Third Session - Thirty-Eighth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable George Hickes Speaker Vol. LVI No. 42A - 10 a.m., Thursday, May 5, 2005 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Eighth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation AGLUGUB, Cris The Maples N.D.P. ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. CUMMINGS, Glen Ste. Rose P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. LOEWEN, John Fort Whyte P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. MURRAY, Stuart Kirkfield Park P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack Southdale P.C. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Carman P.C. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SALE, Tim, Hon. Fort Rouge N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Wellington N.D.P. SCHELLENBERG, Harry Rossmere N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. SMITH, Scott, Hon. Brandon West N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 2391 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, May 5, 2005 The House met at 10 a.m. interested to think of what will happen to my friend, the Member for Inkster (Mr. Lamoureux), when he is PRAYERS called for judgment, and by judgment I do not mean the next election day when the people in Inkster get a Introduction of Guests new MLA, but a far more serious day. [interjection] Mr. Speaker: Prior to Orders of the Day, I would My friend says he wants to campaign in Minto. like to draw the attention of all honourable members He just did, and it did not work very well. to the public gallery where we have with us from Darwin School 41 Grade 9 students under the direction of Mrs. Janice Pauls and Mrs. Loreen Certainly, Mr. Speaker, those who do believe in Granda. This school is located in the constituency of a higher power and who are considering what will the honourable Minister of Family Services and happen to my friend from Inkster know that he will Housing (Ms. Melnick). raise a point of order, and the answer to that point of order will be found in a book, but it will not be On behalf of all honourable members, I welcome Beauchesne. It will likely be the Book of Genesis. I you here today. am sure the speaker in that house will point out to my friend, the MLA for Inkster, that there was a lot ORDERS OF THE DAY of work. There was the creation of light, land, plants, animals and people. I can almost predict what the PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS Member for Inkster (Mr. Lamoureux) will say. He will say, "Yes, yes, I appreciate that is good, but you DEBATE ON SECOND READINGS– only sat for six days." PUBLIC BILLS Mr. Speaker, everybody has their own idea of Bill 201–The Legislative Assembly how forgiving a Creator we have. Certainly, the Amendment Act Member for Inkster will hope that it is a forgiving Mr. Speaker: Resume debate on second reading of Creator. If not, though, he will be fine because where public bills, Bill 201, The Legislative Assembly he is going there will be lots of other members of the Amendment Act, standing in the name of the opposition. The Member for Inkster will be able to honourable Member for Pembina (Mr. Dyck). do what he does best, which is to vote against a progressive government and vote with the Tories on What is the will of the House? Is the will of the almost every single bill, and, of course, in that forum House for the bill to remain standing in the name of he will get his wish because there will be a sitting the honourable Member for Pembina? [Agreed] 365 days a year into eternity. So it may be a good place for him. It is also standing in the name of the honourable Member for Minto, who has five minutes remaining. My point is this, Mr. Speaker. The point is that if the member was truly concerned about the amount Mr. Andrew Swan (Minto): I realize I just have a and the quality of the work that goes on in this few minutes left to speak, but I do wish to put some Chamber, he could say so but he does not. His more comments on the mantra of my friend, the concern is not about the value of the work being MLA for Inkster. done. I am very proud that in this session this government, an active, positive government, is Now, Mr. Speaker, we are certainly lucky to live bringing in a great deal of progressive legislation in a country and a province where people are free to which is going to make things better for the people in believe as they wish, and of course many in this this province. House believe in the existence of a higher power. Some do not. They are free to do so, but those who As I look down the list of 45 bills this do believe in a higher power are certainly going to be government has introduced, I look at The Workers 2392 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 5, 2005 Compensation Amendment Act, which is going to What is the will of the House? Is it the will of modernize The Workers Compensation Act and the House for the bill to remain standing in the name provide additional protections for all Manitoba of the honourable Member for Rossmere? [Agreed] workers. I look at The Electricians' Licence Amend- ment Act which is going to provide safety so we The bill will remain standing in the name of the never have another tragedy as occurred to young honourable Member for Rossmere. Michael Skanderberg. I look at The Water Protection Act, and I know we have a lot of debate to go and a Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I am very pleased lot of work to do, but certainly as someone who lives today to rise and speak to Bill 203, The Manitoba close to a river, someone who enjoys spending time Public Insurance Corporation Amendment Act, on the shores of Lake Winnipeg, I am very proud of sponsored by the Member for River East (Mrs. the work this government is doing. I am also Mitchelson). prepared, as we all are, to accept there is going to be debate and some negotiation on how that act should Mr. Speaker, at the outset, I want to say that the look. Tories have come a long way in the last 32 years since MPIC was formed. Back in 1971, they were So the point is the question should not be how organizing big 10 000-people rallies out on the many days is this House sitting. The question is what Legislature lawns and fearmongering among the is this House doing. As a member of the government public, and trying to destabilize and defeat what at side, I am very proud of the work that our govern- that time was a minority government. ment is doing. I am very confident that we do not need some artificial rules set up by my friend from Mr. Conrad Santos, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair Inkster. Whether it is 60 days, 80 days, a hundred days that this House is sitting, we are prepared to go * (10:10) forward and do the work we need to do for the benefit of the people of the province of Manitoba. Just four years later, in 1973, when the Thank you, Mr. Speaker. government went for re-election, the Tories at that time came to the conclusion that even they would not Mr. Speaker: Any other speakers? Okay, when this sell the corporation back to the private sector. I recall matter is again before the House, it will remain a statement made by Ross Thatcher, back a number standing in the name of the honourable Member for of years ago in Saskatchewan when he became Pembina (Mr. Dyck). Premier, he was asked about whether he would sell off SGI, and he said, "I may not be a socialist, but I Bill 202–The Health Services Amendment and am not a fool either." Because he realized what a Health Services Insurance Amendment Act value a public insurance corporation is and can be to a jurisdiction like Saskatchewan or like Manitoba.