David Kenny, Kelly Yaede, and Edward Gore

TOWNSHIP OF HAMILTON MEETING MINUTES TOWNSHIP COUNCIL

President Dennis Pone Vice President Kevin Meara Council Members: David Kenny, Kelly Yaede, and Edward Gore

Tuesday, July 19, 2011 Workshop (Master Plan) 6:00 PM Agenda Meeting 6:30 PM Public Meeting Immediately Follows

The agenda as it appears was discussed by members of Council along with members of the Administration. Resolution 2aa, Ordinance 3h (11-030), and Resolution 3h1 were added during the agenda session.

Statement of the President

“This meeting is being held with the benefit of public notice as required by the Open Public Meetings Act”

Salute to the Flag

Invocation

Roll Call

Council Members Present: David Kenny, Kevin Meara, Edward Gore, Kelly Yaede, and Dennis Pone

Administration Present: Lindsay Burbage, Director, Department of Law John F. Ricci, Business Administrator

Workshop

Hamilton Township Master Plan – Philip Caton, Clarke, Caton, Hintz

Minutes

Draft Minutes – April 19, 2011 – Agenda and Public Meetings

Communications

1a. Tag Day Solicitation (Retroactive) – VFW Post 491 Annual Poppy Drive held on July 10, 2011.

Consent Agenda

2a. Resolution Consenting To The Appointment Of Lori Danko To The Hamilton Township Economic Development Advisory Commission

2b. Resolution Consenting To The Appointment Of Jose M. Ortiz, Esquire, To The Position Of Bi-Lingual Public Defender

2c. Resolution Of Support From Local Governing Body Authorizing The Sustainable Jersey Grant Funded By Wal-Mart

2d. Resolution Authorizing Settlement Of Tax Appeal (Wott LLC, 2201 State Highway Route 33, Block 1953, Lot 8)

2e. Resolution Authorizing The Proper Officials Of The Township Of Hamilton To Execute An Application For Funding Municipal Alliances To The State Of New Jersey Governor’s Council On Alcoholism And Drug Abuse For The Hamilton Township

Municipal Alliance Committee On Alcoholism And Drug Abuse For The Period January 1, 2012 Through December 31, 2012

Consent Agenda cont’d

2f. Resolution Authorizing Indemnification Agreements And Waiver Of Liability With Retired Hamilton Township Police Officers For Use Of The Hamilton Township Police Division Pistol Range For The Purpose Of Qualification for A Permit To Carry A Firearm

2g. Resolution Authorizing The Proper Officials Of The Township Of Hamilton To Resubmit A Standard Form 424 Amending The Original Grant Application With The United States Department Of Housing And Urban Development To Apply And Program The 37th Program Year Statement Of Activities Under The Community Development Block Grant Program (Amended Amount Of Grant Funds - $554,240.00)

2h. Resolution Authorizing Execution Of Application And Agreement For An Over The Limit Under Arrest 2011 Statewide Crackdown Grant With The New Jersey Department Of Law And Public Safety, Division Of Highway Traffic Safety For Term August 19, 2011 Through September 5, 2011 ($4,400.00)

2i. Resolution Authorizing Agreement For Professional Engineering Services With T&M Associates For The Construction Phase Of The Methane Gas Storage Facility At The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($18,700.00 Maximum)

2j. Resolution Authorizing Agreement For Professional Engineering Services With T&M Associates For The Design Phase Of The Secondary Clarifier Rehabilitation At The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($28,800.00 Maximum)

2k. Resolution Authorizing Agreement For Professional Services With Buchart Horn, Inc. For The Engineering And Full Construction Administration Services for The Department Of Water Pollution Control’s Sewer And Manhole Rehabilitation Project ($32,163.00 Maximum)

2l. Resolution Establishing A Contract With Andy Matt Inc. For New Jersey Turnpike (NJTP) No Net Lost Tree Planting Grant Phase I ($260,055.00 Maximum)

2m. Resolution Establishing A Contract For Sanitary Sewer Cleaning And Video Inspection Services With National Water Main Cleaning Company For The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($287,267.25)

2n. Resolution Establishing A Contract With Chas Winner Ford For The Purchase Of Three (3) 2011 Ford Focus, Chevrolet Cruze Or Equivalents For The Department Of Community Planning And Compliance ($39,456.00 Maximum)

