may be India Limited. Hyderabad. a public ~ector implemented only from the Civil Services undertaking. The project is expected to be Examination commencing in 1987. Hence, commenced in the beginning of the finacial in order to give such candidates. who might year 1986-87. have been affected as regards the number of chance~ available to them, a third and (c) and (d). Purcba~e of super comT'uters final chance to appear in the Civil Services are under various states of discu~5ion with the Examination, the Government decided to keep US Comraniec;. Jf the Indinn parties decide the upper age limit at 28 for the Civil Services upon a particular model of the computer Examination. ] 986. However, Government suited to their requirement" and ohtain ~ has reaffirmed its resolve to implement the approval from the GC'vernment of India in upper age limit of 26 years from the Civi1 this regard, the concerned US company will Services Examination commencing in 1987. be required to put an official request to the US Government for export clearance. 5. As regards the request for establi~h ment of coaching centres for candidates in Implementation of schemes under backward area~, Government has agreed to 20-Point Programme it in principle. 544. SHRI P. M. SAYEED: Will the Main Frame Computers Minister of PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTA- 543. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: TION be pleased to state: SHRI V. S VIJAYARAGHAVAN: (a) whether the weI fare programmes SHRT K. KUNJAMBU = started by various Ministries and Depart- SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO: ments under their administrative control have been gauged through; wm the PRTME MINISTER be pleased (b) the action taken to watch the to state: progress made in ca<;e of various projects (a) whether Government have c1eared particularly those whi:h are closely linked the multimillion dollar project for making with the uplift of the weaker sections of main frame computers in collaboration with the society; 1'93 W,.ltten An",,", PHALGUNA '. 19O? (SA£f) (c) the steps taken and methodology so received and prepare a consolidated adopted to get feed-back from the Ministries report which is vetted by tbe concemed directly re!ponsible for implementing various subject Advisers in the Platming Commission schemes under tbe 20 Point Programme and tbereafter issued. Schemes relating to including Rural Development, Welfare, the uplift or the weaker-sections of tbe Labour and Healtb Ministrie!; and society including Rural Development, Welfare, Labour and Health Ministries are (d) the data collected indicating the also being monitorea alOllg with other progress made during the last about four schemes under the 20-Point Programme. months when the Ministry was set-qp and Departments of Rural Development and made responsible for implementation ? Family Welfare have made specific arrange- ments for monitoring and evallJation of tbe THE MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY programme through tbe establishment of field OF PROGRAMME IMPLEMENTATION evaluation units in the country. Certain aspect (SHRI A. B. A. GHANI KHAN of the programme are also evaluated by t_ CHOUDHARY) : (a) to (c). The imple- Programme Evaluation Organisation of tbe mentation of the 20-Point Programme is Planning Commission and other independent done by the State Governments and U. T. research institutions. Further, officers of the Administrations. However, the implementa- concerned Central Ministries /DePartments tion of the programme is being monitored and the ~anning Commission visit States! by the Ministry regularly on monthly and UTs to see the progress under the 20-Point quarterly basis. For the Monthly Progress Programme. Report information is received in this Ministry directly from the States/U.Ts. For (d) A statement giving tbe progress of the Quarterly Progress Report the inform- implementing the items of tbe Pr~ammes mation is received by the concerned Central covered under the Monthly PlOllfJII it~rt Ministries from the States/UTs. The for tbe period April-October, 19~5 and Ministries/Departments analyse the reports April '8S-January '86 is attached. Statement Point Item Unit Cumula1ive AcbiewawIrt ..d No. % age Achievement ageagainst Targets for tbe period April '85 April 'SS to October '85 January, 1986 1 2 3 4 5 3 A IRDp· (Old and New) Lakh families 10.0 18.2 (60) (6Q) 3 B NREp· (Mandays) -do- 1005.3 1688.9 (100) (103) -do- 927.7 1559.9 (103) (10' 4 Surplus Land '000 Acres 47.4 74.0 (84) (76) 6 Bonded Labour Nos. 7195 13351 Rehabititation (69) (64) 195 Wrltt~n AlUtHr, fEBRUARY 26, 1986 Wrlllen Answe" 196 1 2 3 4 5 7A S. C. Families Lakh Nos. 8.1 14.9 (76) (83) 7 B S. T. Families -do- 3.4 S.S (75) (85) 8 Drinking Water No. of villages 20285 29999 (161) (142) 9 A House Sites Lukh Nos. 3.7 6.3 (l18) (33) 9 B Construction -do- 1.9 2.6 Assistance (87) (79) 10 A SI um population -do- 8.4 14.8 (104) (122) 10 B EWS Houses -do- O.S 0.9 (85) (80) 11 A Villages electrified Nos. 4880 10648 (75) (76) 11 B Pumpsets energised Lakh Nos. I.S 2.7 (102) (98) 12 A Tree Plantation -do- 24221 27874 (97) (106) 12 B Biogas Plants (States) '000 46.4 95.0 (119) (112) 13 Sterilisation Laab Nos. 17.7 32.1 (71) (76) 14 A PHCe Nos. SO 913 (22) (118) 14 B Sub-Centres Nos. 1529 2203 (83) (52) IS leDS Blocks Nos. 150 153 (140) (99) 197 Written Answer. Definition of 'P-oor' and 'Poverty Line' Expenditure Surveys of the National Sample Survey Organisation. The same calorie norms 545. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: have been made use of in the latest exercises SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : as well. For the Seventh Plan the updated PROF. K. K. TEWARY : consumption expenditure (poverty line) bas been worked out to be Rs. 107 in rural areas Will the Minister of PLANNING be and Rs. 122 in urban areas at 1984-85 prices, pleased to state : per capita per month. (a) whether it is a fact that the study (d) The percentage of population living group set up by the Planning-Commission in below the poverty line in 1984-85 (the latest 1962 defined 'poor as a persons who incurs available) is 36.9. an expenditure of Rs. 20 per month at 1960-61 price level'; Review of Official Secrets Act (b) if so, whether any changes have been 546. SHRI MANJK REDDY : wm the made since tben, in the definition of 'poor' Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to and' poverty lrne'; state: (c) if so, what is the latest Dorm regard- (a) whether the Official Sel:rets Act was ing the 'Poverty-line'; and brought on tbe statute book as far back as 1923; (d) on the basis of this norm, what is the percentage of population living belcw the (b) whether it is a fact that certain poverty line ? provisions of the said Act tend to be counter- productive under changed conditions; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. (c) whether Government propose to PANJA) : (a) Yes, Sir. The Working Group review the said Act? set up by the Planning Commission in 1962 came to the view that in order to provide THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the minimum nutritional diet and to allow DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- for a modest degree of items other than food, RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a). Yes, the national minimum consumption expendi- Sir. ture for a household of five persons should not be less than Rs. 100 per month at (b) and (c). No. Does not arise. 1960 ... 6l prices i.e., Rs. 20 per capita per month. Inclusion of Dhobi Community in the List of Schedules Castes (b) and (c). The concept of poverty line and the estimates of percentage of persons 548. SHRI V. SOBHANADEESWARA below it were attempted for the first time for RAO: WlIl the Minister of WELFARE be the Sixth Five Year Plan (1980-95). These pleased to state : were based on the recommendations of a Task Force on Minimu:n Needs and Effective (a) whether washerman community is Consumption Demand appointed by the recognised as Scheduled Caste in some Planning Commission in 1977, which defined States; the poor as those whose per capita consump- (b) if so, the names of such States; tion expenditure corresponded to a per capita daily calorie intake of 2400 in rural areas and (c) whether the washerman Associations 2100 in urban areas. The corresponding money of Andhra Pradesh ba ve requested to values of con~umption expenditure of such Government of India for inclusion of Dhobi intake (the poverty line) per capita per month Community in tbe list of Scheduled Castes; have been worked out to be Rs. 49.09 in and rural areas and Rs. 56.65 in urban areas at 1973-74 prices. The main data source for (d) if so, the reaction of GO\'ernmcnt \bOlO catimatu is tbe QUUlqUCDoial CODSw;ncf thereto ? THE DiPUIY MINlSTBR IN THE T. V. TraolDllssje. FaciUtiel to Statee MINlSTR.Y OF WELFARE (SHRI through INSAT·Ie Ol&IDHAw.R GOMANGO): (.) aDd (b). Waabeanan (Dhabi) commuoity bas been 549. SHal V. S. KRISHNA IYER : ~og\ljsed ~ Scheduled Castes in the Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to foliowiol. S'iltoa/Union Territories: state : States: (a) when twill INSAT -1 C be launched; 1. Assam (Dbupi, Dhabi). (b) which are the States that will be pro\'ided with regional T. V. transmission 2. Bihar facilities consequent on the launching of INSAT-IC; and 3. Himacbal Pradesh (Chhimbe, Dhobi). (c) whether Karoataka will get the T.V. regional transmission facility during 1986 ? 4. Kerla (Vannan) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE s. Madhya Pradesh in Bhopal, Raisen MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNO- and Sehore districts. LOGY AND IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, ATOMIC 6. Manipur (Dhupi, Dhobi) ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) The 7. MegbaJaya (Dbupi, Dhobi) INSAT-IC is currently scbeduled for launch by US-NASA STS Flight No. 61-1 with a 8. Orissa (Dboba, Dhobi) nominal launch date of September 27. 1986. 9. Rajasthan (b) As pet current plans. upon launcb 10. Tamil Nadu in Kanya Kumari and successful operationalisation of IN SAT - district and Shenkottab taluk of IC, using one C-b and transponder on Tirunolveli district (Vannan) INSAT -1 B and two C-band transpoders on INSAT-IC, regional TV feeds are to be 11. Tripura (Ohoba) available in a phased manner to the TV transmitters in Maharashtra, AndhIa Pradcsll, 12. Ultar Pradesh Karnataka, Orissa and the North-Eastern region. Of tbese, the regional feeds for 13. West Bengal (Dhoba, Dhobi) Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh are expected to be commissioned using INSAT - Union Territories IB in course of the current calender year. 1. Delhi (c) No, Sir. 2. Arunachal Pradesh (Dbupi or Dhobi) 3. Mizoram (Dbupi or Dhobi) Allotment of Funds to North Easters Coundl (c) Yes Sir. 550. sHat N. TOMBI SINGH : Will (d) Tho above proposal is beiDg consi- the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to dered along with similar other proposals in state: the context of thc proposed comprehensive rcvi.iqn of the list of Scbeduled Castes and (a) whether Government have extended Scbeduled Tribes. Furtbet any amendment specific financial allocations to the Nortb in tbc ~xisting lists of Scbeduled Castes and Eastetn Council for the Dcvelopmcnt of ScbeduJed Tribes can be done only througb Environment aDd Forests in the North .p. Act or PadJaO)C4lt in view or Articles Butern RcSioD durina tbe Sevcnth Five Year 341(2) aDd 342(2) of the Consti,utioll. PlaD; . . PHALOUNA ;, 1901 (SAKA) W,ltt~h .41l.werl 202 (b) jf so, whether the aUocations have Statement been sanctioned on the basis of time bound Statement showing financial allocation8 10 comprehensive proposals; ~he Nort~.Eastern Council S:ale,l and Union TerTltorles on North .. Eastern Region dUring Seventh Five Year Plan for the development of Environment and Forests (c) if so, details thereof; and SI. No. State/UT Financial allocations (d) if not, whether Government propose made during 1985- to consider taking due steps in this behalf ? 90 for the develop- ment of environ- ment and forests. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIN1STRYof PLANNJNG (SHRI A. K. (A) States PANJA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 1. Assam 7150.00 2. Manipur 1497.00 (r) Environment: Tbe major time bound, 3. Meghalaya 2920.00 comprehensive proposal covering the North 4. Nagaland 1805.00 Eastern States include : Eco-development programmes; Environmental education/ 5. Tripura 1555.00 Preparation of status reports and inventory of flora and fauna; Environmental research (B) Union Territories and development projects; etc. The individual 6. Arunachal Pradesh 3008.00 pr<>jects have been identified for location specific R and 0 requirements. Demonstra- 7. Mizoram 1505.00 tion, field experiments and extension projects have been initiated. (C) North-Eastern Council 892.94 Total North Eastern Region 20332.94 Forests and Wildlife: In the Seventh Plan a forward looking approach by laking up new schemes and avoiding the spill-over In addition, financial assistance would of large number of schemes to a minimum also be made available under various level has been adopted. Regrouping of small Centrally sponsored schemas on year to year schemes has beeo done to launch 00 major basis depending upon the State!UT Proposals. afforestation efforts including Social Forestry. Production Forestry and Farm Forestry. Physical Veriiication of Achie,emeJlts Forestry Research and Education, Training, Forest Conservation and Development, Reported by States in Respect of Protection, Wildlife PreservatioD, Develop- 10-Point Programme ment of Parks and Sanctuaries and Benefi- ciary Oriented Forestry Scbemes have aU 551. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Will been taken up for implementation in the the Minister OF PROGRAMME IMPLE- North Eastern States. These programmes MENTATION be pleased to state: would also help in solving the issues relating to shifting cultivation in this area and (a) whether Government have adopted rehabilitation or the population. The details devices for physical verification of the of the financial allocations are given in the achievements reported by the various State enclosed statement. Governments in rcs~t of 20-Point Pro- gramme; (d) Does not arile. (b) if so, details thereof; 203 Wrltte" ..4"sw~r' FEBRUAltY 26,1986 Wrltt~" A1I8wer, 204 (c) if not. whether Government are (c) whether Government propose to aware of the complaints from backward and allot forest land to adivasi people who are interior districts all over the country that residing in forest for plantation and also most of the achievement figures are bureau- give them some remuneration for the cratic exercises without corresponding protection of plants and later on give them material benefit; and 50 per cent share of tree so that poor people of that area may be rehabilitated? (d) if so, Government's reaction thereto? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF PROGRAMME MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND IMPLEMENTA TlON (SHRl A. B. A. FORES rs (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : (a) Yes, GH&.NI KH-\N CHOUDHARY) : ~a) and Sir. (b). No specific devices have been adopted by different Ministries/Departm;!nts of the (b) Every year a p.lft of the total Government of India for pbysical vl!rifkation allocation earmarked against plantation of achievement reported by States/U. Ts. activity in forestry sector is spent in tribal However, offi;;ers of the concerned Central areas. No resport of significant failure of Mtnistries/Departments and the Planning such plantations has been received by the Commission visit the States/U. Ts. and see Central Government. the progre,:) under the 20-Point Programme. Further, Ministry of Welfare have i$sued (c) Some State Governments like guidelines to the States!Ufs for adoption Gujarat, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh of CODcurrent on-the-spot evaluation of have adopted beneficiary oriented schemes family orient;!d eClnornic programmes. The for t(ibals inhabiting forests areas and D.!plrtment of Rural D~vdopment and forests fringes. Such schemes have an Family Welfare have made arrangements for inbuil t component of payment of subsistance monitoring and evaluation of the programme allowance to beneficiaries during the growth through establishment of field evaluation period of the trees, and of sharing of units in the conntry. Certain aspects of usufructs or a percentage of net receipts the programme are also evaluated by the from the harvested material at maturity. Programme Evaluation Organisation and other independent research institutions. Expenditure on Mathew Commission (c) and (d). No specific complaint about the correctness of the figures has been 553. SHRI ANAND SINGH: With the received from the backward and interior Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to districts all over the country. However, the state the expenditure invoh-ed in connection Planning Commission had wriuen )n August, with tho! deliberations of the Mathew 1983 to all States/U .Ts to check the Commission appointed in regard to veracity of the figures reported and tb~ implementation of Punjab Accord? replies received indicated that the figures reported were correct. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL Allotment of Land to Adiv8si People Residing in Forest SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHkU): It is not possible to indicate the exact amount 552. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: of expenditure incurred by the Mathew Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Commission, as some biHs are still out· state : standing. However, tbe e ~penditure is not likely to exceed a sum of Rs. 6.00 lakhs, (a) whether Government a~e ~ware .that which was allotted to it. certain areas e.g. Baroda Dlstnct In GUJarat are having majorIty of a Adiva~i population Steps to Cleanse Public Life and these areas are covered by forest; ANAND SINGH: Will (b) whether a large amount is being 554. SHRI HOME AFFAIRS be spellt on plantatiob in tribal areas every year tbe Minister of pleased to state ; but 00 fruitful result acbieved. aDd PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer. 20G (a) whether any schemes have been Atrocities on Scheduled Tribes prepared by Government to cleanse the public life; 555. SHRI AJOY BISWAS: Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state: (b) if so, details thereof; and (a) the number of cases of atrocities (c) steps taken in pursuance thereof? reported on Scheduled Tribes during 1983-84 and 1985 (State-wise); THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFA1RS (b) the main reasons for atrocities on (SHRI S. B. ellAVAN): (a) to (c). There Scbeduled Tribes; and is already a Code of Conduct for Ministers. (c) number of people arrested for committing atrocities on Tribals ? The Government is committed to provide a clean and efficient administration THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and to improve the quality of service to the MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRI peoole. The Lokpal Bill, 1985, which was GJRIDHAR GOMANGO) : (a) A state- introduced in Lok Sabha in August, 1985 is ment showing the State-wise number of also a step in this direction. For fighting cases of atrocities on Sl.!heduled Tribes corruption in public administration, various during 1983-1984 and 1985 as reported by measures have been adopted such as different States/Union Territories is annexed. identification of corruption prone areas) simplification of rules and procedures, (b) Atrocities against the Scheduled strengthening of departmental vigilance Tribes maioly ensue from socio· economic machinery, expeditious disposal of vigilance reasons like land disputes, money lending, cases, and regular review of cases of bonded labour system, exploitation in Government servants on attaining the age forestry and minimum wages etc. of 50/55 years of age or on completion of (c) The requisite information is being 30 years of service with a view to weeding collected and will be laid on tbe Table of out the corrupt and inefficient elements. the House. Statement Statement 3howing the number of cases of atrocities on Scheduled Tribes during 1983. 1984 and 1985 reported by different States! UT!. SI. States/UTs. 1983 1984 1985 1985 Figures No. upto the month of 1 2 3 4 5 6 1. Andbra Pradesh 31 54 19 December 2. Assam Nil 13 Nil March 3. Bihar 116 203 180 October 4. Gujarat 94 114 125 December 5. Himachal Pradesh Nil Nil Nil December 6. Karnataka 4 1 Nil October 18 7. Kelala 104 59 September 8. ~adbya Pradesh 3119 3144 2955 December 207 Jl'rltttn Iflftw~, PEBR UAR Y 26, 1'U; """'Id A"'fVers 20S 1 2 3 4 5 6 ------9. Maharashtra 240 159 169 December 10. Manipur Nil Nil 2 December 11. Meghalaya Nil Nil Nil October 12 Nagaland Nil Nil Nit November 13. Ori~sa 53 55 46 December 14. Rajasthan 439 400 379 December 15. Sikkim Nil Nil Nil December Tamil Nadu 16. Nil 4 1 October 17. Tripura Nil Nil Nil December 18. Uttar Pradesh Nil Nil 3 December 19. West Bengal 20 15 IS November 20. A and N Islands Nil 3 1 November 21. Arunachal Pradesh 36 30 11 November Dadra and Nagar Haveli 22. Nil Nil Nil December 23. Goa, Daman and Diu Nil Nil Nil December 24. Laksbadweep Nil Nil Nil December 25. Mizoram Nil Nil Nil December Total 4170 4299 3965 R.ecommendations of High Level Com- (b) if so, which part of the recom- mittee on Ex-Servicemen's Problems mendation No. 15.56 has been accepted; 556. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: (c) which of the States have agreed to Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased take necessary steps to implement partially to state: recommdation No. 15.56; and (a) whether the Defence Minister had (d) whether the Union Government have announced in the House on 19 August, 1985 advised various State Governments to tbat Government had partially accepted the implement the recommendation through recommendation No. 15.56 of the High suitable legislation expeditiously ? Level Committee on Ex-Servicemen's problems which provided for the ex·service- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE men ~'geuing back their houses on retirement DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH for self-occupation on a time bound basis AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN and under summary procedures"; SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 209 Wrltltll An,wf" PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) W'/tlt1l AIIIWt" 110 (b) The • Central Government has If necessary. legi51atioD may be undertaken accepted accepted the part relating to by a11 the Stat. Governments. n ex-servicemen "getting back their bouses on (c) The State-wise position is depicted retiremeot for self-occupation on a time in the attached statement. bound basis and under summary procedures. (d) Yes, Sir. Statement (a) States in which there is a provisions for vacation of residential accommodation for ex-servicemen: (i) Gujarat. (ii) Haryana. (iii) Jammu and Kashmir. (iv) Karnataka. (v) Kerala· (vi) Madbya Pradesh@ (vii) Maharashtra. (viii) Punjab· (ix) Tripura. (x) Uttar Pradesh. (xi) West Bengal. *1n these States there is a provision for summary disposal of cases relating to vacation of residential accommodation of ex-servicemen. @In the case of Madhya Pradesh, there is a special provision for recovery of possession for the members of the Armed Forces of the Union or the members of the family of a deceased member of such Forces. (b) Stafes in which tbere are some special provisions for vacation of residential accommodation. (i) Himachal pradeSh] ... . (ii) Tamil Nadu The prOVISion IS for servmg personnel only. (iii) Orissa. Thare is no provision in the Act, but tbere are administrative instructions on the subject. (c) States in which there is DO provision for vocation of residential accommodation of ex-servicemen. (i) Andhra Pradesh. (ii) Assam. (iii) Bihar. (iv) Rajasthan-Intends to promulgate the legislation and bas forwarded the draft Ordnance to the Government of India recently. (d) States in whicb tbere is no problem in regard to '.~tiOD of relitleDti.1 accoDl. modatlon of ex-se"icemen. (i) Manipur. (ii) Meghalaya. (iii) Nagaland. (iv) Sikkim. 'PBBRUARY 26, 1986 Settlog ., of Hen, Water Plants (b) No, Sir. lIow~ver a Working -Oroup has been set "P by IDBI in coosultation S57. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: with the Department of Electronics for Will the PRIME MINISTER 'be pleased to helping the speedy processing or loan state : applications for tbe electronic components industry. (a' whether Government have a proposal to set up some Heavy Water Plants during (c) Most of the policies and dttailed the Seventh Plan period; implementation guidelines have already been announced. Government is promoting (b) if so, the number of heavy water appropriate use of electronics to improve plants proposed to be set up by Government productivity, efficienccy and service in during the above plan period; different areas,. Development of human resources has been recognised as crucial (c) tbe places identified for the location factor in tbe success of electronics programme of such heavy water plants; and and a comprehensive scheme has already been initiated. To assist a large number of (d) the details thereof? smaH and medium units, the existing base of test and development centres is being THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE upgraded in line with emerging technological MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND requirements. As a part of the TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- electronification of services, computerised MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, national information set up is being ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTR\)NICS AND extended right upto the district level. SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PAT1L) : (a) to (d). Yes, Madam, there is a proposa1 to Statement set up a 110 MT/YR Heavy Water Plant based on Mono-thermal ammonia-hydrogen Government has taken a number of exchange process linked to tbe fertilizer steps to formulate new promotional policy to plant of KRTBHCO at H,alir~ in Gujarat. accelerate the growth of electronics in tbe country. The basic thrust of new policy is in Steps for Growth of Elecrtronics the following direction : S58. SHRIMATI JAYANTI (1) A generalliberatisation of lic:encing PATNAIK : Will the PRIME MINISTER po liey, with emphasis on promotion rather be pleased to sta te : tban on regulation. (2) Where controls are unavoidable, as (a) the steps taken by Government for a general rule, resort win be taken to fiscaJ tbe growth of electronics; controls, in preference to physical controls. (b) whether Government have a proposal (3) By and large, there will be no upper to set up an electronic development bank for limit on capacity and no restriction of the growth of electronic indusry; and sectoral nature like large scale, sman scale, private sector I public sector etc. except where (e) what other step~ are proposed to be specific reservations are made on very special taken for the growth of electronics industry ? considerations. (4) Volume production at the economic THE MIN1STER OF STATE IN THE leve), with contemporary technology would be MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND the guiding principle. TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS. The following specific measures need to ATOMIC ENERGY~ ELECTR07'-'lCS AND be hjghlighted : SPACE (SHRI SHjVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) The steps taken by Govcrr.ment for the (i) For certain category of items growth or electronics are !tisted in the "broad-band" licences will be atta~bed statement. issued. PHALOUNA " 1907 (SAKA) "rille" A",,,ol 214 (ii) The electronic components industry Secti on 21 and 22 of MRTP Act, bas been delicensed. Also consumer This is besides the increase durables are delicensed subject to in limit of MR. TP investment tbe conditioD that the units would of Rs. 20 crores to Rs. 100 not draw upon the resources from crores. tbe financial institutions. (x) A nev: computer policy has been (iii) Import of technology and foreign announced with emphasis on the collaboration will be permitted in maunfacture ()f c()mputers based on all areas of electronics. Units having latest technology at prices foreign equity less than 40% will be comparable with international level permitted in all areas. and progressive1y increase indigenisation consistent with (iv) For the following items, the economic viability. technology will be acquired on a centralised basis to achieve (xi) Import duty on raw materials, economies of scales. components and capital equipment has been reduced. In the case of (a) Telephone Instruments. computers, includmg software (b) Electronic PABX systems. and black and white TV receivers with 36" screen SIze, tbere is (c) Rural Automatic Exchange. complete exemption f,om excjsc duty. (v) Development of small scale industry wdl be encouraged. Approval for a (xii) The import policy has been number of Items have been rationalised with a view to increase decentralised to the level of State production. Dis. Investment hroit for this sector has been revised to Rs. Atomic Power Station at Nagariua. 35.0 lakbs and that for ancillary Sagar unts to Rs. 45.0 lakhs. 559. SHRI BHAITAM SRIRAMAMURTY Win the PRIME (vi) For the sake of economies of scale, MINISTER be pleased to stato : it is proposed to dereserve some of tbe components which are reserved for small scale sector. (a) whether Government have coD5idcrcd the report of Five Southern Electlicity Reiions; (vii) Electronic units will be allowed to establish in any permissible (b) when the report was submitted and location. . whether any deCIsion was taken on tho question of AtomIC Power Station at (viii) In tbe area of telcommunication, Nagarjuna Sagar in Andhra Pradesh; manufacture of telephones, EPABX, teleprinters, faecimlle equipment, Cc) how many such Power Stations are data communication termmals etc. proposed to be set up during the Seventh have been allowed 10 the private Plan Period; and sector. Other items can also be taken up by pr~vate sector with (d) places under consideration 1. Central/Slate GoveJll1Dents participation ,of at least 51% of tbe THE MINISTER. OF STArn IN THE ~9uity share. M1NlSTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPAR.T- Ox) In almost all areas of electronics. MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTSJ exclu'ding consumer cJ~troDjcs, ATOMIC ENERGY. ELECrRONJCS AND MRTP cOlXlpanie$ have beeD SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : Area Suspended Sulphur Carbon Oxides particulate dioxide monoxide of Nitrogen Industrial and mixed used. 500 120 5,000 120 Residental and rural 200 80 2,000 80 Sensitive (hill stations, tourist 100 30 1,000 30 resorts, sanctuaries, National monuments, health resorts and other such areas). (b) Standards of air quality in India are (b) whether Government would comparable to those of USA and higher endeavour to in(.rease tbe Dumber of tben those of USSR. Sainik Schools aU over tbe country; and (c) whether there is provision for (c) Does not arise. admission of children of non-service personnel and if so, the number of tbose [Translation) children of non-service personnel admitted every year? Sainik School. in Delhi and Rajasthan THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 561. SHRI BANWARI LAL BAIRWA : DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be pleased RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT to state: (SHRl ARUN SINGH): (a) There is no Sainik School in Delhi. ]0 Rajasthan, a <8> tbe number of Sainik Schools being Sainik School is (uDctionins at Cbittorgarh. run in Delhi and Rajasthan and the number As on 31st January, 1986, there were 562 Or students enrolled in tbesc schools; students in the scbool. 211 Written An8we" P}tALGUNA " 1901 (~AKA) "',liten An8wers 218 (b) A Sainik School is established on the Induction or MIG-27 Air~r8ft in lA.F. specific request of a State Government/ Union Territory Administration as the entire 563. SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV : capital expenditure and a major portion of SHRI R. M. BHOYE : the recurring expenditure of tbe school has to be borne by them. At present there are Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 1~ Sainik Schools in the country. Opening pleased to state: of more Sainik Schools can be considered if specific requests as per the Scheme of (a) whether any M.I.G. 27 aircraft has Sainik Schools are received from the State been inducted in the Air Force recently; GovernmeontsjUT Administrations. (b) wbether tbey were produced indige- (c) Only 25% of the seats in Sainik nous1y or purchased from abroad; and Schools are reserved for children of Service (c) the salient features of tbe aircraft 1 personnel, including ex-servicemen. The remaining seats are available for chiidren of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Don-Service personnel. The number of DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RESEARCH children of non-Service personnel admitted AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN every year depends on the vacancies in each SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. school. (b) and (c). The MIG-27 aircraft is a (English] supersonic, single seater, fighter bomber. It is an advanced technology aircraft capable Title deeds to Settlers in Forest Land of carrying sophisticated weapons. The air- in Kera1a craft is being manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. under licence from the 562. SHRI K. MOHAN DAS : Will the Government of the U.S.S.R. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: Inclusion of Manipuri LaDgoage iD tbe (a) whether Government of Kerala has Eighth ScbeduJe sought Centre's permission to grant title deeds to certain categories of settlers in the forest 564. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA : Will land in that State; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether Government have received a memorandum from the Manipur units of the (c) the decision takeD by Government All India Youth Federation recently demand .. thereon 1 ing the inclusion of Manipuri (Meiteilaw) • language in the Eighth Schedule of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Constitution declaring it a recognised national MINISTRY Of ENVIRONMENT AND language and withdrawal of the Armed fORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI): (a) and F0rces Special Powers Act (Assam and (b). The State Government have sought the Manipur) 1985; and approval of the Central Government for diversion of 8.632 ba. of forest land in (b) if so, tbe details tbereo! and Govern- Ollukkara village in Tricbur District for ment's reaction thereto ? assignment to the people who have encroa- ched upon these lands. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) and (c) As clarifications sought by tbe (b). Yes, Sir. The Government arc of the Central Government from the State Govern- view tbat inclusion of more languages in the ment have not been provided, no decision Eighth Scbedule would create other repercus- could be tak.en so far by the Central Govern- sioDS and reactions. However. it is tho IDCDt. endeavour of ,be Government to develop (a) wbether tbe anDual plan outlay for the cultural and literary heritage of all the Kerala for 19.86 ... 87 has been finalised; and lanauages irrespective of their iaclusioD in the Eighth Schedule. Due to continuing acts of violence by (~) if so, the aQlount aDd tile delaita tbe underground extremists and threats to thereof ? tbe lives of common citizen and to the law- fully constituted Government, it is not THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE desirable to withdraw the Armed Forces MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. Special Powers Act (Assam and Manipur) PANJA): (a) Yes, Sir. 1958. Annual Plaa Outlay for Kerala (b) Tbe approved plan outlay of Kera1a 565. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the for 1986 .. 87 is Rs. 390 crores, break-up of Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state: which is liven in the encl~d statement. Statement (Rs. lakhs) Head of Development Agreed Outlay 1 2 I. Agrkulture and Allied Services S200 11. Rural Development 2045 III. Special Area Programmes 100 IV. Irrigation and Flood Control 6550 V. Energy 7709 VI. lodPJtcy and Minerall Village and Small Industries 953 Industries (other than VilJage and Small Industries) 2337 Min ina 60 Total (VI) 3350 VII. T~..,ort Ports and Li&ht Houses 220 Roads and Bridges 3600 R.oad Transport SSO Inland Wattr Transport 160 Total (VII) 4530 VW. Scic~ Toc~olo~ a~d Environment 'SO IX. General Economic Services 370 X. IWueation, Sport$. Art and Culture 1292 1200 XI. Bcaldl• t, HI W,It"" AIII.H, PRALGUN'A 7, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt,,, A~, 222 1 XII. WlllerSIl"dy, Hoollng and Urban Development Water Supply and Sanitation 2100 Housina (including Police Housing) 800 Urban Development (incl. State Capital Projects) 340 xnI. Information and Publicity 80 XIV. Welfare of Schedu~ Castes, Scbeduled Tribes and Other Backward Classes 450 xv. Labour and Labour Welfare 97 XVI. Social Welfare and Nutrition Social Security and Welfare 140 Nutrition 1333 XVII. General Se"ices Stationery and Printing 103 Public Works 700 Total XVII 800 Grand Total [ TranJlation] (b) and (c). Since during enquiries, users could not identify the sources of Supply of lub.. standard Paints supplies, no action could be taken. 566. SHRI NIRMAL KHA TIRI : \Vill lEng/ishj the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : Annual Plao for Bihar fo 1986-87 (a) whether complaints have been 567. SHRI RAM PYARE PANlKA received that sub-standard paints are being Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased supplied to the various Departments of tbe to state : Ministry of Defence; (a) whether tbe annual plan for Bihar (b) whether any enquiry bas been for 1986-87 bas been discussed and approved conducted in tbis regard and if so, tbe by the Planning Commission; findings tbereof; and (b) if so, the Outlay for the year; and (c) whether any actioD has been taken against the concerned firms of Uttar Pradesh (c) in which sectors of developmen~ on tbe basis of the enquiry report ? stress in beina laid during the year in the State? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TION AND DEFENCE SUPPUES (SHRI MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SURI A. K. SUKH RAM) (a) During 1985 oo)y two PANJA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The Annual defect reports relatina to points were received Plan 1986-87 of Bihar bas already been from tbe user units. finalised at as. 11 so ClORa. 223 Wrllle" Answer, FEBRUARY 26,1986 ""'tte" A",w'r. 224 (c) During 1986-87, stress is being laid PANJA): (a) and (b). Statement-I giving on agriculture, irrigation, power, poverty the Seventh Five Year Plan outlays under the alleviation programmes, industries, health and various heads of development and their share problem areas development programme. in the total PubHc sector outlay is attached. (c) The Seventh Plan lays great stress on Allocations in tbe Seventh Five Year human resource development and a major Plan component in this is the expansion of the social infJ astructure for education, health care, water supply and sanitation. Besides 568. SHRt HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will human resource development also includes the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to measures to improve the participation of state: vulnerable groups like scheduled castes, scheDuled tribes, women and disabled persons (a) the head which has been given in the development process. priority allocations in the Seventh Five Year Plan; The outlays for human resource develop. ment in this wider sense has been stepped up (b) the head-wise allocation in the from Rs. 14035.26 crOTes in Sixth Plan Seventh Five Year Plan; and 1980-85 (14.4% of total Plan outlay) to Rs. 29350.46 crores in the Seventh Plan (c) reasons as to wily Human resources 1985-90 (16.3% of total Ptan outlay) repre- development bas been given less significance senting an increase of 109.1 per cent. The so far as financial allocations are concerned? share of aJJocation in social services is also the second highest; next only to the Energy THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sector. Statement II indicating the details is MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. attached. Statement.I Public Sector Outlays--Seventh Plan (Rs. crores) SI. No. Head of Development Outlay Percentage of total outlay 1. Energy 54821.26 30.45 n. Social Services 29350.46 16.31 III. Transport 22971.02 12.76 IV. Industry and Minerals 24060.83 12.48 V. Irrigation and Flood Control 16978.65 9.43 VI. Agriculture 10573.62 S.87 VII. Rural Development 9074.22 5.04 VIII. Communication, information and 6472.46 3.60 Broadcasting IX. Special Area Programmes 3144.69 1.75 X. Science and Technology 2466.00 1.37 Xl. Others 1686.79 0.94 Grand Total 180000.00 100.00 ~ -~------~- - PHULOUNA 7, 1901 (SAKA) Statement-II Plan Provisions for Social Services during Sixth and Seventh P'~ns (Ra. crores) Social Services Sixth Plan Seventh Plan Percenta!e Outlay Outlay Increase Education 2523.74 6382.65 152.9 Health 1753.05 3392.89 93.S Family Welfare 1078.00 . 3256.26 202.1 Housing and Urban Development 2488.40 4259.50 71.2 Water Supply and Sanitation 3922.02 6522.47 66.3 Welfare of SC, ST and Other 960.30 1520.43 58.3 Backward Classes Special Central Assistance for S.C. 600.00 930.00 55.0 Comdonent Plans Social Welfare 271.97 1012.36 272.2 Nutrition 238.14 1740.18 630.7 Labour and Labour Welfare 119.64 333.72 67.2 Total 1403S.26 29350.46 109.1 Total Plan Outlay 97500.00 180000.00 84.6 [Translation) S. No. Name of the oceanl Number 'Of Sea/bay beloning to Uninhabited Development of Uninbabited Islands of India islands India 569. DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the 1. Is lands in the Minister Colf HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Arabian Sea 98 state : 2. Islands in the Bay of (a) number of islands having no human Bengal 52 population in each Ocean sea bay belongina to India; and (b) Most of the uninhabited islands are (b) the number of sucb islands among either too small in area or isolated/group of rocks and at times aet submerged during them where development is possible and the higbwaters. In such IsJands there il scope progress made so far in tbis respect ? no for development. However, in some or the THE MINISTE:R OF STATE IN THE islands, coconut cultivation/affere&tation DEPARTMEN1' OF INTERNAL bave been taken up. Some of the SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : uninhabited islands arc beiDg utilised for The number of islands baving no human extrattion of timber and promotion of population according to 1981 census arc tourism. Tamil Nadu Govt. have taken a given below :- decision to constitute a Marino National FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Park comprising of 21 small islands in the (a) the total amount earmarked for Gulf of Mannar. A F;sheries workshop Orissa State for the Sixth Five Year Plan is under construction at Suheli. an period; uninhabited island in Lakshadweep, West Bengal Government is developing two (b) whether the entire plan fund islands, namely, LOTHIAN and HALLIDAY allocated for Orissa in the Sixth Plan wa~ as wild life qanctuaries and two other islands ful1y utilised; and namely, DALHOUSTE and BHANGA- ROUNI are being managed as tiger reserves. (c) if not, bow much amount could not be utilised ? [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. Curb on ActivitiE'S of Extremists in U K. PANJA) : (a) and (b). The Sixth Five Year Plan of Orissa was approved at Rs. lSOO 8gain~t which the expenditure 570. SHRI B. V. DESAI: crOTes SHRI T. BASHEER : has amounted to Rs. 1565.21 crores exceeding SHRI MANIK REDDY: the approved outlay by Rs. 6S.21 crores. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: (c) Does not arise. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : Will the Minider of EXTERN AL Amount released for Projects In OrIssa AFF AIRS be pleased to state: under Seventh Fhe Year Plan (a) whether India has approached 572. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will British authorft;ts to take strm mea~ures to the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to eurb the reported activities of extremists and state : .. allo take aetion 8srainst the culDrit~ , indulging in sending threatt-ning letters and (a) what is the amount proposed to be those found rec;f)Onsible for the murder of released for different projects in Orissa Shri Tarsem S1ngh Toor: and under the Seventh Five Year Plan period; and (b) if so, tbe response of the British (b) tbe proposal~ which are proposed to Government and the steps ta ken by them ? be taken up durin~ the first year of Seventh Plan period in the Orissa State? mE M1NTSTFR OF STATE 1N mE MINTSTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFA1RS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN): (a) Yes, MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. K. Sir. PANJA) = (a) and (b). In many Sectors. the Five Year Plan outlays are generally (a) The activities of the extremists approved sectorwise. 10 some sectors, e.g. continue inabated. Power and Irrigation, outlays are approved project·wise also for the Five Year Plan period as well as for Annual Plans. The Total Amounts for Orissa for the Sixth enclosed Statement indicates the approved Five Year Plan outlays under certain projects in Irrigation and power sectors for the Seventh Five Year 571. SHRI CH1NTAMANI Plan period (1985.90) as well 8S for the PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of Annual Plan 1985-86 (the first year of the PLANNING be plea6ed to state r Seventh Plan) in tbe ease of Orissa. PBALGUNA 7,1907 (SAKA) Statement (Rs. Lakhs) ------, ------Projects Seventh Plan Annual Plan Approved 1985-86 Approved Outlay Outlay Irrigation Projects 1. Upper Indravati Dam 7000 100 2. Upper Indravati Irrigation 1050 250 3. Mahanadi Birupa Berrage 6073 2000 4. Subarnarekha Project 11000 1000 s. Rengali Dam 194 150 6. Rengali Irrigation 5000 400 7. Upper Kolab-Dam 1354 600 8. Upper Kolab-Irrigation 1950 100 9. Medium Irrigation Projects Phase-II 15032 3700 (18 Nos.) Power Projects 1. Talcher Thermal Power Station Extn. 100 100 2. Rengali 756 700 3. Upper Kolab 4400 1900 4. Upper Indravati 30000 3000 5. Birakud H)dro-electric Project stage-III 1581 1200 [Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMELT OF DEFENCB Self Reliao'Ce in Production of Defence PRODUCTION AND DEFENCE Items SUPPLIES (SHRI SUK.H RAM): (a) 573. PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI The main objective of the D~partment SHAKTAW AT: Will the Minister of of Defence Supplies set up in 1965 DEFENCE be pleased to state: (now merged with the Department of Defence Production and Supplies) is (a) what steps are being taken by development of indigenous sources for tho Government to achieve self reliance in production of Defence stores. Technical production of defence items; and Committees have been set up beaded by T~hnical Directors, who are responsible for (b) whether any time bound programme identification of item~ to be indigenised. has been drawn up for this purpose and if indentification of sources, supervision duriDl 10. tho OUUiDO tboroof 1 prodQOtiOll ad toolulical pidaDQC Ito. Further, a two tier mechanism consisting of (b) if so tbe reaction of Government an Appex Body and different Functional of India about the attitude of British Govern- Groups, has been consituted in 1985 for ment about the posting of drug agents by continuous inter-action with the Industry. U.K. in India; (c) whether Government have taken up (b) Indisenous production of Defence. the matter of sucb an accusation by Govern .. stores and equipments is an on-going process ment at the highest level; Decisions in tbis resard are taken on strategic and security considerations keeping (d) if so, the details thereof; and in vive tbe long terms requirements of the Services. (e) the extent to which such an attitude of British Government will have an adverse [EllgiJShl affect on bilateral relations? Step. to Re'famp Administration THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 574. SHRI ANAND SINGH : Will (SHRI K. R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Yes Sir. the PRIME MINIS1ER be pleaeed to state: (b) The request of the U.K. Government is under consideration of Government. (a) whether Government have taken any decision to revamp tbe administration at (c) Government is not aware of any different levels; and accusation by tbe U.K. Government. (b) if so, details thereof? (d) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM) (a) and (b). Incidents of Firing on Indo-Pak Borders Ministires!Departments have undertaken a review of administrative organisations, 576. