Oral history interview with Paul Allen Reed, 1994 Apr. 29 Funding for the digital preservation of this interview was provided by a grant from the Save America's Treasures Program of the National Park Service. Contact Information Reference Department Archives of American Art Smithsonian Institution Washington. D.C. 20560 www.aaa.si.edu/askus Transcript Preface The following oral history transcript is the result of a recorded interview with Paul Reed on April 29, 1994. The interview took place in Arlington, Virginia, and was conducted by Judith Zilczer for the Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution. The sound quality for this interview is poor throughout, leading to an abnormally high number of inaudible sections. The Archives of American Art has reviewed the transcript and has made corrections and emendations. This transcript has been lightly edited for readability by the Archives of American Art. The reader should bear in mind that they are reading a transcript of spoken, rather than written, prose. Interview JUDITH ZILCZER: This is track number one. Yeah, it's—it's going now. It's working. PAUL REED: [inaudible] not your equipment, mine. [They laugh.] That's [inaudible]. JUDITH ZILCZER: Thank you for checking. Today is Friday, April 29. I'm Judith Zilczer, and I'm here at—in Arlington, Virginia, at the home of Paul Reed. And we will be talking about his life and his career this morning. [Audio Break.] JUDITH ZILCZER: Alright, let's begin. Um, I thought we'd talk a little bit about your background and—native [ph] Washingtonian. PAUL REED: Yeah, yeah. Well, um, as early as I can remember, I was making things, you know, mainly drawings and things. [Audio Break.] PAUL REED: —encouragement in school. JUDITH ZILCZER: Did you have any special teachers that encouraged you? PAUL REED: In—at McKinley High School here, there was an Alexis Mattie [ph], who was the—in those days, quite unusual, I think, as a—a high school art teacher. [Audio Break.] JUDITH ZILCZER: Yeah, you better get a little closer, because I noticed the—the machine was stopping when— PAUL REED: Okay. JUDITH ZILCZER: Go ahead. PAUL REED: And, um, I can remember in junior high school, we—one of the teachers gave me my first bottle of India ink. [They laugh.] And I don't know why I remember that, but it was important. The—the Post was, um—I guess it was the old Times-Herald then—would run the kids' drawings, like it was a, sort of, a contest. JUDITH ZILCZER: Oh, that's wonderful. PAUL REED: And, uh, I used my father's name, and— JUDITH ZILCZER: Which was? PAUL REED: [00:02:02] And they sent you a dollar or two if they published. And they were just a little [inaudible]. And, um, the—when I went [ph] to California with my father for the—I guess it was a senior semester of high school, in San Diego. And, uh, came back and graduated from McKinley, and then went back out that following summer, and entered San Diego State University. And that was very brief, two or three weeks at the most, because this was, uh, '37, it would be— [Audio Break.] PAUL REED: —the voice activation, yeah. JUDITH ZILCZER: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We have to make— PAUL REED: That's a very good thing. JUDITH ZILCZER: It's a good device, but—but—but it's almost too sensitive, because if you speak softly, it's— PAUL REED: Oh, it—it won't grab it, huh? JUDITH ZILCZER: Yeah. I'm going to turn up the sound just a little bit, so that— PAUL REED: Yeah. JUDITH ZILCZER: —or the volume, so that maybe it will make it more sensitive. [They laugh.] PAUL REED: Um, and there was a—they were—well, we were just coming out of the Depression then, but, uh, they were still very hard times, and a job opened up on the newspaper, on the—on the Times-Herald. Got a letter from a friend. And so I left school. It was hard enough to try to stay in school anyways, just for economic reasons. And the—the job was, um, uh, masking half-tones so they could drop out the whites in advertising. And, uh, I was there a while, and they—I—I went to the Corcoran [School of Arts and Design]. It was a night job, so I went to the Corcoran in the daytime. The—you know, the work would come in, and we were [ph] preparing for the paper the next day is when we'd have to [ph] come in. [00:04:05] JUDITH ZILCZER: Right. But you put in long days, then, I would imagine. PAUL REED: Well, it—you know, when you're young, you can go 24 hours, and it