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Wednesday Volume 657 3 April 2019 No. 283 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 3 April 2019 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2019 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1013 3 APRIL 2019 1014 Alun Cairns: The hon. Gentleman seems to forget House of Commons that Wales voted to leave the European Union. Also, I underline that Wales voted to leave the European Union in higher numbers than the average across the rest of Wednesday 3 April 2019 the United Kingdom. Of course we are keen to work with all political parties to secure a smooth and efficient The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock exit from the European Union. Let us be frank: the Welsh public and the UK public want to draw a line under this chapter. PRAYERS Stephen Crabb (Preseli Pembrokeshire) (Con): Is not [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] the key problem that we are facing with the withdrawal agreement at the moment that there are just too many MPs from Wales and elsewhere—on the Opposition Oral Answers to Questions Benches and some on our side—who go to their constituencies at the weekend and tell their leave voters that they want to get on with Brexit, but who then come back here on a Monday and find every trick in the book WALES and every excuse to vote against implementing Brexit? The Secretary of State was asked— Alun Cairns: My right hon. Friend has absolutely hit the nail on the head and I am grateful for his support. Leaving the EU: Discussions with He is well aware that, last Friday, the Opposition voted First Minister of Wales against the withdrawal agreement, having previously said that they had no differences with the withdrawal 1. Tommy Sheppard (Edinburgh East) (SNP): What agreement. That seems to demonstrate that they are recent discussions he has had with the First Minister of seeking to create as much chaos as they can, rather than Wales on the withdrawal agreement and political declaration acting in the national interest. on the future relationship between the UK and the EU. [910110] Mr David Jones (Clwyd West) (Con): Can my right 2. Patrick Grady (Glasgow North) (SNP): What recent hon. Friend confirm that, in discussing the withdrawal discussions he has had with the First Minister of Wales agreement with the Welsh First Minister, he has made on the withdrawal agreement and political declaration clear the Government’s position, which is to rule out on the future relationship between the UK and the EU. participation in the customs union? [910111] Alun Cairns: My right hon. Friend is well aware that The Secretary of State for Wales (Alun Cairns): I have this House has not yet come to a conclusion as to regular discussions with the First Minister on the whether it wishes to call on the Government to be part implications and opportunities for Wales arising from of the customs union or not. So far everything has been EU exit, including the withdrawal agreement and the rejected and the Prime Minister is seeking to work political declaration. across the House, and with colleagues in all parties, to come to an agreement on what the House actually Tommy Sheppard: Given the new easy listening approach wants. of the Prime Minister, will the Government give a commitment that they will discuss any new proposals 12. [910122] Lloyd Russell-Moyle (Brighton, Kemptown) that they make on withdrawal from the European Union (Lab/Co-op): Does the Secretary of State believe that with the First Minister of Wales and the Welsh Government the Welsh economy will be stronger under the prior to the meeting of the European Council? withdrawal agreement and the political declaration or Alun Cairns: The hon. Gentleman is well aware that weaker, and will he support a strong Welsh economy or my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister is keen to work a weaker Welsh economy? with colleagues across the House to secure a deal to leave the European Union in a smooth and orderly way. Alun Cairns: With the actions that the Government My relationship with the Welsh Government, and are planning, I am optimistic about our prospects outside specifically with the First Minister in Wales, is warm, the European Union. Having travelled internationally—I positive and constructive. As the hon. Gentleman will was in Japan some weeks ago and in China at the end of be well aware, the First Minister or someone that he last year—I am encouraged by the interest that has been nominates attends the European Union exit committee, shown in the UK economy, and I believe that Wales and which focuses on preparedness in the event of a no deal. the UK economy will be prosperous outside the European Union. Patrick Grady: If it is good enough for this House to be asked repeatedly to approve the Prime Minister’s Liz Saville Roberts (Dwyfor Meirionnydd) (PC): The deal, why is it not good enough to put it back to the Secretary of State told my colleague, the hon. Member people of Wales? If the Secretary of State is so confident for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards), in the merits of the Prime Minister’s deal, why is he so on the record in the Welsh Affairs Committee two days afraid to put a deal that has been rejected by the ago that he did not want to be “in a situation where Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly back to there is no deal.” Could the Secretary of State explain the people of Wales to decide? to Welsh food producers and manufacturers why there 1015 Oral Answers 3 APRIL 2019 Oral Answers 1016 are press reports after yesterday’s Cabinet meeting that Alun Cairns: In the spirit in which the Prime Minister he was for a short delay? That is, of course, shorthand made her statement yesterday, when she said that she for supporting no deal. was keen to engage on an open and transparent basis, the Leader of the Opposition has said that there are no Alun Cairns: The right hon. Lady is seeking to draw red lines, so I do not know why the hon. Lady is calling me on private discussions within Cabinet meetings, but on me to draw some now. of course she knows that I would not be drawn on those. What I said on the record on Monday I will UK Shared Prosperity Fund happily say on the record now: I do not want to be in a no-deal position and that is the reason that I voted for a 3. Angela Crawley (Lanark and Hamilton East) (SNP): deal. I hope that the Welsh food producers that she What recent discussions he has had with Cabinet colleagues referred to also supported the Prime Minister’s deal, on the UK shared prosperity fund. [910112] and I hope that she will explain to them why she refused to support it. 8. Marion Fellows (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP): What recent discussions he has had with Cabinet colleagues on the UK shared prosperity fund. [910118] Liz Saville Roberts: To lose one Wales Office Minister may be regarded as a misfortune, but to lose four in The Secretary of State for Wales (Alun Cairns): I have little over a year looks like carelessness. Something regular discussions with Cabinet colleagues about a mustmaketheirpositionsuntenable,intolerable,dispensable, range of issues affecting Wales, including the UK shared toxic. When will the Secretary of State admit that his prosperity fund. Leaving the European Union removes office has also become dispensable and too toxic to the geographical and fund-specific constraints that currently serve the interests of Wales? When will he do the right exist, and provides an opportunity to address the concerns thing and resign? of businesses, the voluntary sector and communities about excessive bureaucracy. Alun Cairns: I do not think that a month passes without the right hon. Lady calling for me to take such Angela Crawley: The Government committed themselves action. However, it gives me an opportunity to thank to creating a UK shared prosperity fund to replace EU my hon. Friend the Member for Selby and Ainsty funding that seeks to reduce inequalities across our (Nigel Adams) for his efforts, including his work on the communities between the four nations of the United north Wales growth deal, for which the right hon. Lady Kingdom. Two years later, the fund still does not exist. has shown appreciation in the past. I wish that she Are the Secretary of State and the Secretary of State for would not be so churlish now. Scotland advocating its introduction in the Cabinet, to ensure that Scotland and Wales secure the fairest deal Christina Rees (Neath) (Lab/Co-op): As you know, and will not receive less funding than they currently Mr Speaker, the Newport West by-election will take receive, or than was promised by the leave campaign? place tomorrow, having been called after the sad passing Alun Cairns: The simple fact is that the shared prosperity of our wonderful colleague Paul Flynn. I wish Ruth fund does not exist because we are still part of the Jones, our wonderful candidate, all the best for tomorrow. European Union and receiving that EU funding. There Let me also welcome the Under-Secretary of State for is clearly plenty of space for development, and we will Work and Pensions, the hon. Member for North Swindon be consulting shortly. In respect of the share of funds (Justin Tomlinson), to his place.