2o. Resolution Approving Extension Number Two To Contract 09-262 With Allied Control For The Preventative Maintenance And Emergency Repairs For Instrument And Control System At The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($91,200.00 Maximum)

2p. Resolution Approving Extension Number One To Contract 10-310 With Atlantic Coast Polymers, Inc. For The Procurement And Delivery Of Sludge Conditioning Polymer For The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($53,654.00 Maximum)

2q. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By Daniel Witzel For A Housing Inspection ($200.00)

2r. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By Michael Garofalo For A Construction Permit ($75.00)

2s. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By Anthony Grasso For A Construction Permit ($300.00)

2t. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By John Fields For A Construction Permit ($775.00)

Consent Agenda cont’d

2u. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By St. Raphael School PTA For An On- Premise Merchandise Raffle ($900.00)

2v. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of The Purchase Price Paid For A Vehicle Previously Auctioned By The Township To Jersey One Auto Sales ($400.00)

2w. Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Real Estate Tax Overpayments ($ 11,017.98)

2x. Resolution Authorizing The Release Of Performance Bond For On-Site Improvements Made To The Property Known As Yardville-Allentown Road; Block 2732, Lot 7.01 (Hamilton Estates)

2y. Resolution Establishing Special Traffic Regulations Pursuant To N.J.S.A. 39:4-197.3

2z. Resolution In Support Of Soil Remediation – Block 2575, Lot 47.01

Ordinances

3a. 11-023 An Ordinance Establishing Handicapped Parking Space (214 Sewell Avenue)

SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING

3b. 11-024 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 90, Noise, Section 90-1, Definitions, And Section 90-7, Restricted Uses And Activities

SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING

3c. 11-025 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Vehicles And Traffic, Article XII – Schedules, Schedule XII: Bus Stops (Klockner Road)

FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

3d. 11-026 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Vehicles And Traffic, Article XII – Schedules, Schedule XII: Bus Stops (Various Mercer County Roadways)

FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

3e. 11-027 An Ordinance Establishing Handicapped Parking Spaces (52 Charlotte Avenue; 30 Oregon Avenue)

FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

3f. 11-028 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 146, Towing, Section 146-28, Limitation Of Fees For Storage Of Removed Vehicles

FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

3g. 11-029 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Land Development Code, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 169, Site Investigation And Soil Sampling, Section 169-3, Studies To Be Conducted

FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

Ordinances cont’d

3g1. Resolution Referring Proposed Amendments To The Land Development Code, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 169, Site Investigation And Soil Sampling Section 169- 3, Studies To Be Conducted, To The Hamilton Township Planning Board For Review Pursuant to N.J.S.A. 40:55D-26

RECESS AS THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL AND CONVENE AS THE LOCAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD

4a. Resolution Authorizing the Person-to-Person and Place-to-Place of Alcoholic Beverage Control License 1103-33-046 (Shore Road Inc., 2 Elmwood Avenue to Texas Roadhouse Holdings LLC, 1305 State Highway 33)

RECESS AS THE LOCAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD AND RECONVENE AS THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL

Comments from the Public Comments from the Council Agenda Meeting Adjournment: KM___ DP ___ KY___ EG___ DK ___

Call to Order ______pm Adj. ______pm

TOWNSHIP OF HAMILTON MEETING MINUTES TOWNSHIP COUNCIL

President Dennis Pone Vice President Kevin Meara Council Members: David Kenny, Kelly Yaede, and Edward Gore

Tuesday, July 19, 2011 Workshop (Master Plan) 6:00 PM Agenda Meeting 6:30 PM Public Meeting Immediately Follows

The agenda as it appears was discussed by members of Council along with members of the Administration. Resolution 2aa, Ordinance 3h (11-030), and Resolution 3h1 were added during the agenda session.

Statement of the President

“This meeting is being held with the benefit of public notice as required by the Open Public Meetings Act”

Salute to the Flag

Invocation led by Councilman Gore.

