LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 187 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 17 October 2019 The Council met at half-past Ten o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. 188 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK WING-HANG THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 189 THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE ALVIN YEUNG THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WAN SIU-KIN THE HONOURABLE CHU HOI-DICK THE HONOURABLE JIMMY NG WING-KA, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE JUNIUS HO KWAN-YIU, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HO KAI-MING THE HONOURABLE LAM CHEUK-TING THE HONOURABLE HOLDEN CHOW HO-DING THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-FAI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-CHUN THE HONOURABLE WILSON OR CHONG-SHING, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YUNG HOI-YAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PIERRE CHAN 190 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHUN-YING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TANYA CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-KWAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HUI CHI-FUNG THE HONOURABLE LUK CHUNG-HUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KWOK-FAN, M.H. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LAU IP-KEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHENG CHUNG-TAI THE HONOURABLE KWONG CHUN-YU THE HONOURABLE JEREMY TAM MAN-HO THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE AU NOK-HIN THE HONOURABLE VINCENT CHENG WING-SHUN, M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HOI-YAN MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, S.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 191 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE JAMES HENRY LAU JR., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY, AND FINANCIAL SECRETARY THE HONOURABLE MS TERESA CHENG YEUK-WAH, G.B.S., S.C., J.P. SECRETARY FOR JUSTICE THE HONOURABLE WONG KAM-SING, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THE HONOURABLE NICHOLAS W. YANG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY THE HONOURABLE LAU KONG-WAH, J.P. SECRETARY FOR HOME AFFAIRS DR THE HONOURABLE LAW CHI-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE THE HONOURABLE JOSHUA LAW CHI-KONG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE THE HONOURABLE JOHN LEE KA-CHIU, S.B.S., P.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY THE HONOURABLE FRANK CHAN FAN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT AND HOUSING PROF THE HONOURABLE SOPHIA CHAN SIU-CHEE, J.P. SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH THE HONOURABLE EDWARD YAU TANG-WAH, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 192 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL WONG WAI-LUN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR DEVELOPMENT THE HONOURABLE KEVIN YEUNG YUN-HUNG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION THE HONOURABLE PATRICK NIP TAK-KUEN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS CLERK IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE TO ATTEND THE MEETING UNDER RULE 8 OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, AND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS PUT BY MEMBERS ON THE POLICY ADDRESS. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 193 THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE'S QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): The Chief Executive's Question and Answer Session. Members will please remain standing while the Chief Executive enters the Chamber. (While the Chief Executive was entering the Chamber and walking towards the rostrum, a number of Members repeatedly chanted the slogans: "Five demands, not one less! Probe police brutality, seek the truth!") PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will Members please keep quiet. The Chief Executive will first address the Council. (Mr KWONG Chun-yu indicated his wish to raise a point of order) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr KWONG Chun-yu, what is your point of order? MR KWONG CHUN-YU (in Cantonese): President, please give me some 10 seconds and do not switch off my microphone so that I can raise a point of order. Carrie LAM, many Hong Kong people would like to chastise you. Your intransigence has aroused widespread anger and grievances in Hong Kong … PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr KWONG, this is not a point of order. Please sit down immediately. MR KWONG CHUN-YU (in Cantonese): President … PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr KWONG, if you have a point of order, please raise it directly. 194 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 MR KWONG CHUN-YU (in Cantonese): President, just relax. I have yet to raise my point of order. When 1 million people took to the streets, she was indifferent; when 2 million people took to the streets, she remained indifferent … PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr KWONG Chun-yu … MR KWONG CHUN-YU (in Cantonese): President, please listen first as I only have to say one more sentence. Under Rule 18 of the Rules of Procedure ("RoP") … PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr KWONG, please state your point of order. If you do not do so, please sit down. MR KWONG CHUN-YU (in Cantonese): President, please listen to what I am going to say. Under RoP 18(b), Members may, subject to the approval of the President of the Legislative Council, make obituary speeches. I hereby call upon all attendees of the meeting, including various Secretaries of Departments and Directors of Bureaux, to observe a one-minute silence for those Hong Kong people who had sacrificed their lives in the movement. The observance of silence now begins. PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): I myself also lament the deaths of the persons in question during the incidents in recent months. Nevertheless, according to the convention of this Council, the observance of silence will only be held at Council meetings to mourn for deceased Members in office, political dignitaries with significant contribution to Hong Kong or victims of catastrophes. Given that the persons in question do not belong to any of the aforesaid categories, Members may consider mourning for them on other occasions or in other ways. Chief Executive, please address the Council. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 195 CHIEF EXECUTIVE (in Cantonese): President … (A number of Members repeatedly chanted the slogan "Five demands, not one less!" while standing) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will Members please keep quiet, otherwise I will treat this behaviour as disorderly conduct. CHIEF EXECUTIVE (in Cantonese): President, Honourable Members and fellow citizens, yesterday I delivered, to the Legislative Council, the 2019 … (Ms Claudia MO repeatedly chanted "Probe police brutality", and a number of Members chanted "Find out the truth" immediately thereafter) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Ms Claudia MO, this is my final warning. If you keep shouting, I will ask you to leave the Chamber. Chief Executive, please continue with your speech. CHIEF EXECUTIVE (in Cantonese): President, Honourable Members … (A number of Members chanted the slogan "Probe police brutality, down with Carrie LAM!" while standing) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): If Members refuse to sit down and keep shouting, it will be impossible for the meeting to proceed. Many members of the public are keen to listen to the Chief Executive's Question and Answer Session. (A number of Members kept yelling while standing) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Will Members please keep quiet and sit down. (Mr CHU Hoi-dick kept yelling while standing, Mr CHAN Chi-chuen pointed at the Chief Executive and shouted "Hong Kong HITLER!") 196 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 17 October 2019 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr CHU Hoi-dick, please leave the Chamber. (Mr CHU Hoi-dick still kept shouting when security officers moved forward to assist him in leaving the Chamber) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr CHAN Chi-chuen, please withdraw what you said just now, otherwise I will treat this as … (Mr CHAN Chi-chuen shouted "Hong Kong HITLER!") PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Mr CHAN Chi-chuen, your conduct is grossly disorderly.