UNCLASSIFIED SummarizedDetainee Statement Tribunal President Abdur Rahman, youmay now present any evidence you haveto the Tribunal and you havetheassistanceof yourPersonalRepresentativeindoing so . Do you wish to presentcvidence to the Tribunal? Detainee: Yes, I do. I want the assistance of my Representative. I will also say something. Tribunal President All right. Will this statement be written or oral? Detainee : I can make an oral statement . Personal Representative: The Detainee would like for me to read a written statement. will present it to the Tribunal Then the Detainee will make an oral presentation and answer questions afterwards. Tribunal President: Would you like to make your statement under a Muslim oath ? Detainee: Yes. TribunalPresident: Recorderwillyou administer the The Detaiacewas usingthe Muslimoath. In the followingsection ofthe summarizedtranscript, the PersonalRepresentative readsthe detainee's written statement attached as Exhibit - B ) to the Tribunal. statementaddresseseach pointon the UnclassifiedSummary of Evidencein order. Becausethe statementdoes notalways indicatethe text ofthe point being addressed, the pointsfromthe UnclassifiedSummaryofEvidenceare provided below in italicsto putthe detainee'sstatement intocontext. Any commentsmadeby the detainee or others whilethePersonalRepresentativereadsthe statement are summarized, as well. Tribunal President: Personal Representative, wouldyou present the information. Personal Representative: Abdur Rahmandictatedthe following written on 13 September in response to his Uniclassified Summary of Evidence dated 4 September 2004 Tribunal Member: May I just ask one quick question ? Are you going to offer the written statement as evidence to us the Tribunal) afterwards? PersonalRepresentative: Yes, Sir. ISN# 581 Enclosure ( 3) Page of21 UNCLASSIFIED // 001722 UNCLASSIFIED Tribunal Member: Okay. Itjust determines how much notes I will take. Thank you. Personal Representative: I will begin again Detainee Sayid Abdur Rahman dictated the following written statement on 13 September in response to his Unclassified Summary of Evidence dated 4 September 2004. 3.a. The detainee is a member ofthe Taliban . 1. The detaineewas bominPishin . Personal Representative: In response to ( ) theunclassified summary , this is true. I was in Pishin, Pakistan . Detainee: Yes. 2. The detainee joined Taliban shortly after the Taliban of Kabul Afghanistan in 1992. Personal Representative: In response to ( A2) of the unclassified summary , this is not true. I was never a member of the Taliban and I have never been to Kabul. Afghanistan . I have never worked with the Taliban . Detainee: Correct 3. The detainee has been identifiedas holdinga high-rankingposition in the Talibanasamilitary judge. Personal Representative: Inresponse ( ) oftheunclassifiedsummary, this is not true. Since my incarceration, I have been accused ofholdingthree different positions with the Taliban. InitiallyI was accusedofbeing DeputyForeign Ministerin Kandahar by an interrogatorwho spoke Pashtu, Detainec: And I was blindfolded. PersonalRepresentative: This is whenthe Americans werethere. This turnedoutto be false. One monthlater, I was accusedof a TalibanSecurity guardina prison in Kandahar. A female translatoraccusedme ofworkingina prisonandtoldmemyname was Bacha a securityguard inthis prisoninKandahar. Detainec: Correct. Personal Representative was false as well. I never even heard ofthe name Bacha. ISN# Enclosure(3 ) Page 2 21 UNCLASSIFIED// 001723 UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO I have never heard ofthat name and that was my first time hearing of such accusation. PersonalRepresentative: Now I am accused of a militaryjudge for the Taliban. I have no why someone would make this accusation, as it is not true. I can only speculate that was somcone from a rivalvillage close to myvillage in Pakistan. Detainee: Correct. PersonalRepresentative: However, I havenoproofbecause I am here atGTMO. Detainee: Correct. 4.Inhisposition with the Taliban, the detainee tortured , maimed, and murdered Afghani nationals who were being held in jails. Personal Representative: In response to (A4) of the unclassified summary this is totally false. The only time I liave ever been in Afghanistan was for two days to attend a funeral. A neighbor in my village of Pishin had a relative inAfghanistan who died. Detaince: Correct. Personal Representative: I went with him to Afghanistan to attend the funeral service. Detainee Correct. Personal Representative: I was only there for two days and then rcturned home. How couldI do all these things intwo days? Itis simply not possible. During the Taliban's reign I never even talked to them . Detainee: I never talkedor evendealt with them [ Taliban on anybasis. Personal Representative