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1912. VICTORIA. ROYAL COM~IISSION ON RAILWAY AND TRAMWAY SYSTEMS OF MELBOURNE AND SUBURBS. MINUTES OF EVIDENCE AND ~t\PPENDICESo PRESENTED TO BOTH HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT BY HIS EXCELLENCY'S COMMAND. 'lii11 !/IIut1Jority: J. KEMP, GOVERNMENT PRINTER, MELBOURNE. No. 16.-[19s'']-1&998. , .APPROXIMATE COST OF PAPER. £. 6. d. P""pa.re.tion-Not gil"eD. Priu;ing (900 copiel) 758 0 0 . \, r MINUTES OF EVIDENOE INDEX TO WITNESSES. Page Number Name. Capacity. or 01 EvIdence. QuestIons. REPRESENTATIVES OF 1t!UNICIPALITIES. ETC. Akehurst, Alfred W. H. Municipal Delegate, and Secretary of Glen Iris Progress' 615 , 10,331-10,349 League Ball, Robert G. R. Member of the Heidelberg Shire Council 239 3,750-3,927 Beckett, Robert Deputy Chairman. Joint Tramways Conference, &c., 74 894-1,116 Melbourne Boliython, John Lavington Acting Mayor of Adela.ide, South Australia 247 3,952-4,061 Burston, Jamos Ex-Lord JlIayor, City of Melbourne 57 673-893 Cabena, William' White Member of Melbourne City Council J 456 8,055-8,338 1 720 11,826-11,933 Cook, John Hetbert Alderman, MuniCipality of Henley, South Australia 277 4,591-4,745 Cornwall, Frank Member of the Malvern City Council .. 21 230-258 { 93 1,251-1,385 Davies, David Elliott Mayor of the City of Richmond 196 3,053-3,l85 Diddams, Harry J. C... Mayor of the City of Brisbane, Queensland 355, 6,386-6,421 EdIilanson, Robert Arthur Member of the Brighton Town Council 153 2,361-2,407 Fcrdinando, Benjamin James Member of the Moorabbin Shire Council 155 2,408-2,572 Flannagan, Eustace J'.!enotti Hon. Sec., Brighton Beach District Progress Association .. 545 9,421-9,462 Gillott, Sir Samuel Member of the Melbourne City Council 473 8,339-8,413 Green, Matthew Wood Representing Bcaumaris and Sandriogham Districts 245 3,928-3,951 Hall, Percival St. John l-Iember of the Caulfield Town Council 23 259-288 Hayes, William Member of the Northcote Town Council 114 1,574-1,699 Haynes, Sydney Thurston Representing Municipalities of Hawthorn, Malvern, and 608 10,274-10,330 Camberwell Henley, Thomas Member for Burwood, Legislative Assembly, N.S.W. 347 6,207-6,315 Hills, George . , Mayor of the City of ]'ootscTay 140 2,012-2,172 Hiscock, Walter Ex-Mayor of Town of Kew 28 343-366 Hughes, Frederic G. Member of the St. Kilda City Council 16 109-169 Liston, John Jamcs Member of the Williamstown Town Council 622 10,431-10,565 Marschner, Cad Otto Member of the Collingwood City Council 283 4,746-4,919 Merritt, Jamcs Kerr 'Member of the Kew Town Council 29 367-435 Methven, David Member of the Brunswick City Council 103 J ,386-1,482 Milson, Alfred G. 1tfayor of the City of North Sydney, N.S.W. ., 339 6,028-6,206 Nicolson, John G. ~ra.yor of the City of Prahran 19 170-229 Phillips, Robert Member of the Caulfield Town Counoil 202 3,186-3,423 Pointing, Albert ; . Mayor of the City of Paddingtoh, N.S.W. 375 6,785-6,831 Riddell, Walter J. CMre Chairman, Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works 296 5,028-5,169 Robertson, Alfred President of the Shire of Preston 120 1,700-1,784 Rooks, Henry ll'layor of the Town of Camborwell 445 7,776-7,849 Russell, Percy J. President, 1tIunicipal Association of Viotoria 122 1,785-1,991 Showers, Arthur F. Mayor of the City of Essendon 145 2,173-2,360 Smeaton, Thomas H. ~!ember of the House of, Assembly, South Australia 261 ' 4,182-4,284 Smith, Thomas Member of the Port Melbourne Town Council •. 