Goldorak Pagina 1 di 1 uliti7T Yes, it's true, we're kinda evil... Wed Jun 1 1 00:08:02 2003 213.11.54.156 >>l am really shocked by what you both said and I am sorry if the language in my post annoyed you.<< *we* Maybe should apologize to you, Suzi. But I can tell you it's not the first time someone brings this up. It's been a common subject of discussion on the French mailing list Goldochat back when I was posting there three years ago... And I've heard it tons of times in conversations with fans, even when I was a kid. Nothing as raunchy as what I was suggesting of course, but oftentimes we would go "Man, *how* are they gonna do it ?? They're brother and sister after all..." (Of course we had forgotten the possibility of other Fleedians being alive somewhere in the universe, but hey, cut us some slack, we were young and brainless) Sorry to bring Ota on the subject again, but since *his* version was very much a continuation of the heavily Greek-Mythos-influenced Mazinger Z,lhe incest theme would not have sounded that off-topic with him at the helm : in his manga, Fleed is obviously linked to ancient Greek civilizations, and in Greek Mythology, a lot of Gods and Goddesses would marry although they were siblings. ... Too bad he wasn't in charge of the anime !! (Hold your horses ! I'm just teasing you, Gerdha and Suzi...) Jéjé Tired of ads? - Server.com Sponsor http ://d isc. se rve r.co m/d isc u ss io n. c g i ? id= 1 0238 1 ; a rtic le=6662 1110612003 Goldorak Pagina 1 di 2 Suzi Greef apagrè,s Judge Jerone. Fri Jun 13 1'::59:24 2ù03 ?t0-8.23?.2 First, I am glad you are still around your Honour Judge Jerome. (ycur prolonged absence npde me think that you might have tr*ly resìgned, but I am happy nolv and reii€r/ed that the Jury walì nút be abandonèd in TTOIC). Jerome, if you read ffiy reply tù Gerdha and Je "na need for apolagies' you can see that I very well know about rnarriages betu.leen blothers ónd sisters in history, and I have given an example from ancieni Egypt,{by the uray, I know a lot about Euftspeaa histot"y tco, ss I am rì$t a cùr,'!pl€{e idb! 1É,,+ìen ìt corn*s to hisiory, ìn lact ì kn€r*c a ffi about ancient hìstery,European History, lslamic hist*ry and Christian history) . Besideq u:!tìl today cor:saguiaus nÉrriage beilr#een first cousìns stìll happens in middle easiern cùuntries, and in ftìany it is a cuttural ttadition, and of cùurse the genetic abnormalities that result from such marriages are very signÍficant and alarming f{}r healtlr care \ /frkers. Mariy hÉ*'th Èducation prograrr€ havÈ beer'! úrganised to nìake péoplÈ aware of these prúblerfis and soÈ of aim to break the "tnlìealthy'' tradition of first cousin marríages, whích are mostly arranged in the 1f rst place. But it is Yery hard to break baditioh. 14hat I amtrying lc say, Jaorr'e, is hardly ever a* arab Grendizer fan thought ot "incesf'therne to ep 74. ls it because sf cultural dilferences or diff€rences In the dialóguè of èp 74? I don't know But rne can find out. You said &st DF did not invite hÍs friends to v;Èit tiìem in Fleed with Cssmsspacer- As far as I raneber Maria in ep 73 invited Koji ta visít them in Fleed with the Cosmospacer, or didnt she? \Aftat the arabb dialagre said in ep 74 at the enrl as far as I remeber but I will check again, is thal they are going to "rebuild' not "repopulate" Fleed? úoes tne !Ì€rd "rebuild'give you a different impression than "repopulate'? Yóu see if I heard the word "repopulate' in the dialogue, for sure I !'yùuld hàve some incest tho ghts just like you guys, even for as shsrt as a splÉ cf a second. But I diCn't b€ca$se tlris rr$crd nras not used. The lvord used was "rebuì|d". Does that r*ake Èens€ to you? gesides, lsÒking €ó tie lvhùle c3nc€pt ot Fl€ed coming back to lìfe and DF thought wrongly at first thaú he was the oniy survivor are vety good clues that there other Fleedian suruivors. Did you ever wonder how the harmful radiations vanished $, quickly from Fleed and not from other Pbnets? Did not you think that thére might bè some genius Fleedian survivors behind it? tribll, that b rV an$#er b yÈur ansnÈr. I am sarry if my descriptive terxi af "diÉy-minded thoughts' has annoyed you too. Gt"a: apólog'e€ ysur HcnÈùr. iiiiii*l,SrqiRe $tdé,iiiliilili r J6 ?