I never had any contacts with the Taliban at all. The two days I was in Afghanistan to attend the funeral were the only two days I spent in Afghanistan in my entire life. Detainee: Correct . PersonalRepresentative: ManyAfghanis livedinPakistanand traveledback and forth. So rivalriesor differences mighthave occurredon bothsides ofthe border. I was never a judge inPakistanor Afghanistan, nor was I ever a DeputyForeignMinisterin either ofthese two countries. Nor was I ever a security guard ineitherofthese two countries. ISN#581 Enclosure( ) Page3 of21 UNCLASSIFIED FOUO 001724 UNCLASSIFIED Detainee: Yes. I nevereven heldthose positions. Personal Representative: I am only a chicken farmer inPakistan. I would also occasionally some extra money by helping out at the local school. I would teach children how to pray and how to perform absolution. I would them right from wrong. Detainee: Correct. Personal Representative: However, my main income and occupation was as a chicken farmer Detaince Correct. 5. Pakistaniauthorities arrestedthe detainee inFall 2001. Personal Representative: In response to ( A5 ) of the unclassified summary , no , it was the end of January 2002 . Detainec . It was towards the end of January I don't remember, it was in January Tribunal President: January ofwhat year? Detainee: 2002 PersonalRepresentative: I was inmyhome. I didn't liveon the chicken farm , I worked on one . Detainee: Correct. PersonalRepresentative: The Pakistaniauthoritiesknockedon my doorand toldmethat they wantedto searchmy house. Detainee: . PersonalRepresentative: I asked themwhythey wanted to searchmy house and I was told they were lookingfor ancient artifacts thatwere looted. Delainee Correct PersonalRepresentative: I didnot know what they were talking about and hadnothing to hide. They did not find any artifacts, as I did not have any to find. Detainec: I had nothing to hide. I was a poor person. What was I going to hide? 581 ( 3) Page4 of21 UNCLASSIFIED// FOUO 001725 UNCLASSIFIED // Personal Representative: They did not find any artifacts, as I did not have any to find. Detainee: In my houso I had nothing. We lived very simply. There were no artifacts anything. Personal Representative: However, the Pakistani authorities told me that I hadto go with them to the police station . Detainee: Correct. Personal Representative: I asked them why ? They searched my house and found nothing. Detainee: I said why did they want to take me ? told me they needed meto talk to the leader. So they wanted to have a talk . Personal Represcntative: I was lold I had to go. At police station they questioned me more about the ancient artifacts. Detainee: They were asking me where were the artifacts ? They had heard reports. PersonalRepresentative: I toldthem you searched my house and you found nothing Detainee: I told already searched house and they could searchagain anywhere. Find the person who was spreadingthose rumors about me. I am not guiltyof anything PersonalRepresentative The policethen toldmeeventhough they didnotfind any artifacts, ifI did not give themmoney, a bribe, I was gone. Detainee: Correct. They wanteda bribe. Personal Representative: I told them that Ididn't have any moneyto give, buteven ifI did, I was not going to give itto them . Detaince: Correct. I told them even ifI had any money I was not going to give it them . What had I done ? Personal Representative: I asked "What have I done that I need to pay you for ?" Dctainee: Correct. I refused to them money. There were no charges that I should pay those guys money. Personal Representative: They said itjust did notmatter and we just want money. #581 Enclosure( 3) Page of UNCLASSIFIED FOUO 001726 UNCLASSIFIEDI/ FOUO Detainee: They said wejust want the money We are not playingany games here. PersonalRepresentative: Since I hadrefusedto pay the bribe, we never even discussed the amount ofmoney they wanted Detainee I did not knowwhat amountthey wanted because I didnotallowthem to get to thatpoint PersonalRepresentative: Theytold me I'dsituntilI paidthem . They took me to a cell Detainee: . PersonalRepresentative: They keptme ina cellfor a few hours and then blindfoldedme andput me ina car with someoneelse and drove us to another location. Detaince: Correct Personal Representative : I was kept in Pakistani jail for thirty - six days. Detainee: Correct Personal Representative: Duringthis time, a Pakistanisoldier asked me if was sonieone else in my village withthe same name as I. Detainee They asked me ifsomebody else's name was my name. I said there could be but I don't even know There wcre a lot ofpeople. Personal Representalive: I told them there could be,but I did not know for sure . [Both the Detainee and the Translator were speaking simultaneously .] Tribunal President: What did the Detainee say ?