Podcast Episode Season 1, Episode 15: In Conversation with Theo Koll From the ULI Germany: Real Estate ??? Cities ??? People Date: September 04, 2020 00:00:00 --> 00:00:04: Real estate provided people of the USA Germany Podcast co-creators 00:00:04 --> 00:00:06: of the built environment, 00:00:06 --> 00:00:10: creators of the real estate industry 00:00:10 --> 00:00:12: and personalities who shape our cities. 00:00:12 --> 00:00:18: Real estate, cities, people this common thread runs through our 00:00:18 --> 00:00:18: programs, 00:00:18 --> 00:00:22: our podcasts and of course also through the evening song 00:00:23 --> 00:00:27: Sammet what distinguishes the Julei from other organizations? 00:00:27 --> 00:00:33: We consistently look at all real estate issues in an 00:00:33 --> 00:00:37: urban context and always focus on people. 00:00:37 --> 00:00:42: The actions of the industry of all of us are 00:00:42 --> 00:00:44: socially relevant. 00:00:44 --> 00:00:48: So who, if I do the Julei, should also examine 00:00:48 --> 00:00:52: all socially relevant topics and not only look outside the 00:00:52 --> 00:00:52: box, 00:00:52 --> 00:00:55: but also think and act? 00:00:55 --> 00:00:59: The world is not only in turmoil since today, 00:00:59 --> 00:01:07: but today, in September 2020, we feel this particularly intensely. 00:01:07 --> 00:01:10: I am very pleased to have the present conversation with 00:01:11 --> 00:01:11: a man who, 00:01:11 --> 00:01:14: since his studies in politics, history, 00:01:14 --> 00:01:18: sociology and state law, has always been and is always 00:01:18 --> 00:01:19: where 00:01:19 --> 00:01:22: it is governed. About Washington and Tokyo 8 years in 00:01:22 --> 00:01:23: London, 5 00:01:23 --> 00:01:26: years in Paris and for a year and a half 00:01:26 --> 00:01:30: in Berlin as head of zdf's capital studio. 1 00:01:30 --> 00:01:33: He says the world is not just in turmoil. 00:01:33 --> 00:01:36: Since Corona, it has also accelerated in transition. 00:01:36 --> 00:01:39: We are experiencing a turning point in which in a 00:01:39 --> 00:01:43: very short time a great deal of future is decided 00:01:43 --> 00:01:44: warmly theo Koll. 00:01:46 --> 00:01:55: What, please, is it? When we first spoke to each 00:01:55 --> 00:01:57: other on the 00:01:57 --> 00:02:00: phone last December, we quickly agreed on the title of 00:02:00 --> 00:02:01: the world in turmoil. 00:02:01 --> 00:02:04: It was a world of multiple conflicts, 00:02:04 --> 00:02:08: but in which Corona has not played a role at 00:02:08 --> 00:02:08: all. 00:02:08 --> 00:02:13: The pandemic is a global and political social stress test. 00:02:13 --> 00:02:18: Countries with capable, responsible governments are doing comparatively well by 00:02:18 --> 00:02:23: starting with weak institutions, and incompetent or corrupt leadership must 00:02:23 --> 00:02:24: be stagnation. 00:02:24 --> 00:02:28: Instability and impoverishment fear we start with a look at 00:02:28 --> 00:02:29: Germany have said that 00:02:29 --> 00:02:33: the world is in turmoil and we spoke to each 00:02:33 --> 00:02:34: other last week 00:02:34 --> 00:02:36: saying we are now going out and from the outside 00:02:36 --> 00:02:39: to the inside and now we are going from the 00:02:39 --> 00:02:39: inside out. 00:02:42 --> 00:02:46: Germany and if the view of Germany and the local 00:02:46 --> 00:02:50: perception in the last 12 years we had 4 big 00:02:50 --> 00:02:51: crises 00:02:51 --> 00:02:53: that somehow ever seemed as 00:02:53 --> 00:02:57: if they had suddenly fallen from the sky. 00:02:57 --> 00:03:01: These crises have in the public perception of a common 00:03:02 --> 00:03:05: one they seem to have evaded any prevention and then 00:03:06 --> 00:03:10: are eerily quickly almost exponential have they unfolded? 