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Dáil Éireann Vol. 736 Thursday, No. 3 23 June 2011 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DÁIL ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Déardaoin, 23 Meitheamh 2011. Requests to move Adjournment of Dáil under Standing Order 32 ……………… 459 Order of Business ……………………………… 459 Visit of Northern Ireland Assembly Delegation …………………… 463 Order of Business (Resumed) …………………………… 463 Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) Bill 2011: Instruction to Committee …………………………… 467 Committee and Remaining Stages ……………………… 481 Ceisteanna — Questions Minister for Justice and Equality Priority Questions …………………………… 563 Other Questions …………………………… 571 Adjournment Debate Matters …………………………… 584 Adjournment Debate School Staffing ……………………………… 584 School Accommodation …………………………… 586 National Monuments …………………………… 588 Missing Persons ……………………………… 590 Questions: Written Answers …………………………… 593 DÁIL ÉIREANN ———— Déardaoin, 23 Meitheamh 2011. Thursday, 23 June 2011. ———— Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Requests to move Adjournment of Dáil under Standing Order 32 An Ceann Comhairle: Before coming to the Order of Business, I propose to deal with two notices under Standing Order 32. Deputy Martin Ferris: I seek the adjournment of the Dáil under Standing Order 32 to raise an issue of national importance, namely, the proposed extradition to the USA of an Irish citizen, Seán Garland; the politically motivated accusations that have been made against him; and the warrant issued against him, which was processed in camera by a US grand jury, a process which is universally discredited. The US justice department is persisting with its accu- sations even though it has failed to produce any evidence that Mr. Garland has been involved in illegal currency. An Ceann Comhairle: Thank you, Deputy. Deputy Martin Ferris: If the extradition of Seán Garland is allowed to proceed, it will be a miscarriage of justice. An Ceann Comhairle: Further comments are not permitted under Standing Order 32. Deputy Martin Ferris: I appeal to the Tánaiste, in particular, to ensure that will not happen. Deputy Timmy Dooley: The Tánaiste might have a view on it. Deputy Martin Ferris: I am quite certain he would have a lot of company. Perhaps half the Cabinet would be on the plane on the way back with him. An Ceann Comhairle: The Deputy must stick to what he submitted to my office. The matter he has raised is not in order. As Deputy Crowe is not in attendance to pursue his notice under Standing Order 32, we will proceed to the Order of Business. Order of Business The Tánaiste: It is proposed to take No. 15a, Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) Bill 2011 — motion to instruct the committee; and No. 19, Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) Bill 2011 — Committee and Remaining Stages. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. and business shall be interrupted 459 Order of 23 June 2011. Business. [The Tánaiste.] on the conclusion of Question Time, which shall be taken for 75 minutes on the conclusion of No. 19, and in the event of a Private Notice Question being allowed, it shall be taken after 45 minutes and the order shall not resume thereafter; No. 15a shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 65 minutes, with speeches being confined to the Minister or Minister of State and the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order, who may share their time and whose speeches shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case, and the Minister or Minister of State being called upon to make a speech in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; and the Committee and Remaining Stages of No. 19 shall be taken today and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 5 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Finance. An Ceann Comhairle: There are three proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. today agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 15a agreed? Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív: It is not agreed. The Government had plenty of time to prepare the Ministers and Secretaries (Amendment) Bill 2011. The idea that amendments which require a Second Stage debate have to be introduced at this stage is objectionable. I object in principle to what is going on here. If we call a vote, I do not doubt that the Government will steamroll its way through. We would use valuable time that the Opposition needs to tease out this Bill with the Government on the floor of the House. While I object to this legislation being taken in this way, I will not call a vote on the matter because I do not want to waste valuable time that could be used to debate the Bill. The Government is steamrolling everything through, despite its promises of Dáil reform. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: Brilliant. The Tánaiste: The Minister with responsibility for public expenditure and reform has briefed the Opposition spokespersons on these amendments. The two amendments relate to matters that were outside the terms of the original Bill. One of the amendments relates to how some NTMA staff in the Department of Finance are affected by the splitting of the Department. The other amendment clarifies the functions of the Revenue Commissioners and gives them more independence in certain areas. I do not think there is any major issue in relation to those matters. Question, “That the proposal for dealing with No. 15a be agreed to”, put and declared carried. An Ceann Comhairle: Is the proposal for dealing with No. 19 agreed? Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív: No. I have the same objection in this case. It is the same problem. We were told there would be no guillotines. We were told extra sitting days would be provided for in order that matters could be teased out. Deputy Jerry Buttimer: Where were the Deputy and his colleagues yesterday? An Ceann Comhairle: I do not need Deputy Buttimer’s help. Every morning it is the same. Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív: If there is no guillotine—— 460 Order of 23 June 2011. Business. An Ceann Comhairle: I do not need it. Deputy Jerry Buttimer: Where were they yesterday? Deputy Dara Calleary: We were bored of listening to the Deputy. Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív: It is in principle objectionable—— Deputy Jerry Buttimer: They were missing in action. Deputy Barry Cowen: Take a break. Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív: ——that the Opposition will not have time between the Committee and Report Stage debates on this Bill. I believe Report Stage should be taken next week. Will the Tánaiste agree to Committee Stage being taken today and a gap being provided for before Report Stage is taken next week? Having waited more than 100 days to get this far, I cannot understand why another four or five days would make a material difference. Why can we not provide for full and open debates and appropriate gaps between the various legislative stages, which is what the Government said it would do when it was in Opposition? Deputy Pearse Doherty: We oppose the imposition of a guillotine on this Bill, just as we have done previously. Yesterday, we opposed in principle the proposal to impose a guillotine on the Finance (No. 3) Bill 2011. We saw what happened at the end of that debate. Deputy Bernard J. Durkan: There was no one there. Deputy Pearse Doherty: When legislation is supported by the House, there is no need for Deputies to continue to waffle about it. There was no need to provide for a guillotine on yesterday’s Order of Business. Similarly, we oppose in principle the imposition of a guillotine on this significant Bill. The Department and the Minister do not know the full outworking of the separation of the various Departments. We will not be able to have a proper discussion on the Committee Stage amendments that have been tabled. The debate is being stifled. It is not a good principle. The Government gave a commitment not to impose guillotines. Sinn Féin opposes the imposition of guillotines. This is happening far too often. The Government is introducing guillotine after guillotine on debates. In some cases, no guillotine is required. It is wrong to ask us to conclude our debate on this legislation at 5 p.m. There is no reason we cannot stay here later, if required, to deal with the Committee Stage amendments that have been tabled. We should take Report Stage at a later date. That would give us time for the necessary consideration of the information the Minister will provide in response to our queries later today. Deputy Pat Rabbitte: Deputy Doherty will be in Aughnacloy by then. The Tánaiste: One of the issues raised most frequently by the Opposition with the Govern- ment on legislation was when the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform would be formally established and the legislation introduced. Several Deputies on the Opposition ben- ches have been asking us for some time to have this Department formally established and the legislation passed so that they could put questions to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform and have the normal accountability for it. This morning we have the legislation before the House and the Opposition asks us to delay it. Deputy Ó Cuív does not want it concluded until next week. This is legislation that we were told he wanted to do quickly. 461 Order of 23 June 2011. Business. Deputy Timmy Dooley: We waited long enough and we are prepared to wait another day or two to get it right.
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