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR procedures and practices for reducing delays, TRIPATHI: enforcing accountability, decentralising the SHRI AKHTAR HASAN : decjsjon-making processes, simpUfying rules DR. G. S. RAJHANS : and procedures and training of employees at SHRI V. TULSI RAM: various levels. Steps have been taken in this direction. Since administrative reforms is a continuous process, the review will be Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be an oo·goina exercise. pleased to state : (a) whether it is a fact that there have PodlDI of Draa Agents by U.K. In India been incidents of firing on the Indo-Pak border durin& tbe last two months; 515. SHRI V. TULSI RAM : SHRI C. P. THAKUR : (b) if so, tbe number of times incidents of firma took place durina tbe aforesaid WiD the Minister of EXTERNAL period; AFFAIllS be pleased to state: (c) the Dumber of Indian Jawaos killed (a) whether Government have seen a in the firina; news-item captioned "Indo-UK row on CQltoms deopius" appeared in tbe Times 01 (d) whether Government bave taken India dated tbe 4 February, 1986 reprdina any retaliatory action apinst this; and poatina of ofBccn of U.K. in India to deal ,rUb IlIJQ)tiQ; (~) if Dot the 1'OII0IlI therefor 1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether it is a fact that Pakistani DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE troops started firilll in the PooDch Sector IlESBARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI on 27 January, 1986 onwards; ARUN SINGH) : (a) to (c). Tbere have been some cases of exchange of fire between (b) if so, whether there were number of Pakistani aod Indian troops across tbe Line Pakistani firing on the Indian Posts in 'of Control in Jammu and Kashmir during Pooncb Sector from middle of December, the last two months resulting in some 1985 to January, 1986; casualties on both sides. It would not be desirable to disclose' details. (c) total number of firings, the reasons tbereof and the casualty suffered by both (d) and (e) Matters relating to such sides; and incidents are sought to be resolved at flag meetings at the local CODlmanders' level. (d) the steps being taken for stoppina of firins by Pakistani on Indian posts ? Ban of Philips Trade Mark on T.V. 577. PROF. NIRMALA KUMAR! THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHAKTAWAT : WJlI the PRIME DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE RE- MINISTER oe pleased to state : SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ARUN SINGH) : (a) to (c). There have (a) whether Philips trade mark is being been some cases of unprovoked firiDS by banned in near future; Pakistani troops on our posts in the Poonch Sector in Jammu and Kashmir durio. (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and December, lS85 and January, 1986. There (c) whether the Philips T.V. is not have been no casualties on our side. legally marked ? Casualties on the Pakistani side are not known. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) Flag meetings at the local Com- MINISTRY OF S~IENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- manders' level are held, as also contacts at MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENTS, higher levels are made to defuse the ATOMIC ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND situation as and when the need arises. SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) to (c). As per Government's Industrial Outcome of Talks with Pakistan on and Licensing Policy for Television Clashes in Siacbeo Glacier Receiver sets, use of foregin brand names is not permitted in the manufacture and sale of T.V. sets. The Department of Electronics 579. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI : had received representations about MIs SHRI B. V. DESAI : Pieco Electronics and Electricals Limited SHRI AKHTAR HASAN : marketing TV sets with Philips brand name. SHRI P. NAMGYAL: This question was taken up with MIs Peico DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Electronics and Electricals Ltd.. who have SHR) K. PRADHANI : recently written to the Department of DR. B. L. SHAlLESH : Electronics tbat they have decided, with immediate effect, to withdraw the use of Will the Minister of DEFENCE be Philips as brand name on TV receivers. - pleased to state : FlriD. bl Pakistani Troops In (a) the outcome of the talk between POODch Sector the representative of India and Pakistan to end the border clasbes in the Siacbcn 578. SHRJ B. V. DESAI : Glacier area and olher areas; SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI : (b) when the next round of talks will be WdJ the Minister of DEFENCE be held to sort out this issue in terms of tho plouocl to Ita\O : Simla aaroemoDti FEBRUARY 26.1986 (c) tbe extent of casualities as a result of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tbe border dashes during the last three DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC· months; and TION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI SUKH RAM): (a) The system of Post-Lab (d) the reasons for prolonged dispute in Test (PL T) is prevalent in inspected of these areas ? paints for Defence. However, all supplies are subjected to laboratory tests after THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE despatch of the stores. This facility enables DEPARTMENT OF DFFENCE RE- the supplier to despatch the stores to the SEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (SHRI consignee without waiting for the test results, ARUN SINGH) ; (a) and (b). In the recent on the guarantee that they would give free talks between the Defence Secretaries of rep1acement if the stores is not found upto India and Paki~tan, which pertained to the the standard. situation in the Siachen Glacier only, both sides explanied their respecti ve positions and (b) Mis Nagrath Paints was the only agreed to meet again at a mutally convenient firm in Uttar Pradesh who were Qualified in date. 1985 to come under the system of Post Lab Test for purchase of paints. (c) During the !ast 3 months there have been some casulties on both sides in firing (c) and (d). Since grant of Post-Lab incidents in the Siachen Glacier area and Test facility to Mis Nagrath Paints in 1985, across the Line of Control in J and K tbis firm has suppled over 7 lakhs litres of between the Indian and Pakistani troops. paints of various types on PLT basis and (d) Pakistan is in illegal occupation of the laboratory tests confirmed their quality. a part of the territory of the Indian state of Only in two recent (31-1-86) consignments Jammu and Kashmir and, of late, has also amounting to 12,280 litres of a particular been laying claims, wIthout any basis, to the paint, there were some deficiencies. These Siachen Glacier area, wbich is an integral are being examined. part of India. [English] [Trans/ation] Mizo-Problem Purchase of Paints without Checking its Quality 581. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 580. SHRI NIRMAL KHATTRI SHRI YASHWANRAO Will tbe Minister of DEFENCE be pleased GADAKH PATIL : to state: SHRI K. PRADHAN[ : (a) whether the system of "Post Lab Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Test" has been introduced for purchase of be pleased to state : paint in the departments connected with the Defence Ministry, under which paint is purchased witbout checking its quatity; (a) whether an agreement with the Mizo-National Front (MNF) for the (b) the names of the firms (situated in settlement of the Mizo-problem has not been Uttar Pradesh) from where the goods were reached so far; and purchased under this system during the last three years; (b) if so, the details and reasons therefor? (c) whether test reports of the goods supplied by these firms before and after the introduction of this system have been THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI S. B. CHAVAN) : (a) analysed; and and (b). Talks with the Mizo National (d) if so. the fiodiolS thereof ? FroDt are stiU cootinuinl. PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Written An'wers 238 Obse"anre of Fire Protertion Role In (Translation] Higb-Rise Buildings Barning/Suicide Cases of Women in Delhi 582. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- and Other Parts of the Coontry GRAHl: SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN 583. SHRIMATI PATFL RAMABEN DEV: RAMJTBHAT MAVANI : Will the Minister PROF. K. V. THOMAS: of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (a) the number of cases of burning of women and suicide by women in Delhi and various parte; of the country during the (a) whether Government propose to oeriod frnm 1 June, 198~ to 10 February. introduce measures to enhance the penalty 1986 which have been reported to the "olice for not ohserving safety rules in high-rise a nd have come to the notice of the buildinJ!s in view of the recent fire-accident Government: and at Siddartha Continental Hotel in Delhi recently; (b) the measures taken to minimise the (b) whether it is al~o a fact that even number of such incidents? Government buildings have been found lackin2 in fire-protection services becau~e of THE MINISTER OF STATE TN THE alleged connivance betw~en private cont- DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SE- ractors and Government engineers; CURTTY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) The suhiect 'Public Order' and 'Police' are (c) if so. the measures Government in the State Hst of the VIIth Schedule of propose to take, or have already taken to the Constitution. It is. therefore. con~titu ensure the observance of safety rules in high- tionallv the responsibility of the State ric;e buildings both Government as well as Government to enforce law Telatinsr to private; and offences. However. 16 case~ of deaths by bumin2 of women due to dowry or suicides (d) if not, the justification thereof? committed bv them have been re1'Orted 1n Delhi durin2 the period from June, 1985 to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE January, lQ86. DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECURITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU) : (a) (b) The Criminal Law (Amendment) Act. Yes, Sir. 1983 (43 of 1983) and the Criminal Law (Seconrl Amendment) Act. 1983 (b) Some Governmrnt huildings may (46 of 1Q83) have amended the Indian be lacking in fire protection measures; but Penal Code. the Code of Criminal Procedure no case of alleged connivance between the 19'73 and the Indian Evidence Act, 1872 to private contractors and Government deal effectively with the cases of dowrY engineers bas come to notice so far. deaths and those of crue1ty to married (c) The Fire Advisory Committee of women. The Dowarv Prohibition (Amend- experts coustituted by Delhi Administration ment) Act. 1984 (No. 63 of 1984) made has a1ready been directed to inspect all the the offences under the Dowry Prohihition high.rise buildings in Delhi for assessing the Act. 1961. as c01Znizahle. non-bailable and existing fire safey arrangements and also for non-cnmpoundable. Enhanced punishment recommendin~ its further augmentation in a has been provide!i for demanding dowry time bound manner. Legislation is under and for giving or taking dowary. consideration which will enable Government to strictly enforce fire prevention and fire 2. The following instructions bave been safety measures. issued to all tho State Governments and Union Territorty Administrations to deal (4) Dota not arl... with the Dowry Death ~ : FEBRUARY 26, 19"86 Railway iJudget, 1986-87 240 (i) Serious notice should be taken hy SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir. the Police of all cases of attempted whole country is ... suicide or death in suspicious circumstances of young married MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. women during the first ten years of their marriage. (Interruptions)· (ii) Such cases should be investigated MR. SPEAKER : Not allowed. by officers not below the rank of Deputy Superintendent of (Interruptlons)* Police. MR. SPEAKER : Nothing goes on (iii) Where postmortem is done such record. post-mortem should be done by a (interruptions)'" team of two doctors. MR. SPEAKER : what is the fun ? (iv) Disposal of dead-body without Do you get any satisfaction ? (Inter .. postmortem should not be permitted rupfions)* except with no objection certifica te from tbe police. (v) Police should not give no objection 12 01 hrs. certificate unless dead -body h'\s been seen by parents or guaidians or other close relatives from the RAILWAY BUDGET, 1986-87 bride's side of the family. [English] MR. SPEAKER The Minister of [EnglishJ Transport. 12.00 hrs. THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT (SHRI BANSI LAL): rose ... SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Today the whole country is observing a Bharat (Interruptions ). Bandh. (Interruptions)· THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT MR. SPEAKER: I have not a110wed (SHRI BANSI LAL): I rise to present tbe him. Revised Estimates for 1985-86 .. . (Interrup- tlon) and the Budget Estimates for 1986-8,7 SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Sir, I of the Indian Railways. want to ... (Interrpution) Let me briefly refer to the performance MR. SPEAKER. We have just had a during the previous year. discussion on the same subject. We are again going to have a discussion. (Interruptions)* (lnterrputions)· [Translati on 1 MR. SPEAKER : You are a very bonourabie and learned Member of the SHR1 MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI House. KHAN: This Budget bas leaked out. 1 (Interruptions)· have with me a copy of paper pertaining to the Railway Budget. MR. SPEAKER : We have already (InterruptioM) discussed tbis subject. *Not recorded. 241 Railway Budget, 1986.87 PHALGUNA 7. 1907 (SAKA) Railway Budget, 1986·87 242 [English] which had affected the Railways' performance like shortfalls in traffic offering and disturbed MR. SPEAKER : Do not hand it over civil conditions in some areas. In spite of here. This is not the proper way. Shri these factors, the Railways were able to Mahfooz Ali Kbanji, do you realise what clear about 236 million tonnec; of revenue you are doing? Go to your seat. Do not earning traffic, compared to 230 mi11ion hand it to me. tonnes in 1983-84. The year ended with a net revenue of Rs. 270.10 crOres as against ( Interruptions)* Rs. 209 crores anticipated. MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. 3. Performance in the current year 1985·86. We started this financial year soon 12.03 brs. after the new Government took over. The leadersbip of our Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv (Shri Basudeb Acharia and some Gandhi evoked a new enthusia~m and zest other bon. Members then throughout the length and breadth of our left the House) country. Railwaymen too, felt inspired and (Interruptions)· put their shoulder to the task with an added sense of dedication and purpose. The MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. results are there for all to see. There has been a quantum jump in the traffic cleared PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Sir, by the Railways in spite of our wagon fleet we heve not been able to hear the hon. Mini- remaining more or less the same. The leading ster. Kindly ask him to read it again. Efficiency Innicator, the Net Tonne Kilo- metres per Wagon per Day has broken all MR. SPEAKER : All right. Bansi previous records. All Railway Production LaJji- Units in the country have either achieved or exceeded their targets. Track renewals [T,.anslat ion] have touched a new high. A number of innovative passenger amenities have been -please read again. introduced in the areas of computerised reservation, railway catering and simplifi- [Engilsh] cation of refund rules. We are also confident of excellent financial results. with full SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY: I am on payment of dividend, and an enhanced a point of order. cJntribution to Depreciation Reserve Fund. We hope to earn a higher net surplus than MR. SPEAKER: I have already asked anticipated, in spite of absorbing all post- it is right. him to read again. Now all I budgetary increases in costs of inputs in the have asked him to read it again. There is additional earnings. This has been achieved, no point of order. I have called upon the amongst other things, due to strict financial Minister to read again. discipline. THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT 3.1. I am happy to inform the House (SHRI BANSI LAL) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, that although in the current year 1985-86 I rise to present the Revised Estimates there was a sharp increase of about 14 for 1985-86 and the Budget Estimates for million tonnes in the target set for clearance 1986-87 of the Indian Railways. of freight traffic by the Railways as compared to 1984-85, the freight loading 2. Performance in tbe previous year in the first 9 months of the current year 1984-85. Let me briefly refer to the perfor- bas been about 16 million tonnes more than mance during the previous years. As I had in the corresponding petiod of last 'Year indicated while presenting the Revised and 4 million toones above the target set Estimates for 1984-8S, there were several for this period in the current year. I am factors beyond the control of the Railways confident that the Railways will end the ·Not *orded. [Sbri Bansi Lal] 4. Passenger Services. In view of tbe year ahead of the target of 250 million limited overall allocation of resources to the tonnes for revenue earning originating Railways and the consequent'limlted avail.- tonnage and of 277 million tonnes for the bili ty of vehicles and locomotives toupled total originating tonnage (including Railways' with the priority reqaired to be given to own traffic of coal and other materia1). The safety·oriented rehabilitadon works like transport output as measured in Net Tonne track renewal and tbe works required for Kilometres in the tirst nine months of 1985- creation of additional capacity for freight 86 has increased by 14% over the corres- traffic. in the interests of the national ponding period of the previous year 1984-85. economy, it will be difficult for some more The Efficiency Indicator. Net Tonne Kilo- time, for the Railways to create any subs- metres per Wagon per Day (Broad Gauge) tantial additional capacity for movement of improved by 10.5% from 1,104 ;n April- passenger traffic. We have, however, already December I} 84 to 1,220 in April-December sanctioned a RS. 180 crores project for 1985, a newall-time record. setting up a new Rail Coach Factory at Kapurthala which will, in due course. 3.2. The Gross Traffi~ Receipts of the improve the availability of pac;senger coaches Railways during the year 1985-86 are of which there is great shortage at present. expected to go above the budgeted level by about Rs. 188 crores. The Working Expenses 4.1. Novertheless, several efforts have are likely 10 go up by Rs. 178 crores over been made to improve the passenger services the budgeted level largely on account of through rationalisation of links, reduction post-budgetary factors such as payment of in lie-over periods and better time-tabling. second instalment of interim relief, higher For examp]e, the timings of Tamil Nadu cost of diesel and coal, revision in el{"ctricity Express have been rationalised so that the tariffs and payment of additional amounts passengers travening between New Delhi for Productivity Linked Bonus resulting and Madras now spend two nights and one from Government's decisions in regard to day, thus saving one fuJI working day on ceiling limits on salary and coverage. the journey. About 350 trains have also been speeded up during the current year. 3.3. The Revised Estimates for the current year provide for a net surplus of Rs. 85 crores, a little above the budgeted 4.2. Major steps have been taken figure of Rs. 74 crores, after meeting the towards facilitating the booking and reser· fun dividend liability of Rs. 520 crores to vation arrangements so as to reduce, to the General Revenues. Apart from other the maximum extent possible, difficulties measures of expenditure control, strict of the passengers despite a situation of economy in man-power employment was shortage. Computerisation of raih' ~ys exercised. DUring the year 1985-86, by reservation arrangements has been taken better management, the Traffic Output, that up in a big way_ Beginntng with New Delhi, is, Freight Tonne Kilometres plus Passenger 2nd class reservations on 30 train sand AC Kilometres, per employee is expected to Sleeper and Chairs Car reservations on the increase to 2.66 lakhs Traffic Units as two Rajdhani Expresses bave already been compared to 2.S5 lakhs Traffic Units in put on the computer, and by March this 1984·85. year, we hope to complete the coml'uteri- safion of reservation arrangements in respect 3.4. The annual plan outlay for the of almost all trains originating from New Railways during the current year is Rs. 2,050 Delhi. Plans have also been drawn up for crores comprising Rs. 1,061 crores (52 %) a phase-wise introduction of computerised as contribution by Railways from their own passenger reservation in other Metropolitan internal resources and Rs. 989 crores (48%) cities during tbe Seventh Plan Period, with as budgetary support. We expect to maintain arrangements at Calcutta and Bombay beiDI our contribution at this high level. The taken up in 1986·87 and Madras a year contribution to Depreciation Re~erve Fund later. is also expected to be at Rs. 920 crores as provided in the Budget Estimates as against 4.3. To minimise the evil of tickctless Rs. sse crores in 1984·85. travel, ti~ket·cbeckinB activity bas been inteQsified by conducting special massive camps etc., to continuously keep the safety 9becks, incognito checks and consciousness amongst the staff at a high concentrated su~prise checks. In level. At the same J time we are trying to the, firs.t seven months of the current yeaL, reduce the role of the human element by tbe Railways nabbed, on an average, four greater mecbanisation and provision of lakh pas~engers per montb who were safety devices like track circuitin~ axle travelling without tickets or witb improper counters, greater and more sophisticated tickets, an increase of 14.2% over last year. inter-l<;lCking arrangements, especially at Educative p(opaganda against ticket less level crossings' ultrasonic testing of rails, travel is also being carried out among tbe Auxiliary Warning System which includes travelling public to seek their cooperation the provision for stoppage of trains passing in effectively combating this national signals at danger. These measures are being menace. undertaken by us on a programmed basis with high priority being a~corded in the 4.4. I .had been receiving a large number allocation of resources. of r.. presentations about the irksome proce- dure for refund of unused or partially used 6. Investment PlaDuing. The Seventh tickets. We have simplified the rules so as Five Year Plan provides an outlay of abOut to facilitate quick refunds of unused tickets Rs. 12,334 crores for the Railways. The at the station itself. Now, refund on return plan envisages more than 50% of the journey tickets can be arranged at both resources being generated internally by the enc! s and partially used reserved tickets can Railways, against an average of about 42% be refunded by the station staff. in the Sixth Plan. During the plkn it is programmed to procure 96,000 wagons, 6,970 4.5. The supply of hot and hygienic passenger coaches, 950 Electrical Multiple meals in disposable aluminium casseroles, Units and 1,235 diesel/electric loccmotives, introduced this year, has proved popular undertake approximately 20,000 kilometres with the passengers and the service is being of track renewal, and electrify 3,400 route closely monitored. kilometres. 4.6. Punctuality of trains continues to 6.1. The initial annual plan outlay of receive my special attention. The punctua- Rs. 1.650 crotes fot the CUIIent year was lity of over 200 mail/express trains is being highly inadequate and the need for iucreas- monitored rouod tbe clock by a special cell ing the allocation for the Railways was in the Railway Board. With the recent recognised. The House win recall that in enhancement of penalties for unauthorised Decemb~r, 1985 a Supplementary Grant alarm-chain pulling and hose-pipe discon- was voted by them taking the total plan nection, along with our sustained efforts and outlay for the Railways dUl ing 1985-86 to the cooperation rendered by the State Rs. 2,050 crores. I would like to take this Governments, there has been some drop opportunity to express my gratitude to the in such incidents. Honourable Members of Purliament from aU parts of the country, for the whole- 5. Safety. The safe transit of passengers hearted support given by them to greater and loods continues to be a matter of great allocation of resources to the Indian priority on the Railways. I am happy to Railways. inform the House that the nttmber of train accidents declined from 592 between April 6.2. The Railways have been allocated and D~cember 1984 to 576 during the same a plan outlay of Rs. 2,650 crores in t 986· 87. period in the current year d~spite an increase Of this, Rs. 1,370 crores will be met by in train kilol\lctres from 362 millions to the Railways from their internal resource • 381 millions. generation, It is also contemplated to raise Rs. 250 croTes through publ ic borrowings. 5.1. It is OUf ondeavour to improve the , quality of, the ,buman element through 6.3. During the ensuing year, the various _measures including training, programme for acquisition of new wagons "" OODHlliD&. publicit)'. ItO\lp w.cllSSions. safet)' is proposed to be stepped up to 20,000 {o\,lr- , , 24' kai/woy Budget, 1986-87 FEBRUAR.y 26, 1986 llallway Budget, 1986-8; ~4a [Shri Bansi Lal] 10.1. The 'Integral Coach Factory is wheeler units as against about 12,500 four- expected to produce 825 coaches during the wheeler units in 1985-86. This will enable current year and the production is proposed us to enhance the carrying capacity of the to be stepped up to 850 coacbes in 1986- system to meet the growing traffic. Emphasis 87. will continue to be placed on renewal and ) 0.2. The Chittaranjan Locomotive replacement of th,e over·aged assets, for Works is expected to produce 79 locos for which I propose to allocate Rs. 1,250 crores Railways during the current year, including next year compan'd to about Rs. 970 crores 52 electric locomotives. The programme in the current year. for 1986-87 envisages an out-turn of 106 7. New lines. The New Lines completed locomotives including 70 electric during tbe current year are: locomotives. 1. Tirunelveli-Milavittan, 53 kms., and 10.3. The Diesel Locomotive Work is expected to turn out 120 locomotives for 2. Koraput-Machiliguda, 20 kms. Railways in the current year. In the ensuing year the target is 135 locomotives. Besides, 10.4. The Wheel and Axle Plant, 1. Dharmanagar· Pechartal, 22 kms., commissioned in September 1984 has been and making commendable progress. In tbe year 2. Nagothana-Roha, 15 kms. 1985-86, it is expected to produce 10,000 are likely to be completed shortly. wheel sets and in 1986-87 it is expected to reach a production level of about 20,000 7.1. 62 kilometres of New Lines are wheel sets. expected to be completed during 1986-87, including the Motumari-Jaggayyapet line. 10.5. As the House are aware, Phase I 8. Railway Electrification. Electrification of Diesel Component Works at Patiala was of about 430 route kilometres is likely to included in the Railway Budget for the year be completed during the current year. About 1980-81. Phase II of this project has been 730 route kilometres are expected to be sanctioned as an out-of-turn work during the current year at an estimated cost of Rs. energised in 1986-87 . 46 crores. 9. Seneys. There were 32 on-going surveys for construction of new lines in 10.6. The foundation stone for the new progess as on April 1, 1986. During 1985- Rail Coach Factory at Kapurtbala was laid 86 one of the important surveys approved by the Honourable Prime Minister on relates to up-dating and final location survey August 17, 1985. ThIS factory will have a of sections on West Coast Line between capacity to manufacture 1,000 coaches per Madgaon and Roha. The Survey from year. We have been given a challenging Mangalore to Udupi has been completed. target of two years to complete this project Further survey beyond Udupi towards and we hope to achieve this. The factory Madgaon from the southern end and from is targeted to enter the initial stream of Roha towards Madgaon from the northern production within two years of the acquisi- end is in progress. Another important survey tion of land, that is by March, 1988. proposed to be included in 1986-87 is for developing high -speed corridors between 11. Calcutta Metro Rail Project. As the New Delhi and Agra, and between New House are aware, two parts of the Metro Delhi and Kanpur. Railway at Calcatta, that is the section from Esplanade to Bhowanipur (3.5 Kms) and 10. Production Units. I am happy to the section between Dum Dum and BeJgachia inform the House that as a reSult of (2.2 Kms) were opened for traffic during sustained efforts the out-turn of all the 1984-85. It is proposed to extend the service Production Units on Indian Railways during towards South up to Tollyganj in early 1986 the current year is eitner up to or above thereby opening a continuous length of the tar&ets set. 7.7 Kms between Esplanade and ToJ1Ylanj. ~49 kaiJway Sudler, 1996-87 PltALOUNA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Railway Budget, 19~6-8' 2~d 12. International Container Traffic. The were also held at various levels to provide container traffic on Indian Railways showed opportunity for labour participation in a dramatic increase in the current year, with management and decision making. nearly 15,000 TEUs handled during the first nine months as against only about 7,000 15.1. With a view to improving the TEUs in the corresponding period last year. promotional prospects of the employees, The Indian Railways now operate six Inland cadre reviews were continued. About 1.8 Container Depots including the latest lakh employees of various categories have addition at Aminga('n which was commis- been benefited during the current year. sioned on 14th November, 1985. Productivity Linked Bonus equal to 33 days' • wages was paid to the employees in 1985-86. 12.1. In view of the fast developing container traffic, particularly at Bangalrre 15.2. The Railways have an excellent and New Delhi, it has been decided to network of 107 hospitals and 623 health establish full-fledged Inland Container units to look after the health of railway Depots at Whitefield and Tughlakabad. The employees and their families. The Railways feasibility of setting up similar Depots at are progressively introducing in their other centres is being explored. hospitals the latest and the most advanced equipment for better diagnosis and treatment. 13. Technology improvements. It is our Family welfare programme on tbe Indian endeavour to modernise the equipment as Railways is implemented through 62 Family well as the operational practices and in this Welfare Centres and 38 sub-centres. context we have initiated action in several Sustained and untiring efforts are being directions. These include (a) new design of made to improve tbe programme further. freight bodies; (b) high-speed light-weight coaches with latest features in suspension, 15.3. The Railways constructed aboul braking, corrosion prevention and passenger 5,000 staff quarters in 1934-85, thereby comforts; (c) thyristor chopper control increasing the total number of staff quarters equipment on Electrical Multiple Units on the Indian Railways to over 6 lakhs. In (d) high horse, power diesel and electric 1985-86 another 5,000 staff quarters are locomotives; (e) digital radio equipment and expected to be completed. fibre optic cables; (f) heavier rail sections with concrete sleepers, elastic fastenings and 15.4. The commendable performance of continuous/long welding of rails; and the Railways during the current year would tg) micro-processor based track monitoring. not have been achieved but for the whole- hearted cooperation and a sense of dedi- 14. ComputerisatioD. Apart from the cation displayed by all my railwaymen to computerised passenger reservation systems whom I am greatly indebted. In recognition being introduced in Metropolitan cities, the of this performance and as a token of House are aware that an ambitious plan for appreciation. I propose to provide a special computerisatioD of freIght operations has step-up in the allocation for the plan head been taken up at l.n estimated cost of Rs. "Staff Quarters" from Rs. 13 crores in 1985- 520 crores. International experience has 86 to Rs. 25 crores in 1986-87, and in the shown that the indroduction of such systems plan head "Staff Amenities" from Rs. 9 enables substantial improvement in wagon crores in 1985-86 to Rs. 17 crores in 1986- productivity. Steps are being taken to imple- 87. These represent an increase of nearly ment the system ahead of the target date 100%, although the overall outlay for ~ the of December, 1993. Railways in 1986-87 as compared to 1985-86 is only 29% bigher. 15. Staft" matters. The industrial relations on the Railways continued to remain cordial 16. Sports. Railways continued to give and harmoniou~. Regular meetings were excellent performance in the field of sports, held with tbe organised labour under the both at home and abroad. In the World Permanent Negotiating Machinery and Joint Railways Athletic Meet in Czechoslovakia Consultative Machinery schemes. Regular in 1985, an Indian Railway Athlete was mectinas of tbe Corporate Enterprise Groups declared tbe Best Athlete of tbe Meet. In the fSBRVARY 26. '1986 RtIIlway BlIdget, 1986.87 2~2 IShri Bansi Lal] growth of 4% to 5'Ka in suburban and non- Commonwealth W~ight Lifting Champion- suburban pa()senger traffic is also cnvis,ged ship in Western Samao, the Railway Weight during tbe Budget Year. Lifters bagged 7 out of the 9 medals won 20.1. The Gross Traffic Receipts the by the Indian Team. at existing level of fares and freigbt rates for 17. Afforestation. Indian Railways have the Budget Year are estimated at Rs. 6.743 been contributing their mite to tbe national crores. These receipts are higher than those efforts to improve the ecologi~al and en "iron- anticipated for the current year by Rs. 404 mental balance of the country through crcres. plantation of trees. In pursuance of this Plan, the R'lilways have planted 52 lakh 20.2. The Ordinary Working Expenses trees in 1982, 107 lakhs in 1983, 132 lakhs are estimated at R~. 4,700 cr.ores for the year in 1984 and 145 lakhs in 1985. In 1986-87, 1986-87, an increase of Rs. 87 crores over we propose to plant about 163 lakb trees. the revised estimates for the current year, to 18. Re-enactment of Indian Railways provide, among other factors, for expendi- ture arising out of increased activity in Act. From time to time, Hon'bJe Ml!mbers carrying more traffic. Wo hope to restrict have pointed out the need for a comprehen- tbe increase in Working Expenses to the sive review and revision of Indian Railways bare minimum through determined efforts Act, 1890. I am happy to inform the House which the Railways will be making in that this review has been alrnost completed achieving further economies and in and a Bill for re-ena:tment of Indian enhancing the productivity of the s,Y.stem Railways Act will shortly be introduc.:d in through effi;ient management of lllanpllWer the House. and otber resources. 19. Public Sector Undertakings. The two Public Sector Undertakings under the 20 3. It is propJsed to step-up the administrative control of the D~partmeot of contnbutioa to D.=preeiation Reserve Fund Railways, namelY7 Rail India Technical and from Rs. 920 crores in 1985-86 to Rs. 1,250 Economic Services Limited (RITES) and the in 1986-87. The additional funds tbus made Indian Railway Construction Company available for renewals aDd replacements will Limited (lRCON) continue to maintain an enable a faster clearance of the backlog of impressive record of turn over and profita- ar rears of track renewal, signalling and bility. RITES earned a profit of Rs. 5.6 telecommunication equipment, overaged crores before tax and a net foreign exchange roiling stock and contribute tOlrVards safer of Rs. 7.06 crores during 1984-85. IRCON and faster running of trains. achieved a turn over of Rs. t 98.4 crores in 1984-85 and has recorded profits for the 20.4. Th~ Railway Convention eighth year in succession, the profit before COillmittee, 1985, bav~ co::nmenced their tax b.!ing R~. 20 55 crores. ThiS CompJoy deliJerations. Toe prOVISional recommenda- also earned for th: country a handiom~ tions of tile Go.nmlttee, placed before the amount of R~. 2-1-.9 crores in forei~n Parhament, ar~ under examLDatioD. Mean- exchanged. D..1rtng the Yl!ar 1934·85, thiS while, proviSion for dividend has been made Complny completed the pre~tigious R~. 3'8 on tbe salU= rate as was adopted in the crates Samawa Railway Cllilstruction Project financial year 1985-86. Sucb cbanges as may in Iraq. be necessary in regard to dividend and other matters wiU be duly made when the final 20. Budget Estimates 1986-87. I shall recommendations of the Committee are now deal with the BJdget E'itimates for approved by the Parliament. 1986-87. The Railways are well poised to lift 294 mIllion tonnes of freigbt traffic 20.5. W ltb ,the ioctease in· Ordinar)' including 267 mlHioQ tooDes of r"venue Wt,)r~iDg Expenses, contributions to Depre- earning traffic. With an average Jead of ciation Reserve Fund, and to the Pension about 680 kilom~tres we hope to acbieve rF\1Qd. tbe total WOtkina Expenses and up to anotber milestone of 203 billion tonne Rs. 6,2l0 Clores, leaving a nct revenue of k.ilornetres of lOads traf& in 1986-87. A R,s_ S8) C(OrCi. Thi, ~lcvcl of DO\ revenuo 2~3 Railway Budget, 1986-87 PHALGUNA " t907«SAXd) Railway Budget, 1986-87 2~4 would not be sufficient to meet the dividend upto 250 Kms, but only by 5 per cent on liability of Rs. 590 crores and to finance distances beyond 250 Kms., subject to a works charpa'bte to Development Fund. minimum increase of Rupee one per ticket. A higher increase in the fares upto 250 kms. 20.6. I now come to the proposals for and, a lower increase beyonCl in Mail and revision in fares and freight. Express trains has been proposed on the consideration that as an integrated transport 21. Objectives. Our effort must be policy, the short distance passenger traffic th~ to ensure that resulrs of greater efficiency should normally move either by road or by and improved capacity utilisation are made ordinary trains leaving more room on fast truly meaningful in the national context. Mail and Express trains for long distance And this can only be achieved if the benefits passengers. We hope tbat this will some- of this oerformance are passed on in good what reduce the inconvenience experienced measure to the country and its economy. by them due to over-crowding. Under the constructive guidance of the Prime Minister. the Railways are determined 23.2. Second Class Sleeper Surcbage. to play their role in the national effort As far as SUI charge on Second Class Sleeper towards price ~tability. At tbe same time, berths is concerned, at present it is Rs. 10 it is also essential that we eadeavour to per journey irrespective of the distance or lessen the burden on the economically the number of nights involved. While the weaker sections of society who depend on same rate of Rs. 10 will continue upto U'J to provide them a relatively inexpensive a distance of 500 kms., I propose to raise it means of transport. It is this who pronged to Rs. ~ 15 per journey when tbe distance thrust which is uppermost in my mind; on is more tban 500 kms. the one hand to contribute to the national economic effort in terms of growth with price stability. and on the other. aIleviation 23 3. Upper Classes. As my thrust is of the burden of the common man through towards aHeviating the burden on the low reasonable passenger tariffs. income groups, and as Upper Class passen- gers have the capacity to pay a little more, 22. Freight Tariffs, Second Class I propose to raise the fares of Air Ordinary, Monthly Season Tickets. With Conditioned Chair Car, First Class, A. C. these two objectives in view, I am glad to Two Tier Sleeper and Air Conditioned First inform the House that I do not propose Class t by 12.5 per c~nt. The same rate to raise tariffs on the carriage of goods and of increase will apply to the special fares of parcels of any commodity whatsoever. The all classes in Rajdhani Express trains, which House would also be happy to know that provide a high speed inter-city service with with the low income groups and commuters better amenities and more travel comfort. in mind, 1 do not propose any raise in tbe fares of Second Class Ordinary or in that of Monthly Season Tickets. Hon'ble 23.4. Surcharge on A. C. Two Tier Members, this exempts about 90 per cent of Sleeper. In \lddition to the above, I propose the total number of passengers travelling on to raise the existing surcharge on A. C. Indian Railways from any increase in the Two Tier Sleeper as follows : fares. 23. Need for Additional Resources. For distances from 1 to 500 kms., by However, to make up the marginal shortfall Rs. 5, and to provide for works chargeable to the Development Fund, I propose to make a for distances from 501 to 1000 kms., modest increase in the passenger fares 00 by Rs. 10, Second Class Mail and Express only I and of Upper Classes, whicb win take effect from for distances from 1001 to 1500 kms., 1-4-1986. by Rs. 15; and 23.1. Second Class Mail and Express. Fares of Second Class MaiJ and for distances from 1501 kms. and Express will be increased by 7.5 per cent beyond. by Rs. 20. 2SS Railway Budget, 1986.87 FEBRUARY 26, 1986 2S6 [Shri Bansi La)] 12.41 hrs. 24. Additional Revenue. An these proposals taken together are likely to yield PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE additional revenue of Rs. 76 crores during 1986-87, which Hon'ble Members, amounts [Engihh] to only 1.2 per cent of the total earnings of the Indian Railways. Annual Report on the working of Pro- 25. Con('ession for Yo!!th. The House visions of secfion 15 A of the Protection may recall that in my last Budget Speech, of Civil Rights Act, 1955 I had given a concession to youth in Second Class during the International Year of the Youth, 1985. Eventhough the International THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Year of the Youth is formaBy over, I have MINISTRY OF WELFARE (DR. decided that during the next financial year RAJENDRA KUMARI BAJPAI) : I beg to also, concession of 25 per cent in passenger lay on the Table a copy of the Annual fares in Second Class be given to youth of Report (HindI and English versions) on the the age group of 13 to 31 years, on working of Provisions of section 15A of the satisfactory proof of age, while travelling in Protection of Civil Rights Act, 1955 for the groups of a minimum of ten, for distances year 1984, under sub-section (4) of section 15 A of the said act. over J000 kms. Thi s is to enable young people to see different parts of our vast [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1996/86] country and to strengthen in them the sense of national integration. 26. Future Cballenges. Hon'ble Mem- Annual Report and Review on tbe 'Working bers, the challeges in the ensuring year are of Children's Film Society, India, for going be more than ever before. We are 1984-85 and Statement for deJay in laying involved in an exercise which envisages rapid these papers development and modernisation. However, due to the constraint of resources, this exercise can only be achieved successfu1ly THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE through striving for even greater efficiency. MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND We seek your support, your understanding BROADCASTING (SHRI V. N. GADGIL) : and your encouragement, which will un- I beg to lay on the Table- doubtedly spur us on to overcome the stiff challenges, and achieve even greater heights. (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report I have great faith in the talents and in the (Hindi and English versions) ability of railwaymen, aDd I am confident of the Children's Film Society that they will prove equal to what the IndiaJor the example 1984-85 nation expects of them. along with Audited Accounts. 27. With these words, I now commend (in A statement (Hindi and to the House, the Railway Budget 1986-87. English versions) regarding (Interrupt ions) Review by the Government on the working of the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU Chi1d~en's Film Society. India, (Gopichettipalayam) : Sir, the Minister is for the year 1984-85. not allotting more funds for the Karur- Dingdigul line. He has allotted only (2) A statement (Hindi and English Rs. 3 crores. It is a meagre amount. versions) showing reasons for delay (Interruption) in laying the papers mentioned at MR. SPEAKER: Now, Papers to be (1) above. laid. (Placed In Library. See No. LT-IW7/86) 257 Pape, J Laid PHALGUNA 7, 1901 (SAKA) Pape" Laid 258 Annual Report, Annoal Account and Review I beg to lay on the Table tbe following in the Working qf Indian Statistical staten1ents (Hindi and English versions) Institate, Calcutta, for the year 1984·85 and statement for delay in laying tbese showing the action taken by the Government Papers on various assurances, promises and under- takings given by the Ministers during the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE various sessions of Lok Sabha : MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI A. N. (1) Statement No. XXIV-Eighth PANJA) : I beg to lay on the Table- Session, 1982. [Placed in Library, See No. (1) (i) copy of the Annual Report A LT.. 2000/86]. (Hindi and English versions) (2) Statement No. XVIII-Ninth of the Indian Statistical Insti- Session, 1982. tute, Calcutta, for the year [Placed in Library. See No. 1984·85. LT.. 2001/86]. (ii) A copy of the Annual (3) Statement No. XVIII-Eleventh Accounts (Hindi and English Session, 1983. , versions) of the Indian Statis- [Placed in Library. See No. tical Institute, Calcutta, for LT.. 2002/86 J. the year 1984-85 together (4) Statement No. XIV-Twelfth Seventh with Audit Report thereon. Session, 1983. ILok [Placed in Library. See No. !'Sabba (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi LT-2003j86] . I and English versions) by the (5) Statement No. XIII-Four- I Government on the work ing teenth Session, 1984. of the Indian Statistical Insti- [Placed in Library. See No. tute, Calcutta for the year LT -2004/86]. 