House of Commons Home Affairs Committee Policing in the 21st Century Seventh Report of Session 2007–08 Volume II Oral and written evidence Ordered by The House of Commons to be printed 30 October 2008 HC 364-II Published on 10 October 2008 by authority of the House of Commons London: The Stationery Office Limited £0.00 The Home Affairs Committee The Home Affairs Committee is appointed by the House of Commons to examine the expenditure, administration, and policy of the Home Office and its associated public bodies. Current membership Rt Hon Keith Vaz MP (Labour, Leicester East) (Chairman) Tom Brake MP (Liberal Democrat, Charshalton and Wallington) Ms Karen Buck MP (Labour, Regent’s Park and Kensington North) Mr James Clappison MP (Conservative, Hertsmere) Mrs Ann Cryer MP (Labour, Keighley) David TC Davies MP (Conservative, Monmouth) Mrs Janet Dean MP (Labour, Burton) Patrick Mercer MP (Conservative, Newark) Margaret Moran MP (Labour, Luton South) Gwyn Prosser MP (Labour, Dover) Bob Russell MP (Liberal Democrat, Colchester) Martin Salter MP (Labour, Reading West) Mr Gary Streeter MP (Conservative, South West Devon) Mr David Winnick MP (Labour, Walsall North) The following Member was also a Member of the Committee during the inquiry: Mr Jeremy Browne MP (Liberal Democrat, Taunton) Powers The Committee is one of the departmental select committees, the powers of which are set out in House of Commons Standing Orders, principally in SO No 152. These are available on the Internet via www.parliament.uk. Publication The Reports and evidence of the Committee are published by The Stationery Office by Order of the House. All publications of the Committee (including press notices) are on the Internet at www.parliament.uk/homeaffairscom. A list of Reports of the Committee since Session 2005–06 is at the back of this volume. Committee staff The current staff of the Committee are Elizabeth Flood (Clerk), Jenny McCullough (Second Clerk), Elisabeth Bates (Committee Specialist), Sarah Harrison (Committee Specialist), Mr Tony Catinella (Senior Committee Assistant), Mr Ameet Chudasama (Committee Assistant), Sheryl Dinsdale (Committee Assistant) and Ms Jessica Bridges-Palmer (Select Committee Media Officer). Contacts All correspondence should be addressed to the Clerk of the Home Affairs Committee, House of Commons, 7 Millbank, London SW1P 3JA. The telephone number for general enquiries is 020 7219 3276; the Committee’s email address is [email protected]. Witnesses Tuesday 26 February 2008 Page Sir Ronnie Flanagan GBE QPM, HM Chief Inspector of Constabulary Ev 1 Tuesday 11 March 2008 Mr Ken Livingstone, Mayor of London Ev 11 Mr Boris Johnson MP, Conservative Candidate for Mayor of London 2008 Ev 15 Mr Brian Paddick, Liberal Democrat Candidate for Mayor of London 2008 Ev 20 Mr Len Duvall, Chairman, Metropolitan Police Authority, and Mr Paul Stephenson*, Deputy Commissioner, Metropolitan Police Service Ev 23 Tuesday 22 April 2008 Chief Constable Sir Norman Bettison, Association of Chief Police Officers, and Chief Constable Peter Neyroud, Chief Executive, National Policing Ev 32 Improvement Agency Sergeant Guy Rooney, Custody Sergeant, Acton Police Station, Ev 42 Metropolitan Police Mr Paul Carne, Mrs Rachel Carne, and Mrs Helen Newlove Ev 45 Thursday 24 April 2008 Chief Constable Sara Thornton, Ms Terri Teasdale, Head of Personnel, and Ev 49 Mr Maurice Collins, Police Federation Chair, Thames Valley Police Commander Ali Dizaei, President, National Black Police Association, and Dr Ranjit Manghnani, Development Adviser, National Policing Improvement Ev 55 Agency Superintendent Steve Kirk, Commander, Reading Police, and Mr David Ev 58 Betts, Chairman, Purley Neighbourhood Action Group * Mr Paul Stephenson is now know as Sir Paul Stephenson, following his knighthood awarded on 10 October 2008 Tuesday 3 June 2008 Sir Simon Milton, Chair, Local Government Association, and Chief Constable Ev 62 Julie Spence, Cambridgeshire Constabulary Mr Rob Chester, Head of Licensing, Asda, Mr James Lowman, Chief Executive, Association of Convenience Stores, Mr Rob Hayward OBE, Chief Ev 68 Executive, British Beer and Pub Association, and Mr Alan Brown, Director for Group Loss, Prevention and Security, Tesco Chief Constable Stephen Otter, Devon and Cornwall Constabulary Ev 77 Tuesday 10 June 2008 Mr Richard Bobbett, Chief Executive, Airwave Solutions, Ms Charmaine Eggberry, Vice President and Managing Director, EMEA, Research in Ev 82 Motion, and Mr Paul Moonan, Managing Director, G4S Justice Services Chief Constable Ian Johnston, British Transport Police, and Inspector Jim Ev 91 Hitch, Bedfordshire Police Mr Paul McKeever, Chairman, and Mr Ian Rennie, General Secretary, Police Ev 97 Federation of England and Wales Tuesday 17 June 2008 Professor Sir Al Aynsley-Green, Children’s Commissioner for England Ev 103 Tuesday 1 July 2008 Mr Bob Jones, Chair, and Mr Phil Blundell, Vice-Chair, Association of Police Ev 110 Authorities Ms Cherie Booth QC, Chair, Mr Liam