Chullin 19 R’ Mordechai Torczyner – [email protected] 19a Gemara: Continuing the discussion of defining hagramah :מקום שחיטה This is the hierarchy of views on the o Rabbanan – All below cricoid cartilage o R' Yosi b'R' Yehudah – Majority below cricoid cartilage o R' Chanina ben Antignos – Below thyroid cartilage. Rav Nachman agrees; this is law.1 ?מקום שחיטה Within R'Yosi b'R' Yehudah's view, what if he cut from the outside into the o Version I . Rav Huna/Rav Asi2 - It must first die via shechitah . Rav Chisda objects: But we accept where the trachea was already flawed! Maybe: R' Yosi b"R' Yehudah accepts even where hagramah was first, and Chachamim at least accept where shechitah was first? . Might Rav Chisda support his position from 27a that majority is like the whole? o Version II . Rav Huna/Rav Asi R' Yosi b"R' Yehudah accepts a pre-flawed trachea Chachamim at least accept where shechitah was first . Suppport from 27a that majority is like the whole . Rav Chisda – But maybe 27a was only R' Yosi b'R' Yehudah? Outside, inside, then outside שחיטה o Rav Huna/Rav – Kosher; neshamah leaves with o Rav Yehudah/Rav – Not kosher; when neshamah leaves, majority wasn't shechitah Inside, outside, then inside o Rav Yehudah/Rav – Kosher o Rav Huna – Non-kosher o (19b) Rav Chisda justifies Rav Huna – The neshamah leaves with hagramah was the kosher "comb" case שחט-הגרים-שחט o In Sura, Rav Nachman said ?מקום שחיטה But perhaps the "comb" is kosher only within . Rav Kahana asked Rav Yehudah a series of questions, and received answers3 Kosher שחט-הגרים-שחט o Not kosher הגרים-שחט-הגרים o the first half is pre-severed) Kosher) שחט במקום נקב o the second half was pre-severed) Not kosher) שחט ופגע בו נקב o . R' Yochanan objected to this ruling . Rava explains the objection: In the latter case he cut all that kept the animal alive Mishnah: Parts of the neck – Throat and Side4 are for shechitah, Back is for melikah ?is kosher for melikah עורף Gemara: What regarding melikah מול עורף We must be talking about is back of face עורף is nearby, and מול ?refers to this site ממול ערפו How do we know that to the back of the neck, so they are still cut first סימנים we move the מליקה Sons of R' Chiyya said that for (Maharsha, Rashash) ?"העיד" Don't we know this is the law because R' Chanina ben Antignos was introduced with 1 2 Not "Rabbi Asi" (Tosafot) .שחיטה where it's a bad ,דרסה at all. As opposed to שחיטה means it's not an act of מקום שחיטה Rosh 1:24 explains: Veering out of the 3 4 Is this lechatchilah or bedieved? (Rashi, Tosafot) .