1984-85. (6) Statement No. IX-Fifteenth I Session 1984. ! (2) A statement (Hindi and English [Placed in Library. See No. I versions) showing reasons for delay LT-2005/86]. : I in laying the papers mentioned at (7) Statement No. VI-First I (l) above. Session, 1985. \ [Placed in Library. See No. (Placed in Library. See No. \ LT-1998/86] L T -2006/86]. Citizenship (Amendment) Rules, 1986 (8) Statement No. VI-Second Eighth Session, 1985. I Lok THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE [Placed in Library. See No. I Sabha DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL SECU- LT-2007 j86]. RITY (SHRI ARUN NEHRU)! I beg to (9) Statement No. III-Third lay on the Table a copy of the Citizenship Session, 1985. (Amendment) Rules. 1986 (Hindi and English [PJaced in Library. See No. versions) publisbed in Notification No. L T -200B/86J. G.S.R. 25 (E) in Gazette of India dated the (10) Statement No. II-Fourth 15th January, 1986 under sub-section (4) of Session, 1985. section 18 of the Citizen"ship Act, 1985. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-2009/86J. [P'aced in Library. See No LT-l999/86] Appellate TribuDal for Forfeited Property Statements showing action taken by the (Conditions of se"ice of Chairman aDd Government on various assurances, Members) Amendment Rules. 1985 and promises a nd undertakings given by Notifications under Customs Act, 1962. tbe Ministers during tbe VarioDs Central Excise Rules and Income Tax Act, Session of Lok Sabha 1961 etc. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MIN(STER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY JANARDHAN,A POO1ARY) : 1 beg to lay AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD) : on the Table ~ FBBRpARY 26, 198G Paplrs ltoJd UO (1) A copy of the Appellate Tribunal (v) The Baaaae (SecQnd Amend- for Forfeited Property (Conditions ment) Rules, 1986 published of service of Chairman and in Notification No. G .S.& Members) Amendment Ru1es, 1985 198 (E) in Gazette of India (Hindi and English versions) publi- dated tbe 13th February, 1986. shed in Notification No. G S.R. 953 (E) in Gazette of India dated (vi) G.S.R. 199 (E) publisbed in, the 31st December 1985, under sub- Gazette of India dated the section (3) of secsion 26 of the 13th February, 1986 together Smugglers and Foreign Exchange with an explanatory memoran- Manipulators (For feiture of dum making certain amend- Property) Act, 1976. ment to Notificafion No. 70/85-Custorns dated the 17th [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 1010 '86]. M:lfch. 1985. (2) A copy each of the following Noti- (vii) G.S.R. 304 (E) published in fications (Hindi and En~1ish Gazette of India dated the versions) under section 159 of the 18th February, 1986 together Customs Act, 1962 : with an explanatory memoran- dum regarding revised rates of (i) G .S.R. 83 (E) published in exchange of certain forejgn Gazette of India dated the currencies into India currency 31st January, 1986 together of vice-versa. with an explanatory memoran- [Placed in Library. See No. dum regarding exemption to LT-2011/86] coffee when exported out of India from the ba~jc customs duty as IS in excess of Rupees (3) A copy each of the Following 600 per quintal. Notifications (Hindi and English versions) under section 296 of the (ii) G .S.R. 98 (E) published in Income-tax Act, 1961 : Gazette of India dated the 7th February, 1986 together (i) S.O. 463 published in Gazette with an expJanatory memo- of India dated the 8th randum regarding exemption February, 1986 regarJing to spinning waste (bard waste) exemption to 'The Indo-Arab when imported into India from Society' under section 10 (23C) the basic duty of customs as of the Income-tax Act, 1961 in excess of 100 per cent for the period covered by t~ ad valorem. assessement years 1985-86 to 1987-88. (iii) G .S"R. 99 (E) published in Gazette of India dated the 7th (ii) S. O. 464 published in Gazette February, 1986 together with of I ndia dated tbe 8th an explana tory memorandum February, 1986 regaroina making certain amendment to exemption to 'Harijan Ashram Notification No. 44/83- Trust, Ahmedabad' under Customs dated the 1st March, section 10 (23C) of tbe 1983. Income-tax, Act, 1961 for the period covered by the 8QeSS- (iv) O.S.R. 192 (E) in Gazette of ment years 198.5-86 to India dated tbe 12th February, 1987-88. 1986 together with an expla- natory memorandum making (iii) S.O. 465 published in Gazette certain amendment to Notifi- of India dated the 8th catioo No, 13 -Customs dated Eebruary , 1986. rcprdina tbf 9~b 11"",par1, 1981. exemption to 'Fi~bcr Mu~t •. PRALOUNA 1. lto? (SifKA) frape1'8Uld 262 Charitable Institutions, (ix) S.O. 473 publisded in Gazette Mangalore' under section of India dated the 8th 10 (23C) of the Income-tax February, 1986 regarding Actt 1961 for the period exemption to 'Army Group eovereti "by the assessment Insurance Scheme Fund' under years 1985-86 to 1987-88. section 19(23C) of the Income- tax Act, 1961 for the period (iv) S.O. 466 published in Gazette covered by the assessment of India dated the 8th years 1985-86 to 1987-88. February, 1986 regarding exemption to 'Seva Sangb (x) S.O. 474 published in Gazette Samiti, Howrah' under section of India dated the 8th 10(23C) the Income-tax of February, 1986 regarding Act, 1'61 for the period exemption to 'Bhartiya Adim- covered by the assessment jati Sevak Sang' under section years 1-983-84 to 1985-86. lO(2.3C) of the Income-tax Act, 1961 for tbe period (v) S.O. 467 published in Gazette covered by the assessment of India dated the 8th years 1983-84 to 1986-87. February, 1986 regarding exemption to 'Congregation of Cristian Brotbers in India' (xi) S.D. 480 published in Gazette under section lO(23C) of of India dated the 8th Income-tax Act, 1961 for February, 1986 regarding the period covered by the exemption to 'India Interna- assessment years 1985-86 to tional Centre, New Delhi' 1987-88. under section 10 (23C) of the Income-tax Act, 1961 for the (vi) S.O. 468 publisbed in Gazette period covered by the asses- of India dated the 8th ment years 1985-86 to February, 1986 regarding 1987-88. exemption to 'Jawan's Welfare [Placed in Library. See No. Trost. Mahrrashtra' under LT-2012/86] . section 10(23C) of the Income- tax Act, 1961 for the period (4) A copy each of tbe following covered by the assessment Notifications (Hindi and English years 1985-86 to 1987-88. versions) issued under the Central Excise Rules, 1944 : (vii) S.O. 471 published in Gazette of India dated tbe 8th (i) G.S.R. 954 (E) published in February, 1986 regarding Gazette of India dated the exemption to Rashtrotthana 31st December, 1985 together Praisbat, Ballgajore, under with an explanatory memonm- section 10(23C) of the Income- dum extending tbe validity of tax Act, 1961 for the period Notification No. 285/83-CE covered the assessment by dated the 2nd July, 1983 yean 1985-86 to 1987·88. upto 31st January, 1986. (viii) S.D. 472 published in Gazette 0f India dated the 8th Oi) G.S.R. 9(£) publisbed in February, 1986 ~rdin8 Gazette of lndia dated the exemption to 'Yusuf Meherally 3rd January. 1986 together Centre, Bombay' unCler section with an explanatory memo- lO(23C) of the Income-tax randum reaardin& exemption Act. 1961 for tbe period to silicones from basic duty toveMd by the uaessmcut of excise in excess of 25 per ,.an 1"''' to lil7 !lal. ~, (1(/ N/or~ '. . 263 Papers Laid FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Papers Laid 264 (iii) O.S.R. 82 (E) published in (i) The Indian Police Service Gazette of India dated the (Fixation of Cadre Strength) 31st January 1986 together Third Amendment Regulations, with an explanatory memoran- 1985 published in Notification dum expending the validity of No. G.S.R. 1140 in Gazette of Notification No. 185/83-CE India dated the 14th Decem- dated the 2nd July, 19~3 upto ber, 1985. 31st December, 1986. (ii) The Indian Administrative (iv) G.S.R. 101 (E) published in Service (Pay) Tenth Amend· Gazette of India dated tbe ment Rules, 1985 published in 7th February, 1986 together Notification No. G.S.R. 1141 with an explanatory memo- in Gazette of India dated the randum making certain amend- 14th December, 1985. ment to Notification No. 43/85-CE dated the 17th (iii) The Indian Administrative March 1985 so as to fix Service (Fixation of Cadre effective rates of duty of Strength) Amendment Regula- excise for tyres for three- tions, 1986 published in Noti- wbeeled motor vehicles size fication No. G.S.R. 37 in 3.50-10 and certain varieties Gazette of India dated the of radial tyres. 18th January, 1986. 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(vi) The Indian Administrative Service (Pay) Second Amend- ment Rules, 1986 published in Notifications under All India Services Act, 1951 and Thirty-fifth Report of the Union Notification No. G .S.R. 97 in Public Service Commission far tbe period Gazette of India dated the 8th from 1-4-1984 to 31-3-1985 and Memoran- February, 1986. dum explaining the reasons far nOD- acceptance of the advice or the U.P.S.C.s above Report (vii) The Indian Administrative Service (Fixation of Cadre THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Strength) Second Amendment MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC Regulations, 1986 published GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS (SHRI in Notification No. G .S.R. P. CHIDAMBARAM) : I beg to lay on the 98 3n Gazette of India dated Tabte : the 8th February, 1986. (l) A copy each of the following (viii) The Indian Administrative Notifications (Hindi and English Service (Fixation of Cadre versions) under sub-section (2) of Strength) Third Amendment section 3 of the All India Services Relulations. 1986 publi shed Act. 1951 : in Not.i&cauOQ ~o. O.S.R. 123 ~65 Paper, Laid PliALGUNA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Paper! La i d 266 in Gazette of India dated the OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC 15th February, 1986. ENERGY, ELECTRONICS AND SPACE (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): I beg to lay (ix) The Indian Administrative on the Table : Service' (Appointment by Competitive Examination) (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report Amendment Regulations, 1986 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. of the Saha Institute of G.S.R. 25 (E) in Gazette of Nuclear Physics, Calcutta, for India dated the 17 th January, the year 1984-85 along with 1986. Audited Accounts. 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As passed by Rajya Sabba [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE PRODUC- SECRETARY GENERAL: Sir. I lay on TION AND DEFENCE SUPPLIES (SHRI the TabJe the Motor Vehicles (Amendment) SUKH RAM) : I beg to lay on the Table: BilJ, 1986, as passed by Rajya Sabba. (l) A copy each of the following papers (Hindi and English versions) under 12.45 hrs. sUb-section (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, 1956 : COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS (i) A statement regarding Review by the Government on the Eleventh Report working of the Mazagon Dock Limited, Bombay, for tbe year [English] 1984-85. SHRI M. THAMBI DURAl (Dharma- (ii) Annual Report of the puri) ; I beg to present the Eleventh Report Mazagon Dock Limited, (Hindi and Engl ish versions) of the Bombay, for the year 1984-85 Committee on Private Members' Bills and along with Audited Accounts Resolutions. and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Twenty-fifth Report (2) A statement (Hindi and English [English] versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned at SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI (1) above. (Bhubaneswar) : I beg to present tbe Twenty- Fifth Report (Hindi and English versions) [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 2019/86] . of the Estimate Committee on Action taken by Government on tbe recommendations contained in their Seventy-Ninth Report (Seventb Lok Sabha) on the Ministry of 12.44 hrs. Railways-Ra ilway Purchases. MESSAGE FROM RAJY A SABHA [English) 12.46 brs. SECRETARY GENERAL: Sir, I have CALLING AITENTION TO MATTER to report the (oHowing message received from OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE the Secretary General of Rajya Subha : (Englilill "In accordance with the provisions of rule 111 of the Rules of Pcoc~dure Situation arising out of BOB-settlement of and Conduct of Business in tbe Rajya etbnic problems of Tamils in Sri Lanka Sabha, directed to enclose a copy I am SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gopicbet- the Motor V.:bicles (Amendment) of tipalayam) : Sir, I call the attention of the Bill, 1'986, which has been passed by the MlOlster of Extern"l Affairs to the followins Rljya Sabba at its sitting held on the matter of urgent public importance and I 2Sth February, 1986. tt request that be may make a statomoal theroon: 2~ Calling AtJent/on PHALGUNA 7. 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 270 The situation arising out of tbe are however being ascertained. Members may non-settlement of the atbnic problems rest assured that the Coast Guard and naval of Tamils in Sri Lanka and reported authorities have been given clear directions attacks on Indian fishing boats by Sri to ensure the safety of the Indian fishermen Lanka Navy and the steps taken by the operating in Indian waters and to prevent Government in that regard. intrusions into Indian waters. No attacks on Indian fishing boats inside Indian waters THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL wi1l be tolerated. Coast Guard ships on AFFAIRS (SHRI B. R. BHAGAT): patrol are under directions to maintain Government is gravely concerned over the utmost vigilance and to intensify bight crisis in Sri Lanka, a close neighbour with patrols. A Coast Guard station at Manda- pam provides logistic support to Coast whom India has traditionaHy had close and cordial ties. The Sri Lanka crisis is a Guard ships operating in Palk Bay and close political one; it can only be resolved through liaison with Tamil Nadu Government autho- political means. This will depend on the rities in Rameswaram. The Sri Lankan willingness of the Government of Sri Lanka authorities have stated that Indian fishermen to satisfy the legitimate aspirations of the regularly cross into Sri Lanl:an waters. It is Tamil population of Sri Lanka through the invariably difficult to ascertain the exact position of fishing vessels. We have conveyed devolution of appropriate powers within the framework of Sri Lanka's unity, through to the Sri Lankan authorities that in case of legislative means and executive decisions inadvertent crossing of the maritime boundary our fishermen should be dealt in a that would redress the long standing griev- with humane manner. ances of the minorities. The Government of India is convinced SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : The hone that there can be no military solution to this Minister has come forward with a statement. problem. We have extended our good offices Actually this ethnic problem is a long~ to the Government of Sri Lanka, to assist pending problem. \\'hich has to be solved in the negotiations between tbe parties to immediately. I think OUf hone Prime the dispute. In spite of many difficulties and Minister also voiced his grave concern over obstacles, these negotiations are continuing. the killings that are taking place ever)day. Recently ,here were attacks by the Army- The most serious and distressing result men on the civilians in Sri Lanka. Actual1y of the continuing crisis is the cycle of the situation is worsending day by day and violence which has taken a heavy toll of the hundreds of civilians are being murdred lives and property of innocent Sri Lankan request first of all the Government of India] civilians. This has reached dangerous to take it as a national issue. Even the hon. proportions and, as a result, the gulf Prime ~Iinister the other day said that this between the Sri Lankan Tamils and their problem is not only related to Tamil Nadu government continues to widen. The crisis but actually it relates to the entire country. bas had severe repercussions on India, as When he says so, we have to take It as a 125,000 refugees from Sri lanka have sought national issue and as a national problem. sanctuary in our country. The Government Then only it can be solved. of India hopes and urges that the crisis in Sri Lanka will be resolved through cons- I am grateful to the hone Prime Minister tructive political negotiations, and that for having settled so many issues within a conditions will be reached that would permit year. I see that a young and energetic Prime the early return of these refugees to Sri Minister 1ike our hone Rajiv Gandhi can do Lanka is honour and safety. The Govern- this also. But nowadays what Sri Lanka is ment of India accord very high priority to doing is that actually Jayawardene is playing this objective. a double role. He is making a doub1e speech. Th~t is what he is doing now. One day be is. There have been reports' of attacks on saymg that a military solution alone will Indian fishing boats by the Sri Lanka navy solve it. But another time he says tha t a and Government views these with concern. political solution will be suitable in order to The facts of tbe cases reported in the press end the problem. 27 J Calling If lIentlon FEBRUARY 26. 1986 Ca/llng Attent/on 272 [Sbri P. Kolandaivelu] Sbri Jayewardene says is tbat be wants to This problem should not be treated in a end the terrorism. \\ hat does it mean? casual and cavalier manner. Our hone Prime Actually, under the guise of anti-terrorism Minister has stated in unequivocal term activities, be is killing innocent people and that this is not a problem of Tamil Nadu labourers and agriculturists. Even Sri alone. So I request the hon. Prim~ Minister Lankan Industries Minister Shri Cyril to take up the matter immediately and solve Mathew has said that terrorists were mad it. Even President lavawardene has publicly dogs and should be shot dead. What stated and proclaimed that if Rajiv Gandhi does it mean? If there is terrorism, certainly nvades Sri Lanka and arrests him, then on it should be stopped. It should be curbed. ihat day there will not be a single Tamil There cannot be a second idea over it. tleft alive in the island. What do you mean by terrorism? Here 12.50 hrs. there are militants. Militancy is there. Only militants are fighting for a separate Eelam. [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] That is their grievances now. We can What does that mean ? In his open preach to good people. But we cannot and direct proclamation' even in the preach before* * Shri Jayewardene. We Assembly, Shri Jayewardene lJas stated cannot preach before **Shri Jaye- that supposing hone Prime Minister Shri wardene has become.. Tens of hun- Rajiv Gandhi invades Sri Lanka, there dreds of innocent people are being win not be a single Tamilian there by the massacred and murdered every day and Shri time when he is arrested. Jayewardene is playing a double role with Sinhalese and also with the Indian Govern- DR. A. KALANIDHI: What is the ment. He is actually dancing according to reaction of the Government of India to the tunes of the Sinhalese there in Sri Lanka. this? In the recent attack at Thangaveladipuram. more than 100 civilians have been kiJIed by SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: I want to army men. know the reaction of the Government of India here to the statement made by Shri MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The words Jayewardene. which the hone Member used against DR. A. KALANIDHI : I do not think President Jayawardene which are derogatory yon have protested. will not go on record. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : Who are DR. A. KALANIDHI : He is narrating all the people who are being kiHed? The what has actually happened. What is wrong innocent Tamils are being killed in hundreds. in it ? The Tamil women are being raped. The Tamil children are mauled and maimed. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : It is not They are massacred day in and day out. necessary to use such words. Sri Lanka Government is adopting a method of slow killing. That is what they are SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: At doing now. The Sri Lankan army has Thangaveladipuram, recently a week ago, become their potent weapon of oppression. more than hundred civilians were kiJIed by The struggle for Ealam has blossomed now. army men. The Batticaloa and Akkaripattu It is gathering momentum now with each Citizens Committees bad made an on-the- passing day. There wilJ be a separate Tamil spot investigation and they have found 60 Eelam. The problem can be solved only charred bodies of agricultural labourers, when there is a separate Setam. shephards and nomads kined by security (Interruptions). No force on earth, however forces. That is the position. Even in tbe mighty it may be, can stop it. recent attack alone, more than 125 innocent Tamils have been ki11ed by Sri Lankan There is so much of .difference between army. By the time of reaching a peaceful the militants and the terrorists. But what accord, I think, there will not be any - **Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 273 Calling Attention PRALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 274 Tami1tian at all. That is why we request The Sri Lankan problem is having its the hon. P~ime Minister to have a settle- repercussions in Tanlil Nadu, and the ment, to have an accord immediately, as people's strong sentiments have been early as possible. Even recently also, our reflected in the civic elections; because the hone Prime Minister, when he visited problem has not been solved by the Maldives, he also said and voiced his grave Government of India, the people have concern over the recent attacks made by the epressed their strong sentiments in the Sri Lankan army. Mr. Jayewardene has shown local panchayat elections in Tamil Nadu .•• his hand more clearly by spelling out that his regime is not prepared to go beyond terms DR. A KALANIDHI : The civic poll of its first 'Working Paper' on the issue which, has given a clear verdict. it is proved beyond doubt, cannot work at all as a basis for any meaningful negotiations. So, he has made up his mind not to give a SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : Senator separate Eelem. Unless there is a separate Edward Kennedy has said that 'Tamil Eelam' E~lam for the Tamils there, this proble.:n is the only solution for the settlement of the cannot be solved. ethnic problem in Sri Lanka. Even a person wl-to is a Senator in America has come forward and said that 'Tamil Eefam' is the The negotiation talks between only solution in order to settle the issue. I Sri Lanka and India with regard to the would say that we are not satisfied with the ethnic problem of the Tamils should be done statement made before this House by the headed by a Cabinet Minister. I request the External Affairs Minister. We have seen hone Minister for External Affairs to take up umpteen reports like this. I request the hone this issue Of course, Mr. Romesh Bhandare, External Affairs Minister to come forward Foreign Secretary, has been taking up this with concrete proposals. The TULF has i5sue. Even though he is doing his duty as already given certain proposals in order to directed, he may not be having special settle the issue. But Mr. Jayewardene is not interests as a political leader, just lik.e our accepting the proposals which have been hone Minister here, to settle the issue as given by the TULF. Unless the TULF early a~ possible. I request the hon. proposals are agreed to, there cannot be External Affaris Minister, Shri B. R. Bhagat, any solution to this problem. I request tbe to take up this matter and try to solve the bon. External" Affairs Minister to take up problem as ea rly as possible. the is~ue immediately and settle it. We have to bring about a settlement to this issue. 1t Mr. Dixit, our High Commissioner in is a sensitive matter not only in Tamil Nadu Colombo, has been called today, I suppose, but in the whole world. ExeC) body has in the wake of reports of Sri Lankan Tamils voiced grave concern over the state of facing murder and atrocities and a major affairs there. That is \\ hy, it is very action by the Armed Forces in which 100 important to settle it. I think, our External Tamils were killed recently. The action has Affairs Minister win corne forward and settle reen described as genocide. the issue. An independent study made by the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Catholic Church has confirmed that a large DEPART~1ENT OF PARLIAMENTARY number of Tamils have been either killed or AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI subjected to vIolence and rape. AZAD) : Sir, I suggest that we skip the lunch-hour today so that we can continue In the light of such incidents, Mr. with the Calling-Attention, Jayewardene says that be was not seeking a military solution to the Tamils issue. What does it mean? It is not a question of one or MR. DLPUTY SPEAKER If the two incidents of violence; violence is House agrees. ,\e can skip the lunch-haUl continuing almost every day. So, it is an today .... Yes. every day business of killing the Tamils in Sri Lanka. Shri Sriram Murty Bhattam. 275 Calling Attention FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Calling Attention 276 SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMAMURTY Sir, war cry is now heard. Military (Visakhapatnam) Mr. Deputy Speaker. operations are in full swing. Virtual genocide Sir, the situation in Sri Lanka is fast against the ethnic minority of Tamils is deteriorating; it is growing from bad to going on unabated. War hysteria is being worse. Every day we find violence and whipped up by all concerned. Mrs. counter-violence. The troops marching Bandaranaika is also suffering into laffna, the heartland of Tamils from the same. What do we do indu1ged in mass killing-spree. under the circumstances? What does India The innocent Tamils in hundreds are propo~~ to do under these circumstances? being gunned down every day. The atrocities, All that India did for the last several inhuman treatment and merciless massacre months is being undone by the intransigence knew no bounds. Sri Lanka is fast becoming of Sri Lankan Government. Could we remain another South Africa. Shri Jayawardhane is passive spectators all the time? Can we another Botha. One Wonders whether he remain passive spectators to aU that is wants to excell and out do Sou th African happening in Sri Lanka '1 No doubt, it is leader, Mr. Botha. The conti lUOUS bloodshed their internal problem. But at the same time and ge'lo:ide i~ an ever grow:n~ recurring we cannot forget the fact that these people feature. U adee the circumstances, what does are of Indian origin and we are the India propose to do ? What· initiative does neighbouring country. We are the affected the Government want to take? Or do they country. Lakhs of people, refugee people, want to be a silent spectator? India is no have come to India a nd their doubt committed to help the Sri Lankan influx i, increasing. Under these Government to arrive at a peaceful circumstances, we will have to take a tough negotiated settlement in regard to ethnic line. We will have to stop the genocide. problem. What ever role they have played Sri Lankan security forces merrily went on so far after contmuous several months' hard. killing-spree in JatIna, Tamil heartland. Sri Sincere dedicated, oatient and persistant, Lankan army called in the air force to launch efforts, the whole thing became in fructuous. an aerial attack with helicopter gunships India no doubt could successfully bring and fighter pJanes, killing hundreds them to, negotiated table. In spite of that ,of people and harassing others and making what is happening there now '1 What is the, their life miserable. I therefore urge upon the stand of Sri Lanka Government '1 Even the Government that the matter should be taken moderate leaders' proposals do not meet to the international forum like the Human with the approval of the Sri Lankan Rights Commission and there the matter Government. They want merger of has to be discussed and decided. The regular Northern and Eastern provinces. This was genocide cannot go on unquestioned, un- rejected and overlooked. They pteaded for checked continuously witbout check and certain amount of autonomy to the Provinces hindrance. and that again is said to be in consistence with the unitary nature of the Constitution of Sri Lanka and they were not agreeable India has to adopt a tough line and for that. Whatever has been agreed to at must give an ultima_tum to the Sir Lankan the time of discussions and negotiations, Government. They should forthwith stop they go back on tha t. They revert to the aU genocide, a1l cruelties, aU barbarities and cruel massacre, reckless and indiscriminate atrocities and indiscriminate killings of tho killing of innocent people. This is what is innocent Tamils. being done there. They go back on their earlier commitment on tbe devolution of greater powers to the Provinces and What bas happened to the cease-fire Provincial Councils. They had agreed to agreement and the virtual collapse of the annex 'C' while discuc;sina with Shri G. monitoring machinery. There should be Parthasarathy and now they are going back effective cease-fire and this is the condition on it. The Sri Lankan Government and prevalent for resumption of any worthwhile Tam\\s have rejected each others tHOposa\s. and fruitful resumption of negot iation. It Under these circumstances, wha.t is the use is very essential for negotiations. Tbere of baving further negotiations and should be a neutral aaency for this purpose discussions ? to monitor the ceasefire qreement. 211 Calling Atte1ltlon PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Atltniioll 278 Why not involve SAARC in this new The United States of America, Israel are search (or a lasting peace. I think this may also going all out to help Sri Lanka. be fruitfully attempted. The SAARC may also be involved in this. The main factor The Seventh Fleet of the United States that we will have to take into consideration is frequently visiting tbat area. That also is the war cry of the President Jayawardane. deserves to be noted. Now Sir, the question On January 26, be mand a solemn assurance is that Jayawardhane wants to utilise the to the people of Sri Lanka that he shall opportunity of negotiations if and when overcome, destroy and eradicate terrorism India once again resumes them, only for the in all forms on the soil of Sri Lanka. He purpo~e of takin~ time and further preprre gave a call to the people of Sri Lanka to and strengthen the army to totally destroy unite, come forward and destroy the militant the Tamil speaking people in Sri Lanka. movement. He clearly pitted the Sinhalese This is very unfortunte. He is playin~ for against the Tamils. Obviously he is seeking time. a military solution to the ethnic problem. He seems determined Recently be appointed a Military to annihilate the Tamils. He says Committee to look into the mass massacre that the Army is better equipped and of the innocent Tamils. A Military better trained now. He expects the guerilla Committee of the very people who .are quilty to be liquidated all in one year. He wants of genocide, who have killed, murdered and a military solution to a military problem. ruthlessly massacred and butchered are After doing that be says he will revert back Tamils to sit in judgement on their own to the political problem and achieve a actions? That is the. message which political solution. What does it mean ? Jayavardhane intends to pass on to the After military operations. what remains is Government of India. The India High nothing, but total destruction, desolation Commissioner specially runs to New Delhi and extermination of Tamils. Where is the with this. This is not acceptable to us and question of political solution after that? this cannot be tolerated for a minute. You win have to make it very clear that India He wants to totally exteminate the will not tolerate this. You will have to Tamils through military operations. What build up pressure to stop genocide and is there still left to be tackled politically? military action or you will have to take the It is ridiculous. This is not understandable. matter to the bigher international forum He wants to play the dual role-indulge in ruthless and merciless mass massacre of the Necessary steps should be taken innocent Tamils and also later sbow an immediately in order to see tbat not a single olive branch and talk of peace and negotiated soul of Tamil-speaking people should be settlement. The intention is very clear. lost. They are being killed in a ruthless and The trends are very ·clear. Sti Lanka is merciless manner by the fascist rule of Sir buliding up armed forces. Lanka. The Defence expenditure is increasing. In 1985 originally it was estimated to be Further, the innocent fishermen go in 1.7 billion. But it went upto 5 billion. A the Indian Ocean within our own territorial further increase of 68% is planned in the limits, are being attacked by the Navy of next budget. Sir Lanka. This has been noticed not once but several times. They are being harassed The Pat President visited Sri Lanka. regularly. What is being done by our There are other factors also and these Government? It is not a question o~ factors cannot be lost sight of. We will formally lodging a plotest; we will ta\e to have to take them into consideration. In taie concrete steps to see tbat the property December, the Pak President had offered and life of the people of Indian origin are training facilites to Sri Lanka Home Guards. saved from the belligerent attitude of tbe President Jayawardane expressed gratitude for Government of Sri Lanka. The Tamil- the practiC1.\ support of the Pal. President. speaking people in Sri Lanka would not be Not only Pakistan, but also several other able to put up with sonocide tbis aD,)' JoDier. gouatriea aro RPPlJiDI IrIDI to Sri LIDU. Tboro baa to bo ·1Il ODd to ~ 219 Calling Attention F~BRUARY 26, 1986 Calling t4ttentlon ~80 [Shri Bbattam SriramamurtyJ both the parties agreed to come to the negot.lating table, otherwise there would have Hundreds and thousands of smugglers been more bloodshed in Sri Lanka. But when are operating from Sri Lanka to Indian we go through the whole chain of events and, border. That needs to be tackled with an Iron ha,d HGrhish and other narcotics as our friends have also said, the President of Sri Lanka wants to gain time. On the are being smuggled into India and this is a one hand he says before the Parliament of great nsk to the security of our country. his country that they would take military This needs to be tackled and necessary action to quell the Tamils and outside the steps taken immediately. Parliament be talks of political solution to the problem. These contradictory statements lTra Islalion) are beyond comprehension. I would like to say to the hone Foreign Minister that when SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): we express our anxiety over the slaught er of Mr. Deputy SptJker, SIr, the bon. Mmlsler Tamils, the Government of Sri Lanka react bas expressed the anXIelY of India in regar d to it immediately. When tbey had referred to the s!tuation prevaihng in Sri Lanka in to the military solution of the problem, our unambiguous ternlS. Th~ Government of Government should have lcdged strong In(l1a wants that the intt!grity and umty of protest against it, but they did not. Sometime Sri Lanka ~hl.)uJd remain. intact and some back the TULF leader, Shri Amrithalingam polItIcal solutiOn of the present tangle IS had put forward some proposals. I would found out. No ClVlh~ed ~oclely can approve like to know from the bon. Minister whether what IS bappening in Sri Lanka Clnd we the Government of Jayewardene accept the cannot remam content by simply expressing true federal concept which has been our anxiety over the events that are taking advanced by you, or not. If tbey accept it place there. You have mentioned in your and the \\ay they have submitted proposal statement that there are 1,25,000 refugees to the effect that they want mediation from but, I think, the number of refugees who India, which bas been pubhsbed in the Press have taken refuge in Tamilnadu trem Sri also, then India should take initiative in the Lanka is rather more. It is affecting the mat ter. If they do not agree to the basic economy not only of that State but of the thing, I think the Government of Sri Lanka country as well In the same way as the heavy will gaifl time to procure arms from Pak stan influx of the refugees fl0m Bangladesh had and otber sources and in this way tbey will affected the economy of the country. Those perpetrate more atrocities against the people, woo hav~ made significant Tamils. I would hke to know the reaction contnbution to the prospenty and develop- of the Sri Lankh Government in this respect. ment of Sri Lanka are not only bemg Secondly, they have talked of forming a regarded as second class citizen but are also panel to investigate the causes of the killing bemg annihilated by the army in a planned of Tamils. What wilJ be the constitution of way there. According to the Survey made the panel? If the panel consists of the by "Jaffna Independent Weekly" a officials of tbe Sri Lankan Government, newspaper of Sri Lanka, more tban 3000 nobody will have faith in it. If the members Iamlls have been killed by the army with of the Catholic Church or such people are ODe year. The Youth of Tamils origin included in the panel on whose impartiality belonging to Tmkomali, which is situated in the Tamils have no doubt then, I think, the northern part of the country, are being that panel can be fruitful. We should Dlake imprisoned in the Southern part and are efforts in tbis direction. There are press being subjected to grievous tortures. reports that the Ambassador has been recalled here for consultation to review the There is no doubt that the Government policy in regard to Sri Lanka. I would like of India have taken a serious note of this to say that taking into account the problem and the Prime Minister has situation prevailing in Sri Lanka if we do expressed the anxiety of India more not review our whole policy towards Sri than opce. We have made aU possible Lanka, the Government of Jayewardene win efforts to find a political solution to the take advantage of the situation and the problem. I would like to say before the incidence of excesses on Tamils will increase House that it is oWl due to our c/IOtts that and tile iD11ux of rofuacca into IDdia wiU ~at r,alling Attention PHAtGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) Cal ling AttentlfJn 28~ increase. This will put burden on our ment do to implement it? There was no economy. We should tell the Sri Lankan cease-fire from Jayewardene's part and it Government categorical1y to find some appears that he is bent on a military political solution to the problem. If they solution of the problem and he wants to fail to find some political solution within a drive away the Tamils by sheer terrorism. stipulated period, the Government of India Sir, one important thing is that the should take positive action against the prolonging of this conflict helps the American Sri Lankan Government. I do not insist imperialism wb ich has secured a military that it should be at the diplomatic ]evel base in Trirncomalee, that on the one hand, only. I will go a step further and say that threatens the independence and sovereignity Sri Lanka is veTY nenr to us and foreign of the Sri Lanka itself and peace in the bases are also situated there. They are whole region on the other hand. getting assistance from America and several other countries. Previously, the dangl!r I want to know from the Government, was from Diego-Garcia and now the danger through you, Sir, whether the Government is looming large only at a distance of 30 to has taken it up with the U.S. Government 35 kilometres... Under such a situation we or has lodged the complaint, because their can no longer remain indifferent to the action affects the stability and security of problem. This is not the problem of our region. Here in this statement also the Tamils or Tatnilnadu. The whole country Government do not come out condeming is concerned at the problem. We can the Sri Lankan Government-condemning understand your anxiety because there some Jayewardene's military regime. So that Members of Parliament here whose relatives condemnation, I want in unequivocal terms are v!ctims of excessess in Sri Lanka. from our Government. The people of India are very much concerned at these happenings and fisk the Sir, the proposals of the TULF accep- Government of India to take stringent ting the principal of maximum autonomy measures in this matter. within the framework of a united Sri Lanka, that provides to mt mind the basis [English] of a negotiated settJement. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH That will meet the democratic aspirations GOSWAMI (Nabad\\tip): Sir, the whole of the suffering Tamil ethnic minority in country is anxious and anguished and our Sri Lanka. This House wants to know what hearts bleed any cry out against the renewed efforts the Government is making continued gruesome mass kiHings of to pressurise the Jayewardane Government to innocent men, women and children belonging arrive at a negotiated settlement. All means to the Ta mil ethnic minority by the Shri available to this Government should be used Lankan security forces. On behalf of my for this purpose. Only a few days back Party and on my behalf, I condemn these on the 19th of this month, prominent gruesolne killings and this genocide with all citizens of Madras made an appeal to the the force at my command. Why cannot Prime Minister. It says : the Government of India publicly condemn "Seven prominent citizens of the genocide of tbe Tamils in Sri Lanka? Madras today appealed to the Prime What prevents Shri Bhagat to publicly Minister, Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, to "take condemn them? What is this early. effective steps" to bring the Shri precious diplomacy 7 While the Amnesty Lankan Government and the Tamil International also is taking up some Liberation organisations back to the cases. Why is it that our Government negotiating table and to guide them bas to keep silent? Sir, I want to know to forge an "honourable settlement of whether this Government will come out in the ethnic problem." the open, publicly condemning this genocide in Shri Lanka of innocent women, children There is still time to retreat from and men the civiHans. What is this Govern- the evilque brink and go back to the ment doing to have an effective cease-fire? negotiating table and work out with Even after the Thlmpu Agreement, nothing sincerity and diligence an acceptable was implemented and what did our Govern- solution on the federal modeJ giV:DB F£URtiARY 26, 1986 Cal JI", Atttlttiolt 284 (Shrimati Bibha Gbosb Goswami] In the scenario that has been described by the hone Members there is a very large the Tamils an opportunity to Jive with element of truth. I agree with the scenario. self-respect and security as citizens of (Interruptions) You give me a chance to Sri Lanka. A partition of the island speak. I am uying to deal with the points with solve no problem and do equal which you all b{lve raised. barm to both the Tamils and the Sinhalese. " The difficulty bas been that the Sri Lankan Government and its authorities have The sinatories to the "Appeal for Peace been professing peace, political solutions and in Sri Lanka", are: Shri C. Subramaniam, peaceful negotiations; but in fact they are former Union Finance Minister, Prof. K. practising, and going in for a military Swaminathan, Prof. K.R. Srinivasa Iyengar, solution. (lnlerruptiont) That bas been the Mr. P.S. Kailasam, former Supreme Court basic dIfficulty. Judge, Shri Rajmohan Gandhi, Shri M. V. Arunachalam and Shri G .K. Sundaram. In the beginning, the hone Members referred to the Thimpu agreement. The So this settlement, is immediateJy cease-fire agreement was signed. But it has required, with the good offices of our obseeved more in vialation tban in Government, it brooks no delay. observance, i.e. smooth observances. Earlier, they said it was violation by both the sides; Regarding the Tamil refugees who have but I made the statement that the violation come across seeking to escape the atrocities was from the security forces of Sri Lanka. committed by the Sri Lankan military And then I was criticized in the Sri Lankan establishments. it has been said in the papers Parliament, that I had made a very biased that they are Stateless people. What efforts statement, or a strong statement; but later are being pursued for a settlement which events proved that not only there was will protect their fundamental rights, as violation but the securify forces bad gone ethnic minorities, and create conditions for much beyond any civilized action. them to return home? The whole country, and the whole world is really looking with What bas happened recent1y? Some great concern towards tbis problem now. reference was made to the recent killings As I said, it brooks no delay, and every of innocent people-workers harvesting in measure available to the Government should the field in some villages, men, women and be used to pressurize the Jayewardene children ha ~e been kiJIed. This goes beyond regime to come to an immediate sett]ement. tbe norm of any civilized behaviour. Many I want to know from the Government what hone Members have described it is a exactly Government is going to do in this genocide. An hone Member asked me about respect. my views on it. I am sorry to say that it is a matter of concern that it has the SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : ] am in ab- elements of a genocide. What else? solute agreement with the views etpressed by the hone Members, when they say that this Armed people going and just without Is a question of series concern to tbe whole any reason spraying buJJets and kining a country. It is a matter of serious concern. large number of people who are working in The Parliament is involved. There is tbe fields - what else is it? How do you serious concern not only in Tamil Nadu; of describe it 1 It is with great pain and course, I know the feelings in Tamil Nadu, sorrow that I am saying this. both among the people and in the Govern- ment of Tamil Nadu; they are very strong. Then the Monitoring Committee was But you have seen the views expressed by set up. On our advice, they have set up; some hone Members coming from outside the monitoring .team; and it was not allowed Tamil Nadu. It is a matter of very serious to function. And the result was tbat tbe concern. There cannot be any two opinions Tamil members resigned, and the Itlonitoring or tbat. arransements collapsed. 285 Calling Attent/on PHALGUNA 7. 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 286 A reference bas been made about it. You remember the Prime Minister's strengthening of the armed forces, statement in Male. The Prime Ministes military preparation to deal with terrorism himself made this statement that let the in that country and get help from all over. Sri Lankan Government tell us whether I do not want to repeat this, but it is a fact. they wanted our mediation in this matter On tbe one hand, for whatever reasons; or not. What stronger, what more positive may be domestic compulsion; may be certain and categorical stand do you want? Still forces within Sri Lankdn Government are we need informal negotiations between India opting for military operation; others are still and Sri Lankan Government and they are speaking for a political solution; on the continuing. The Sri Lankan Government other hand, when the proposal of the TULF has expressed a desire again to continue came, with all these difficulties and obstacles negotiations towards political solution. we were pursuing peaceful negotiations and working towards the political solution. You SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Every have said that it should be upgraded. The time, they say like this. Foreign Secretary is doing a good job. DR. A. KALANJDHI: We want you SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : He is on to take up this matter with them personany. the verge of retirement. We want you to take up this matter personally with him. