1 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE EXECUTIVE SESSION PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C. INTERVIEW OF: JARED KUSHNER Tuesday, July 25, 2017 Washington, D.C. The interview in the above matter was held in Room HVC-304, the Capitol, commencing at 10:06 p.m. Present: Representatives Conaway, King, LoBiondo, Rooney, UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE Ros-Lehtinen, Gowdy, Crawford, Stefanik, Hurd, Schiff, Himes, Sewell, Carson, Speier, Quigley, Swalwell, Castro, and Heck. Also Present: Representative Granger. UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 3 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE Appearances: For the PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE: For JARED KUSHNER: ABBE LOWELL KEITH ROSEN BENJAMIN D. BLEIBERG NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT Norton Rose Fulbright US LLP 1200 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20036 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 4 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE MR. CONAWAY: Let's go ahead and get started. Mr. Kushner, good morning. Mike Conaway from Texas. Thank you very much for agreeing to come visit with us this morning. We've got some what, we think, are important questions to ask you. The proof will be in the pudding of whether or not that's the case. But we do appreciate your willingness to be here. With the Intelligence Committee, we don't have criminal authorities. We don't have criminal investigatory powers. We're simply looking at the questions of what did the Russians do or not do with respect to our elections and those campaigns and what did the transition teams and/or the Trump campaigns do or not do. And so that's the issue. We will issue a report at some point laying out what we find. And if we do come across criminal things, then that would, of course, be turned over to Robert Mueller. But our job is to just try to determine what happened. So, again, thank you very much for being here this morning. With that, I'll turn it over to- Yeah, just some opening remarks. Good morning. This is a transcribed interview of Jared Kushner. Thank you for speaking to us today. For the record, I am- for majority at HPSCI, a staff member here. There's a lot of folks in the room, and we'll have the individuals identify themselves as they speak. Before we begin, I wanted to state a few things for the record. The questioning will be conducted by members and staff.. During the course of this interview, members and staff may ask questions during their allotted time period. Some questions they seem basic, but that is because we need to clearly establish UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 5 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE facts and understand the situation. Please do not assume we know any facts you have previously disclosed as part of any other investigation or review. During the course of this interview, we will take any breaks that you desire. There is a reporter making a record of these proceedings so we can easily consult a written compilation of your answers. The reporter may ask you to spell certain terms or unusual phrases you might use and may ask you to slow down or repeat your answers. We ask that you give complete and fulsome replies to questions based on your best recollection. This entire hearing will be at the unclassified level. If a question is unclear or you are uncertain in your response, please let us know, and if you do not know the answer to a question or can't remember, simply say so. You are entitled to have a lawyer present for this interview, though you're not required to. But I do see you brought counsel. At this time, would the counsel please state their names for the record? MR. LOWELL: My name is Abbe Lowell of the law firm of Norton, Rose, Fulbright, along with Keith Rosen and Ben Bleiberg. We are counsel to Mr. Kushner. Thank you. As I said, the interview will be transcribed. Because the court reporter cannot record gestures, we ask that you answer verbally. If you forget to do this, you might be reminded to do so. You may also be asked to spell certain terms or unusual phrases. Consistent with the committee's rules of procedure, you and your counsel, if you wish, will have a reasonable opportunity to inspect the transcript of this UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 6 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE interview in order to determine whether your answers were correctly transcribed. The transcript will remain in the committee's custody. The committee also reserves the right to request your return for additional questions should the need arise. The process for the interview is as follows: The minority will be given 45 minutes to ask questions. Then the majority will be given 45 minutes to ask questions. Immediately thereafter, the minority will be given rebuttal time, and the majority will be given equal rebuttal time. These time limits will be strictly adhered to by all sides. Time will be kept for each portion of the interview with warnings given by me at the 5-minute and 1-minute mark, respectively. To ensure confidentiality we ask that you do not discuss the interview with anyone other than your attorneys. Our record today will reflect that you have not been compelled to appear. You are reminded that it is unlawful to deliberately provide false information to Members of Congress or staff. Lastly, the record will reflect that you are voluntarily participating in this interview, which will be given under oath. Mr. Kushner, if you would raise your right hand to be sworn. Mr. Jared ·Kushner, do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. KUSHNER: I do. Thank you. And as a reminder, we are at the unclassified level, and also for those speaking, please turn on the microphones before speaking so that the recordings can be properly transcribed. Thank you. Mr. Rooney. MR. ROONEY: Adam. UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 7 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE MR. SCHIFF: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Kushner, welcome. Mr. Lowell, pleased to have you here today. We appreciate your willingness to volunteer to come in and testify today. Because of the time constraints, we're only going to be able to get to a fraction of the questions that we have for you. And I want to be quite open at the outset. They will be of a survey nature because of the time limits, and we'll fully expect that we're going to need to invite you back. There are also additional documents that we're going to need to request that we will follow up with counsel to make sure that you have those requests. It won't be necessary for you to restate the written statement that you presented the other day, but I would like to begin by asking you whether, to the best of your knowledge, all of the facts in that statement that you released, your written testimony, whether all the facts in that statement are true and accurate to the best of your knowledge? MR. KUSHNER: Yes. MR. SCHIFF: We will submit that document to the record of this interview. [The information follows:] ******** INSERT 1-1 ******** UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 8 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE MR. SCHIFF: Mr. Kushner, who else, apart from your counsel, did you discuss your proposed testimony with in order to prepare for it today? MR. KUSHNER: My counsel, my wife, but other than that, really just got ready to come tell you guys what I know. MR. SCHIFF: Let me begin by asking you about a Washington Post report from April of this year that refers to a meeting with the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and his brother, the UAE National Security Advisor, with a respect to a meeting in the Seychelles with someone close to Vladimir Putin and Blackwater founder and Trump campaign supporter Erik Prince. In that article, The Post reported that you had met separately in New York City in mid-December with the Crown Prince, Steve Bannon, and Mike Flynn. So I want to begin by asking you about some of the facts that are alleged in that article. Did you meet with the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi in mid-December, as alleged in that article? MR. KUSHNER: In New York City? MR. SCHIFF: Yes. MR. KUSHNER: Yes, I did. MR. SCHIFF: And when would that meeting have taken place? MR. KUSHNER: I don't recall the specific date, but we met at the Four Seasons Hotel in New York. MR. SCHIFF: And who arranged the meeting and who requested the meeting? MR. KUSHNER: I don't recall. MR. SCHIFF: Who accompanied you to the meeting? UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 9 UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE MR. KUSHNER: I went with Steve Bannon and General Flynn. MR. SCHIFF: Do you know whether it was Mr. Bannon or Mr. Flynn who had arranged the meeting? MR. KUSHNER: Again, at that point in time, we had a lot of things going on. We were doing a lot of meetings. I can try to go back through my records, but I don't recall exactly how all the meetings got set up.