Roll Call

Council Members Present: David Kenny, Kevin Meara, Edward Gore, Kelly Yaede, and Dennis Pone

Administration Present: Lindsay Burbage, Director, Department of Law John F. Ricci, Business Administrator

Workshop

Hamilton Township Master Plan – Philip Caton, Clarke, Caton, Hintz

Minutes

On the motion of Mr. Meara, seconded by Mr. Kenny; the following minutes were unanimously approved:

Draft Minutes – April 19, 2011 – Agenda and Public Meetings

Communications

On the motion of Mr. Kenny, seconded by Mr. Meara; the following communication was unanimously approved:

1a. Tag Day Solicitation (Retroactive) – VFW Post 491 Annual Poppy Drive held on July 10, 2011.

Consent Agenda

On the motion of Ms. Yaede, seconded by Mr. Gore; consent agenda items 2a through 2aa were unanimously approved after the following discussion:

MR. VINCENT CAPODANNO, 65 Englewood Boulevard: First of all 2b, Mr. Ortiz is an excellent public defender. He has a real good way about him with the Hispanic Community. As a Councilman, I seen him many times in court, and he’s excellent. And that’s a great choice.

2e, it’s really nice to see that the township has compassion for people that have problems with substance abuse. It’s really nice to see a township nowadays that cares about its people. I

5 know you care a lot about the ARC employees. For you to do this is really nice, because government nowadays seems not to care. But it seems like you extend yourself a little bit.

PRESIDENT PONE: It’s also a pretty serious problem in the town.

MR. CAPODANNO: It’s nice of you doing it because nowadays with the way things are, there’s always an excuse to do something and cut money or whatever. But that shows that you’re compassionate.

PRESIDENT PONE: Thank you.

MR. CAPODANNO: 2f, the pistol range for the retirees, that’s really nice that you’re doing that too. So I just wanted to come up and say some of the things you’re doing here on the consent agenda, it shows that you’re compassionate. And nowadays, like I said before, I don’t see too much compassion in public officials. But you people are doing a nice job.

PRESIDENT PONE: Thank you Mr. Capodanno.

11-272 Resolution Consenting To The Appointment Of Lori Danko To The Hamilton Township Economic Development Advisory Commission

11-273 Resolution Consenting To The Appointment Of Jose M. Ortiz, Esquire, To The Position Of Bi-Lingual Public Defender

11-274 Resolution Of Support From Local Governing Body Authorizing The Sustainable Jersey Grant Funded By Wal-Mart

11-275 Resolution Authorizing Settlement Of Tax Appeal (Wott LLC, 2201 State Highway Route 33, Block 1953, Lot 8)

11-276 Resolution Authorizing The Proper Officials Of The Township Of Hamilton To Execute An Application For Funding Municipal Alliances To The State Of New Jersey Governor’s Council On Alcoholism And Drug Abuse For The Hamilton Township Municipal Alliance Committee On Alcoholism And Drug Abuse For The Period January 1, 2012 Through December 31, 2012

11-277 Resolution Authorizing Indemnification Agreements And Waiver Of Liability With Retired Hamilton Township Police Officers For Use Of The Hamilton Township Police Division Pistol Range For The Purpose Of Qualification for A Permit To Carry A Firearm

11-278 Resolution Authorizing The Proper Officials Of The Township Of Hamilton To Resubmit A Standard Form 424 Amending The Original Grant Application With The United States Department Of Housing And Urban Development To Apply And Program The 37th Program Year Statement Of Activities Under The Community Development Block Grant Program (Amended Amount Of Grant Funds - $554,240.00)

11-279 Resolution Authorizing Execution Of Application And Agreement For An Over The Limit Under Arrest 2011 Statewide Crackdown Grant With The New Jersey Department Of Law And Public Safety, Division Of Highway Traffic Safety For Term August 19, 2011 Through September 5, 2011 ($4,400.00)

11-280 Resolution Authorizing Agreement For Professional Engineering Services With T&M Associates For The Construction Phase Of The Methane Gas Storage Facility At The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($18,700.00 Maximum)

11-281 Resolution Authorizing Agreement For Professional Engineering Services With T&M Associates For The Design Phase Of The Secondary Clarifier Rehabilitation At The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($28,800.00 Maximum)

11-282 Resolution Authorizing Agreement For Professional Services With Buchart Horn, Inc. For The Engineering And Full Construction Administration Services for The

