4186 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY '5 By Mr. CANNON of Wlsconsin: Resolution to vote for this measure. [Applause.] Mr. HOFFMAN. Yes. . 1 The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from North Mr. LUCAS. I am wondering whether the gentleman 1s Carolina has expired. about to advocate the Townsend philosophy. Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 Mr. HOFFMAN. Well, I never did, and I have not seen minutes to the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. HoFFMANL any reason to change my mind, although I know a lot of Mr. HOFFMAN. Mr. Chairman, since coming down here fellows who are getting in under cover and soliciting that · in 1934 my vote has been persistently and consistently cast Townsend vote, and may God be with them. for economy and against spending money and, in view of This bill is bad for three reasons. the conduct of other Members, I am getting weary of it. In the first place it does not promote that economy which It has finally dawned upon me that in order to be reelected we know to be necessary. It is an appropriation of $2,- I must get some votes somewhere from someone, and if one 500,000 not only for 1 year but for each continuing year has but little merit of his own, votes must be obtained by until the bill is repealed, and we all know the difficulty we doing favors for one's constituents. The usual and the cus have in repealing legislation of this class. tomary way employed by Farley and the President seems to I have a wood lot. Is there any reason, if I wish to cut oft' be to enact legislation which will give someone something that timber and sell it and not replant, why I should ask the having care that that something be taken from someone who Government to, or why the Government should, replant it has little political inftuence-and I say to my brothers on for me, make it again a wood lot? Is there any reason why the minority side over here that I am getting very, very tired my neighboring taxpayers, after I have harvested the crop of voting against appropriations all of the time, so that you of timber from my land, should again set me up in business may gain political credit, fix your political fences, and pose at their expense? 1937 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-- HOUSE 4199 The President said in Wisconsin that we should not rob And along one of our trout streams, Bear Creek, where Peter to pay Paul. We have robbed a multitude of Peters it is crossed by one of the main highways, they have built to take care of the Pauls since he made that statement. a nice little path, bordered by stone, sodded in the middle so A second reason why this bill should not be passed is that that the trout fishermen may not get lost. it is just one more step toward a dictatorship. Perhaps you Nor is that the only way they do business in that country. think that I do not know what I am talking about. Let me Here is something which should make you think. This is read to you from one of those rehabilitation contracts which from a lady whose husband is 73 and she is 55. It is from were issued by the Government up in my State. Now listen Dowagiac, Mich. Her husband had a W. P. A. job. There to this-if this is not the most vicious, unfair, and liberty were 20 on the job. This was just before the primary last destroying proposition that could be made, then I know not year. Nineteen of the 20 asked for Republican primary how to put such a statement into words. ballots. Nineteen of them were laid off 3 days after elec It is a proposition to induce a man to sell .himself into tion. [Laughter and applause.] Fine, was it not? It served slavery. It is the way by which the Government, through them right. Sure. The public's money. [Laughter.] You grants of public funds, induces a man to sign away his fellows, instead of buying votes like you used to do with your liberty. Here is what those unfortunates who were required own money, used -the taxpayers' money to do it. May God by their necessities to borrow money of this Government help you. [Laughter and applause.] And that is one of were required to sign: the ways by which the President obtained his "mandate." I agree that any time prior to the final liquidation of my loan Think of it. This lady writes me that she and her hus from ·the Rehabilitation Corporation to do nothing that is in band-remember he was 73 and she was 55-were allowed opposition to the A. A. A. program. $8.12 for 2 weeks from the relief funds. Neither wanted You borrowed a dollar, and you had to sign an agreement relief money. Both wanted work for the husband, but after that you would not say a word against the Triple A. You he called for a Republican ballot in the primary he and want to know what that has to do with this bill? Over the others ·were laid off and the project is still unfinished. here on the second page we find these words: This is the information related in her letter. Then she And to enter into cooperative agreements for the establish calls attention to some of those who were in greater favor, ment, protection, and care of the farms-- who carried away grapefruit in grain sacks, and that a cer And so forth. To obtain a benefit under this bill a farmer tain class obtained almost anything they wanted. is required to sign a contract in the form offered by the I do not give this lady's name for the reason that if it Secretary of Agriculture, and we know from past experience, went back home they might even take from her and her from the illustration cited above, what he will require. aged husband the small sum which they are now getting. What kind of a contract will they tender? The farmer She sa-ys her husband has voted and worked all his life, has to sell his right to cultivate, to harvest, to control his kept free from debt, and he wants to know where I :find the own land-just as he did in the wheat and corn-hog con justice in such governmental activities. Is it any wonder tract, and let someone in Washington attend to his business that she thinks they have been forsaken, and I wonder what on the farm. she thought as she read of the President's $100-a-piate The 1st of May between 50 and 60 fellows up in Flint, who dinner. had no business there, walked into one of the J. C. Penney The third reason why this bill should not be passed is stores and took possession. because we already have national legislation designed to The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Mich- carry out the purpose of the bill; that is, to reforest lands igan has expired. · adaptable for that purpose, and in the State of Michigan we Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield the have a department from which one can purchase trees at gentleman 3 minutes more. nominal cost for reforestation. Mr. HOFFMAN. This was after our Governor Murphy The purpose of this bill is worthy, but that purpose can had stopped all these strikes. This was just a little belated be attained with the agencies which we now have in State "tea party" which they held in that store. When the Fed and Nation, and the bill would but make another appropria eral Government and the State Government will let out- - tion, permit the Secretary of Agriculture to use the taxpay siders walk into a place of business and take possession and ers' money to purchase land for nurseries and for reforesta do nothing to put them out, as was done in Flint on May 1, tion, and it would interfere with the business of those en then I do not want to trust this Government of mine with gaged in the growing of trees as a commercial pursuit. any more power. In particular, I do not want to give this [Applause.] Government authority over the-farmer. I do not care to [Here the gavel fell.l give this Government, the present Secretary of Agriculture, Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, I Yield 5 minutes to the gen power or authority to induce the farmers to enter into a tleman from Michigan [Mr. HooK]. contract which will deprive them of their independence, for Mr. HOOK. Mr. Chairman, I believe the two gentlemen upon the independence of the farmer rests the security of from Michigan who spoke on this bill are unduly alarmed. our Nation. The argument they have advanced probably would have I was home a couple of weeks ago. While you gentlemen been applicable several years ago when the Republicans went to New York on Friday and Saturday and to the ball were in charge, handling the extension service and the game on Monday I drove home to see what the folks were agricultural board in Michigan. But, thank God, the peo thinking about. We have one of those resettlement propo ple of the State of Michigan saw fit this spring to put sitions up there. I have here some pictures showing where Democrats in charge of the agricultural board, and you they are planting pine trees. That is constructive, but listen will get an honest administration in that department and to this: Out in these :fields, where the gentleman from llli cooperation that will mean that if this bill is enacted into nois was last year, :fighting that sham battle, and whipping law there will be no waste in the handling of it as far as the Blues or the Reds-! forget which-they are putting in Michigan is concerned. alfalfa. Then they have taken brush and put it out there Mr. HOFFMAN. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? in the fields for shelters for rabbits. [Laughter.] Mr. HOOK. No. Now, one fault I have to find with their activities is that Mr. HOFFMAN. I am very sorry. they did not put any signs on those brush piles to tell the Mr. HOOK. A little later. The gentlemen are unduly rabbits what they were for. [Laughter.] Another illustra- alarmed because of the fact, probably, th.at it was brought tion of New De~l incompetency. Not a sign on a brush pile. to light in a speech I made on the floor on April 24, 1936, [Laughter .J How can the rabbits find them? [Laughter.] that under Republican regime in the State of Michigan Inconsistent. So it goes. the agricultural board and the extension service vlere so 4200 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE MAY 5 rotten that certain officials connected ,with that organiza Mr. MICHENER. The Democratic State chairman is in tion were guilty of the theft of $8,000 of R. 0. T. C. funds. State's prison [laughter], and so is Senator Wilkosky. We What happened? You cannot deny it. may. now get some honesty in the Democratic Party. Mr. HOFFMAN. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. HOOK. When we find rotten Democrats we send Mr. HOOK. No; I do not yield. them to prison, . but the Republicans did not dare do it · Mr. HOFFMAN. You say we cannot deny it. . [laughter and applause], because their whole party would Mr. HOOK. I will tell you the story. Probably you do have gone to jail. not know it. . . . Mr. HOFFMAN. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Mr. HOFFMAN. Let me ask you a. question. . [Here the gavel fell.] Mr. HOOK. I do not yield. These cases of li~l ~nd Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 additional minutes graft: and political protection were dealt with in det~il by to the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. Hoox1. me, as I mentioned, in an address on the floor of Congress Mr. HOOK. I yield to the gentleman from Michigan. o·n 4pril 24, 1936. I will not take your time here to cover Mr. HOFFMAN. Why did you not send some rotten Re all the charges, but will say that President R. S. Shaw was publicans to jail; why be so one-sided? acquainted with the irregularities in the handling of ·col Mr. HOOK. Under the rotten one-man grand-jury system lege funds and was acquainted with· the fact of theft of when you people .were in charge . you could not get a con $8,000 from the military supplies fund in 1932. However, viction. • in 1936, after my speech on the floor of the House, the Mr. HOFFMAN. The Democrats are in charge in Michi State board of agricUlture ordered the arrest of a military gan; does not the gentleman know that? Why do they not sergeant in connection with this theft, although previous to send them to jail? The Democrats are there, but where are this time the officials of the Michigan State College and the Republicans? members of the board of agricultUre, protected by a one Mr. HOOK. The Democrats put them in jail; the Repub man grand jury's decision of Judge Leland W. Carr, at licans did not put them there. Frank McKay would not dare which time the facts were misrepresented by a special as send anybody to jail. sistant attorney general, Joseph Baldwin, covered up these Getting back to the bill, Mr. Chairman, under a Republican irregularities. Dr. Frank S. Kedzie, an illustrious former regime every other section of land in the Upper PeninsUla president. of the Michigan State College, was discharged was given by the Federal Government to private corporations for objecting to what he termed "racketeering" in connec through a land grant in the early eighties. What happened? tion with ·the operations of the music institute and college The timber companies then, without any regard to the future, matters by Lewis E. Richards, who is still at the Michigan denuded our forests and let the cut-over lands go back to State College. These irregUlarities were proven and some the State for nonpayment of taxes. We need a bill such as of them adjusted. The irregularities were so pronounced this to reforest the lands that have gone back to the State that at a State convention of the Republican Party a of Michigan because of these delinquent taxes. We want member of the State board of agriculture was to be nomi to reforest these lands and at least build them up to the point nated. A man by the name of Rogers was a candidate where they will be of some good to us. We are going to against Gilbert Dane, who was a banking partner of Sena reforest the lands that the Republicans gave away to private tor VANDENBERG, of Michigan. Mr. . Rogers was outspoken parties for political reasons without any payment to the in his condemnation of the illegal and dishonest practices Government or the people. [Applause.] in the Michigan Agriculture Department and the Michigan [Here the gavel fell.] State College. During the course of the convention, when Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 the votes were being counted between the two candidates, minutes to the gentleman from New York [Mr. CULKIN]. Mr. Rogers was running ahead of Gilbert Dane. Immedi Mr. CULKIN. Mr. Chairman, I have no question about the ately the chairman of the convention declared Gilbe1·t Dane high idealism and high purpose motivating this bill. I am nominated, and ·one of the henchmen arose on the floor of obliged to oppose it, however, because I have read with great the convention and moved the convention adjourn. The care the advisory and warning messages which the President motion was carried, the counting went on, Rogers received has sent to Congress on the need for retrenchment. more votes than Gilbert Dane, still Gilbert Dane was the May I say that today in the United States the storm signals nominee so declared by the Republican convention. The are flying, and that unless this Congress makes valid, ade case was. carried into the courts, and the Supreme Court of quate, and necessary retrenchment we are on the verge of an Michigan ruled that the courts could not tell any political party how to choose their candidates, and against the pro inflation which will destroy everybody in America, whether tectors of these . rackets were in the saddle. Gilbert Dane be lives on the farm or in the city. was e!ected and served as a member of the State board of Last week we had before our committee at a hearing on the agriculture. He was a candidate on the Republican ticket Bonneville project the distinguished Governor of Oregon, a this spring, and the voters of the State of Michigan de former Member of this House. I have always been for Bon feated him and named two Democrats on the State board neville; it is a sound navigational and power development. of agriculture, so we will have an _honest government and The Government has spent $47,000,000 on that project, but the political racketeering on the State board of agriculture we are now asked to come in again and manage it, to build and the Michigan State College, a land-grant college, will power lines, and to spend another great sum on it. In con be stopped. nection with that hearing I asked the Governor of Oregon Mr. HOFFMAN. Mr. Chairman, a point of order. The if the political subdivisions of his State had balanced their gentleman is not speaking on the bill. budgets, and the forceful Governor said: "By God, they have; The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will proceed in order. they have to." Mr. HOOK. The Supreme Court of the State of Michi I asked him if the State of · Oregon had balanced its gan handed down an opinion ·~hat the court had no right budget. to lay down the rule as to how any party was going to He said: "You bet your sweet life I have balanced that nominate a candidate. budget." That is why I say that now that we have the Republicans I then asked: "Why do you come here to get this addi out and the Democrats in office in Michigan we are going tional fund out of the Federal Treasury which has now a to give the people an honest administration. This bill will deficit of $4,000,000,000?" The general was noncommittal. be administered in cooperation with an extension service That is the argument ·against thi8 bill in brief. Our na and with a board of agriculture and a· land-grant college in tional Budget is unbalanced. May I say that I believe that, Michigl\n that is going to be free from that kind of graft unless this Congress comes to its senses and does in fact which i just mentioned. retrench, it spells the end of popular government in these Mr. MICHENER. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield United States. It gives verity to the statements to Mussolini for a question? and Hitler that popular government jn its popular branches Mr. HOOK. I yield. is incapable of adequate and proper administration of public 1937 · .. CONGRESSIONAL-RECORD-HOUSE 4201 affairs. When the end of the present form of :government tree and sprig that they have on land which is not cultivated. - •' comes, as come it will, if the Congress shows its inability to . They do not require the supervision of Government in ban- · control the purse strings of the .Nation within the limits of dling their small wood lots. decent and honest administration, the blood will be on the [Here the gavel fell.] head of this Congress. Localities must be forced to cease Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to too their raids upon the Treasury then. Unless this is done will gentleman from Oregon [Mr. PIERCE]. come inflation, and following that will come a sure develop Mr. PIERCE. Mr. Chairman, may we not come back now . ment of fascism in America. from the Bonneville proposition, Michigan politics, and sit I ask you to defeat this bill. It is not necessary, and is in down strikers and talk a little about this bill? No country large measure surplusage. · I ask you to do with this legisla on earth ever had such an inheritance of timber as the tion what has been done with the education bill and the American people. This country had forests from ocean to housing bill, two bills of .vastly greater need tha.IJ. this. Vote ocean and from the North to the South. No nation has . it down in the interest of sorely needed economy in govern been as reckless with its beautiful trees as the American ment. [Applause.] people. I represent a State that has more standing trees . [Here the gavel fell.J today than any State in the Union, and more trees that have Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 merchantable lumber than any other State. We can grow minutes to the gentleman from Michigan [Mr. CRAWFORD]. a tree qUicker than any other part of the country except . Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Chairman, in this Michigan field perhaps parts of the South. day I shall try to stick to some of the provisions in the - This bill is not another Clarke-McNary bill. It merely bill. With reference to reducing governmental expendi supplements that law and reaches into places which do. not_ tures, I feel that I am in duty bound to suggest that the benefit by it. It is not duplication. This bill was thoroughly reduction start in agriculture as quickly as in industry, or considered by our committee, and there was no opposition. . in industry as qUickly as in agriculture. I do not think I · First, it is necessary that we take care of our trees. There. should make any choice as to where retrenchment should is not a civilized country on earth except America that does · begin. not plant one, two, or three trees whenever they cut one tree . In looking over this bill and studying the wide-scope of down. I have reference to Norway, Sweden, Finland, Ger its authority, and speaking from some little experience, I many, and France. The trees in these countries are pro am under no delusion as to what $2,500,000 will do when tected. We in this country have been very negligent with it is handled by men to set up divisions of Government and our forests. If I were from the State of Michigan, which provide service to the people. I cannot conceive that the State has had magnificent forests, I would be ashamed to _ $2,500,000 authorized in this bill will accomplish anything make the speeches which certain gentlemen from that at all of any consequence with reference to producing or State have made today against this bill. I hope the bill will procuring trees, making necessary investigations, leasing pass by a good margin. and purchasing lands, when scattered over 48 States and Mr. Chairman, what does this bill do? It simply says to . 2 or 3 Territories. In looking over the committee report I the Secretary of Agriculture, "You may cooperate, through find that Mr. Brown's letter was dated April 9, 1937. the various departments of the Government, with people who That was certainly before the President's message on will take some interest in trees." economy, and I do not believe any statement has been made The farmers need education in forestry. The men out on since, as brought out in the discussion. Whether the Presi the ranches who neglect the opportunity to plant trees along . dent recommended this or not, the Members of the House running streams need education. We have mills running in should have common sense enough to know that, together Oregon that are run on a perpetual cut. They can run with the other agencies that move in the direction of this forever, because the trees are growing as fast as they are bill and the other appropriations which have been made, cut out. However, many of our mills will be idle in a few the money of which is being expended, this is no time to years. Where is the timber to come from? Much of it proceed with this kind of additional service. In this day of must come from these farmers' tree lots. There is no better political revolution, religious revolution, and labor revolu opportunity to start than now. tion I cannot understand why the Members of this House The Clarke-McNary bill does not reach the class this bill continue to go down there in the Well and preach the gospel will reach. The Forest Service will keep in touch with these of the Government "giving" things to our people who are tl:ees. The bill will not seriously affect the nurserymen. in the position to earn money, produce goods, and-sell on Mr. DOXEY. Will the gentleman yield? the present price level which prevails in this country. . To Mr. PIERCE. I yield to the gentleman from Mississippi. me it is unso.und. I think· it is unfair. I think it is highly Mr. DOXEY. May I say in connection with the gentle- destructive to our form of government. We can continue man's statement there has been $70,579 appropriated to · to go along and try to. preserve an individualistic, demo carry on the Clarke-McNary bill, and the gentleman knows cratic form of government or we can move-further, further, as well as I do that will not result in very much good. and further toward State control and State ownership.- Mr. PIERCE. Mr. Chairman, I can go along with any - I cannot agree with the. proposition that ha~ so often Member so far as economy is concerned. I am willing to · been submitted from our side of the aisle that the Govern vote for almost any drastic cut. But here is a place where ment should release funds promiscuously without .supervi there is no harm in an authorization, and it is a place · we sion by Government. If we are to look to the Government cannot afford to cut. We must do everything possible. to for our sustenance, for our dollar exchange, then by all help our farm interests. The criticism that has been aimed means let us submit ourselves to the strict supervision of ·at the farm program I think is ill-advised. As those who - Government. have studied the matter know, it was the Triple A that So far a.S I am concerned, I do not think we should go to started the wheels going in the West and started the progress Government; but if we do go to Government, we should sub that we have made from the deep depression of 1933. mit to Government rules and regulations. If we ask the Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Will the gentleman yield? Government to give us this, that, or the other, by all means Mr. PIERCE. I yield to the gentleman from Minnesota. we should be willing to enter into cooperative agreements with Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Does the gentleman have our master, the Government, and submit to whatever rules any assurance that the Appropriations Committee will pro-· and regulations may be imposed upon us. If we are going to vide the necessary funds to cover this authorization? give this to the people, then let them conform to whatever we Mr. PIERCE. I think so. say they should do. Mr. A.J.'IDRESEN of Minnesota. The gentleman knows we I represent a district that is a cut-over timber district. I have been trying to get an appropriation to carry out the am familiar with the wood lots of the farmers, because. I grew provisions of the Fulmer Act passed some 3 years ago, but up out in the prairie country where there were no trees, and every year the Appropriations Committee has refused to I have a lot of respect for trees. I see them go in there and ·make the appropriation under that authorization. · carefully select the woods. I see them try to consel've every [Here the gavel fell.] 4202 CONGRESSIONAL .RECORD-HOUSE M:r. ANDREsEN· of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield ·s· tree planting. · First :vou will plant another bureau in Wash minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. GIFFORD]. ington, at considerable cost, and then send out a lot of Mr. GIFFORD. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent agents to advise farmers. Is it possible that the farmer to revise and extend my remarks, and include a few words does not now know what trees to plant on his farm? What on an unrelated· subject. ·· · a farmer, if he is lacking in this simple knowledge. Not The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the many trees could actually be planted with only $2,500,000, gentleman from Massachusetts? as you know. Supervision and advice and cost of the There was no objection. · bureau will eat it all up before the actual trees could arrive. Mr. GIFFORD. Mr. Chairman, under the privilege of ex All I have to say is, Your leaders tell you you do not have tension I shall comment briefly on an unrelated subject any money. We ·on this side are willing to listen to them which may be of interest-the smearing of red paint on the and have been aware of this condition for some time. Your Plymouth Rock. The remarks will be made on request, and spending frolics are apparently over. the act .itself has been likened to an offense such as the THE SMEAIUNG OF PLYMOUTH ROCK painting red of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. It would Much interest has been manifested the last few days 1n seem to be ·comparable. the act of vandalism on May 1 desecrating tlris famous na I have possibly spoken often· enough on the matter .of · tional shrine. A huge red smear completely covered the economy. But during the last 2 or 3 days certain speeches inscription "1620" on the rock. Workmen have tried vainly have been ringing-in my ears, as they have in yours, such as to remove the smudge by the use of paint remover and tur the one which was made by the Senator from South Caro pentine. Chemists must be consulted in seeking a success lina over the radio very recently, in which he acknowledged ful method of removing the paint, which has trickled into that he now realizes the great dangers immediately ahead the small cracks. Indignation is rife. No American sylilbol if.we further strain the national credit. This tree planting and shrine is more significant or more revered in this Nation. may be a good investment. I know of a few good invest Of course, it cannot be wondered at that suggestions were ments I should like to make, but I have no money. Neither immediately made that the act might well have been com has the Government. Therefore, this investment is impos mitted by Communists or by some of those who have no sible save by further jeopardizing the national credit. respect for ·our form of government. Of course, too, such I am amused that, after all these many months, the great suggestions have been repudiated by officials identified with abyss has not previously been discovered. I read the other the Communist Party as irresponsible statements. Certainly day of certain oratory equal to the oratory of the gentleman it is a sneer at the ideals and institutions built, in part, at from Virginia [Mr. WooDRUllrl], or that of the Senator from least, upon the rock. I make no claim or suggestion of my South Carolina. That orator was gazing into the great abyss own that Communists are respQnsible for the actual doing of the Grand Canyon and expressed his feelings by saying of this act, but their activities and teachings certainly lend that it yawned at him. Somebody suggested to him, "Was _ comfort to those minds in which seed is planted, leading to not that abyss yawning before you came?" Others have seen such contemptible and unpatriotic gestures. Let us hope this yawning financial abyss, but your leaders seem to have that the perpetrators will be run down and that it can be discovered it but very recently. It is rather interesting to shown that it was simply the act of mischief-minded persons some of us, who have pictured the water hole of inflation only. However, this shocking act of disrespect should arouse and debt to you and warned you of how close to it you have patriots to resist the spread among our youth of doctrines been skating these many, many months, that suddenly these which tend to arouse a desire to express themselves as being leaders who, without a tremor, voted to delegate to the contemptuous of our Government and its institutions. We President the sums of $4,400,000,000 and $3,300,000,000 to wish to let the Nation- fully understand the humiliation we spend as he might see fit now are frightened about even feel that there could be among us any so depraved as to $2,500,000. But they are your leaders and advisers. Are commit such a sacrilege. It is hard to believe that even they present here today? Are they going to let you pass mischief-loving boys could allow themselves to perform such this measure without any remonstrance? an unpatriotic deed. I am not against this particular bill, although the farmers [Here the gavel fell.l have fared wondrously well in this Congress and will in future Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gen Congresses-far beyond any other classes of our citizens. No tleman from Nebraska [Mr. LucKEYJ. one can refute that. Mr. LUCKEY of Nebraska. Mr. Chairman, it is remark Mr. PIERCE. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? able how some of the gentlemen on the floor get excited . Mr. GIFFORD. I am pleased to yield. whenever a bill in the interest of the farmer or of agricul - Mr. PIERCE. Did not the farmers. start the ball rolling ture comes before us. I recall very well that since the out of the depression when they commenced to buy your . Shipping Board was instituted in 1916 we have subsidized goods? the merchant marine to the tune of $3,000,000,000, and do Mr. GIFFORD. Yes; you have had a lovely time scatter not yet have any merchant marine to speak of. Just re ing money all over this country. Waste and extravagance cently we appropriated practically a billion dollars for the heretofore unimagined! "The moth gets singed in the Army and Navy, for battleships and instruments of destruc :flame, but it has a hot ~ime while it is- in it." How tion, a sum as large as the entire appropriation by Congress ever, the spending spree seems to be all over now. 'Tile prior to 1913. Now we are considering a bill asking for a limit has been reached. At last your own leaders see the small sum for something which will help to relieve flood c!anger and now are pleading with you. The President conditions, dust storms, and droughts, through an appro recently warned -you, and then he fled, leaving you behind priation for the planting of trees. Our trouble in this country to think it over. Perhaps he saw the great abyss before he is that we have cut down our forests, and therefore we are left and is leaving you to struggle and wiggle out of the today bothered with floods, dust storms, and similar condi danger. Some of us, at least, have had but little difficulty tions. This bill is in the interest of the entire Nation. It in visualizing the sad end of this orgy of political spending. will be the first step in reforesting the lands which we de Again I would say that I am not against this particular forested years and years ago. It is a real conservation project, but we do not have a single dollar to put into it. measure. We do not have a single dollar to put into many other, I am for economy with heart and soul, but let us not be and more important, projects. We cannot get the money penny-wise and pound-foolish. Let us save where we ought without borrowing, and we must not borrow more. There to save by cutting out useless expenditures and invest our are other matters which can be mentioned that would mean money so it will bring forth results a hundredfold. much more to the happiness and comfort of our people, Probably no Member of this body is more in sympathy with such as farm tenancy, housing, and other suggested activi this farm forestry bill than I am, and I doubt if there is ties. Those are far more important than this scheme of anyone more anxious to see such legislation enacted into 1937 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 4203 . law. The full importance of this legislation can scarcely be That is a lot of money, to be sure, but is less than one-fourth understood by those of you who come from States where the cost of one of these battleships for which we appro trees grow in almost limitless profusion. When we are used priate with practically no opposition. When you spend to the existence of a thing it is hard to conceive that the money to make money, that is good business, and the ex very commonplace things of our everyday life may be penditure of money for farm forestry is just such an ex practically unknown to those in other areas. The needs for penditure. The most foolish position this Congress could improved farm forestry need not be discussed by me because take would be one of blind pursuit of economy that would I am sure that they are, in a general way, known to the give us a penny-wise, pound-foolish economy. entire membership of this body. I wish to confine my re The President of the United .States submitted to this marks to two subjects; first, the effect of this legislation upon Congress a report of his Great Plains Committee entitled commercial nurseries, and, secondly, the place of this legis "The Future of the Great Plains."· That is an excellent lation in our current drive - toward economy in Federal report, and if there is anything that it shows it is the neces expenditures. sity for a progressive conservation program in the Great · In the Seventy-fourth Congress this bill was subjected to a Plains States. Tree planting in that ·area is- a vital neces complete committee investigation and the commercial nur sity if we are ever to overcome the disastrous dust storms serymen were well represented. That original bill did not and water erosion that is sapping the lifeblood of the richest entirely protect the just interests of the commercial nursery and most productive agricultural area in the United States. men. When this bill was reintroduced in this Congress a It is not a problem that affects only the residents of the change was made in the text to fully protect the nurserymen. Great Plains States, it is a problem that has a tremendous On page 1, line 9, of the present bill the words "each within portent to the populations of both the eastern and western its respective field of activities~' was added after the words sections of the country. Continued crop failures and de "forest agencies." To further strengthen this bill the Senate pleted soil resources will find their effects upon the sections amended the bill after the words "field of activities" by where population is the greatest. The Great Plains area adding the words "according to the statutes, if any, of the comprises o.ne-:fifth of this country's area, one-tenth of its respective States." population, but it produces 49 percent of the foodstuffs of The nurserymen wanted to be sure that their interests our country. were protected so they asked the Chief Forester, Mr. Silcox, This farm forestry bill is not limited· in its application to for a statement of the policy of the Forest Service under this the States in the Great Plains are~it is universal in its bill. To prevent any misunderstanding I will read the exact application. I have cited the conditions in my own region provisions of the statement by Mr. Silcox, as submitted because they illustrate the conditions over a wide range of to me: our States. No one is. more ardently in favor of economy FOREST SERVICE POLICY UNDER THE NORRIS-JONES BILL AND ITS than I am, but I do not want to see the economy practiced RELATION TO COMMERCIAL NURSERYMEN at the expense of one part of the country or at the expense CoMMERCIAL NURSERYMEN: The Forest Service will establish the of one group of our people. A blind reaching for economy following policy in regard to cooperatively grown planting stock to be used in the farm-forestry program under the proposed act: can never be successful. We cannot build up our nationa! (1) When most desirable in the public interest, the Forest Serv wealth by a blind economy program, and we must conserve ice will purchase nursery stock from commercial nurserymen where and protect our resot!fces and make possible the benefits 1t can be obtained in sufficient quantities and at satisfactory prices of a greater agricultural prosperit-y. as compared with the cost of production in public nurseries, and 1s of suitable species, sizes, and seed source, and when not avail [Here the gavel fell.] able in State or Forest Service nurseries. Such stock must be cer Mr. ANPRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 tl.fied as to species, source of seed, top-root ratio, and the loca minutes to the gentleman from Nebraska [Mr. McLAuGH tion of production, and will be purchased on competitive bids (with a maximum price specified which will not exceed the average LIN]. cost of production if produced in public-owned nurseries). Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield the remainder of my (2) The Forest Service will not permit planting stock, coopera time to the gentleman from Nebraska. tively grown under the proposed act, to enter commercial channels Mr. McLAUGHLIN. Mr. Chairman, at the outset I want or to be used for ornamental purposes on private-owned land. Stock grown in any federally owned nurseries acquired under the to express my high regard for the chairman of the sub authority of this act shall be used only in the planting of field committee that has brought this bill before us. Our dis shelterbelts, commercial woodlands, in block plantings for erosion tinguished colleague the gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. and flood control, or for planting of publicly owned lands. (3) The Forest Service w1l1 distribute no stock from public DoXEY] is one of the most hard-working and intelligent nurseries for farm-forestry use that 1s more than 4 years of age or Members of this House. He is constantly working for the more than 5 feet in height above ground. · benefit of agriculture. Also, I may say that, as a native (4) The Forest Service w111 not dispose of less than 500 trees to and a lifelong resident of the State of Nebraska, I have any one individual for any one planting. definite and positive knowledge of the benefits of forestry, The Forest Service clearly states its policy to show that and I yield to none in my respect for the work which the they will not compete with nurserymen in the field of orna Forest Service and the other forestry activities have done mental trees and shrubbery. The Forest Service specifically for my own State of Nebraska; but I am compelled to states that they intend to buy nursery stock from commer oppose this bill. cial nurseries and gives the conditions under which such Much as I believe in forestry, much as I believe in the purchases shall be made. No trees of more than 4 years of benefits which trees have brought to my State and to all the age or 5 feet in height will be distributed. The Forest Serv-· States of the Union, especially in the Middle West, I do not ice will not dispose of less than 500 trees to any one indi believe this bill should pass. vidual for any one planting. Under that statement of policy When this matter was first called to my attention, a there can be little room to criticize this bill on the ground commercial nurseryman ·took it up with me. I did not ac that it will adversely affect the commercial nurseries. One cept his word on it, because I knew he had a personal of the largest nurseries in the State of Nebraska is the Mar interest and naturally might be opposed to it. I did not shall Nursery, located within the congressional district of my accept his statement unqualifiedly, although I had a very colleague [Mr. McLAuGHLIN]. I have here a copy of a letter high regard for this particular gentleman. I took it up written by Mr. Chet B. Marshall on April9, in which he says with the direction of cooperative extension work in agri.: of this bill: culture and home economics of the Agricultural Department This is satisfactory to the nurserymen so far as the results of of the State of Nebraska, and I asked for a plain statement interference with commercial. nurseries are concerned, and we are of how this bill would work in comparison with the Clarke not objecting to the legislation. McNary Act, which is now in effect and bas been for many Briefly consider this farm forestry bill from the standpoint years. I am going to address myself directly to the subject of economy. The program outlined calls for the expenditure matter of the bill. I am not an expert on forestry and I do of twelve and one-half million dollars over a. 5-year period. not pretend to speak as such. I shall speak through the 4204 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE :MA:{~ agent in Nebraska who has administered the Clarke-Mc owe a cent. We pay as we go. When- I compare a biD, suc1l ' Nary Act in that State. When I wrote him and asked as the one now under consideration, providing for an annual' him about the operation of the Clarke-McNary Act in appropriation of $2,500,000, with the work which the Agri- ~ Nebraska and requested his views on the present bill, I re cultural Department is now doing in my State at a cost of ' ceived a letter from him which arrived just a few days ago. $3,200 a year, I must take my position and stand in favor of• That letter reads as follows: the continuation of the economical program. I take that I have your letter of April 13 requesting information on our position particularly because of the great benefits now being farm forestry program which is operated under the Clarke· derived from the Clarke-McNary law in Nebraska. The McNary Act. people of Nebraska and the other States of the Union are Our project 1n farm forestry was started 1n 1926 and consists of an educational program in forestry and the distribution of receiving these benefits without the establishment of a new planting stock to farmers for establishing demonstrations. The Bureau or the creation of any new appropriation whatsoever. work has been handled by one forestry specialist, assisted by the [Applause.] I heartily favor a constructive tree-farm pro county agricultural agents in their respective counties. The greatest forestry need in this State is more trees on farms gram through continuation ·and extension of the program for windbreaks, woodlots, and the controlllng of wind and water now being so splendidly carried out under the Clarke erosion. Therefore, our project has been developed around a tree McNary law. planting program. The interest in this phase of our extension work is shown by the following record of trees distributed during In my opinion, any further expenditures of Federal funds the last 12 months. should be directed to the enlargement of that economical and efficient operation, rather than to the establishment of Then is set forth a statement of the number of trees a new and costly set-up. planted in each of the years, starting in the year 1926 with Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I yield 33,900 trees distributed, and ending with the year 1937, the remainder of the time to myself. I am pronouncing when there will be distributed in that 1 year in the State of Nebraska under the Clarke-McNary Act, 1,660,000 trees. the benediction on this piece of legislation as far as the Proceeding with the letter- general debate is concerned, because I am interested in the bill itself from many angles, and also because I am inter Since 1927 farmers 1n every county of the State have cooper ated each year. The Federal Government contributes $3,240 per ested in clearing up some of the misunderstandings that year for farm forestry in Nebraska, and our State matches this have taken place in the general debate. In the first place, with an equal amount. there were no hearings held on the bill. Those either for In other words, in Nebraska today there is expended $6,480 or against it were not invited or notified that the bill was a year, and this year there will be distributed in that State, going to be up for consideration in our committee. In fact, under that act, 1,660,000 trees. the members of the committee did not know that the bill Again proceeding with the letter- was coming up .until it was called up here a day or two It has always been my feeling that 1n a program of tree plant· ago for consideration. Then it was acted upon in execu ing on farms, it is very important that the landowner have a tive session, with no testimony either for or against it, and direct interest in the success of the undertaking. To accomplish was reported out of the committee. So that the nursery this we have required the farmer to pay the handling, packing, and shipping charges on the trees he receives. There has been men of the country did not have an opportunity to present no major criticism of this procedure. their argument either for or against it. They had no The free distribution of trees to farmers under such legislation knowledge of it until it had been objected to under unani as the Kincaid Act did not work satisfactorily here in the past. Therefore, if this proposed legislation, H. R. 4728, is to replace mous consent on Monday last, when it was called up for the Clarke-McNary Act and make the shelterbelt project perma· ·consideration. I have received several telegrams from nent for the purpose of continuing agricultural forestry along the nurserymen in opposition to the bill. The only reason that lines it has followed in the Plains States since 1934, I am not sure that it would help our State. The amount of money being spent the nurserymen raised no voice of objection to the bill be each year by the shelterbelt project in six States would indicate fore this time is due to the fact that they were allowed that the $5,000,000 appropriation proposed 1n this bill would not to believe that this legislation would not be brought up in accomplish a great deal when divided among 48 States on the Congress. Their organization had entered into a tentative same basis. I!, however, this proposed legislation had as its purpose the broadening of present cooperative farm forestry pro· agreement with the Forestry Bureau so that in the raising grams, I am sure Nebraska would be benefited by its passage. of seedlings for distribution by various governmental agen The discussion we had in Washington last winter indicated very cies the Forestry Bureau would cooperate, and lease 1and clearly that the major purpose of the bill was to do this very thing rather than create an entirely new set-up. However, I find now in from private nurseries producing stock that woUld be used Report No. 319, Calendar No. 325, of April 9 this year, covering for general distribution. S. 1504, the following statement: I want to say a word right here for the private nurseries. "On page 2, line 20, after the word 'planted', insert a period this and strike out the balance of the sentence down to and including These men engaged in business are farmers. They use the word 'agriculture' on line 1, page 3." large tracts of land in all parts of the country. They em ploy thousands of men and women in the nurseries, and if This is the part stricken out: some gentlemen have been misled by all of the moneys that And the Government shall not contribute to the direct addi· tiona! cost more than 50 percent of the established, ultimate direct the nurseries have been making during the past 2 or 3 additional cost, as determined by the Secretary of Agriculture, of years I just want to say