MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA Agenda MMEL IG 82 DAY 1 Time Item Lead Wednesday, May 11, 2011 Number 0830-0900 82-01 Introduction / Administrative Remarks Delta-Bob Wagner 0900-0915 82-02 MMEL IG /FOEB Calendar Delta-Bob Wagner 0915-0920 82-03 2011 Final Policy Letters Delta-Bob Wagner 82-04 MMEL Policy Letter Status / Policy Letters Under Revision 0920-0930 82-04A Clarification definitions required in MMELs Cessna – Todd Schooler 0930-0935 82-05 Agenda Item 79-05: Opspecs.com Status FAA (AFS-202) - Pete Neff 0935-0950 82-06 Agenda Item 79-35: PL 128 Lavatory Call System FAA (AFS-202) - Pete Neff 0950-1000 82-07 Agenda Item 66-07: ATA – MMEL / MEL Value to ATA-Mike Bianchi Industry Survey 1000-1030 BREAK 1030-1035 82-07A BCA Aviation Safety ATA MMEL IG MMEL Boeing - William Interpretation, Use, Undesired Outcomes and C. Steelhammer Extraneous Maintainer Actions 1035-1045 82-08 Agenda Item 80-09: PL-98, Navigation Databases ALPA/AFS-350 1045-1100 82-09 Agenda Item 78-10: Nitrogen Gas Generation / Fuel FAA (AFS-260) - Inerting – Repair Category Discussion Bob Davis ATA - Mike Bianchi 1100-1115 82-10 CLOSED 1115-1130 82-11 PL-77, Cockpit and Instrument Lighting System Cessna-Todd MMEL Requirements Schooler 1 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA Agenda MMEL IG 82 DAY 1 (Cont’d) Time Item Wednesday, May 11, 2011 Lead Number 1130-1145 82-12 PL-63 Equipment Required for Emergency US Airways - Bob Procedures Taylor 1145-1200 82-13 Agenda Item 75-24: PL-31, MMEL Format FAA (KCI AEG)- Specification – ‘Next-Gen’ MMEL Specs Walt Hutchings 1200-1315 LUNCH 1315-1325 82-14 Agenda Item 2003-04: Conversion of FAA MMEL FAA (AFS-260) – Documents To XML (MMEL Transformation) Bob Davis 1325-1330 82-15 Agenda Item 70-18: Policy Letter Rewrite: New ATA - Mike Format, FAA Branding and incorporate new GC Bianchi, FAA Header (AFS-260) –George Ceffalo, NetJets- Darrel Sheets 1330-1340 82-16 Agenda Item 77-25: PL-119, Two-Section MMELs Bombardier – JP Dargis, Exec. Jet Mgmt, Inc. - Nick Petty 1340-1420 82-17 Agenda Item 78-23: Airbus EASA MMEL Section 3 Jet Blue -Tim Discussion Kane, United - Tom Atzert Delta – Bob Wagner, Airbus - Pierrick PENE 1420-1430 82-18 Agenda Item 39-01: FAA / EASA MMEL FAA (SEA AEG) - Harmonization Jim Foster 1430-1445 82-19 Agenda Item 71-15: PL-58, Boom Microphone Aerodox, Inc.- David Burk 2 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA Agenda MMEL IG 82 DAY 1 (Cont’d) Time Item Wednesday, May 11, 2011 Lead Number 1445-1500 82-20 Agenda Item 60-14: PL-85, Lavatory Door Ashtrays ATA - Mike Bianchi, Delta-Bob Wagner, FAA (SEA-AEG) -Jim Foster 1500-1530 BREAK 1530-1545 82-21 Agenda Item 78-30: FSIMS 8900.1 Rewrite Project: FAA (AFS-202)- Volume 4, Chapter 4 (MEL) Pete Neff 1545-1600 82-22 Agenda Item 80-24: PL-104, Storage Bins/Cabin and Boeing - Galley Storage Compartments/Closets Paul Nordstrom 3 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA Agenda MMEL IG 82 DAY 2 Time Item Thursday, May 12, 2011 Lead Number 0800-0810 82-23 Agenda Item 80-25: PL-47 Megaphones Boeing - Paul Nordstrom 0810-0825 82-24 Agenda Item 80-26: PL-91 White Position Lights and Boeing - Strobe Lights Paul Nordstrom 0825-0840 82-25 Agenda Item 80-27: PL-76 ATC Transponders Boeing- Paul Nordstrom 0840-0850 82-26 Agenda Item 80-28: MMEL Agenda Proposal Delta-Bob Wagner &Coordination process 0850-0920 BREAK 0920-0925 FAA (AFS-202)- 82-27 Agenda Item 80-29: PL-73 EEMK Pete Neff 0925-0935 82-28 PL-124 Damaged Window/Windshield Relief FAA (LGB-AEG)- Gene Hartman 0935-0940 82-29 Agenda Item 80-31: New MMEL proposal system. FAA (KCI AEG)- Walt Hutchings 0940-0945 82-30 Agenda Item 79-33: PL-72 – Agenda Item 79-33: FAA (AFS-202)- Wing Illumination/Ice detection Lights Pete Neff 0945-0955 82-31 PL-106 HF Radio communications MMEL Delta – Bob Wagner Requirements 0955-1000 82-31A PL-09 Public Address System, Crewmember Boeing – Paul Interphone and Alerting systems Nordstrom 1000-1005 82-32 Agenda Item 80-33: Helicopter Operations FAA (FTW AEG)- Monitoring System (HOMP) Ed Hinch 4 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA Agenda MMEL IG 82 DAY 2 (Cont’d) Time Item Thursday, May 12, 2011 Lead Number 1005-1015 82-33 Agenda Item 80-34: Cargo Compartment Zones PL- Boeing - 102 Cargo Compartment Smoke Detection and Fire Paul Nordstrom Suppression Systems and PL-108 Carriage of Empty Cargo Handling Equipment 1015-1020 82-34 Agenda Item 80-35: PL-112 Relief for 14 CFR 25.795 Boeing - Compliant Flight Deck Doors Paul Nordstrom 1020-1030 82-35 Agenda Item 80-36: PL-79 Passenger Seats Relief Jet blue - Tim Kane 1030-1035 