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ONLINE EXCLUSIVE WORKSHOPS PROVIDE INTERVIEW INSIGHT IONEER JULY 9, 2010 WWW.OCCC.EDU/PIONEER COVERING OCCC SINCE 1978 Job skill workshops P are held every Thursday in July as a free service through Student Employment Campus security updates planned and Career Services. Find out about JUSTIN COMBS Threatening information will be sent upcoming sessions. Editor out “on a need-to-know basis,” Jordan OCCC to consider [email protected] said. “We need to get a hold on who we name badges Safety and Security will change two inform about what, and how [informa- ways it handles information coming into tion] can be misinterpreted or miscom- CASSIE STEGALL force. the college about potential threats, as it municated,” Jordan said.“We just need to News Writing Student The recommenda- CREDIT CARDS continues to deal with the after-effects be a little more careful with the policy tion came after a shoot- of a shooter scare, said Cordell Jordan, we have.” OCCC employees er scare Feb. 26, said FINANCIAL Media Relations coordinator The change comes after a message was may be wearing name Student Services and PROBLEMS OCCC will more tightly control who sent Feb. 26 to the Community Outreach badges soon, as part Enrollment Vice Presi- CAN HAUNT gets access to sensitive information and Education department about how to of a recommendation dent Marion Paden, STUDENTS about threats such as school shooters handle a possible threat during a swim made to the college by who co-chaired the and bombs, Jordan said. And, it will the Timely Emergency OCCC counselors See UPDATES page 5 See BADGE page 5 say a majority record calls made to Safety and Security. Communications Task- of students who visit their office are stressed out Eggact science PORTIONS OF CAMPUS SHUT DOWN AFTER HEAVY RAIN due to financial troubles stemming from credit card Storm floods college debt. Read to learn how credit card ETHAN HENDRICKS companies target Senior Writer View slideshows of flooding in students and how to the parking lots and the water avoid problems. [email protected] damage to OCCC buildings at www.occc.edu/pioneer NEWS, p. 12 Much of the Social Sciences Center, Wellness Center and the Aquatics Center were shut down EDITORIAL July 7 after about 2.5 inches of rain TRANSIT the evening before led to partial SYSTEM flooding of the college. at presstime. LAGGING The college reopened July 7 J.B. Messer, Facilities Manage- BEHIND with students and faculty being ment director, said the college was moved into other campus build- on top of the situation. Some students’ ings. The weight room reopened Facilities Management used needs are not being July 8 but the Social Sciences met by Oklahoma City’s transit system. Center and pool remained closed See FLOODS page 9 Pioneer staff writer Christy Johnson says it’s time for DIRECTOR ASKING FOR 400 TO 500 PEOPLE TO DONATE TIME some solutions. OPINION, p. 2 Arts Festival Oklahoma STUDENT LIFE in need of volunteers LEADERSHIP RETREAT ASHLEY MERRITT his office now, as July and August PLANNED News Writing Student are the main planning months for the arts festival. Student Life’s Arts Festival Oklahoma direc- The festival has about 25,000 Jennifer Pearsall/Pioneer annual retreat is Student William Dorsey concentrates on the proper tors said they are actively seeking patrons and is the largest in Aug. 13 to 15 and is release of his egg vehicle June 30 off of the second floor of volunteers to help prepare for the Oklahoma during the fall, Bar- open to everyone. Sept. 4 to 6 festival on campus. deguez said. See inside for more. the Main Building. Adjunct science professor Kenny Tapp held the event as part of his physics class. See page 10 Cultural Arts Director Lemuel He said the directors need 400 COMMUNITY, p. 10 for an additional photo. Bardeguez said those interested in volunteering should contact See VOLUNTEERS page 9 2 • JULY 9, 2010 PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER OPINION

OUR VIEW | More bus routes needed as the city grows Transportation woes still a problem for many OCCC students who don’t have cars or reliable only ride a bus from the bus terminal downtown transportation in Oklahoma City has improved, transportation to the college can only get here by in the morning and one in the evening. it still falls short of what bus riding patrons need. using the METRO Transit system. If the student misses the bus either These riders are right in noting the system is in Route 12 comes to OCCC and puts a bus near way, he or she must find another way need of an overhaul. the Main Building nearly every 30 minutes. to get to or from school because of To remedy this issue the Oklahoma City METRO This bus covers much of the southwest side the limitations on bus routes outside Transit system needs more buses, more routes and of the city. of the greater metro area. more frequent stops. Unfortunatly, the bus system is letting many And still others who have classes METRO Transit has yet to comment on the students down, especially when they are try- after 8 p.m. have to figure out a way questions for when it will improve bus schedules ing to leave the college. to get home — the bus won’t come and routes again. Some say the buses are simply too slow, for them. The transit system needs to react to the needs of often turning what would be a 15-minute car METRO Transit is the only public the community. There are too many people who ride into a nearly two-hour city tour — the CHRISTY transportation in the Oklahoma rely on the service for those in charge to come up bus ride from OCCC to NW 10th Street and JOHNSON City area. It is surely safer than short with solutions. MacArthur Boulevard takes an hour and walking, and less costly than a car. For bus routes and fares, contact METRO Transit forty-five minutes. The public transportation system at 405-297-2484 or visit www.gometro.org. Others say the system doesn’t offer enough stops has improved over the years, adding additional during its 5:30 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. run. routes and extending transportation times. Comment on this article at www.occc.edu/pioneer For example, a student who lives in Spencer can Yet, some students feel that although public

YOUR VIEW | Update needed for college homepage OCCC website difficult to navigate To the editor: The application to the out prior knowledge of greatly in comparison. As fall semester draws college itself is hidden the website would be im- All of OU’s prospec- closer, new students are under the Admissions possible. tive student information beginning to enroll for dropdown. With no easy Most new students is easily accessed show- their first semester. access to the application, looking for enrollment ing scholarships, costs, In the age of comput- new students would nev- information or informa- housing and more, and ers, more of these new er be able to find the ap- tion on degrees or class- the link to apply is a students are turning to plication themselves. es would be lost. large, clearly visible link the campus website for Also, the costs to at- Some degrees, includ- on the home page. information, enrollment tend are difficult to find ing the degrees offered The OCCC website and admissions. and scholarship infor- in the Film and Video needs a very serious Just as quickly, new mation is not even of- department, are not even facelift if OCCC’s of- students learn a very fered online. The cata- listed on the website. ficials want students to troubling fact: the logue and schedule, When the OCCC ever be able to effectively OCCC website is nearly while not hidden, are website is put up to com- use the website for gain- impossible to navigate not easy for most new parison against the Uni- ing information. without the help of cam- students to find. versity of Oklahoma’s —Kelsea Burton pus employees. To find anything with- website, OCCC pales OCCC Student Mark Parisi/offthemark.com

