University Of Throw Pudding South Florida For United Appeal Campus Edition 1ampa Story, Page 15 SEVENTY-SECOND YEAR-No. 225 TAMPA, FLORIDA, MONDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1964 PRICE FfVE CENTS Wagner, Helvey Clash in Science-Humanities Debate By CLELLA HOLT There is a National Science study in the history of man. the moon - and who cares? I may use more money, but the norant, if he does not know the Of the Campus Staff Foundation, why not a National 3. Better equi~ment and fa- can look at a Rembrandt my- h u manit i e s (or connected advantages of being first on the USF professors Gerard Wag- Humanities Foundation? The cilities in the schools. self! studies) takes three-fourths of moon. Telslar alone will bring ner and T. C. Helvey last week humanities are necessary to de­ 4. Better relationships between HELVEY: I am supposed to the student's time. a revenue of two billion in 1966. staged a heated debate on the velop the critical sense needed the colleges and schools. be the antagonist, I suppose, but College professors find them- I enjoy a Rembrandt as mucb Role of the Sciences and the Hu- to understand ourselves and to I do not believe we are at I a~ re~lly on your side. But selves teaching l3th grade in- as you, but how _much money d~ manities in the Public School preserve the best in our culture. war, and don't believe we need the time IS not now. stead of college freshmen in you ~eed for pamt and canvas . Program. Even in the interest of science competition among nations. The We scientists do not feel sci- ~ science. We haven't time for Let 5 end the, war ftrst, maybe The program was part of the itself, the other aspects of soci­ people themselves are willing ence and humanities must be this! We are in a war now. Only drop a couple of nuclear bo~bs. regular Student Florida Educa- ety need be studied. There is to l;>e friends. The conflict is balanced in education. The well-, the most naive people call it and then. on to the humamties. tion Association meeting. no national program for the per- between pressure groups, and being of our country comes first. " competition." . Followmg arguments of both c m ·c 11 b d . I sides and rebuttals questions WAGNER: There is really no fo~ming arts. We ask these e ono 1 a _Y ase . thThe Russ_tans have JUSt put t I deny there is no antagonism were heard from the 'noor. Wag- conflict except in the relative thJDgs: 0 ur opm10ns on war are tr· ree men m a space sh1p. We award the Chinese and Rus- ner s gge t d t H 1 "Y reconcilable, so we. will drop do not know how to do this ! sians. What good are our sol· go onu a ds e so e vey,, ou space allotted and the amount 1. Better qualifications in the th' d' 'f th n an wer; you re on WAGNER of money provided by the na- humanities for high school teach­ IS. ~et's s a v e the . humani~ies lers 1 ey 1ov e t he enemy? my side!" Helvey obliged, and HELVEY • • . No Conflict tiona! .government for the pro- ers . But thmk of the money we untJl later. We need more tlme I I accuse my opponent of being was still answering when time .. Drop Bombs grams. 2. Improvement in courses of are spending to put a man on in the high school program. We anti-progressive, and even ig- ran out. Graduate Program 1 Soccer Club To Meet Help Stepped Up Miami-Dade Saturday ) Spotts Go Who Decides? Nationals Off USF Ca~pus Debate The USF Soccer Club meets its first off-campus competition Saturday when Subiect the squad tangles with Mi­ ami-Dade Junior Colle~e on the USF intramural fields. More Pages, c ·olor USF's yearbook, the Aegean. scheduled for publication next GRE Given spring, will expand to nearly 200 pages and feature greater use of color . On Nov. 4~ 5 Sam Nuccio, newly - named The Graduate Record Exam Ae gean editor, points out that the ol'iginal plan of publishing will be administered at USF a book each trimester now ap­ on Nov. 4 and 5. The exam is pears to be impossible, so the required for graduation and by book will become a true "'an­ some graduate schools for ac­ nual." ceptance. All students interested Price of the Aegean will be in continuing studies should sli~htly more than $1 , Nuccio Foerster Nuccio FLYING TRAPEZE? No, it's Tom Eure check the entrance regulations sa1d. soaring over the stage in "The Tempest"- with of schools they are interested Aegean Managing Editor 1s is Layout Editor. Dr. A. T. the aid of a special flying rig. in attending. Michael Foerster. Larry Hevia 1 lContinued on Pare 15. Col. 3> .. I THE TAMPA TIMES, Monday, Oc~ber 26, 1964 ~®'ffl1i'i'ili~~.qmen~~~mii·~~~llW!WiiW®W.mrt:!I!!)Eiilfifl~f !lillll•mBtm•IJRIIImrrgm:mm-~ill!iiR~11lM"l\.'l~~·~~.;;~;;li£ll!mallell!