173 2,804-2,899 Springhall, John Alexander }Iember of the Coburg Borough Council 108 1,483-1,573 Swinburne, Thc Ron. George Member of the Legislative Assembly of Victoria, represent. 32 435A-450 ing Electora.te of Hawthorn , Taylor, Allen Arthur Lord Mayor of the City of Sydney, N.S.W. 369 6,659-6,784 Trezise, Francis President of the Shire of Templest6we 440 7,682-7,726 Wilson, Sydncy H. • • Member of the Malvern City Council 606 10.244-10,273 Zerbe, August President of the Shire of Doncaster 290 4,920-4,971 MUNICIPAL OFFICERS. Batson, Arthur Town Clerk and Surveyor, City of Fitzroy 162 2,573-2,803 Calder, William. Engineer of the City of Prahran 306 5,279-5,448 548 9,463-9,671 ( 564 9,672-9,918 Clayton, John Town Clerk of the City of ?tIel bourne i 581 9,919-10,126 I 642 10,855-11,061 l 727 11,934-12,025 Ellery, Torrington G. Town Clerk of the City of Adelaide, South Australia ' 250 4,062-4,181 Gordon, William ~I. .. City Surveyor, Sydney, N.S.W. 365 6,541-6,658 Mountain. Adrian Charles City Surveyor of Melbourne .. 629 10,566-10,674 Nesbitt, Thomas H. Town Clerk, City of Sydney, N.S.W. 397 7,149-7.368 Vialoux, Augustus .. Town Clerk of the City of Paddington, N.S.W. 377 6,832-6,928 RAILWAYS AXD TRA:~IWAYS.-ADMINISTRATIVE. Cameron, Alexander Chairman, Prahran and Malvern Tramwa.ys Trust 24 289-342 { 84 I,Jl7-1,250 Cruickshank, Robert Member, Municipal Tramways Trust, Adelaide .. 2iO 4,392-4,455 Davi3, Septimus Traffic Auditor, Queensla.nd Railways .. 363 6,504-6,540 Fitzpatrick, William Francia Chairman, Victorian Railways Commissioners 33 451-672 { 422 7,586-7,681 Johnston, Tom R.rd' Chief Commissioner, Government Railways IIIlld TrlOmways, 410 7,369-7,585 N.S.W. .11;:;:., I'" INDEX TO WITNESSEs-continued. Page Number Na.me. Capllcl~y. of 01 Evidence• Ques\lon8. RAILWAYS AND TBAMWAys-ADlI!l:NISTRA.TIVE-<mitinued. Mellor,. James T. I ., Member, Municipal Tramways Trust, Adelaide, South 266 4,285-4,391 Australia Molomby,'Thomas Barry Superintendent, PaSBenger Train Service, Victorian Rail 703 11,455-11,600 ways Department Moricrieff, Alexander B. Commissioner of South Austra.lian Railways, and Chairman, 272 4,456-4,590 Municipal Tramways Trust, Adelaide, South Australia Strangward, West Outtrim 'Acting Secretary and the Treasurer, Melbourne Tramways 447 7,850-8,054 Trust Tait, Sir Thom~~ Late Chairman, Victorian Railways CommiSBioners 1-108 PROFESSIONAL. Brain, Orlando William Electrical Engineer, Government Railways and Tramways, 381 ' 6,929-7,1484 N.S.W. Breariy, JOB. H. D.' Civil and Electrical Engineer . ,\ 531 9,182-9,420 Catani, Carlo Chief Engineer, Public Works Department, Victoria 442 7,727-7,775 Cowderoy. George Robert PermancntWay EJ;lgintler, Government Tramways, N's.W. 335 5,939-6,027 Dix, Harry Sydney Engineer and Manager, Prahran and Malvern Tramways 491 