Page3 JUNE 1983 __________________________________________________'~~nt---------~--~~----------~----~~--------V I Prof. Sampie Terreblanche Interviewed by. Sunday Times VERLIGTE ADVISOR In what the "Sunday Times" called "an Call For Alliance Between amazingly frank and controversial interview - For every R800 spent on headlined "IT'S TIME FOR A NEW a white child, lessthan Rl00 ALLIANCE BETWEEN ENGLISH AND is spent on a black child. English And A We must close the educa- AFRIKANERS" -' Prof. Sampie tion gap as quickly as Terreblanche, the noted verligte academic of "We in the N.P., since the split, now have the New National possible. Stellenbosch University and one of the Party; and we will need the support of English-speakers ... but .Our growing economy Government's key advisers, told Stanley Uys: the P.F.P have not adapted - what we need now is a New P.F.P.," needs all the skilled people • Since the split in the NP, English said PROF. SAMPIE TERREBLANCHE in an interview with it can' get. We have simply speaking support has increased Stanley Uys of. the Sunday Times, not spent enough on blacks. • The New National Party will unleash But that kind of Below is an extract from They have never counted After the Second World reforming powers of unexpected dynamism . expenditure would put a that interview: the economic cost of War, democratic systems • The tax cápacity of the economy. sets .heavy burden on the whites. There has been a chronic political democratisation. were granted to Third important limits on contitutional and political Yet it will have to be tendency in the National South Africa is a Third I World countries, but hardly undertaken: not for change causing it to adapt stage by stage . Party to do too little too World country, with a any of them have remained humanitarian reason - we • If P.F.P. demands were met immediately late. dynamic, modern sector. democracies. are not at that point yet - there would be an economic collapse; a Only since the split have But it is a very small sector . Democracy coupled with ' but to keep the wheels of breakdown in ci~ standards we really had the potential considering that the total a trade union movement this capitalist economy • To bring about evolutionary change we to become a reform party, population numbers nearly generates massive demands turning. and it is perhaps too early 30-million. will need to change the hearts and minds of through parliament on the Even that would not be to judge whether, in the new If the blacks sit in whites - and this will take a long time economic system and only enough. We would have to circumstances, the . Parliament. they will have • .The P.F.P. and the English-language highly industrialised improve housing, transport, the bargaining power to press, with certain exceptions, have become a Government will be able to co uritries are able to, recreational and other make all manner of stumbling block to reform, because they want do enough. support the burden. \ facilities for the newly demands. But the tax But I believe the New South Africa is a IimiJeil skilled people. to go too far too fast capacity of the economy National Party, as I call it, democracy - limited to the All the services, like • South Africa can proceed up to a certain sets important ilmits on will unleash reforming whites. I don't think this is pensions, for which the point at this stage; and then to a further point constitutional and political powers of unexpected justified any longer. The TERREBLANCHE Government is responsible at a later stage • change. dynamism and that in 10 base needs to be broadened, reflect discrimination. But Why did Britain refuse to Apartheid is more than a • The N.P. have made adaptations, but the years South Africa will be a but in such a way and at equalisation at this stage is very different country. allow one man one vote in such a pace that it does not policy. It's a structure. And P.F.P. has not adapted; we have a New it's not possible to abolish just not possible. National Party - now what we need is a New We can't talk about the 1832 Reform Acts? over-stress the economy. All we can do at this Afrikaner unity any longer. Because the country was a structure overnight. P.F.P. stage is to narrow the gap, stiU in the early stages of the SCALE DOWN . All we can do is to start (Sunday Times Interview 27th March 1983) The National Party is no and whites must realise they industrial ..evolution. STANDARDS dismantling our structure longer the party of will have to take a knock Even modest reforms in over a very, very long HUMAN FACE Afrikaner unity. What and make big sacrifices. 'tapse, a breakdown in civi- South Africa would make it period. happened last year was • Many' English- . Another favourite lised standards. Here, I am necessary for whites to scale But there is no realisation traumatic. There was a speakers will accept this but demand of the P.F.P. and not talking about the white down their standard of of' this among English- complete change of attitude many others often dismiss the English-language Press man's luxurious lifestyle, living overthe next 10or 20 speakers - that it will within the N.P. Afrikaner the Prime Minister's is for civil rights without but about South Africa's years by at least 20 percent: necessarilyhave to be a long unity has been finally initiative as "cosmetic". discrimination. civilised standards, as an that would be the price we and painful process, even shattered. Have they done their Discrimination can be industrialised, Western- English-speakers are would have to pay for.' a for the richest whites, and homework on the economic abolished though only if orientated country. modest process of demo- possibly particularly for welcome to join the implications of putting too there is one man one vote. As whites we are all cratisation. them. The problems of National Party. About 25 much bargaining power too Personally, I don't like terribly spoiled. To bring percent of them supported' If coloureds and Indians South Africa cannot be discrimination. I admit about evolutionary change ' acquired bargaining power solved by economic growth early in the hands of poor the N.p. in the 1977 general and unproductive people? there are indefensible forms we will need to change the elections, and possibly the on a Parliamentary level - alone. The Government's of it, but Ialso believe it is hearts and minds of whites, same percentage in the 1981 and blacks for what it is Consider the gap between constitutional reforms are possible to give apartheid a and this will take a long general elections. Since the worth on a eonfederal level Staté expenditure on whites much more significant than .more human face, and I time. For this we will need split in the N.P., English- - and if we wanted to and blacks. To close the is generally recognised. hope that is what is the help of the Afrikaans speaking support, we gap, Government spending Once they get off the happening now, churches, whose role will be believe, has increased. would .have to be at least ground and acquire their H the Government meets crucial. The N.P. for too long one-and-a-half tirnes the own momentum, they are the P_F.P's demands there was an Afrikaner clan, and GNP and this is just not going to be truly significant. will be an economic col- cont. on pg. 8. with-people like Treurnicht Story of the. Businessman possible. on its right wing who would blame the English-speaker MR. CHRIS HEUNIS, Minister of for not supporting the Consitutional Development, says that Government? But the whenever he met a certain important English- situation has changed speaking businessman, the man would say to . entirely. him: "Please teUthe Prime Minister I supperr him." Mr 'Chris*** Heunis Eventually, Mr Heunis replied: "No, I wiU (Minister of Constitutional not tell him until I am sure you have voted for Development) says that a National Party candidate." To which the whenever he met a certain businessman replied: "But I can't do that - important English-speaking .I am chairman of a P.F.P. branch." businessman, the man • 'This is not good enough, writes Prof. would say to him: "Please Terreblanche. If people support the Prime tell the Prime Minister I support him." Minister in his initiative they must also support Eventually, Mr Heunis him in his struggle against the right wing. replied: "No, I will not tell him until I am sure you have voted for a National . It was only during the spend adequately on Party candidate." To which First World War that education and on improving the businessman replied: Britain and the industria- their quality of life, whites "But I can't do that - I am lised countries got effective would not be able to chairman of a P.F.P. universal franchise. maintain their present branch." Once a country has an position of privilege and electoral democracy there is protection. SUPPORT IN inevitably a welfare state - . The way the English- HIS STRUGGLE health, education, welfare language press talks, one This is no good. 'If people spending, medical services. would imagine that if support the Prime Minister Thé crucial factor then is apartheid were to be lifted in his initiative they must whether it can afford this tomorrow, the economy also support him in his economic price. would jump like a jack out . struggle against the right of a box and there would be wing.