8 May 2008, 3:04 am sariel2004 The novel Doctor’s background Time Lord I started a thread about contradictions between the TV series and the novels and it touched on Gallifrey and the Doctors origins. I didn't want to stray too far from the point over there but I did want to see what people thought of how I understand his origin to be… Joined April 24, 2004 Ancient Gallifreyans were immortal and highly telepathic; they Last On: Today 1:10 lived in a Hellenistic society ruled by the line of Pythias. As the first am time travel experiments were conducted, the Pythia was overthrown by Rassilon and he began to reform Gallifreyan society, aided by Posts Here: 136 Omega and the Other. Rassilon engineered the accident that trapped Omega in a singularity as they used the Hand of Omega to unleash the energy they needed to become lords of time and the time energies altered the Gallifreyan present. When Rassilon became too dictatorial, the Other tried to leave and threw himself into the central loom, which was linked to the Houses of Gallifrey, to escape (having first sent off his adoptive granddaughter to try to escape the planet). At this time there were heavy riots and Rassilon may have been executing the other old Gallifreyans, leaving himself as ruler of the newly loomed (and slightly re-engineered) Gallifreyans, no longer as telepathic and with regenerations instead of true immortality. Some escaped, including Patience, Omega’s wife, who hid for aeons in the House of Lungbarrow. The Other’s biodata fed into the loom of the Noble House of Lungbarrow, but having been exposed to the intense time energies they jumped forward almost two million years before they expressed themselves and finally came out in the biodata of a lungbarrovian called Ulysses, who went on to be a great explorer of his age. Ulysses met a human time traveller, Penelope Gate, the two fell in love and he brought her home to Gallifrey, where they married (marriage and partnership being rare and with a lesser species in bad taste, but not actually wrong). The two had a son, the first born on Gallifrey since the curse, and he was brought up at his family home, where he was tutored by Patience (the High Council were largely unconcerned by this once the boy seemed normal and let it go). Patience recognised the Other’s spark in the Doctor and when he grew up they became lovers and eventually married. They had children as well and they took their place in Time Lord society. Unfortunately, Marnal, a rival of Ulysses, had realised who Patience was and even as Ulysses imprisoned him on Earth he revealed her origins to the high council. The council were horrified: they could take cavorting with lesser species but an ancient Gallifreyan terrified them. They stormed Lungbarrow and killed the Doctor’s children. Patience escaped (with the aid of the Hartnell Doctor) to a prototype time-ship and fled to the planet seen in Cold Fusion , where she lay in suspended animation for 2 million years (it was programmed to return to its time of origin, though at different physical coordinates). The Doctor (pre-Hartnell ) was captured by the Time Lords, who were unsure what to do. He was a respected member of the Council and though he had consorted with Patience was not corrupted with her blood and they were loathe to kill him (a prophecy may have stated that he had an important destiny, staying their hand as well). Nevertheless, the scandal had to be hushed up. Eventually they decided to erase his memory and reloom him. He would be reborn as all Gallifreyans are and there would be no evidence of his past. The First Doctor emerged from the loom and met his cousins, many of whom regarded him as odd. None knew of the Doctor’s past as the Time Lords had tampered with their minds, too. He went through his brain buffing, being tutored by Badger, and enrolled in the Time Academy. There he was by turns brilliant – becoming part of the Deca – and awful – deliberately getting low marks as a sign of rebellion. He and his friends encountered the Toymaker, but only he escaped and as a result he was expelled. He did, however, manage to complete his studies in his spare time and get readmitted (to the disgust of some, horribly easily). He then continued as a scrutinary archivist, being largely ignored until Lungbarrow’s Kithriarch, Quences, deathday, when he was found by the Hand of Omega and left Gallifrey with it. The Hand allowed him to journey into Gallifrey’s past and it took him to the old times during Rassilon’s purges. There he met Susan, who recognised him as her grandfather, and he rescued her, somehow knowing it was true The Hand then took him forward in