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Teachers wanted ...... 3 Annual Gathering...... 4 New books...... 6 Is it possible to be free of the meditator? : You have still not you to perceive that totality. answered my first query whether Then they ask me, ‘What is your there has been a deep change in next instruction, what am I to the teachings. do?’ To which the natural reply Krishnamurti: None at all would be, ‘Don’t do anything, He talked about authority, he but listen.’ Have you listened still talks about authority. He accurately to the statement talked about fear, he still talks that time, preparation, the about fear. He talked about whole process of evolution is consciousness in different sets unnecessary? Have you listened of terms, he still talks about it. to that statement? Not that you Thought must end, what is the must accept that statement, not nature of desire—you know all that you must take it and absorb it that he talked about then. and say, ‘Yes, I have understood PJ: May I ask you a question, it.’ But have you listened to that? Krishnaji? Do you think there If you so listen, you have the has been any inner change in you instant perception. The point is during these years? I am asking this really: our whole attitude First published in 1995 to this very seriously. and whole way of life is based on commemorate the birth K: Just a minute, let me observe evolution—becoming, growing, centenary of Krishnamurti, it. I have never been asked this achieving, finally reaching Fire in the Mind consists of question before, to be truthful godhead, and so on. I think that fifteen dialogues between and accurate. Your question is: basic assumption, that basic Krishnamurti and his close has there been a deep change conditioning is radically false. associate Pupul Jayakar. Held in you from thirty years ago or Now, when you say that, do I see between the years 1978 and from the beginning? No! I think the falseness of it instantly? Or 1984, these dialogues cover a that is accurate. There have been vast range of concerns: fear, do I say, ‘Now wait a minute’ changes in expression, there sorrow, time, death, and the this, that and the other? have been changes in vocabulary, ending of the self. They also PJ: No, sir, I would say I see the language, and gesture, you truth of that. know, all that; but there has been explore subjects central to no fundamental change from scientific research today, such K: Go slowly. What do you mean the beginning till now. That is as the questions of biological you see the truth of it? immobility. Got it? survival and the nature of PJ: I can listen to that without a consciousness. So let’s go into this. Someone ripple in consciousness. listens to this statement that Second, revised edition K: If you so listen, what takes perception of the total is published by KFI. Pp. xvi + place? What takes place if the immediate, time is not necessary, 300. Price Rs.350. Excerpts Buddha—I am in his presence— preparation is not necessary, from the book are published says to me, ‘The ending of examination, exploration will here. sorrow is bliss or compassion.’ not get you there, will not help He says that to me. I am one of

1 July 2016 October 2016 Is it possible to be free of the meditator? his audience. I don’t examine giving any meaning to anything, K: Absolutely. That means the statement, I don’t translate is that a state of mind which there is absolute freedom— the statement into my way of is out of time? Is that the state from problems, from conflicts, thinking, I don’t question it, I of real, profound meditation, sorrow, fear. That state of don’t analyse it, I don’t say, ‘What a meditation in which there is meditation has come about do you mean by it?’ I am only in no sense of achieving? All that because there is complete a state of acute, total attention of rubbish goes out of it completely. ending. So the beginning may be listening, nothing else, because And this meditation may be the the eternal process. Beginning, that statement has enormous ground, the origin of all things— you understand? truth and tremendous content. not the meditator. PJ: Yes, sir. That’s enough. Then I would PJ: The meditator is not the ground. K: It may be the eternal begin- ask the Buddha, ‘Please, sir, I K: Of course not. Throw him out. ning. Now, how is this possible? am not capable of such intense PJ: But without the meditator, Is it at all possible for a brain, activity of listening, or non- can the ground be? for a human being to be so activity, whatever it is, so please K: Without the meditator, yes. If completely, utterly, free of the help me.’ So he says, ‘I will. First the meditator is there, the ground meditator, which is essentially listen to what I have said—that is not. the self? The meditator is trying no outside agency or the agency PJ: But without the meditator. . . to meditate to get somewhere, which the mind, thought, has to find something in order to K: I said very carefully, medi invented, nothing will help you put his life right, or to put his -tation without the meditator. to have that tremendous insight.’ life in order. You meditate to PJ: Meditation is a human And I listen and I say, ‘My God, put your life in order, or you process. I am frightened.’ That means I watch and put your life in order must give up everything that I am K: No, no. and then meditate—it is still the attached to. And then I ask, ‘Sir, PJ: Meditation cannot be free of meditator. Is it possible to be how am I to be detached?’ You the individual. free of the meditator? Then there follow? My reasoning is false, the K: The meditator—keep to the is no problem. Then there is no listener’s reasoning is false. The meditator. question of whether there is God moment I ask, ‘How am I to be word or no God. Who cares? Then that detached?’ I am lost. He says, ‘Be PJ: There is no meditation meditation is the meditation of detached’, but I am not listening. without the meditator. You may the universe. Is it possible to be I have great reverence for him say the meditator is not the so utterly free of the meditator? and so on, but I am not listening ground. Now I am asking that question. because attachment has been a K: As long as I am trying to Don’t reply, don’t react; keep tremendous thing in my life. And meditate, meditation is not. it, hold it, let it operate. In the he says that in one stroke you Right? holding of it, energy is being must throw it out. And you must PJ: Yes. accumulated, and that energy is throw it out in one instant. K:Following systems, methods— beginning to act, not you acting. Questioner (Q): Is that instant throw it all out. Therefore there * * * also the instant of perception? is only a brain, a mind, which K: Yes, sir. is in a state of meditation. Now, PJ: You mean to tell me that * * * that is the ground. The universe with the death of the body of Krishnamurti, the consciousness K: I have no anchors. Suppose is in a state of meditation. Sorry! of Krishnamurti will end? I have no anchors at all, either [Laughs] And that is the ground, Please, I am putting a great deal in belief or in knowledge; all that is the origin of everything. of weight into this. that is absolutely meaningless That is possible only when the to me. I am a stranger. I have meditator is not. K: There are two things you have come to that point, I see it has PJ: And that is possible only said—the consciousness of K and no meaning. This sense of not when there are no anchors. the ending of the body. The body 2 3 2 July 2016 October 2016 Is it possible to be free of the meditator? will end; that’s obvious. Through the movement of thought. Ugly, point. No, sir, I will not accept it. usage, accident, disease and so noble, all that. It is the movement K: First of all, it is not yours or on, that will end. So, what is the of thought. mine. Right? consciousness of that person? PJ: Yes. PJ: I only know that it is manifest PJ: This enormous, unending, K: It is the movement of time. in the person of Krishnamurti. abounding compassion. PJ: Yes, I see that. K: Yes. K: Yes. But I wouldn’t call that K: See that very clearly. That is, PJ: Therefore when you say it consciousness. human consciousness, as we know has no place, I cannot accept it. PJ: I am using the word it, is that. When thought, after K: Naturally. consciousness because it is investigating and so on, comes to PJ: It has a place. . . associated with the body of an end, not in the material world K: . . .because you have identified Krishnamurti. but in the psychological world, K with that. K: Yes, but it is not. consciousness, as we know it, is PJ: But K is that. PJ: Because it is associated with not. K: Yes, maybe, but K says it has the body of Krishnamurti, I can’t PJ: But there is the state of being which manifests itself as nothing whatsoever to do with think of another word. I can say Turn to next page