OKLAHOMA CITY COMMUNITY COLLEGE PIONEER Vol. 38 No. 38 Justin Combs...... Editor-in-Chief Danniel Parker...... Staff Writer The PIONEER is a publication of Oklahoma City the right to edit all letters and submissions for length, libel Whitney Knight...... Online Editor Jeremy Cloud...... Staff Writer Community College through the Division of Arts and and obscenity. Letters should be fewer than 250 words. Ethan Hendricks...... Senior Writer Christy Johnson...... Staff Writer Humanities. It is published weekly during the 16-week fall Students must list their major. OCCC staff and faculty Jennifer Massey...... Staff Writer Bishal Malla...... Advertising Manager and spring semesters and the eight-week summer session. must list their work title. Opinions expressed are those of the author and do not Letters to the editor can be submitted to the PIONEER Bonnie Campo...... Staff Writer Chris Lusk...... Lab Assistant necessarily represent those of the PIONEER, the college office, located on the second floor of the Main Building, Demerye Paulin...... Staff Writer Ronna Austin...... Lab Director or the publisher. across from the elevator, mailed to 7777 S. May Ave., Christian Kosted...... Staff Writer The PIONEER welcomes letters to the editor and Oklahoma City, Okla. 73159, faxed to 405-682-7843, or Mark Schneberger...... Faculty Adviser encourages the use of this publication as a community submitted via e-mail to [email protected] with a phone forum. All letters must include the author’s name, address, number for verification included. The PIONEER ONLINE phone number and signature. E-mail letters should include also can be accessed at www.occc.edu/pioneer. 7777 S. May phone: e-mail: all but the signature. The PIONEER will withhold the author’s Color printing this semester is paid for, in part, from a name if the request is made in writing. The PIONEER has grant from OPUBCO Communications Group. Oklahoma City, OK 73159 405-682-1611, ext. 7409 [email protected] PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER JULY 9, 2010 • 3 COMMENTS AND REVIEWS

FILM REVIEW | He said/She said: Not all fans agree with the outcome of new vampire movie