Department Of Water Pollution Control’s Sewer And Manhole Rehabilitation Project ($32,163.00 Maximum)

11-283 Resolution Establishing A Contract With Andy Matt Inc. For New Jersey Turnpike (NJTP) No Net Lost Tree Planting Grant Phase I ($260,055.00 Maximum)

11-284 Resolution Establishing A Contract For Sanitary Sewer Cleaning And Video Inspection Services With National Water Main Cleaning Company For The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($287,267.25)

11-285 Resolution Establishing A Contract With Chas Winner Ford For The Purchase Of Three (3) 2011 Ford Focus, Chevrolet Cruze Or Equivalents For The Department Of Community Planning And Compliance ($39,456.00 Maximum)

11-286 Resolution Approving Extension Number Two To Contract 09-262 With Allied Control For The Preventative Maintenance And Emergency Repairs For Instrument And Control System At The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($91,200.00 Maximum)

11-287 Resolution Approving Extension Number One To Contract 10-310 With Atlantic Coast Polymers, Inc. For The Procurement And Delivery Of Sludge Conditioning Polymer For The Department Of Water Pollution Control ($53,654.00 Maximum)

11-288 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By Daniel Witzel For A Housing Inspection ($200.00)

11-289 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By Michael Garofalo For A Construction Permit ($75.00)

11-290 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By Anthony Grasso For A Construction Permit ($300.00)

11-291 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By John Fields For A Construction Permit ($775.00)

11-292 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Fee Paid By St. Raphael School PTA For An On-Premise Merchandise Raffle ($900.00)

11-293 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of The Purchase Price Paid For A Vehicle Previously Auctioned By The Township To Jersey One Auto Sales ($400.00)

11-294 Resolution Authorizing The Refund Of Real Estate Tax Overpayments ($ 11,017.98)

11-295 Resolution Authorizing The Release Of Performance Bond For On-Site Improvements Made To The Property Known As Yardville-Allentown Road; Block 2732, Lot 7.01 (Hamilton Estates)

11-296 Resolution Establishing Special Traffic Regulations Pursuant To N.J.S.A. 39:4-197.3

11-297 Resolution In Support Of Soil Remediation – Block 2575, Lot 47.01

ORDINANCE - SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING

11-023 An Ordinance Establishing Handicapped Parking Space (214 Sewell Avenue)

After the above ordinance had been read by title, the President declared the public hearing open and asked if anyone wished to be heard concerning same. There being no response, Mr. Gore moved to close the public hearing and adopt, seconded by Ms. Yaede; unanimously approved.

ORDINANCE - SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING

11-024 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 90, Noise, Section 90-1, Definitions, And Section 90-7, Restricted Uses And Activities

After the above ordinance had been read by title, the President declared the public hearing open and asked if anyone wished to be heard concerning same. There being no response, Mr. Meara moved to close the public hearing and adopt, seconded by Mr. Kenny; unanimously approved.

ORDINANCE - FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

11-025 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Vehicles And Traffic, Article XII – Schedules, Schedule XII: Bus Stops (Klockner Road)

Mr. Kenny made a motion to approve the above ordinance on first reading, seconded by Mr. Meara; unanimously approved.

ORDINANCE - FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

11-026 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Vehicles And Traffic, Article XII – Schedules, Schedule XII: Bus Stops (Various Mercer County Roadways)

Ms. Yaede made a motion to approve the above ordinance on first reading, seconded by Mr. Gore; unanimously approved.

ORDINANCE - FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

11-027 An Ordinance Establishing Handicapped Parking Spaces (52 Charlotte Avenue; 30 Oregon Avenue)

Mr. Gore made a motion to approve the above ordinance on first reading, seconded by Ms. Yaede; unanimously approved.

ORDINANCE - FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

11-028 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Code Of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 146, Towing, Section 146-28, Limitation Of Fees For Storage Of Removed Vehicles

Mr. Meara made a motion to approve the above ordinance on first reading, seconded by Mr. Kenny; unanimously approved.

