立法會 Legislative Council Ref : CB2/HS/2/09 LC Paper No. CB(2)2311/09-10 (These minutes have been seen by the Administration) Subcommittee on Package of Proposals for the Methods for Selecting the Chief Executive and for Forming the Legislative Council in 2012 Minutes of the fifth meeting held on Saturday, 22 May 2010 from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm and 2:30 pm to 5:30 pm in the Chamber of the Legislative Council Building Members : Hon TAM Yiu-chung, GBS, JP (Chairman) present Hon Jeffrey LAM Kin-fung, SBS, JP (Deputy Chairman) Hon Albert HO Chun-yan Ir Dr Hon Raymond HO Chung-tai, SBS, S.B.St.J., JP Dr Hon Margaret NG Hon CHEUNG Man-kwong Hon Mrs Sophie LEUNG LAU Yau-fun, GBS, JP Dr Hon Philip WONG Yu-hong, GBS Hon WONG Yung-kan, SBS, JP Hon LAU Kong-wah, JP Hon Miriam LAU Kin-yee, GBS, JP Hon Abraham SHEK Lai-him, SBS, JP Hon Audrey EU Yuet-mee, SC, JP Hon WONG Kwok-hing, MH Hon LEE Wing-tat Hon Andrew LEUNG Kwan-yuen, SBS, JP Hon CHEUNG Hok-ming, GBS, JP Hon WONG Ting-kwong, BBS, JP Prof Hon Patrick LAU Sau-shing, SBS, JP Hon Cyd HO Sau-lan Dr Hon Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun Hon IP Wai-ming, MH Hon IP Kwok-him, GBS, JP Hon Mrs Regina IP LAU Suk-yee, GBS, JP Dr Hon PAN Pey-chyou Hon Paul TSE Wai-chun Hon Alan LEONG Kah-kit, SC Hon Tanya CHAN - 2 - Members : Hon Emily LAU Wai-hing, JP absent Hon Timothy FOK Tsun-ting, GBS, JP Hon Ronny TONG Ka-wah, SC Dr Hon LAM Tai-fai, BBS, JP Hon WONG Kwok-kin, BBS Hon LEUNG Kwok-hung Public Officers : Mr Stephen LAM Sui-lung attending Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Mr Joshua LAW Chi-kong } for sessions Permanent Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland } One to Three Affairs } Ms Adeline WONG Ching-man } for sessions Under Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland } Four to Six Affairs } Ms Joyce HO Kwok-shan } for sessions Principal Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and } One to Three Mainland Affairs } Mr Curtis LO Kam-fat } Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland } for sessions Four to Six Affairs } Attendance by : Session One invitation Mr Stanley LUI Mr Tomas YUEN Mr CHAN Chung-yau Snake Banquet Association Mr CHIN Wai-lok Chairman Mr LAW Kam-hung 媚共政客監察組 Mr Eric TSUI Chairman Mr WONG Tung-hiu - 3 - Kowloon Chamber of Commerce Mr LAU Chi-wai, Bernard Chairman Dynamic Island Mr WU Pat-lun, Felix Spokesperson Mr CHOW Yiu-ming 青年通識研究組 Miss YIM Man-wa Hong Kong Federation of Overseas Chinese Associations Mr KO Fung, Frank Member Nineteen Action Mr KEUNG Ling-cheung Fortresshill Research Institute Mr AU Nok-hin Research Officer Session Two 歷史青年聯盟 Mr LO Kin-hei Chairperson Miss LI Shee-lin Mr OR Man-shan 公共專業聯盟 Mr Ringo LI Democracy Depot Miss Vera YUEN Hong Kong Democratic Foundation Mr George Cautherley Community TV Mr Kelvin SIT Community Development Initiative Mr Alan WONG - 4 - The Student Union of the Chinese University of Hong Kong Mr LAI Yan-ho President IT Voice Mr LEUNG Siu-cheong Mr FONG Yin-bun Abolish Functional Constituencies Mr Michael MO Tai Kok Tsui District Resident Livelihood Mr CHAN Chung-kit Chairman Mr LAN Tung-leung Hong Kong New Territories Commercial and Industrial General Association Limited Mr WONG Chun-fai Mr PANG Chun-sing, George Mr HO Siu-ping Session Three Mr KWOK Tak-leung Mr LAU Wai-lun Mr LEE Kwok-chu Mr HOU Chun-kau Mr CHAN Kwok-wai Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium Mr CHEUNG Siu-keung Chairman Mr WONG Kwan-tat Mr CHIK Chun-wah Mr YU Yuet-charm - 5 - Kowloon City District Resident Association Mr PUN Kwok-wah Greenradio Mr CHUN Hei-fai Session Four 女人有明天協會 Ms Mandy TAM 愛國愛港聯合陣線 Mr SO Siu-hong 回歸基督精神 Mr LAM Tsz-kin The Hong Kong Executive, Administrative and Clerical Staff Association Dr WONG Kam-din Vice-Chairman Mr CHAN Ho-ming Mr CHAN Tsz-yeung Democratic Progressive Union of Chinese Social Democrats Mr WONG Ho-ming Standing Committee Member Mr YUEN Mo Mr Edmon CHUNG 社會民主聯誼會 Mr Roger LEE Session Five Mr CHAN Sze-chung Mid-level Community Development Association Mr CHEUNG Pak-fun Chairman Mr TONG Yeuk-fung - 6 - The Association of Chinese Culture of Hong Kong Miss Sylvia LAM Chief Executive 勁松聯誼會 Mr TANG Shek-ching Chairman Mr FOK Ting-hung 屯動力 Mr CHAN Kwok-leung Mr LAU Tik-hong Mr YUEN Hon-wah Institute of Chinese Cultural Dance Ms CHAN Po-chu, Pearl Ms MA Suk-yin Mr SY Hon-keong Mr KU Sai-lik 九龍東區各界聯會 Mr WONG Siu-yee Session Six Mr CHAN Tak-cheong Mr LAU King-for Civil Human Rights Front Ms WEI Siu-lik Women Coalition of HKSAR Ms Wai Wai Ms CHAN Shu-ying Member of Tuen Mun District Council Caring Hong Kong Mr LEE Ka-ho Ms LUI Lin-sang - 7 - Sycamore District Concerning Association of Kowloon West Mr MAK Fuk-chi