that they are mistaken in that establishing, protecting, and caring for any such tree or shrub apprehension. The nurseries throughout the Middle West plantation in accordance with the conditions and requirements of have been struggling for their lives. They have mortgaged the Secretary of Agriculture. their farms. Many of them have closed down. They have Proceeding again with the letter- willingly gone ahead to try to· cooperate with the Federal This, in my opinion, takes out one of the strong parts of the Government in supplying nursery stock, but still they have bill, that which required the landowner, or the one who is bene· fited, to really make a contribution to the planting. not even had their head above water. They offered to coop. These changes have been responsible !or my change in attitude erate with the Federal Government by leasing the land and toward the bill, because I do not believe the intent · now is to producing the nursery stock. Mr. Silcox, I understand, develop a really cooperative farm forestry program insofar as such promised work with them in that connection, and, there legislation applies to these agricultural States. I have been par to ticularly interested in the growth of our farm forestry project as fore, they believed they had a right to rely upon his a pa.rt of extension work, and I would rather not see any drastic statements to the effect that this legislation would not be change made in the procedure we have followed. The .possibili pressed. Therefore, they made no protest until the last day ties of home and farm improvement by the planting of trees are almost unlimited in our State, but I do think it is a project in or two. · which the landowner must have a direct interest. Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Your interest in this proposed legislation, as well as in agrt. Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Yes. cultural legislation generally, is very much appreciated- . Mr. DOXEY. The gentleman well knows that the Senate And so forth. passed a similar bill to this several weeks ago, and the nur I come from the State .of Nebraska and perhaps that serymen certainly when it was considered in the Senate affects my view. Our State haS no bonded debt. We do not knew it was in the Senate over there and passed. 1937 ' .CONGRESSIONAL RECORD--HOUSE 4205 :Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. I realize that it passed The Clerk read as follows: the Senate. Probably I expose my ignorance when I say Be it enacted, etc., That in_order to a.ld agriculture, Increase farm that I did not know it had passed rlle Senate until it was forest income, conserve water resources, increase employment, and brought up in committee, and probably other members· did in other ways advance the general welfare and improve living con ditions on farms through reforestation and afforestation in the not know it, except possibly the gentleman from Mississippi various States and Territories, the Secretary of Agriculture is author but he is one of the most industrious Members of Congress ized, in cooperation with the land-grant colleges and universities and keeps abreast of everything of interest to agriculture. and State forestry agencies, each within its respective field of activ ities, wherever such agencies can and will cooperate, or in default The nurserymen did not have complete information, and as of such cooperation, to act directly, to produce or procure and dis the gentleman knows many bills have passed the Senate and tribute forest trees and shrub planting stock; to make necessary also this body that we don't know much about. It is pretty investigations; to advise farmers regarding the establishment, pro difficult to keep track of them all. tection, and management of farm forests and forest and shrub plantations and the harvesting, utilization, and marketing of the· Mr. DOxEY. But the nurserymen kept track of it, did products thereof; and to enter into cooperative agreements for the they not? establishment, protection, and care of farm- or other fOrest-land Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. They try to keep track, tree and shrub plantings-within such States and Territories~ and, whenever suitable Government-owned lands are not available, to as most of us do, but it is impossible to keep track of every lease, purchase, or accept donations of land and develop nursery thing. sites for the production of such forest planting stock as is needed Mr. LUCKEY of Nebraska. Mr. Chairman, will the gentle to effectuate the purposes of this act, but not including ornamental man yield? or other stock for landscape plantings commonly grown by estab lished commercial nurserymen, and no stock giown in Government Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. I am sorry, but I have not and cooperating nurseries shall be allowed to enter regular trade the time. I am afraid a good many people are going to be channels. No cooperative reforestation or afforestation shall be disappointed about the administration of this measure. undertaken pursuant to this act unless the cooperator makes avail able without charge the land to be planted and the Government Most of the farmers throughout the country will be led to shall not contribute to the· direct· additional cost more than 50 per believe that they are going to get trees enough to have from cent of the established ultimate direct additional cost, as deter 5 to 10 acres of woodland. Here we have an authorization mined by the Secretary of Agriculture, of establishing, protecting, and caring for any such tree or shrub plantation in accordance with of two and a half million dollars made available for next the conditions and requirements of the Secretary of Agriculture. year. It will take $2,000,000 of that money to set up these There is hereby authorized to be appropriated annually not to nurseries and they will have $500,000 left for distribution, or, exceed $5,000,000 for carrying out the purposes of this act. This act possibly, it will take the entire two and a half million to pay shall be known as the Cooperative Farm Forestry Act. for setting up the nurseries and engaging the personnel. It · With the following committee amendments: will take a large personnel of Federal agents, if they are going Page 1, line 10, after the word "activities", insert "according to the to visit all the farms and make the armngements for setting statutes, if any, of the respective States." aside a certain amount of land, to take care of these trees. Page 2, line 20, after the word "planted", strike out all the balance of page 2 and line 1 on page 3, down to and including the word All of the farmers will not be able to get the benefits of the "Agriculture." bill, and just a certain few who will come within the purview · Page 3, line 3, strike out "$5,000,000" and insert "$2,500,000." of the Federal agents will get advantage of it. Who is going to do the picking, I do not know. It may be they will go out The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the and select those individuals on account of their political committee amendments. affiliations. I hope not, but it is often an important induce Mr. LUCE. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last ment to some to change their political affiliations, if they can word. get a few trees or seeds in order to get something for their Mr. Chairqtan, 2 weeks ago yesterday there came here a own advantage. message that should have heartened ·every citizen of the It is true this bill is only an authorization. You know United States~ In it the President said: · an authorization· does not mean much. I know this au . It is a matter of concern to you and to me who are working for thorization means nothing except that it adds to the amount a balanced Budget that so many special groups exert the strongest pressure to bring about increases in Government expenditures. as will be shown that Congress will have authorized during the first session of the Seventy-fifth Congress. . It is time for the House to look at the record and also The gentleman from Nebraska introduced and passed a time for the country to look at the record. Within 4 hours bill a year ago .providing for an appropriation of $100,000 after that message was received the House authorized giv for a nursery in Nebraska. The Appropriations Committee· ing ·$5,000,000 to a profit-making enterprise in the city of has refused to appropriate .that sum. ·The Fulmer Act was New York for a purpose that was met only. 6 years ago in. passed 2 years ago and. no appropriation has been pro the case of a similar enterprise in Chicago with $1,175,000. vided for that. And so on with many other pieces of legis On -the next day the House voted to create a new bureau lation. I am satisfied the Committee on Appropriations will for handling water pollution, with an authorization of. never give the funds to carry out the authorization in this· $1,000,000 a year for an indefinite period. The House was act. traveling. In conclusion, let me say that I am strongly in favor of . Next came the Agriculture Department appropriation bill, conservation of our forests and other natural resources, where the House took a spurt. In 1937 the expenditures for . but I do not believe that it should. be-a continuous policy of the Department of Agriculture were $783,996,339. · The bill this Government to compete with legitimate priva-te agri that we passed, in spite of the advice and admonition of . culture. The commercial nurserymen should be given the the President, appropriated $932,476,955, plus $23,348 added opportunity to cooperate and share in the conservation pro by amendment for wool-marketing studies. All told, we in gram. They are ready and able . to do so. Their very ex creased in 1 year the agricultural appropriation $143,425,547. istence depends upon sharing in the return of prosperity. . . Then came the War Department bill. Where in 1937, If the Government is to establish nurseries and take over $389,044,859 was spent, our bill called for $416,751,532, an complete distribution of trees, the nurserymen farmers will increase of $27,706,673. The House was still traveling-shall be driven out of business and thousands of farmer laborers l say with or away from the President's advice? now engaged by them will be thrown out of work in many . Here, now, comes another proposal for a new expenditure, parts of the country. along novel lines. The camel may have already put his nose Let me say, further, that the legislation before us is a under the tent, but now he is going to put his head under the duplication of governmental activity. The Clarke-McNary tent. I would not be so inhumane as to say unkind things Act provides for a similar distribution and production of about this infant aborning. Possibly we ought to enlarge trees to farmers and for national and State forests. If the still further the huge family of Government bureaus and funds for the administration of this act are not sufficient, activities. I take the ·floor simply that it may be made a they can be increased by the proper committees. matter of record that at practically every opportunity since The CHAIPw."