ORDINANCE - FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

11-029 Ordinance Amending And Supplementing The Land Development Code, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 169, Site Investigation And Soil Sampling, Section 169-3, Studies To Be Conducted

Mr. Kenny made a motion to approve the above ordinance on first reading, seconded by Mr. Meara; unanimously approved.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: I think it’s important to support the introduction of this ordinance for the public hearing. I’d also at this time like to complement and say thank you to our township engineer who saw that it was important in the memorialization of the Italian-American Property to get language in there that would call for additional testing at that site. And so I will be supporting this, yes.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: I have concerns about this ordinance, I don’t know if it’s really necessary, but I’ll vote yes for the introduction so that we can have a public hearing on it.

PRESIDENT PONE: I think I share similar concerns with Mr. Kenny in that. Although I will say that Councilman Meara has done an unbelievable amount of work in researching the catalyst of this ordinance even though it won’t apply to it. He’s done a lot of work; I’ve been in those shoes. So I know how hard it is. I know some times there are discrepancies between engineers, DEP, environmental groups. Kevin’s done a lot of work, a lot of communication, however, this

ordinance, really won’t apply to anything except potentially the police firing range in Hamilton which is the only shooting range in the township. And I believe could never be built on anyway because it’s sitting on wetlands. However, somewhere down the line, along with Councilman Kenny I’ll say that I’m certainly willing to introduce it, listen to the public talk to Councilman Meara further about it, and we’ll go forward for the next meeting for the public hearing. So I’ll vote yes to introduce.

11-293 Resolution Referring Proposed Amendments To The Land Development Code, Hamilton Township, New Jersey, Chapter 169, Site Investigation And Soil Sampling Section 169-3, Studies To Be Conducted, To The Hamilton Township Planning Board For Review Pursuant to N.J.S.A. 40:55D-26

Mr. Gore moved to adopt, seconded by Ms. Yaede; unanimously approved.

PRESIDENT PONE: This resolution just simply takes the ordinance we just introduced, sends it to the planning board for their advice.

ORDINANCE - FIRST READING AND INTRODUCTION

11-030 Ordinance Amending and Supplementing the Code of Ordinances, Hamilton Township, Chapter 160, Land Development; Article II, Section 160-42, Zoning Map; and Article III, Section 160-80 REO2, REO4, and REO Research; Engineering office districts, and RD (Research and Development) Districts

Mr. Meara made a motion to approve the above ordinance on first reading, seconded by Mr. Kenny; unanimously approved.

11-300 Resolution referring the proposed amendments as I just stated For the ordinance 11-030 to the planning board for review

Mr. Kenny moved to adopt, seconded by mr. Meara; unanimously approved.

RECESS AS THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL AND CONVENE AS THE LOCAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD

Ms. Yaede moved to adopt, seconded by Mr. Gore; unanimously approved.

11-301 Resolution Authorizing the Person-to-Person and Place-to-Place of Alcoholic Beverage Control License 1103-33-046 (Shore Road Inc., 2 Elmwood Avenue to Texas Roadhouse Holdings LLC, 1305 State Highway 33)

Mr. gore moved to adopt, seconded by Ms. Yaede; unanimously approved.

RECESS AS THE LOCAL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD AND RECONVENE AS THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL

Mr. Meara moved to adopt, seconded by Mr. Kenny; unanimously approved.

Comments from the Public

MS. TRINA SARGEANT, 3460 East State Street Extension: We have these beautiful sculptures around the railway station. I pass that way four times a day. And the way they are kept, is shameful, it’s disgraceful. The July 4th weekend, the grass was waist high. When they do cut the

9 grass on occasion, none of the trimming is done. I pass that way four times a day, and there are almost always people taking pictures. Can we get that area cleaned up please?

PRESIDENT PONE: John who’s responsible for that?

MR. RICCI: First of all, the statues are on loan to us from the J. Stewart Johnson Foundation. In the right of way by the train station, it could be New Jersey if they own the property.

MS. SARGEANT: No, it’s the street.

PRESIDENT PONE: On Coleman Road between Klockner and the bridge.

MS. SARGEANT: it’s Klockner yeah.

MR. RICCI: There’s a number of statues out there. So I believe some of them are on the train station property, and others are in rights of way along the road which there’s a mixture there of township and county roads. So it could be, and your question is who’s responsible, could be three different government agencies that are responsible. I will have our staff take a look at those to see that they’re properly maintained. And if it’s ours, to have it cut immediately. And if it’s someone else’s, to give them notice to get it done.