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI (Howrah) : You personally deal with the SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: The govern- Sri Lankan Government instead of asking ment is the same. He is working on behalf him to do it. That will give much more of the government; he is not alone. He weight to it than the Secretary. That is the consults the Foreign Minister and the Prime concern of the House. Minister. He gets direction from the Prime Minister. So, this matter is given the top- SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: I am dealing most priority; this is a matter of natjonal with it. You do not ask me to leave the- concern and the Prime Minister gives the Parliament and run all around the world. I direction; under the direction of tbe Prime said, somebody will have to go and discuss. Minister and the views expressed here in If necessary, I can go. This matter has been Parliament, he functions. discussed at all levels. The Prime Minister himself has held several discussions with tbe SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : He is an President of Sri Lanka in different places- officer altogether; he may not have any in Dhaka, in Nassau and here in Delhi itself. political interest just like you. So, this matter is at the highest level. Every time we will review our position and see what SHRI B. R. BHAG AT : He is an agent best arrangement for negotiations can be of the government. 1 am saying in this done. But I say, the Foreign Secretary is matter he works under the direction of the doing a good job and there is no reason that Prime Minister. What else do you want? he should be withdrawn at the present He is doing a good job. moment. (Interruptions) The point I was saying was that what It is given the most serious consideration. bas happed recently bas created complete breakdown of credibility •.. (Interruption,). SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: He is a very experienced diplomat. AN HON. MEMBER: Innocent people's genocide. SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: When the TULF proposal came, it was decided that SHRI B. R. BHAGAT : Well, this is a Mr. Romesh Bhandari will go and discuss very serious matter and if they want to this matter. The reaction on the TULF whitewash it, it cannot be whitewashed. They proposal of Sri Lankan Government was cannot just appoint a committee which is not negative. There was no meeting ground to go into it, which is not acceptable, which and therefore we called him back and we is Dot independent. As bas been said by the said tbat there was no point in discussing bon. Member. Mr •. Rawat, it bas to be a 2rj7 CalUng Attention FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Motion rt : Joint Committee 288 on Lokpal I ;1/ [Shri B. R. Bhagat] SHRI G. G. SWELL (Sbil1ong): I do committee which is acceptable to the people, not think they need to inform them. What both the Tamils and the Sinhalese, to the the Minister has said in the House is itself people of Sri Lanka, and not just as a white- an information. washing committee. But what has happened is that a large number of innv;ent people, SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: As I said when we withdraw. we called back the Foreign people who have nothing to do with this, Secretary from Madras saying that because who are working in th~ir daily life, the poor of th-! n~gative response of the Sri Lankan people, they have, just without any rhyme or reason, been kllled. You cannot give any G.overnment, there was need for negotiation s. SInce then we were evaluating the position other description. This fits in with the description of genocide, as accepted in any and now the Sri Lankan Government has emphasised again that they want international forum or in a civilised way. a political solution and so we have This Sn Lankan Government have to assure, called the High Commissioner. He be firs t\y, that there will be no more violence. will coming here. He may have c\)me this morn- Dealing with terrorists is one thing but in the ing it~elf. We will discuss it and we will name of terrorism, killinci large number of inform them these two things that this must civilian population is quite another. If this be stopped. We have said it earlier that this goes 00, we have said it in the past that should be enquired into. There should be an unles~ ceasefire violation steps, it is a negative impartial inquiry into the nature of these factor in the political negotiations. But new kilJings. In future this must stop. The kmings it has gone much further. It is a climate ~i:ilians of violence, and in a climate of violence you of and innocent people must stop. lS number one precondition. The second cannot negotiate, you cannot work for a ThIs thing is this. The various elements 0 f a political solution. The second point which I poFtica' solution, the land settlement, the want to emphasise is that time is fast running devolution, the law and order problem and all out. We want actIon on behalf of the thec;e question~ must be gone into and a Government of Sri Lankan on this malter. settlement arrived at early. Thpse are the If they say that they are for a political two things. India shaH communicate our firm solution, well, let them consider and there views to the Sri Lankan Government. must be a time frame. We cannot give long Thank you. time enough. The Prime Minister has already said that they have to say whe!her they want SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMAMURTY: our mediation or not. If they want, well, After such a discussion, I thank that tbe they have to settle this question in a very position will be informed to the Lok Sabha very small time frame-a week, or two weeks here. or not more than ... (Interruptions). SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : You fix the time ... (lnte'rup~ions). 13.41 brs. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI: Have you informed them tb at it is not the MOTION Re : JOINT COMMITTEE desire of the Government ... (Tnterruptions). ON LOKPAL BILL SHRI B. R. BHAGAT: We have called [Eng/biz) the Ambassador . .. (Interruption). SHRI BRAHMA DUTT (Tchri Garhwal) : SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI : I beg to move the following : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the House needs your protection. The Foreign Minister is "That this House do appoint Shri S. telling categorically that the situation is so Jaipal Reddy to the Joint Committee on explosive now that tbey feel that within the the Bill to provide for the appointment time frame things should be discussed and of Lokpal to inquire into allegations of sorted out. If that is the point pf the corruption against Union Ministers and OO\lernment, did the Government of India for matters connected therewith vice inform tbis particular aspects. Prof. MS\dbu Dandavate resigned. n 289 Mlltle'l URde, Rule 377 PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAf(A) Matte,. Under Rule 377 290 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The [Translation] question is : (ii) Reported reduction in sanctioned grant for Tanda Tbt'rmal Project, Faizabad, "That this House do appoint Shri UP and urgent need to compJete the S. Jaipal Reddy to the Joint Committee project on the Bill to provide for the appoint- ment of a Lokpal to inquire into allega- SHRI R. p, SUMAN (Akbarpur) : Sir, tions of corruption against Union I want to raise a matter of urgent public Ministers and for m~tters connected importance under rule 377. A Thermal Power therewith vice Prof. Madhu Dandavate Project of 400 megawatt is under execution resjgned." in tehsil Tanda in Akbarpur patliarnentary constituency in district Faizabad of Uttar Tbe motion was adopted. Pradesh, One unit was scheduled to te commissioned in J 982 but due to certain reasons that unit could not be commissioned 13.42 hrs. within the scheduled time. On tbe occassion of foundation stone laying ceremony of that MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 project it was announced that one of its units would be commissioned in 1984. But that target also could not be achieved. It is learnt from some sources that the amount allocated (i) Damage Caused due to recent hail- for the Taoda Thermal project is being storm in Vidarbha region in Maha- diverted aod it is quite likely that the work rashtra and need to provide necessary on the project might come to a standstill. relief to the people Sir, there is wide-spread resentment SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT among the local people due to this cut io the (Nagpur) : It has been brought to ,he notice allocation. The said project must be ccmr]e- of the Centra1 Government that due to recent ted in public interest. So, I would make an haibtorm in many districts of Vidarbha impassioned appeal to the Go\errjrr.(nt of region in Maharashtra State, the rabi crop India not to effect any cut in the allocation bas been severely affected. The whole of the to the Tanda Thermal PJoject, faizabad orange crop has been badly destroyed in the and get the work completed withcut delay affected areas. In Nagpur district along in so that generation of power is started and 200 villages the Joss to rubi crop and orange OUf state is benefited by it. Besides~ the crop is 100 per cent. It will not be out of aff~cted farmers and the educated employed context to mention here that such disaster of the area should be provided jobs, accord- never took place in Vidarbba region during ing to their qualification, on priority basis in the last 70 years. the project so that resentment is removed. While visiting the villages one cannot see (iii) Need to provide adfquate financial the miseries of the affected poor farrners. assistance to Rajastban for giving Present norms of help are completely inade- relief to farmers affected by heavy quate. I welcome the gesture of Hon. rainfall and hailstorm Prime Minister who has shown sympathy to SHRI SHANT! DHARIWAL (KOla) : the poor sufferers by sending a cheque of Mr. Speaker, Sir, Under rule 377 I would Rs. 20 lakbs from the Prime Minister's relief like to draw the attention of the House to fund. The area has not been covered under the recent hailstorm that lashed a number of the Crop Insurance Scheme. Only a few who districts in Rajasthan. got the Joan are covered and the rest have been left out. Orange which is a main source The di!tricts of Kota Bundi and lhalawar of economy in Vidarbha region is not have been severely affected by heavy rainfa]) covered under a.1y Insurance Scheme. and hailstorm this year. Thousands of cattle- beads have perished and standing crops have J earnestly request the Central Govern- been damaged due to which the farmers are ment to send a team of exp erts to assess the facing acute financial difficulty. If the damage caused due to recent hailstorm and Government get the damage to the crops provido all D~ar)' help on war footina. esscsscd. it will COD,Je to erora of ruoees. 291 Matters Under Rule J7i FEBRUARY 26, 1986 Matters Under Rule 377 292 [Shri Shanti Dhariwal] profiting every ) ear at least to take I also request the Government that the ODe or other units of this kind to damage to the opium crops in Rajasthan revive the economy and belp worker. of should also be assessed and then on the basis West Bengal immediately. of the average of opium crop the farmers The Central Government may also should be given licences for the next year. suggest to the State Government of West If the damage is not taken into accounts, the Benga 1 to take all necessary remedial farmers are likely to be denied licences on measures in this regard. the plea of lelis production. This will result in great financial difficulty to the farmers. (v) Need t!l give financial assistance Care should be taken that their licences are to Cultural Institutes in Bihar not can~ened in future also. SHRI C. P. THAKUR (Panta) : Sir, the three jnstitutions dealing with Therefore, I request the hone Agriculture preservation of cultural heritage Bihar are Minister and the Finance Minister to allocate of adequate grants to the farmers and the state Pali Institute, Nalanda Peakrit Institute, Vaishali, and the Institute of Private Pundits Gov.!rnml!ot to meet the h~avy fio'lncial 10s41 making Panchang (Astronomical magazine) suffered by the farmers due to recent heavy in Mithila. All tbesa three institutions are rains and hailstorm in f' several districts of trying to preserve the ancient and Rajasthan. cultural heritage of Bihar. They need generous gift from the Centre for their [English) survival and improvement. (iv) Measures needed to solve the proJlem of Industrial sickness (vi) Urgent steps needed to protect in West Bengal historic fort at Khurda, Orissa and to issue commemorative postal SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI stamps;o memory of "Jai Rajguru" and "Bux; (Howrah) : The industrial sickness in \Vest Jagabandbu" Bengal has created an alarming situation in the economy of West Bengal as well as of SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI Eastern India The small scale mdustries (Bhubaneswar) : Orissa came last UDder and a few medium scale units are at the foreign domination The brave Paiks (peasant verge of extinction in Howrah which was militra) of Orissa fought against the foreign - once upon a time the major industrial city invaders tiJl last and in 1804 A. D. in the of the country. The short supply of raw fort at KHURDA in the District of Puri in materials like pig iron, alcohol, yarn, Orissa. The last freedom battle was fought paraffin wax bad virtually closed down the under the heroic leadership of two martyrs major small scale foundry, candle units and "Jai Rajguru" and "Buxi Jagabandbu". hoisery units. More so, there ar~ power shortages. Immediate steps by the Ministry But this historic fort at Khurda which of Industry and Ministry of Finance is of r.ational importance is going to ruins through IRBI, Banks and Industry Ministry year by year. It may so happen that unless it of West Bengal Government are extremely is declared as a protected area and a fort necessary for total revival plan with t.he to be preserved, it may be completely help of the recently pa5sed bill on sick obliterated very soon and there may industries. The resDonsibility to run the not be any trace left of this historic mODument. indusiry is mainly of the State Government. The time bas come that the Government of I, therefore. urge upon the Government India should come in a big way with the State to take immediate measures for protecting, Government to rescue the industrial situation preserving and carrying on excavation of within three months. Sick Industry Revival this Fort area and also to introduce 'Postal Board must immediately he formed and stamps in the names of "Jai Rajguru" and IRBt mU'it be a'iked to take managerial "Buxi Jagabandhu" for commemorating the respon~ihility to nurse the units. Government fJ.lartyrs of first freedom strulZgle in 1804 of India should also take initiative to A. D. fought at Kburda in Orissa against oersuade big Multinational unit. whicb are tbe foreign ruJers. 29~ Matters Under Rule 377 PHALGUNA " 1907 (SAKAl Matter! Under !?ute 377 294 (vii) Need to wtlhdra" the circular i.sued In the past Article 311 (2)(B) and (C) by Government of regarding was used indiscriminately against the leaders registration of Private Medical PractitioDers to amend tbe and activhts of the Central and State Medical Council of Government and Railway empl< '1 !es' India Act organisations as a handy stick to put aown the employees' movement. Tbeemp]oyees have DR. A. KALANIDHI (Madras to work under constant fear and insecurity Central) : It bas come to my Knowledge so long as Articles 310 and 311 (a) (b) and that the Private Medical Practitioners (c) remain in the Constitution and hang as a Association of India, Madras, is registering Democle's Sword on the heads of the persons who have passed S.S.L.C. one above Government employees. Article 310 which 25 years and who have been practising says that the Government employees serve Allopathic System of Medicine for a fee, at the p]easure of President and Governors even thougb tbe Indian Medical Council i~ nothing but .. he replIca of the Government and Indian Medical Association have strongly of India Act 1935 which was generally objected to the Government of India not to known as a doctrine of Royal Pleasure. encourage quackery. It has been ga.hered that t!lose who have beel) practising modern The five million State Government meedicin!s for a period of not less than ten employees and teachers are observing a day's years immedialely before an appointed date token strike at the call of the All lndia may be allowed to continue to practise State Government Employees' Federation on modern medicine, and they should, however, 26th February, 1986, demanding scrapping not be entitled to practise surgery, Obstetrics of Articles 310 and 311(2)(a)(b) and (c) and or radiation theraphy in any form and also Article 126(2) of Jammu and Kashmir prescribe any medicine included in Schelules Constitution. G., H. and L. of the Drugs and Cosmetics Act, 1954. But, to my knowledge no date I shall request the Government to bring has been annouced by the Government of an amendment to tbe Constitution to do India so for. I had occasion to go through an away with tbose undemocratic Anicles from appJication form ror admission to the above the Constitution and honour the sentiment Association and noted that a question asked of the entire nation. in it is that "whether tbe Medical Practice is the only source of livelihood or there is SHRI HARISH RA WA T (Almora) any other profession or calling". This sort Sir, I support this. of thing i.s going on unchecked based on the Gnvernment of India's letter No. V. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 11016/4/77. MP(P) dt. 4-3-1978. Even the (Bolpur) : Sir, there should be some Medical Council of India has not done response from the Government on this very anything to arrest these things. In these important issue.... (InterruptIOns). Sir, the circumstances, I would like to request the Supreme Court Judgment in Shah Bano·s Government of India to wtthdraw this case is being altered post-baste. But why circular and also introduce necessary not this Judgment which IS against Central amendments to the Medical Council of Government employees? India Act and help to achieve the 80al, "HEALTH FOR ALL BY 2000 A. D.". AN HON. MEMBER What is the reaction of t he Government ? (viii) Need to amend Articles 310 and 311 of the Constitution MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, Stri V. S. Krishna Iyer. SHRI AJOY BIS WAS (Tripura West) : The recent Supreme Court Judgment reversing the earlier judgment of tbe Supreme Court [Transla I ion) in regard to Cbellapan case and upholding SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Mr. tbe rigbt of tbs Government employees Chairman, Sir, this affects two crore without assigning any reason or wihtout employees and members of their families. giving any scope of self-defence bas come as This Article must be amended. a shock to entire community of the GOYOtOID01l\ Ompo),001 of tho QOWltr~. (11lt~""";(JIU) 295 Matter$ Ci'1lder Rule 377 PEBlI t1 AR Y 26. 1'986 (English] 13.55 brs. MOTION OF THANKS ON THE MR. CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS It is under Rule 377, not for discussion. -Coutd. Please resume your seats. It is simply under Rule 377. Now, Shri Krishna lyer. [Engiish] MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, we will take up the Motion of Thanks on the President's SHRI HARISH RA W A T Kindly Address. direct the Minister to make a statement on this. DR. A. KALANIDHI (Mad1'as Central): Mr. Chairman. I would like to (bzterrupliolls) thank you for having given me an oppor- tunity to speak on the Motion of Thanks on the President's Address, on behalf of the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE It DMK Party. Though the President's is a common demand. Address is a customary one, it has not reflected the policy of the Government into to. Probably they have got something (ix) Licence to tke Bangalore Water reserved to be announced in the Budget. Supply and Sewerage Board for Sir, from the policy spell out by the setting up Wireless Communi- President, I think, the Government bas cation System deviated or dnfted towards the ca pitalist path and not towards the socialist path that SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER bad been advocated by PandJt Jawabar Lal (Bangalore South): Ebe Bangalore Water Nehru. It has been menti'.)ned in the Supply and Sewerage Board bad requested President's Address at page 2 that there is the Wireless Adviser, Government of India, religious fundamentalism and fanaticism. I New Delhi, to grant a licence to establish a want to point out that not only there is VHF communication for their activities. religious fundamentalism and fanaticism but The Government of India on 16-11,85 also linguistic fanatacism existing in this intimated (Ministry of Communication) that country. Though J 5 languages are included they agree in principle to grant a licence to in the VIII Schedule of the Constitution, establish and maintain wireless telegraph but still the only language that enjoys the stations at such locations and with such wire- privilege is HlDdi on which you spend less equipment a~ indicated. The frequency maximum amount of money and you never allotted is 70.3(MHZ). The same frequellcy have any interest to impove other languages. is also allotted to Chief Conservator of Now Hindi is imperialising not only in direct Forests. In the meanwhile, the BWSSB form, indirect form but in all the forms and have placed order with B.E.L., Ghazibad for is entering into non-Hindi speaking belt~, supply of wireless equipment. Now the which is causing anxiety for us. We do not Ministry of Communication is to grant want to place and more trust in the licence and confirm the frequency of assurances .given by the la te Prime Ministers. 70.3 MHZ allotted to the Bangalore Water We only request that English should be made Supply and Sewerage Board. the official language for all purposes and it should be included in the Constitution. If necessary, the Constitution should be In viT!w of the critical watlr Supp]y amended that aspect. position in the Bangalore City, the wireless communications is a necessity and therefore, Another thing is about the education the Ministryof Communications (W.P.C. policy. The President has mentioned about Wing) bas to grant licence for setting up uniform education policy. You have wireless communication and to confirm the allowed mushroom growth of polyechmcs, frequency of 70.3 MHZ immediately. engineering colleges, medical colleges and you have allowed capitation fee. Now bow are you lOioa to oxpoot uiform CduoadoD the P,eJitknl', Addres8 .2~ policy? I wonder it will be very difficult to wi th the project. In spite of tbat, because make. Many people have talked about the of political motivation, the Veeranam project Shah Bbno case. Here, the Supreme Court which was planned by my founder-leader, has directed that the Medical Council of Dr. Karunanidhi was not executed. It was India would select candidates for under- not taken up by the next Government and graduate and post-graduate courses. The they have given Telugu-Ganga project. Medical Council has no authority to select Various excuses are given for not implemen- any candidates for under-graduate and post- ting the project. I do not want to give any graduate courses. I t is only a sta tut ory political colour to it. I only request that body. They can only supervise. They the Government of India should use its have no power to select any candidate. If influence to implement tbe Telugu Ganga they do so, tbey are intruding upon the project so that Madras city is saved and the powers of the State. The time has now people of the city get drinking water. for asking more State autonomy. I don't think, the Medical Council has any power to He has mentioned about the textile enter into the States' powers. policy. It is a very harmful policy that you are going to implement. The bandloom Then, the President has mentioned about weavers' interests are not protected. I the price rise and the economic stabiJity. request the Government of India to protect We have increased the price of petrol be the interests of weavers particularly handloom have gained about Rs. 400 crores on spot wea verso A particular variety, of sarees or purchases. The other countries, including dhoties should be exclusively aBotted for the the OPEC countries have reduced tbe price handloom industry. of petroleum by S15 per barreL Mexico has reduced it by $20 per barrel. Whereas About the Sri Lanka ethnic problem, the price of indigenous production in India, many Members have expressed their concern. in Bombay High, in the and canvery Basin We were not given a chance in the call- has been increased by you. In spite of attention motion discussed in the morning. that, now you h1lve put more tax on the I thought, I could express my views there. petroleum products. One of the Ministers If you say political solution, that means, we says that petrol is used by rich people. It are living in the fools' paradise. There is is a very foolish argument to say so. After no other go except to resort to military all , it is the medium through which essential Solution. commodities are transported by bus and other means of transport. After aU, it 14.00 brs. affects the common men. It has been rightly pointed out by the former President, You have not been able to tolerate Sbri N-eelam Sanjiva Reddy. People are not when the inalienable rights are denied willing to accept the slogans. They cannot for the Palastinian people. You have not swallow the preachings. They cannot been able to tolerate tbe racist regime of consume the slogans. They must be South Africa. You bave not been able to implemented pr.operly. So. I once again tolerate tbe dictatorial ruling of Marcos of request the Minister to bring down the Philippines. You have recognised the PLO. prices as early as possible. You have recognised the Namibia movement and you have openly supported Mrs. He has mentioned about drinking water Acquino for coming back to power. But in the villages. I am only sorry to say when it comes to the Tamilians of Sri Lanka, that even in the cities, it is a problem. Mr. you conveniently forget them and you do Krishna Iyer has mentioned about the water not recognise the Ee1am Liberation Forces. problem in Karnataka. With the kind You brand tbem as militants. So, the intervention of the late Prime Minister, Mrs. political solution cannot solve the problem. Gandhi~ Madras city was saved in 1983. Military soluti on is the only way. This Wbereas during the Emergency. they have morning, people have talked much about shelved out the Veeranam project which the genocide, massacre, corruption, rape and Central Water Commission bad also adv ised looting. I have never had a chance to that the Veeranam Project was a viable speak on the Call Attention l\-fotion. projoct. Evon tho oDlinoors were satisfied Hence I express my opinion OD tb~ issue ~~ Motidn o/Thanks on PE:bRUAAY 26, ,J86 the Pr~sldent·' Address ~od (Dr. A. Ka]anidhi] should convey to the Prime Minister to that the Government of India should not be name the Minister of Tamilnadu who has a silent spectator and military solution is deposited Rs. 1,60,00,000 of money in the one and the only solution. Se parate benami name in a nationalised bank. The Belam is the only saJvation. Time is going action against Mr. Kalimutbu, Minister of to prove that they are going to liberate Tamilnadu, is still pending. What prevents Tamil Eelam which nobody can prevent you from taking action against him ? whether th'! Government of India are willing A legislation was brought in Tamil Nadu or not, to a~cept it. Assembly on 23rd January, 1986 and a Bill I have already mentioned under Rule was conSidered on 24th and adopted on the 377 today that some quacks are practising same day and sent to the President for medicine. PeopJe of SSLC qualtfication assent. I requent that the President should with 12 years of experience are going to not give assent for this Bill. What is the practise Allopathic medicme as per the G. O. haste in bringing this Bill? This BiU is for issued by the Government of India on the purpose of takmg over the race club. 4·3-1973 which is going to cause much When Dr. Karunanidhi was the Chief Minister hazard to the people. of Tamilnadu J in the year, 1974 he abolished the Madras Races and Madras Race Club. Now there is too much of Customs and fbe management went to the High Court. Excise duties on drugs. As a result, the Madras High Court upheld the decision of co-n:n:m m 1n 1S o.)t able to consume or the Government. Management went to the purchase even the essential drugs which are Supreme Court and got a stay. The stay essential for the h.:alth. Unless this is is still pending since 1975 in the Supreme rem .Jved in to, the slogan of he.dth for all Court. If the Government of Tamilnadu is b { 2'JJ) A D will be only a hysterisal slogan. really interested in abolishing the race, why Hence I request the Gov;!rnment of India to not think of vacating the stay pending in remove the tax and help the poor common Supreme Court since 1975 ? On the pUblic. contrary, they want to take over the race President's addNss has mentioned, about club. On what pretext are they taking clean G.)vernment. I would like to mention over? On the pretext of malpractices, one incident in wh:ch a General Manager of Government has got four nominees. What na.tionllised bank wac; harassed for having are the Home Secretary and the Police made a deposit m0bilisation and deposited Commissioner doing? They said that there Rs. 1,60,OO,liOO in fixed deposits The is a faction in the Club wnich makes them General Manager has revealed to the CBI to take over. I tell you that there is a people that this money belongs to one of the faction in the ruling party of Tamilnadu. Ministers of the Government of Tamilnadu. There is a Jayalalita Group and Mr. RMV For no fault of the General Manag.!r, he has Group. Can you ask the Government of been baraC)sed mentally and physically. India to dismiss the Government on the basis of faction? I am a Member of the Madras Our Prime Minister is called Mr. Clean Race Club. I have not gone for a single of the world and our Finance Minister is racing or betting. I use the Social Club for called Mr. Clean of India. When you are entertaining my doctor friends who come able to name the executives of Kirloskar, from abroad to attend international seminars. Voltas and Bata who bave evaded the black- money, what prevents you from naming the Hence I request that the President should corrupt Ministers of Tamitnadu ? Is it because not give his assent to this Bill. When of the alJiance you have with the AIDMK there is haste for taking over, why Dot they party? The recent civic poll clearly has show the same haste for bringing prohibition given a blanket permission for the Govern- in Tamilnadu? Why did they postpone it ment of India to throw out the corrupt till January, 1987? Because of the licences, Ministers. If it is not done, the time will all the licences, are given to ADMK party come when the people of Ta~)nadu are people, name)y, the ruling party people. going to tbrow these corrupt Ministers. The They are the people who are fuling Tamil. State Minister for Personnel Reforms Mr. nadu now. You have not shown fbat mucb Ctlldambaram is bore. I request tbat be of OIlthuiUDl in brioaioa probibitioQ, OQ 301 Motion o/Thanks on PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) the PreJldent's Address 3O~ the contrary, you are showing too much of government has constituted a committee interest in taking over race club comprising of military officials to investigate only on personal animosity. They into the incident. How can you keep a cat know that borse races is the king of to guard the milk? I only suggest which sports. It gives direct and indirect employ- we have been telling from the beginning ment to thousands of people. So I request that a military solution alone is the only that the President should not given his solution to solve the ethnic problem of Sri assent to this Bill from Tamil Nadu Govern- Lanka. ment for taking over the Madras Race Club. With these few words I thank you, Mr. Before conc1uding, I would like to say Chairman, for having given me an that in the railway budget a paltry amount opportunity to speak. of Rs. 3 crores has been allocated for the rapid transit system in Madras from wb:re [Translation) I represen t ••. SHRI P. NAMGYAL (Ladakh): Mr. MR. CHAIRMAN: You can discuss it Speak':r, Sir, Shri Faleiro mcved the Motion in the Railway Budgel. of thanks on the President's Address delivered before botb the Houses of Parlia- DR. A. KALANIDHI: Another paltry ment and Shri Zainul Basher seconded it. sum of Rs. 3 crores is allotted for Karur- While welcoming the Motion of thanks, I Dindigul RaHway line. Whenever the would like to say a few words. I do not Question of Tamil Nadu comes they want to repeat what my friends have already conveniently forget. said but I cannot help in repeating some pomts because the subject is very important. When industrialists go to Mr Tiwary, I would like to say particularly about those the Industry Mmister says, 'You come to UP elements who are trying to disturb the and start the industry. ~ I want to know centuries old communal harmony and whether he is the Industry Mmhter of India fraternal feeling and jeopardize peace in or be is the Industry Minister of Uttar the country. Pradesh. When we wanted to expand the X-ray plant at Ooty, it bas gone to Rai In his Address to the first session of the Bareilly. The ordnance factory expansion present ParHament Jast }ear, the President has gone to UP. When we wanted to had outlined the major policies and expand the Defence factory, it has gone to programmes of Government and bas UP. Sethusamudram project is pending repeated ten points out of them in the since years now. The Villivakkam-Anna- present Address. nagar electrification project is also omitted in the Budget" When I say that many I do not wish to go into details of each projects are pending, our Minister should one of them. Besides, he has also outlined listen. People have given a clear verdict in priority areas for 19~ 6-87, e.g., drinking the recent, CIVIC polls and regional water, eradication of illiteracy, vaccination parties have more say in India now. The and immunisation programmet production of Telugu Desam, DMK and the AJADMK oilseeds and improvement of communication. are gammg momentum. In Assam, in But of these fifteen programmes, many have Punjab and in Tamil Nadu and in Andhra already been launched and some of them Pradesh the regional parties are galOmi?, are yet to be launched. Until thCl C is peace strength and the Government of India should in the country, speedy implementation of understand the grievances expressed by the these programmes cannot take place. Many people of Tamil Nadu and try to help us orogrammes have been formulatad to uplift instead of letting us down. the poor above the poverty line. We cannot succeed in achieving prosperity and Finally, the Minister expressed grave unity till there is peace in the country. concern about Sri Lanka which is only GO\ ernmtnt cannot singlebandedly soJve evasive. In Thanga Vellanapuram of the Jaw and order problem and check the Ampara district hundreds of people have been communal tendencies emerging in dIfferent murdered and butchered. The Sri Lankan parts of the country. We cannot succeed in l03 Motion oj Thanks 011 FBBRUAB:Y 26 .. 1986 [Shri P. NamgyaJ] with the daylight robberies and mass curbing the communal scol1rge by merely killings etc. using police and security forces. This cannot TIle prevailing situation in Jammu and be done till the youth, farmers, workers, Kashmir is also very serious. When the teacbers and intelligentsia of the country are entire country was engulfed in communal not actively involved in this process. riots in 1947, Gandhiji had said that Jammu Recently, the Government bab constituted and Kashmir was the only place where one the National Integration Council afresh. could see a ray of hope. But Kashmir of I feel the Governmeut should convene its today is no more Gandhijj's dreamland. meeting and take its help and try and For the past many days curfew has been involve cross section of society e.g. the clamped there and since 1980, when late youth, workers, farmers, teachers and Sheikh Sahib came to power, we have been intelligentsia and formu1ate an action plan witnessing communal riots in the Kashmir so that we could fight communalism unitedly. Valley. It was first sparked off on the It is only when peace is established rhat we pretext of an accident between a tempo and can successfully implement the programmes a military truck. Even at that time some of our dynamic Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv temples were damaged and the shops of Gandhi. We have heard a lot about the minorities were looted. Th is trend went on proposed Nationll Security Force for the increasing day by day. The Jam iat-ul·lslami past several years. It was emphasized that and Jamiat-ul-Tulba and other anti Indian this force should be constituted to deal with elements are taking advantage of the riots, law and order problem and communal situation and creating trouble on one disturbances in the country. This force pretext or the other. Some days back should be constituted at the earliest and Israel bad desecrated a mosque in the there is need to pay attention to its deploy- Middle-East and its reaction was exhibited ment on the recommendation of National in Delhi. Integration Council in order to check such disturbances the country. There have in [English] been communal !'iots in some parts of the country for the past two weeks. There are MR. CHAIRMAN: Please try to certain reasons behind it particularly the conclude. Shah Bano case which was discussed throughout the country. [Translation] SHRI P. N AM G YAL : Please give me My second submission is regarding five minutes more ... "Ram Janam Bhoomi". You may call it a temple or anything else but our Muslim [English] brethren can it uBabari Masjid" and it was reopened on Court orders. Besides, the MR. CHAIRMAN: Not five minutes. question of price rise was played up in such Only one minute. A number of Members a manner by hone Members of opposition are to speak from your party; about 42 are that it added fuel to fire and this resulted to speak. I cannot give you more than one in worsening of the situation. The Govern- minute. Please try and conclude. ment should firmly deal with it and take effective measures in this regard. Here it is [Translation] worth mentioning that in all the sensitive border states, particularly in Punjab, the SHRI P. NAMGYAL: So as far as law and order situation is worse than the the issue of Border States IS concerned I situation which prevailed prior to 1984. would like to bring to the notice of the The terrorist activities a.re continuously House that it is becoming worse. Some increasing there. It is even said that today years back when Bhutto was hanged in no young man of Punjab desires to join Pakistan its reaction erupted in Kashmir Government Service or to do any other VaHey and the Hindu reactionaries in work because they are getting DoHars. arms Jammu started exploiting this situation in a and ammunition from across the border and different manner. This was the first time they ?re putting their adventurous spirit to in .the hi~tory of Jammu and Kashmir that wrona un. There is Deed to deal firml, pro-Pakistani 1101801 \\'ON raised there. TIle 305 Motion 0/ Thank, on PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) tht Prtl/dent', Addrel' 306 Kashmir issue is a cancerous problem and The Address of the President is well everyone is aware that this has been hanging balanced and it gives the fu)] picture of the in the balance for a long time. achievements of one year. It also outline'S what is to be done in the future. Now if I Kindly give me two minutes more and can say so, the year 1985 was an year of I will conclude. Until this issue is not the Government of Shri Rajiv Gandhi properly solved, these incidents wi1l continue both on the national as well as on tbe to happen ... (Interruptions) •• international front. In one year the achieve- ments were in so many fields on the national [Englilh] front as wen as on the international front. Really it is a praiseworthy achievement. MR. CHAIRMAN : Please resume your seat. Nothing more will go on record if In this achievement the President bas you continue your speech. very rightly laid stress on the accords of Punjab and Assam. These two accords [Translation] possibly should have achieved more importance by the public, by the opposition SHRI P. NAMGYAL: The Assam than what it has done. Actua]]y these problem has been solved ... (Interruptions) accords were the victory of the democratic forces over extrimism. This is a victory achieved through negotiations. Really this [English) is a laudable achievement. MR. CHAIRM AN : There is no use in wasting your energy. Nothing will go on In Punjab, tbe Congress party actually record. fought mOle for the integrity of the country tban for the interest of the party. Through the democratic process the election was [Trans/ation] held and the Government was chosen by the people. SHRI P. NAMGYAL : Why are you after me ... ' Interruptions) * * But recently again a trail of events is really disturbing and it appears tbat [English] aU political parties and even tbe Central Government have to be a little more cons- MR. CHA1RMAN: Mr. Namgyal, cious about what is happening in Punjab. nothing is recorded. On no account we are going to repeat the 'operation blue star'. Prevention is better [ Translation] than cure. So. we have to be alert. We cannot say that Mr. Barnala is not coping SHRI P. NAMGYAL: The line of with the situation and he should resign, as actual control ... (Interruptions)·· voiced by some political parties in the press. We have to support him and our [English] Central Government also should keep a strict watch over there. MR. CHAIRMAN: Please resume your seat. 42 persons are to be called from the Regarding the implementation of tbe Congress party. I cannot permit him like Accord, the President Address is quite this .. clear and it has been further clarified in Parliament, by our Prime Minister, that SHRI C. P. THAKUR (Patna) : Mr. the Government is fully prepared for the Chairman Sir, I tbank you for giving me implementation of the accord. One th jng this opportunity to speak on the Motion I would like to say-it is my personal view of Thanks to the President's Address. I and it may not be in agreement \\ith the rise to support the remarks given by Hon. views of my party or others-is that there Shri Faleiro. should be some change in the outlook, in **Not recorded. 90V Motion of'Thanks 011 FEBRUARY l6, 11981 th~ P,e8ldittt·,. ~di1w6 3GB [Sbri c. P. Thakur] going ahead OD different fronts, Bihar is the reorganisation or States on linguistic lagging behind. basis. Now, this Ma'hew Commission Sir. the Green Revolution bas been could not come out with any clear sugges- confined only to a few States and ~}y to tion or verdict about the transfer or areas a few crops. Recently, there was a report to Haryana. The Haryana Government by the Sen Committee and that report has should not demand only Hindi speaking stated that Green Revolution bas not areas. There should be some change in the reached Bihar and other Eastern States. outlook. Why could not some Punjabi So, I request that Government should tak-e speaking area be given to Haryana ? special steps on agricultural front so that adequate improveme~t is made in Bihar. SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMAMURTY : SiT, who is taking note <'f the points made it the House by various ~lembers ? Recently, there was a news item that the Scheme for renovation of Sone Canal MR. CHAIRMAN: The bon. Minister has been shelved. Sir, this Sone Canal was is there. built by the Britishers about 112 years ago SHRI C. P THAKUR : Therefore. and since then it bas not been repaired Sir, I suggest that the Government of and because of the danage caused in the Haryana should be a little more broad- Canal bunds, most of the water in the minded and some action on reorganisation Canal goes waste and it creates hardship needs rethinking on that basis. to the people of that area. This canal irrigates so many districts in Bihar. So, I MR. CHAIR MAN: I think some hone would request that if the Government of Minister must take note of all these points. Bihar has not got adequate resources to Otherwise, what is tbe use of making all finance, for the development of this Sone these points ? Somebody should take not Canal, which the World Rank had estimated of an these points. at Rs. 1200 crores, the Central Government should come forward and belp the Bihar SHRI C. P. THAKUR: Sir,.in Assam. Government for this scheme. This canal is tbe AGP Government is installed through responsible for making some of the area democratic process of election. But they of Bihar as a granary. If it is not saved, are still not reconciled with the Congress it will cause immense damage to Bihar. Party and there bas been some killings of Congressmen in Assam. Therefore, this attitude of the Congress Party in bringing Secondly, on the infrastructural growth accords through democratic process should in Bihar, I would say that Railway also have been appreciated by the people there not has not given adequate attention to and the Opposition as well. that province. We will discuss the details in the Railway Budget, but there is one Now, on economic front, there have been important item which I would like to achievements both in Industrial and agri- mention and that is the railway bridge in cultural sectors and also on all other sectors. Patna which connects the north and south But in these sectors, there was a mention Bihar. This is very important for the of Bihar in yesterday's d:bate about the development of Bihar and that should be labourers from Bihar going to Punjab for taken note of and some priority attention work. I would like to draw the attention should be given to that. of the Government that really some of the successes on agricultural front in Punjab Now, I would like to mention about have been due to the labourers of Bihar. the irrigation facilities in Bihar. The matter But bow long will this problem of Bihar regarding labourers from Bihar was raised labourers continue 7 They don9 t get adequate in the President9 s a Address. The irrigation opportunity in Bihar iteself. Therefore, faciljties in Bihar have been very inadequate they go to Punjab and other States for and unless a comprehensive scheme to tone getting employment. Therefore, Sir. Bihar up other infrastrucatural inputs in Bihar is ' needs special consideration from the Centre drawn up, the problems of Bihar will not be for its development. While the country is solved. !