Question: How can students learn about inter- How does viewing for jobs? Answer: Please visit the office of Student -Em ployment and Career Services for a variety of ‘Eclipse’ helpful resources. First, I highly recommend registering at www. occc.optimalresume.com and utilizing the Op- timal Interview Prep Module. You may select compare? from nine types (behavioral, screening, panel, Courtesy of Summit Entertainment etc.) of interviews or build your own interview for the particular career field you seek to enter. He said: Better acting make it best ‘Twilight’ so far The number of interview questions, from one Thousands of fans are flocking into theaters to see actors and actresses present relaxed, believable to 20, may be chosen as well as the response “Eclipse,” and those fans will not be disappointed performances and work seamlessly with each other format, whether you will record your responses because it is easily the best movie in the the “Twi- to bring the story to life. through the webcam and microphone on your light” saga so far. Pattinson and Stewart’s onscreen romance has computer, or use the written response option. The third installment continues the heavy use finally left the anguished, insecure stage and moved This website presents four interviewers and a of character-driven plot lines that on to a love that looks and virtual coach who shares strategies for the most appropriate way to answer those tricky questions made the first two movies work so The cast has hit their feels natural. well. Lautner delivers a pow- that can make or break your chance of landing But it also has the added draw of stride in this one. All erful portrayal of an angry the job. After recording your responses you being the first movie in the series to the actors and actresses man who loves a woman may view them in split-screen to critique and show the vampires and werewolves “present relaxed, believable who loves another man. then improve your interview skills. You may also share your interviews with mentors and in full-out, no-holds-barred warfare. performances ... ” The special effects are Century-old vampire Edward Cul- nothing short of astound- colleagues. len (Robert Pattinson), his human ing. The effortless speed A second resource is the student job board lover Bella Swan (Kristen Stewart), and Bella’s were- and strength of both vampires and werewolves is at www.collegecentral.com/occc that features wolf friend Jacob Black (Taylor Lautner) continue made to look real. It’s made to look as simple for multiple interviewing videos through the Career their love triangle, as Jacob decides to try one last them as breathing is for a human. Advice Video Library. time to win Bella away from Edward. This movie is strong enough to stand on its own, Some of the titles include “Interview Advice – And while Edward and Jacob fight over Bella, the independent of its predecessors. Do Your Homework,” “Tricky Interview Q&A; Cullen clan faces threats from all sides, as enemies Rating: A+ Apprentice Interviews” and “Interview Advice old and new return to make their lives difficult. —Jeremy Cloud – Common Mistakes.” The cast has hit their stride in this one. All the Staff Writer To register, please use your OCCC seven-digit student ID number as your access ID. A third option is the website of the “Society for She said: Great movie for fans, but lacks overall bite Human Resource Management” at www.shrm. org with extensive professional interviewing Team Edward or Team Jacob? Wherever your al- Little of the novel’s original allure is lost in translation, guidance. For example, behavioral interview legiance lies, there is plenty to go around in “Eclipse.” though Edward devotees may be a little peeved at how questions such as: “How do you know when you The film is the third of Stephenie Meyer’s “Twilight” easily Lautner’s witty, often-shirtless Jacob steals the are stressed? What do you do to de-stress?” Or, saga, a series of books-turned-movies centered on Bella spotlight away from the brooding vampire. “Tell me about a time when you were a part of Swan (Kristen Stewart), a human teenager who is torn Action junkies will relish the thrills this film has to of- a great team. What was your part in making the between vampire Edward Cullen (Robert Pattinson) fer over previous installments, especially in the climatic team effective?” And, one final example: “Give and werewolf Jacob Black (Taylor final fight scene, where fangs and fur go me an example of a time when you had to deal Lautner). ‘Eclipse’ will a-flyin’. The greatest disappointment of with a difficult co-worker. How did you handle In “Eclipse,” the story takes a dark “Eclipse” is the replacement of the origi- meet diehard fans’ the situation?” turn when a series of grisly killings is nal Victoria, played by Rachelle Lefevre. The Optimal Resume/Interviewing website believed to be the work of newborn expectations, but it Her doe-eyed, soft-spoken demeanor states that behavioral interviews are also known vampires: newly-changed monsters “ is a far cry from the dangerous killer won’t do much to as situational interviews and are “ ... used to whose desire for blood is uncontrol- soar above them.” Meyer created — and that Lefevre played determine how you might perform in their lable and insatiable. flawlessly. situation by looking at past experiences and Soon, Edward determines these Howard’s watered-down performance behavior.” newborns are soldiers in an undead army created by isn’t enough to ruin the movie, but it certainly damp- They recommend “ ... being concise and giv- Victoria (Bryce Dallas Howard), an evil vampire bent on ens it. ing answers using real-world examples is the killing Bella to avenge her mate James (Cam Gigandet), “Eclipse” will meet diehard fans’ epectations, but it best approach.” who was destroyed by Edward in the first book/movie. won’t do much to soar above them. —Debra Vaughn Those who liked the first two movies will probably Rating: C+ Student Employment and like “Eclipse.” Fans of the books will appreciate how true —Whitney Knight Career Services director the film managed to stay to its hardbound counterpart. 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FILM REVIEW | New movie misjudges jump from TV to silver screen ‘Airbender’ decent, but could be better “The Last Airbender’” four elements. swept into theaters July He is awakened after a Playing at — 1 with a large marketing centuries of slumber by Regular screenings: campaign costing $280 Katara (Nicola Peltz), a • AMC Crossroads Mall million. novice water bender, • Moore Warren Theatre Despite grossing about and her brother Sokka • Harkins Bricktown • Dickinson Penn Square $70 million in its first five (Jackson Rathbone). • Cinemark Tinseltown days, the movie is a flop. The Avatar must battle • AMC Quail Springs Mall Overall, the movie is the evil Fire Nation not that impressive, and which has been waging 3-D screenings: • Moore Warren Theatre leaves viewers with a war against the other • Hollywood Spotlight sense of disappointment nations for years. • AMC Quail Springs Mall and wishing for their When people go to see • Kickingbird Theaters money back. the movie, they must The movie centers on keep in mind that direc- the cartoon workings of tor M. Night Shyamalan Dev Patal, who plays Nickelodeon’s “Avatar: had to take 20 episodes Prince Zuko, is over dra- Courtesy of Paramount Pictures The Last Airbender.” and stuff them into 103 matic with his dialogue The setting of the minutes. and Rathbone’s jokes ning to end, as the char- worth the extra money lan does better at the movie is a fantasy world It’s not a great movie, bomb throughout the acters move from loca- to see. plate with the two mov- where people known and most of it doesn’t entire movie. tion to location with no The movie is not a total ies scheduled to follow as benders can bend or work, but the biggest All the actors deliver explanation. loss, however. which will chronical manipulate elements to problem is the acting. stale characterizations, For those who have The fighting and ac- the next two books of their will. Ringer’s acting as and their lines are said not seen the cartoon, the tion scenes were very the series. (www.lastair- The main character, Aang is stiff and makes with forced agony. movie may be confusing good due to good cho- benderfans.com) Aang (Noah Ringer), his character seem life- Another bomb is the and seem disjointed. reography, stunts and Rating: C- is the Avatar, the only less and dull compared cinematography, which The 3-D viewing is less special effects. —Ethan Hendricks person who can bend all to Aang in the cartoon. is choppy from begin- than spectacular and not Let’s hope Shyama- Staff Writer

GAME REVIEW | ‘Naughty Bear’ provides a fun, entertaining game Knocking the stuffing out of bears proves fun in video game Take all the best parts of every slasher ty Bear” is a laugh fest. buttons, which can make for some movie you can think of, throw in some The narrator is dementedly cheerful. interesting accidents. teddy bears and the result is “Naughty The bears bleed stuffing when stabbed, For instance, reacting instinctively Bear,” the hilariously macabre game and the startlingly detailed looks on the to stab a bear that’s trying to shoot, released June 28 for PlayStation3. bears’ faces when Naughty kills them Naughty occasionally results in Naugh- The gamer plays the titular character, are pure entertainment. ty’s weapon being dropped, as the X Naughty Bear, a teddy who’s tired of be- Unfortunately, the game has a couple button is used for picking up objects, ing made fun of and ignored by other of downsides. While playing a mur- instead of hitting things bears on Paradise Island. derous teddy bear is vastly amusing, “Naughty Bear” succeeds in that it’s In retaliation, Naughty takes a gameplay slows down once an area has funny and a great way to unwind after butcher knife and sets out to slit his been cleared of enemies. a stressful day at work. happy neighbor bears’ throats or tries There also are side missions that take Players looking for an in-depth gam- to drive them insane. quite a bit of time to complete, and the ing experience, such as the people who “Naughty Bear” is a score-based player can become frustrated as the enjoy finding every last item, and get- game. The aim of the game is to get score multiplier ticks down to zero ting the highest score possible should Naughty Points for destroying property, Courtesy of 505 Games while he or she struggles to find the last take a pass on this this game. killing bears and driving them insane. item needed to complete the objective. Otherwise, you just might take a Naughty Points also can be gained by phasis off graphics, and the world is full The controls depart from the classic cue from Naughty, and stab this game completing side missions and fulfilling of objects that can be destroyed, most PlayStation setup, which can be annoy- repeatedly. objectives. of which can be used to kill bears in ing in the middle of combat. Rating: B- The environment of the game is well creative and violent ways. Attack, defense, and some of the —Jeremy Cloud done. A cartoonish style takes the em- To those with twisted minds, “Naugh- interactions are set to the R2 and L2 Staff Writer PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER JULY 9, 2010 • 5

