UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 1 WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 ____ PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES ____ The Council met at 10:00. The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation. The Chairperson announced that the virtual sitting constituted a Sitting of the National Council of Provinces. NOTICES OF MOTION Mr W A S AUCAMP: Hon Chairperson, I hereby move on behalf of the DA that this House notes with concern the alleged failure ... Sorry, are we busy with notices of motion or motions without notice? The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Notices of motion. UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 2 Mr W A S AUCAMP: Sorry, hon Chairperson. Mine is a motion without notice. I will wait for the next round then. Sorry. Ms M O MOKAUSE: Chairperson of the Council, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move on behalf of the EFF: That the Council- (1) notes the rising number of COVID-19 cases particularly at school level; and (2) resolves the issues of the closing of schools and of increasing COVID-19 vaccines. Mr M DANGOR: Chairperson, I have raised my hand but I see it may not be working. The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Okay. Mr M DANGOR: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day I shall move on behalf of the ANC: That the Council- UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 3 (1) notes the continued air strikes carried out by the apartheid Israeli government on the people of Palestine in Gaza; (2) further notes that these attacks are carried out in keeping with the apartheid agenda of usurping Palestinian land and denying the Palestinian people their basic human rights; and (3) appreciates that the continued attacks on the Palestinian people all round has caused havoc in the lives of many innocent Palestinians particularly women and children. Ms M BARTLETT: Chair, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move on behalf of the ANC: That the Council- (1) notes and debates the irregular expenditure of municipalities, which is standing at a staggering R26 billion for the 2019-20 financial year; UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 4 (2) further notes that irregular expenditure was incurred in 246 of the 278 municipalities across South Africa; and (3) acknowledges that irregular expenditure remains a key indicator of the dire and grim state of municipal financial health in South Africa. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Thank you, hon Bartlett. Mr T S C DODOVU: Dodovu, hon Chair ... The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: I’m not sure whether ... is it still notices of motion ... [Inaudible.] Mr T S C DODOVU: I am raising my hand, Chair. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Notices of motion. Please note that if you want to move a motion without notice, you must wait. However, if you want to move a notice of motion ... yes, you can go ahead. Mr T S C DODOVU: Yes. It’s Dodovu, Chair. UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 5 The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: This is because sometimes you confuse the two motions and that leads to problems and delays progress in the House. Hon Dodovu? Mr T S C DODOVU: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move: That the Council- (1) debates the politicisation of municipalities in South Africa; and (2) notes that many municipalities across the country have been plunged into administrative crisis owing to the politicisation of municipal administrations and that many of the municipalities have been left in the management of unqualified and unskilled administrative officials who remain in office because of political patronage. Mr K MOTSAMAI: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move on behalf of the EFF: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 6 That the Council- (1) notes that at the Ekurhuleni School for the Deaf in Gauteng disabled children are being mistreated; and (2) further notes that a motion must be moved by Parliament to intervene at the Ekurhuleni School for the Deaf as two children are sleeping on a single bed. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Thank you very much, hon Motsamai. Hon Mandla Rayi? Mr M I RAYI: Chairperson, I’m on the waiting list for motions without notice. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon Landsman? Mr E R LANDSMAN: Thank you, Chair. Is it Mandla or me? The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: It’s you; Landsman. Mr E R LANDSMAN: Chair, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move: UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 7 That the Council- (1) notes the high rate of unemployment in South Africa amongst the youth; (2) further notes that according to the Quarterly Labour Force Survey, youth unemployment, in terms of the expanded definition, is trending at a staggering 74,7%, which means that only one in four school- leavers under the age of 24 has a job in South Africa; and (3) acknowledges that South Africa needs urgent and decisive interventions to address youth unemployment in order to address the country’s social ills, including the persistent high rate of generational poverty, especially among black youths and Africans in particular. Mr I NTSUBE: Hon Chairperson of the Council, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move: That the Council- UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 8 (1) notes and debates International Youth Day, which is a day designated by the United Nations to be celebrated every year on 12 August in recognition of the resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly on the recommendations of the World Conference of Ministers Responsible for Youth which was held in Lisbon from 8 August to 12 August 1998; (2) further notes that International Youth Day, which is commemorated every year on 12 August, is intended to raise awareness of the World Programme of Action for Youth that was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1995; and (3) acknowledges that despite numerous commitments and interventions to address the challenges facing young people around the globe, many of them are still facing a bleak future of poverty, unemployment, lack of educational opportunities, economic exclusion, substance abuse, crime and violence. Mr S ZANDAMELA: Chairperson, I rise on behalf of the EFF that the House ... [Inaudible.] UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 9 The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: You are not audible, hon Zandamela. Try again and just position yourself properly and take it easy. Mr S ZANDAMELA: Can you hear me now, Chair? The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Ja. Mr S ZANDAMELA: Thanks, Chairperson. I rise on behalf of the EFF that the House on the next sitting day ... [Inaudible.] The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: There’s still a bit of a problem. There’s still a bit of a problem. Try again. Just position yourself properly and try to speak a bit more slowly. Mr S ZANDAMELA: Thank you, Chair. Can you hear me now? The CHIEF WHIP OF THE NCOP: Ja. Mr S ZANDAMELA: Thanks, Chairperson. I rise on behalf of the EFF that on the next sitting day: That the House debates the state of water and sanitation in municipalities ... [Inaudible.] UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 10 The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: We will now move to motions without notice. Are there any motions without notice? Let’s start with Kenny Motsamai. [Interjections.] Kenny Motsamai first. Mr M K MMOEIMANG: No, Chair. We are raising hands here on the screen. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Okay. I have the screen in front of me. The first name is Motsamai? I want to know if it’s an old hand. Mr M K MMOEIMANG: He never lowered his hand. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Sorry? Mr M K MMOEIMANG: I think he never lowered his hand. It is an old hand. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Okay. Can I ask the Table to please lower hands that were raised earlier and that are of no relevance now? Hon Rayi? UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 11 EASTERN CAPE PROVINCIAL DEPARTMENT COMMENDED FOR DISMISSING SCHOOL PRINCIPAL LUBEKO MGANDELA IN DEFENCE OF LEANER’S HUMAN RIGHTS (Draft Resolution) Mr M I RAYI: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice on behalf of the ANC: That the Council- (1) notes that the Eastern Cape school principal who was arrested for allegedly forcing a learner to retrieve his mobile phone from a pit toilet has been fired; (2) further notes that the provincial education department has confirmed that Luthuthu Junior Secondary Principal, Lubeko Mgandela, has been sacked following a disciplinary hearing; (3) also notes that the dismissal comes three months after he was placed on suspension to allow the department to investigate the incident; and UNREVISED HANSARD NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES WEDNESDAY, 23 JUNE 2021 Page: 12 (4) commends the provincial department for its swift and effective action in defence of the human rights of the learner and hope this will act as a deterrent to all educators in our schools.