()9 Mot/on tJ/Tlrtmk,,,,, PHALGUNA 7, lJ81 (SAKAl the Preside"t', Addres, 31,0 On the medical front, this target of speeches of the mover and the secoDder u itnmunising the children by 1990 is doing the motion. I have also heard some of the well all over the country and I appreciate that speeches delivered by the members of the and children will not now die of some of Treasury Bencbes yesterday and today. the infectioas diseases. But I would suggest that the Government should make a short I am sorry to say that inspite of what list of essential drugs and these drugs has been said, and certain figures were also should be made a vailable all reeled by my friend, Shri Falerio, yesterday, the time in this country. Some of the the Address contain~d nothing new, nothing countries like Bangladesh and others have spectacular and nothing about which thIS made such a list and they are doing very Government should be proud of. Sir, it was well. In our country, we are making both an unprecedented event that this year's essential 8S well as non-essential drugs and Address started with a boycott by the whole bec3use the non-essential drugs give more Oppo~ition. It harprned sorre two decades profit, most of the companies are making ago and it happened now. Why? We expres- these none essential drugs. A priority 1ist sed our views in the House whd: moving our as suggested by the World Health Organi- Adjournment Motion on the increase in the zation should be drawn up by the Govern- prices of essential commodities. The rise was ment so that the essential drugs are available so unprecedented that we telt that it amoun- to all the needy patients in all the hospitals. ted to an imposition of a new tax because it has never happened in thIS country or in any Health care delivery system also needs other country that administered prices had to be gIVen its due importance. If the heen increased unrelated to their cost of drugs are available and qualified persons production. Now, v.e did not mean any are avaiJable, the delivery system would disrespect to the President of our country improve. The number of unemployed when we boycotted his Address. We made medical graduates is increasing. That should it very clear to him when we met him. We also be taken note of and a comprehensive protested against the unprecedented rise in programme for employment of these Quali- prices and the improper manner in which the fied graduates should be drawn up. Government has increased the administered prices on the eve of this Session. I do not One of my friend of this House raised want to dwell too much on this point because the question of Hindi chauvinism, but I do it has been debated in detall when we not see that Hindi is dominating either in discussed the Adjournment Motion. But this House or in other activities in the today, the whole of India is observing a Government. People from the South should Bandh and the people are very much agitated. not be afraid of tbis. We are very unhappy about tbis. AN HON. MEMBER : Doordarshan is giving more importance to Hindi. AN RON. MEMBER: But Delhi is not observing any Bandh. SHRI C.P. THAKUR: Programme is there in English as also in other languages. SHRI C. MADHAV REDOl: We have exempted Delhi because a Bandit has already It is high time tbat there should be been observed here. We are very mucb rethinking in this respect. Some people say agitated about this rise in prices. I am very tbat English is not our mother tongue. But bappy that one of the Congress members, we are neither developing English, nor giving my friend Shri Sharad Djghe was very vocal proper importance to Hindi. There is no when he was speaking yesterday. He was doubt that Hindi should have been given saying that the rise in prices, partlcularly of more importance. the petroleum products was not proper and that it shou1d be looked into again. I am With these words, I thank you for giving sure that several Congress members share his me tbis opportunity and I support the views. They are only afraid of expressina motion. their views because of the Party's Whip. SHRI C. MADHAV REDOI (Adilabad) : Now Sir, this year staned witb lreat Mr. Chairmaa, I heard very carefully the expeClations and lleat bopes. Whell Rajhji 311 Motion 0/ Thanks on PBBRtJARY 26, 1986 (Sbri C. Madbav Reddi] on and finally today, we have thousands of terrorists coming from Pakistan and creat- came to power; he came wi th a massive ing great problem of law and order. What mandate and be raised a lot of hopes and can poor Barnala do anything about it? people thought that this young Prime Minister Today, it is very easy to blame Shri Barnala. was the man who would solve the problems Yesterday some Member of the House was of the country. He did show some enthu- blaming that Barnala has faiJed. Well, siasm initially and signed the Punjab Accord Barnala, has failed, then what are you and the Assam Accord. ~ He did take certain doing ? Is it not our duty? I want to remind steps which were very hopeful. But I am this Government, that we have, only during sorry to say that these hopes have been the last Budget, passed an Act-Anti- belied and the people are disillusioned. Terrorists Act. That gives us powers concur- Today I can describe the previous year of rently with the State Government. We cannot his rule only as a year of somersaults in take shelter under the pJea that the Law various policy fronts. I will explain these and order is a State subject. Law and order somersaults one by one. is certainly a State subject, but the terrorists Act gives power to the Central Government apart from the State Government to concur- Sir, it has bee&l said in the Address that rently interfere and see that such people are the Punjab Accord has been reached and arrested, prosecuted, put in jails or whatever the Punjab problem has been solved. action is warranted. But we have done Yesterday our friends were telling that it was nothing. the Barnala Government which bad failed. What is happening today? Today, we reached Now, Sir, on the other fronts also there where we were about one year ago before the were somersaults. Our Prime Minister was Blue Star and the problems remain unsolved. telling from the housetops that he is going to This morning the Home Minister was giving clean the administration and he is going to a report on the action taken under the clean the public life. What bas he done? Punjab Accord. He was (elling that be would He has brought people who were defeated in be calling the Chief Ministers of Punjab and the elections through back door and made Haryana and they would sit together and thfID Ministers. It was never done before. sort out matters. And if it is not possible, It was ~ery rarely done in the past. Particu- he told that he would be going to appoint larly during Panditji's time, there was a another Commission. We have already had convention that no person who has been a Commission which had delibelated for six defeated, should be rehabilitated through months and we knew al1 along that it would back doors. be very difficult for the Commission to pronounce any judgement because we knew SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : When the the terms of the Accord. When we were main door is open, Is it through windows ? actually sighing the accord, we knew that it is impossible when contibuity clause is SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: Yes, included in the accord. It was very clear, through windows. Is it the way you are going that it would be impossible for the Hindi- to clean the public life ? Where is the speaking areas of Punjab to be transferred to political morality in it 'I Haryana because of this clause. And you went on dragging your feet and finally what Coming to the other problems, I would happened? We were blind to what was particularly mention about a special technique happening on the borders. We knew that in which our Prime Minister and the Leader- long ago, not now. Today we were told that ship of the Congress is indulging in, what I the Government came to know this now. should call the Opposition batting. Day in But we knew that long ago, that the terro- and day out, the Opposition is being blamed rists were being trained in Pakistan and they for everything. Day in and day out, the were enfiltrating into India. All along the Chief Ministers of the Opposition rules States borders, our BSF is there, it is our responsi- are being blamed for everything. bility, it is not the responsibility of Punjab to see that these terrorists are not allowed Recently, there was a centinary session to enter ioto India. But this weDt on aDd in Bombay. What did tbey do there ? Tbc 313 Motion of Thank, on PHAtGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) the P~esldentts Address ':l14 main attack in that session was only on the You should come to a working under ... opposition parties, particularly tbe regional st~nding with the regional parties. Don't parties, telling that the Regional parties are brmg them on the path of confrontation; and anti-national. They are not patriotic. The when tbey come to the path of confrontation ~egionalism is a menace which is developing you say they are on that path. But yO~ In the country. And tbe opposition rarties don't realize that it is only a reaction to what don't have the sense of history and so on you are doing. and so forth. What was the occasion? Why this provocation? Isn't an opposition Another form of Opposition-batting. a batting? You think that the Opposition ~ery unfortunate development I should say, Parties are not Joyal to this country, regional IS the recent espionage case. parties are not Joyal to this country. Yester- 14.47 brs. day a1so, my friend Shri Zainual Bashir was very vocal in his statement that the regional [S'HRI SHARAD DJGHE in the ChaIr} parties should not come and that we are Take the so-called Ram Swarup case. I do opposed to the regional parties. Then what not want to go into the merits of this case are you? Has not the Congress reduced itself because it is sub judice. It is not my intentio~ into a regional party? Today the so-called to discuss that particular case. But these national parties, have almost reduced to Ram Swarups, these Larkinses are people regional parties, in the sense that they have who pre\; iousJy bad been caught and against been reduced to that level. You cannot belf whom cases are going on. We have no brief it-that is the political phenomena today. for them. They should be condemned and Are you not going to accept this position, se~erelY punished. The Opposition is entirely and develop a working relationship with wIth the Government in this. But I would regional parties, and also with regional party like to ask: what is going on here ? The Governments? Otherwise how are you going Congress Government had harboured all to govern this country-if you are going to these Ram Swarups all these years. Today fight with NTR, Barnala and everybody ? you come out and say that here is a man who is indulging in these things. But all THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE an this was going on before your very e)'es and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND under your nose. And the Congress Govern- FORES1S (SHRI Z. R. ANSARi) We ment failed to catch them and punish them. have got roots in every State. The most unfortunate thing is that while [Trans/ation] prosecuting Ram Swarup, in the cbarge- sheet several important leaders of the politi- SHRI C. MADHAV REDDl : You are cal parties have been named. They are not the elder brother and they ase the younger prosecuted. There is no incriminating ones. So, it becomes )our duty and Dot evidence against them, but they have been their's. If some one is not upto the mark, named in the prosecution. It was done you may point it out. because you wanted to show tbe modld operandi of Ram Swarup. Under this excuse, [English] you have named leaders of the Opposition parties, and maligned them. While describing Not only this; you are going on baiting the whole story, you could have avoided the the Opposition. Today, the regional parties names; but you have mentioned names. have come to stay. Who is responsible for because you wanted to indulge in mud ... this? The Congress is responsible for the slinging; and that type of Opposition-batting present state of affairs, because the Congress is very bad. has been defeated; and the regional parties have established themselves in various 1 would like to demand from the Govern- regions. You have to respect the verdict of ment that there should be an open enquiry the people. The best course is for the Govern- on this whole episode. While the criminal ment to realize this. The sooner you do it, case goes OD, 1 want the Government to the better. ~lS Motion 01 TAanks on FEBRUARY 26. 1986 [Sbri C. Madhav Reddil the seven minutes allotted to me, I would institute a judcial enquiry; We have made it draw your attention to the four points very clear in our memorandum to P.M. OUf mentioned in the Presidents' Address. Chief Minister wrote to the Prime Minister in very strong terms, saying that if anybody The Address has dwelt on the achieve- from his party was named, and indulged in ments of Government and outlined the such things, an open enquiry should be progremmes and policies proposed to be conducted. Elementary etiquette demands followed. The Address states that the that before such a thing is done when leaders Prime Minister paid official visits to of the Opposition parties in Parliament are important countries in the world and named, the Prime Minister should have neighbouring countries as well during the informed the leaders. They should have past one year and strengthened relations taken us into confidence, and to tell us with them. We have been able to understand as to what case Go\ernment has, what their traditions and policies and cI.uified our evidence-incrimInating evidence the Govern- own to them. I appreciate his capacity and ment have to iake their names in the charge- skill to achieve so much a short time and sheet. lhis bas not been done. Even today, congratulate him for this. I want to say that in respect of a11 those Members of Parliament whose names have I would like to point out a few things been taken, information should be furnished in this regard. We are facing problems to the Party Leaders. Their party leaders with countries like England, Pakistan and should be informed and they should be told Sri Lanka. We have held discussions with as to why their Dames have been taken. I them on many occasions and the least I can don't think there is any need for confidential say in this regard is that the success has not enquiry about it; I don't think there is any been satisfactory. need for in camtra trial for this type of case. But if the Government thinks tbat In camera trial should go on as it is and a judicial Our problem today is to check divisive inquiry simultaneously should be taken up; forces that a re working against tbe integrity those people whose names have been of the country. The foremost in this mentioned, they should be given an opportu- category are the Khalistan protagonists who nity to clear themselves and prove their have settled in England. Those who batch innocence. conspiracy to assassinate our Prime Minister are given shelter there. The people in that I am sure, one of the members of the country say that this is India's problem and other House, who is the leader of our Party, they are not concerned with it. We hav9 has been named is innocent; he has given the friendly relations with that country but they perso'lal explanation. Several other members do not help us in solving this problem, whose names have been taken have given which can ruin us. On the contrary they explanations. That is not enougb, because are trying to aggra vate the problem. this is a very seriou~ matter. We would like Besides. what we wanted to achieve through to see that if they are wrong, if they are these foreign tours could not be achieved in involved, they should be punished. Other- England. I would, therefore. like the wise, their names should be cleared this type Government to pay immediate attention to of opposition baiting sbould be stopped. the real problems. Soft words will not I strongly condemn it; I strongly object to it. serve tbe purpose; we shall have to take Even now, I demand a judicial inquiry into concrete steps. These matters should be this even while the criminal case is going on. taken up with the concerned Governments so There is nothjng wrong in it. This particular that the relations could further normalise. aspect should be taken up separately and a So far as improving relations with Pakistan judicial inquiry instituted: I demand this is concerned, it is true- as bas been pointed from this gover~ent with all seriousness out by many bon. members-when we are and that is all I have to say. in a better state of mind we give it a ~erjous thought. Until our disputes are Dot [Translation] amicably resolved, it is no use talking in SHRI SHRIPATI MISHRA terms of improving relations. Instead of (Machhlisbahr) Mr. Chairman Sir, in doiDa so, Pakistan is makiDa efforts to 317 Mo,lon o/77Jank on PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA the Preslde7tt'l Address 318 disintegrate our country and this has been revenue. The Government, Departments, pointed out by the Home Minister as well whether in the public sector or otherwise, as the Punjab Chief Minister. What steps account for 60 per cent consumption of are being proposed to be taken in this regard petrol and the rest 40 per cent is consumed to effectively deal with the situation? This by others. There will be no decline in the should be clarified and some solution should 60 per cent consumption of petroleum be forthcoming. Even jf we improve products. Out of the revenue of Rs. 500 relation~ despite these problems, it is of no crores due to hike in the petroleum produc~ importance. Similar is the position with a sum of about Rs. 300 crOTes wi11 not serve regard to Sri Lanka. Our negotiations any purpose because that amount will simply with them have also led us nowhere. be book adjustment between the Government Therefore, I would like that we should departments. Only for an amount of improve relations with these countries Rs. 200 crores, the Government have provided they desIst from creating problems initidted such fJ.leasures which have agitated in our country and also help us in the people of the country and this has overcoming those problems. weakened your party also. The Government should reconsider the desirability of such a Much has been said about terrorism. In measure. my opinion it is operating in three forms in the country. The first from of terrorism is It has been claimed that the burden on where the terrorists are trying to dlsintegrate account of subsidy on fertilisers on the our country and create another country by Government is quite high. The Government raising pro-Khalistani slogans. Secondly, can discontinue it but they must also they want to undermine the very foundation ascertain the cost of production of fertilisers of our democracy. In the 1985 elections in this country vis-a-vis other countries. terrorism took the form of boo th capturing Efforts should be made to curtail the cost at gun point and it might be repeated in of its production accordingly. the 1990 elections. They want to subvert our electoral system and, therefore, there is 15.00 hrs. need to pay immediate attention to electoral reform. This is the second form of terrorism There is need to pay a ttention towards which is trying to undermine our democratic economics of agricultural production. A set up. Nobody can say with certainty person takes up a vocation with the aim of what the 1990 General Elections have in earning profit. An agriculturist takes store for us-msy be growth of more to cultivation for some economic gain. Unless the profit earned terrorism. through production and marketing of In the third form, the terrorists are agricultural produce is not linked with the usurping the fuods earmarked for develop- industrial profit, the farmer will not be mental work in the runal areas, i.e. motivated to work in the fields. So, there construction of roads, canals embankments. is need to look into the economics of They are forcing the engineers-the sanctiOD- agricultural production. 1 would like to say ing authority-to grant contracts to these a few words in respect of communalism. elements alone. This is being done with Recently, two verdicts have been given by the connivance of bureaucrats. Effective the judiciary. One is by the Supreme Court and concrete steps should be taken to deal and the other is by a Court in Faizabad. A with these forms of terrorism. Bill was also introduced here yesterday in connection with the verdict of the Supreme 1 would also like to draw your attention Court. In the first instance I would urge to mobilisation of funds and re~ources for that we should not disregard the verdicts of our Plans because without funds no develop- tbe Courts. In 1975 a court delivered a* ment can take place. Today, certain things judgement which toppled a Government and have come to our notice in this respect. the judgement was against Indiraji. The prices of petroleum products have been Subsequently, there was great upheava1 increased. Now it is no ulle crying over which led to a chain of events and rising prices. The bike in petroleum products change of Governments. This all bappened win fetch Rs. 500 crores to the Government due to the verdict of a Court. Today, we 319 Motion o/Thanks on FEBRUARY 26, 1986 tltt Presiden,'s A.ddress 320 [Shri Shripati Mishra] measures are taken to eradicate corruption, we can achive still more success in this are trying to circumvent the judgement of a request. court. At present there is appalling poverty in the county and it should be our foremost [English] duty to solve the problems of poverty, destitution and hunger of the downtrodden SHRI MAHABIR PRASAD Y ADAV and not to add to their miseries by leaving (Madhepura) : I thank you, Mr. Chairman, then in the lurch. This step is po1itical1y for giving me time. I an speaking for the motivated. There is need to reconsider the first time in this august House. I share the Bill introduced in the House. In the end, views expressed by the mover and the I would say that national interest should be seconder of the Motion of Thanks to the kept in mind while solving the issues President. The president has been very pertaining to casteism, communalism or rj~ht in raying his Address about bringing regIOnalism. Everyone, whether he is a India on the threshold of 21st century. Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Sikh. must Through the means of socialism, social adopt national interest as the oriterion to security and other measures of the decide whether an issue is right or wrong. Government, India is thought to be in a If the issue is against tbe national interest progressive stage. So far as socialism is then Government or the people need not concerned, I have doubt that India is living accede to it. The biggest party in the in too much Stateism. Imporialism is said country, which is in power, should give the to be exploiter, capitalism is said to be lead in the matter so that other parties may exploiter, but if we take too much resert to also follow ...... (lnterruption~) Stateism, social problems are not expected to be solved if people at large are not taken SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishanganj): into confidence. So far as I understand, And which they are not doing at present. the present day governments, net only in India but all over tbe world, are taking SHRI SHRIPATI MISHRA : I would resort to the means of socialism. But I like say in regard to your statement also, if think socialism is not going to solve all the you belong to the Marxist party, problems. I feel that SOCialism should be ...... (Interruptions) brought taking into consideration the practical aspect of human nature. Human SYED SHAHABUDD1N: I belong to nature is generally acquisitive. More or the Janata Party. less, every man is thinking to take into his SHRI SHRIPATI MISHRA: If you possession as much as possible. I have a belong to the Janata Party then there is feeling-I may be wrong also that the present nothing to say. We have seen the attitude cay government has become like a company of your party before the Accord and after where the shareholders are so many great the Accord. I would like to thank any people. Even the M. Ps. are shareholders. party which has a rational approach towards The lAS Officers are shareholders. The communalism. Corporation Chairmen are shareholders. A small peon or orderly is also a small Taking into consideration a11 these shareholder. The )jon's share of the things if we do not attach importance to dividend of the Government or the State is nationalism and give importance to other going to the upper class of people. Therefore. considerations then the fundamentalistCi socialism should be brought into effect with whether they are Hindus, Muslims of an consideration of the interest of the lower Christians, will stifle the voice of tbe strata of the people. At the same time I progressive people. If we give importance wish to point, out that more or Jess the to the fundamentalists, they would harm our Government is having a policy of cause. appeasement at the home front and also abroad. I bave a feeling tbat it is not a With these words, I support the bad thing to nagotiate; but it is certainly a policies enumerated in the Address. bad thing to negotiate out of fear. We Undoubtedly, we have achieved some success must negotiate for peace at home front and in our efforts. If some more stringent abroad. But we must not negotiate out of 321 Motion o/Thanks 0/1 PHALGUNA 7.1907 (SAKA) the President', Address 322 fear. In this country I have a feeling-I IS.17 hours may be corrected if I am wrong-even the Government is taking into consideration the SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE interest of so many vocal people. The (BoJpur): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am sorry Prime Minister was very much interested I do not find Mr. Sbripati Mishra. I wanted in giving the Thain Dam and the Integral to congratulate him for his very thought- Coach Factory to Punjab. But the interest provoking speech. of Bihar people who have stood by the Congress, who have voted for it, with all Sir, so far as the President's Address is peace and silence, has not been considered. concerned, it bas almost become a ritual I will give you figures. Bihar has got 8 and our Rashtrapati Ji this year also has crores of people. In comparison to other had to read an Address prepared by Govern- States it has got only 9 Universities whereat ment which it working faster to impose U.P. having 11 crores of people has got greater and greater miseries on the people 22 Universities. I would plead the case of and indulging in polemics. One newspaper Bihar and point out that Government should editorial has said, 'It is benal and naive'- take into consideration the interests of I caU inane- inanity, self-laudatory re- Bihar where everything is in backlog. Bihar ferences to its so-called achievements, is having the lowest per capita income spacious projections for the future. except Nagaland. I have a feeling that Bihar out of the map of India. Mr. AN HON. MEMBER: It is like West Chairman, I would make this request to Bengal. Government through you, tha t Bihar9 s interests should be sympathetically considered. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Very good. They say it is like West Bengal. One thing is about social justice. The Therefore, they say it is 'spacious projections late lamented leader of ours, Shrimati for the future, they try to preach v.hicb Indira Gandhi, brought a Bill in this House they have never followed-these are the to rationalise the salary structure of the haH-marks of this year's Presidential country and when the Bill was passed. the Address to the Parliament. Supreme Court had struck it down. Sir, I fait to undetstand whether this august body is supreme or the Supreme Court is supreme. Youthful sentiments alone cannot de1iver This is not the only thing. When Indira the goods. I t cannot be a substitute for Gandhi tried to rationalise the salary sound policies and achievements and unless structure and the Supreme Court stood in one equates' an individual with a nation the way, that point has not yet been made image building cannot be the same as natio~ clear whether this House is supreme or the building. Supreme Court is supreme. Sir, you wilJ appreciate that there is social injustice. In Sir, high flowing and high fiying jargons LIe a matriculate is getting, not in exact and shibboleths and macro or micro terms, Rs. 3200 per month. processers and the like and modernisation per se cannot provide two square meals a da.y to the millions and millions of people of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: t.hls country who are still below the poverty That is at the time of his retirement. hne. With priorities only on paper' and with non-achievement so far as implemen- SHRI MAHABIR PRASAD YADAV: tation is concerned, benefits whatever have In any case, a matriculate is getting been obtained are restricted only to a select Rs. 3200 in LIC. In banks the persons ~ew. The !alk of entry to the 21st century baving even lower qualifications are getting IS a C~~I Joke to the half starving, balf more than so many qualified persons. clad, illiterate or semi-literate mute masses Therefore, I win apl)eal, through you. tbat of this country. So, we are told that our the Government should take into considera- Prime Minister is in a hUrry. For what and tion the salary structure throughout the for whom? To achieve what? Who arc country for aU the classes. Thank you, Sir. his constituents '1 With the value of rupee !2~ Motion oITha""! on FEBRUARY 16,1986 the Pre'ldent~' A.ddreu 324· [Shri Somnath Chatterjee] could even enter, even if you had the ticket. According to him, the power brokers and the now having gone down to 16 paise, with feudal oligarchs and the corrupt and only 50 million educated unemployed, with sanctimonious hypocrites have taken over 100,000 sick and closed industries in this the Party and that corruption has almost country, with· back-breaking burden of high been institutionalised. That is the achieve- prices of essential commodities with primitive ment of the Party and the achieveQlent of conditions of living-without even supply of these Congress Govemmen ts, coming irom drinking water and mtmmum medical the Prime Minister, the President of the facilities-with illiteracy blinding millions of Congress. When he. has criticised the people in this country as majority of our achievements of the Congress Governments people are illiterate, with casteism and , one cannot forget that out of 38 years since religious fanaticism having their sway, what our independence, 3S years have been ruled are and should be the targets and priorities? by the Congress party and out of which That is precisely, the Address has failed to 33 years by one famiJy. I do not mind if identify and indicate. Therefore, as I said, he wants to take upon himself the role of a it has become a mere rima) and a non- mec;saia~ to cleanse the party and the event. We feel and almost every hon. country. But we have beard from him-the Member has said that we are faced with newspaper reports say it and it has not serious problems. They are the problem been contradicted - that the country is of poverty, the problem of caste and benefited by the Congress losing in Punjab communal conflict, the problem of our unity and Assam. Therefore, today country and integrity being at stake, problem of benefits when Congress is defeated. In the fundamentalists ralsmg their heads and interests of the progress of this country and people are getting more and more divided, the poor people. that is precisely what is problem of economic stagnation and problem needed, that Congress must be defeated not of greater poverty among the people. How only at the hustings but it should be wound are these problems to be tackled? Can up as the Father of the Nation would have these problems be tackled by mere announce- desired. ment of certain policies and programmes without proper implementation. without a KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: wen directed policy towards alleviation of poverty? That is why, we ale faced with Why your Finance Minister has resigned gimmics; and make-believe situation and from Ministry and also from your party in problems are accentuating. My friends here protest against your Chief Minister's are only finding dynamism in the young corruption ? Prime Minister, with no result, no action.' PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: The other day, the Prime Minister said Declare the word 'West Bengal' unparlia- that it was a compliment to him. I bel ieve, mentary! in answer to an interjf'ction or a 1;peech of Mr. Dandavate, he felt that it was a SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: The compliment to him that he was fonowing only thing I wish is that you must have a the policies of his predecessor Congress little understanding. Whatever I say, you Governments. What is the track record of misunderstand ! the Congress Government or the Government KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: formed by the Congress Party in the Centre If you attack our Party I ike anything, we and in the States, and of the Congress Party should oppose it. I will not take it from ~ith or without parenthesis. In the speecb, you. I can give you the answer. In the centenary session of the Congress, the Prime Minister lambasted everybody-the legislators, the industrialists, the trade ... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He unionists, the educationists and the Govern- should follow the guidelines given by her ! ment servants. Nobody was spared. But his criticism of the CongFess and the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I Congress Party WI.. the most strident. I do have boe~ trying to precisely understand • Dot ~now whether you were tbere or you what she bas been saJiOB t '~25 Motion o/Thanks on PHALGtfNA 7.1~7 (SAKA) the President's Addreu ~26 MR. CHAIRMAN : You may address but when hundreds of thousands of Govern- tbe Chair. ment employees in this country are asking the Government to bring in suitable legisla- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: tion, including a constitutional amendment, Unfortunately, neither myself nor 60 many t.P do away with this interpretation of Art hone Members are being heard. 310 and 311, the concerned Government does not move. This is the double standard or this Government which they are fonbwing KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE; and which shows that they are surrendering You came from London and so you coold to a section of diehards and fundamentalists not understand my language because I am but will not take any steps for the purpose in India. (Interruplion5) of maintenance of the democratic and consti- tutional rights of government servants in this SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: country ... (1l1te r Ihpr Ot1.'). Certain things are there which are unexplainable. There are serious situations which are SHRI AMAL DATTA: Some pheno- developing in this country. Divisive forces, mena are there which cannot be explained! casteist forces. and religious fanaticism aTe rearing their ugly beads. What is happening in the name of tbis Ram Janam Bhumi ? I SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I am not going iAto the rrerits because the Dever deny. If bon. Members want some matters are before judicial proceedings. But special satisfaction, I am prepared to admit bow one event in one place is having its that it is a fact tbat I lost in the 19th repercussions in so many other places. December, 1984 elections. Communal passions are being rai*d and I am sure nobody in this country will support MR. CHAIRMAN : Don't take note of such occurrences which are taking place. I the disturbance. You address the Chair. am sure-the hon. Home Minister. I am glad, is here; he had to rush to a particular SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: A State to see things for himself-tbese few days back, we had a discussion on the problems cannot be solved if the Government very important questions of price rise. But chooses to appease the obscurantist forces I cannot-avoid raising it again. This is the in tnis country. Unfortunately that his what one matter which has caused tremendous they are doing. hardship to the common' people. Today Bharat Bandh·is being observed. (Interrup- tions). Today, the people are expressing their Our country's integrity is at stake. What is happening so far as the espionage activities great resentment and opposition to the are concerned The charge-sheet submitted totally unjustified and improper levies which ? in one of the cases, the Ram Swarup case. are nothing but an indirect form of taxation. says: They have not had tbe courage and courtesy to come before this House before raising the prices. 'iThe facts and circumstances confirmatively disclose that the US Today also, lakhs and lakhs of Govern- intelligence agencies and tneir functiona- ment employees of different State Govern- ries have acted and implemented a ments are also observing a strike because general conspiracy in respect of Inida their minimal rights under the Constitution, aimed at obtaining through clandestIne 01 security of jobs, have been taken away and illegal means and methods classified by the j udament of tbe Supreme Court. information and documents connected with the defence of the country. Intelli- Yesterday we saw the Government work- gence agencies of the Federal Republic ing overtime and overnight also, it seems. of Germany and Taiwan have actively in t.,ing to undo the progressive jadament connived with US intellisence a,encios of Itbo Su,promo CetU1 in Stnrbabano cue. and their functionaries." 327 Motion 01 Thanks 0" FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the President·, Address 318 [Shri Somnath Chatterjee] principles of the Accord. Today when I I am quotina from the charge-sheet. How mentioned the name of the State, there was long is this happening ? What action has the a lot of commotion. Can the Government government taken ? What action is tbe deny that a Chief Minister belonging to government taking ? their own Party has been openly speaking against this Accord and the Centre was not CIA infiltration is known everywhere. pulling him up ? We have been be ring that foreign hands are trying to destablise this country. What steps SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI: have been taken agaInst these? Subversive He had never spoken against. Do not try to put your words into his mouth. (Interrup- activities of US Imperialism are being carried lions). on in India, it seems, with impunity. Now leaks come out in India press. I do Dot know AN HON. MEMBER: By implication. and I do not make any observation and I am sure all innocent people will be able to come SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : out. But wl}at I am on is that it is affecting Mr. Das MUDsi is objecting just for tbe sake our country's integrity and our country's of objecting. interest. Has it become a playground all for sorts of subversive agencies of imperialist SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : countries? This is a very serious matter Not at all. which bas to be looked into. I request the hone Home Minister-of course, he is not SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: So concerned wi.th jnternll security probably, I far as Punjab is concerned, I believe, to what do not know - but this matter should be I am suggesting every section of the HOl'se immediately looked into. I reque~t the will agree. Chandigarh should be tranferred Government to say what steps they have to Punjab without any delay and the conti- taken in the past and are going to take to nuous Hindi .. speaking areas located in Punjab stop this kind of espionage activities. should be transferred to Haryana simultane- ously. That can be done. Why did the On Punjab I raised a supplementary Mathew Commission address itself to the which created some amount of, I believe, question of finding out the Hindi-speaking discomfort in the Treasury ranks. I said that areas in Fazilka and Abohar knowing that because of the non-implementation of the it was not possible. Everybody in this coutry Punjab accord which we have supported and knows that, and what is this tamasha of a we have supported it because Punjab accord new census knowing that it was not possible? was our policy and we recommended it long By the Hindi-speaking areas not getting back, three years ago and we wanted it to be identified, the transfer of Cbandigath has successfuL .. (Interruptions) It had been been delayed, and the first premise, the basic supported throughout the country, and we postulate of this agreement, is not being had expressed our happiness. But unfortu- implemented, although 26th January has nately, due to drift and dragging of feet, it is passed long back. Then, all measures for the not being implemented fully. What I said digging uo of the canal must be taken up so was, this is being taken advantage of by that the work is completed as per schedule. the extremist forces; I never said that this The work of Water Tribunal should be alone caused extremism. The extremist forces expedited, and all administrative actions are taking advantage of it and are trying to should be taken for the purpose of imple- create difficulties for an elected government menting the project ... which is also unfortunately not abJe to take firm political action and administrative MR. CHAIRMAN PI ease try to action. Therefore, Punjab provides a glaring conclude. example how a good decision, a good accord, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I can be nullified by drift, indecisi on and lack hope you are Dot includinl the time taken in of political will. There has been total interruptions. buogliDl, and we have rseen the spectacle of tbe Chief Minister of one pardcuJar State In the case of Asaam, we bad no doubt openly objectinJ to the Accord, to the opposed the Accord OD the around that it 329 MotIon 0/ Thanks on PHALGUNA 7. 1907 (SAKA) the President·s Address 330 was disenfranchising 'lakhs and Iakhs of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: The people. (Interruptions) When I support the President bas to act on tbe advice of the Punjab Accord, he goes to sleep, but when Government and he cannot act on his own. I oppose the Assam Accord, he becomes alive and awake. Of, course~ now an elected PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : government has come. We wish that Govern- Wrong ad vices, we admit. But he has to ment well. We have no enmity with that function on the basis of that advice. Government as such. But we want that the Assam Accord, so far as protection of the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE minorities is concerned, has to be properly Proposals for setting up industrial under- implemented. Fears and doubts in the minds taking!; are being delayed at the Center of tbe minorities, the linguistic and all other specially where the states concerned are ruled minorities, should be removed. by the opposition parties. I don't wish to say anything which may SHRI BHOLANA TH SEN There is be mis-understood because we want peace no power. What can be done? and amity to come and prevail in Assam and wha tever are our basic objections to the SHRI SOMNATH CHAtTERJEE accord are known. Let the democratic rights Sir, what is the methodology adopted? It is and minimal human rights be preserved in a very easy to give lecture to the States for better atmosphere of peace and amity. greater and more resource mobilisation, What are the sources from which resources Another important point which I wish will be mobiHsed ? Here, the Central Govern- to refer to is with regard to tbe stresses and ment mobilises resources by increasing the strains on the quasi-federal character of this prices of essential commodities. My State country which is our constitutional set up. Government will never do it and they cannot The Bills passed by legislatures of different do it either. . States, especially the opposition States are not being assented to for years. In 1981, KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : a Land Reforms Legislation was passed in Wby was the sum of Rs. 1200 crores tbe West Bengal Assembly. It is gathering returned, not being spent in West Bengal, dust for the last five years in the archives, which was given for the upliftment of the in the corridors of North Block or the poor people ? South Block. A Land Reforms Legislation which will be utilised for the purpose of (Interruptions) distribution of lands to the landless poor, taking the lands which are wrongly recorded SHRI AMAL DATTA: I promised her in the names of the supporters of the a degree; now I take it back. Congress party ... , (Interruptions) SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI : SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Sir, have a point o~ order. would like to I I What can be done 1 As a mortal, an imper- know from the Chair whether while discus- fect human being, with difficulty in the power sing the President's Address we are intitled of expression it has created more difficulties ••• to discuss the rights and the prerogatives of the President also. In his capacity as the SHRI BHOLANATH SEN': Why could President, be gives assent to the Bills. This you not spend Rs. 1204 crores provided by is a pertinent question because he is not the Central Government ? You could Dot questioning the Gove rnment, but he is give electricity; so the industries could not questioning tbe integrity of the President. come up. You have to give the ruling. (Interruptions) (Interruption,) SHRI AMAL DATIA : He is the inter- MR. CHAIRMAN: It can be discussed. preter, but nobody understood it ! He acts on the advice of the Government, always. (lnterruptionJ) ~31 Motion ol1'lrMks IJn FBSRtJAItY 26.1986 MR. CHAIRMAN : You need not Then, Sir, there is 'Serious problem of explain what tile other Member wanted to unemployment. Unemployment has assumed say. serious proportions. With the ban on recruitment in Central Government offices MR. CHAIRMAN : Tbe hone Member for the Jast three years nearly four lakh need'1)ot explain what the other says. I posts are lying vacant in Railway administra- will also request Mr. Chatterjee to wind up two alone. Even the casual employees and conclude. whom Mr. Ghani Khan Choudhury bad employed in the railways we never said they SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE:. The should be dismissed although they were Constitution of India was amended by the illegally appointed-have lost their job. I Government at the Centre when Mrs. Gandhi am appearing for some of there Congress was the Prime Minister ... dismissed employees. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Because they are giving you fees. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FORESTS (SHRI Z. R. ANSARI) : It has SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: This been amended many a time. is your idea of a lawyer. This is tbe difference. Those boys told me that we SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE have come to you because we cannot afford ••. and one of the amendments was to confer to go to Congress lawyers. I appeared or to incorporate provisions for imposition for them in Calcutta High Court and Das of a tax called 'consignment tax'. I do not Muusi will find out from them or probably know whether many members on that side they belong to his ()pponent group. They have heard about this expression. This ~ came from Nadia. consignment tax is in the constitution of India. It is for the benefit of the States, SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI including Congress (I) States. Of course, My opponents are always his friend. That tbeir area is shrinking. The point is that is his style of functioning. Central Parliament has to pass the necessary legislation. Three years have elapsed ~nd MR. CHAIRMAN : Please conclude no law is being passed and we are bemg now. I am calling the next speaker. lectured for additional resource mobilisation. Whom will you tax in the State ? (Inter- SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I ruptions). may respectfully submit that this unemploy- ment problem cannot be solved with the craze We are are not there at the good wishes of modernisation per seu. Modernisat.ion of Shri Girdhri Lal Vyas. I can say with results in diminution of number of jobs. confidence that Decemcer 1984 will never This is going to create an explosive situation. come to West Bengal again. We have seen If you ignore this, it will be at your peril. what bappened in December 1985. More But the young people of this country will not people have voted against Shri S. S. ,Ray tolerate for ever. There is no job created inspite of the vis-its by some of the gIants anywhere, You are introducing automation, as weU as tbe pygmies. We have seen what you are introducing modernisation and you is the verdict of the people there. The point are introducing computerisation. Where are is instead of lecturing to the State govern- the jobs being created '] Factories are closing ments they should pass the necessary down and even the Cental Government legislation. (Intt''' aptlon) factories are closing down. Then, about one lakh factories have become sick and closed MR. CHAIRMAN : -Please conclude down in this country. What win happen to now. those employed in those factories ? . SHRI SOMNATH 'CHATTERJEE : I Wltat about agriculture? Is there any have got only one more point. Tbere is increase in the purchasing power of the Ordinance raj. There is fe-promulgation of common people in the villages? W.bat will ordinances in Bihar GOW j0ined by Kerala. happen to the industries? How can ~r~ be greater industrial .production? Wltcre is miserable. The Constitution has given the ma,ket for their prodw:e? Tberefore, certain protection and. safeguards for these Sir, I submit that these are very important unfortunate have-nots. Backward com- points which should be dealt with while munities, backward classes and the Harijans replying to the debate by the Minister. The are the vast majority of the population in President's Address has become a ritual our country. It comes to about eighty per and does not fulfil the aspirations of the cent of our population. But now-a-days, common man in the country. the upper class minority has started certain agitation in certain parts of the country to SHRIVAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN deny the rights given to these backward (Alleppey): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I support the people including the reservation to employ. Motion of thanks on the President's Address ment, education etc. I am sorry that noth- moved by Shri Eduardo Faleiro. As my ing has been said about it in the President's friend on this side has said, many of the Address. policies and programmes outlined in Presi- dent's Address, last year, have been imple- Article 340 which relates to tbe appoint- mented during the last one year. So, I do ment of a Commission to investigate the not wish to narrate all those things again. condi tions of backward Classes says ; But all I would say is that an earnest attempt was made to implement the anti- U(1) The President may by order poverty programme in this country and I am appoint a Commission consisting of such proud to say that our Prime Minister has persons as he thinks fit to investigate given special attention to supervise the the ,conditions of socially and edu- implementation of these programmes. cationally backward cIassess within the territory of India and the dIfficulties Sir, when the Prime Minister visited under which they labour and to make Kerala, recently, he did not attend any recommendations as to the steps that mammoth meeting in the capital or in the should be taken by the Union or any district headquarters. But he preferred to State to remove such difficulties and to go and see the hying conditions of the poor improve their conditions ~Dd as to the fishermen. Mr. Kurup has seen it himself grants that should be made for the and he should have no doubt about "it. So, purpose by the Union or any State and Sir, the Prime Minister has gone there to see the conditions subject to which such the living conditions of the poor fishermen. grants should be made, and the order He also visited the hill areas where the appointing such Commission shall define Scheulded Castes and Scheduled Tribes are the procedure to ~ _be followed by the living and also other areas where agricultural Commission." labourers are living. Sir, he has personally inspected the implementation of the 20-point "(2) A Commission so appointed Programmes. I would say that it has given shall investigate the matters referred to . an impetus in the implementation of the them and present to the President a 20-Point Programmes and anti-poverty pro- report setting out the facts as found by grammes in the entire country_ It is said them and making sueh recommendations that the President's Address has outlined the as they think proper." basic strategy of the Seventh Five Year Plan, particularly er adication of poverty in the And the next one is very important. It country. So, I congratulate the Government reads: for giving top priority for this programme. The mostpainful thing is about the basic "(3) The President shall cause a minimum requirement of a small hut for the copy of the report so presented together poor. It is quite laudable that an amount with a memorandum explaining the of one hundred crores of rupees for the action taken thereon to be laid before construction of houses for the Scheduled each House of Parliament.u Castes and Scheduled Tribes and for the freed-bonderl labours has been provided for I do not know whether a copy of· the each year. Sir, the conditions of the back- report has been laill before this House. But ward classes and the Harijans are very I know that no action has been taken on 335 Motion of Thanks on FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the president,s Address 336 (Shri Vakkom Purushothaman] have taken certain measures to p·rocure copra from the open market at Rs. 1200 per the MandaI Commission report. As per quintal. it has not resulted in the price rise the provisions of Article 340, the Govern- of coconuts. ment had appointed the Mandai Commission. That Commission had toured throughout the country, taken evidence and submitted its 16.00 hrs. report in 1980, but no action has been taken Sir. cocount is the poor man's crop so far. Under Article 340, it is mandatory in my States. So, the fall in the and it very clearly demands that a memo- prices of coconut affects the entire economy randum explaining the action taken thereon of the State. Last year, during last shall also be laid on tbe Table of the House. February the cocount growers were getting Is it not a mandatory provision? Why has Rs. 4 per nut. But this February they are no action beeo taken so far by the Govern- not even getting Rs. 1.50 per nut. This is ment '1 a very miserable position. Almost aIJ the We, the Congressmen, are the protectors growers are small growers. Even an owner of these backward classes, backward com- of 10 cents of land (which be got due to the munities and Harijans, I very humby request implementation of land reforms) is a cocount that immediate action should be taken by grower. So, immediate steps should be the Government for implementation of the taken to guarantee a fair price for these Mandai Commission Report as early as cocount growers. possible. In the President's Address it is stated Unemployment is a very big problem in that the import of edible oil is well above our country. Of course, the new Industrial the limits that our country can afford. Why Policy will have to generate more job should we import so much of edible oil opportunities in this country in the inc'ustrial when cocount oil which is the best edible oil sectors. We are duty bound to give employ- is available in plenty and when the growers ment, whether direct or indirect, to all the are not getting even a reasonable price? We citizens of this country. No man should be must reduce the import of edible oil because allowed to starve because of unemployment. Government themselves have admitted that The Kerala Government is giving unemploy- this is a very big problem for them. So, I ment wages to the unemployed youth. That request that immediate steps should be taken should be implemented in al1 the States and to help tbe poor cocount growers. it should be a compulsory scheme. I am very bappy to note that in the The crop insurance scheme has been President's Address it is stated that tbe in operation in crertain parts of the country. Government will take new initiative for the It has been implemented in my States also. promotion of tourism. As you all know, Kuttanand is the rice bowl of Kerala; Kera]a is a very beautiful State, comparable during the last floods the entire crop has to any other tourist centre in the country. been damaged, but the poor farmers are not There is much scope for the development of ' getting the benefit of tbis crop insurance tourism in my State. When our Prime because of certain minor technicalities. I Minister Rajivji and his wife visited KeraJa , request the Government to give instructions they were very thrilled to see tbe snake-boat to the concerned authorities to give the race in the Vepanad Kayal. There is an benefit of crop insurance to all the concerned island in Vembanat Kayal. This can be farmers and the deserving ones, who have developed as one of the ~fost beautiful joined this scheme of crop insurance. tourist centries in the world. I request tbe Government that some priority should be For the last one year, we have been given to Kerala, especially to Alleppey which repeatedly requesting the Government to take is called the Venice of the East. It is my appropriate steps to defend the coconut constitueney too. growers and help them to get a fair price for their COCO.luotS. Even though the State I once again support this M OtiOD of Government and tbe Central Government Thanks moved by Sbri Faleiro. 337 Mdtlon 0/ Thanks on PHALGUNA 7. 1907 (SAKA) the Prelldell'" Atldre" 338 SHRI MUKUL WASNIK (Buldhana) : people throughout the country bad welcomed Mr. Chairman, Sir, I thank you very much Punja b and Assam Accords. The Govem- for giving me an opportunity to speak on the ment today reiterates the faith in implement- Motion of Thanks on the President's Address ing both the accords while protecting tbe moved by Shri Faleiro. interests of these who are concerned with it. Sir, we are very proud to recollect the Today, the Government has fulfiJled its achievements which we could have in the promise to give an elected Government in last one year. The Government, whatever both the States. The Government may be of promises that it had made in the beginning, different parties, but we have fulfilled our - has tried its level best to fulfil them. And promise to establish democracy again. People today it is a fact tbat most of the things have won, democracy have woo, and tbe which had been promised last year have Congress too has won because it has fu1fllled been fulfilled. There has been larger emphasis its promise. If anyone has to say that the on the Anti-Poverty Programme. The Congress has lost, it bas not it has won Scheduled Castes, the Scheduled Tribes, the because it has fulfilled its promises. Today. backward classes, and the down-trodden we are proud that we had beeD able to do people are getting proper attention for their much more than what we had promised to development. The commitment to the nation, the nation. There may have been certain that we wi11 be giving a clean public life has shortcomings, but Ihe Prime Minister bad also led to pass the Anti-Defection Bill in recently said that we will not rest, for if we tbis very House and that is an Act today. rest, it will be a betrayal of millions. or We had passed the Anti-Defection Act to people who do not rest. He has said that we give the nation clean public life, at the same wilJ not rest, we will carry on our work '0 time, we have also tried to curb the corrup- solve the problem, to develop the nation at tion which is prevalent in the country. We a fdster pace. Today the Opposition I.u have seen that the black-marketeers, the called for a nation wide bandh. Why tbis smugglers and the tax evaders are dealt Bandh bas to be called, when the Govern- properly. They know what is their future. ment is tl'}ing its level best to lead the nation And it is also a fact that the collection of at a faster pace? taxes in the last one year has increased by 22 per cent which is the highest in one Recently, there was an increase in tbe decade. There are many other achievements- prices of certain commodities. Government achievements on the national issues, the was not bappy to increase tbe prices, but the so]ution of various problems faced by the people who are sitting in tbe opposition, tbey country and also on the international were the hariest persons because they felt scenario. We have seen that it was India's that this is the rope to which they can catch initiative which has led to the formation of and go forward. But today, when the Rail- SAARC in South-East Asia. way Budget was presented here, tbe most 16.07 hrs. unhappy people were the very same people who were happy when there was an increase lSHRI V AKKOM PuRUSHOTHAMAN in the other prices. in the Chair] We have also seen that the Prime Certain points were made by Mr. Minister in various speeches made at the Madhav Reddy today- He bad said tbat Commonwealth and other places have raised those who had lost in the Lok Sabha elections the problems of various other countries had been brought indirectly or by back door. which are still being under imperialism. The 1 would like to put a straight question were two major steps which the Government bad all those who had lost in the last Lot Sabha taken are regarding Punja~ and Assam. Elections unclean ? If that were so, tben the These steps had once again assured the situation is clear. people that it is the Congress and it is the leadership of Sbri Rajiv Gandhi which will I would like to mention here that the try to keep the country united. The people PIime Minister who bad promoseci to the Who are sitting on the other side and th~ D~tiQn that be W9uld ~iv~ ~ pew Educati09 ~39 Motlo" 0/ Thanks 0" FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the Presidentts Address 340 (Sbri Mutul Wasnik) representatives from those regions bad time policy, bas initLiated last year a debate on the and again requested the concerned Govern- new education policy. Tho debate was carried ment to establish Development Boards as on throughout the nation. Various univer- mentioned under Article 371(2) of the lities bad seminars on this issue, and various Constitution. In this regard, on 3rd May State Goverments and district bodies had 1984 the then Home Minister had assured in conducted seminars on it, giving their views the Rajya Sabha that development bOdeds would be formed in Maharashtra and on .as to wbat type I of educational policy the ~try needed. Shortly, the new education this particular issue on 26·7-84, a resolution pelicy would be announced. The present was unanimously passed in the States Legis- education system has led to many problems. lative Assembly of Maharashtra which was Ono such problem lies in imbibing in the forwarded to the Central Government to miads of children, the moral and social form development boards. But there has been values. I would like to request the Minister a considerable delay on this and no proper coocerned that while announcing the new answer to this has been given up till now. oducation policy. special emphasis must, be We will like that these developments boards placed on the syllabus. so that education must be established in Maharashtra at the could try to inculcate among the students the earliest so that every region of Maharashtra basic moral and social principles. can develop together and therefore it must be dealt with properly. With regards to the syllabus, the new edu- I, once again, thank you for giving me catiop policy must ~e that tbe Plus-Two stage becomes a terminal stage. Today, it is a an opportunity to speak on the Motion. I fact tbat student. who go in for graduation, support the Motion moved by Mr. Faleiro. dp so because, they cannot find employment. Tbere l~ no alternative. So, they have to go SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI in for~,furtber education. It is a compulsion (Bhubaneswar): Mr. Chalfman, I rise to for them. We would request the Minister support the Motion of Thanks on the Pr~si see tbat the policy is framed in such a way dent's Address moved by my friend, Mr. that every student is able to go in for self- Faleiro. employment after the Plus-Two stage. I am reminded of one of the famous It is true that even after independence, poets Robert Frost's poem, who in his 4Hre are 80IPC Stages in the country where immortal poem has sa id : . there are DO Universities established till date. If tlsere is DO University, education wiU not "That two ways lead into the wood . prosper.. There are certain States in the and I took to the road less travelled DOIth-eastem region where there are no by." universities. I would like to stress here tbat univenities must be established in every And that makes all the difference. State in the country. In the development of different countries Many problems arise because of illiteracy and Societies, some countries have accepted .R9WaiUna, in the country. Special empbasis the democratic way of life for their deve10p- \ must be laid on tbis also. We ar~ happy that ment; there are some other countries in the JlIe P~ident's A~dress lays emphasis on this world which have accepted socialism as their .,.IsD. In this connection, I would say that objective but not democracy; there are still ... ~~}), services, of tbe Nee and NSS cadets other countries which have accepted demo- ,wbpJll" W4' have tlllioed, must be utilized in cracy but. not socialism. In our country, ~. out the PJ',ogrammes to eradicate our foundlDg fatber-because of the long Dliteracy iD the counirg. sacrifices that minions of people underwent for freeing this country from foreign doo,i- LutJy, I "ould like to speak about a nation and Mahatma Gandhi's inspiration .Problem being faced in Mabarashtra. There and leadership was there-this nation resolved are certain reaiOOl iD Mabarashtra which to take the path to achieve socialic;m through ~ ~'" iO""'·~loped, So, J= people', a d~ocratjc process, Therefore, all tb~ ~41 Motion o/Thanks on PHALGUNA 7, )907 (SA£4) problems that we face today, had it been century has come in its life. That is becauae one way, either democracy and no socialism it remains always relevant to the aspiratioDl or socialism and no democracy, then, of the people and the changes that are perhaps, all this confusion, al1 the crisis that needed. we are facing today) ~hould have been less. On the other hand, there are more problems. • You can read tbe history of bUD18D civilization. More than 21 civilimtlODl Therefore, what I would like to present perished in this world because they could not before the House is what the President has be relevant. The mammal . of > ODe IftftUbn summarised in his Address to both the years, whose body weight was 4(J tmttintls,l Houses of Parliament that from a feudalistic but whose brain was only one OOhee 'bi society, after our independence, to develop- weight could not surVive. There are l'otiticat ment of indus try through the capitalistic parties in this country' whiclt hav~' tltc!bJd process, we are marching towards the estab- so irrelevant. They have b~ome s() irrelcvlilt' lishment of the socialist society in our country to the demands and aspirations of tb~ people' having different castes, communities and that they only thrive on counter-actions and creeds in spite of Millions of problems that on negative facton. If any - action is 'talen an underdeveloped country is facing. There- by the Congress or 1he Goverrnnerit I they fore, I would just like to bring to your notice only counter act. They thrive on that counter- before I begin, what are the main achieve- action only-not in a'ny positi~e' lcfions. ~. fa ::. ments that we have achieved even during the last one year. SHRI SOMNATH CFATIERJEE : That tbe people will decide; they have already decided. . .~. I would like to refer to what the speech Mr. Gorbachev had made in the 27th Communist Party Congress meeting recently. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHl : That will give an idea to the friends in the They thrive on a negative poilosopb, and opposition what the Soviet Society now feels what happed in Hyderabad ? after 6S years about their condition of development. He said : SHRI S, lAIPAL REDDY: We thrift on counter-action and they tbri~ tOD "The problems piled up more reaction. rapidly than they were resolved. Inertia and stiffness in the forms of administra- SHRI SOMNATl:I CHATrER.JF.E: don, a reduction of dynamism, the piling You were also in that boat for a 10DI time. up of bureaucratism all this inflicted no small damage to our society and our AN HON. MEMBER: Not in the same cause. It was no\'1: the country's task to boat. overcome these negative factors. Sign of stagnation has begun to surface in the SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHl: Soviet Society because of the inertness of I am suggesting-what bappcaed in Hydeta- the administration, decline in work bad in the Municipal elections in aacIl. dynamism and bourgeoning of the short time ? bureaucracy" . Ultimately, he has said that "in recent years SHRI SOMNATH CHA1TBlUEB: their leadership has fallen behind the demands Tamii Nadu ! of the time and life itself." If this could bappen to Soviet Society, what contradictions SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHl: we must be facing in a democratic society If you have a negatiVe approach 1,- doef1K)t like ours. What I like to mention here is pay all the time. Therefore, ....t 'I J'Wo8ld that civilizations and societies and organisa- like to submit is ••. (InterraptiMuY tions survice when they become relevant to the times. Why is it that Indian National SHRI SOMNATH CHATTEllJEE: Congress surviving for the last one bundred You are ''SUCh a 'niCe ~,' ~ -W lMif/tyOu years '1 One century is over and the second there? I : 343 Mot/on 0/ Thanks on FElntOARv 26, 1986 the President's Address 344 SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: You know that employment potential Sbri Somnath Chatterjee must be very was creating up to four per cent per year, unhappy sometimes, Sir. whereas so far as the labour force is concerned, it has risen from 2.5 per cent to 2.6 per cent per year. . Therefore, in the SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Why is he Seventh Plan this strategy has been adopted stiiJ there ? and I hope we shall succeed. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: Another important task we have taken Sit; I like bonourable Member, Shri Somnath up is reduction of the poverty ratio, which Chatterjee. You see, some (tmes banks was 37 per cent in 1984-85 and which-we misled and has so much of anti-congress hope-will come down to less than 26 per bias that he misses all the grain, and only cent in 1989-90. Therefore, these are the thrives on anti-Congressism. (Inter- two most burning problems that we have "'pilon,) undertaken. And in the last one year, if we compare, what was the body temperature This fear of the inftuen,ce of Congress, of the Nation and how many confronting bow does it affect them ., problems have been solved. This is the time when democracy has triumphed over Shri Chatterjee must be knowing; I terrorism in Punjab and in Assam. Now, am here for the last so many years and he those people who are elected on the is here also. What was the position in 1967 mandate of the people in Punjab, it is their and what because the position after 1971 responsibility to see how the democratic tbat be knows and we know about it. process that has been generated and Therefore, the people < of India are very established is survived in Punjab. Through conscious of this negative characters in the all the turmoil, difficulties and sacrifices, dralna, tbe Indian drama; they studied them those people have got the mandate through and tbey have ultimately decided to safe- democratic process. Now, we have to see pard the integrity and unity of this country. whether they will be able to retain it. If That is the great thing. they cannot do it, then it is for the people of Punjab to decide. If democratic process Therefore, the biggest problem in the is not restored, I think, the people of country before us today is ... (lnterruptions) Punjab will react to this. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: There is another achievement in Assam. Some people will never learn and some I recently had been to Assam. I could find people have lost all seDse of shame, how the new Government there is trying to fully implement the accord. And they MR. CHAIRMAN : They are trying to squarely take the responsibility for that. take your time. You continue. Another problem to which I would like SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: to draw the attention of the House is Somnath Chatterjee is taking so much price communalism. It continues to pose a that shri Siddharth Ray has been defeated serious threat to our national unity. The and be has won, as if some great thing has biggest challenge before us is to see that this come to him. Therefore he is taking aU demon, this monster is completely controlled. these things in stride. That is one of the first tasks before us. I will be careful about these inter- Our Government is committed to have a roptions. Therefore, the challenge of growth clean public life and to have such an which has come before this country is before administration which is free from corruption. us clearly. You knowt the problem of All these years, efforts have been made creation of employment is a great problem towards that end. During the last one year in this country. We have therefore assigned many steps have been taken against corrupt tbe important priority for it in the Seventh public servants and business-men, however Five Year Plan. Creation of employment important they might be. All this is done bas been Biven the top priority. to see that clean public life and also clean 34' Motion ojThankl 011 'PHALGUNA " 1907 (SAKA) the President's Address 346 public administration is achieved. This is Thermal Plant, whose capacity of power one of the good things that our Government generation is 480 MW, is generating only is doing and we must all stand by the 180 MW today. So, not even 35 per cent. Government in this regard. But within If we generate even 280 ~IW, there will be six months, the people from the other side, no power famine in Orissa and you can do have started telling that the image of the it. Government has gone down. Why do they Another important question which say so '? Because it is during this period I would like to bring to the notice of the that there were more raids on important Government is the problem of short supp1y business men and many corrupt officers have been thrown out .. The people from the other of kerosene. Th~ Central GoveIllille.. t is despatching kerosene in sufficient quantity to side may not agree with the Government different States but have recently been to on this, but the entire country will stand by I Orissa and there 1 saw that it was being the Government. sold at Rs. 6 per litre in the Villages. The The capital goods industry which is the traders have combined together. They are mother industry, should be set up in this creating a psychosis tbat no kerosene is country so that it can help setting up more available, and now they are selling it at and more auxiliary industries. The tempo Rs. 6 per litre. So, the people are suffering of development of capital goods industry very much. I, therefore, request the hone which was noticed in 'sixties is missing now. Minister that either there should be sale of Therefore, we shall have to accelerate this kerosene in the open market or the Centre tempo of having more and more capital shou!d monitor these things. I again support goods industry with our own resources so the Motion of Thanks moved by Shri that we do not depend upon others. We Faleiro. must be self-reliant in this regard. Whatever SYED SHAHABUDDJN (Kishanganj) : sacrifices are needed, we are prepared to do Mr. Chairman, Sir, once upon a time a that so that we do not fall in the debt trap powerful queen ruled this fair land of ours of capitalist countries as has happened to called "Bharat'. After she was assasinated many other countries. Our debt burden by a disgruntled palace guard of hers, her ratio should not become such that 40 to chairming crown prince took over the reins SO p.er cent of our earnings go for amorti- of the kingdom and he beckoned the people sation or debt-service payment. who regarded him as a prince charming to his forest of Avden, telling them that there About power, there appears to be a was no winter and no rough weather, and continuing imbalance between power demand the people flocked to his borest of Avden and supply in certain regions of the country. and beside his round table, around which In some States, there is an adequate supply sat his knights in their shining arm out of power while in some other States there hoping for the best and then they found tha; ~s continuous power cut. In Orissa for days there was nothing but winter and nothing and days together from last December but foul weather. Mr. Chairman, it is in onwards, there has been continuous power this dark junge that we find ourselves today cut. The industry is suffering. Workers and even the tracks and the paths in this are facing retrenchment. The economy of jungle cannot be seen. There seems to be the State is suffering like anything. There no way out from where we are. The should be an integrated national power grid. President's Address does not express that Wherever there is a surplus power. it should agony of ours in realising tba t we seem to be given through that grid to the deficit areas have lost the way. We are a bewildered lot so that the power crisis in States like Orissa as a nation today. Tt d,'es not rcl1~ct tt~ is over. agony uf the pe,-.ple, it does Bot retl~cr the discontent outside, it does not reflect the If you analyse the present unutil~ed anger of the masses, it does not reflect the plant load factor of the thel'mal plants, you cries which do not pierce through the walls will find that even if we utilise one per cent of the ivory tower. more tban what we are utilising now I we will be giving to tbe country a revenue of The President's Address that we are Rs. 500 crores every year. The Talchar discussina today is full of homilies and full 347 Motion 0/ Thanks on FBBRUA,RY 26~ 1986 [Syed Shahabuddin] old shoddy manner. The President's Address is nothing more than the rather haphazard of half truths. It is full of inane and balance-sheet of a shoddy shop-keeper. common-place observations, but it does not provide us any cause of hope. I t is couched Mr. Chairman, the Address prides itself in a very trendy jargon. It talks about on the Assam and Punjab accords. I do not mounting scientific missions and 'Thrust have to dilate on the situation. If there is' areas' and it talks about sophistication. It one thing that is needed in Assam and has, of course, a tone of rather unjustified Punjab, it is social reconciliation. And self-righteousness and back-slapping. But Mr. Chairman, I want to ask you today, are my basic question is this that does It answer we nearer social reconciliation, whether it is the question 'Are we a happier people Punjab or whether it is Assam? Have the today, as individuals and as a nation than Goyernment been able to control the reign we were a year ago when this Government of terror in Punjab? Have the Government took over? been able to provide a sense of hope to tbe minorities of Assam? This is my question. This one year, that has gone past, has seen a devaluation of institutions, an AN HON. MEMBER: Ask Mr. Barnala erosion of values. It has seen many also. reshufflas, shuffling of the packs as if the shuffling of the cards would "hange the faces SYED SHAHABUDDIN : My question of the jokers. It has been a year of lost is addressed to the country; we are speaking opportunities, it has been a year of here as patriots and as nationalists and we diSillusionment, it has been a year of gross are not speaking here in any partisaii mismanagement of the country's economy, manner. Govetnment is insensitive to the it has been a year which has seen conventions alination of tbe pebple. Government bas and traditions given ago by and yet the failed 'to re,:apture tbe bearts and minds or tone of the Address is as if we are going the youth of Punjab and the Government somewhere. This year has seen the deliberate has fa ired to give a new sense' of hope to the denigration of the opposition which, as you people who were massacred in Assam not know, Mr. Chairman, is as important to very long ago. Mr. Chairman, regionalism democracy, to democratic functioning of has taken deep roots in our coun'try. We parliamentary institutions, as the ruling think tbat regionalism is a transient pbeno ... party. It has seen demoralisation in the menon. We alsb think tbat regionalism ranks of the bureaucracy which is equally will go if the Central Government would essential to the rUDning of a good govern- behave generouslY and att coi1ectly' Wntl ment. It has seen the appointments of fairJy by one States. Yet. what we have subodars who appear from nowhere and are seen in this the year is tbat regionalism bas suddenly given the reins of power and the struck its tentacles deeper into tbe soil bf authority to rule over vast Dumben of our country. Chauvinist and Fascist totces people. It has also seen a sence of are stalking the land; they have acquired a uncertainty creep in upon the people, sense of respectability, they are paralting because of this centralised exercise of power, in the streets shouting abuSive stoga~ where even Ca binet Ministers do not know humiliating sectioDs of our people and what to say. And, Sir, certainly tbe Chief obscurantism stems to hold sway in this Ministers don't know what to do. Mr. one year that bas pasled. Pe'tbaps - with Chairman, this one year remind. me as if the covert blessings of the powers that~. there was a textbook exercise in management. The Prime Minister is never tired of tellinl A new manager has taken over. Therefore, us tbat be ts taking ut 1o,,-,.n1s the 21st the'" office must be ousted lhe facade must be century. Look at tbe violence 'bat is 'tben: repainted, the furniture must be arranged. in the country. And the violence is not Some faces also must change. Does is mean only on the part of those whose business it that there is a new business 1 Does it mean is to 1X violent. the tertorists;~ the tltolence that tbe business has suddenly started is on tbe part of tbe State and the StAte' is showing some profit, some signs of going moving' steadily towards transfOrtning l~elt somewbere, of taking off 1 No. I t is the into a Police State. For the firs'! tit\\e tbts same old sboddy business, done in tbe same nascent democraCy of ours bas a'MbiiatCr' PHAL"OUNA 7. ·1907 (SAKA) the Pre,ideni', AJdre" 3S0 of Internal SeCurity'. That reminds me of Commission. You have not cared to Hit1er and Stalin! We are moving towards implement any of the recommendations of totalitarianism. We are seeing a situation in the prevIous Administrative Commissions. which bUUlan rights ate being persistently Citizens today are disenchanged with the violated throughout the country. More judicary. It appears to have lost Its elan, people have died in Police custody during it must have slowly become a prisoner of last year than perhaps inS any other preceding esta blishment. It gives all sorts of orders. year. This fact has not been mentioned This is not the time to criticise judiciary, I in the President's Address. PeopJe are being will not do that, but the fact is that there is shot in cold blood and the Government is dissatisfactIon and dIscontent and the silent, the President is silent. Political. Government cannot even fill vacancies in the insensibility and State violence, Mr. Cbair- High Courts, vacancies \\hich have arisen man. I must warn, will always breed years ago. It takes them two )ears or terrorism. Atrocities against sections of three years to fill up vacancies and yet, you the people, whether it is Harijans, whether say, 'We shall give ready justice to the it is minorities, whether it is women, whether people.' There is today an onslaught. Mr. it is dowry deaths or bride-burnings, whether ChaIrman, a ddlberale oDslaugth, an the tension is between castes or communities, orgamsed onslaught agalOst the fights of the some day we will have to pay for this. weaker sections, against the Hanjans, against Those who are responsible for maintaining the Adivasis, agatnst the backward classes, and creatin g special tensions have to against the minorities. Today, even the answer before the bar of history. Narrow- prInCiple of reservation is beIng Questioned minded and short-sigbted calculations will in our country. The MandaI Commission's Dot do if this country has to live and if tbis Report has been consigned to oblivion, it is nation has to go forward. forgotten. The GopaJ SlDgh Panel Report presented in June, ] 983, three years ago has Mr. Chairman, tlie Government have just not even been t..lbled here. Mrs. Gandhi's recreated the Natiopal lnt,egration Council. 1S-point programme, a directive for the " ,.. ,....- '* 1;.4 I would like to ask them: Please for God's welfare of minoflties was issued three years sake, 'look at the past repolrts, 'dust them up ago, not one report has come before the and first try to impiem~nt the recom- Parhament to tell us whether it is imple- I IJ" II .j .. menc\ations that are already there on your mented or not being implemented. Or what 4. ~ ~ .. table before you call us again. is the state of its implementation '? You have not taken care to discuss one single I Mr. Chairman, corruption has become report of the Mmorities Commission in this socially accepted, black money has not only House. How long shall Wf' be fed on .ta~en possession of our economy, it has promises or merely on dIagnosis ~ithout taken posses~ion of our souls, of our political remedies? You shed crocodJ1e tears on s)'s~e.m. PoHtics is the source spring of child labour and bonded labour. How many corruption and those wbo talk of banishing milhons of people under ~ondage ba\ e been corruption from our midst are wallowing in released? How many chlJdern have been corruption, they are thriving in corruption, taken away from work and sent to \\ here their entire business stands on corruptjon. they belong, to the schools to read and to And those who talk about cleansing tbe the parks to play and to enjoy a bit of pub~ic life by bringing in an anti-defection sunshme and fresh air? How many schools measure, should we permit them to forget have been prOVIded with playgrounds '1 You , that J~ey have sti]} got governments on their talk of television and you cannot provide side which are based on defection '? They pencils to the children. I l !aJk abo\lt tef~rm. Everything needs to be Mr. Chairman, I just now said that reformed because a new king has taken over, bureaucracy was essential to good Govern- ~ "new era bas ~un.lu~icia\ reform, electerat ment. The bureaucracy today is as reform, educational reform, industral reform, demoralised as it never was SInce pol~ refo~" administrative reform, but what Independence and under Article 311 (2) yOU .lyt,,~n a~hieved in this one year except have virtually gh en the destiny into the (,.b9~t\1'!g these slopn~? ":lou ~a"e not cared bands of the jn~mediate superier. Jf 'he $p implCJll9llt a sin;e rcpor\ 9f lite Police iJnPleditlte spperier says sQmetbinJ, be if 351 Motion o/Thanks on FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the Pr~sldent" ..4ddresl '3.)1 [Syed Shahabuddin] happy with the price that it is receiving 7 Is it a remunerative or fair price? Has the gcve, on court, no kacheri no safai no pe.,hi. public seClor become at all more efficient 7 One report and he is gone. Nothing could You cannot judge its efficiency or be worse than totalitarianism. productivity merely by raising administered prices. 'Raising admini$tered prices does not Much has been said about education, prove that it has become more efficient or Mr. Chairman, in the President's Address. more accountable or more productive. We The basic flaw is the eliti~t approach have cleaned the Ganga, beautifully. We and very low order of priority that have not, of course, looked at the Gangotri they give to tnvesrment in education ; of corruption. Look at the natural although they talk about developmenC environment. After the Bhopal gas tragedy, of human rescurces, there has bepn no have they become at all wiser? My little progress in the last one year towards daughther asked me the other day complsory primary education or towards mass literacy. The three-language formula [Translation] is being slowly abandoned. The rights of linguistic minorities have been thrown Daddy, they are again going to reopen overboard. You speak of culture in a the Shriram factory. country where we cannot . provide even one year schocling to our children. [English]· , ~1r Chairman, statistical jugglery will SHRI AJA Y MUSHRAN (Jabalpur) not hide the fact that many people are living She asked a wrong man. beiow the poverty line. What you have done is not to raise the people above tbe SYED SHAHABUDDIN Unfor- poverty line. You have merely lowered the tunately, she has the wrong person as papa. poverty line so that less number of people appear to be below it. Mr. Chairman, they say "How are you going to meet the expenditure" ? How to Mr. Chairman, I would like ask a few meet the outlay on the investment? Yes, questions on the economic question. Have that is a fair question and the country inflation and price rise been controlled in should be prepared to take a hard decision. the last one year ? At the constant price But is it a right decision to cut the_ level, has the rate of growth of GNP been consumption of energy? Doesn't develop- subtantially hIgher than the rate of ment depend on the consumption of power? population ? Has tht: I U nber of Is it not that development is measured in unemployed gon~ down? 1~ the food times of consumption of energy. I would production lagging behind the growth of like to know has the utilisation of the population or surpassing the growth of installed capacity of power generation in our people ? Has the per capita availability of country shown any improvL:ment during the essential goods gone up or gone down during last one year. Has the public tran~port the last one year ? Ha ve regional system at all been improved to control imbalances been remedied? Has the gap overcrowding in traws or in buses or in between the townand the village been clo~ed ? trucks? Has there been a ny progress in Have the economic disparities between social the implementation of the flood control classes and social gr()Ups heen reduced ? system an},where in the country? I asked Has the gap between the rich and the poor- the Minister the other day. He said, we 5% at the top and the 25% at the bottom- have no such plans. Of course, let the flood been at all reduced ? Has the purchasing devastate every area and we shall provide power of the common man been raised? the necessary relief but we have no long term We in a strange spectacle. of over-flowing plan for flood control. food stocks and starving people : a rich country and a poor people. It is because We have opened the doors wide for the the people do not have the resources to buy. monopolists and for the multi-nationals. They GO not have the purchasing power. They have got all the freedom. Then, in ls any s~tiOQ of the farmin, communitl tb~ pam~ Df automati<>D, sophistication, 353 Motion 0/ Thanks on PHALGUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) the President', Addre" ,~ modernisation, mechanisation, high tech- touched the tail and said the elephant is lib nology-I do not know what el~e-avenues a rope. The fourth touched the back .. are being created for foreign multi-nationais said that it was like a wall. My b()D. fri0a4 to come in and to deprive our youngmen of is suffering exactly from the same thiog. whatever employment opportunities they have got. Is not the fact that the backing PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB : Oat sector has become a synonym for of my blind friends said that be was like • corruption'? The credit line for the weaker Congress monolith ! sections, for the youth, for the unemployed youth and for the rural masses is a farce, SHRI AlA Y MUSHRAN : He must be looking at your party after Mr. Chairman. Our villagers are thirsty trunkaniu affair! for water. Our people are hungry for food. Our bodies are naked. Our youths are Last year has been a year of turmoil. workless. Our people are without shelter I t has been a year of trial. There have and our children our without schools. Our been turmoils because of communalists and sicks are without hospitals and they say the those tendencies which we are trying to curb, country has gOI"!e formard and weare "bich my friend refuses to see. That wal marching forward towards the 21st century'? the year when India has gone through ~ holocaus of communal frenzy, anti-national [English] parties and anti-national people, under dlc guise .of various organisations trying to come SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN (JabaJpur) : up and capture po1itical power. My friend Mr. Chairman, Sir, Sbri Somnath Chatterjee forgets or probably he bas not read J_ has spoken; year's presidential address t(' the combined Houses. I t was very categorically mentioned [Tlans/atloll] by the Leader of the Nation tbat is tbe Pre ~ident that what all be expects out or llis What is now left to speak ? Government for the year 1985, tbat w. the trial of the new leader, that was tbe trial or the peoples' faith which was paeraaecl during the elections which bas lOt to be It is very difficult to speak after so much proved through the ruling of the COUll'" jugglery. and I am proud to say, that the Leadet 01 the Party, the young Leader, whoJn Mr. [Trans/atioll] Shahabuddin call heir apparent, the ~armilll prince, I am very, glad tbey call him SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI : Mr. charming, he has proved that whatever the Chairman, Sir, perhaps Shri Somnath does President was expec.iog out of him au his not know that he h3d heen defeated in Government, every idea h!ls been formu1a~ elections by persons ~ ounger than bim. into a policy, every policy has been given a beginning and given an impetus and the [EngJi.