\1AN. The time of the gentleman from Min the President gave his advice the House has disregarded his nesota [Mr. ANDRESEN] has expired. All time has expired. wish, has delayed the balancing of the Budget, has further 4206 CONGRESSIONAL RE.CORD-HOUSE MAY 5 threatened the welfare of the country, has led us still farther of the President~ message .should be returned for a· second on the road to destruction. report. Mr. FRED M. VINSON. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman Mr. MILLARD. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield yield? for a question? Mr. LUCE. I doubt if I can give the gentleman more useful Mr. COCHRAN. I yield to my good friend from New or interesting information than I have given already, but I York. shall be glad to yield. Mr. MILLARD. Does not the gentleman think that the Mr. FRED M. VINSON. The gentleman failed to mention name of the bill instead of being "To authorize cooperation the deficiency appropriation bill, where the amount appro in the development of farm forestry in the States and Ter priated by the House was some $20,000,000 below the estimates ritories", should be changed to read, "For the development submitted to the Appropriations Committee. of Christmas trees"? Mr. LUCE. Mr. Chairman, it has not been generally known Mr. COCHRAN. That is up to the House. They may that ever sinee the Budget was instituted the Committee on change the titla if they pass the bill because it Is no longer Appropriations has, to its credit, regularly advised reduction on a contribution basis with the committee amendment but of items approved by the Director of the Budget. an outright grant. All that is necessary is to provide the The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Massa land and the Government money does the rest with not a chusetts [Mr. LucE] has expired. dollar from the landowner or the States. I know it is not Mr. COCHRAN. Mr. Chairman, I offer a preferential popular for those from the rural sections to vote against motion. this bill but remember $2,-500,.000 is not enough to take ~are The Clerk read as follows: of all the landowners. Only a f.ew will be benefited and Mr. CocHRAN moves that the Committee do now rise and report those who do not will resent it. You say keep the Govern the blll back to the House with the recommendation that the ment out of business. Well, here is a chance to stop inter enacting clause be stricken out. ference with nurserymen. You hurt one class of men en Mr. COCHRAN. Mr. Chairman, I take the same position gaged in agriculture to help another. That is not good on this bill that I took on the stream-pollution bill last week. business. I hope the committee will defeat the bill by I am not going to talk .about the merits of the pending bill. adopting my amendment. It probably is a meritorious bill as the author maintains. I . Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman. I rise in opposition to the call your attention to the fact that the Bureau of the Budget amendment of the gentleman from Missouri. approved this bill on April 6 at which time the bill provided Mr. Chairman, may I say to the gentleman from Missouri for a 50-percent contribution. · Since then the committee that I can readily understand, of course, that there is nothing has stricken out the 50-percent contribution. personal in his motion. I appreciate the gentleman as much While the bill was approved by the Bureau of the Budget as anybody could appreciate a colleague for his steadfast zeal on April 6 the President sent a message to the Congress in the interest of economy. He knows I am for economy. about 2 weeks later in which he asked the Congress to re May I say further to the gentleman that, although he points frain from passing legislation that ultimately provided for out the fact that the President's message came after the appropriations. He desired to try to balance the Budget. Budget's approval of this bill for $1,000,000 more than it now So do I. We cannot continue forever to spend more than we carries, the bill was passed in the Senate just about the time collect. the President's message on -economy came to Congress. I This bill is another Federal-aid proposition, but there is m~ntain that this is not an extravagant ~xpenditure and more to it than that. It provides for an appropriation of justify it, as I did earlier in the day in my -opening remarks, $2,500,000 not only this year but every year. As I said the on the ground that the money that is spent will be repaid other day, make this authorization and the appropriation many, many fold. I want to go along with the President in will come later and forever continue. I wish some Member his economy program, as I have said many, many times on of the House would cite a Federal-aid project which, once the floor of this House and elsewhere, but I do not understand adopted, has been repealed. The Clarke-McNary Act was a the President's proposed economy program to mean that we wonderful act. Numerous other acts followed the Clarke are not to pass any more legislation in the Seventy-fifth Con McNary Act that increased that contribution. The money gress that carries with it some appropriation. I understand has been well spent. that it means that we should scrutinize carefully such ex The gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. DoxEY], my· close penditures as we do make. I am ·willing for the searcl1Jight personal friend, who is the author of this bill, has been more to be turned upon this bill; I am willing to have it measured than fair to me and my State and I absolutely feel that I am by any rule o:r standard approved by this House. under obligations to him, but I do not think that this is the · I am glad the gentleman from Missouri recognizes that this time to pass legislation of this character. The gentleman bill has the features he so kindly attributed to it, saying it from Mississippi as a member of the commission that had was a meritorious bill. The only real opposition that could to do with allocating money for forest reserves was more arise to the bill, in my judgment, is the fact that it authorizes than liberal to my State. He helped at alt times. There is an appropriation. This, as I say, is a matter entirely for the nothing personal in my opposition to measures of this kind, House at this time to decide. it is simply a desire to try to help the President do what the Mr. Chairman, may I say to the gentleman from Missouri people of this country want us to do, balance the Budget; that it bas been a pleasure to have always cooperated with but we are not going to balance the Budget unless we stop him. I have always found him entirely impartial and passing bills of this character. impersonal. I think, Mr. Chairman, that this is the time to start so · Mr. Chairman, I do not care to prolong the discussion in that the President will know that we are in sympathy with regard to this bill, nor do I wish to cut off debate if the his efforts. The Appropriations Committee is meeting at the Members want to continue the debate, but I do not think present time. What for? To make another relief appro that long discussion will bring about any more intelligent priation, and there is a very strong movement on foot tore understanding than the Members now have in regard to duce that appropriation $500,000,000. Why? Because they my bill. want to reduce expenditures. If we stop authorizing appro Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, will the priations there will not be such a strong desire to cut there gentleman yield? lief appropriation. Mr. DOXEY. I yield. Mr. Chairman, I hope that the House will consider what Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. Does the gentleman have the President said in his message and also consider that the any assurance that the Appropriations Committee will ap recommendation of the Budget approving this bill came 2 propriate the money authorized if we pass the bill? or 3 weeks prior to the time that the bill was reported. I Mr. DOXEY. My distinguished friend who has labored think all bills reported on by the Budget prior to the date so assiduously :with me on the Committee on Agriculture 1937. