THE SENATE OF PAKISTAN DEBATES OFFICIAL REPORT Tuesday, November 13, 2012 (87th Session) Volume XI No. 04 (Nos.01-10) CONTENTS Pages 1. Recitation from the Holy Quran. .………....…….. 1 2. Questions and Answers …………………………. 2-24 3. Leave of Absence………………………………... 25 4. Presentation of Report of the Standing Committee on Defence and Defence Production……………... 26 5. Privilege Motion Misconduct of I.G. Punjab...................................... 27-28 6. Legislative Business The Intellectual Property Organization of Pakistan Bill, 2012………………………………………… 29 7. Point of Order Misappropriation in Senate Housing Society and other Societies…………………….................. 30-36 8. Resolution Felicitation to the Hindu Community of Pakistan on Diwali ……………………………………….. 37-44 Printed and Published by the Senate Secretariat, Islamabad. Volume XI SP.XI(04)/2012 No.04 15 SENATE OF PAKISTAN SENATE DEBATES Tuesday, November 13, 2012 The Senate of Pakistan met in the Senate Hall (Parliament House) Islamabad, at forty five minutes past four in the evening with Mr. Chairman (Syed Nayyar Hussain Bokhari) in the Chair. ---------------- Recitation from the Holy Quran ‰ ‰ ‰ ª‰ ª ª ‰‰ ‚‚ÂÂş ‰ - ‰ ‰ ‰ ª⁄ª ªªÂ‚ ‚ „ ‚ÂÂ!ª‹ #≈‹ ªč&' ª&‚‚‚ „‚ ‚ ‚ ‚‚ ‚ , ‚ ,!(ª)ª'* ª+'' , , . 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I am 424DXUW 4_B24ED 9 Ä £ 4 was a little bit longer not trying to defend them that why they have not sent the reply. d 7 on the next rota day, 4QB4DyX B4They should have sent the reply and it would be here. Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Next Question No. 94, Begum Najma Hameed sahiba . @94. *Senator Begum Najma Hameed: Will the Minister for Education and Trainings be pleased to state: (a) the funds provided by the Government to each University in public and private sector from 2008 to 2012; and (b) the criteria laid down for provision of funds to Universities? Sheikh Waqas Akram (Minister for Education and Trainings) : (a) The funds provided by the Government to each public sector universities from 2008 to 2012, are given below:ê (Rs. In Billion) —————————————————————————————— Year Recurring Development Total —————————————————————————————— 2008-09 15.766 16.417 32.183 2009-10 21.500 11.303 32.803 2010-11 29.057 14.064 43.121 2011-12 28.887 09.763 38.650 —————————————————————————————— Total 95.210 51.547 146.757 —————————————————————————————— @ Transferred from the Cabinet Division.