MS. SARGEANT: I mean, they never do the trimming, it’s just shameful. July 4th weekend, when we have people coming to town and visiting relatives and stuff…

The other question I have is I was over at a friend’s house on Estates Boulevard, near Alexander School. And I see that there are bicycle lanes going in there. They put the two lines for the bicycle lanes. You’ve been listening to me now for more than four years. They have a 25 mile an hour speed limit. They have signs over the speed limit saying speed strictly enforced, and now they have a bicycle lane. I have been asking for East State Street Extension. A crosswalk on Norcross Circle because that’s where people tend to run across with their baby carriages and bicycles, children, and all the rest of that. I’ve asked for a bicycle lane because it’s a direct route to the train station People are more and more riding their bicycles I’ve asked for some traffic calming measures, and you did put the box which sometimes does and sometimes doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked for two weeks. It’s working now. Saturday morning I’m out there cutting my grass, there’s traffic going by at 64 and 65 miles an hour. Is there nothing that this Council can do about our side of town? We’ve been doing this now for more than four years.

PRESIDENT PONE: I know we’ve addressed this for a million times.

MS. SARGEANT: I’ve presented pictures of accidents, property damage, I just don’t know what else to do.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: John, is East State Street Extension a county road?

MS. SARGEANT: No, it’s definitely Hamilton Township.

MR. RICCI: And we have had the speed sensors out there for some time now. And we’ve gotten the recordings and I don’t have it off the top of my head, but the average is in the 85 percentile numbers were not significantly above the posted speed limit. We can do some other things, and we’re trying to do that now as a result of our master plan review with creating more bicycle lanes and delineating parking and so on. So we’ll take a look at doing that along that section.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: Because parking is delineated, but maybe not all the way down where you are, right? Are there parking stripes where you are as well on East State?

MS. SARGEANT: They did put in a white line ages ago when they repaved the road. I pulled out of my driveway, a car passed me on the inside as I went to go up East State.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: I know a lot of cars fly down East State Street. I think it is a problem, it’s fifty miles an hour on the other side of the bridge there.

MS. SARGEANT: But it’s forty miles an hour to Barrel Avenue and there’s only one forty mile an hour speed limit on the whole street. But the thing about the speed monitor, sometimes it

works, sometimes it doesn’t. And it’s mostly working, and we’ve discussed this before. They took the readings during three major snow storms two nor’easters, weekends. I mean, they never do the readings when it’s commuting time, when UPS are flying down the street.

PRESIDENT PONE: John, isn’t it true that those boxes record, they record when they’re not lit up purposely sometimes. So people slow down when they see it lit up.

MS. SARGEANT: I know, but when you say that it doesn’t meet the criteria, and I see that everyday. Every day I see those people flying down the street and nothing is done. I don’t know what else to say.

PRESIDENT PONE: I think in the course of the master plan, even if engineering-wise, we can’t get the speed limits changed, maybe there are some things with the bicycle paths and crosswalks that we can look at.

MS. SARGEANT: If they’re going to put in offices, into an area now, that is almost… Congoleum is almost gone. If they’re going to put in… It’s just going to go.

PRESIDENT PONE: I know, I drive that road just about every day, I understand.

MS. SARGEANT: Four times a day.

MR. AUGUST SCOTTO, Mark Twain Drive: All my mail is addressed Trenton. I get letters from Washington telling me to vote in Trenton for the different people in Trenton. And then I got a letter…

PRESIDENT PONE: See if you can do it maybe you can get some of them out.