STUDENTS TO MAKE A FILM WITH AWARD-WINNING FILMMAKERS Movie project combines video, theater majors AMBER HODGE the Arts department director, said she is Charnay said. She said once she complete the semi- News Writing Student glad students from both programs have Sean Lynch also will work with stu- nar, she will receive three credit hours the opportunity to participate together dents. Lynch is the producer and co- toward her degree. For the first time at OCCC, theater in the clinic. writer of the feature film “Unsolved,” Leonard Jackson, theater major, said students will team up with film and “It just made sense to put the acting Charnay said. he also is thrilled to be involved. video students to make a short film. and film students together,” Charnay Theater major Elizabeth Chappell “I think it’s great and it will build my Film and Video Program Director said. said she is excited to participate in the résumé,” Jackson said. Greg Mellott said the production — She said the students will work with clinic and has already auditioned for Mellott said all students will receive titled “Going Down” — is part of an Mellott, who is the Emmy award-win- a part in the short film. a finished copy of the short film. Oklahoma Film Institute summer ning writer and director of the docu- “I have enjoyed the experience tre- The college will retain rights to the seminar held until July 16 at the college. mentary “Dream No Little Dream.” mendously so far,” Chappell said. film, but the students will be able to use The film will be staged in an elevator The students also will work with She said, even if she does not receive it for whatever they choose, he said. car which will be constructed for the Gray Frederickson, the Oscar-winning a part in the film, she will be able to For more information, contact Mellot film, Mellott said. producer of the “Godfather,” trilogy help out around the set and observe at 405-682-1611, ext. 7793, or e-mail Ruth Charnay, Communication and along with many other feature films, the process. [email protected].

Updates: College aims Badge: Task force recommendation stems to limit information access from shooter scare Feb. 26 on campus on ‘need-to-know basis’ Continued from page 1 taskforce. Continued from page 1 The incident involved a report of a gunman in the Keith meet. There was no actual threat, he said. Leftwich Memorial Library However, that message was miscommunicated by on campus. At that time, no several people, and resulted in the college being locked college policy required faculty down and an OCCC security guard shooting his gun. and staff to wear name badges, Jordan said no one involved in the miscommunica- according to the list of college tion or the shooting was fired or demoted but said he policies and procedures on the couldn’t comment as to whether any employees received college’s website. a reprimand from the college over the incident citing The task force — which the Open Records Act. was made up of college staff, Jordan said from the incident, the college learned administrators, students and how things can be miscommunicated. In addition to faculty — calls for all employees restricting access to information, Safety and Security to be required to wear name will begin digitally recording telephone calls made into badges somewhere visible on Whitney Knight/Pioneer Durell Carter, literature major and Student Employment and and out of the office. their bodies. Career Services employee, wears a staff name badge while “The calls can be used for investigative purposes and However, the group asked he works on campus. The Timely Emergeny Communications also training to monitor how we handle dispatch calls the college not to enforce the Taskforce has recommended all college employees wear name and what the specific threat is,” Jordan said. recommendation until fall badges somewhere visible on their body by fall 2011. Those recorded calls will be available for the public 2011 at the earliest. upon request. General calls to the college operator Paden said she thinks name will not be recorded. Only those sent to security will badges are a good idea because Sara Hill, OCCC Bookstore badges will have an effect. be digitized, he said. Also, the college will separate the students and guests often come employee. “I feel a little more at ease if college operator’s switchboard from the Safety and in contact with staff members Within the past month, an I see a name badge,” Howard Security dispatch station, Jordan said. and faculty they may not know. estimated 30 name badges have said. “But I figure if someone “The dispatcher needs to be only in charge of security Student Life Assistant Marcy been sold, she said. were to come on campus, they calls and dispatching security,” he said. Roll also thinks name badges While employees are only could find a way to do some- Alex Mangum, engineering major, said he’s surprised are a good idea. recommended now to wear thing bad.” the college didn’t record any the dispatch phone calls “Name badges allows you to name badges, some OCCC in the first place. “It’s interesting that they’re just now put a name to a face” Roll said. departments such as Safety and Roll said she has always Security are required to wear Read the Timely Emergency using that technology,” Mangum said. “I always thought Communication Taskforce’s all areas of law enforcement used it.” worn a name badge, and all the them, Safety and Security Co- complete summary report at Stephanie Murray, general education major, said she staff in her department wear ordinator Keith Bourque said. www.occc.edu/pioneer agrees it’s been a long time coming for the technology. them although they are not However, not all are in favor “As easy as it is for consumers to buy that technology, required to. of the name badge recom- The name badges are gold mendation. I can’t believe the college is just now doing that,” Mur- colored with magnetic backs Student Marci Howard, said ray said. and cost $7.50 cents each, said she does not think the name 6 • JULY 9, 2010 PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER

TONYA KYMES SAYS SHE CHANGED THE COMMUNICATIONS LAB INTO A ‘FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT’ Lab supervisor moving into teaching position KATHRYN NASH News Writing Student If a student forms a friendship with a tutor, in addition to their academic Students who regularly relationship, more often than not that receive writing help from “ OCCC Communications student will be more successful.” Lab Supervisor Tonya Kymes —Tonya Kymes will soon have to find a Communications Lab Supervisor new person to help them overcome writing challenges. Kymes will leave the lab environment in the lab. writing. July 30 to take an English “This lab is not intimidating “I love that I have increased teaching position at the at all,” she said. their professionalism,” she college. Kymes said the lab is a said. She said she took over the friendly place where students “I smile big when I think lab, which is located in the can come visit as well as about that.” Main Building behind the receive assistance. She said she often tries to OCCC Coffee Shop, two years “We like to say we are make her staff laugh because Jeremy Cloud/Pioneer ago and transformed it into a family,” she said. “If a student it tends to ease certain Tonya Kymes, Communications Lab supervisor friendlier environment. forms a friendship with a situations and just makes life Kymes said she will miss tutor, in addition to their better, she said. Kymes finishes out her last supervisor job, Kymes said. working with the staff and academic relationship, more “I love my job,” Kymes few weeks. Kymes said she is on a students. often than not that student said. Lab Assistant Brandon search committee and hopes “If you can leave with will be more successful.” Dayshawn Burns, psy- Isaak said Kymes made the to have the position filled by things being better because Kymes said she also is chology major, said the staff lab a better place to work. the end of the summer. you were there, that is really pleased that she assisted in is helpful and very friendly. Lydia Rucker, lab assistant, Until a person is hired, all you can hope for,” she making her staff feel like part “The staff gives a lot of agrees with Isaak. her staff will fill in. She said said. of the college. feedback on papers and “She lets us be ourselves she hopes to train the new Kymes said one of her She said she feels like she helps with different ideas on and supports our ideas,” director and said she wants greatest accomplishments helped make her staff into how to write,” Burns said. Rucker said. to find someone whose while supervisor has teachers and gave them the Lab staff members said The college has not found personality meshes with the been creating a pleasant skills to teach and tutor they have mixed emotions as a replacement for the lab lab and staff. Parenting course scheduled to launch in the fall semester Class will be tion, the class will begin by sistance to people and teach zations that deal with child was overwhelmingly posi- required for all teaching healthy pregnancy them how to raise their chil- development services, to try tive. child development tips and end with how to deal dren,” Pittman said. to build working relation- She said Executive Vice with teenage power struggles. Pittman volunteers as a ships between them and the President Jerry Steward re- students Parenting is a one-credit court-appointed special ad- school. sponded to her e-mail and life skills class, similar to vocate, representing children Parent’s Assistance Center told her it was “the best idea DANNIEL PARKER Success in College and Life, who are the victims of abuse is one of the organizations the college has ever had.” Staff Writer and isß a requirement for in court, she said. the school is courting a co- But the reaction to the new [email protected] students working to receive Pittman said she works operative relationship with. class is not entirely positive. child development degrees, with a child whose parents According to research data Denny Myers, Information OCCC will offer a parent- Pittman said. didn’t know children need provided by the center, par- Systems and Services direc- ing class starting this fall to But for some parents, she to be spoken to and read to enting classes are beneficial tor, said he doesn’t under- teach students how to raise said, the class will be manda- from the day they are born. to fixing the problem of child stand why the course can’t be children throughout the first tory as they attempt to regain “All their kids do is stare mistreatment. a non-credit class, available 18 years of their lives. custody of their children. at the TV and watch videos,” PAC Executive Director to everyone. The 16-week course is Those parents will be re- she said. Char Carter said they would Myers offered a differ- scheduled 1 to 1:50 p.m. ferred to the class from the “Now that family has a love to provide guest speak- ent solution for struggling Mondays beginning Aug. 23. Department of Human Ser- 5-year-old child that cannot ers to help OCCC’s parenting parents. The parenting class is the vices, and others will be court speak, and there is noth- classes. “It’s simple. Just raise your brainchild of Cecilia Pitt- ordered because of crimes ing mentally wrong with Pittman sent a mass e- damn kids,” he said. man, Child Development such as child abuse or ne- him — it’s a developemental mail June 26 to the OCCC “If you are struggling, don’t Program director. glect, Pittman said. problem.” community, introducing the take a college course and According to the rough “It’s important for the state Pittman said she’s con- parenting course. waste your money. Buy food draft of the course descrip- to help parents, and offer as- tacted more than 20 organi- Pittman said the response for your kids.” PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER JULY 9, 2010 • 7

HATS, PETS, LIGHT AND SENSES ARE ON THE CDCLS’S TEACHING AGENDA Children experience hands-on learning JENNIFER MASSEY Staff Writer [email protected]

hildren in OCCC’s Child Development Center and Lab School are learning about light and shadow, hats, pets and sensesC this week, said Lisa Jones, Early Childhood Development teacher. The center is divided into four classes, Preschool A and B, and Infant and Toddler A and B, Jones said. Jones, a teacher in the Preschool A classroom, is teaching her class about light and shadow with Magna-Tiles. “We are teaching them about objects that are transparent and opaque,” Jones said. “When you stand in front of light, it makes shadow,” said Peyton, 4, a student at the center. The Preschool B class is beginning a project about hats, said Constance Pidgeon, early childhood teacher. “Especially because of the weather, our goal is to help them learn that hats protect us from the sun,” Pidgeon said. Theresa Cooper, early childhood teacher in the Infant and Toddler A class, said her students are learning about pets. She said her students are reading books and singing songs about pets, and will be making puppy chow, a chocolate and peanut butter treat. Above: Peyton, 4, (back) and Ethan, 4, (front) study light and “The benefit of studying about pets is to teach shadows with Magna-Tiles in the Preschool A class. Once they them animal awareness,” Cooper said. “The kids are finished with the light and shadow unit, they will begin a unit are approved to bring their pets on Fridays.” on earthworms, said Lisa Jones, Early Childhood Development She said the children will learn about each pet teacher. brought to class. Infant and Toddler B is learning about senses, said Heather Pierce, Early Childhood Develop- ment teacher. Below: (l-r) Madison, 4, and Righley, 4, try on various hats in She said it’s important to teach them about senses the Preschool B class. The students are learning about sun safety through activities such as touching, smelling and by studying hats that can protect them from the sun. hearing because that is how children learn when they aren’t verbal yet. For more information about the CDCLS, visit www.occc.edu/ChildDev or call 405-682-7561.

Above: Heather Pierce, Early Childhood Teacher reads a book about senses to Mason, 2, in the Infant and Toddler B class.

Left: (l-r) Kellan, 2, Bella, 2, and Summer, 2, use a puzzle to learn about pets in the Infant and Toddler A class with Lee Ann Townsend, Child Photos by Christy Johnson/Pioneer Development Center Lab supervisor. 8 • JULY 9, 2010 PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER SPORTS UPCOMING INTRAMURALS EVENTS Steady pace • July 12-16: The Youth Sport Camps will offer Multi-Sport Chris Acoff, business major, 2 to children ages 6 to 11 and works out in the Wellness 12 to 14. The cost is $60 per Center on one of the many child. Youth Sport Camps also treadmills available. The will offer Swimming-competitive Wellness Center is open 6 a.m. stroke to children ages 9 to 11 to 8:30 p.m. Mondays through and 12 to 14. The cost is $60 Thursdays, and 6 a.m. to 6:30 per child. For more information, p.m. Fridays. To learn more contact Eric Watson, Recreation about the center or the weight and Fitness specialist, at 405- room — both free to all OCCC 682-1611, ext. 7786. students with a current student ID — visit the www.occc.edu/rf. • July12-16: The FitKids Camp will offer We Are Family to children ages 6 to 12. The cost is $35 per child. For more information, contact Eric Watson, Rec- reation and Fitness specialist, at 405-682-1611, ext. 7786.

