MEETING OF THE PARLIAMENT Thursday 12 December 2002 Session 1 £5.00 Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body 2002. Applications for reproduction should be made in writing to the Copyright Unit, Her Majesty‟s Stationery Office, St Clements House, 2-16 Colegate, Norwich NR3 1BQ Fax 01603 723000, which is administering the copyright on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Produced and published in Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body by The Stationery Office Ltd. Her Majesty‟s Stationery Office is independent of and separate from the company now trading as The Stationery Office Ltd, which is responsible for printing and publishing Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body publications. CONTENTS Thursday 12 December 2002 Debates Col. CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE (SERVICES) .................................................................................................. 13273 Motion moved—[Irene McGugan]. Amendment moved—[Cathy Jamieson]. Amendment moved—[Bill Aitken]. Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ......................................................................................... 13273 The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson) .......................................................... 13280 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ..................................................................................................................... 13286 Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) ........................................................................... 13291 Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................. 13294 Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab) .................................................................................................... 13297 Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh (Central Scotland) (Con) .................................................................................... 13299 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) .................................................................................................... 13301 Kay Ullrich (West of Scotland) (SNP) ...................................................................................................... 13303 Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab) ........................................................................................................... 13304 Mr Kenny MacAskill (Lothians) (SNP) ..................................................................................................... 13305 Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 13307 Colin Campbell (West of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................... 13309 Trish Godman (West Renfrewshire) (Lab) .............................................................................................. 13311 Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................. 13313 Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ................................................................................. 13315 Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) ............................................................................................................. 13317 Mr Lloyd Quinan (West of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................. 13319 Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) ................................................................................................................. 13322 Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) ........................................................................................... 13324 The Deputy Minister for Social Justice (Des McNulty) ............................................................................ 13327 Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP) .................................................................................................... 13330 BUSINESS MOTION ........................................................................................................................................ 13336 Motion moved—[Euan Robson]—and agreed to. MOTION WITHOUT NOTICE ............................................................................................................................. 13338 Motion moved—[Fergus Ewing]—and disagreed to. Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP) ................................................................... 13338 The Deputy Minister for Parliamentary Business (Euan Robson) ........................................................... 13339 SCOTTISH INFORMATION COMMISSIONER ....................................................................................................... 13344 Motion moved—[Jackie Baillie]. Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) ............................................................................................................. 13344 Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) .............................................................................. 13345 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ..................................................................................................................... 13348 Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab) ................................................................................ 13348 Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP) ........................................................................................ 13349 Iain Smith (North-East Fife) (LD) ............................................................................................................. 13352 The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Wallace) ............................................................. 13354 Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) ..................................................................................... 13354 Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green) ............................................................................................................. 13356 Jackie Baillie ............................................................................................................................................ 13356 PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTIONS .............................................................................................................. 13359 Motions moved—[Euan Robson]. Amendment moved—[Alex Fergusson]. Alex Fergusson (South of Scotland) (Con) .............................................................................................. 13359 The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Allan Wilson) ....................................... 13360 QUESTION TIME ............................................................................................................................................ 13363 FIRST MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME ................................................................................................................ 13380 FISHERIES 2003 ........................................................................................................................................... 13388 Motion moved—[Ross Finnie]. Amendment moved—[Richard Lochhead]. Amendment moved—[Mr Jamie McGrigor]. The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie) ..................................................... 13388 Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ..................................................................................... 13393 Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con) ................................................................................. 13397 Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) ............................................................................................ 13400 Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP) ....................................................................................... 13402 Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 13404 Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con) .................................................................................... 13406 Tavish Scott (Shetland) (LD) ................................................................................................................... 13408 Dr Winnie Ewing (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) .................................................................................... 13410 Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green) ............................................................................................................. 13412 Mr Alasdair Morrison (Western Isles) (Lab) ............................................................................................. 13413 Alex Johnstone (North-East Scotland) (Con) .......................................................................................... 13415 Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP) ................................................................... 13416 Ross Finnie .............................................................................................................................................. 13418 DECISION TIME ............................................................................................................................................. 13422