00:03:10 --> 00:03:15: The financial crisis, the so-called refugee crisis, the corona crisis, 00:03:15 --> 00:03:15: of 00:03:15 --> 00:03:18: course, the climate crisis, which somehow always runs along so 00:03:18 --> 00:03:18: constantly. 00:03:18 --> 00:03:20: And what do you perceive? 00:03:20 --> 00:03:25: A policy of alternativelessness and a state of emergency naturally 00:03:25 --> 00:03:30: fuels conspiracy theories and the irrational part of society Mr 2 00:03:30 --> 00:03:30: Koll. 00:03:30 --> 00:03:33: What can politics do differently, 00:03:33 --> 00:03:38: that they are perceive differently from the one just described? 00:03:38 --> 00:03:40: Good question, then, I think 00:03:40 --> 00:03:44: this crisis is different from other crises before, 00:03:44 --> 00:03:49: and so it is a greater opportunity for politics. 00:03:49 --> 00:03:54: Something else can and we all I 00:03:54 --> 00:03:57: believe this pandemic. 00:03:57 --> 00:04:04: More closely goes to all of us social coordinate system 00:04:04 --> 00:04:07: and therefore all of us. 00:04:07 --> 00:04:13: Are and must be more prepared for change the financial 00:04:13 --> 00:04:17: crisis of the affected certain areas 00:04:17 --> 00:04:20: yes, that had to be 00:04:20 --> 00:04:24: borne financially, but the KO? Fit 19 Crisis is 00:04:24 --> 00:04:28: something that goes on in 00:04:28 --> 00:04:32: all areas of life, and it has a very peculiar 00:04:32 --> 00:04:33: dialectic. 00:04:33 --> 00:04:37: On the one hand we have all been slowed down, 00:04:37 --> 00:04:43: so a psychologist, has described the time Germany disintegrates into 00:04:43 --> 00:04:47: 2 areas into the floodplain and into the grey country. 00:04:47 --> 00:04:51: I would suggest that everyone in this Chamber is more 00:04:51 --> 00:04:53: in the floodplain, 00:04:53 --> 00:04:56: so we have seen this as a slowdown. 00:04:56 --> 00:05:00: Many trips many way, many 00:05:00 --> 00:05:03: appointments, many way. Suddenly you had time. 00:05:03 --> 00:05:06: The President of the Federal Republic of Germany told me 00:05:06 --> 00:05:08: in the summer interview that he would have cleaned up 00:05:08 --> 00:05:10: his cellar for days, whether it was true or not. 00:05:10 --> 00:05:14: But I think that's what many of us have done, 00:05:14 --> 00:05:16: so if you want to put it 00:05:16 --> 00:05:19: nasty, we've fallen into a kind of Biedermeier. 00:05:19 --> 00:05:22: For a few months a few weeks. 00:05:22 --> 00:05:29: but. It has changed our all coordinate system and at 00:05:29 --> 00:05:32: the same time is 00:05:32 --> 00:05:35: besides this acceleration, that's what I just meant with that 00:05:35 --> 00:05:37: with the dialectic. 00:05:37 --> 00:05:42: Has there been an acceleration of change and will still 00:05:42 --> 00:05:46: bring it I believe that this year 2020 man is 00:05:46 --> 00:05:51: always somehow inclined to pull any superlatives and. 00:05:51 --> 00:05:54: And looking ahead, you can do it very easily and 00:05:55 --> 00:05:57: be a bit irresponsible, but I 3 00:05:57 --> 00:06:01: really believe that this year will be a turning point 00:06:01 --> 00:06:02: when we 00:06:02 --> 00:06:07: look back. Then, in 2020 and corona is likely to 00:06:07 --> 00:06:08: lead to 00:06:08 --> 00:06:12: us seeing much more serious processes of change in our 00:06:12 --> 00:06:17: society and we are bringing them in ourselves than, for 00:06:17 --> 00:06:20: example, the financial crisis. 00:06:20 --> 00:06:25: The refugee crisis also had major changes. 00:06:25 --> 00:06:30: However, we now have the AFD in Parliament and many 00:06:30 --> 00:06:33: other social upheavals. 00:06:33 --> 00:06:37: Covid captures all of us in Germany in a very 00:06:37 --> 00:06:40: special way, but of course worldwide. 00:06:40 --> 00:06:43: I believe that this will bring about change.