the ‘mind’ of Krishnamurti, I can Krishnamurti. say ‘consciousness’. K: Yes. Teachers wanted K: Keep to the word con- PJ: Now, what word shall I use? Pathashaala sciousness, and let’s look at it. K: You are perfectly right. I am Palar Centre For Learning, The consciousness of a human not asking you to change words. Krishnamurti Foundation India being is its content. Right? But say, for example, through (A Cambridge International PJ: Yes. meditation—the real meditation, School) K: The content is the whole not the phoney stuff that’s going Invites teachers who are learners, movement of thought. The on in the world—through real committed, brave...ready to learning of a language, career, meditation you have come to a choicelessly work together. The specialization, beliefs, dogmas, point that is absolute. newest residential school under KFI, we focus on individual rituals, suffering, pain, anxiety, PJ: Yes. autonomy and intelligent loneliness, the desperate sense K: And you see this, you feel it. coexistence among the people of fear, all that is the movement To you, that is an extraordinary in our community. About 80 of thought. state. Through that contact, km from , the campus PJ: Yes. through you, I feel this uses solar and wind energy and immensity. And my whole urge, K: If the movement of thought has only dry composting toilets. striving, says I must capture it, ends, consciousness, as we know Staff and students learn about have it—whatever word you use. it, is not. an environmentally sustainable But you have it. Not you have it; way of living while working PJ: Thought as a movement in it is there. It is not you, Pupulji, towards a CIE certification. We consciousness, as we know it, having it; it is there. It is not offer a minimum CTI of Rs 3 does not exist in the mind of yours or mine; it is there. lakhs for experienced teachers Krishnamurti. Yet there is a state PJ: But it is there because of you. and an apprentice programme of being which manifests itself You see, sir? for teachers without experience. when I am in contact with him. It K: Ah! It is there not because of Work experience in any field manifests itself. Therefore don’t welcome. me; it is there. reduce it to thought. Apply at http://pathashaala.pcfl K: No. One is very careful PJ: Where? -kfi .org/teacher-application/ in pointing out something. K: All right. It has no place. Contact:[email protected]. Consciousness, as we know it, is PJ: I can accept it only up to a +917299938920 2 3 3

Continued page 6 July 2016 October 2016 Is it possible to be free of the meditator? K or with anybody; it is there. manifesting doesn’t belong to X. PJ: He was that, yes. Beauty is not yours or mine; it is It has nothing to do with X. K: And when he died, you say there—in the tree, in the flower. PJ: I am prepared to accept that that disappeared. It is there. also, that it does not belong to K, PJ: No. I have no knowledge to PJ: But, sir, the healing and the but K and that are inseparable. say that it disappeared. I only say compassion which is in K is not K: Yes, all right. But, you see, it could no longer be contacted. out there. when you identify that with the K: No, of course not. person, we are entering into a K: Naturally not. PJ: The healing and the very delicate thing. PJ: Why do you say ‘naturally compassion of K, that’s what I PJ: Take the Buddha. Whatever not’? am talking about. the Buddha consciousness was, K: He was illumined, and K: But that is not K, this. or was manifesting through him, therefore it came to him. [Pointing to himself ] it has ceased to be in terms of PJ: But it manifests, and it will manifesting. PJ: Yes. cease to be manifest; that’s what K: I question it, I doubt it. K: Therefore between him and I am saying. Please see this, sir. Let’s be very careful. Let’s talk that there was no division. K: Of course. I understand what about the Buddha. You say the PJ: Yes. you are trying to say. I question consciousness of that person, K: As his disciple I say, ‘My God, that. Buddha, ceased when he passed he is dead, and with his death that PJ: What do you mean you away. Right? It had manifested question that? through him. whole thing is over.’ Now, I am saying it is not over. That which K: As it is, it may manifest PJ: It had manifested through through X. That which him, yes. is good can never be over. is manifested or which is K: And he was that. KFI Annual Gathering 2016 The annual KFI Gathering will (iii) an online transfer RTGS/ Telephones: be held this year at the Rishi NEFT to Rishi Valley School 08571 280622 & 08571 280582/ Valley Education Centre from the (KFI) through the State Bank of 9493547822/ 9493547322/ morning of the 20th of November Mysore, , Savings 7893644717/ 7893644497 to the afternoon of the 23rd of Bank A/c no 54035214456, IFS e-mail: [email protected] November. The theme is Human Code: SBMY0040002, Swift Goodness and Responsibility. Code: SBMYINBB227 and an As accommodation, which is The programmes will consist intimation sent, immediately, only dormitory-type, is limited, of talks, group discussions, and to [email protected] registration will be done on a video screenings. Krishnamurti with name(s) of participant(s), first-come-first-served basis.The books in English, translations address, and payment details. last date for receiving payment and DVDs will be on sale. Those who wish to attend the and filled-in registration form Tariff: The charges are Rs 2500 Gathering should please fill in is 15 October. per person for Indians and US and post the Registration Form As the place is remote, it will $250 per person for those from (available by post or online not be possible for the Centre to overseas. Payment can be made at www.kfionline.org) to the make return travel reservations. either through address below: However, return transport from (i) a draft drawn in favour of The KFI Gathering Committee Rishi Valley to Madanapalle will Rishi Valley School (KFI), Rishi Valley Education Centre, be provided if needed. payable at Madanapalle or Rishi Valley - 517 352 Chittoor It is possible for a few partici- (ii) a M.O. or District, . pants to come a day or two at 2 3 4 July 2016 October 2016 the most before the Gathering other private buses viz., Deepna (280622/280582/280044/2800 (the cost being Rs 500 per day Travels and Salamat Travels. 86/9493547322/9493547822/ per head), but it is NOT possible Trains: Hyderabad to 7893644497/7893644717) and for them to stay on after the by train and Tirupati to if one of the school vehicles is Gathering. If you are coming Madanapalle by bus. available, we could arrange to in advance, please send in your From Chennai pick them up. remittance accordingly. Buses: Direct APSRTC Express An hourly bus shuttle service Travel buses to Madanapalle leave operates between the APSRTC Rishi Valley Education Centre is daily at 5.30 am,10.30 am and bus stand in Madanapalle and the situated in an isolated valley in 3.00 pm (reaching Madanapalle village of Thettu; the buses stop rural Andhra Pradesh. The valley at 12.30 pm, 6.00 pm and 10.00 at the school gate on the way. is linked by motorable roads to pm respectively) from the Services start from Madanapalle Chennai, , Tirupati Koyambedu Bus Stand (also at 6.00 am. and Hyderabad. Chennai is know as CMBT). Overnight Facilities located around 275 km to the buses from the Koyambedu bus East, Bangalore around 150 km stand to Anantapur, Puttaparthi, Participants will be to the West, Tirupati around 150 via Madanapalle leave at 9 pm accommodated in hostels/ km to the East and Hyderabad and reach Madanapalle at 4 am. A dormitories on the campus. This about 600 km to the North of night bus to Madanapalle leaves means that they have to share Rishi Valley. The nearest town, from the Koyambedu bus stand at bedroom-space with others. It Madanapalle, is 16 km away. 10.00 pm, and reaches at 5 am. will not be possible to provide From Bangalore Train and bus: Chennai to rooms for individual or double Direct buses to Madanapalle: Chittoor, Tirupati or Vellore occupancy. Also, ladies who Private buses every hour during by bus; from there you change are travelling and attending the the day from Kalasapalayam buses for Madanapalle. Chennai Gathering as a `group’ and who bus stand (near Bangalore to Katpadi and Tirupati by train do not want to stay in `mixed- City Market) and also hourly and from there to Madanapalle dormitories’ should please KSRTC and APSRTC buses by bus. indicate this in the Registration from Majestic bus stand (near From Mumbai Form. Only then will we be able Bangalore City Railway Station). Travel via Bangalore or catch a to allot them accommodation in Buses to various destinations Chennai-bound train and alight the ladies’ dormitory. Bedding, via Madanapalle: Andhra at Cuddapah. From Cuddapah which includes a pillow, a sheet Pradesh (APSRTC) and there are buses every hour