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Prayers 5 Motion 5 Congratulations 5 Announcements by the Speaker 6 No. 1 Wednesday Fifth Session 27th January, 2010 Eighth Parliament SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) ADVANCE COPY OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS Wednesday 27th January 2010 Prayers 5 Motion 5 Congratulations 5 Announcements by the Speaker 6 Honourable Dr. Douglas Slater 7 Honourable Daniel Cummings 21 Honourable Rene Baptiste 37 Honourable Montgomery Daniel 56 Dr. the Honourable Godwin Friday 67 Honourable Girlyn Miguel 80 1 Honourable Saboto Caesar 91 Suspension 103 2 THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES OFFICIAL REPORT PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE FIRST MEETING, FIFTH SESSION OF THE EIGHTH PARLIAMENT OF SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES CONSTITUTED AS SET OUT IN SCHEDULE 2 TO THE SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES ORDER, 1979. FOURTH SITTING 27th JANUARY 2010 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY The Honourable House of Assembly met at 9:13 a.m. in the Assembly Chamber, Court House, Kingstown. PRAYERS MR. SPEAKER IN THE CHAIR Honourable Hendrick Alexander Present MEMBERS OF CABINET Prime Minister, Minister of Finance, Economic Planning, National Security, Grenadines and Legal Affairs Member for Central Windward Dr. the Honourable Ralph Gonsalves Attorney General Honourable Judith Jones-Morgan Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade Member for Central Leeward Honourable Louis Straker Minister of National Mobilisation, Social Development, Gender Affairs, Non-Governmental Organisations, Local Government, Persons with Disabilities, Youths and Sports Member for West St. George Honourable Michael Browne Minister of Education Member for Marriaqua Honourable Girlyn Miguel 3 Minister of Rural Transformation, Information, Postal Service and Ecclesiastical Affairs Member for South Central Honourable Selmon Walters Windward Minister of Health and the Environment Member for South Leeward Dr. Douglas Slater Minister of Urban Development, Culture, Labour and Electoral Matters Member for West Kingstown Rene Baptiste Minister of Transport and Works Member for East St. George Honourable Clayton Burgin Minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Member for North Windward Honourable Montgomery Daniel Minister of Telecommunications, Science Technology and Industry Member for North Leeward Honourable Dr. Jerrol Thompson Minister of Tourism, Member for South Windward Honourable Glen Beache Honourable Conrad Sayers Member for Central Kingstown Minister of Housing, Informal Human Settlements, Physical Planning Lands and Surveys Government Senator Honourable Saboto Caesar Honourable Julian Francis Government Senator Honourable Rochelle Forde Government Senator/ Deputy Speaker Parliamentary Secretary in the Prime Minister’s Office Honourable Michelle Fife Government Senator 4 OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE Honourable Arnhim Eustace Leader of the Opposition Member for East Kingstown Dr. the Honourable Godwin Friday Member for Northern Grenadines Honourable Terrance Ollivierre Member for Southern Grenadines Honourable Major St. Claire Leacock Opposition Senator Honourable Daniel Cummings Opposition Senator 5 ST VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY WEDNESDAY 27TH JANUARY, 2010 PRAYER The Honourable Hendrick Alexander reads the Prayer of the House. HONOURABLE MR. SPEAKER: Pray be seated. Honourable Louis Straker before we move the waiver of the 12 (5). HONOURABLE LOUIS STRAKER: I beg to invoke Standard Orders 12 (5) that the business of this day’s proceedings be exempted from the provisions of the Standing Orders hours of sitting. Question put and agreed to HONOURABLE MR. SPEAKER: Before we, … when we closed last night we did not have an indication of anyone, I do not think who would want to … Oh the Honourable Minister of Health! But before you do that Sir I felt moved to say to us or caution us that Paul in his final word to the Philippians said:- “Brethren whatsoever things are true Whatsoever things are honest Whatsoever things are just Whatsoever things are pure Whatsoever things are lovely Whatsoever things are of good report If there be any virtue If there be any praise Think on these things”. And I just thought that we would start off … I am sure that the Honourable Minister of Education would be happy with that [laughs]. HONOURABLE JULIAN FRANCIS: Why only the Honourable Minister of Education? HONOURABLE ST CLAIR LEACOCK: Well she always shows delight and excitement in these things. HONOURABLE JULIAN FRANCIS: [Inaudible] 6 HONOURABLE MR. SPEAKER: Oh I see, okay alright I am sorry then; I am sorry [interjection] that we all would be excited about it, sorry. Okay. Alright Honourable Minister of Health you have 1¼ hours. [Interjection] Oh he is. Okay; he is not a Pauline man. HONOURABLE DR. DOUGLAS SLATER: Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members, good morning, also