~hl country is definitely looking forward to a stronger and better and more bomoaenous SHRI AJA Y MUSHRAN = My hon. nation. friend Mr. Eduar~o Faleiro's motion of thanks, I rise to support and I supported, I was very sorry to near tbe speecb given not becau~e I hdong to the same Party by my friend there, hone Mewa Singh. He which is running the Government but I am was categorising them artyrs of tbe country supporting it out of conviction. It is a pity into. Sikhs out of so many people w,bo that my hon. friend who spoke just before died so many were Sikhs, so many, who wer~ me, reminds me of a tale of four blind deported to Andamans were Sikhs, so many persons who were taken to see an elephant. who died in Andamans or in JaUianwaJa One of them, after having touched the trunk, Bagh were Sikhs. ) want to go on record said that elephant is like a tree trunk. One that they were not Sikhs. ~Y w~ of them who t('ucf'cd the feet and said that Indians. Nobody has ever fouj)lt or ~d lin elephant is hke a pillar. Another for the eountry because ~ was a Sikh or " 3SS Motion o/Thanks on FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the President's Addre.s 3~6 [Sbri Ajay Mushranl started by the Government be has recapitula- ted and it is 00 record of this House as well Brahmin or a Soutb Indian or a Muslim or as on the record of the Government that all any other community. These expressions those programmes and promises have been give us an inkling as to who are the people fulfilled. through whom the communalistic tendencies are growing in this country. I am personally of tbe opinion that here is the Government They are talking of the Assam accord which has done the best and the biggest job and the Punjab accord. It is not a matter for the country's unity, for the promotion uf which you can finish by a targeted date and nationalism, socialism, democratic values of time. There are various problems. There society, which no other Government could are various sub· problems which emanate out have done under the given circumstances. of a problem as the problem progresses. It Mr. Shahabuddin says that nothing has been is Dot possible to say to·day what is going done. He has painted a picture as if we to be the Assam problem after 10 months. were sleeping and he was working and he But if the problem takes a different turn, has come here to arouse us to do this ... then the Government bas got to be a wake to the problem, it has got to be a1 ive to the problem and take recourse to the plan or to SYED SHAHABUDDIN : I was keeping the action which will be to the betterment of a watch over aU these. the country. SHRI AlA Y MUSHRAN : How he bas won-we all know. In the President's The second aspect which is touched in Address there is a grave concern expressed. this Presidential Address and for which we It bas been said here: are grateful to the President is the economic outlook, what would be the Government's "Communalism continues to pose a outlook, what should be the responsibility of threat to nationa 1 unity. It is being the Government run institutions. the public reinforced by religious fundamentalism sector undertakings, the private sector, the and fanaticism." Opposition and everybody in general public. We know that we are short of money. We Have you heard, Mr. Shahabuddin? These know whether it is the national economy or are the tendencies which have been curbed whetber it is the bard currency loans taken, and this was done by this government and tbe advances taken from aboad or whether the tbe leader whom you can Prince Charming public has to generate certain funds. When ! and whom the country bas accepted as the say public-generated funds, I mean taxes. This DeW leader. His Jeadership was on trial and is the Government which has taken the decision he bas succeeded in the trial of leadership .... before the Budget session to raise prices of certain essential commodities. Hon. Member AN HON. MEMBAR: What about Indrajit Guptaji has said that it has been tbe new Bill you are bringing? done at the back of this bon. House. I beg to differ. If that was the intention, the SHRI AlAY MUSHRAN : I am increase should have been done after tbe comins. Let the Bill come. We were on Budget session. Then Indrajit Guptaji trial. Our leadership was on trial. The would have been right to say that the prices young generation was OD trial and instead of bave been hiked by side-tracking tbis hone supporting, instead of combining and co- House. It has not been done so. The operating with us, every conceivable prices were iocrea 5ed after due deliberation opportunity, direct or lateral, the Opposition and before Budget Session. However after has used to bring down the leadership and it was seen that the price like has been we have triumphed in spite of all these cutting too hard on public. They were adverse conditions. decreased. Is it not a brave Government which is ready to accept and come down So far as law and order is concerned, ,. with a decision in the interests of the public? tbere is already a mention in the Preflidential It requires a very brave man to accept his Address for which we are very grateful to mistake and quickly amend it and for that fh9 b~p. rreJideqt. The various proBraQ1mcs oqr Prime Minister deserves congrat\Jlations, ~" Moiion o/Thanks on PHAtGUNA 7, 1907 (S.AKA.) the Pres/dentlj AdJre,,' . 358 Now we come to the harnessing of our against the price hike and your dhama, resources for the Plan. It is very easy to agitation and demonstration result in say that we should plan within our resources. hundreds of buses being destroyed. Today I personally feel and even my hone friends on the DTC will have to spend a large sum of the other side will agree that unless you plan extra money to buy buses which you have big, ~ou cannot become big. destroyed. So, you are indirectly responsible for tbe rise in prices. 17.00 hrs. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: He belongs My honourable friend Shri GOSWllliji to Indira Congress and he is speaking of quoted that on some grave stones in Kohima, Nebra Congress. Has he defected ? it is written something. I want to amend him. I t is not a grave stone. I t is a war SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN : Mr. memorial whkh says "when you go home Chairman, Sir, now I come to the Plans and teU them of us and say for their tomorrow the aspirations which have been defined and we gave our today". It was an expression listed in the President's Address for the year that we are ready to sacrifice but not 1986. I must highlight and I must say that surrender. If you surrender to the economic so far as ... (lnterrupt;ons). circumstances, if you surrender to your lack of funds and if you cut-short your Plan, that [Translation] is a economic sUlfender. If you raise the prices and with a little inconvenience today SHRI BALKAVI• BAIRAGI (Mand- you can make a better tomorrow for our saur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, whenever a future generations. I think it is a very ~dember during his speech comes to the Plan_B, correct policy. Sacrifice any day is better the bell is rung somewhere. than surrender, and that is what that slogan epitomises which Goswamiji tried to say PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Raja· tbat this is a grave stone of the party and pur): Same was the fate of family planning what not. and that is why the population baa increased. I want to say that in aU serious measure we ba ve got to think as to bow big we plan, where do we go? We should see around 17.04 hrs. our own country. There are certain countries which got independence with us, little {MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair)- before us and a little after us. Where do they stand 1 We have seen the mockery SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI : It is a of democracy only about three days ago in wonderful job to ring the beU. He is a neighbouring country. Today, our leaving after ringing the bell. democracy has seen three changes of the Government. Government came, another (English] Government came and again a Government has come and we have done every thing JD a SHRI AJA Y MUSHRAN : Sir, there most peaceful democratic manner. Is it not was disturbance for five minutes. I must the strength of the Party? My honourable get five minutes more. Now, I come to friend say nothing has been done for the what the President's Address expects of this last 30 years by the Congress Government. Government for the year 1986. I am vary Is it not a great contribution-right from glad and I think the whole honourable Pandit Nehru, Smt. Indraji and today our House will be glad tbat tbe priority bas young Prime Minister? been given to drinking water in villages. This is one of the gratest problems of the SHRI SOMNATA CHATTERJEE: No- vilJages which I have the honour to re- thing has been done for the last so many present. 1 do not represent cities, big cities. years. This is a problem which affects ladies of tho villages most. They have to travel ]ODl SHRI AlAY MUSHRAN : It is a distance for getting water and I am lure .•• matter of great resret that you demonstrate (Interruption,) 3~9 Motion ofTlaanks oft FEBRUARY 26. 1986 the President's Address ~~ MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I request SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN : I personally the honourable Member to address the Chair. feel that wherever we talk of weaker sections I do not want any dialogue. He should of the people, we must talk of ex-servicemen apeak. because they are the people in our society who do not get opportunities to rise and SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: They are shout because of their disciplined habits. eocouraains a dialogue. They must be given package deals in' small scale industries, they must be given land, they MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : If you are must be given subsidised agricultural inputs, speaking like tbat, it will be a dialogue. so that they can come up economically. SHRI AlA Y MUSHRAN: Sir, I would The hone Home Minister is here. So far 'lite to make three points. as the protocal is concerned, so far as the status of the serving defence personnel is Firsd), I feet that family planning should concerned, the defence personnel are definitely be given a little more importance than what superior, by tradition, to policemen and must 'it is being given today. If you see the given their due. Today a Brigadier is equated statistics, you will find that there is a large with a D.LG. which is not fair, and number of people below the poverty -line when he goes to see a parade or attend an whose families are not planned. It may be official public function, through he is senior because of various circumstances, but a to DIG, he is made to sit in the second row. When you make him sit in the second larae llumber ~f people who explode so far as pOpulation is concerned belong to that row, he feels hurt, but he cannot speak 'C8teaarY of people who are below poverty- because he is covered by the Army Act. line. To raise these people who are below That is one aspect which, I am surc, the the poverty-line, we are having so many Home Minister will be kind enough to look anti-po"tetty programmes. Instead of trying into. The previous protocol which was 10 cure tbe illness, why not eradicate the prevalent in the defence forces about 25 or Chses of the iltness? We should, in a very 30 years ago must be made applicable biB way, 10 for family planning programmes because only if you give proper respect to for those people who are below the poverty- your servicemen, if you gi ve proper respect line. It will be conducive to the national to your ex-servicemen, you will get proper- economy if we correlate national financial men who will join country's Defence Forces. po1icieI ill respect of anti-poverty programmes The most integrated society in the country with the family planning programmes. today-not only you, Sir, but, I am sure, all the hone Members wiH agree-belongs to tbe services, whether they are ex-servicemen In dae -end I want to say a few words or serving servicemen. Therefore, they defini- about ex-servicemen .•. tely require a better deal in a11 the economic programmes of the Government. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : It is under- standable because you are an ex-serviceman. I belong to the central part of India; the SHRI AlAY MUSHRAN: Every time centre of India geographically and from the -.c talk of Scheduled Castes, Scheduled survey point of view is my constituency, Tri_ and weaker sections of the society Jabalpur. We have been subjected to great 'WIlen it comes to gi"iog a particular emphasis natural tragedies; we had a spate of hail- .. ..., economic programme. There are a bout storms, we had a very severe cold-wave and • lath ex-servicemen in our country, and insects invaded our crops in a big way. if ,08 count their dependents and their About 16 people died in my constiluency; "tu~ dcpcodeots, tbe Dumber will come to 1647 animals have been killed; about 6,000 .ON ttaan two crares. This is the only body acres of land crop bave been completely 1IiIIicb it tbe most diaciplined. I am sure you destroyed the mud-houses of six villages have .uI .... with me, Sir ••• been razed to the ground. I request the Agriculture Minister to be kind enough not 1H1lI SOMNATA CHATTERJFE only to send a team quickly but also give UntO tboJ join the Conarcas. financial a8listaoce to the poor 361 Motion ojthanlcl 0" PHALGUNA', t907 (SAKA) the President's Addreu 36i farmers because whatever finan .. Today, Rajiv Gandhi is the Prime cial aid the Government could give at Minister of India. He is not a nominated the State level has been given. But it is Prime Minister (Interruptions). He was thoroughly inadequate because of their own elected to the Lok Sabha during the tenure financial. constraints. I am through you of Shrimati Indira Gandhi. After Shrimati appealing to the Government to give us Indira Gandhi, when the Question of electing instantaneous aid and send a team, so that the leader arose, the public elected 401 the proper people get the benefit and the Members to Lok Sabha from the Congress financial aid. Party and thie ma<:sive m::jority ele::ted Shri Rajlv Candhi as their Jcad~r. UnfortunatelY, In the end I once again reiterate that the Shahahuddin SahIb ane Chatterjee Sahib biggest contribution of the new leader and were defeated in the ejections. Now they the leadership has been that of brioging back have been ejected to tpe Lok Sabha and who the country on the raiJs of nationalism. is denying tbls fact C! In December 1984 also the people gave their mandate and there is AN HON. MEMBER : After Mrs. this manJate also. (lfllerruptio"~) Gandhi? SYED SHAHABUDDIN : The picture SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN : Please don't has chaDg~d in a year. interrupt me. I never interrupted. This is not fair. SHRI D. P. YADAVA : You failed to draw tbe picture of India, bow you I mus t say that we should never talk in should not, therefore, try to spoil the terms of Hindu, Sikh, Isai and Parsee because picture. we should remember the proverb which is said in one of the Urdu coupless. It is very easy to say that we have not done anything concrete in a year. Our 10 khoon gira sarhad par, civilisation was evolved in 5 thousand years. voh khoon tha Izindustani. I do not want to dwdl on anthropological history but I would like to say that history It was not the Sikh blood that was shed on is not made in a year. I t takes time to the frontiers of the country, it was the Indian make history. The communalists or the blood, whether it is Punjab or anywhere fanatices do not make hIstory. For making else. historg factors like ideology, moderation, knowledge, farsightedness and firm determi- [Translation] nation are needed. We have full fa itb in the Government of Rajiv Gandhi and Rajivji SHRI D. P. YADA VA (Monghyr) : Mr. himself and with firm determination we shall Deputy Speaker, Sir, I heard with rapt make history under his leadership. In 1977, attention the speeches of Shri Somnath the people voted you to power as a Chatterjee and Sbri Shababuddin. After reaction. The task of formulating the Sixth bearing Shahabuddin sahib it seemed to me Five Year Plan fell to your lot but you as if an artist bas drawn a picture and asked could not draw even the draft of the Sixth the people to point out any flaw in it. People Plan in the first year. Instead, rolling plan bame and marked different defects in it. was introduced. Shri morarji Desai was Some said that the ear is slanting, and some- Prime Minister at that time and he body pointed to a defect in the eye. nose or instructed that rolling plan should be ~ lips. By evening the people spoilt the prepared. Even in th~ sec0nd yea" of the picture. Tbe next day, the artist asked the Sixth Plan, \h~ roH~ng p~.ln c011~inu~d. people to draw a similar picture as they had Even the document of the Sixth Plan could spoilt the picture drawn by bim. People n"t be prepared. It was not formulated even came with brush paint and tried to draw a in 1979-80. Who is to blame for this? May limilar picture but all of tbem failed. Similar I know whether Shrimati Indira Gandhi or situation exists here. The opposition parties Sbri Rajiv Gandhi or Shri D. P. YaGava cannot draw a picture but they are capable are to be blameJ for this lapse: No, Sir. of spoiling it. It was the vacillating policy of the then ~63 Aiot/on 01 Thanks on i1SBRbARY 26, I!»S6 [Shri D. P. Yadava] tendency which is beiDg spread in tbe Government which was responsible for it. country within this sma II span of one and a You are not capable of drawing pictures. quarter year on trivial matters should be So, you simply introduced the rolling avoided. I would say, for God's sake avoid plan. You must admit it. When Indira these things. Gandhi came to power, the plan document I have also made a little study OD was formulated within six months and education and I have been in tbe Education an outline of progress and development was Ministry for six years. Nowadays people placed before the country. In is true that we talk of radical changes in the education. You achieved success in several fields and in some may recall that in 1974 you had demanded fields me failed to nlake the mark. The that radical changes should be made in Seventh Five Year Plan was prepared in the education and big slogans were written on middle of 1985-86. You are an I.F.S. the walls asking for change in the system of Officer. At least you search your heart to education. You could not change tbe tell what are the defects in the Plan education policy in 1977, 1979 and 1979 as document which you do not like. well. You could not do it in three years, and we could not not do it SYED SHAHABUDDIN: The funds in 5 years. You are not ready to admit are not there. your mistake. So far as education is concerned, I would like to read out some SHRI D. P. YADAVA : If there are thing to you. You may apprise the people no funds for the Plan then it is not the of the country as to what was our position fault of the ruling party. The opposition in the fie~d of education in ] 950 and where parties are also to be blamed for this. do we stand in 1986? What are our shortcomings? If the education situation in SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI Bihar is bad then educatjon situation in (Mandsaur) It "as wrong on your part to West Bengal is also not very good where ask them to search the heart. He has no CPM had been in power from 1980 to 1986. heart. Strikes are quite frequent there and as compared to Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and SHRI D. P. YADAVA They do Uttar Pradesh, condition of the primary not have the capacity to give sbape to schools is worse is that state ..•... anything. For this, determination is required (Interruptions). I did my graduation from and the Government which lacks this is not Bengal and I attach have a sense of meat a good Government. That is why the Janata to Bengal. I am a graduate of Government was not a good Government Calcutta University. Whenever the and because our Government is determined question of census arises, you should and resolute, it is a good Government. see the figures of 1950-5 J• At that time the number of primary schools was Now so far as the question of a period 2,96,000 and now the number of these of one year is concerned, bydel power schools is 5,50,000. At that time, middle stations, super power projects or irrigation schools numbered 13,596 and now these projects are not set up in one year. have increased to 1,40,000. The number of higher secondary schools at that time was SYED SHAHABUDDIN : At least 7,288 as against the present 60,000. The MandaI Commission's Report can come. num ber of arts, commerce and science SHRI D. P. YADAVA : Mandai colleges was 548 as against the present Ttle technical have increased Ccmml&sion's Report js abo com;ng I agree 3,500. coHtges from 147 to 1500 and the universities from with you that there can De shorfcomjngs in the Government but this does not mean 28 to 1 35. Is it a mean progress in the field that an atmosphere may be created in the of education ? whole of the country as jf there exists no Shri Somnath Chatterji has left. I wanted Government. You are not capable of to tell him but for tbe sake of record I may forming a Government. Therefore, the tell that the number of students on rolls is atmosphere of despondency and defeatist 13,20,00,000. 365 Motloll o/Thanks 011 . PHALGUNA 7. 1907 (SAKA) the Presldellt's Addre" 3M» It is said that the number of illiterates aspect is that even then they want that more in this country is quite large. The number of funds should be allocated for education. illiterates is, no doubt, large but the How is it possible? How can then a good number of literates is also the largest Plan be formulated or how can we expect in the world. The population of more allocation? the country is around 78 crores and the number of literates in it is 36 crores. How In the fie1d of education the most can we accept that the number of illiterates important element is the teacher. In 1950-51 is large in this country. You do not say this, there were hardly 4 Jakb teachers; at you do not publicise that the number present their number is 38 lakhs. Today in of literates is large. Yon do not our country there are 13,20,00,000 students. say all this to demoralise the people We are spending Rs. 6 000 crores anoually tbat today in our country 13,20,00,000 and there are 5,50,00,000 primary schools. children are getting education. Is it a small achievement ? SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Wby do not This is our achievement. But still there you take into consideration the popu1ation are shortcomings in education \\ h!ch are to at that time and the number of illiterates at be removed. How can these be removed? present? For this you and we shall have to sit together and find out ways and means to SHRI D. P. YADAVA : All right take remove them. Merely branding the point of population. At that time the Government and tbe Education 2.40,00,000 children were getting education. Ministry as inefficient will not serve the As per that ratio, tbe number of children purpose. that should have been getting education should be 4,80,00,000 but today th~ number So far as tbe question of bringing radical of children ~etting education is 13,20,OO,COO. changes in education is concerned, all of us Is it not progress "! If it is not progress wiJl have to sit and consider the issue. For then what is it? tbis you will have to associate a person of rural background like me also. You say that allocation of funds for The education will have to be linked education is very less. I maintain that the with tbe feehngs of the people. For allocation is not less. You do not want to this an indepth study is being made in . see this point or cannot see it. the £jucation Ministry. An of us will be Take the question of allocation partners in that study. All of us should of funds for education. In 1950-51, participate in that. I invite you to participate we were spending on education only Rs. 114 in that. The debate is going on in the crores. Today, we are spending Rs. 6000 Planning Commission also on that. crores on it. When we are spending so mush amount annually, how can you say For the first time in the country a that there is Jess alloca tion for education. status report has been prepared and made We are spending ~o much amount on public. If you do not read the report and education from our national revenue. Now, show indlference towards it and demand any further increase in the allocation that Government should do every thing, on education, would result in cut in then how can that happen? The Government allocations on power or health programmes. can mobilise the resources but cannot After all, the Plan allocations are made hlject the resources in your minds. In that after thoughtful consideration by the you and we have to make concerted efforts. Planning Commission. It is trae that the resources are limited but what assistance we are giving to the States There is an Advisory Committee of the is all in the documents. I would give. ODe Government attached to the Planning exemple. In the Sixth PJan the target for Commission. Hardly one or two members JRDP scheme was fixed at Rs. 1500 craTes of the opposition parties attend the sittings for 1980-85 Had the Government of India ~f t~e C9mmitt~, ~n4 ~hc ~nf9rt\1nat~ Inola fidt: intentiops of not providinJ fund, 367 Motion o/Thrmks on FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the Presldent's Address ~68 [Shri D. P. Yadava] policies is setting up of "The Wasteland Development Board". What wrong have we to the State Gl~evrnments it would have wa~teland merely allocated the funds without actually done if we frame a new policy for providing them. But the Government development, if in a land mass or 324 million hectares, 124 million hectares are provided Rs. 1766 8 crores. It means that on negligence, reluctance was shown and neither wasteland. He has done a right thing. One was the amount reduced. Wh\!!l you look at third of the land mass is wasteland and it is the faces of the poor, there cannot be any necessary to work towards its development scope for reluct.1nce. Against the and to make it productive. Shri Shahabuddin has said that the people have become allocation of Rs. 15CO crores, a sum of Rs. 1766 era res was spent. I t was hoped poorer, does not matter. Just listen, be bas that after providing an amount of said that our children do not get food and Rs. 1766 crores the State Government the foodgrains are being exported to other would spend the entire amount but they countries. 10 1948-49 or 1950, we hardly produced million tonnes of foodgrains did not do so. 10 this cOiloection Bihar has 45 earned a bad name and about Bengal, and today the production has reached 156 Shrirnati Mamata w:1I inform Out of to 157 million tonnes; isn't it ? Rs. 1766 crot es provided by Delhi to all SYED SHAHABUDDIN : In spite the states, including Bengal, only Rs. 1661 of this, the people are starving because crores were spent. You do not have the capacity even to spend the funds made the foodgrains are rotting. available and you are talking of increasing SHRI D. P. YADAVA: If you do not the resources and saying that because of the have faith, the problem will remain. A constraint of resources, IRDP scheme is change in the planning process has been not functioning properly. This blame you brought about. The perspective for the should not but on the Central Government. Seventh Five Year Plan is for a period of See this dccument. 15 years. Perspective of 15 years. has been adjusted in 5 years so as to facilitate the SYED SHAHABUDDIN There also co-relationship. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you are sitting. I shall take 2 to 3 minutes more. SHRI D. P. Y ADA VA This ducument Sir, since I am a student of scienre and is "'hh you, study it. I have been visiting some laboratories. I must say a few things in tbis regard. It gives SHRJ NARAYAN CHAUBEY : You me hearty pleasure when I see that science are in power both in the Centre as well as in India has reached the take off stage. Our the States. foremost need was to make our science and technology self sufficient. Today, India has SHRI D. P. YADAVA: No, Sir. As shown that they are self reliant in the field against the other States, the condition of nuclear energy. We shaH have our own in the State you have been rulmg since indigenous design, our own construction and 1980 is worse. our own generation. Now India occupies (Interruptions) fifth or sixth position in the nuclear field in The President has hinted to some facts, the world which bas been amply proved by I do not want to repeat them; it is a the Pokharan test and generation of nuclear written in the document. It speaks about power by young scientists in the age group national unity. The Tuling party alone of 35-45 years produced by the Bose cannot bear the onu'.; of national unity, you Research Inc;titute, the Institute of Nuclear also wiJ) have to share equal respo;1sibility Physics and tbe Association for the culti- in it. How can national unity be preserved vation of science set up by C.V. Raman and without it? You win have to extend your Megh Nath Saha. Is it not an honour? cooperation honestly and not merely through We are manufacturing pilotless Target words. Aircrafts also •.. (lnterruptions) Snme policies have been laid down. I SYFD SHAHABUDD1N : How old is have spoken on education. One 01 tbe the achievement heine related by you 7 369 Motion o/Thanks on PHALGUNA 7.1907 (SAKA) the President's Address 37u SHRI D. P. YADAVA: The country own areas' only. They are forgetting the needs confidence ... (Interruptions) other parts of the country. What about national integration? SYED SHAHABUDDIN : Did aU these deveto~ments take place in a year? SHRI D. P. YADAVA: No. Sir. I covered a whole lot of issues concerning the SHRI D. P. YADAVA: When thelje whole country. were not achieved between 1977 and 19Rv, it might not have been achieved in one year. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri I do not want to go into further details. I KoJandaivaJu. would only say that there is need to take firm action against fissiparous tendencies SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobi- which are on the increase in the country or chettipalayam): I am grateful and the (llher regionalism or sub-nationalism emerging members are also grateful to our President in the country. There is need to suppress for having addressed the Eighth Lok Subha these tendencies unitedly. I would not like for a second time. I find a lot of difference to raise the issues of my own constituency hetween the first y,ear and the second year. at this juncture because the people would In the first yeaI"s address there was quality say that I did not speak about the country. and the number of pages in the Engiisb I would request Shri Shahabuddin to extend version was only eight. And the colcur of his support for the development of Lateral the cover- page was very deep. In this year's Road Project in North Bihar, whiCh I call Address I find that the pages are more. It a geo-ph~ sically backward State. A Central bas got 12 pages. J also find that the colour scheme for this purpose should be formulated has now fadt.d. from Forbesganj to Darbhanga. The length of the Ganga from Mokama to Farakka is Here. I find only quantity, not quality. 275 kilometres and there is not a single That is the main thing. The difference bridge on this section. The Central Govern- between 1985 and 1986, is they mentioned ment should consider to provide a bridge at in 198\ ten commandmects, but In ]986, Monghyr, Sultar,ganj, Bhag3.1pur, wherever it was only five commandments. So, even feasible, on the Ganga because it is essential the commandments have been reduced from for the development of Bihar. There is a ten to five today. I cannot expect the 120 yea .. old railway factory in Jamalpur. President to give an enc),c1opaedia with J\10re and more resources should be provided regard to all these schemes. But I expected for its progress. The Central Government that the President would have come with the have sanctioned a Super Thermal Power First Information Report (F1R) before the Station in the backward area called Kahal- Budget. He has not given any of tbe scheme. gaon. There is need to set up thi~ station In the Address, I find no scheme has been speedily. So far as the Report of the mentioned, except the schemes which have MandaI Commission and the interests of already been there when Mrs. Gandhi was Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes are in power i.e. Twenty Point Programme. concerned, I support the report. They RLEGP, NRED and the IRDP. An these should be given more facilities and the programmes have been well-started about report should be implemented soon. A four years or five years back. Even in the national concensus should be evolved at the Jaoata period, it was there. They have earliest and leaders of all the political started the NREP. They ha ve elaborated parties should sit together to give it a aU these things in this Address. And no consideration. With these words, I thank new programme has been introduced in this you for giving me an opportunity to speak address. I want to submit to this Hous~ on the Motion of Thanks on the Presidcnfs even in the President~s Address, they must Address. elaborate some of the new schemes before the General Budget is brought in. He~ no [English] mention has been made with regard to the nationalisation of rivers and with regard to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Every bon. the inter-State Water problems. The Inter- member is telling about the projects in their State Water Ptoblem is pre\'ailing over a 31' Motion 01 Thtmk, On FBBRUAI. Y 26. 1986 [Shri P. Kolandaivelul tbis House, be has come forward with a rising of administered prices. He is going number of decades. The problems should to have resources for more tban Rs. 2,000 have been settled, as soon as our Prime crores by means 0 f rise in prices, the Minister occupied the Chair. But the Finance Ministry is making raids. I con- problems remained as it was. Even the gratulate it. I command it. And I linking of Ganga w:th Cauveri and Godavari appreciate it. I condemn the raids on the schemes has not been mentioned even in the bouses of small fries like advocates and Presidential Address. No new scheme has doctors. You can raid big millionaires; you been mentioned in order to eliminate poverty. can rapid Bajaj and others. But what bas The very same programme that is, IRDP, made you actually to raid these doctors and NREP, RLEGP, have been meotioned in small advocates? You are raiding almost the address. No new programme have ~een aU the houses. Suppose the raids go on introduced for the eHmination of poverty. like this, tbere may not be any confidence No mention bas been made of assured prices in this Government. I have to say tbis. to the farmers for tbeir produce. I beg to submit Sir, even now, our hone The Finance Minister bas got control only over 50% of the money which is there Prime Minister has come forward by in tbe country. The other 50% is in the introducing some of the new Ministers. That form of black money. Where is the control is all he has done. I can say, some of the new Ministers who have been introduced over the other 50%? Actually, tbe black were already voted out in the General marketeers and black money holders are Elections and are being brought in through running a parallel Government. How are back do\)r. I want to mention what Pandit you going to control it? The Finance Ja wabarlal Nehru said when be was in Minister bas to find another solution for all these things. power I quote : "I do not want to bring pel"I'Je Nowadays I see t hat the number of into tbe corridors of power through sycophants is growing. Suppose a party is windows, when tbefr entry is prohibited in power. I f sycophancy grows, and through the main door." sycophants grow in number, it means that there may not be any survival prospe(..ts What actually, aur Prime Minister ;s for the ruling party. I were the hon. doing is that be wants to follow the Prime Minister to put a stop to these footsteps of his grand-father. He wants to sycophants and sycophancy. follow the footsteps of his mother. But what actually he is doing is, he has brought people There is something witty I want to sh~ re through back door. This sort of thing with you. We must know bow to speak should be curtailed. This s~lould be curbed. on platforms, how to speak in tbe House, This should be stopped. We are fortunate and how to speak with others. Surprising1y, enough to have a young, energetic and I have noted one thing. Our bon. Member, dynamic Prime Minister. People expect tbat Mr. Amitabb Bachchan has given an some new schemes have to be introduced at interview to the magazine 'Imprint'. There this time, in this era. But no new schemes be says this about the Prime Minister. I have been mentioned so far. I would quote: suggest, if the moral fabric of the party is lost everything is lost. There will be no "He drives a car, knows how to survival at all. The legitimacy is more fly a plane, and ride a motor cycle. important in a democracy than legality.' So How many Prime Ministers can do that? legitimacy must be there for a party for its I think driving a car is a fair indication survival. I command the efforts of the of a man's personality." Union Finance Minister, for tbe last year, he gave a v~ry good BurJget. Everybody What does it mean? There are so many appreciated it. But what happened to our taxi drivers. Can all the taxi drivers hon. Union Finance Minister, even before become Prime Ministers? Does tbis mean the Ocoeral Bud8et bas been put in before tbat? Mr. Alnltablt BGbcbao 11,.: ~13 Motion o/Thankl 011 PHALGt1NA 7. 1907(S~JI) "Dri"ing a car is a fair indication •... " Most SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: It came of our hOD. Members, almost 75% of the in the papers. Members know driving. Does it mean that all can become Prime Ministers. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You can say that he went there. It may be a courtesy SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY call. But you cannot say what you have said. (Katwa) : I t adds to the personality. (Interruptions) AN HON. MEMBER: This gap is SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : That is increasing. What can we do ? what Mr. Bacbchan says. That is the attitude taken by the Members. (Inter- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: AU right. ruptions) Is taxi not a car? I know. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : SHRI A. CHARLES : He is trying to Every citizen can become the Prime Minister, drag the President of India into such a if he has the support of people. controversy. (Interruptions) SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: In this SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: It has connection~ I want to mention thatin the appeared in the paper. "Washington Post", one Mr. Philip Geyelin says: SHRI A. CHARLES : That is all right. But in this context, we should not involve "An administration'5 character is Mr. Sanjiva Reddy, the ex-President. better judged by its initial inclinations in the dark of night than by its knuck- SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI C ling under to pu blic pressure in tbe Those who retired, let them take rest. ligbt of day." SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : AJI right. You want him to take rest. But he has He has described what the character of the given it in the paper. He also stated, he administration should be. He bas described bas gone to the extent of saying that it. So, I want to say that the Prime Mr. Rajiv Gandhi is not pra ctising political Minister bas 10 stand the test of time. That morals he is now preaching. is the Dorm. Even our former President of India, Mr. Sanjiva Reddy bas written an SHRI A. CHARLES: Does it come article with regard to our Prime Minister. under culture ? Ide says-I quote : SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: That is "Serious concern over the widening all right; that is what I say it is appearing gap between precept and practice of in the press. 1 am quoting tbe very words Mr. Rajiv Gandhi both as Prime of Mr. Sanjiva Reddy. Minister and President of Congress (I). SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV : This is Latest trends in Rajiv's style of also some SOlt of an allegation, not aireclly functioning were disturbing." but indirectly, and therefore, this cannot be allowed in the proceedings. That is what be says. This very same person was President bere for five years. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU : Why not? Even our present President had gone to see He was the President when the Congress Mr. Sanjiva Reddy when be was at Government was there. (Interruptions) Hyderabad, *. SHRI RAM SINGH Y ADAV : Ex- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : How can President and President cannot be referred that be mentioned here '1 to here. ••Expuupd as ordered by the Chair. 375 Motion 01 Thanks on FEBRUARY 26, 1986 the President's Address 31~ SHRI A. CHARLES: He should have large number of refugees who have been the decency of not referring to them here. forced to take shelter in India." (Interruptions) In the President's Address in 1986, in SHRI RAM SINGH YADAV: You para 38, only two sentences have been should see the Rules of Procedure in this written with regard to Sri Lanka. On page regard. 8, he says as follows : SHRI A CHARLES: He does not have "But we remain concerned about the ethnic situation in Sri Lanka and the courtesy. Pakistan's continued pursuit of a nuclear weapon capability." SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS MUNSI : You should speak on your own. You are With regard to refugees, you nave not q'lite competent to judge what the Pnme mentioned anything; even with regard to Minister is saying. do you refer to Why crisis you have not mentioned anything; the Presidenfs Address or Mr. Sanjtva even with regard to ethnic problem prevailing Reddy? Being a senior member of this now, you have not mentioned anything; House, you should give your own judgment. even with regard to genocide prevailing, you have not mentioned anything. So, SHRI A. CHARLES : He should not that is tbe attitude adopted in the President's have referred to him. He does not have Address. the courtesy; at least, he should have the courtesy. I want to suggest to the hon. Prime Minister and to the tressury benches also [ Translation] that you have to come forward with concrete proposals, wi th concrete schemes. With SHRI BALKAVI BAIRAGI: Mr. moral slogans, a party cannot survive. Kolandaivelu, please do not discuss People will Dot consume slogans and the Addre5s of two Presidents, you should swallow them. They want some concrete express your views on one Address only. schemes and the government has to come forward with them. rE"gli3h] SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA (Karnal) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, I listened SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU : It is very with rapt attention to the most eloquent, surprising to note that even wi th regard but apparently powerful speeches of some of to Sri Lanka problem which is a sensitive problem which we all know ... (lnterruptIOflJ) the members of tbe opposition parties, particularly of Shri Somnath Chattrrjee and SHRI A. CHARLES : Why ale you Shri Saifuddin Chowdbary. rep~ating it ? Sir, I Stand to support the Motion that was moved on tbe President's Address by SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: What Mr. Faleiro. In the face of tragedy that is about you? Last, year, an importance was being enacted, I have long heJd my peace. given to the Sri Lanka problem in the But now, a growing sense of indignation- Presiden(s Address. On page 6, para 28, nay of responsibility towards tbe people I he says as follows : representJ towards the State 1 belong to, towards the land I was born The ethnic violence in Sri 1 anka is in, has impeUed me at last to a ma!ter of deep concern to us. We open my lips and to lay before this are convinced that use of force cannot august House certain views which have kIng lead to a solution. A political process, been crying for utterance. in \\bich all the concerned parties are involved. can alone result in a just Mr. Deputy Speaker, the President's settlement. Conditions must he created Address begins with a reference to the in Sri Lanka to enable the rClurn of the Punjab Accord. Punjab was burninl, tbere 371 Motion 0/ Thank On PHALGUNA " 1907 (SAKA) the President·, Address ~78 were chaotic conditions for years togetber Indira Gandhi, took pity on his old age and and matters came to such a pitch that modified the award given by the Shah Army had to be sent to Punjab. However, Commission. The modification was that time came, good time came, better sense Chandigarh minus 7 villages adjacent thereto prevailed and an accord was arrived at would go to Punjab and 107 villages of between the late Sant Longowal and our Abohar and Fazilka Tehsils would go to worthy Prime Minister Sbri Rajiv Gandhi. Haryana in lieu thereof. This happened in 1970. In 1971, Congress was elected to power in the Centre. There was Congress In pursuance of that accord President's Government in Haryana headed by Shri Rule was withdrawn, elections \\Iere declared Bansi LaI. There WdS also Congress and a popular Government was elected. The Government in Punjab headed by Giani Zait Congress lost, the Akalis won. However, Singh, our Rastrapatiji. That modified 9ward better atm05lphere prevaikd. We were happy. was not implemented for reason not know to We were happy becau~e the Akalis would Haryana and Cbandigarh continued to be have an opportunity to give a positive proof the joint capital of both the States, Haryana of what they actually were, of \\ bat they and Punjab. In 1977 Congress was defeated meant, or what they mean. Shri Barnala throughout the north. Janata Party formed formed the Governmt'nt. What was the the Government. Shri Surjit Singh Barnala, accord? the present Chief MjDjster~ who is guiding the destiny of Punjab today, represented the The Longowal-Gandhi accord provides Akalis in the Central Government. Mr. that Chandigarb will be transferred to Punjab Dhanna Singh Gulshan of the Akali Party on the 26th of January, and in lieu thereof. was also a Minister the Centre as a Hindi-speaking vilJages from Punjab wiH be representative of Akalis. Again, there was transferred to Haryana. Besides that, there the Akali Government headed by shri was another provision regarding the \\ ater Prakash Singh Baja), in Punjab. In 1977) dispute that was going on between Punjab 78 and 79 nobody thought of it. Everybody and Haryana. The SYL Canal shall be from Punjab kept mum and said not a word completed by Punjab by the 15th of August, that Chandigarh should be transferred to 1986. These were the two main provisions. Punjab. When ques~ioned, they said that they Now. with respect to the trGn,Jer of tbied to persuade ~lr. f\1orarji Desai Chandigarh Mathew Commission was appoin- the then Prime ~linister of India but he ted by the Central Government. The Mathew refused to obliqe them. Congress staged a Commission heard both the parties, there come back in 1980 with a thumping majority. were so many hearing~, both tbe parties As soon as Shrjrnati Gandhi was voted to were given an opporlunity to adduce evidence power, again Akalis in Punjab started in support of thelf c\.mtention ,. What had creating problems and disturbances. They actually happened was that the Shah started taking law into their own hands. There Comm:s5ion wa~ appointed. Mr. Justice Shah was again turmoil. So much so that processions was the retired Chief Justice of th~ against Government were std.rted. As many Supreme Court. The same Justice as four persons were kil1ed just in tbe was appointed as a Shah Commission vicinity of Parliament, probably in November, by the Janata Gov~rnment against 1981 or 82 because of a violent procession. Sbrimati Gandhi. Shah Commission's Award This lIngered on. What was tbe demand? was that the whole of Kharar tehsil of There was on particular demand except to Ambala district would go to Haryana. This g\ve Chandigarh to Punjab without parting included Chundigarh. Kharar and Rorar company with the Hindi speaking villages etc. Haryana came into being on the 1st of of Punjab which were to be given to H:uyana. No\ember, 1966. At the time when this Shrimati Indira Gandhi visited Chandigarb. Award was given there was a hue and cry, While addressing the congress workers ·'Chandigarh goes to Haryana"? There there she said that she was was ready to give were lot of disturban;"es in Punjab. Late Sant Chandigarh to Punja ". but she must hold Fateh Singh threatened to immolate himself the balance. She further said that she could hy burnjng hjmself in boiling oil on the roor not see the rights of Haryana being of Darbar Sahib if Chandigarh was not given ignored. And, therefore, the matter JinJ;!ered to Punjab. The then Prime Minister, Sbrimati 00. They will not agree •.. (Inte"lIptio/H). 