MR. SCOTTO: yeah, I got a letter from the American Legion. “August Scotto from Trenton nominated for an Award, from Trenton! My insurance company covers my house and my car insurance. They always sent it to Hamilton Square, New Jersey. Now they changed it to Trenton, New Jersey. I went there and I asked why. They said the post office said they must do that. So I says why, they said I don’t know. So I pointed to the document that said location of house covered Mark Twain Drive, Trenton. So he says, oh that’s a mistake. So I says, but this is what I’m getting at, everything is Trenton here. So I went to the post office on Route 130, and asked why. “Oh, I don’t know.” They says were not involved in that. So I said, well who is? Well, I’ll give you a phone number, you can call them. I said, no I don’t want a phone number. I want a person. Oh you can’t go in that building in Trenton. I said I don’t care; I’m not using the telephone. I says, they’re playing games making mistakes, changing everything. The next thing you know, I’ll go to the voting booth, “oh you don’t live in Hamilton” I mean, what’s going on here? Don’t you people get the same stuff? Maybe they’ve singled me out I don’t know. Everything was Trenton on there. I can’t understand why. I mean, they won’t let me talk to the official that did it. I talked to governors, senators, congressional people; I even talked to Papa Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carte. And I can’t talk to that yo-yo in the building. I mean, these characters, they set themselves up as power. They don’t have that power. I wish you people would get involved and straighten it out because they’re crossing the line to the place that you guys are in charge of. They have no authority to do that, but they’re doing it. Something has got to be done. There’s too much at stake here. Probably that’s why people in Trenton can vote in Hamilton elections because they got them all mixed up. They got them living in Hamilton. I’m telling you, there’s too much of this stuff going on. Florida passed a law that anyone wanting to apply for welfare must take a drug test and will not receive any welfare. I thought that was something. They’re stopping anyone getting welfare if they are on drugs. That’s a good thing. This way it will get them off drugs. Thank you.

MR. GREGORY GORE, 36 Alessio Terrace: As was mentioned earlier, we have a problem on Alessio Terrace. Alessio Terrace is a residential street off the Groveville-Allentown Road. It’s a dead-end street with a cul-de-sac. Last Friday, there were construction people out there and they just devastated and whipped out our buffer zone of our tree line and brush that separated us from the turnpike.

As was mentioned earlier also, the noise now is incredible. When we had the gentleman stop, he came over and explained that he wasn’t the one in charge. He went over and got the guy in charge, and explained that this was now going to be an access road, a gravel road from the end

of our cul-de-sac down to a retention basin that they were going to need access to, to check on every once in a while. And he said the plans were going to be a cyclone fence gate with a straight shot right to the turnpike. Now there was no mention about any kind of buffers, no mention about any sound barriers, no mention of anything. And we mentioned to the gentleman who’s the contractor for the turnpike, well shouldn’t this have been put over like off of Crosswicks-Hamilton Square Road or South Broad Street or even the turnpike? He said it could be done very easily. Except this was just the quickest and most convenient access for the

turnpike. He also said that someone from the Township signed off on it, which I find hard to believe that somebody would allow this at the end of our street. Nobody sitting here on the Council or anybody in the township would want to have this at the end of our road. It’s deplorable, it’s horrible, and the tranquility of our neighborhood is gone now. We have a direct path right to the turnpike. It looks like exit 7B has been created. As one of the residents, we’re looking for support from the Council and from the administration to get something done to stop this. There’s other residents if you’d like to hear from them, they have more names and information.

COUNCILMAN GORE: Greg, correct me if I’m wrong, you had mentioned they put in a cyclone gate?

MR. GORE: They’re going to put a cyclone gate, yes.

COUNCILMAN GORE: That doesn’t tell the whole story; the cyclone gate is fine for stopping motor vehicle traffic. However, there’s no fence around it. So there’s going to be a wide open space except for the gate which…

MR. GORE: And if you happen to go down there and look, there’s maybe a two or three foot berm there. That’s going to be leveled out. The gentleman actually from tearing down more of the trees just because all the residents came out in droves saying what’s going on, you’re ruining our neighborhood. And so if you go… and I ask you to take a look at it. But just keep in mind it’s not the finished product. It’s going to be wider, there’s going to be a retention basin eighty feet from the end of our road. That’s the way it is, but why have to have access from our street with this cyclone gate that’s going to look real nice for the neighbors and the neighborhood. And again, we need sound barriers, or trees put back up, it’s incredible.

PRESIDENT PONE: If I understood correctly that you’re going to be in touch with the turnpike authority. (Speaking to Mr. Williams)

MR. WILLIAMS: (Speaking from seat), with the Turnpike Authority.

PRESIDENT PONE: We should press them for buffers. I mean, if they need to do what they’re doing, that’s one issue. The other issue is they need to get back to protecting your neighborhood from the sounds.