8,620-8,824 Trust Duncan, George Smith Consulting Engineer, l'tlelbourne Tra.mways and Omnibus 479 '8,414-8;619 Co. Goodman, William G. T. .. Chief Engineer and General Manager, Adeiaide Municipal { 660 1l,062-1I~175 Tramways 676 11,176-11,224 Jolly, John McCallum .. ItIanager, Electrical Department of the Australian Metal 710 11,601-11,825 Co., Agents for the A.E.G., Berlin Karplus, Walter Chief Electrical Engineer of Railway Departments of 684 11,225-11,454 Messrs. Siemens Bros'., Dynamo 'Vorks, London, &c. Kendall, Alfred W. Representing General Electric Co., U.S.A. ' 749 12,338-12,531 Kneeshaw, John Traffic Superintendent, Government Tramways, N.S.W .. _. 326 5,665-5,938 ' L'Estrange, William M. Secretary and Manager, City Electric Co. of Brisbane, 358 6,422-6,481 Queensland Murdoch, Arthur Douglas Engineer and Manager, North Melbourne Electric Lighting 743 12,192-12,337 and 'framway Co. ROBling, Pcrcy President, Victorian Institute of Electrical Engineers 634 10,675-10,854 { 734 12,026-12,191 Smith, Bernard Alexander Eng!neer 617 10,350-10,430 Stone, William Electrical Engineer, Victorian Railways Department { 498 8,825-8,927 \ 510 8,928-9,066 Turnbull, James Su perin tending Engineer, Melbourne Tramways and 302 5,170-5,278 Omnibus Co. 132 1,992-2,01l Wilson, Reginald P. Consulting 'Engineer (Messrs. Merz and MOLellan, London) 177 2,900-3,052 { 214 3,424-3,749 GENERAL Biggs, Leonard Journalist 314 5,449-5,664 Casey, Richard Gardiner Cllairman, Victoria Racing Club, Melbourne 525 9,067-9,126 Currie, Henry Allan Chairma/l, Victoria Amateur Racing Club, Melbourne 529 9,~37-9,164 Hinton, .John Edward Superintendent, Brisbane Fire BrigaiIe, Brisbane 362 6,482-6,503 Moore, H. Byron Secretary, Victoria Racing Club, ,Melbourne 528 9,127-9,136 Moule, Tilos. Wilde Secretarv, Victoria Amateur ,Turf Club, Melbourne 530 9,165-9,181 O'Callaghan, Thomas Chicf Commissioner of Police, Victoria .. 293, 4,972-5,027 Phillips, Morris M. Vice-President, Australian Natives Association, Victoria 600 10,127-10,243 Webb, Alfred Chief Officer, N.S.W. Fire Brigades 352 6,316-6,385 SYNOPSIS OF E-VIDENCE. REPRESENTATIVES OF MUNICIPALITIES. AKEHURST, A. W. H., Municipal Delegate and Secretary, Glen Iris Progress League, page 615.-Improving Glen Iris train service. BAItL, R G. R, Member Heidelberg Shire Council, page 239.-State v. Municipal control of tramways. Compensation to Municipalities. Criticism' of Municipal Conference scheme. Greater Melbourne Council. Competition between railways and ~ramways. Disposal of tramway profits. Tramways necessary in Ivanhoe and Heidelberg. Necessity of improved travelling facilitics. BEOKETT, R, Deputy Chairman, Joint Tramways Conference, &'c., page H.-State or Municipal control of tramways. Competition between railways and tramways. Compensation to Municipalities if State assumes control. Constitution of the proposed Municipal Trust. Nature of the franchise. Purchase of the M. T. and O. Co.'s lease. Conversion of cable system. Overhead v. conduit electric system. BONYTHON, J. L., Acting Mayor of Adelaide, page 247.-System of Municipal control of tramways in Adelaide satisfactory.