ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 N____ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 N4553 2014-09-16 ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 Universal Coded Character Set (UCS) - ISO/IEC 10646 Secretariat: ANSI DOC TYPE: Meeting minutes TITLE: Unconfirmed minutes of WG 2 meeting 62 Adobe, San Jose, CA, USA; 2014-02-24/28 SOURCE: V.S. Umamaheswaran ([email protected]), Recording Secretary Mike Ksar ([email protected]), Convener PROJECT: JTC 1.02.18 – ISO/IEC 10646 STATUS: SC 2/WG 2 participants are requested to review the attached unconfirmed minutes, act on appropriate noted action items, and to send any comments or corrections to the convener as soon as possible but no later than the due date below. ACTION ID: ACT DUE DATE: 2014-09-22 DISTRIBUTION: SC 2/WG 2 members and Liaison organizations MEDIUM: Acrobat PDF file NO. OF PAGES: 48 (including cover sheet) 2014-09-16 Adobe, San Jose, CA, USA; 2014-02-24/28 Page 1 of 48 JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2/N4553 Unconfirmed minutes of meeting 62 ISO International Organization for Standardization Organisation Internationale de Normalisation ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 Universal Coded Character Set (UCS) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 N____ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 N4553 2014-09-16 Title: Unconfirmed minutes of WG 2 meeting 62 Adobe, San Jose, CA, USA; 2014-02-24/28 Source: V.S. Umamaheswaran ([email protected]), Recording Secretary Mike Ksar ([email protected]), Convener Action: WG 2 members and Liaison organizations Distribution: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2 members and liaison organizations 1 Opening and roll call Input document: 4505 2nd call for meeting 62 - Preliminary Agenda; Mike Ksar; 2014-02-14 The meeting was convened at 10:30h. Mr. Mike Ksar: Welcome to meeting 62 here in San Jose. We have some new experts attending the meeting. If you have any documents to put on the agenda you need to give it to me either on a flash card or send me via email. I will assign a document number for you and we will see how we can fit it into the agenda. A hard copy of the agenda is being circulated. We do not distribute hard copies. If you need to get something printed please contact our host Dr. Ken Lunde for assistance. We have Ms. Lisa Moore, who will say a few words, on behalf of our host, the Unicode Consortium. Ms. Lisa Moore: I do want to welcome everyone on behalf of the Unicode consortium. It will be a good meeting. I would like to say something about Mr. Mike Ksar. He has been the convener of WG2 for 24 years. Many of you have been working with hm. Over the years he has made tremendous contributions, helping to forge cooperation between ISO/IEC 10646 and the Unicode Standard. We would like to present him with his own convener's gavel. Please do sign the sheet of paper for the dinner tonight. A sign up sheet is being circulated. We would like to have a count today. Mr. Mike Ksar: Thank you. My grand children will be working with the gavel. We would like Dr. Ken Lunde to say a few words about the logistics. Dr. Ken Lunde: For refreshments, there are snacks, coffee etc. in the room right across. In the afternoon we will have some refreshments brought in. For lunch we should break before 11:30h or after 12:30h to avoid the rush in the cafeteria. There is another room next door for ad hoc meetings. Each of you should have information about access to wireless - you have been sent the information. You will need to pick up a badge each day. Mr. Mike Ksar: The latest agenda is on display. It has been updated with all the documents I have received so far. 1.1 Roll Call Input document: 4401 Experts List – post Chiang Mai meeting 60; Ksar/Uma; 2013-04-24 Mr. Mike Ksar: Dr. Umamaheswaran has prepared the experts list for you to verify and correct if needed. It is being circulated for your review. Please provide your business card also so that we can have your name and location captured correctly. The following 30 attendees representing 7 national bodies, 4 liaison organizations, and 2 invited experts, were present or participated via telephone at different times during the meeting. Name Representing Affiliation Mike KSAR .Convener, USA Independent Taichi KAWABATA .Expert - Japan NTT (Siddham ad hoc) Andrew GLASS .Expert - USA Microsoft Corporation 2014-09-16 Adobe, San Jose, CA, USA; 2014-02-24/28 Page 2 of 48 JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2/N4553 Unconfirmed minutes of meeting 62 Name Representing Affiliation (Siddham ad hoc) LUQin .IRGRapporteur HongKongPolytechnicUniversity Bureau of Standards, Metrology and Inspection, Kuang-Shun (Rick) LIN .TCA – Liaison Ministry of Economic Affairs Lin-Mei(Selena)WEI .TCA–Liaison ChineseFoundationforDigitizationTechnology Bureau of Standards, Metrology and Inspection, Suh-Chyin CHUANG .TCA – Liaison Ministry