LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 1839 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 20 November 2019 The Council met at Eleven o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S., J.P. 1840 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK WING-HANG THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 1841 THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, S.B.S., J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE ALVIN YEUNG THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WAN SIU-KIN THE HONOURABLE CHU HOI-DICK THE HONOURABLE JIMMY NG WING-KA, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JUNIUS HO KWAN-YIU, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HO KAI-MING THE HONOURABLE LAM CHEUK-TING THE HONOURABLE HOLDEN CHOW HO-DING THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-CHUN THE HONOURABLE WILSON OR CHONG-SHING, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YUNG HOI-YAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PIERRE CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHUN-YING, J.P. 1842 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 THE HONOURABLE TANYA CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-KWAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HUI CHI-FUNG THE HONOURABLE LUK CHUNG-HUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KWOK-FAN, M.H. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LAU IP-KEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHENG CHUNG-TAI THE HONOURABLE KWONG CHUN-YU THE HONOURABLE JEREMY TAM MAN-HO THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE AU NOK-HIN THE HONOURABLE VINCENT CHENG WING-SHUN, M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HOI-YAN MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-FAI, J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 1843 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE WONG KAM-SING, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THE HONOURABLE JOHN LEE KA-CHIU, S.B.S., P.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE FRANK CHAN FAN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT AND HOUSING PROF THE HONOURABLE SOPHIA CHAN SIU-CHEE, J.P. SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH THE HONOURABLE EDWARD YAU TANG-WAH, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE HONOURABLE PATRICK NIP TAK-KUEN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS MR ANDY CHAN SHUI-FU, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, DEPUTY SECRETARY GENERAL MS DORA WAI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 1844 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) PAPERS TO BE LAID ON THE TABLE OF THE COUNCIL The following papers were laid on the table under Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Immigration Service Welfare Fund Report on the administration of the Fund, Financial statements and Report of the Director of Audit for the year ended 31 March 2019 Secretary for Home Affairs Incorporated Financial statements and Report of the Director of Audit for the year ended 31 March 2019 Sir Edward Youde Memorial Fund Report of the Board of Trustees, Financial statements and Report of the Director of Audit for the Period 1 April 2018 to 31 March 2019 Competition Commission Annual Report 2018/2019 (including Financial Statements and Independent Auditor's Report) ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Questions. First question. Mr HUI Chi-fung, please ask your question. (Dr KWOK Ka-ki indicated his wish to raise a point of order) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Dr KWOK Ka-ki, what is your point of order? LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 1845 DR KWOK KA-KI (in Cantonese): President, I raised an urgent question earlier on the situation of the Police having fired nearly 10 000 rounds of tear gas as of that time. I have noticed that President has, time and again, ignored completely these issues of great concern to the people of Hong Kong. I would like to ask the President: How should we view the work and functions of the Legislative Council? What is under discussion is that parents, teachers and even students across Hong Kong are exposed to tear gas, or even dioxins, in every community, but the President has not once permitted urgent questions to be asked on this issue. PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): I have made rulings in writing on several applications for asking urgent questions submitted previously. In fact, this Council has a very rigorous mechanism for handling requests for asking urgent questions. The most important consideration is whether the asking of a particular question will become meaningless if it were not asked at the current meeting. The Legislative Council has a plurality of channels and platforms for Members to ask these questions. Members may do so by waiting for their turn to ask questions in the oral question session of this Council's meetings or at committee meetings, and everything will be handled according to the established mechanism. Dr KWOK Ka-ki, please sit down. Mr HUI Chi-fung, please ask your question. Inquiring into the movement of opposition to the proposed legislative amendments 1. MR HUI CHI-FUNG (in Cantonese): Thank you, Mr LEUNG. The "Anti-extradition to China" movement has not subsided since its eruption in June this year. It has been reported that as revealed by the findings of a number of public opinion surveys, more than 70% of members of the public support the appointment of a commission of inquiry by the Government under the Commissions of Inquiry Ordinance to inquire into issues relating to the movement. However, the Government has all along merely indicated that the 1846 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 matters relating to the various large-scale public events and the operations conducted by the Police have been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Council ("IPCC") for examination, and that IPCC would submit a report together with improvement recommendations. As all members of IPCC are appointed by the Chief Executive, some members of the public consider that IPCC has a pro-government stance and they have little confidence in the independence of IPCC's work. In this connection, will the Government inform this Council: (1) among the complaints received by the Complaints Against Police Office in each of the past three years, of the number and percentage of substantiated cases, and among the complaints involving accusations of assault, the number and percentage of substantiated cases; (2) given that IPCC is not empowered to summon witnesses and carry out investigations, how the Government ensures that the report to be published by IPCC in future will provide a comprehensive and an objective analysis of the causes of the "Anti-extradition to China" movement, and that IPCC will reach an objective and an impartial conclusion about whether or not police officers have used force excessively; and (3) in respect of conducting inquiries into issues relating to the "Anti-extradition to China" movement, whether it has assessed the merits and demerits for the relevant work to be taken up by an independent commission of inquiry or by IPCC, whose members' independence has been called into question; if so, of the outcome? (Mr Steven HO indicated his wish to raise a point of order) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr Steven HO, what is your point of order? MR STEVEN HO (in Cantonese): President, I see that Mr HUI Chi-fung has not read out the exact wording of the draft. He has done some little tricks. I would like the President to make a ruling. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 20 November 2019 1847 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr HUI Chi-fung, please read out the main question again.