*il•li•llll•lllll•~m¥«11~rn. m,..,i!!.. &i*~·W;§;~:§!m''""~tmoom~!f- ... :1!·.mz~:<Wfli :: ~-1"~~zm~=tE~><?[l;i~:?!ill::r:m,, ~1 ill ____ campus ~i ~g How Should Higher Education Be Governed? Edition ~ .tr r~ By JOHN W. EGERTON that board-decisions involving money, ommended some other changes that are. continuing interest along these lines. The ~* Editor, USF Information Services buildings and key personnel - have his- not included in the law which would im- subcommittee has recently held extended discussions of proposals calling for a w~·.•;. :!'i torically been subject to review by the plement the amendment. "'~ Editorial Page ,;_:~_.,;·_;, In the din of oratory echo1'ng around State Board of Education, which is, in chancellor system in the universities, k_,,~_!i_·. Florida's gubernatorial race this year, effect, a five-man committee of the State THEY p R 0 p 0 S D E that the new more authority for the university presi- (" v the most important question affecting Cabinet, with the governor as chairman. Board of Regents have wider discretion dents, and a more exclusively policy- W public higher education has not been an- In the past 10 years, two major studies and authority in the governing of the making role for the governing board. i~ swered. In fact, it has not even been of Florida's higher education system - university system. In a word, they said . ll!..~:~,·, as~:e a::::ti:n~~is~~:; How s h u d b<lth conducted by recognized experts the Regents should be autonomous, be- ALL OF T~ESE proposals - th; Orientation, a Success 0 1 0 1 '" Florida's public higher education system ~':,~g:t i~f ~tste syste~~e recommended i~:n s~~~Y ~~~~ :: :ti~~r !~~C:U/o;~:; th°neti~so~~Cs b~e~elgci~~~dsi~th~r~toe :;h~eN~:g~ns: ~~· '.···.',· ...... be governed? 1 1a ve ounc1 , an e uc Y ones 1 - It doesn't take an experienced • More counselor training was W · THE BRUMBAUGH Report of 1955 approval of the governor and the State volving the Cabinet, Board of Education ~-·".:.; psychologist to u n de r stand the needed. ''~-~:~:·_.~-~; THE ANSWER involves a host of com- and the McDonald Report of 1963 both Cabinet. , and the Budget Commission - are part ~ simple principle of timely recog­ • Selection of co u n s e 1or s .; plicated matters - the makeup of the gave heavy emphasis to the need for Under_ this plan, the Cabm~t s Board and parcel of the big question: How I nition and its positive effects. should be~in at least six or seven f.i' governing board, the involvement of the structural c)langes in the management of Education, its Budget Commission and should Florida's higher education system . · months pnor to t:ne orientation. ~1! governor and the State Cabinet, the at- of university matters. Basically, the rec- other committees now involved in overall be governed? . We all get bombarded with criti­ policy would relinquish their The answer, up until Drs. Brumbaugh ~' !roblem-dis­ ~~ titud 0 f th L · 1 t d th ommendations in these two reports called university cism and pressure from so many • Intermediate ~~ e e egis a ure, an ° ers. for: c_ ontrols to the Regents, and the Regents and McDonald reported in, was simple. l4 cussing sessions shoul be held dur­ And, with a new governor taking of- tu ld be ~ sources, a deserved pat on the back · ·· 1y Enlargement of the Board of Control 10 rn wou expected to administer But s u b t I e and almost imperceptible ~.·~>~' is rare and mighty welcome. ing the course of the orientation. "-c_;_ fice in January, a new • appropr1'ati f th L · 1 t 1 d ,., These are self-incurred criti­ formed Board of Regents to nine or more members (and a ch·ange ons o e eg1s a ure n e- changes have been taking place in the ~-- We have a few kudos to toss; cisms. To their credit, the members IM likely to be installed at of name to Board of Regents>: ~endent of the Cabinet. Such administra- past few years, and a new answer to the~[t,.. they are well deserved. ~ the same time, and a Leg- Lengthening of terms for members to tion_ would, of course, be subject to post- question is emerging. As new faces ap· of the orientation team success­ Legislature, on the Board of This year, for the first time, a fully conducted this past Septem­ fi islature preoccupied with nine years; audit.