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11 Tuesday 7 March 2017 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AUTHORITY HEARING Trans-Tasman Resources Limited Marine Consent Application HEARING at THE DEVON HOTEL, 390 DEVON STREET EAST, STRANDON, NEW PLYMOUTH on 7 March 2017 DECISION-MAKING COMMITTEE: Mr Alick Shaw (Chairperson) Mr Kevin Thompson (EPA Board Representative) Ms Sharon McGarry (Committee Member) Mr Gerry Te Kapa Coates (Committee Member) Hearing Proceedings Day 11 Tuesday 7 March 2017 Time Name Representing Topic Documents Submitted / Transcript Ref. Presented Page no's 9.04 Alick Shaw - DMC Chair Opening 1199 9.05 Dr Will Edwards Te Korowai O Representation 1199 Ngāruahine Trust 9.27 Cassandra Crowley Te Korowai O Representation 1206 Ngāruahine Trust 9.37 DMC Questions 1208 10.02 Phil McCabe KASM 1216 10.05 Cassandra Crowley and Dr Te Korowai O Closing statement Will Edwards Ngāruahine Trust 10.14 Karen Pratt Representation Presentation 1219 A quick introduction to begin NZ 45 Cape Egmont to Rangitikei River map 10.44 Morning break 1229 11.06 DMC Questions 1229 11.19 Fred McLay Taranaki Representation 1234 Regional Council 11.25 DMC Requested Mr McLay to 1236 expand on section 44 request from TRC 11.27 DMC Questions 1239 11.50 Harry Duynhoven Representation 1245 12.03 Break 1249 12.07 Catherine Cheung Climate Justice Representation NZ minerals permits - three 1249 Taranaki slides for presentation Hearings statement 12.23 DMC Questions 1254 12.29 Lunch break 1256 1.18 Nicola Patrick Representation 1256 1.29 DMC Questions 1260 1.39 Dr Lyndon DeVantier Climate Justice Representation Presentation by Climate Justice 1263 Taranaki Taranaki Inc Five slides for presentation 1.58 DMC Questions 1270 2.02 Roger Malthus Representation 1271 2.21 DMC Questions 1277 2.35 Bruce Boyd Representation EPA Presentation photos 1283 Map TTR photos Video 2.51 DMC Questions 1289 Devon Hotel, 390 Devon Street East, New Plymouth 07.03.17 2.53 Barbara Hammonds Nga Motu Marine Representation New Zealand Journal of Zoology 1290 Elsie Smith Reserve Society Rocky Shore Monitoring Report 2008 - 2015 TTRL NMMRS presentation 3.12 DMC Questions 1296 3.22 Malibu Hamilton Te Ngaru Roa ā Representation 1300 Maui 3.37 Afternoon break 1305 3.55 DMC Housekeeping 1305 3.58 DMC Questions 1306 4.03 John Milnes Representation 1308 4.15 DMC Questions 4.16 Sheryl Hart Raglan Sport Representation 1312 Fishing Club 4.24 DMC Questions 1315 4.33 Alessandra Keighley Representation 1319 4.41 DMC Questions 1321 4.41 Ruakura Waitai Representation 1322 4.57 DMC Questions 1326 5.02 Tanea Tangaroa Representation 1327 5.19 Mita Davis Representation 1330 5.31 Rochelle Bullock Reina Bennett Te Representation 1333 Kopere o Raehina Devon Hotel, 390 Devon Street East, New Plymouth 07.03.17 Rongoa 5.54 Break 1138 6.09 Harmony-Charm Carkeek- Representation 1139 Edwardson 6.21 Ian Steele New Plymouth Representation 1342 Sportfishing and Underwater Club 6.31 DMC Questions 1345 6.36 Andrew Purser Pātea and Representation 1347 Ted Gane Districts Boating Club 6.45 DMC Questions 1351 6.46 Vera Van Der Voorden Representation Statement of evidence 1352 6.58 DMC Questions 1356 6.59 Heather Cunningham Representation Statement of evidence 1356 7.22 June Penn Ra Puriri Representation 1362 7.38 Adjourned 1368 Devon Hotel, 390 Devon Street East, New Plymouth 07.03.17 Page 1199 [9.04 am] MR SHAW: Good morning everybody, just an announcement before we open today's hearing. At the moment, the Thursday hearings are scheduled 5 to begin sometime after 10.00 because we have one of our members with a meeting that morning. Things have been re-organised and we now expect that we'll be able to start -- in fact, not expect, we will be starting at 9.30 which will give everybody a bit of head space on the last day of the hearings here in New Plymouth. I've got no other 10 announcements, no procedural matters that I wish to announce. Anything from any of the parties? Mr Holm? [9.05 am] 15 MR HOLM: No, sir. Thank you. MR SHAW: Other counsel? No. All right, well that being the case we will begin with Te Korowai O Ngāruahine Trust. Who is appearing there? Ms Crowley, Doctors Tester and Edwards? 20 DR EDWARDS: Just Dr Edwards. MR SHAW: Just Dr Edwards, okay. All right. And this is a representation, Dr Edwards, is that right? 25 DR EDWARDS: Yes. MR SHAW: Okay. Well, if you would just introduce yourself and we will begin. 30 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) Just by way of explanation to the Panel, I acknowledge Te Āti Awa. I'm not doing my brother-in-law's job here as the interpreter. The Ngāruahine submission has not yet begun. 35 (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: My acknowledgments to Te Āti Awa who laid down the mat of speaking yesterday. 40 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: I acknowledge also the peaceful tone that was set in terms of taking to one's enemy with peaceful thoughts of mind, and so this 45 is Ngāruahine supporting that concept. