Subject: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:06:10 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Playing JA2 1.13 for the millionth time and I enjoy playing as stealthy as possible. I especially like it when I kill everyone undetected allowing me to skip "opponents turn". Obviously i use knives, SMGs and Machine pistols with low loudness but i was wondering if anyone had found a good assault rifle with AR suppressor and cold ammo combo thats worked well for them? I play on INSANE mode so i need some heavy ammo. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by Saibot on Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:25:31 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Not sure about assault rifle loudness, but I remember P90 and G36 being a good combination for a scout because of light weight. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:52:51 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message P90 + silencer isnt bad but its still in the teens for loudness. I have been shifting to the MP5SD version with AET ammo. Horrible range but really high damage that can kill anything with a burst and i think the loudness is like 5. Also been playing with the SCAR-H + Silencer + Cold ammo. Its in the 20's for loudness. Which means i can kill a rogue soldier from a distance without raising an alarm as long as he isnt around someone close. Same with the M21 + stock kit + Silencer + cold ammo. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by PasHancock on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:10:48 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message also,what sniper sniper rifle has small loudness? Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:19:35 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message the black one with the huge silencer on it, think the name starts with a V. It has a loudness of 3 but requires 12.7 special ammo. Its has fairly decent range, high damage and is semi auto BUT the magazines only holds 5 rounds and the gun and ammo are super heavy. Page 1 of 8 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by knightofni on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:47:46 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message for assault rifle : AS VAL. Loudness 9. Decent gun, decent ammo (9x39mm). Appears prety late in game if i remember correctly. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by MG42 on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:36:20 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message UMP45 is a solid silenced SMG, powerful but controllable. VSS Vintorez is a good designated marksman rifle with 11 loudness, and it can burst/auto. Five-seveN is a wonderfully easy to use pistol with good accuracy, large mag, armor-piercing power and easy handling, can be silenced. Some of these may be AIMNAS: the KRISS, wonderful little machine pistol; HK MP7A1 and PDW; M16SAM-R with small AR suppressor and cold loaded ammo (16 loudness, but 45 range, good power, and burst/auto handling that far outmatches the 9x39mm Russians). Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by TClaymore on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:54:17 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message GASK3Tthe black one with the huge silencer on it, think the name starts with a V. It has a loudness of 3 but requires 12.7 special ammo. Its has fairly decent range, high damage and is semi auto BUT the magazines only holds 5 rounds and the gun and ammo are super heavy. Ahh, that'd be the VSSK Vychlop, aka one of my favorite weapons ever for night raids. Get your DM (especially if you're playing STOMP with the Sniper and Night Ops traits) with that, and you'll end up mowing guards down like nothing. Might be best to have your DM carry two SAW pouches' worth of ammo, though. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:14:59 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Going on with the stealth theme, whats the best knife? Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by PasHancock on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:09:21 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Page 2 of 8 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit any knife is good,kills almost always instantly if stabbed in head to unsuspecting enemy Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by Sam Hotte on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:26:39 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Regarding stealth: the Utility as it allows you to open locked doors without noise. Regarding weight and damage per AP it's the SOG Seal; followed by KCB (that offers wire cutting as addition). So I'd vote for KCB in total. (that is without consideration of knifing trait) Regarding the silent AR topic: There are Kits to convert M4 into integrally suppressed AR57 (but judging by its stats it's not really superior to P90). But AFAIK most silent of all ARs (stock 1.13)without integrated silencer is the AN-94 ABAKAN - and subsonic ammo is available for it. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:26:47 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message yea but some have slightly higher damage, or faster AP and weigh more. I typically stick with the Seal knife but i was interested if anyone had other thoughts. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:30:20 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message also, not sure if i should start a new thread, but even though they are useless, i do like adding at least one machine gun to the mix. But the annoying thing is - is that most of the MG's dont have single shot option which means you cannot aim before shooting. Im at work and forget the exact model, but there is a RPK with a 75 round clip that i feed with 20 shot 7.62 long ammo that is pretty legit after adding the PSO-3 scope. Anyone got any thoughts on that too? Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by DepressivesBrot on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:37:54 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Quote:Im at work and forget the exact model, but there is a RPK with a 75 round clip that i feed with 20 shot 7.62 long ammo that is pretty legit after adding the PSO-3 scope. Anyone got any thoughts on that too?Uhm, what? Page 3 of 8 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit Also, unless you are among the unfortunate people without mousewheel: you can aim auto fire. And if you want to keep in line with the stealth thing, the MG36 accepts AR suppressors if I remember correctly. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:21:33 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message yea but if i remember correctly, the mg36 has 5.56 ammo which is so too weak when you are playing in insane mode. When i use MG's i am not to worried about loudness level anymore I stand corrected, i had to look it up, its the RPK 74 (according to the list on 1.13's website). It holds 5.45x39 ammo (seems to do more damage than the 5.56 ammo for whatever reason...). Pretty solid MG though based on the accessories you can add. You cannot buy the "match" (white) ammo in a 75 shot drum but you can take the match ammo in 30 shot clip and add it to the MG manually. Its nice cause it adds another +10 to range. And i had no idea about the mouse scrolling option.....cant wait to get out of work to try it! Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by DepressivesBrot on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:31:32 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message There's no match ammo in 5.45 ... neither does the RPK-74 take 75rd drums, only 45rd box mags. If you want raw firepower, 7.62x51 is the way to go, either MG3/FN MAG for rate of fire or HK21 for having all three fire modes and being able to mount up to a 7x scope. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by GASK3T on Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:41:50 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Ill figure out what gun/ammo it is tonight and let you know. Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by MG42 on Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:42:21 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Seconding the FN MAG, I gave that to Ice in my game and made him my designated MGer. And with heavy bipod, he can fire it standing up with no burst or auto penalty! (Heavy bipod absorbs more recoil due to weight? may be a bug though). Page 4 of 8 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit HK21 is also very good, especially with the HK Old Aimpoint laser sight which is fully effective out to 35 distance, 5 more than any other laser system (again though that may be AIMNAS only, dunno). It is a bit annoying how Expert/Insane mode makes 7.62x51 and up ammo a necessity, though. Lots of cool, very controllable and silence-able 5.56/5.45 weapons out there that you have to pass over Subject: Re: Stealth Mode Posted by Sam Hotte on Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:25:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Without AIMNAS and with NCTH, there is no heavy bipod but there is a penalty on firing MGs (esp.