• July12-16: Camp-Rec Youth will offer Sports Extravaganza to children ages 6 to 11. The cost is $40 per child. Camp-Rec Teen will also offer P.E. Week to children ages 12 to 15. The cost is $40 per child. For more information, contact Eric Watson, Recreation and Fitness specialist, 405-682-1611, ext. 7786. Whitney Knight/Pioneer • July 19-23: Youth Sport Camps will offer Volleyball to RECREATION | Fitness classes creating understanding of proper technique children 8 to 14. The cost is $60 per child. Youth Sport Camps also will offer Soccer to children 6 to 11 and 12 to 14. The cost is Wellness programs building momentum $60 per child. For more information, contact Eric Watson, Rec- DEMERYE PAULIN the basics of exercise in a normal per- According to the Wellness classes reation and Fitness specialist, Staff Writer spective, which brings them a long way website, OCCC also continues to offer 405-682-1611, ext. 7786. [email protected] in staying unique,” Watson said. personal training assistance for students Boot Camp is held 5:30 to 6:25 p.m. needing help. • July 19-23: The FitKids Camp Throughout the month of July, Mondays and Wednesdays. Participants “Through setting up the fitness classes will offer Amazing Race to chil- students, non-students, faculty and will use hand weights, tubing and body and working with people, the courses dren ages 6 to 12. The cost is staff now have various opportunities bars to increase lean muscle. have even taught me how to multi-task $35 per child. For more information, contact Eric Watson, Rec- to increase their health and strength The cost is $30 per person and $20 and get more things done,” Watson said. reation and Sports specialist, through a series of Wellness Center for OCCC students. Certified personal trainers also are 405-682-1611, ext. 7786. class sessions throughout areas of the The Pilates program, which consists available for all OCCC students, faculty Wellness Center. of exercising on a mat and abdominal and staff. • July 19-23: Camp Rec Youth Designated rooms on campus are exercises, is 6:30 to 7:30 p.m Tuesdays The initial assessment is $30 per will offer Survivor to children offering Boot Camp, Pilates, Zumba, and Thursdays. The cost is $30 person person and four sessions is $120 for ages 6 to 11. The cost is $40 Spinning and Combo Aerobics through and $20 for OCCC students. a minimum of 30 minutes. Also, one per child. Camp Rec Teen is offering Iron Man to children July 28. Zumba, a Latin dance class which session including initial assessment ages 12 to 15. The cost is $40 Sports and Recreation Specialist Eric focuses on principles and benefits the and training is 45 minutes minimum per child. For more information, Watson said participants can enroll any active adult group, is 7:30 to 8:15 p.m. for $60 per person. contact Eric Watson, Recreation time before the classes end. Mondays and Wednesdays. The cost is For more information about Wellness and Sports specialist, 405-682- Being active can make for a healthy $30 per person. Spinning also is offered Classes, contact Watson at 405-682- 1611, ext. 7786. lifestyle and can lead to a life of better from 6 to 6:45 p.m. The $25 program 1611, ext. 7786, or the Wellness Center living, Watson said. offers stationary bikes for users. at ext. 7310. He said OCCC’s fitness classes are Watson said one payoff of being in a Students and those interested in Have sports news? special. fitness classes is the satisfaction partici- enrolling can visit www.occc.edu/ E-mail Demerye Paulin at “The participants understand what pants get in setting a goal and dedicating RF/Wellness-Classes.html for more [email protected] needs to be done, and they understand themselves to completing that goal. information. PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER JULY 9, 2010 • 9 Volunteers: Festival held Sept. 4 to 6 on campus, director says

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to 500 volunteers who would donate their time in about four-hour shifts. Volunteer opportunities include artist assistants, mascots or food taste testers, Bardeguez said. “The festival would not be possible without the hundreds of volunteers who work tire- lessly on the event,” he said. One of the most fun positions is still open, Bardeguez said. Organizers are in need of volunteers to be Seemore Art Whitney Knight/Pioneer — the festival mascot. Brad Finlason, Facilities Management employee, cuts a new ceiling tile July 7 in the Main Building. Finlason said he was ”That’s definitely a young sent out to repair water-damaged tiles that were affected by a July 6 storm that dumped 2.5 inches of rain at the college. person’s gig because the cos- tume is hot, but it’s a lot of fun,” he said. Floods: Some buildings Annalyn Gill, Advocates of Peace club president and pre- experienced water damage law major, said she is in charge of recruiting volunteers. Continued from page 1 unaffected, said Eric Watson, Gill said she will set up a OCCC Sports and Recreation sign-up stand within the next fans to dry the wet carpets specialist. couple of weeks on campus. and air out classrooms. However, the weight room Volunteers who help for “It’s just the normal roof had to be closed, Watson said. a few hours a day have the leaks,” Messer said. “We’ve He said none of the equip- privilege to taste test the food combated all immediate ment in the weight room was Justin Combs/Pioneer for free from the many vendors needs.” damaged, but many of the A white Camaro sits stranded July 6 in parking lot G at before the festival begins, she Social Sciences Dean Susan ceiling tiles will need to be OCCC. Oklahoma County received about 2.5 inches of rain said. Tabor said the flooding, which replaced. Tuesday evening, which resulted in flash flooding around the Gill said other volunteer stranded cars in the parking The pool also was closed metro, according to the National Weather Center. benefits include free arts fes- lot, covered first floor areas July 7 due to sanitation and tival T-shirts and prize raffles. with 1 inch of water after seep- hazard issues, Messer said. Charles Tarver, sports as- showed up for class. She said she served as a ing through the ceiling and “The big thing about the sistant, said water was leaking “I talked to Tabor and she festival volunteer in 2009 and had a lot of fun. under the doors of her center. Aquatic Center is it’s a public into the Aquatic Center either told me my class was being “Volunteering has great ben- “The Aquatic Center has bathing area,” he said. “So through the drains or through relocated,” Prewitt said. efits for students in clubs and this steep pitch. And where you have certain sanitation Entry 10. “It doesn’t inconvenience organizations because the club the pitch and the flat roof “When I left last night, water me too much.” type conditions that have to members’ participation helps come together, the water just be maintained,” he said. was already coming up out of to earn support and donations builds up and comes through Messer said the pool deck the drain,” Tarver said. towards their organization,” the roof and down the walls,” had up to 4 inches of standing Recreation and Fitness will Want to know what is Gill said. Tabor said. water, which created a safety hold the children’s swimming going on around campus? To sign up, download the While this isn’t the first hazard. activities in the gym for now, application form at www. Follow the Pioneer on time flooding has shut down “Getting the patrons out of Tarver said. occc.edu/AFO or contact Twitter for instant areas on campus, Tabor said, the center was a top priority,” Students arriving on cam- Gill at annalyn.v.gill@email. news and updates! the flooding has never been Messer said. pus seemed unaware their occc.edu. this bad. “The Recreation and Fitness classes had been moved. www.twitter.com/ Shift scheduling informa- In the Wellness Center, the Center was very proactive Jonathan Prewitt, business OCCCPioneer tion is available at www.occc. gym, aerobics and spinning about being in control of that major, said he didn’t know edu/AFO/Volunteer.html. rooms, and locker rooms were situation.” about the flooding until he 10 • JULY 9, 2010 PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER CAMPUS COMMUNITY CAMPUS HIGHLIGHTS