Chairman Mr CHAN Ka-wai Federation of Hong Kong Gongdong Community Organizations Mr WONG Kwok-keung Chairman Hong Kong Life Saving Society Mr CHAN Wai-lun, Anthony Chairman Federation of Hong Kong Industries Mr Stanley LAU Deputy Chairman Power for Democracy Mr Richard TSOI Convenor Clerk in : Miss Flora TAI attendance Chief Council Secretary (2)3 Staff in : Mr Arthur CHEUNG attendance Senior Assistant Legal Adviser 2 Mrs Eleanor CHOW Senior Council Secretary (2)4 Mrs Fonny TSANG Legislative Assistant (2)3 Miss Lulu YEUNG Clerical Assistant (2)3 Action I. Meeting with deputations and the Administration [LC Paper Nos. CB(2)1588/09-10(01) to (30), CB(2)1598/09-10(01) to (11) and CB(2)1701/09-10(01) to (09)] 2. The Subcommittee received views from a total of 79 individuals and organizations (index of proceedings attached at Annex). - 8 - Action 2. The Chairman informed members that the Subcommittee would continue to receive views from the public at its next meeting to be held on 25 May 2010 from 2:30 pm to 7:30 pm. 3. The meeting ended at 5:45 pm. Council Business Division 2 Legislative Council Secretariat 28 September 2010 Annex Proceedings of the fifth meeting of the Subcommittee on Package of Proposals for the Methods for Selecting the Chief Executive and for Forming the Legislative Council in 2012 on Saturday, 22 May 2010 from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm and 2:30 pm to 5:30 pm in the Chamber of the Legislative Council Building Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required Session One (9:00 am - 10:15 am) 000333 - 000734 Chairman Opening remarks Meeting with deputations to receive views on the package of proposals for the methods for selecting the Chief Executive ("CE") and for forming the Legislative Council ("LegCo') in 2012 ("the proposed package") 000735 - 001014 Mr Stanley LUI Presentation of views [LC Paper No. CB(2)1588/09-10(01)] 001015 - 001227 Mr Tomas YUEN Presentation of views [LC Paper No. CB(2)1588/09-10(02)] 001228 - 001510 Mr CHAN Chung-yau Presentation of views 001511 - 001754 Snake Banquet Association Presentation of views 001755 - 002107 Mr LAW Kam-hung Presentation of views [LC Paper No. CB(2)1701/09-10(01)] 002108 - 002429 媚共政客監察組 Presentation of views 002430 - 002659 Mr WONG Tung-hiu Presentation of views [LC Paper No. CB(2)1598/09-10(01)] 002700 - 002737 Kowloon Chamber of Presentation of views Commerce 002738 - 003101 Dynamic Island Presentation of views 003102 - 003251 Mr CHOW Yiu-ming Presentation of views [LC Paper No. CB(2)1598/09-10(02)] 003252 - 003559 青年通識研究組 Presentation of views 003600 - 003911 Hong Kong Federation of Presentation of views Overseas Chinese [LC Paper No. CB(2)1588/09-10(03)] Associations 003912 - 004230 Nineteen Action Presentation of views 004231 - 004536 Fortresshill Research Institute Presentation of views [LC Paper No. CB(2)1598/09-10(03)] - 2 - Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 004537 - 004554 Chairman Speaking order of members 004555 - 005100 Chairman Discussion on whether the Administration should provide Dr Margaret NG a roadmap on universal suffrage and undertake to abolish Mr LAW Kam-hung functional constituencies ("FCs") when universal suffrage was implemented and how LegCo FC Members would be agreeable to an ultimate abolition of FCs 005101 - 005619 Chairman Discussion on reasons for supporting the proposed Mr LEE Wing-tat package in which the FC system would be retained Kowloon Chamber of Commerce 青年通識研究組 005620 - 010131 Chairman Discussion on the compromise between the Administration Ms Cyd HO and Members on the political reform of Hong Kong, and Mr Tomas YUEN whether the compromise should be made at the expense of Mr Stanley LUI democratic development 010132 - 010653 Chairman Discussion on young people's views on the proposed Miss Tanya CHAN package, in particular the retention of FCs 媚共政客監察組 Nineteen Action Fortresshill Research Institute Dynamic Island 010654 - 011014 Chairman Discussion on how to secure a two-thirds majority of Dr Margaret NG LegCo Members to support the abolition of FCs, and the Snake Banquet Association role of people in this regard 青年通識研究組 011015 - 011734 Chairman Administration's responses to the deputations' views Administration 011735 - 011955 Chairman Removal of Mr CHAN Chung-yau, Mr CHIN Wai-lok and Mr KEUNG Ling-cheung from the meeting Session Two (10:15 am - 11:30 am) 011956 - 012208 Chairman Opening remarks 012209 - 012432 Miss LI Shee-lin Presentation of views 012433 - 012545 Mr OR Man-shan Presentation of views 012546 - 012855 公共專業聯盟 Presentation of views 012856 - 013206 Democracy Depot Presentation of views 013207 - 013512 Hong Kong Democratic Presentation of views Foundation [LC Paper No.