Fifth Serles Vol, I - No. 11 Thursday, April 1, 1971 Chaitra 11, 1893 (Saka) LOK SABHA DEBATES (Firsth Session) .-r Nos. (Vol. I contains 1-12) LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Price: Rs. 2.0o (ORIGINAL ENGLISH PI.OCEBDINGS INCLUDED IN ENGLISH VBRSION AND ORIGINAL HINDI PltOCBBDINGS INCLUDED IN HINDI VBltSION WILL DB TB.BATID AS AUTBOlUTATIVE AND NOT THE TltANSLATIONTHEREOF.J CONTENTS No. 11— Thursday, April 1, 1971fCkaitra 11,1893 (Saka) C olum ns Member Sworn - ... ... ... ... 1 Oral Answers to Questions — ♦Starred Questions Nos. 67 to 73, 75 and 76 ... ... 1—27 Short Notice Question No. 1 ... ... 27—28 Writt en Answers to Questions — Starred Questions Nos. 74 and 77 to 90 ... ... 29—41 Unstarred Questions No. 109 to 155 ... ... 41—87 Papers Laid On The Table .............. ... ... 87—93 Messages from Rajya Sabha ............. ... ... 93—95 Motion of Thanks on President’s Address ... ... 96—226 Shfi Dinesh Chandra Goswami ... ... ... 96—100 Shri Vijay Pal Singh .............. ... ... 100—104 Shiimati Lakshmikanthamma ... ... ... 103—108 Shri Chandulal Chandrakar ... ... ... 109—12 Dr. Melkote ... ... ... ... 113—18 Shri Acbal Singh ... ... ... ... 121—24 Shri Kadar ... ... ... ... 124 Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar ... ... ... 125—27 Shri Oanga Reddy ... ... ... 127—32 Shri Yajnik ... ... ... ... 132—35 Shri Ahmed Aga ... ... ... ... 135—39 Shri K. Balakrishnan ... ... ... 139—40 Shri Satpal ... ... ... ... 140—44 Shrimati Savitri Shyam ... ... ... 144—47 Shri Chintamani Panigrahi ... ... ... 147—50 Shri Madhu Dandavate ... ... ... 150—54 Shri N. S. Bist ... ... ... ... 154—58 Shri Rudra Pratap Singh ... ... ... 158—62 Shri N. N. Pandey ... ... ... ... 152-66 Shri R. N.Gocnka ... ... _ 166—70 uJT*1* sign + markcd ab°ve the name of a Member indicates that the uestion was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. <«*) COLUMS Shri R. Kadanpalli ... ... ... ... 170—72 Shri Unnikrishnan ... ... ... ... 172-75 Shri M. Ramgopal Reddy ... — ... 175—79 Shri Krishna Menon ... — — ••• 180—91 Shri Sudhakar Pandcy - - 191—95 Shri B. R. ShuMa ... ... - 195-97 Shri S. P. Bh attach nryya ... - — 197—98 Shri Anantrao Patil — — — 198—201 Shri Puru'.hottim fCakodkar ... ... - 201—04 Shri M. Satvanarayan Rao ... - 204—07 Shri Kartik Oraon ... — — — 207—09 Shri Lalji Bhai ... »• - 209-10 Shri Gotkhinde ... ••• •• ••• 210—13 Shri Mulki Raj Sairi ... - 213—15 ShriAmbesh ... - - 215—17 Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait ... ••• 2i7 21 Shri S. A. Shamim ... ••• ••• ••• 221—25 Shri M. M. Joseph ... - - - 225-26 Statement to-Crash of Jamair Dakota Shri Raj Bahadur ... ... • ■ ••• U S - 19 LOK SABHA DEBATES LOK SABHA recommendation on the National Labour Conference, namely, setting up of tribunals Thursday, April 1, 1971/ etc. is a time killing device, that the so* Chaitra 11,1893 ySaka) called consensus evolved through the Indian Labour Conference, the triparties bodies, are standing obstacles to the working class movement and only helps the employers The Lok Sahhd met at Eleven and that the A1TUC instead demanded oj the Clock promotion by the Government of bipartite negotiations between the employers and the I Mi*. Speakvr in the ChairJ employees such as steel agreement, life in­ surance corporation employees agreement, MEMBER SWORN etc. and reorganise the Indian Labour Confe­ rence in the best method possible to make SHRI K. BALATHANDAYUTHAM it useful ? If so, what is the Government’s (Coimbatore) reaction to that ? ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS MR. SPEAKER : The question should A. I. T- U. C. demand to improve elicit information, not pass on information to Industrial Relations the Minister. *67. DR. RANEN SbN : Will the Minister of LABOUR, EMPLOYMENT DR RANEN SPN . j am ^ jo g whether AND REHABILITATION be pleased to Government is aware of this or not. state ; (a) whether the AlMndia Trade Union SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR I We have Congress has demanded disbandment of the not received any communication from the Indian Laboui Conference and setting up AITUC demanding the disbandment of tho of a body wilh high Level representative Indian Labour Conference and setting up a of all the Trade Union Centres, Employees* body with high level representatives of ail Federations and Employees* Organisations the trade unions. The hon. Member referred to work out a new basis for industrial rela­ to some sort of a communication. The tions in the country ; and Labour Conference is a tripartite body. Though at one stage in 1969 Mr. Dange, (b) if so, Government's reaction thereto ? theirleader in the AITUC, dissociated himself from the conference, since then AITUC has THE MINISTER OF LABOUR, EM- participated on some committees. The mam PLOYMENT AND REHABILITATION question you have posed is whether in view (SHRI R. K, KHAD1LKAR) : (a) No, Sir. of the recommendations of the National Labour Commission it would not be desirable (b) Does not arise. to make consultations more broadbased. DR. RANEN SEN : Is it known to the I would like to point out to the hon. Government that most of the central trade Member that we are in constant touch with union organisations are skeptical of the the labour leaders abart from/the AU-India National Labour Commission's recommenda­ Trade Union Congress and other all-India tions and that the A1TUC in particular has organisation*, We would like to cowult item written to the Government that tte and prepare the ground. As .