[email protected] Ruud have visited the museum in March plus another couple of places round beijing i will include a copy of my log for your ref . Datangshan museum no advance warning needed a car with a driver will cost you £60 for the day eg University museum 09.00 Datanshang 10.30 Great Wall 15.00 Hotel 18.00 if you are staying in a hotel they will fix this up for you Good Luck Al CHINA Problems abound here, with both the old and new forms of names being used. I have tried to indicate both where confusion is likely to occur. Note that CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China) uses a numerical serialling system like military; their aircraft have not been included. One F-86 was donated by Pakistan by 00; its location is at present unknown. Beijing/Nan Yuan Airport (south of city) Mi-8 4211 was stored here in Oct99. Noted in GI use have been: 4210 Mil Mi-8 Oct99 Feb02 1058 An-12 Feb02 50853 Il-18 Feb02 10995 Y-5 Feb02 CUA-50959 An-24 Feb02 All this stuff is on a disused apron and may be some sort of preservation store !!! Trident 50050 (c/n 2132) may have come here from Dandong. See Military Museum Beijing - Aeronautical Institute 37 Xue Yuan Lu, Beijing 100083 (N suburbs of city) Open Tue-Sun 0830-1130, 1400-1700 Although not a formal museum, this site holds much of interest. Most of the aircraft are in a courtyard at the rear of the premises. There are a couple of sheds which probably hold the aircraft listed as stored. XZ965 L BAe Harrier GR.3 ex 4 Sqn 96 Feb 02 7311 Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21F) by98 Feb 02 102 Douglas C-47B by98 Feb 02 (0851) Harbin H-5 (Il-28) c/n 4149 Oct88 Feb 02 Harbin Y-5 (An-2) by98 3709 Harbin Z-5 (Mi-4) Oct88 Feb 02 (6) Ilyushin Il-10 by98 Feb 02 666 Ilyushin Il-14 Nov00 Feb 02 7504 Lavochkin La-9 stored by98 (03) Lavochkin La-11 by98 Feb 02 6201 Mikoyan MiG-9 by98 Feb 02 Mikoyan MiG-9 fuselage by98 Feb 02 7501 Mikoyan MiG-15bis by98 Feb 02 7502 Mikoyan MiG-15bis by98 Feb 02 (one of these is probably 4649 which is though to be here) 0003 Mikoyan MiG-21 by99 03 MRAZ M-1D by98 Nanchang CJ-5 fuselage by98 Feb 02 61664 64 Nanchang CJ-6A by98 Feb 02 1172 Nanchang Q-5 Nov00 Feb 02 assumed NA Harvard IIB c/n 14-233, ex FE499 by98 Feb 02 7506 NA Harvard III c/n 88-15336, ex EX960 stored by98 25171 Northrop P-61B (has also been marked 7602, real i/d unknown) by98 Feb 02 Polikarpov Po-2 stored by98 Feb 02 Republic P-47D (was marked 7601) by98 Feb 02 Republic P-47N by98 018 Shenyang J-5 (MiG-17PF) by98 0004 Shenyang J-6 (MiG-19SF) Oct88 727 Shenyang J-6 (MiG-19SF) stored by98 Feb 02 7703 Shenyang J-6 (MiG-19SF) fuselage by98 14025 Shenyang J-6-II Nov00 Feb 02 5727 Shenyang JJ-5 stored Oct88 Shenyang JJ-5 stored by98 8300 Shenyang J-8-II inside Nov00 Feb 02 10351 Tachikawa Ki-54A by98 Feb 02 Tupolev Tu-2S (was marked 7100-18) by98 Feb 02 7506 Yakovlev Yak-11 by98 Feb 02 Yakovlev Yak-18 stored by98 Feb 02 A few comments on this place. The J-8-II is a mock-up, mostly wood. One of the sheds at the back is full of microlights, the other looks like a classroom and contained the J-6 727 and one more which had most of its panels removed to display its inards. The IL-14 is ex. CAAC. In general the place is quite run down and there was nobody around that spoke English. It is a real museum ( it says so on the university map ) and it even has a shop.We did not read anything off the Harvard so it is assumed to be the one on your list!! Beijing - China Agricultural Museum