Auto voice: Good Vibe University. Jeannette Maw: Welcome, everyone. This is Jeannette with Good Vibe University. Super excited to be welcoming Pam Grout to the party today. Hello, Pam. Pam Grout: Hello, everybody. Jeannette Maw: We've got, I think, a variety of fun things to play with you today. I did ask around for, "If you could ask Pam Grout anything you could, what would it be?" I've got a variety of eclectic questions. I'm laughing at some of them which I may ask. Pam Grout: Hey, I love eclectic questions. That sounds fun. I get asked the same questions a lot, so yeah, it'd be fun to have some eclectic ones. Jeannette Maw: Well, I'm going to take you up on that. Before we dive in though, I thought it would be fabulous for ... I know everyone here knows you from E-Squared but how many here know Pam's E-Cubed. Do we have people who've been through her ... Is it a bestseller yet, Pam? Or, should I say your next bestseller? Pam Grout: It's on a couple of lists but it hasn't made the New York Times list quite yet. It took E-Squared a little while to do that but we'll see. People seem to like it but it hasn't hit that coveted list quite yet. Jeannette Maw: I still run into people who are playing with your E-Squared. In fact, I know that when E-Cubed came out it inspired a lot of people to go see what all the stuf was about and they started with E-Squared. Pam Grout: Yeah. Jeannette Maw: I know we have some people on the line who might be fairly new to your work, and others who just gobble up every single thing that you share with us. Would you give a little bit of background about yourself and how you're playing in the world? Pam Grout: Yeah. I'm actually a full-time writer. Well, E-Cubed, when it came out in September, is my 17th book. I do a lot of writing of all kinds. I'm a travel writer, so ... I write bios, sometimes, for PEOPLE Magazine. I do a wide variety of things. I've been a freelance for 20, maybe going on 30, years now. I've used the Law Of Attraction a lot in my work to create this career. When you're self-employed like this, and I have been for a long time, you have to have a lot of faith and know that your thoughts are doing things. I've been using these principles for a long time. I watch them go, "How did you go from travel writing to writing about this?" It's actually a real natural progression because I have always been interested in these kind of principles. Jeannette Maw: So, this is something that's been part of your life for as long as you can remember? Or, was there something that introduced you to the concepts of conscious creation? Pam Grout: I was a student of A Course in Miracles. That might be how I first got into it. Even back in the days of reading Norman Vincent Peale, The Power of Positive Thinking, I've been aware of this kind of work for a long time. I've read Think and Grow Rich, so I've been more or less aware of this work for a long time. Like I said, it totally lines up with the way I've always looked at things and the way I've managed my career. So, yeah. I'm not really sure when or how I ... I don't have that moment. Some people will go, "Oh, yeah, this is that moment. It was July 6, 1982," or whatever. I don't have that one thing. I just fell into it or whatever. Jeannette Maw: You showed up one day. Pam Grout: You know, the one thing, too, when you're a writer and you really get into the zone, you know when there's this other thing going on, this other energy, this other force. I think, in some ways, almost all artists or writers will be a little bit aware of this, whether they admit it or not. I would say, as much as anything, that could be how I got into it, just by virtue of my career. Jeannette Maw: Wow, really interesting. The astrologer in me really wants to see what your birth chart looks like, but we'll save that for another call. Pam Grout: Hey, I want to know what it looks like, too. Pam Grout interview Page 2 of 22 Jeannette Maw: Oh, okay. That was one of our other questions. What's your spiritual study been? Are there other disciplines that you've engaged that overlap or support your manifesting practice? Or, are you just ... Pam Grout: Yeah. Again, A Course in Miracles is my main spiritual practice. Although, right now I'm reading this book called The Way of Mastery, and I've decided that I might go through those lessons this year. I'm a continuous student. Even though I write about this stuf, I'm always learning, and always growing and learning new things. I've been a member of a Unity Church. I don't know if anybody out there is a Unitic, but that is right in line with the law of attraction principle. I've studied that. I remember, I guess, now that I reflect back, when I first moved to Kansas City, there was The Metaphysical Society of Kansas City. I remember taking a class there, so I guess this has always been on my radar, probably since I was born. Jeannette Maw: Wow, okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense for how you roll. That was one of the other questions we had, too. What is your manifesting process like? Is it a lot of disciple and commitment, or is it really foot-loose and fancy-free? Pam Grout: Oh, man. Foot-loose and fancy-free definitely describes me. I believe in the crock pot principle. Just throw it in there and then just let it go, and know that it'll be cooked up when it's time to go. Any more, I so trust in the universe and the fact that the universe has my back, that I almost don't even have to intend all that much. Things just show up. This is a small, little example. My boyfriend and I were talking yesterday about this couple. He said, "Are they still married?" They've got 4 daughters, we were just talking about that because we hadn't seen them together for a really long time. My daughter and I just walked downtown and had breakfast with cofee or whatever. I ran into them, they're of course, still married. Anything I want to know just somehow shows up. That's not even that big a deal, but the universe is just always providing for me. Pam Grout interview Page 3 of 22 Once you start looking for signs and blessing, it just happens. It's just a constant way. If I want to know something, well, there it is. It will just pop up on my computer or whatever I need to know. I don't do as much intentional manifesting these days as maybe I did a while back. Again, just trusting that whatever I need is going to show up, because I've had such good luck with that. Jeannette Maw: Wow, okay. That doesn't sound like you're engaging anything like Esther Hicks is. You know how Abraham talks about doing focus wheels? They've described Esther's process in the morning where she basks in appreciation and then makes a list of [rampage 00:06:36] of something-or-other and then she's doing a focus wheel ... To me, it seems like a lot of work, but it seems to be suiting her exceptionally well. It sounds like you're on the other extreme of this. Pam Grout: Yeah, I'm all about smooth and easy. I think Esther Hicks prays all about smooth and easy, too. You probably heard, I've been talking about this for a long time, my AA 2.0 program. Again, it's smooth and easy. It's 2 steps. It's not like the old AA program, it's 2.0, so it's 2 steps. The first one is, I get up in the morning and I go, "Something amazingly awesome is going to happen to me today." That's pretty easy, that's amazingly awesome, that's AA. The second thing is, I text blessings to my power posse. I send 3 blessings that have to be diferent, you can't do the same blessing you did yesterday. That's the simple thing that I do, pretty much every day. I do set intentions, then I'll write them in my journal. I love- I'm a writer, so of course I write every single day. I'll jot some things I'm down that I'm thinking about, or something that comes to me. So there is a little bit of a process, but it changes, too. I'm definitely the foot-loose and fancy-free type, for sure. I really like that thing that you and Michelle [Bauman 00:07:50] had talked about, "set it and forget it".