^President 3 Oral Answers APRIL II, m i Oral Answers 4 himself has been pleased to say in his SHRI A.N. VIDYALANCAR: What steps Address : do the Government want to take to make the decisions of the Indian Labour Conference ' consult leaders of trade unions and effective and put them mto practice, because managements in order to evolve sound so far, many of the decisions have not been industrial relations and to secure in­ put into practice ? creased productivity consistent with a fair deal for labour. Improve- ment tn industrial relations is as SHRI R K. KHADILKAR: Ail these steps vital as capital and technology for that are taken, are taken on the basis of increasing output.” the consensus in these tripartite organisa­ tions So far as we could see, most of the Therefore, I would like to assure the hon. decisions were given effect to. If the hon. Member that to achieve this objective, we Member could out to me and particular will certainly take early steps to invite not point that was raised, accepted in the confer­ only the all-India bodies but leaders of othei ence and not given effcct to, then I will look independent trade unions as well as trade into it, union centres, and after preparing the ground, sometime in the month of May, would certainly have a sort of formal con­ prm ** VBprra : 3 a?T<T % ference where all the issues raised by the mwnr ^ ^ ^ o t t w t t g* hon. Member could be discussed. f a 3r«r sjfinraft *rr?zr<rr ^ aft m But our mam object is,— I would like to assure the hon member, and I think he 1 km shares that objective— that we want to en~ t rT?r 9TTT % sure better industrial relations and industrial peace so that the broad social objective snrM % before us could be achieved with full partici­ f w : x v m 1 1 ^t, pation of all parties concerned. DR. RANEN SEN : Just now, the hon. i Mmmter said that the Government of India would try to broaden the basis on the recommendations of the National Labour SHRI R K KHADILKAR : The National Commission. If that is the objective of the Labour Commission had something to say Government of India, may 1 know whether on this point. They have recommended as there would be a special consultation, speci­ follows* the representation at the tripartite ally on the basis of the recommendations should be restricted as the first step to those of the National Labour Commission whose central organisations only which have a recommendations mostly have been rejected membership of at least 10 per cent of the by other trade union bodies, not only the unionised labour in the country. AU-tadta Trade Union Congress but the other federations of bank employeecs, insu- ance employees, defence employees etc. ? “ There should be a review every year to accord representation to organi­ sations on this basis.” SHRI R. K. KHADIL KAR: As I said ear­ lier at this meeting, where representatives of Keeping this broad criterion in view, cer­ all the trade unions as well as representatives tainly this point will be considered if the of the All-India bodies, not only the three organisation to which the bon. member but the breakaway new faction of the CPM- referred fits into this category. CXT.U. as they call it—will gather, all these tnatters will be discussed there with a view to bringing about a certain consensus SHRI S, M. BANERJEE ; May I know so that we could later os, whets we meet in whether the hon. Minister has gone through the annual labour conferaae*, find k useful the varioos wcommeftdations of the National add will achieve some results. Labour Coamission and whether oae of the 5 Oral Answers CHAITRA 11, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 recommendations, which is most reactionary any particular forum by way of replacement is that strrkes in public undertakings and of the present Indian Labour Conference and essential services should be banned ? The Standing Labour Committee ? hon. Minister knows that whenever there has been a ban on any strike, there have SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : The present been more strikes. That is the history of tripartite machinery and the All India other countries. Is he aware that all the Labour Conference are to remain. But there trade union organisations belonging to de­ was a suggestion that in view of the changed fence, railways, etc. have ail resented the context of the situation it should be made recommendation ? if so, what is the reaction more broad-based.