Clear Creek Open Space Commission January 11, 2001 Meeting Minutes The regular meeting of the Clear Creek Open Space Commission (CCOSC) was called to order by Frank Young at 7:10p.m. at Pete Helseth’s residence. Those present were: Pete Helseth, Sue Howell, Marion Anderson, Hal Wahlborg, Frank Young, Fran Enright, Marilyn Hogan, Sara Donahue, Absent members: Amy Karshbaum. No public was present. Speaker Beth Van Dusen from the Colorado Natural Heritage Program cancelled. Approval of Minutes Marion Anderson moved to accept the approval of minutes of the December 14, 2000 regular meeting. Hal Wahlborg seconded. Minutes passed unanimously. Commission Member Reports President Report- Frank Young spoke about meeting with the Clear Creek County Commissioners the last Tuesday of every month for ongoing communication between the two groups. Mr. Young also spoke about developing an open space plan to be modeled off the county Master Plan. Hal Wahlborg, Marilyn Hogan, and Amy Karshbaum will work on a framework for a plan with guidelines and criteria. Mr. Young and the commissioners had discussion about executive sessions for the Open Space Commission. The conversation centered on what can and can not be discussed in executive session. Land acquisition negotiations should be in executive session. Marion Anderson spoke about gaining space for the CCOSC files at the courthouse. The county was unable to offer any space at this time. Discussion followed about possible future sites. At this time Marion Anderson will keep the files. Frank Young will check out other possibilities. Bylaws Report There has not been a response from the county attorney Gayla Daniels in regards to the bylaws. CCOSC will submit the bylaws to the county commissioners as they are and inform them that CCOSC had not heard from the county attorney. County Plans Review/Subregional Planning Report Clear Creek County received a $50,000 grant from the Silver Heritage Commission to do some planning along Interstate 70 corridor. The subregional planning will continue with meetings with various groups. Gaming Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) Report Marion Anderson spoke about the US 6 alternatives for access to Central City and Black Hawk and that CCOSC should take endorse one. She will speak more about the issue later in the meeting. Policies Report No report. Transferable Development Rights Report The county commissioners are still working on transferable rights for M-1 and M-2 parcels. The commissioners took CCOSC input into account. Unfinished Business Fran Enright distributed an information sheet about topics the CCOSC has completed and items that are currently ongoing. The group discussed and gave an update on each item on the list. New membership discussion centered on potential new members, Marion Anderson will contact a potential new member from St. Mary's Glacier area. Sue Howell will contact a potential new member up Chicago Creek. Hal Wahlborg contacted two people in Georgetown and they were unable to commit to the commission. Marion Anderson made a motion for CCOSC to support a mass rapid transit alternative in cooperation with Jefferson County Open Space as an alternative for the Central City and Black Hawk corridor. Marilyn Hogan seconded the motion. Discussion followed about transportation modes along Clear Creek Canyon to Central City and Black Hawk. The motion is a statement of support for rapid transit. Motion passed 7-0. Frank Young led the Stollard property discussion. Maps of the survey were distributed. The property is located in the Waldorf area up Guanella Pass. An offer to sell was received by CCOSC for the amount of $12,000 with CCOSC paying for closing fees and title insurance. The size of the parcel is approximately 5 acres. Marilyn Hogan asked what are the main criteria being used to make the decision to purchase. Frank Young spoke about the criteria and the commission went item by item down the criteria list. This parcel fits the criteria. There is a discrepancy with of the survey number and the number on the seller's contract. Frank Young will put together the case file for the county commissioners. Marion Anderson made a motion to recommend to the Clear Creek County Commissioners the acquisition of the Enterprise Millsite 16368 or 16350B (depending on which number is correct) and to approve the contract with R.M. Stollard for the total cost of $12,000 and closing costs. Marilyn Hogan seconded. Discussion followed. Motion passed 7-0. Meeting dates were discussed and the conflict of getting the county courthouse on the second Thursday of the month. Historic Georgetown currently has the room for that evening. The discussion then turned to having a work session to get more business done prior to the regular meeting. It was discussed to have the meeting move to the second Wednesday at the courthouse. The work session will be the fourth Wednesday at 1:00 p.m. at Java Mountain Coffee in Idaho Springs. Frank