82-36 Agenda Item 81-36: PL-25 Policy Concerning Embrair - MMEL Definitions – Introduce OPERATIVE Thiago Viana definition. PL-76 ATC Transponders and Automatic Altitude 1035-1045 82-37 Tom Atzert - United Reporting Systems Todd Schooler - 1045-1050 82-38 Global Change Applicability Cessna Todd Schooler - 1050-1100 82-39 Policy Letter Applicability Cessna Christophe Giraudeau 1100-1110 82-40 Parts Swapping – Dassault Kevin Peters - 1110-1115 82-41 PL-122 Flight Deck Surveillance Systems FEDEX Gene Hartman FAA 1115-1120 82-42 Section II (CAS/EICAS Messaging) (LGB-AEG) 1120-1135 NEW AGENDA ITEMS TBA 5 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA 82-01. Introduction / Administrative Remarks - Guest speaker – Neil Stronach, - SR VP-OPNS CONTROL - Introductions. - Introduced Mike Bianchi, Director Technical Operations ATA, as newly assigned ATA representative for MMEL IG meetings. - Introductory comments. Bob Wagner briefed group about meeting arrangements - hosted by Delta. - Secretary position announcement. Kevin Peters (FedEx Express) voted in as recording secretary. - Election reminder for August meeting- Vice Chairman Position. Nominations requested and any proposed will be voted on at next MMELIG. - Presentation John Melotte was presented an award for past MMEL IG contributions. 82-02. MMEL IG/FOEB Calendar Standing Action: Members are to review the calendar and advise the Bob Wagner of any changes or updates at [email protected] IG-81: FAA asked IG members to consider scheduling IG meetings in SEA, KCI or DCA due to FAA travel budget restrictions. IG-82: Refer to calendar. 6 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA 82-03. 2011 Final Policy Letters IG-82: Refer to Final PLs. PL 128 in FAA for final approval, Fwd Lavatory, addition of DOT enforcement of 14 CFR 382 (DOT rule changes driving changes to PL). FAA spoke to placement of a note that may appear in all MMELs regarding …Patterns and Practices of non-compliance.. Other PLs that this change will affect, PL73 AED/EMK/FAK, rev 5 and PL 09 rev 10 (both drafts of 73, 09 change due to changes in PL 128). May affect numerous other PLs. FAA stated they are thinking of creation of Non-NEF list, revision of NEF Policy letter being considered as it was reported that some ‘unusual’ activity on NEF programs being been observed. PL 124 Windows to be archived. PL 52 Cat D PL, to be moved into 8900.1 PL archiving program: progress on hold due to budget restrictions. Apparently approximately some 20 PL are to be held up in AEG chapter re-write in 8900.1, Vol. 4/Ch 4, sections 1 thru 3. 7 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA 82-04. MMEL Policy Letter Status/Policy Letters Under Revision Standing Action: Members are to review PLs and advise Bob Wagner of any changes at [email protected] IG 82 Bob Wagner outlined changes to PL matrix - updates discussed Bob stated he has added Lead Assignment information to list. Various Lead assignment changes outlined: 59 assignment changed to Greg Janosik (AFS 260 ) 105 assigned to Tom Atzert (UAL) 120 Initially commented that this will removed off list be John McCormick (FedEx) and Gene Hartman (AEG LGB) later stated they intend to re-open it: 120 is therefore jointly re-assigned. Bob Wagner requests PL authors ensure they place their name and contact information on top of PL drafts. 8 MMEL IG Meeting 82 Minutes May 11-12, 2011 Atlanta, GA 82-04A. Clarification definitions required in MMELs Objective: Propose definition language for all MMELs Item Lead: Todd Schooler - Cessna Discussion: Proposed DEFINITIONS language for all MMELs to clarify the how to determine what definitions are required in an operators MEL and to allow for additional definitions to be inserted if desired: IG-82: See following para from T. Schooler. DEFINITIONS The required definitions listed in PL-070 must be obtained from PL-025 and inserted into the operators MEL. Additional definitions may be included in an operators MEL as desired. Todd Schooler stated he has asked FAA to clarify that an operator must use PL 70 to determine what portions of PL 25 are applicable to MEL to ensure operators are not required, by FAA local authorities; to publish all of PL 25 as has happened numerous times. Pete Neff (AFS 202) stated 8900 re-write will resolve this and PL70 will go away. He was asked where is the re-write progress at? It was promised as in work but no date for completion could be given. Dave Burk states this is a real time problem now especially with small 91/135 operators and he believed the new definition as proposed would be a good interim solution.