listeners. Mr. Speaker, I wish to also join in acknowledgement of your admonition from the reading from Paul. I am in fact very impressed and encouraged because I think in my debate I intend to demonstrate and to strengthen the suggestions by St Paul. [Knocking on desk] Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members, I can start by saying how great this Budget is but I do not think I am going to say that. I am going to try and debate the merits of the Budget and hopefully at the end of my debate help to convince myself, others and especially listeners how they should see this Budget, how it applies to them and whether or not it is one that is deserving of my support and their support. Mr. Speaker, I would start by trying to debate what is a Budget? What is the role of Government? What are we doing? It is my humble understanding that governance of a country is basically analogous to the management of a large company; decisions have to be made but those decisions have to be taken in the context of the environment in which that large company our beautiful St Vincent and the Grenadines exists and should be managed. Therefore, who makes the decisions, how they are made and why they are made: to me is very important. And I think these decisions are made in context of a competitive parliamentary system where we have two parties always vying to be in the management seat. And Mr. Speaker, the job of both parties is to try and convince the electors: that is the constituents, that their policies are more suitable to the development of the country. Now, in order to develop policies and to implement them one has to have a philosophy and one has to have certain ideological basis on which these are based. And it is my contention, Mr. Speaker, that therein lays the competition, and the arguments from both sides. It is therefore for us as Vincentians to listen and listen carefully, for us to understand what are the arguments by our government; in whose interest are the decisions made and at the end of the day we also listen to the other side and try and distil from what they are saying if the arguments they are putting forward are on balance, more in the interest of our people. And when I speak of our people I am saying in whose interest we are governing. Our people, by and large we are a poor developing country and I believe when we say our people, I mean the majority of Vincentians who basically are in the lower middle income bracket or can easily be said are poor people. Mr. Speaker, most of us in here and most of us who have achieved certain tertiary education and certain exposure to management would have studied at some time some economics and some political economy and hopefully would have an understanding of systems. You have the Capitalist System, you have the Socialist System and in life it is my opinion that there is no perfect system and whilst we live in what ones call a western styled democracy, I do not think that we can go to extremes and proclaim the virtues of Capitalism or on the other side proclaim and live all the lifestyles and practices of Socialism. Mr. Speaker, we hear for example, from the other side trying to convince the citizens of this country that what the Government is doing is called Communism and sometimes they call it Socialism; that is based on certain measures taken by the Government, some of our policy decisions; decisions that when carefully examined and that is why I say we need to listen to the arguments are really in the interest of our people. 7 Now, if decisions that this government made of which I am proudly part of are assessed to be in the interest of Vincentians whatever ‘ism’ you want to call it; I Douglas Slater support that ‘ism’ [applause]; because at the end of the day there is a statement: that there are no permanent friends, but generally interests are permanent; and we have to determine what is in our interests. And it is based on that that our foreign policy is being implemented; so, we are a poor developing country how do we mobilise the resources to meet the many demands some of them realistic, some of them very unrealistic and Mr. Speaker, as I pledged I am going to try and speak the truth to be honest as St Paul says. I usually do that sometimes to my political detriment but I believe in a … I studied in Cuba and they had a mantra that says, “Principles are not negotiable”, and I am not going to negotiate my principles about the truth and if you want to call me a communist for that because I follow that principle, well I am [interjection] Nah! Because Mr. Speaker, you say honesty. You know, Mr. Speaker, unfortunately but true a lot of our citizens cannot take the truth; they cannot take honesty especially coming from some politicians. If the truth does not please the interests of individuals, they do not want to hear it. So, somebody comes to a politician and they tell them to do something that the politician does not think is proper, but it is supposed to be in the benefit of that person, you are the worst politician out.
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