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No. 2 TUESDAY First Session 8th May, 2001 Seventh Parliament SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) ADVANCE COPY OFFICIAL REPORT CONTENTS Tuesday 8 th May, 2001 Prayers 6 Motion – Constitutional Reform (Continuation of Debate ) 6 Honourable Arnhim Eustace 6 Honourable Michael Browne 15 Dr. the Honourable Godwin Friday 23 Honourable Vincent Beache 31 Honourable Joseph Burns Bonadie 42 Honourable Rene Baptiste 49 Honourable Selmon Walters 54 Dr. The. Honourable Ralph Gonsalves 60 Adjournment 61 THE THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES OFFICIAL REPORT PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE SECOND MEETING, FIRST SESSION OF THE SEVENTH PARLIAMENT OF SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES CONSTITUTED AS SET OUT IN SCHEDULE 2 TO THE SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES ORDER, 1979. TH THIRD SITTING 8 May, 2001 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY The Honourable House of Assembly met at 10.00 a.m. in the Assembly Chamber, Court House, Kingstown. PRAYERS MR. SPEAKER IN THE CHAIR Honourable Hendrick Alexander Present MEMBERS OF CABINET Prime Minister, Minister of Finance, Planning, Economic Development, Labour, Information, Grenadines and Legal Affairs. Dr. The Honourable Ralph Gonsalves Member for North Central Windward Attorney General Honourable Judith Jones-Morgan Minister of National Security, the Public Service and Airport Development Honourable Vincent Beache Member for South Windward 3 Minister of Education, Youth and Sports Honourable Michael Browne Member for West St. George Minister of Social Development, Co-operatives, The Family, Gender and Ecclesiastical Affairs Honourable Girlyn Miguel Member for Marriaqua Minister of Agriculture, Lands and Fisheries Honourable Selmon Walters Member for South Central Windward Minister of Health and the Environment Honourable Dr. Douglas Slater Member for South Leeward Minister of Telecommunications, Science Technology and Industry Honourable Dr. Jerrol Thompson Member for North Leeward Minister of Tourism and Culture Honourable Rene Baptist Member for West Kingstown Minister of State in the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sports Honourable Clayton Burgin Member for East St. George Minister of State in the Ministry of Agriculture, Lands and Fisheries Honourable Montgomery Daniel Member for North Windward Minister of State in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade Honourable Conrad Sayers Member for Central Kingstown Minister of Transport, Works and Housing Honourable Julian Francis Government Senator Honourable Edwin Snagg Government Senator, Parliamentary Prime Minister’s Office, Special Responsibility for Labour and Grenadines Affairs 4 OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE Honourable Arnhim Eustace Member for East Kingstown/ Leader of the Opposition Dr. the Honourable Godwin Friday Member for Northern Grenadines Honourable Terrance Ollivierre Member for Southern Grenadines Honourable Juliet George Government Senator Honourable Andrea Young Government Senator/Deputy Speaker Honourable Joseph Burns Bonadie Opposition Senator Honourable Gerard Shallow Opposition Senator ABSENT Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade. Honourable Louis Straker Member for Central Leeward 5 SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY TUESDAY 8 th MAY, 2001 PRAYERS Mr. Speaker read the Prayers of the House. MOTION CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM - Continuation of the debate. HONOURABLE ARNHIM EUSTACE : We on this side of the House have some particular concerns, and I would like to refer, Mr. Speaker, at this time to some of those concerns; but I wish to preface my remarks in this regard on the impact of what is happening around us internationally on the nature of our economy, the nature of our social systems and there in that way highlight the concerns that I have, that we on this side of the House have in relation to the importance of Constitutional Reform in this regard. Mr. Speaker, all of us are apprised in this Honourable House of the effects of globalization, we hear constantly, we see it on television about the impact that is being felt all over the world, and St. Vincent is no exception, in deed Mr. Speaker, we move towards globalization, and liberalization of trade is already impacting and at the present time, Mr. Speaker, impacting relatively negatively on our economy and on our social structure. And it is very important, Mr. Speaker, that we spend some time looking at this particular matter. Mr. Speaker, one of the sections of the Constitution of some concern, Mr. Speaker, has to do with the Public Service Commissions vis-a- vis role, Public Service. It is our submission, Mr. Speaker, that the State will continue for some time to play a pivotal role in terms of the development of our economy. Not withstanding the much vaunting desire, Mr. Speaker, to have the private