Black, Commissioner, Street Weapons Ev 115 Commission Chief Superintendent Steve Dann, Borough Commander for Hackney, Ev 121 Metropolitan Police Rt Hon Tony McNulty MP, Minister of State for Security, Counter-terrorism, Ev 125 Crime and Policing, Home Office Tuesday 15 July 2008 Mr Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, and Mr Kit Malthouse, Deputy Mayor Ev 133 for Policing Sir Adrian Bruce Fulford, member of the Queen’s Bench Division of the High Ev 139 Court List of written evidence 1 Matthew Baggott CBE QPM, Chief Constable, Leicestershire Constabulary Ev 142 2 Research In Motion Ev 143, 276 3 Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary Ev 146 4 Policy Exchange Ev 158 5 Michael David Everleigh Ev 163 6 CIFAS Ev 166 7 British Association for Shooting and Conservation Ev 169 8 Youth Justice Board for England and Wales Ev 173 9 Nottinghamshire Police Authority Ev 176 10 RoadPeace Ev 179 11 SBAC Ev 181 12 City of London Police Ev 183 13 British Irish Rights Watch Ev 185 14 Nottinghamshire Police Ev 192 15 Navigant Consulting Ev 200 16 Police Federation of England and Wales Ev 203 17 Airwave Solutions Ltd Ev 210, 212 18 Home Office Ev 213 19 Independent Police Complaints Commission Ev 216 20 National Policing Improvement Agency Ev 219, 277 21 Five Police Forces and Authorities of the East Midlands Ev 222 22 Association of Chief Police Officers of England, Wales and Northern Ireland Ev 230 23 Royal Academy of Engineering Ev 244 24 Former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone Ev 246 25 Liberty Ev 253 26 Iain Gordon, Ex-Metropolitan Police Detective Inspector Ev 259 27 Paul Carne Ev 261 28 British Transport Police Ev 264 29 British Beer and Pub Association Ev 267 30 Musgrave Retail Partners GB Ev 268 31 Group 4 Securicor Ev 271 32 Local Government Association Ev 279, 298 33 Cambridgeshire Constabulary Ev 280 34 British Chambers of Commerce Ev 290 35 Staffordshire Police Ev 291 36 County Car Park Watch Ev 298 37 Thames Valley Police Authority Ev 299 List of Reports from the Committee during the current Parliament The reference number of the Government’s response to each Report is printed in brackets after the HC printing number. Session 2007–08 First Report The Government’s Counter-Terrorism Proposals HC 43 Second Report Bulgarian and Romanian Accession to the EU: Twelve months HC 59 on Third Report Security Industry Authority HC 144 Fourth Report Work of the Committee in 2007 HC 226 Fifth Report A Surveillance Society? HC 58 (Cm 7449) Sixth Report Domestic Violence, Forced Marriage and “Honour”-Based HC 263 Violence (Cm 7450) Session 2006–07 First Report Work of the Committee in 2005–06 HC 296 Second Report Young Black People and the Criminal Justice System HC 181 (Cm 7217) Third Report Justice and Home Affairs Issues at European Union Level HC 76 (HC 1021) Fourth Report Police Funding HC 553 (HC 1092) Session 2005–06 First Report Draft Corporate Manslaughter Bill (First Joint Report with HC 540 Work and Pensions Committee) (Cm 6755) Second Report Draft Sentencing Guideline: Robbery HC 947 Third Report Draft Sentencing Guidelines—Overarching Principles: HC 1231 Domestic Violence and Breach of a Protective Order Fourth Report Terrorism Detention Powers HC 910 (Cm 6906) Fifth Report Immigration Control HC 947 (Cm 6910) Sixth Report Draft Sentencing Guideline: Sexual Offences Act 2003 HC 1582 Processed: 04-11-2008 19:11:17 Page Layout: COENEW [SO] PPSysB Job: 403285 Unit: PAG1 Home Affairs Committee: Evidence Ev 1 Oral evidence Taken before the Home Affairs Committee on Tuesday 26 February 2008 Members present Keith Vaz, in the Chair Ms Karen Buck Patrick Mercer Mr James Clappison Gwyn Prosser Mrs Ann Cryer Bob Russell David T C Davies Martin Salter Mrs Janet Dean Mr David Winnick Witness: Sir Ronnie Flanagan GBE QPM, HM Chief Inspector of Constabulary, gave evidence. Q1 Chairman: Can I begin the first formal evidence are all absolutely crucial responsibilities, but the fact session of the policing inquiry of the Select that they are so crucial means that we must free up Committee into policing in the 21st Century and oYcers from other routine tasks and relieve them of welcome our first formal witness, Sir Ronnie the bureaucratic administrative burden. Flanagan. Thank you for coming, Sir Ronnie. Sir Ronnie Flanagan: Thank you very much indeed, Q3 Chairman: Who is responsible for this huge Chairman. increase in bureaucracy? Presumably Parliament is. Sir Ronnie Flanagan: In my internal report I drew the analogy between bureaucracy and cholesterol. I Q2 Chairman: Yesterday in Newark the Select said there is such a thing as good cholesterol and Committee launched the inquiry at a seminar which therefore there is such a thing as absolutely was attended by a number of Chief Constables, necessary bureaucracy and the need to keep proper serving oYcers and other stakeholders. At exactly audit trails. What I am talking about attacking is the the same time the Prime Minister and the Home unnecessary bureaucracy.