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 4207 day in and day out, year fn and year out, knows that I Moser, Pa. Reed, ru. Shafer, Mich. Towey Mosier, Ohio Reed, N.Y. Shanley Transue would be the eighth wonder of the world if I could answer Murdock, Utah Rees, Kans. Smith, Conn. Treadway his question. That is a matter for the Appropriations Com Nelson Reilly Snell Vincent, B. M. mittee. I, for one, feel that our committee has all it Norton Rich Somers, N.Y. Vinson, Fred M. can O'Connell, R. I. Robertson South Vinson, Ga. do in attending to its manifold duties. All we can do is to O'Day Robinson. Utah Stack Voorhis authorize. If the House passes our bill and the Appropri O'Leary Robsion, Ky. Taber Wene O'Neal, Ky. Rogers, Mass. Taylor, S.C. Wigglesworth ations Committee appropriates the money authorized, that O'Nelll, N.J. Rutherford Thorn Wllliams is their business; if they do not appropriate, that also is Palmisano Sacks Thomas, N.J. Wolcott their business. So I do not think that the gentleman can Plumley Schaefer, lll. Thomas, Tex. Wolverton Poage Schulte Thomason, Tex. Woodrum expect me to have any knowledge on the subject, even Powers Scrugham Thompson, ill. Zimmerman though he is siricere in his question. Reece, Tenn. Seger Thurston Mr. ANDRESEN of Minnesota. I may say to the gentle NAY~173 man that we have a very fine committee and that we do our Aleshire Dockweiler Kennedy, N.Y. Pearson Allen, Del. Dough ton Keogh Peterson, Fla. work well. Allen, La. Dowell Kerr Peterson, Ga. Mr. DOXEY. I appreciate that statement, coming from A.mlie Doxey Kinzer Phlll1ps Arnold Drewry, Va. Kitchens Pierce such a source as the gentleman from Minnesota, because Atkinson Driver Kleberg Ramsay he is a member of our Committee on Agriculture. Barden Dunn Knutson Ramspeck Mr. Chairman, we have tried to present this bill in as Biermann Eckert Kramer Randolph Bigelow Edmiston Lambeth Rankin fair, as practical, and as logical a way as possible. It is here Binderup Farley Lea Rayburn lrefore you, and I ask that this motion be voted down and Boileau Ferguson Leavy Richards that this bill be passed by this House. I thank you. Boland,Pa. Fitzgerald Lemke Rigney Boy kin Fitzpatrick Lewis, Md. Rogers, Okla. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the motion offered Brown Ford, Miss. Lucas Ryan by the gentleman from Missouri [Mr. CocHRAN]. Buck Fries, ru. Luckey, Nebr. Sanders Buckler, Minn. Fuller Luecke, Mich. Sa.uthoff The question was taken; and on a division (demanded by Burdick Gasque McAndrews Schneider, Wts. Mr. CocHRAN) there were-yeas 68, noes 62. Caldwell Gehrmann McGehee Secrest Mr. DOXEY. Mr. Chairman, I demand tellers. Cannon, Wis. Gildea McGrath Slrovich Carlson Goldsborough McGroarty Smith, Maine Tellers were ordered, and the Chair appointed Mr. CocH Cartwright Green McMillan Smith, Wash. RAN and Mr. DoxEY to act as tellers. Case, S. Dak. Greenwood McReynolds Snyder,Pa. Champion Greever McSweeney Sparlanan The Committee again divided; and the tellers reported Chandler Gregory Mahon, Tex. Spence there were ayes 81 and noes 70. Chapman Grl.filth Mansfield Starnes So the motion was agreed to. Clark, Idaho Griswold Martin, Colo. Steagall Clark, N.C. Hamilton Massingale Stefan Accordingly the Committee rose: and the Speaker having Claypool Bavenner Maverick Tarver resumed the chair, Mr. GREEVER, Chairman of the Committee Coffee, Nebr. Hennings Miller Terry of the Whole House on the state of the Union, reported that Colden Hill, Ala. Mitchell, Tenn. Tolari Collins Hill, Wash. Mott Turner that Committee, having had under consideration the bill Cooley Hobbs Mouton Umstead ., (H. R. 4728) to authorize cooperation in the development of Cooper Hook Murdock, Ariz. Walter Cox Hope O'Brien, lll. Warren farm forestry in the States and Territories, and for other Cravens Hull O'Brien, Mich. Wearin purposes, had directed him to report the same back to the Creal Imhoff O'Connell, Mont. Weaver Crosser Jarman O'Connor. Mont, West House with the recommendation that the enacting clause be Cullen Jenckes, Ind. O'Connor, N.Y. Whelchel stricken out. Cummings Jenks, N.H. Oliver White, Idaho The SPEAKER. The question is on agreeing to the recom.. Deen Johnson, Minn. Owen Whittington Dempsey Johnson, Okla. Pace Withrow mendation of the Committee of the Whole that the enacting DeRouen Johnson, W.Va. Parsons clause be stricken from the bill. Dickstein Keller Patterson The question was taken; and the Chair being in doubt, the Ding ell Kelly,N. Y. Patton House divided, and there were-yeas 87, noes 89. NOT VOTING-98 Mr. MilLARD. Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the Allen, Til. Evans Lesinski Shannon Anderson, Mo. Fernandez Lewis, Colo. Sheppard ground there is not a quorum present. Arends ~annRgan Lord Short The SPEAKER. The Chair will count. [After counting.] Beam ~annery McClellan Smith, Va. Bernard Ford, Caut. Magnuson Smith, W. Va. One hundred and seventy-three Members are present, not Bloom Fulmer Mahon, S.C. Sullivan a quorum. Boyer Gavagan Merritt Sumners, Tex. The Doorkeeper will close the doors, the Sergeant at Arms Boylan, N.Y. Gilchrist Mills Sutphin Brewster Gingery Mitchell, m. Sweeney will notify the absent Members, and the Clerk will call the Brooks Goodwin Nichols Swope roll. Buckley, N.Y. Gray, Ind. O'Malley Taylor, Colo. The question was taken: and there were-yeas 159, nays Casey, Mass. Gray,Pa. O'Toole Taylor, Tenn. Celler Hancock, N. C. Patman Teigan 173, not voting 98, as follows: Citron Barrington Patrick Tinkham [Roll No. 54] Cluett Bartley Pettengill Tobey Cole, Mel. Healey Peyser Wadsworth ~159 Colmer Hlldebrandt Pfeifer Wallgren Allen, Pa. Culkin Gearhart Knifiin Connery Iza.c Polk Welch Andresen, Minn. Daly Gifford Kopplemann Crosby Jenkins, Ohio Quinn White, Ohio Andrews DeMuth Guyer Lambertson Crowe Jones Rabaut Wilcox Ashbrook Dies Gwynne Lanham Crowther Kee Romjue Wolfenden Bacon Dirksen Haines Lanzetta. Curley Kennedy, Md. Sa. bath Wood Barry Dixon Halleck Larrabee Delaney Kocial.kowskl Sadowski Woodrutr Bates Dondero Hancock, N.Y. Long Disney Kvale Schuetz Belter Dorsey Harlan Luce Ditter Lamneck Scott Bell Douglas Hart Ludlow Bland Drew, Pa. Harter McCormack So the recommendation of the Committee of the Whole Boehne Duncan Hendricks McFarlane was rejected. Boren Eaton Higgins McGranery Bradley Eberharter mu, Okla. McKeough The Clerk announced the following pairs: Bulwinkle Eicher Hoffman McLaughlin ·on the vote: Burch Ellenbogen Holmes McLean Byrne Engel Honeyman Ma.as Mr. Arends (for) with Mr. Hancock of North Carolina (against). Cannon, Mo. Englebrlght Houston Maloney Until further notice: Carter Faddis Hunter Mapes Church Fish Jacobsen Martin, Mass. Mr. Taylor of Colondo with Mr. Ditter. Clason ~eger Jarrett Mason Mr. Smith of Virgin1a with Mr. Brewster. Cochran ~etcher Johnson, Tex. May . Mr. Beam with Mr. Short. Coffee, Wash. Forand Kelly, ru. Mead Mr. Cole of Maryland with Mr. Wadsworth. Cole, N.Y. Frey, Pa. Kenney Meeks Mr. Fernandez with Mr. !Ut.rtley. Costello Gambrill Kirwan Michener Mr. Patman with Mr. Allen of lllinois. Crawford Garrett Kloeb Millara Kr. Fulmer With Mr. Tinkham. LXXXI-266 4208 CONGRESSI()~At RRCORlJ-HOUSE MAY 5 Mr. Jones wtth Mr. Wolfenden (Ron No. 55] Mr. Flannagan with Mr. Lord. YEAS-171 Mr. Schuetz with Mr. Gilchrist. Mr. Wilcox with Mr. White of Ohio. Aleshire Drewry, Va. Kitchens Patton Mr. Bloom with Mr. Crowther. Allen, DeL Driver Kleberg Pearson Mr. Smith of West Virginia with Mr. Jenkins of Ohio. Allen, La. Dunn Knutson Peterson, Fla. Mr. Connery with Mr. Woodru1f. Amlie Eckert Kopplemann Phillips Mr. Sumners of Texas with Mr. Cluett. Arnold Edmiston Kramer Pierce Mr. Sutphin with Mr. Tobey. Atkinson Farley Lambeth Ramsay Mr. Pettengill with Mr. Goodwin. Barden Ferguson Lea Ramspeck Mr. Disney with Mr. Welch. Biermann Ford, Miss. Leavy Randolph Mr. Sullivan with Mr. Taylor of Tennessee. Boileau Fries, m. Lemke Rankin Mr. Gray of Indiana with Mr. Kvale. Boland,Pa. Fuller Lewis, Md. Rayburn Mr. Flannery with Mr. Bernard. Boykin Gasque Lucas Richards Mr. Scott with Mr. Allen of Pennsylvania. Brown Gehrmann Luckey, Nebr. Rigney Mr. Nichols with Mr. Polk. Buck Gildea Luecke, Mich. Robinson, Utah Mr. Gavagan with Mr. Mitchell of nunots. Buckler, Minn. Goldsborough McAndrews Rogers, Okla. Mr. Ford of California with Mr. Quinn. Burdick Green McGehee Ryan Mr. Anderson of Missouri with Mr. Healey. Caldwell Greenwood McGrath Sanders Mr. Boylan with Mr. Casey of Massachusetts. Cannon, Wis. Greever McGroarty Sauthofl' Mr. Kennedy of Maryland with Mr. Lesinski. CarLson Gregory McMillan Schneider, Wis. Mr. Sweeney with Mr. O'Toole. Cartwright Griffith McReynolds Secrest Mr. Romjue with Mr. Brooks. Case, S. Dak. Griswold McSweeney Sirovich Mr. Harrington with Mr. Wood. Chandler Hamilton Mahon, S. c. Smith, Wash. Mr. Gingery with Mr. Boyer. Chapman Harrington Mahon, Tex. Snyder, Pa. Mr. Shannon with Mr. Gray of Pennsylvania. Clark, Idaho Havenner Mansfield Sparkman Mr. Rabaut with Mr. Hildebrandt. Clark, N.C. Hennings Martin, Colo. Spence Mr. Sadowski with Mr. Buckley of New York. Claypool Hill, Ala. Massingale Starnes Mr. Sheppard with Mr. Kee. Coffee, Nebr. Hill, Wash. Maverick Steagall Mr. Geller with Mr. Kocialkowskl. Colden Hobbs Miller Stefan Mr. Crowe with Mr. Mahon of South Carolina. Collins Hook Mitchell, Tenn. Tarver Mr. Wallgren with Mr. Pfeifer. Cooley Hope Mott Teigan Mr. Colmer with Mr. Lamneck. Cooper Hull Mouton Terry Mr. Swope with Mr. Lewis of Colorado. Cox Imhoff Murdock, Utah Tolan Mr. Crosby with Mr. Telgan. Craverut Jarman Nichols Turner Mr. O'Malley with Mr. Curley. Crosser Jenckes, Ind. O'Brien, Til. Umstead Mr. Mills with Mr. Peyser. Cullen Jenks, N.H. O'Brien, Mich. Walter Mr. Delaney with Mr. Patrick. Curley Johnson, Minn. O'Connell, Mont. Warren Mr. Evans with Mr. McClellan. De en Johnson, Okla. O'Connor, Mont. Wearln Dempsey Johnson, W.Va. O'Connor, N.Y. Weaver Mr. .ALLEN of Louisiana, Mr. LUCA.S, Mr. CARTWRIGHT, Mr. DeRouen Keller O'Day West Dickstein Kelly, N.Y. Oliver Whelchel HENNINGS, and Mr. DEMPSEY changed their votes from "yea" Dingell Kennedy, N.Y. Owen White, Idaho to "nay." Doughton Keogh Pace Withrow Dowell Kerr Parsons Wood The doors were opened. Doxey Kinzer Patterson The result of the vote was announced as above recorded. NAY&--152 Accordingly the House resolved inself into the Committee Allen, Pa. Eberhs.rter Lanzetta Robertson of the Whole Hous.e on the state of the Union for the fur Andresen, Minn. Eicher Larrabee Robsion, Ky. ther consideration of the bill H. R. 4728, with Mr. GREEVER in Andrews Ellenbogen Lewis, Colo. Rogers, Mass. Ashbrook Engel Long Rutherford the chair. Bacon Faddis Luce Sacks The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the com- Barry Fish Ludlow Schaefer, ru. Beiter Fitzpatrick McFarlane Schulte mittee amendments. Bell Fleger McGranery Scrogham The question was taken: and on a division
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