during and a blanket, will be provided Karnataka Road Transport the day to Madanapalle. to each participant. Corporation (KSRTC) buses to From Delhi Cuddapah, Proddatur and Tirupati Hot water will be available Travel via Bangalore and alight via Madanapalle, starting from at specific times of the day. at Dharmavaram or Anantapur the KSRTC (Majestic) bus stand Given the shortness of stay and and catch the taxi or bus to (near Bangalore City Railway the wet climate (that normally reach Madanapalle, or catch a Station). Inquire at the counter prevails during November), Chennai-bound train. in the KSRTC bus stand for the laundry facilities may not be From Tirupati and Cuddapah timings of the buses. effective. So participants are From Hyderabad There are buses every hour requested to bring sufficient during the day to Madanapalle. Buses: Direct overnight buses clothing. The weather is quite From Madanapalle to Madanapalle. Also buses cool with occasional wet spells to Chittoor and Piler via Autorickshaws and taxies are during November. Minimum Madanapalle (both direct buses easily available and all the temperature may vary from10 to and buses to other destinations drivers know how to reach Rishi 20 degrees Celsius. Participants via Madanapalle start from . are requested to bring umbrellas, Imliban bus stand). There are If guests telephone the school sweaters, and torches. 2 3 5 MarchJuly 201 20166 JuneOctober 2016 2016 New Books & News & Notes Reprints Study Retreats at Rajghat: Young (18-35 years): What are Theme: The first step is the last step you doing with your life? New book to be released: The 5 – 9 September. Kindly visit www.kfistudy.org Awakening of Intelligence—an old Study Retreat in Hindi: 1 - 4 for further information on the Krishnamurti classic containing November. Study Centre. Or write to the a large collection of public Theme: Understanding fear and Study Centre Coordinator, The talks and public discussions pleasure: February 5 – 9, 2017. Valley School Campus, 17th km of 1971, and dialogues with Theme: Awareness in daily living Kanakpura Road, Thatguni Post, Swami Venkatesananda, Alain April 9 – 13, 2017. Bangalore – 560062. E-mail: Naude, Jacob Needleman, and For registration please contact: [email protected]. David Bohm. The book was The Krishnamurti Centre Kolkatta Centre programme: first published abroad in 1973 Krishnamurti Foundation India, and later by Penguin India. Rajghat Fort, Varanasi 221 001 Krishnamurti Foundation India, It is now being published by E-mail: kcentrevns@gmail. Kolkata Centre, will have a two- Krishnamurti Foundation India, com. Phone: 0542-2441289 day programme, on 14 and 15 with a new layout and design and Website: www.j-krishnamurti.org August, titled ‘Beyond emo- photographs. Pp. xx + 598. Price tional intelligence’. Participants Rs 495. The book is yet to be Study Retreats at the Bangalore will explore the relevance of printed, but we shall, on request, Centre: The Study Centre,Krishnamurti’s teachings in let you know when it is ready. Bangalore, offers residentialthe midst of workplace and retreats every month. The dates professional challenges. For details, School Without Fear: The first and themes are: email [email protected]. The edition of this book, released August 11-14: What does it mean Centre will hold a programme at in January this year, sold out in to ‘Live in the here and now’? Santiniketan in West Bengal on a few months, and it has now September 8-11: Education 12 and 13 November. Participants been reprinted. Containing the and the understanding of life. will explore the theme ‘Facing dialogues that Krishnamurti held October 6-9: Harmony in this crisis in consciousness’. We with teachers and parents of the relationship. welcome an all-India participation. , Varanasi, November 10-13: Breaking free For details, email kfikolkata@ in 1954, this 222-page volume is from the prison of the mind. gmail.com priced at Rs 250. Special discount December 7-11: Retreat for the for schools and colleges.

DVDs with Hindi sub-titles: The following four DVDs with Hindi sub-titles have now been released • Washington DC 1985 Talk 1 and Talk 2 • Love and Freedom: Turning Point Series Talk 6 • Krishnamurti with Rishi Valley Students 1984 Talk 3 • Why there is such a chaos in the world? Talk 1 Saanen 1980 Available at The Krishnamurti Centre, Varanasi; e-mail [email protected]

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