ù:32 .{ * utiti?7, Tue Jun î ?t vL-rJ.'r5 -i.t 0 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=102381 ;aÉicle=6728;title=Goldorak;date_query={ ... 13/08/03 Goldorak Pagina 1 di 1 *frs*s* # Frsgraru @'i:iliÌt.FÍ,Fffiii;;fuffi1 Gerdha reb*#dr!:g F/eaj Fri Jun 13 17:54:15 2ú03 80.r 1s 18.201 I agree totally Wth Suz!. I admit I thought to the "incesf' lhing as a teen, but I discharged it immediately because it had no sense f.úln a *orltè|ling pèrspèctive- \Ale knew about fleedians suwivors, ss even it not espliÈiÈely said by nobody at the end óf èp74, that was the ùnly logícal explanation to ihe reason !v'ìy DÉ&M declde lo go back to Fleed. I was af course surF.ised by the fact thet DF & M leave alone, a d actually stíll remainèd with this big queslionrrark up ta when I staded to interest .!ìyself to productian neles {bì-,l th;s is enother *ory}. Actarus leaves becaus€ after ep72 he knows &at his planet has come bàck to life and he feels the responsibility to hélp his populatior' to have a future there again. He is the King of Fleed, the news he is alive is spreading around (ep 72 again), desperaté pèople survived as slaves for years need his prèsence - the man wfio ddeated Vega - as a psycnobgical help t* rèbuild their native place. Duke Fleed is a man, but also a symboltoo noq and after the last scene of ep72 Daisuke has nù rflè.e g$tltiftèss fèelings tolvards his population (ooppss. v,lny does TTOTC resuffes every\'{ìere anytime?? LOL-}. Tc -'s rÈbu'ld in fact thè wùrd used by lJman: caì.,{lrm the italian version ;s coneistent wilh atabic. Pay attenticn: we dont knùw holl! ftany ti e has passed by from thè final' baÈle to the goodbye scene. lfs bue flat it seems summer like the beginning of tllè èp. b|Jt from some hints I t€nd ùè think that it takes place nonths if not a year later. About thé r€ason why DF&M leave alone - which is the REAL problem of ep74 - I have a theory which lays on production notes. lf you look deeply at the énd of ep74, you cùuld notice that the d6ign style is a bit different from the rest of the ep.... -;;[;1 rr,,:fu;taRespÈ.riee; , Re*lrnìbirtidgÉ, , I --- if i t ryiil.U .i;tí,:i,f;.ql: ll! ,.,., Agnes, Fti Jutt 13 19:13 ,.j iiiii;ii-ri:;t lr:'tii:iÈnf-_jri). fii;;.fi 1**gii1lfi - Gerdha, Fri Jun 13 21:38 " idiZ;riil...iiji:j-qi.Upi1lJ1ti_!,1"._.,.,. - Stephane nilrfias. .$at Jun 14 03:3(l *qat Jun 14 15:15 " {tLlt,.l:ljii;i1,.,1.t,.:ìfi',:l.l'{g;i.t-li-Erii.:1!,,,..,. --Suzi, httpJldisc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=102381 ;article=6730;title=Goldorak;date_query=l ... 13/08103 Goldorak Pagina 1 di 2 :i1, ' .t: :, i: ,,,. 'i'.l!''l'.'''ji'].ii]]]'.j]'':''';';','1 ii ,ri -;ii: .:ir, :i11,: ::r:, :- i:i:-a.:i 1- li; : i :,.t a:,ri: , i1:: ,: :_: ,,, iÌ; 1ì:, *-ellirl,aJ-the ?di!: Laas_e_ -!h!$ t-taslj-ssi?nAp*-tsr_$.ì-e-rflcillh jéròrne f liad*? seen yreed it tout other pasl.,, Frì Jr;n f 318:41:56 2N3 21?-198.0.98 Hi Suzi, Sorry for my absencÈ but l'vÈ h.ad a heciic and stresstul month of May. lfs almost over and ifs quièting dèun no\rir. I never ever considered you "a compiete idiot' as you wrote rt playfully as far as history is concerned. No NO NO. On the cónkary, I must say thet this fot m hss surprised nìe in many \€ys. The crntent of rnany posts is h,ghly iÌ*erestíng snd shours inae'ligence, culture and reesoning qualiti€s ùìat I couidnt have suspected ùo find in a forum dedicated to Grendizer. Eve* if for same \ire might be considÈred a bit loonèy ór c.azy, th;s rèÒrèation {îor it is one. isn't it"J b far frem bèing dull and:t*pid. And we share a hlt here and thays w:ìat a foftiffi is torll Yo 're right ''tihe* llsu ltrrote that in ep ?3. Maria asked Alcor tú c.ome and sèé hér- But th€ last episode has akalays annoyed me and thats why sonìèhow we didn't understand the same things. Of course the word repopulate is not used nor shculd \À.e assunìÈ that the Fleedian siblíngs were abeut tù BBtei BLrt it ís semehùw straFgE that utiti afid I thùught teh same thiÌg, and I'm sure many rnore understood it that way or at leesl imagined it.