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) Devon Hotel, 390 Devon Street East, New Plymouth 07.03.17 Page 1200 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: We do not consider these people behind us to be our enemies but, rather, the abuse of the environment; that is our enemy. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 5 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: And so we take on that enemy with thoughts of peace and love and we establish our credentials in terms of our whakapapa, our genealogical tables. 10 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) [9.10 am] INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: Mr Edwards has just recited the whakapapa, the lineage, 15 from Te Atua, that is the realm of the Gods coming down to us, humanity. Kia ora. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 20 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: So at this point I will follow on from the footsteps of my senior tribal counterparts from the Whanganui area in terms of our presentation. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 25 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: And, finally, also from the presentation, the deep kōrero, deep explanations that were given by Ngā Rauru and Ngāti Ruanui yesterday. 30 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: And so it is appropriate that that genealogy be recited. There is a genealogy that is recited within our kōhanga reo, our schools of learning for our younger children. 35 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: So the realms of deeper knowledge have already been delved into by those who presented yesterday. At this point in time 40 my focus -- our focus, will be on the effects, the impacts of this particular kaupapa on our children, on our grandchildren and descendants. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 45 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: Within this genealogy Rongo is the elder. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) Devon Hotel, 390 Devon Street East, New Plymouth 07.03.17 Page 1201 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: In saying that, though, we also lay out the specific kōrero for Tangaroa the deity of the ocean. 5 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: And then down to us, humanity living upon the face of the earth. 10 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: From a Māori world-view perspective all of these things are connected. 15 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: Aotea's world-view perspective was laid out yesterday and today also. 20 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: So I say here today that is correct, that Ngā Rauru and Ngāti Ruanui and Ngāruahine be the ones to present our kōrero, our history on Aotea. 25 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: It is totally inappropriate for someone from outside of our region to present those particular kōrero to you. No matter how 30 factual and accurate it may be, it is still inappropriate. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: So that individual concerned, even though they may be 35 connected to us through other lines of descent and lineage, leave Aotea to talk about Aotea. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 40 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: And so let me return to aspects of the karakia that was recited this morning, that karakia being one to acknowledge the morning dawn. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 45 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: Te Haeata Te Ata refers to the morning sun as if a child is looking out from one's house towards the sun rising above the horizon. Devon Hotel, 390 Devon Street East, New Plymouth 07.03.17 Page 1202 [9.15 am] DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 5 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: Likewise, with a child who is looking into a house and is seeing a different kind of dawn emerging from within that house of discussion. 10 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: So leave it for the ever shining sun Hei to being enlightenment, to bring clarification; so here we are, Aotea, bringing that clarification to you today. 15 DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: So in terms of bringing that enlightenment leave it for Aotea to bring that enlightenment, to bring that clarification in 20 regards to our environment. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: It is best left for the elder sibling, rather the younger sibling, 25 to address those matters. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: The report that was presented, the information that was 30 contained within, was retrieved mainly from text from books. We consider it to be a bastardisation of the true knowledge. DR EDWARDS: (Māori content) 35 INTERPRETER Mr Hammond: If it has come from a book it is merely a bastardisation. It is not based on our houses of discussion, our houses of true learning.
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