sector be the engine of growth, and in that context, Mr. Speaker, the States role is very important, even though it is diminishing, it is important. And, Mr. Speaker, governments have a responsibility to develop policies and programmes for the betterment of the peoples of our country. It is a responsibility that no government can shirk, or it will not be a government, our government will vary as to what 6 extent they believe that the State has a role to play but the point remains, Mr. Speaker, that in small open island economy like our own the Government has a critical role to play. And when I say government, Mr. Speaker, I am not only referring here to the political directorate, not just to the politicians, but I include in that, Mr. Speaker, the public service, which has the responsibility, Mr. Speaker for implementing and indeed sometimes assisting in the formulation of Government policies, and how that Public Service functions, Mr. Speaker, what regulatory mechanisms that are in place, for example, the Public Service Commission, and how that functions and operates, or how it is established, is of germane importance to the performance of government. To the implementation of government policies, and therefore, Mr. Speaker, when we are examining this Constitution, we need to ensure that we have a very critical look at the whole concept of the Public Service Commission. I say so, Mr. Speaker, because I am convinced from my own experience as a public servant, and now at the political level, that the management of the public service can be hamstrung by the way the Public Service Commission, it’s rules and regulations are structured. Many public officers at the management level, Mr. Speaker, complain that they don’t really have sufficient authority to deal with issues, including personnel issues arising in the public service. They don’t have the ability to reward, and where they want to discipline they are hamstrung by the long procedures that are involved. This, Mr. Speaker, is a very serious matter, irregardless of what sort of governments, or which government or which party is in power at a particular time, Mr. Speaker. The ability of that party to get its policies and programmes implemented is the function of how well the Civil Service performs, and how well the Civil Service performs is a function of its management, and a function of the flexibility that that management has, in terms of dealing with problems and issues as they arise. So, Mr. Speaker, not only do we have to look at what is happening internationally, we have to be very clear in our own minds that the structures we put in place do not hamper the duly elected government from implementing the policies which form the basis on which it was elected. Otherwise the whole exercise of election, Mr. Speaker, would be a farce. Our populace, our people elect parties on the basis of the programmes and policies that they put forward to the public, and in that case, Mr. Speaker, that government should not be hamstrung by any inadequacies in terms of our Constitution. To the extent that it limits the ability, maybe it is the way it has functioned in the past. But certainly, Mr. Speaker, a process that takes two years for instance, to discipline a public officer really frustrates the manager in the public service. If one is going to take two years, because of the procedure to be followed to either reward or discipline persons, then Mr. Speaker, you can imagine the impact of that on managers in the public Service. And for me, Mr. Speaker, that is a very critical concern when we discuss this whole question of constitutional reform. To me it is meaningless, Mr. Speaker, and we on this side have discussed this, it is meaningless to have Constitutional reform unless this 7 particular issue is addressed. I believe that everyone of us in this House, is aware of some of the difficulties associated with the implementation of programmes and policies because of some of these constraints, and we need to spend time, Mr. Speaker, in this discussion, and based on this motion when we discuss Constitution and changes to it, I believe we need to spend a lot of time on this particular issue. Mr. Speaker, there is another aspect of that which is also vitally important, Mr. Speaker, in terms of our economy; we call it the fast changes taking place globally, the rapid changes in technology. There is need for more speed in terms of implementation, we have to keep up and sometimes we have to run ahead and anticipate changes. And to the extent, Mr. Speaker, that provisions, including some of those that relate to Public Service Commission, are hindrance in this regard, we have to address these issues very carefully. Mr. Speaker, we are speaking about the livelihood of the people of St. Vincent and the Grenadines. We are speaking about the economy of St. Vincent and the Grenadines in the future, and therefore to that extent, Mr. Speaker, it is of critical importance. So I am not only concerned with the ability to manage, but also, Mr.