Young will check on availability with the courthouse. New Business Marion Anderson presented an invoice for payment for $100 for Consider It Done Services for secretarial services. The commission approved the invoice. Motion was made by Fran Enright to go into Executive Session. Marilyn Hogan seconded the motion. Motion passed 7-0. Executive session began at 10:14 p.m. Executive session was adjourned at 10:24 p.m. Marion Anderson made a motion to adjourn the regular meeting. Hal Wahlborg seconded. Motion passed 7-0. Harold Wahlborg, Secretary Frank Young, Chairman Cathy A. Watson, Minute Taker CLEAR CREEK COUNTY OPEN SPACE COMMISSION January 30, 2001 7:00 P.M. - Clear Creek County Court House, Commissioners' Hearing Room Special Meeting Minutes I. Opening of meeting Call to Order 7:10 Roll Call Members present: Sara Donahue, Sue Howell, Fran Enright, Frank Young, Mall Sailor, Hal Wahlborg, Marilyn Hogan Absent: Amy Karshbaum, Marion Anderson, Pete Helseth Approval of Agenda: Three main topics for this meeting to be arrastra, Elmgreen properties, and county's master planning process. 2002 calendar year meeting schedule distributed II. Announcements Frank noted the article in the Courant and Courier about Snyder Mtn. property. He also mentioned several upcoming events and meetings: o Memo with dates for meetings on BLM lands, first of which is March 29. o DRCOG update memo on outstanding regional people. o DOT 2-day workshop designing streets for bicycles/pedestrians. Flyer is in folder o Referral notice: St. Mary's parcel. o Frei quarry hearing coming up Feb 20th Ill. Updates Report on Master Plan Steering Committee (MPSC) met 1/22. Mark Levin said at that meeting that little had been done since October. Main accomplishment at this meeting was that the MPSC composition and method of voting was formalized. Goal at this time is to describe the project coordinator job, which description is supposed to be in e-mail, however, not received at this time. Mark Levin says this needs to be a high-powered professional. The group took a rough stab at this description based on an outline from Bert. Those who attended felt this was a long, frustrating meeting, with little resolution. Discussion: There was extensive discussion about the combination of the Open Space, Tourism and Recreation segments for this plan, and the pros and cons of paid person vs. volunteer to accomplish the needs for these groups, and whether this should be one person for all three entities, or each have their own person. Funding for this person was also an issue. Tourism and Recreation have paid staff who could be detailed for this duty, but not Open Space. Fran strongly recommend this position be paid, hopefully out of the grant. Discussion ensued about the amount of support from county staff, the recreation district going forward with their plans, enabling legislation for Open Space and passive recreation on our lands. Marilyn could be interested in this position for Open Space. There was a suggestion about developing a staging process where we fund and then request reimbursement. Reference was made to past discussions about a paid position and a consultant in future, as well as management, facilities and operations. Hal distributed materials from San Miguel County: Management plans are developed as amendments to their master plan which will sharply decrease property values for high country properties. Action:Mark Cucinella is having a meeting at 9:00 (next day) at Idaho Springs City Hall which Sara will attend on behalf of Open Space. Points to bring up at that meeting: - Equal votes for Recreation, Tourism and Open Space on MPSC committee - Define amount of money involved and allocation Action: It was suggested to develop a letter to the MPSC (letter) indicating our perspective, In view of limited frames, we suggest hiring someone to scope the job, develop process, scheduling and cost analysis. Marilyn & Donna will compose letter to MPSC. Next MCSC meeting 2/7/02 (Thursday) at 6:00 at 80CC hearing room. Break 8:27 Resume 8:44 Report on Arrastra property on Mill Creek At our last appearance before BOCC, they want to wait 3 months and consider three issues: 1.Grazing situation - Cannady (BOCC will work on this) 2.Neighborhood meeting concerning uses for property, whether suitable for hard recreation and determine the feeling in the neighborhood. One party has requested a soccer field on the site. (Open Space will work on this) 3.Irrigation ditches across property; detail and identity rights for management (County Lands Dept will work on this portion) Discussion: Sara commented on grazing, noting that the property has been very much overgrazed and severely abused. She was concerned that this be addressed during this process. During the last several weeks Lisa Leben, Frank Young, Holland and Laura (from County Lands Dept and Donna Moody (as a citizen) walked the property - including the arrastra and the quarry on the east side of Mill Creek road.