S9186 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE September 25, 2002 Jeff Bingaman, Jim Jeffords, Joseph HOMELAND SECURITY ACT OF 2002 Ensign Kyl Smith (NH) Lieberman, Bill Nelson of Florida, Enzi Lott Smith (OR) Blanche L. Lincoln, Byron L. Dorgan, The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under Fitzgerald Lugar Snowe Frist McCain Jack Reed, Patrick Leahy, Robert C. the previous order, the Senate will now Specter Gramm McConnell Stevens Byrd, Mary Landrieu, Max Baucus. resume consideration of H.R. 5005, Grassley Miller which the clerk will report. Thomas The PRESIDING OFFICER. By unan- Gregg Murkowski Thompson The assistant legislative clerk read Hagel Nickles Thurmond imous consent, the mandatory quorum Hatch Roberts as follows: Voinovich call under the rule is waived. Hutchinson Santorum Warner The question is, Is it the sense of the A bill (H.R. 5005) to establish the Depart- Hutchison Sessions ment of Homeland Security, and for other Inhofe Shelby Senate that debate on the Byrd amend- purposes. ment No. 4480 to H.R. 5093, the Interior NOT VOTING—2 appropriations bill, shall be brought to Pending: Helms Torricelli Lieberman amendment No. 4471, in the na- a close? The yeas and nays are required The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. NEL- ture of a substitute. under rule XXII, and the clerk will call SON of Nebraska). On this vote, the the roll. CLOTURE MOTION yeas are 49, the nays are 49. Three- The assistant legislative clerk called The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under fifths of the Senators duly chosen and the roll. the previous order, pursuant to rule sworn not having voted in the affirma- Mr. REID. I announce that the Sen- XXII, the Chair lays before the Senate tive, the motion is rejected. the pending cloture motion, which the ator from New Jersey (Mr. TORRICELLI) The majority leader. is necessarily absent. clerk will report. Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I enter The legislative clerk read as follows: Mr. NICKLES. I announce that the a motion to reconsider the vote by Senator from North Carolina (Mr. CLOTURE MOTION which cloture has not been invoked on the Lieberman substitute amendment HELMS) is necessarily absent. We, the undersigned Senators, in accord- ance with the provisions of Rule XII of the No. 4471 to H.R. 5005, the homeland se- The yeas and nays resulted—yeas 51, curity legislation. nays 47, as follows: Standing Rules of the Senate, hereby move to bring to a close the debate on the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The mo- [Rollcall Vote No. 224 Leg.] Lieberman substitute amendment No. 4471 tion is entered. YEAS—51 for H.R. 5005, the Homeland Security bill. Mr. DASCHLE. I thank the Chair. Debbie Stabenow, Harry Reid, Charles AMENDMENT NO. 4738 Akaka Dayton Leahy Schumer, Evan Bayh, Mark Dayton, Allard Dodd Levin Jeff Sessions, John Edwards, Jim Jef- The PRESIDING OFFICER. Under Baucus Dorgan Lieberman the previous order, there will now be 2 Bayh Durbin Lincoln fords, Joseph Lieberman, Bill Nelson of Biden Edwards Mikulski Florida, Blanche L. Lincoln, Byron L. hours of debate on the Gramm amend- Bingaman Feingold Miller Dorgan, Jack Reed, Patrick Leahy, ment, with the time to be equally di- Boxer Feinstein Murray Robert C. Byrd, Mary Landrieu, Max vided between the Senator from Texas Breaux Graham Nelson (FL) Baucus. Byrd Harkin Nelson (NE) and the Senator from Connecticut or Campbell Hollings Reed The PRESIDING OFFICER. By unan- their designees. Cantwell Inouye Reid imous consent, the mandatory quorum The Senator from Texas. Carnahan Jeffords Rockefeller call under the rule is waived. Mr. GRAMM. Mr. President, I send Carper Johnson Sarbanes Cleland Kennedy Schumer The question is, Is it the sense of the an amendment to the desk and ask for Clinton Kerry Stabenow Senate that debate on the Lieberman its immediate consideration. Conrad Kohl Wellstone amendment No. 4471 to H.R. 5005, an The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without Corzine Landrieu Wyden act to establish the Department of objection, the clerk will report. NAYS—47 Homeland Security and for other pur- The legislative clerk read as follows: Allen Fitzgerald Nickles poses, shall be brought to a close? The Senator from Texas, Mr. GRAMM, for Bennett Frist Roberts The yeas and nays are required under himself, Mr. MILLER, Mr. MCCONNELL, Mr. Bond Gramm Santorum the rule. THOMPSON, Mr. STEVENS, and Mr. HAGEL, pro- Brownback Grassley Sessions poses an amendment numbered 4738. Bunning Gregg The clerk will call the roll. Shelby Mr. GRAMM. I ask unanimous con- Burns Hagel Smith (NH) The legislative clerk called the roll. Chafee Hatch Smith (OR) Mr. REID. I announce that the Sen- sent the reading of the amendment be Cochran Hutchinson Snowe dispensed with. Collins Hutchison ator from New Jersey (Mr. TORRICELLI) Specter The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without Craig Inhofe is necessarily absent. Stevens Crapo Kyl objection, it is so ordered. Thomas Mr. NICKLES. I announce that the Daschle Lott The text of the amendment is printed Thompson Senator from North Carolina (Mr. DeWine Lugar in today’s RECORD under ‘‘Amendments Domenici McCain Thurmond HELMS) is necessarily absent. Ensign McConnell Voinovich The result was announced—yeas 49, Submitted.’’ Enzi Murkowski Warner nays 49, as follows: The PRESIDING OFFICER. Who yields time? NOT VOTING—2 [Rollcall Vote No. 225 Leg.] The majority leader. Helms Torricelli YEAS—49 Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I ask The PRESIDING OFFICER. On this Akaka Dodd Levin for the yeas and nays. Baucus Dorgan Lieberman The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there a vote, the yeas are 51. The nays are 47. Bayh Durbin Lincoln Three-fifths of the Senators duly cho- Biden Edwards Mikulski sufficient second? There is a sufficient sen and sworn not having voted in the Bingaman Feingold Murray second. affirmative, the motion is rejected. Boxer Feinstein Nelson (FL) The yeas and nays were ordered. Breaux Graham Nelson (NE) The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ma- The majority leader. Byrd Harkin Reed Cantwell Hollings jority leader. Mr. BYRD. Mr. President, can we Reid Carnahan Inouye Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I Rockefeller have order? Carper Jeffords Sarbanes wanted to take a few minutes of leader Chafee Johnson The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- Schumer time this morning, before we get into ate will come to order. The majority Cleland Kennedy Clinton Kerry Stabenow the debate on the amendment offered leader. Conrad Kohl Wellstone by the Senator from Texas, to talk Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I enter Corzine Landrieu Wyden about a concern that I have wanted to Dayton Leahy a motion to reconsider the vote by avoid talking about for weeks. I am which cloture was not invoked on the NAYS—49 very saddened by the fact that we have Byrd amendment No. 4480, as amended. Allard Bunning Craig debated homeland security now for 4 The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- Allen Burns Crapo weeks. I have noted on several occa- Bennett Campbell Daschle ator has that right. The motion is en- Bond Cochran DeWine sions that there is no reason, on a bi- tered. Brownback Collins Domenici partisan basis, this body cannot work VerDate Sep 04 2002 23:54 Sep 25, 2002 Jkt 099060 PO 00000 Frm 00008 Fmt 4624 Sfmt 0634 E:\CR\FM\G25SE6.019 S25PT1 September 25, 2002 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE S9187 together to overcome our differences Advice was given by Karl Rove, and The Senator from West Virginia. and to pass a meaningful and sub- the quote on the disk was: ‘‘Focus on Mr. BYRD. Mr. President, I commend stantive bill dealing with homeland se- war.’’ the distinguished Democratic leader curity. I guess, right from the beginning, I for the position he has taken here Some have suggested that the delay thought: Well, first it was pollsters, today. I commend him for the restraint has been politically motivated, and I and then it was White House staff, and he has shown in his remarks. have said: I am not willing to believe then it was the Vice President. And all I, too, was astounded upon reading that. In fact, yesterday I said: We in- along I was asked: Are you concerned this story in the Washington Post this tend to give the President the benefit about whether or not this war is politi- morning. It reads as follows in part: of the doubt. cized? And my answer, on every occa- As he seeks to boost Republican candidates Over the course of the last several sion, was: Yes. And then the followup in the midterm elections, President Bush is weeks, as we have debated national se- question is: Is the White House politi- increasing his emphasis on terrorism and na- tional security, shedding his previous deter- curity, the issue of war in Iraq has be- cizing the war? And I said: Without come more and more prominent. And mination to demonstrate his concern about question, I can’t bring myself to be- the flagging economy. again, as I go back to my experience in lieve that it is. I can’t believe any Four times in the past two days, Bush has 1991 and 1992, during a similar period— President or any administration would suggested that democrats do not care about the fall and winter prior and after an politicize the war. But then I read in national security, saying on Monday that election—I expressed the concern that the paper this morning, now even the the Democratic-controlled Senate is ‘‘not in- our politics in this climate could easily terested in the security of the American peo- President—the President is quoted in ple.’’ His remarks, intensifying a theme he create a politicized environment and, the Washington Post this morning as in so doing, diminish, minimize, de- introduced last month, were quickly sec- saying that the Democratic-controlled onded and disseminated by House Majority grade the debate on an issue as grave Senate is ‘‘not interested in the secu- Whip Tom DeLay (R–Tex.).