time to witness the attack on his family and he saw his offspring perish. He managed to save the newborn Susan, however, and used the prototype time machine to send her back to ancient Gallifrey, where he now knew she would survive until he collects her as an adolescent (which, from his perspective, he has just done). She is sent back and, in a twist of synchronicity, is adopted by the Other. The Doctor then helps Patience to escape and puts her in the prototype time machine and sends her away (he recognises her at this point and knows at least vaguely who she is, but he keeps this from her). The Doctor and Susan then travel on, finally reaching Totter’s Lane, where he leaves the Hand behind . and the rest hopefully you all know . I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be the way it happened from what I've read and put together. does this sound right and did I miss anything ? #2 8 May 2008, 10:46 am Doktor Wer Re: the novel Doctors background Time Lord When the Pythia was cast out at the beginning of the Age of Reason, she left behind a curse making the Time Lords unable to bear children (hence the looms). She and her followers decamped to the Cologne nearby planet of Karn, where they later became the Sisterhood that Joined April 19, 2005 tended the flame. Last On: Today 10:08 am Posts Here: 210 #3 8 May 2008, 1:21 pm Andrew Kearley Re: the novel Doctors background Time Lord Quote: Originally Posted by sariel2004 does this sound right and did I miss anything ? It's a perfectly workable theory based on what we learn in the books, Poole, Dorset though I wouldn't necessarily subscribe to it all myself. Joined October 3, 2004 For instance: Last On: Today 3:26 Quote: pm Originally Posted by sariel2004 Posts Here: 942 eventually they decided to erase his memory and Posts in OG Forum: reloom him. he would be reborn as all Gallifreyans are and there 1,241 would be no evidence of his past. the first Doctor emerged from the loom and met his cousins , many of whom regarded him as odd. none knew of the Doctors past as the Timelords had tampered with there minds too. I'm not sure I could agree with this. I personally like to think that the Doctor re-engineered his own "relooming" as a way to evade capture by the High Council. Doctor Who: The Complete Adventures - The whole canon thing. Sorted. Now revised and expanded! Join me on The Complete Adventures Facebook group. Have a look at my Blog... "The groovy thing about Doctor Who is that it's completely nutty!" - Katy Manning #4 8 May 2008, 1:46 pm Howard A Treesong Re: the novel Doctors background Time Lord Quote: Originally Posted by Andrew Kearley It's a perfectly workable theory based on what we learn in the books, though I wouldn't necessarily subscribe to it all myself. Wales For instance: Joined April 18, 2004 Last On: Today 2:49 pm Posts Here: 5,711 I'm not sure I could agree with this. I personally like to think that Posts in OG Forum: the Doctor re-engineered his own "relooming" as a way to evade 9,558 capture by the High Council. I agree, I like to think the doctor hid from them, but effectively hid his past from himself too, the only way to truly protect his remaining family. But other than that, everything above is pretty sound I think. It's more or less what I've surmised before, but fleshed out quite a bit. "What is true is what is true for you." - L. Ron Hubbard http://howardtreesong.blogspot.com/ #5 8 May 2008, 7:55 pm sariel2004 Re: the novel Doctors background Time Lord Glad to hear we agree on the broad strokes then, I am torn with the High Council capturing the Doctor or his engineering his own escape to a degree, but I figured since none of his family in Lungbarrow seem aware of his past that they probably had their minds wiped too and that seemed more likely if the council did it (also it drives home the fact that the Time Lords are a threat to the Doctor’s liberty). That said, there’s a certain poetry to the idea Joined April 24, 2004 that the Doctor hid right under the council’s noses in the very place Last On: Today 1:10 he had escaped from. am Posts Here: 136 #6 8 May 2008, 9:32 pm Andrew Kearley Re: the novel Doctors background Time Lord Quote: Originally Posted by sariel2004 I am torn with the High council capturing the Doctor or his engineering his own escape to a degree , but I figured since none of his family in Lungbarrow seem aware of his past that they probably had there minds wiped too and that seemed Poole, Dorset more likely if the council did it Joined October 3, 2004 Well, my thinking on that is that the members of the House of Last On: Today 3:26 Lungbarrow believe the Doctor to be a brand new cousin.