Students egg Opportunity Expo the college RecruitMilitary is hosting a free hiring event for veterans who already have civilian work ex- Austin Alexander, perience at 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. July 29 at the Co- releases his egg vehicle ca-Cola Events Center. This expo is for men June 30 off of the second and women who have had work experience in floor of the Main Building. the military, are a spouse of a military meme- The Egg Drop Challenge ber or are in the National Guard and reserves. was put on by adjunct Participants can enroll and find more informa- science professor Kenny tion online at www.recruitmilitary.com Tapp as part of his physics class. Essay contest The Dr. Bill Brown Community College Stu- dent Essay Contest is offering OCCC students the opportunity to win three $200 awards and the reading of the winning essays Sept. 20 at the Oklahoma Global Education Consortium Conference at OCCC. Students essays are due by midnight Aug. 20 and must be 500 words that focus on global education. Those who enter must be enrolled at OCCC at the time of the conference and must only have one entry. Essays can be submitted online or mailed in. For other essay requirements or Jennifer Pearsall/Pioneer more information, visit www.ogec.org

Oklahoma American Idol Auditions for the singing competition will be STUDENT LIFE | OCCC students, faculty will attend leadership workshop in August held 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. Aug. 20 and 21 at Quail Springs Mall. Cash and prizes up to $5,000 can be won. The Bethel Foundation is hosting the Retreat to focus on leadership, networking event. On-site registration and check in begin at 9 a.m., but contestants also can register by send- BONNIE CAMPO nights in a resort hotel, a tend. Stephen Morrow, who ing an e-mail to [email protected]. For Staff Writer T-shirt, transportation, As of June 29, he said, sponsors the Advocates ticket sales or information, call 405-286-3602. [email protected] meals, and the book 31 people had signed up of Peace, said he has “Leaders in Gear” by and 81 percent of those gone in years past. New student orientation Student Life will hold the guest speaker Rhett were female. Morrow said going to OCCC has begun teaching future students the its annual clubs and Laubach, Behara said. Nursing major and the retreat lets everyone basics of college on campus. The classes are organizations retreat “We are able to do this Health Club member come together before offered at various times three times per week in Aug. 13 to 15 at Quartz because we budget stu- Leah Payne said she is the semester, and al- July and four times per week in August. Students participate in a free one-time, two-hour session Mountain Resort in dent fees,” he said. “Also, looking forward to the lows club participants to designed to assist students in their academic, Lone Grove, Okla., said the size of the group that event because it will aid make connections and personal and financial transitions. For a sched- Darin Behara, Student goes makes it cheaper.” her in becoming a better learn things that are of ule of class times or more information, contact Life director. Anyone is Behara said while at participant in her club. immense value. the office of Recruitment and Admissions at welcome to participate. the camp, participants “I think this retreat “I gain a deeper con- 405-682-7580. The retreat will offer will learn skills to help can help all the officers nection with the officer instruction about lead- them become better work together as a group I will be working with,” Opening Day and Welcome Week ership skills to students leaders within their and get the word out to he said. OCCC is offering Opening Day for students and faculty, and help organizations and com- all nursing students and Morrow said Student and their families to explore the school at 1 to 4 everyone connect and munities. prospective students Life provides great in- p.m. Aug. 21. This event helps those who come find their classes, explore campus resources, network with each other They also will get to about what our orga- struction at these re- and meet faculty and staff. Welcome week is before the upcoming fall participate in work- nization does for the treats. 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Aug. 23 through 27 and helps semester, Behara said. shops led by Lauba ch. community, the school “Student Life has al- students learn things about the college while He said the last day to “Those who go will and all our members,” ways taught leadership engaging in events such as TRiO’s Ice Cream sign up is July 16. learn chapters from Payne said. that gives motivation Social and the welcome breakfast. For more in- Behara said students the book that discuss She said she hopes to students to improve formation, contact Student Life at 405-682-7523. and sponsors can apply seven speaking basics, the seminars will teach planning skills, commu- in Student Life or on- four ways to overcome her to be a strong leader nication, and help them All Highlights are due 5 p.m. Monday for their inclusion in the next issue. line on the Student Life failure, three ways to for her club so she can grow,” he said. Highlight forms can be picked up in homepage under the give respect and more,” teach newer members For more information the Pioneer office, located on the second floor section Campus Groups. he said. the necessary steps to about the retreat, e-mail of the Main Building, across from the elevator. The retreat costs $25, Behara said he expects succeed. Behara at dbehara@ which includes two 50 to 60 students to at- English professor occc.edu. PIONEER | OCCC.EDU/PIONEER JULY 9, 2010 • 11 CLASSIFIEDS TODAY’S CROSSWORD PUZZLE Pioneer classified advertising Correctly answer four Treasure is free to all enrolled OCCC students and employees for Hunt Questions and be entered in any personal classified ad. our final drawing of the semester: Ad applications must be submitted with IDs supplied 1: What is the percentage increase in by 5 p.m. Mondays prior to tuition the Oklahoma State Regents for the publication date. For more Higher Education approved June 24? information, call the Ad Manager at 405-682-1611, ext. 7674, or e-mail [email protected]. 2: How many students have already joined the OCCC international students social networking site? Adopt Puppies: 10- 3: When is the OCCC Child Develo- week old affectionate, ment Center and Lab School hosting loving male and female English Bulldog pup- Read the July 2 Pioneer its annual Christmas in July event? issue for the answers. pies (AKC Registered) Send your answers to: 4: When is the last day of the games for free adoption. E-mail: [email protected]. David Sanchez at father- of the FIFA World Cup 2010 soccer? [email protected].