doesn't matter much. And, um, I, um—so that was just before Christmas, only the work dropped off. And—and it looked like they were going to lay people off. And—and, uh, a job opened in Atlanta. So here, again, I had to leave the art school, and I went down to Atlanta. And, uh— JUDITH ZILCZER: While you were at the Corcoran, can you tell me, who was your teach—who were your teachers? PAUL REED: Well, uh, [Richard] Lahey was there then— JUDITH ZILCZER: Really? PAUL REED: —and a man named [Kenneth] Stubbs. I think Stubbs was the—the—we were doing antique drawings with Stubbs, I think. JUDITH ZILCZER: That's an appropriately named instructor. [They laugh.] I think of the—the animal—animalier teacher, [laughs] George Stubbs. PAUL REED: Yeah. And, uh, I went to Atlanta and worked. And curiously enough, the Atlanta job paid almost twice what the Times-Herald was paying me. It was—it was, like—Social Security had just come in, and the—as I remember, I got $18.72 a week, and the missing pennies were for Social Security. It was, like, $17.82 a week, and I was paid $18 a week. This was 1937. Anyway, with—Atlanta was $30 a week, and that was— JUDITH ZILCZER: And where—where were you work— PAUL REED: —all the money in the world at that time. JUDITH ZILCZER: [Laughs.] Now, where were you living—uh, where were you working in Atlanta? PAUL REED: It was an engraving firm. JUDITH ZILCZER: Engraving. PAUL REED: It was called photo processing engraving. And—saved enough money, and a friend in California had invited me out for the—for the summer. So I quit the job and went to—spent the summer in San Diego, going to the beach. [00:06:03] Making a few drawings here and there, but not—the art wasn't important. We were just having a good time. And then I returned in the fall and went back on the paper. I mean, all this is fairly extended, and I don't think it seems [ph] very important, but it all is condensed within a few years. JUDITH ZILCZER: Right. PAUL REED: And, um, the, um—then this, now, was getting—we—I got married in '39. JUDITH ZILCZER: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. PAUL REED: I was 19. And— JUDITH ZILCZER: Where did you meet your wife? PAUL REED: In Washington. JUDITH ZILCZER: In Washington. PAUL REED: Yeah, mm-hmm [affirmative]. JUDITH ZILCZER: Was she also interested in art. PAUL REED: Yeah, yeah. She was my first wife and my last wife. [They laugh.] Um, the—then the war was imminent, at this point. JUDITH ZILCZER: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. PAUL REED: [inaudible] was getting into the 1940s. And, uh, I went with the air force as a civilian— JUDITH ZILCZER: You enlisted, or— PAUL REED: No, no, as a civilian. JUDITH ZILCZER: —no, no, as a civilian. PAUL REED:. Yeah. Mm-hmm [affirmative]. The air force magazine. It was called the air corps then, [inaudible] they changed the name. And they moved the whole office to New York. So it was on 101 Park Avenue. And, um — JUDITH ZILCZER: That's where you lived, or—or that—or that's where they had their office? That's— PAUL REED: Yeah, 101 Park Avenue. Yeah, we—we were out on [ph] Long Island, and— JUDITH ZILCZER: Oh, where—where—where did you— PAUL REED: Elmhurst [Queens, New York City.] JUDITH ZILCZER: Oh, yes. PAUL REED: And, uh— [Audio Break.] JUDITH ZILCZER: Well, it stopped again. [00:08:00] PAUL REED: Yeah, that's because we didn't want to make any noise. JUDITH ZILCZER: Okay, or [ph]—okay. [Laughs.] PAUL REED: And then I—I did illustrations and page design for the magazine. And I was there two years, and, uh, let's see. We were [inaudible], so this would be—hmm, '42, I guess. And the—what had happened was, the— [inaudible] out of the [ph] war, they were—there were a lot of artists going into the Army, and they were preferring uniformed people, rather than [ph] civilians, for military jobs. And so I took a job at an advertising agency, um, in—in—up in Montclair, New Jersey— JUDITH ZILCZER: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. PAUL REED: —uh, [inaudible] Adams. And I was there four years. And then I went over to, um, to Monroe [F.] Dreyer [Inc.] Advertising in New York City. And that was, uh—I left there in 1950. [Audio Break.] PAUL REED: —came here and established a freelance design business. [Audio Break.] PAUL REED: —[inaudible] Bill [inaudible]. [Audio Break.] JUDITH ZILCZER: How did you meet him? How did you know him? PAUL REED: Oh, Bill I met on the newspaper.