Il-18 B-228 (ex 50855) is preserved here (95-Apr00). Beijing/Xiaotanshanzen (old name Datang Shan) - Peoples Liberation Army Air Force Museum (30 km North of Beijing) Opened in 1989. Open 0900-1600. Postal code 102211. Tel: 010-61784883, Fax 84882. On bus route 912 from Beijing. Storage area on left side of entrance 103 Aero L-29 Nov91, Ma Feb02 (71291) Antonov An-24 c/n 17307104 May99 Feb02 (equipped with cameras for bomber pilot training) 11244 Chengdu F-7 (MiG-21F) c/n 714611 Nov91 May99 98071 Chengdu F-7 (MiG-21F) main site Oct98 Feb02 11264 Harbin H-5 (Il-28) c/n 54120 Jun94 Feb02 50055 HS Trident 2E c/n 2188 Oct97 Feb02 23 Ilyushin Il-10 May99 33 Ilyushin Il-10 Nov91 Feb02 80 Ilyushin Il-10 fuselage by98 May99 83 Ilyushin Il-10 fuselage by98 May99 35140 Ilyushin Il-12 Nov91 Feb02 3018 Lisunov Li-2 Oct93 Feb02 32 Mikoyan MiG-15 N Korean c/s Nov91 Feb02 0881 Mikoyan MiG-15 Nov91 Feb02 4068 Mikoyan MiG-15 c/n 5269 (marked 8064 on right side) Mar97 May99 4169 Mikoyan MiG-15 lizard c/s Nov91 Feb02 63862 Mikoyan MiG-15bis Nov91 Feb02 1991 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI Nov91 Feb02 2348 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI Nov91 Feb02 4274 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI c/n 722561 Jun94 Feb02 63138 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI c/n 3213 Nov91 Feb02 63635 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI Nov91 May99 63638 Mikoyan MiG-15UTIc/n 10991703 (marked 83636 on right side) Nov91 Feb02 63833 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI c/n 722645 May99 Feb02 12306 Nanchang A-5 Jun94 Jan00 01 white Nanchang CJ-5 (Yak-18) green Jan90 May99 01 Nanchang CJ-5 Mar97 May99 02 white Nanchang CJ-5 (Yak-18) Nov91 May99 03 white Nanchang CJ-5 (Yak-18) yellow Nov91 May99 04 white Nanchang CJ-5 (Yak-18) Nov91 May99 05 white Nanchang CJ-5 (Yak-18) blue Nov91 May99 7610 Nanchang CJ-5 (Yak-18) Nov91 May99 FU-111 NA F-86? May99 1488 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) Nov91 Feb02 3637 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 2231 Nov91 Feb02 8679 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 58237 Nov91 Feb02 31481 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5706 (was marked 148?)Nov91 Feb02 31487 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) Nov91 Feb02 31489 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) Nov91 May99 31580 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5821 Nov91 Feb02 31581 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5738 Nov91 Feb02 31583 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5846 Nov91 Feb02 31584 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5753 Nov91 Feb02 31586 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 58_6 see notes Nov91 May99 31681 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5835 Nov91 May99 31682 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5734 Nov91 Feb02 31685 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5713 Nov91 Feb02 Shenyang FT-5 (MiG-17UTI) May99 Feb02 9214 Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19) Mar97 Feb02 20708 Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19) c/n 5614 Mar97 Feb02 40403 Shenyang F-6I (MiG-19PM) Nov91 Feb02 4989 Yakovlev Yak-11 Nov91 Feb02 Outside 1151 Antonov An-12 Oct98 Feb02 50954 Antonov An-24 Nov91 Feb02 98706 Beriev Be-12 May99 Feb02 70162 Chengdu F-7 (MiG-21F) Mar97 Feb02 36044 Curtiss C-46A Nov91, Feb02 ( 