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STUDENTS CAUTIONED ABOUT THE DANGEROUS OF ABUSING CREDIT CARDS Credit card debt can send students into tailspin DANNIEL PARKER mend that anyone between the ages “All credit card companies make meaning that if you want to borrow Staff Writer of 18 and 24 get a credit card. their money off fees and late charges, money to buy a car or a home, you’ll [email protected] “Statistically, when a person uses and students tend to rack up those have to prove to the lender you are a credit card, they spend 30 percent charges,” O’Donnell said. responsible.” OCCC Counselor Jenna Howard more money than they would if they Having a credit card and using it said more than 50 percent of the used cash,” she said. The college’s approach properly is important to establishing students who come to her asking for Howard said credit card debt is a credit, Campbell said. advice do so because they are stressed symptom of American culture. OCCC does not allow on-campus She explained why she feels credit out over financial troubles — much of “Our culture is obsessed with in- solicitation from credit institutions, unions are more ethical than other that caused by credit card debt. stant gratification,” she said. “When according to the college’s privacy pol- lenders when it comes to issuing “I think a lot of people in debt feel you use a credit card, you purchase icy and its contract with Higher One. credit cards. like they’re in a hole they can’t dig out something instantly thinking you’ll However, the Pioneer does accept Campbell said credit unions are not of,” Howard said. just pay for it later.” advertisements from such companies. for profit and are governed by their “They feel overwhelmed, they lose Tinker Federal Credit Union also members. sleep and, in general, it affects their Credit card traps provides OCCC guest “Our board of directors mental health.” speakers and work- aren’t a bunch of fat According to a 2009 Sallie Mae Activist Janne O’Donnell said she shops during the cats on Wall Street study on credit card debt among col- has been interested in credit card is- Success in College in New York,” she lege students, the median debt of stu- sues since 1998, when she found her and Life class. said. “They are here dents has almost doubled since 2004, 22-year-old son Sean Moyer hanging Cynthia Camp- in the community. rising from $946 to $1,645. in his closet. bell is the assistant So our profits go back to Eighty four percent of students have She said he committed suicide be- vice president of the our members in the form of credit cards, and the average student cause of his $20,000 credit card debt. TFCU financial empow- lower fees in borrowing and is responsible for paying bills on four O'Donnell, board member for erment program and a frequent guest higher returns in savings accounts.” cards, the study shows. Americans for Fairness in Lending, speaker at OCCC. Howard said students finding A recent study from Georgetown a non-profit organization whose goal Campbell said TFCU is on campus themselves emotionally or mentally University’s credit research center is to reform the lending industry, said to offer help, not solicit credit cards. stressed over debt should come talk shows college students accrue more OCCC students need to be wary of The institution offered 400 workshops to her. fees and exceed their credit limits using credit cards and the potential on understanding personal finance The counselor's office is located in more often than any other segment traps they entail. last year, she said. Student Support Services, in the Main of society. She said colleges are partially to “We teach people to understand Building, Room 1F8(A). blame for students raking up massive credit and use it to their advantage,” Howard also can be reached at 405- Mounting problems debts at an early age. she said. 682-1611, ext. 7621, or jhoward@ O’Donnell pointed to a practice “We live in a credit-based society, occc.edu. Saleta Bell, a 35-year-old psychol- colleges engage in called affinity pro- ogy major, said she has experienced grams. She said this is where colleges problems with living beyond her allow financial companies to solicit means. their credit cards on campus. She used Get credit card debt help At one point, Bell said, she found the University of Oklahoma as an herself more than $7,000 in debt. example. DANNIEL PARKER Her accounts were sent to collection For letting financial institutions ad- Staff Writer companies who would call her on a vertise on campus, OU gets $14 mil- [email protected] daily basis. lion per year, plus a percentage of what Bell said she blames the astronomi- a student spends, O'Donnell said. Jennifer Wallis, vice president of Consumer Credit Counseling Service cal interest rates of her credit cards “There are a lot of reasons why in Oklahoma City, said although there are new laws in place that force for her debt, saying she failed to read credit card companies are so active a consumer to prove that they can afford a credit card, debt is still a big the fine print on her signed contract. in marketing to college-age kids,” she problem for students. She is still paying off that debt, she said. “Financial problems are the number one reason people drop out of said. “First of all, they suspect that if college,” Wallis said. Bell said she has cautioned her a college student gets in financial She said students who are mired in debt of any kind should take advan- daughter to not fall into the same trouble, their parent’s would bail tage of non-profit organizations such as CCCS whose mission is to help trap she did. them out.” people manage their money and get out of debt. “My daughter just turned 18, and Secondly, O'Donnell said, college CCCS is located at 3230 N. Rockwell Ave. when she did she started getting tons students are easy marks because There also are other alternatives such as support groups. of mail from credit card companies," credit card companies play on their Oklahoma City Grateful Debtors is a chapter of Debtors Anonymous. she said. “At this point in her life, I’m optimism. The support group gathers at 6:30 p.m. every Wednesday at the All Souls urging her not to get a credit card, Students have the idea that they’ll Episcopal Church, 6400 N. Pennsylvania Ave. because she’s not responsible enough graduate and immediately start mak- For more information about Debtors Anonymous, visit its website at yet.” ing big money, she said. Often, that’s www.debtorsanonymous.org. Howard said she wouldn’t recom- not true.