of Economic Affairs Canada; Editor Alain LABONTÉ 14651; SC35 - Liaison Independent (acting) Canada; Recording V. S. (Uma) UMAMAHESWARAN IBM Canada Limited Secretary CHENZhuang China ChineseElectronicsStandardizationInstitute PENG Haitao China China Publishing Group Digital Media Corporation WENYingming China ChinaPublishingGroupDigitalMediaCorporation Wushour SILAMU China Xinjiang University Tero AALTO Finland CSC-IT Center for Science Ireland; Contributing Michael EVERSON Evertype Editor Kiyonori NAGASAKI Japan International Institute for Digital Humanities, Tokyo Satoshi YAMAMOTO Japan Hitachi Ltd. Toshiya SUZUKI Japan Hiroshima University Eldar ABDRASHITOV Russian Federation The Central Bank of Russian Federation YuryTIMOFEEV RussianFederation TheCentralBankofRussianFederation Anshuman PANDEY SEI, UC Berkeley; University of Michigan Liaison Craig CUMMINGS USA Informatica Ken LUNDE USA Adobe Lisa MOORE USA IBM Corporation Roozbeh POURNADER USA Google Steven LOOMIS USA IBM Corporation USA; Contributing Ken WHISTLER SAP America, Inc. Editor Michel SUIGNARD USA; Project Editor Unicode Consortium USA; SEI, UC Department of Linguistics, University of California, Deborah ANDERSON Berkeley – Liaison Berkeley USA; Unicode Peter CONSTABLE Microsoft Corporation Consortium – Liaison Drafting committee: Messrs. Mike Ksar, Michel Suignard, Satoshi Yamamoto and Dr. Deborah Anderson volunteered to assist Dr. Umamaheswaran with the preparation and review of the draft meeting resolutions. Mr. Mike Ksar: We have some experts from Russia for the first time to WG2. It is good to see you here - welcome to WG2. Now, some items about our logistics. Monday through Thursday are for technical discussions, including disposition of ballot comments. By Thursday noon, there would be OWG-SORT for about an hour and half. The drafting committee would meet and work on draft resolutions. The drafting committee meets Friday morning before the WG2 meeting. WG2 will meet to adopt the resolutions, starting around 10:00h. The adoption takes about an hour. All documents will be posted soon after the meeting to the WG2 site. We will meet starting at 09:00h for the rest of the week. We usually adjourn around 18:00h. Some ad hoc meetings may happen after the meeting. Dr. Ken Lunde will advise us after checking with security as to how long we can stay in the evenings. We will skip the items that are marked as FYI on the agenda - you can read the relevant documents. 2 Approvalof the agenda Input document: 4505 2nd call for meeting 62 - Preliminary Agenda; Mike Ksar; 2014-02-14 N4505-AAgenda 2014-09-16 Adobe, San Jose, CA, USA; 2014-02-24/28 Page 3 of 48 JTC 1/SC 2/WG 2/N4553 Unconfirmed minutes of meeting 62 Mr. Mike Ksar reviewed the agenda. The following changes are noted: New document N4557 from Mr. Suzuki Toshiya added as item 9.1.1.5 Added document N4487 under item 10.3.5 on Cherokee Added document N4558 (IRG N1973) on Extension C - change for source and glyph under IRG items. We will discuss the items under 'Carried forward items' later. Mr. Mike Ksar: We will have Siddham ad hoc this (Monday) afternoon - lead will be Dr. Deborah Anderson. The output would have influence on the disposition of comments. Nüshu ad hoc will be on Tuesday during a working lunch - lead will be Mr. Taro Aalto. Hopefully we will finish by noon on Friday. As the meeting progresses, we may be jumping around in the agenda - not necessarily sequentially. Disposition: The agenda is approved as amended. It was also updated and posted to the WG 2 website as new topics or contributions were identified as the meeting progressed. (Note: the item numbers in these minutes do not always align with the agenda item numbers in document N4505-A. All the changes made during the meeting are included in the appropriate sections in these minutes. Some agenda items have been regrouped, reorganized or renumbered. Agenda items that did not have any discussion are dropped from these minutes, and any relevant documents that were not discussed are grouped to be carried forward. The following table of contents reflects the items that were discussed.) Item Number Title Page 1 Openingandrollcall 2 1.1 Roll Call 2 2 Approval of the agenda 3 3 Approval of minutes of meeting 61 5 4 Reviewactionitemsfrompreviousmeetings 6 4.1 Outstandingactionitemsfrommeeting52,Redmond,WA,USA,2008-04-21/25 6 4.2 Outstanding action items from meeting 57, Busan, Korea (Republic of), 2010-10-04/10 6 4.3 Outstandingactionitemsfrommeeting58,Helsinki,Finland,2011-06-06/10 6 4.4 Outstanding action items from meeting 59, Mountain View, CA, USA, 2012-02-13/17 7 4.5 Outstandingactionitemsfrommeeting60,ChiangMai,Thailand,2012-10-22/27 7 4.6 Outstandingactionitemsfrommeeting61,Vilnius,Lithuania,2013-06-10/14 7 5 JTC1andITTFmatters 12 6 SC2 matters 12 6.1 Summary of Voting DIS – 4th edition 12 6.2 ProposedDispositionofComments 12 6.2.1 Ireland:Negative 13 6.2.2 Japan:Positivewithcomments