36045?) Curtiss C-46A all 3 clean Nov91 Feb02 (36047?) Curtiss C-46A Nov91 Feb02 4766 Douglas C-47B Jun94 Feb02 3139 Harbin Y-5 (An-2) Jan00 Feb02 7225 Harbin Y-5 (An-2) in cave Mar97 Feb02 60066 Harbin Y-5 (An-2) Mar96 Feb02 3529 Harbin Z-5 (Mil-4) Nov91 Feb02 3685 Harbin Z-5 (Mil-4) Oct97 Feb02 3889 Harbin Z-5 (Mil-4) Nov91 Feb02 7272 Harbin Z-5 (Mil-4) Nov91 Feb02 8673 Harbin Z-5 (Mil-4) Nov91 Feb02 8919 Harbin Z-5 (Mil-4) Jun94 Feb02 26 Harbin Z-6 (Mil-8) (Nov91) Feb02 701 Harbin Z-701 (Bell 47) Nov91, Mar97 50051 HS Trident 2E c/n 2130? unmarkec Nov91, Ma Feb02 35141 Ilyushin Il-12 Nov91 Feb02 35240 Ilyushin Il-12 Nov91, (unpainted in May99, had been marked as 35046 by Feb02) 4202 Ilyushin Il-14P c/n 6341010 (not an Avia 14) Nov93 Feb02 B-230 Ilyushin Il-18V 50851 Jun94 Feb02 311 Lisunov Li-2 c/n 18439703 Nov91 Feb02 3029 Lisunov Li-2 Sep92 Feb02 3049 Lisunov Li-2 c/n 18440204 Oct93 Feb02 5070 Lisunov Li-2 c/n 18440106 Nov91 Feb02 8205 15 Lisunov Li-2 c/n 18439709 Jan90 Feb02 ZX-122 Lisunov Li-2 3019? Taiwan c/s, false marks May99 Feb02 __355 Mil Mi-8 May99 (Jan00) 02 01 Nanchang F-12 (MiG-21) pole-mounted May99 Feb02 2424 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) Nov91 Feb02 31482 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) c/n 5735 top of hill Nov91 May99 31582 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) Nov91 Feb02 51230 Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17) Nov91 Jan00 206__ Tupolev Tu-2 98, May99 Feb02 4____ Tupolev Tu-2 98 Feb02 4114 Tupolev Tu-4 (AEW) c/n 2806501 Nov91 Feb02 4134 Tupolev Tu-4 c/n 225008 Nov91 Feb02 (50256) Tupolev Tu-124 c/n 5351808 Jan90 Feb02 50257 Tupolev Tu-124 c/n 5351809 Mar97 Feb02 50258 Vickers Viscount 843 Nov91 Feb02 Yakovlev Yak-11 (one from list below) May99 Inside the cavern (102) Aero L-29 all white c/s Nov91 Feb02 95690 Bell UH-1H 69-15576 Nov91 Feb02 1783 Canadair Sabre 6 Pakistan AF Jun94 Feb02 3487 Chengdu F-7 (MiG-21F) c/n 70004 Nov91 Feb02 11447 Chengdu F-7 (MiG-21F) c/n 714619 Nov91 Feb02 IV-1 Curtiss BF2C Hawk replica Jan00 Feb02 Curtiss P-40E replica by98 Feb02 DH Mosquito FB.26 (nearly all a replica) Nov91 Feb02 8018 DHC 2 Otter Nov91 5619 Dong Feng 102 (MiG-19) c/n 0307 Nov91 Feb02 Fairchild PT-19A Nov91 Jun94 10198 Harbin H-5 c/n H501305 Nov91 Feb02 10692 Harbin HJ-5 c/n 87211 Nov91 Feb02 44690 Harbin HR-5 c/n H502608 Nov91 Feb02 351 Harbin Y-11 CAAC c/n 0101 Jun94 Feb02 Harbin Z-701 (Bell 47) Jan00 Feb02 1219 Ilyushin Il-10 Nov91 Feb02 10 w Ilyushin Il-10UTI Nov91 Feb02 308 Kawasaki Ki-48 Jun94 Feb02 06 Lavochkin La-9 Nov91 Feb02 Lavochkin La-9UTI Nov91 Feb02 7504 Lavochkin La-11 24 N Korean marks Nov91 Feb02 McDD AH-64 replica Jan00 Feb02 30 Mikoyan MiG-9 Nov91 Feb02 Mikoyan MiG-15 N Korean c/s May99 03 Mikoyan MiG-15 N Korean c/s Nov91 Feb02 08 Mikoyan MiG-15 N Korean c/s Nov91 Feb02 25 Mikoyan MiG-15 N Korean c/s Oct98 Feb02 Mikoyan MiG-15 c/n 111019 N Korean (or special marks)Mar97Feb02 Mikoyan MiG-15 Chang Shangyu donation Jan00 Saw Mikoyan MiG-15 Chinese Young Pioneers donationJan00 one Mikoyan MiG-15 ‘Chinese Peoples Liberation Army’Jan00 only 2249 Mikoyan MiG-15bis (false marks, ex _98_) Nov91 Feb02 6273 Mikoyan MiG-15bis Nov91 Feb02 63 Mikoyan MiG-15UTI c/n 712170 Nov91 Feb02 3839 Mikoyan MiG-17 Nov91 Feb02 6691 Mikoyan MiG-17F Nov91 Feb02 Mil Mi-24D unmarked, blue camo Jun94 Feb02 0064 Nanchang A-5A Nov91 Feb02 10262 Nanchang A-5 Nov91 Feb02 10769 Nanchang A-5 c/n Q5-015 Nov91 Feb02 11264 Nanchang A-5A Nov91 Feb02 02