379 Motion 01 'thanks On FEBRUARY 26, 1986 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER Now Mr. In 1966, Haryana came into being. Sharma, please conclude. So, agan in 1971 and 1981 there were further censuses and there Punjab Government got SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA : wrong entries made in respect of their My respectful submission is if I am allowed languages. In the census record they were to continue tomorrow ... (Interruptions). shown as Punjabi speaking. That is why Mathew Commission had to send MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : No, you enumerators to find out the actual1anguage try to finish now itself I am giving you tbe of the people in those villages. In this time. But try to be brief. connection, I would like to draw your attention towards an agreement that was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE arrived at in 1966. I quote: DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI When a compact group of 10 AZAD) : Sir, I submit that we should villages or more, each passing a extend the House by one bour. resolution of the kind mentioned above, and their contiguity is hindered MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER I think the or bulocked by a Gram Pancbayat House will accept it. or a Gram Sabba as the case may be, by two villages or less, such SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: we have lack of contiguity with the border of got enough time tomorrow. What is the the State to which they want to opt necessity to sit late? for shall not be considered, and their resolutions shall be forwarded by the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is a State Governments concerned to the long list of Members who want to speak. President of India. AN HON. MEMBER : Why just now? "The President, after necessary What is tile hurry ? enquiries about the genuineness of the resolutions, shall notify the transfer of SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD : We such village or a group of vilJages to the have to finish it tomorrow because day after State of their option, and thereafter tomorrow is the General Budget. such viliage or a group of vilJages shall constitute part of the Stale of tbeir SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHARY option. There is no quorum also. "That, even otherwise, the AN RON. MEMBER Tomorrow we Governments of Punjab, Haryana and can extend the time. Himachal Pradesh can by a mutual agreement agree to transfer an area from MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Only one one State to another and to make a hour we will sit. But be brief Mr. Sharma. recommendation to the Pasident, who shall Implement such a recommendation SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA by a Presidential order." The Mathew Commission gave his Award. The Mathew Commission has held in Now this question of contiguity is unequivocal terms that 83 villages and two standing in the way. You must have read in towns, namely, Abohar and Fazilka are the Press the other day that the bon. Chief Hindi speaking, but he made no reference Minister of Punjab, Mr. Barnala visited and passed no categorical order regarding Kandu Khera and said that tbere wilJ be transfer of Chandigarb because of the integrated development of that viUage. contiguity of. In thjs connection. I would Nobody cared a hang for Kandu Khera so like to remind this House that according to far, although Punjab, as such, came into the census of 1961, when Punjab and being twenty years back. Now they want to Haryaoa were one, Kandu Khera was also develop it. Again, only yesterday, there was Hindi speak ing. As many as 107 villages an annOUDceOH:nt by the punjab Chief b4d ai veo their JaD&Uase as Hindj. Minister that Abobar bas been uPIl'Idcd as 381 MDtlon D/ Thanks Oil PHAlOUNA 7, 1907 (SAKA) the President's Addre'$ 382 a sub-Division. If you refer to the Press, I far as the work tbat is being done is con quote not one but many papers. Today's concerned, now under one pretext or the papers and yesterday's said that a deputation other Punjab says, 'We)), the alignment of citizens from Abohar-Fazilka area, should be changed and no less a person headed by Mr. Teg Ram, ex-MLA, has than Shri Prakash Singh Badal, the former arrived in Delhi. I am bringing in to the Chief Minister, who was the Chief Minister notice of high-ups that excesses have been of Punjab in 1977-78 says so. An agreement committed. atrocities are being perpetrated was made on the 31st December 1981. upon the people. of these villages only Signed by whom? By the Chief Minister because in the recent enumeration which of Punjab, Shri Darbara Singh, by the Chief was got done t;y the Mathew Commission, Minister of Haryana, Shri Bhajan Lal, by the they had given their language as Hindi. Chief Minister of Rajasthan, countersigned by Should they be penalised on tha t score? the then Irrjgation Minister of the Under these circumstances, would we tolerate Government of India and attested by when in is a f,let that thc.)e are the villages Shnmati Indira Gandhi, and according to which are Hindi-speaking, which have been that agreement, that much share, i. e. 35 held to be Hindi-speaking? And then again. 1akk acre-feet of water was to be given to Mr. Barnala says Kandukhera is the '~ateway' Haryana and in pursuance thereof, Shrimati to 800 villages in Haryana. This is his lndira Gandhi on the 18th of February statement-~Gateway'. He seys Kandukhera actually started tbe inaugural ceremony of is the 'gateway' to 800 villages in Haryana. the canal. A huge meeting was held. Tben I say, Kandukhera is the gateway to Hindi- they said, 'We will not allow the canal to be speaking areas of Ptlnjab and we cannot be dug'. Can the Government be run in this silent spactators. From every nook and manner? corner in the country there is a demand that in view of the Longowal-Rajiv Accord, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You please Chandigarh should be transferred. I say it wind up. You have taken 20 minutes. I should be implemented in letter and spirit. have to give time to others also. The accord was signed at on~ and the same time, with the same pen, on the same table, SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Sir, and in the same breath. And I submit that this is a very important subject, a buring Chandigarh should be transferred to Punjab sbjuect, and I was seeing the watch and I and with the same stroke of pen in the same found that speakers speaking before me breath, on the same table, on tbe same took about 25-30 minutes or so. So, I paper, these Hindi-speaking villages of humbly request you to give me five minutes Punjab should be transferred to Haryana. more. Then, again, Sir, regarding the SYL project, My submission is that after Shrimati this was another provision in the accord. Indira Gandhi had performed the inaugural The SYL link canal was to be completed ceremony, was it not the bounden duty of by the 15th of August, 1986. Haryana had the Government to see that the canal was advanced not less than Rs. 110.5 crores. dug? And then again, now that a new This is a canal which is about 115 kilometres accord was signed, it was tbrown into tbe in length and for reasons best known to was tepaper basket. Mr. Bamala and Mr. them, the work on the digging of the canal Ba lwant Singh were present at the time of is held up for the last 4-5 months, not to the signing of Longowal-Gandhi Accord. Is speak of its being completed by the 15th of it not their moral duty to see that the work August. I can say it with confidence nay is carried out in right earnest ? They with responsibility, that with this speed it expressed their helplessness. How can they cannot be completed even by the 15th run the Government? Who is responsible August 1987. Shall we be silent spectators? for this? Some of them say, 'We will not We are giving money, they are spending it allow the canal to be dug unless there is ruthlessly-criminal waste of money being change of alignment'. It means, our rights advanced by Haryana, trucks and tractoTS are being ruthlessly trampled under the iron being purchased, unnecessary machinery feet of the present set up in Punjab. What being coneeted, unnecessary recruitments is happening? What are these extremists heioa made at the cost of Haryana. So doing ~ So ttemendous is their onslaught, 383 Motion o/Thanks on FEBRUARY 26. 1986 the President', Addre.(s 384 [Shri Chiranji La) Sharma] garh to Punjab and Hindi s peaking villages of Abobar and Fazilka to Haryana. so terrific is their blow, so bloody is their machinery of coersion, that the whole of II' I wish the hon. Deputy Speaker would Punjab is shaken under their iron beals, and permit me to touch other subjects ... we should suffer! It is detrimental to our cause. They said, 'Well, the a .. .:ord should MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : No, I am be implemented and if Chandigarh is trans- sorry. When you are speaking at some ferred to punjab there will be peace.' 1 say, other tim-:, you can touch the other subjects. this could be done only if the SYL canal is completed. This is the hfehne for Har} ana SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Sir, and, Sir, Haryana people are docile no I close with this remark. doubt, they are gentle in nature, but they are (lr.terruption .. ) not cowards. We can safcguJ rd our interests, and W~ know h0W to do it. But, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : On all Sir, we have irnpltcit faith in the leadership subjects. you can touch, there wou1d not b~ of our Prinle Minister, who has given a any problem. categorical assurance to Haryana a nd be has stood to that saying that no injusti.;e to SHRI CHIRANJI lAL SHAR1\1A Haryana will be done. We are feelmg it Chandigarh shall not be transferred unless also, and that is why we are mum. We the Hindi-speaking areas nl.lmbering 8S have reasons to smell a grain of salt in the including these towns are simultaneously bona fiJes of the present Government of transferred. Haryana people cannot put up Punjab. They are not going to complete it, with a1l this and secondly, for the imple- they are not going to start it and the only mentation of this accord, the construction of alternative left is that tht! Government of S YL c3nal should be taken up by the India should take over the construction of Government of India and should be SYL canal. Unless the Government of completed before the stipulated time. That India takes up the construction of this is ail I h:lve to say. canal in its own hands, no power on cJ.rth will complete It. \t least Punjab will not With thel\e words I support the ~lotion complete It. It passes through the Pl.lnjab of Thanks on the President's Address. territory, mOlley is to be spent by Haryana. and they are conSU'11lOg maney, they are SHRI S. B. SIDNAL (Belgaum) : Mr. squardering m'Jney and we are getting Deputy Speaker, Slf, I thank you for glvmg nothing. It is all 115 kilometres. and the me an opportunity to speak and support the initial co~t of the clo11 would have been Motion of Thanks on the President's Rs. 50 to Rs. 60 crores. Now it has gone Address. down to Rs. 270 erores. Just imagine, Slr. The SYL canal portion in Haryana, exteo- . The House has the greatest heritage of ding about lOS kIlometres io length, was secularism, socialism and other things. completed 6-7 years back and since then, it Now, my friends from the Opposition have is lying idle and it is going wa5te, but for been critlcjsing that there is no drinking the completion of the remaining portion of water, many people are living below the the canal in Pllnjab. Therefore, the Govern- poverty line, no improvement In public ment of India sh Juld implement Longowal- sector, agriculture and so many things. Can Rajiv accord. In the interests of justice, they not see the progress W~ have made ? equity and fdir phy, I would stress upon Can they not see the programmes we have the Government to take over the construction declared before the eJections? Can they of SYL canal and see that t his is completed not see the progress so far we have made in before the stipulated period. Otherwise, If agriculture? Before freedom we were only this is not done or cannot be done the 35 crOfes of people and we used to get proper thing would have been to held that foodgrains from outside the country. Now Chandigarh shall be transferred to Punjab on we are capable of exportaing foodgrains and the 15th of Aug']-t 1986 if SYL canal shall we have got sufficient foodrains for our be co,npleted b,l. 15th of August. There people. Ttlls is a legacy \t·ft by Mahatma should be simultaneous transfer of Cbandi- Gandhi by the Swadeshi Movement. We ~8S Mot/Ott o/''I7ttutk, oil PHALOUNA. 7, 1907 (8~KA) IIJe President'~ AddreJ3 3~ are still carrying out productivity programmes give programmes to the country and progress under the young dynamic leadership of Shri to the poor peopJe and to one and all. We Rajiv Gandhi. Previously, we could not have accepted the mixed economy and we produce even spoons. Now, we are capable are gJing ahead with it. But tbe Opposition of producing planes, ships and scientific Pa~ties are never happy. For all these 35 apparatus. For the upliftment of poor, we years, without any programme, anybody are also producing scientific instruments. could criticise, anybody could find defect, The 20 -point programme wou1d be revised and anybody could find some thing wrong for potential progress and to uplift the poor. with the programme. They have got no I t is an admitted fact that poverty was there programmes. They have only one pro- in tbis country, poverty is there and it shall gramme of criticising the ruling Party. be there. Poverty was there right from Many of our friends including Mr. Shaba- thousands and thousands of years. 1n budd;n said, "Nothing has been done". I Alahabha,.ata also, Sudam went to Krishna do not know why he has closed his eyes. with a small bowl of rice as presents, for For the last 35 years, so much development heJp bec8jfe he was the poorman. But the has taken place. definition df poverty is changed. Previously povery means, without food and shelter, and It is enumerated in the Pr'!sideot's work. Now, the concept i-; changed because Address that communalism and regionlism we are having sufficient food and shelter. are there. There are many challenges. We We have programmes for the weJfare of have accepted and our leader bas accepted Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, back - those challenges. We are going to solve. ward classes and mi,norities and they are \Vhile solving, some difficulties will definitely fully protected. That is why, the Congress be there. But it is the Opposition parties can carryon for 100 years. The other which always fuel tbe fire and they never Parties are scattered, never united and they want to settle down. That is tbe whole do not bave any programme. So far they difficulty. The Congress Party has come only know how to criticise tbe Government. out of banots and has come with democratic In the last 35 years, they have never pledged means, I mean respected democracy. ~'e any programme on the Table of the House, want democracy to prevail. At this juncture, Dor have they declared any programme in I will bring to the notice of tbe House and the~ election manifesto. Today they want to to the whole country that the majority which criticise our youth t~der without any base. Shri Rajiv Gandhi Government ha!, nobody had so far in this country. In this respect, Production has increased in all aspects- I would like to pay my respects to the voter electricity, transport. cement and other of this country who has thought of the consumer goods. Is it not the progress ? country's integrity and sovereignty and be Inflation is part and parcel of the developing has voted for our party. Our party stands countries becaase money is thrown for for secularism and it has proved that tbe developmental purposes, money is also other parties are never secu 1ar and tbat they borrowed from outside and as a result it do not have any programmes and socialism. travels faster. But the Government has They have only one tbing. to say, whatever tried its bec;t to control it by productive we do they undo it outside and they call a means. Inflation is not independent Bandh. What is it? What have we not phenomenon of our country. It is inter- done? But with all that, still lot of things related to the international market. There- are to be done. Who denies it? We have fore, the present Government headed by Shri accepted the challenge. We have the Rajiv Gandhi has succeeded 100%. programme. We are going ahead. Are we not changing the system of education? Is You know how the Punjab and Assam it not a challenge which we have accepted? problems were burning and during the elections it was our leader who declared that Are we not asking the whole country to they would solve these problems. The adopt it ? The leadership of Sbri Rajiv promise has been fulfilled. May -be elections Gandhi has been established, not only in the are lost and gained. It is not tbe main country, but outside also. He toured more motto of the Congress. Our Party is a than 14 countries and establishtd goodwin bloodlets revolutio'oaey Party. We want to and tbis country bas get roputadoD of havifta 387 Motion o/Thanks on FEBRUAB. Y 26, 1986 the Preside"t's Addresl 388 [Sbri S. B. Sidnall They country can never forget the contri- bution made by Mrs. Gandhi for eradication secularism and nOD alignment. That has of poverty. Is it not that we declared the been the principle. Of course, there are 20 point programme? Has anybody there problems still in Punj.;b and Assam and got any programme? They have never Ceylon. We have to fight them out. There bothered about the poor. They have never are political problem~. We have to solve bothered about the poor people, the them politically. We cannot sit in closed Scheduled Castes, the Scheduled Tribes and room and discuss and debate them, just as the Backward Classes. Shri Rajiv Gandhi the Opposition do. We bave the will to do. is going ahead and he is the youthful leader We have to sacrifice many things. Shri of this country. He bas not been approved Rajiv Gandhi has stood by his word~ and by our o~ n people onJy but also by outside he has promisel.i and that promi~e has been coontries Therefore, I would appea I to my ful:1Hed. The OPPOSitiOn do not llave any friends there to support him in the interests promise and they never pr-rfonn. How of the progress of this country and in the Prof Madhu Dandavate has been criticising! na tional interests. Now he is saying that we have not done any- thmg for the country. How are they perform- SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji) : ing? What is the cleanliness? What is the The Presidential Add ress in fact is a very value politics? Have they got any value ? essential requirement of our Constitutian Recently lac;t week, in Karnataka. everybody and I humbJy feel that by boycotting the knows hJW the drama was played and have Address of the President of India w)lich is they done anything for the country? For two done under the Constitution of thi~ country, or three years, when he was a minister, what the Opposition, in away, have shown utter was the economic condition of the country ? disrespect not only to the highest functionary It was very difficult to bring the country of the land but to the Constitution itself ..• back to normalcy. They have never declared (Interruptions) If the Opposition thmks any programme. They do not have any that in this manner then bave drawn programme. But we periodically every five the attention of the public and gained some years declare our programmes. This is the sympathy of the public, they are thorouphly only secular papty. That is why, it has mistaken. If you ha\e asc;;essed the sympathy carried out its programmes. Other parties of the public after your boycott, I do not have no secularism and no programmes. think by boycotting you have atta;ned They are just casual1y commg and telling anythtng. Some positive act of yours lnay something and preaching communalism and gain sympathy but a negative act like regionalism. They mject so poisonous many this, like boycotting the Address of the things in the country. I am sorry about the President, I do not think, may get yon lnd attitude of the Oppusition. They never sympathy. cooperate in a con'itructive effort. Where was the petrol? It it not the Cungress Last year our Prime Minister promised Government Vv hich thought in advance and a clean government and a clean public lIfe to produced so much of p:?trol? Are we not the people of th is country. This is the core leading to self-sufficiency ? What else is of the message and the commitment that the required? We ate g )jng to have a pr.)- Prime Minister gave to tbis country. I may gramme for women and dowry system and say most humbly as a Member of this House everything has to be seltled It is a big and also as a keen observer of what the country and the population is increasing. out Government has done, irrespective of of propottion. We have programmes. membership of my Party, that this single Once Mrs. Gandhi, it pains me to tell, aspect has been tackled on a war footing by declared emergency. It wa~ out of constitu- the Government and by our party. It is within tional necessity. She wanted to bring a short span of time of the declaration of discipline in this country. But that was this commitment that the Anti-defection law totany mistaken and misunderstood by many. was brought to the House and it waC) a widely So ma'1y.things !1re critjci~ed by these friends. di~cussed and accepted by the House and O'Jt or that eriticlsfTl they won and again today it ic; in force to give a very dean thc!y lost beOau<;e people realised. Thit;; public )ife and it is for the first time that we ".U •• t'ol 1, '''.''1 till" tD Sbil NY."",I 1M Cba' there is no itOQr -crossiol here and ~89 Motion o/Tlzanks on PHAtGUNA 7, 1907 (SA.KA) the President;, AdJress 39G there. Therefore, even one MLA today had it has to be seen how the public grievanc e to resign his seat to join a party. That is machinery in going to be established by the the way of political life that our government Government. Government is taking keen give to this country. interest in this regard. Secondly we also introduced in this These important steps have been taken House the LokpaI Bill and it has gone to by the Government. I do not think any the Select Committee. It deals with al1 the other argument is required in favour of the aspects of corruption. That is in case there is point that Government intends to have a coruption in the important machinery of the clean public life in the country. Government, in the Ministers, etc. to scrutinise this aspect an important machinery Then I come to the grievances as far as will be installed by virtue of that Bill when procedures are concerned. This is the normol it becomes law. That is the immediate step tbing which we ~ee : a citizen has to go from which was taken after the Anti-defection pliJar to post to achieve a single thing. law. It is not a minor step which has Government, I think, has looked into this been taken. Such an important step aspect also of cutting short the procedures and important legislation has been and thus mitigating the agonies of the people taken as per the commitment of the Prime caused by these procedures. To achieve a Minister. single thing, if a person has to go to four officers at four different times spending a lot Thirdly, now this aspect of public of time, it has to be stopped. If this has to grievances. Because we have got so may be stopped, merely administrative orders will organisations and Government Ministries not suffice. Sometimes what we do is we people, s problems at far off places are' issue guidelines for a particular objective. perhaps not solved and people have their own But the guidelines sometimes are not in grievances which do not reach to tbe proper conformity with 1he existing Jaw. Suppose authorities in proper time and in a proper the law says that for a particular thing one manner. According to my information, the has to go to four officers at four different Government of India intends to instal an times and fill four or five forms and if say in appropriate machinery in each Department the guidelines that this is not required, then to hear public grievances. That is, if any it runs country to what is contained in the person has a grievance against officer on any law. The officer will insist on adopting that aspect, he can straightway go to that particular procedure mentioned in the law. machinery which is instaJIed and complain Therefore, I would suggest to the Government against the Director or Deputy Director or that we have to review all the legislations in Assistant Secretary or whosoever it is. This this country, speciaJJy the Central ones, and machinery will be available in each see whether the procedure involved Can be Department. In this respect I would like to cut. Wherever it is agreed that tne procedure suggest that, in case this machinery is an should be cut, appropriate amendments have ind~pendent administrative machinery just to be brought to the concerned legislations. like judiciary, it will be better. Suppose we Things have to be done in a proper manner. have an administrative machinery in the If you i~sue only guidelines, in spite of Health Ministry consisting of officers of the your good intention, the objective may not Health Minstry; then it will not be an be achieved. independent machinery. If in each State and at the Central level we have an independent Another thing the Government has done machinery to hear pubhc grievances, then is to establish Administrative Tribunals the person who is aggrieved by the dBcision tbroughout the country. This is very good in of the Industry Ministry or Health Ministry the sense that those emplo)'ees who are can straightway go to that machinery and aggrieved by the decisions of their officers make the complaint. This machinery should need not go to the normal count of Jaw; have the power to call offic~rs and also call special Tlibunals have been established for for files, etc. so that they can look info tbam them to hear their petitions so that the whether the grievance is correct or not. This disposal will be fast and there will w~ a is only a su&Sestion I am makio&. Of course, sp~cific authority to heal" tbose arievances • . ~ ..... ~1 Motion 01 thanks on FEBRUAl.Y 26, 1986 [Shri Sbantaram NaikJ all these public litigations, I would say that Earlier there were various High Courts to some sort of legislation or law shonld be which the petition used to lie. Now the enacted for this purpose. Government have established only a few Administrative Tribunals. As a result, people About the water resources we are who are hying in far-off places have to come sanction ing again in the next year something to the Tribunal all the way spending a lot of for the drinking water. In my territory Goa, time and thus the agonies of the employees we have got two important irrigation do not gel mitigated. I would urge upon the projects. They are Mandovi and Tillari Government to establish more Administrative Irrigation Projects. It is good that we look Tribuna]s. after also the environment. When a project is undertaken we also see to the forest Regarding judiciary, I would like to say wealth. Sometimes some forest area or some a few words. I have mentioned earlier in part of it has to be cut in order to have a this House a very vital point. I do not project. But in the name of environment know whether the Law Minister bas taken certain attitudes are taken that if there is a Dote of this. It is this Parliament and the forest in a particular area, this project will Legislatures of States which enact laws. The not go. In my territory sometime such jud\ciary has been given the power to objections are being taken. Good irrigation interpret laws. But unfortunately what we projects which are likely to irrigate so many see today is that the judiciary is acres of land are being obstructed. To transgressing upon the powers of Parliament construct them some bushes of a forest have and State Legislatures. So much so who says to be cut; but objections are being taken for that even what projects should be sanctioned, this. Therefore, I appeal that while what amount for the project should be considering projects of irrigation and sanctioned, when that project should be environment. no unilateral view should be complete is told by the judiciary. It has been taken on the environment, the overall done, instances are there where certain judges aspects, overall benefits to the society as a of the Supreme Court order the Government whaJe should be taken into consideration. officials to do certain things, to complete a project and to give additional finance to a As far as industries are concerned, I project and alI these things. "'here are we. would say that, as I have said in the last Now in the realm of our powers all these session also, we have got so many piecemeal tlJings lie. Therefore, if there is any anomaly legislations on the industrial Jaw. The time the Law Ministry should examine and make has come when we enacted a consolidated necessary moves in this regard. industrial law covering all the aspects of the industry-at least tbe major ones. We cannot In the same way the public litigations cover alI the industrial aspects in one law, but are also a good tbing which has been started consideration of the major aspects of the by the Supreme Court. The Parliament industrial law into one uniform consolidated had Dot passed any law on pubJic law is the need of the bour. litigation. It is the Courfs interpretation that bas created it. It is good As far as women are concerned, I would otherwise, but the initiative should come very much urge the Labour Minister that and they could have at the most suggested certain industries be reserved for women to the Parliament that these sort of things labour. We are earmarking certain industries are required. Otherwise they should be only where women labour shaH be employed. guided by some law as to where and what If we do this,. we will be doina something in sort of public litigation should be that connection for employing the women entertained. Just because a person WrItes a labour. post card or an inland letter it looks very nice. A post card is treated as a writ petition, Lastly I would say that we have given it is very SOod. An inland Jetter is treated as right stress on literacy programme in the a writ petition. But where do we go and to Presidential Addres~. Unless we literate one what extent? There must be lome fixation people, literate our mass, enlighten them or some guidelines. Therefore, maintaining with respect to their rights, our efforts with 193 Motion ofTkank. on PHALGUNA 1, t9O'7 (SAKA) the Pre,ldent's Acldrels ~94 respect to giving them all the rights- Shri Shahabuddin bas said a lot about constitutional or otherwise-will be wasted the black money also, but he did not say because they must be aware of each and that we shall have to work tirelessly to get every right that the Constitution gives to rid of the scourage of black money. He them, law gives to them, the country gives bas instead said that we are sinking deep to them. into it. This situation has been created in the country in those two and half year rule of Janata Party. Shri Rajiv Gandhi [Translation] has made sincere efforts to root out corrup- tron in the last one year and we are com- SHRI MADAN PANDEY (GorakhpuTj: mitted to eradicate it altogether in the next Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, with your per- four years. The opposition is jealous of mission, I rise to support &.he metion of the appreciation that tbe Congress Govern- thanks on the President's Address. ment is getting for its pr0grammes. In this connection, the most forceful We find that Shri Shahabuddin is angry speech from the opposition benches came because the Janta Party failed to get even a from Shri Shababuddin. He painted a single seat from Assam or Punjab. We picture which depicted that tbere was only are proud that even after losing in Assam poverty, misery and starvation in the we have been victorious. The opposition country. According to bim, there was is in power there. We have taken this lawlessness all round as if there was no step so that Eastern India, particularly government and there was no rule of law. Assam, can advance on the path of progress. The media in our country present a bit of Those who blame Shri Rajiv Gandhi for their view also. If one sided version of the Punjab Tangle, should ask Shri Barnala that speech is circu1ated thoughout the why has he not been also to flush out the country and if it goes before the world at terrorists. If the Centre intervenes, the large, it will be contrued that no work bas opposition would raise their voice that it is been done in India. Therefore, by depict- interference in the state autonomy. He is ing a wrong picture, he has presented him- angry because the Minorities Front did not self before the House in a manner that I do win the elections in Assam. The Congress not desire to applied it though it was his has been victorious in its defeat in Assam maiden speech. and we are sure that the Barnala Govern- ment will flush out the terrorists. If the Barnala Government fail to do so, it will Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, one thing I have to face the people. The Centre cannot want to say to those who were clapping remain a silent spectator to the situation in during the speech of Shri Sbahabuddin and Punjab for long. ask them whether example of a clean ad- ministration is not before them? This is An Akali Member had said that only no secret that a number of raids have been the Sikhs have played a great role in the conducted on the corrupt officials. Do they freedom struggle. Everybody knows that not feel after going through the newspapers Lala Lajpat Rai sacrificed his life for Punjab that tbe government beaded by Shri Rajiv and Sikhs fought with him shoulder to Gandhi is all set to root out corruption and shoulder in the freedom struggle. But to see that politics is cleansed. Is Shri today when the Akali Member rose to speek Shahabuddin aware tbat there government I wanted to ask him a question but I did in Karnataka is intact only because the not get a chance because be left the House Anti-Defection Bill, of which it was said after be finished his speech. Shri Bamala that it was introduced by Sbri Rajiv Gandhi and the Akali Dal should clarify why this in haste, is jn force there also. Today, it blood-bath is still continuing in Punjab? is because of that Bill that Janata Party Government is there in Kamataka There is no doubt whatever we have with Shri Ram Krishna Hegde as chief done during the past one year is being Minister. I would also remind him that acclaimed throughout the world, though the our government have swung into action opposition nlay not desire to do so. It is against tbe capitalists also. true that the sun shines on all Ule places 395 Motion 0/1'hoIiks 0'; FEBRUARY 26, 1986 (Shri Madan Pandey] as in 1947. The situation in respect of industrial relations in the country is very alike but if the pit is quite deep the sun much different now than it was prevailing rays do not reach there. We have tried at that time. It should, therefore, be our best to previae feod in every corner of suitably modified. lInterruptions) I had the country through our programmes. It to mention many more things but as the may also be true that the sun does not bell has been lung twice I would thank Mr. shine equal1y well on ditches etc. ]n spite Deputy Speaker for giving me an oppor- of accepting this flaw, our performance tunity to speak and I conclude by support- during the 1ast one year has been commend- ing the mention of Thanks. able. Keeping in view this performance I would appeal to the Members of the SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL oppsition to support lhe Motion of Thanks. (Kopargaon): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for giving me an opportunity to I would like to draw your attentiun to ~peak. 1 rise to support the Motion of some of the points which have been toucbed. Thanks on \ the President's Address moved Parts of Eastern Uttar Pradesh and North by Shri Faleiro. The President has rightly Western Bihar are the most backward in the empba~ized the need for a strong nation country. 'Burhi Gandak' flows througbs and bas appealed to all to rise above party these areas. I was expecting that in today's politics and fight the communal and tbe Railway Budget some provision must have fissipaJ ous forces. All the parties must ~ been made for the proposed Chitauni work hand in hand because we observe that Bagaha bridge on the Gandhak river between disturbances are widespread particularly the said areas. The bridge was inaugurated in the border area of Punjab adjacent to by Shrimati Indira Gandhi in 1974. But Pakistan. The same serious situation has I was disappointed today as no special developed in Sf inagar, Jammu and Kashmir provision has been made in this regard, I where communalism is gaining ground. All I would like more provision to be made in the political parties must work hand in this respect in future. With the help of hand to make India strong. It has been this bridge we could construct a road on the enshrined in the Constitution that nationa- Indo-Nepal border \\'hich would be of lism, secularism, socialism and democracy strategic impurtance and enable us to are the bedrock of India's unity and there formulate more schemes for the development is need to maintain Unity in tbis respect. "f the area across the river. It will also be Some of the political parties in the country helpful in the construction of more roads try to take polltical advantage of the situa- and railway lines. tion and this weakness becomes a matter of joy for them. I would, therefore, appeal The President's Ac!dress fails to make a to all the parties to be united in the interest mention of those projects which are lying of nation, people and democracy. A incomplete due to nleagre allocations. It popular Government has been installed in would have been better if adequate alloca- Punjab but even then peace has not been tions had been made so as to complete tbe established there and torror still reigns there. projects. This needs Governments Tbe chief Ministers of Punjab and Haryana immediate attention. are taking different stand at public meetings with regard to Punjab Accord. I would This Address has failed to mention about appeal, through this House, to both the a category of workers though many things chief Ministers aod other political leaders to have been done for them. It seems that create a conducive atmosphere for the the point was overlooked while preparing implementation of the Accord and the the Address. These getting a salary upto working of the Committee headed by a Rs. 1600 will be given bonus, and more judge. In my opinion contradictory views Gratuity. But the Address fails to mention beil1g expressed by the chief Ministers in it. the public meetings to gain popularity. will certainly be detrimental to the unity and tbe The Addre§s also fails to make a men- integrity of tbe country. I would, therefore, tion of the Industrial Disputes Act which appeal to them tbrough the House not to bad been enacted in tbe country as far back continue with it but extend cooperation for ~K~) 397 Motion o/Thanks on PHA L GUNA 7 , 1907 (S'JI n the Pre3ident's Addresl 398 creating conducive atmosphere. They should farmers. We have no objection to it. The extend aU possible help for the success of the production as well as employment opportu- courage and determination shown by the hone nities would increase theteby. Unless a Prime Minister is this respect. National Water Policy is formulated, our agricultural land cannot be brought under irrigation on a large sca1e. The buffer stock You may recollect that at the time when of foodgrains can be increased only when Maharashtra and Gujarat states were being production is stepped up, which is possible formed, there was a bitter dispute whether through increased irrigation facilities. Barring Bombay city should remain in Mahara~htra Punjab, Haryana, some parts of Uttar or in Gujarat. A number of agitations were Pradesh and Andhra Pradesh, other states launched by the people in this connection. of India are not self sufficient in the matter The then Chief Minister Shri Y. B. Cbavan of foodgrains. There is shvrtage of pulses agreed to pay some amount to Gujarat to and oil-seeds. I would, theH.forc, strc~s that build its capital and tbe same was given to there is net:d to formulare National Water Gujarat. At that time I think our leader late Policy and undertake research in dry farming. Shrimati Indira Gandhi was President of the A numl~er of projects are lying incomplete An India Congress Committee and she played due to lack of support to the National Water an active role in solving the problem. Pandit Policy. Some States wact this policy while lawahar LaI Nehru had also agreed to this others are not in its favour. Those States, proposal and with the consent of this House who do not want this policy, feel that tbe the problem was solved in a peaceful manner. water of their rivers will flow to other Similarly, the Chief Minister of Punjab and states. I would, therefore, request that a Haryana and a 11 other concerned parties National Water PolIcy should be formulated should extend their full support to create a expeditiously to complete the projects, which congenial atmosphere for solving the border are lying incompl~te, so that maximum area issue peacefully between the two States. of land could be brought under irrigation. So far as the agricultural p~li.;y of the I thas been men tioned in the President'. Government is concerned, it has been Address that an effective strategy for Family mentioned in the Address of the President Planning Programme is being worked out. that a comprehensive policy will be formu- We have not been able to achieve our goals lated in this respect to increase rroductivity due to some hurdles. I know that some of the small and marginal farmers. 1 wou\d States have fixed targets in respect of Family like to warn the Government that the Planning but they are not achieved in the corporate sector is trying to set up big farms real sense. They write factitious names and on the plea of export so as to get exemption say that they have achieved them. People under the Land Reforms Act. It should not belonging to certain religions do not follow be allowed to happen otherwise our Land Family Planning. Unless Family Planning is Reforms Laws would become infructuours. made applicable to all simultaneously, we shall not succeed in our endeavour to imple- Besides, I would request that the cost of ment this programme effectively. On the agricultural inputs should be kept at the one hand tbe population is increasing and minimum level and the farmers should get on the other hand new problems are arising remunerative prices of their produce. Of as a reseult thereof. Our young Prime cource, the income of farmers has increased Minister has always been advising the people to some extent but you should also ensure to take to Family Planning so that unemploy- that the good results of [he research work ment is reduced and the growth of popula- in agriculture should reach the farmers. tion is curbed. All sections of society should Production in dry lands is less. Government support the Family Planning programme is not paying due attention towards it. and no party should take shelter of the plea Shrimati Indira Gandhi had introduced some that such and such religious party does not projecs for drought prone areas. I would want Fam;Jy Planning. Some kind of incen- request (he Government to implement its tive should, therefcre, be given to attract agncllltllf:ll policy prop(;rly. The sr.1all more people towards Family Planning. The farmers should be given subsidy on inputs. result of increase in population is that our You rna)' adopt an), polic)' towards the bi, urban areu art bein& c:QnvC11ed into d\Ulls. 399 Motion 0/ Thanks on FEBRUARY 26, 1~86 Business Advisory Committee 400 the President's Addrl'ss [Shri Balasaheb Vikhe PatiJ) introduced in the House Yesterday. He has The unemployed from the villages are said nothing whether it is a wrong or a migrating to cities for jobs. I would like to correct measure. This communal bias which know from the Government that if the you want to follow is not good. J would say 20 point Programme is living implemented that communal parties in India should be banned. Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Parsis effectively, then how is it t!'..ll the people of villages are migrating to cities? It is good and other communal forces are taking to that we are going to improve our educational the streets in a bid to show their strength. policy and the Education Minister h(is hinted We re~pect an religions. They may follow that more funds would be allotted for different religions a t their homes but outside education in rural sector. As per the new they have only one religion i.e. Indian and educational policy. when we talk of new no other religion is there. Unless we fol1ow technology for providing jobs in tI-,e Iural this concept courageously, we cannot main- areas, some people oppose it on the rlea that tain unity. the new technology will increase unemploy- ment. But a Jeading leader of C.P.I. and a OUf new Prime Minister is leading the prominent leader in India, Shri S.A. Dange country boldly and we must cooperate with bas said ... him. We must ensure his security. The children of Prime Minister cannot attend SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura) the school, because the teachers have Not C.P.I. but AICP. expressed their inability to ensure their security. They cannot play with other SHRI BALAS,\HEB VfKHE PATIL : children in the school and enjoy life. So, the This is the 1ater development, pre"iously secuTlty arrangement should be made more they were all one. In 1969 he said on the stringent and the disruptive forces should occasion of the birth anmversary of ~1ahatma he dealt with an iron hand. Gandhi at Bb0pal- \V ith these words I conclude my speech aoLl S!1pport the President's Address. "E"ery social reformer and liberator of backward classes and of castes must 19.02 hrs. we1com~ and enc0urage the growth of machine both in the factory and in the BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE field" . Nineteenth Report [Translation] And my point is that they want to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE discourage machines on the plea that DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY unemployment would increase but (here is AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD) : no alternative to the new technology. I would I beg to pre5ent the Nineteenth Report like to stress that the new technology wou Id of the Business Advisory Committee. help in reducing unemployment and increas- ing productivity. If the productivity MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The House increases, the country make progress. will stands adjourned to re-assemb1e t('morrow We do not want star war. We want peace. at 11.00 hrs. 19.00 hrs. 19.03 brs. We must take efft!ctive steps about our trade deficit. Sbahabuddin Sahib has said many The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven things against the Government. I would like 0/ the Clock on Thursday, February 27. to know about his reaction to the Bill, 1986/Pha]guna 8, 1907 (Saka). ------_ Chowdhury Mudran Kendra, Maujpur, Delhi-53