MR. GORE: And find out why they couldn’t do this access from one of the major roads off the turnpike itself. The contractor said the roads exist right now because they’re using those roads for doing the construction. So why just not just keep those roads in place and you can have access to it off a major road that’s not going to impact anyone.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: Did they knock down a wide area of trees or just a roadway?

MR. GORE: It’s about a thirty-five foot wide area which are trees, brush, 200 year old trees. And that’s just the start. It looks like it’s going to be about 50 foot wide by the time they’re done. Right at the end of our street, and I mean, the noise is incredible.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: Mr. President if I may? Greg, question for you, could you guesstimate what’s the distance from Alessio to the turnpike? Do you guys have a rough idea? Is this like a quarter mile run?

MR. GORE: About 200 yards from where it is now.

MR. RICCI: On this map here, there’s a little street where it says Alessio. It will give you a little bit of perspective, but it’s close.

COUNCILMAN GORE: If I may too Mr. President, one thing I want to assure myself and the citizens of Alessio that no one from the township “signed off” on anything, could we check into that John? I’m sure they didn’t.

MR. RICCI: Mr. Williams is here.

COUNCILMAN GORE: Make sure that didn’t happen or if it did, why it happened? Maybe there’s a good reason.

MR. RICH WILLIAMS: Mr. Gore, if I could answer that question, no one signed off on anything from the turnpike. They did meet with us as I said earlier, they had a discussion and they were showing different areas they were going through the town. And one thing that came up and I happen to notice on the plan that they had the spacing, and they were showing a few roads. And I asked them that they have no access. Unfortunately, I think they had in their mind that was talking only about construction and they had something else. So that’s what we’re going to have to see if we could…

COUNCILMAN GORE: I’m not surprised and I just wanted to assure myself the track record has long been that the people in the turnpike authority are less forthcoming to the township employees, and I think everybody knows that. But all the more reason for us all to reinvigorate ourselves and keep an eye on them. I’m sure the Council is quite aware of it. Mayor Bencivengo had tried extensively to try to get noise barriers up there, and they’ve been very uncooperative.

MR. RICCI: Mr. Williams, we had reached an agreement with New Jersey Transit about the tree replacement program. And it was money donated to the town for the trees that were cut down. Do you know if these trees were in that calculation?

MR. WILLIAMS: I don’t know for sure.

PRESIDENT PONE: That’s a good question.

MR. RICCI: I’ll have to check on that.

MR. WILLIAMS: Okay.

PRESIDENT PONE: I don’t know John, or Rich, I don’t know if we have any ability. But I know now this incident with the turnpike authority, and I know of a very large incident with DEP where they come in and do this without notice to the residents. I mean, they may be allowed to do that, but they shouldn’t do it. And I don’t know if we can send Madam Clerk, maybe a letter to the turnpike authority and I would include DEP in that. Because DEP in that because DEP does it all the time. If they got a place they want to get ready to deal with, they just clear trees out and they don’t tell anybody. I think as a common courtesy, they ought to notify the people that are affected before they do something like that. And yeah, ideally a public hearing would be great. I mean, then a solution like Greg was saying, maybe they’d come in from the other direction and not from that little cul-de-sac, road which doesn’t make much sense.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: Mr. President, can you add to that? Do they have other access roads designed in Hamilton? This project is pretty big.

PRESIDENT PONE: That’s a good addendum. We would like to know if there are any other plans to do this anywhere else in Hamilton, absolutely.

MR. WILLIAMS: And one thing, I’m not certain, but I guess Mr. Gore could address that. I do not believe any construction vehicles came on Alessio Terrace during this removal. If they did, that’s one thing that was made clear that they should not be doing so. If they did that, that was another little thing they shouldn’t have done.

MR. STANLEY JACOBOSKI, 17 Bearbranch Road: Actually, I have a question, since the agenda hasn’t been posted on the web site since May, Our concern is with the first reading here, 3g, the residents of that area have obtained the services of a private engineer And he’s here now. Would he be able to comment on this?

PRESIDENT PONE: He can comment, it’s a public meeting, he’s got five minutes.

MR. JACOBOSKI: I don’t know if five minutes will be enough time for him or not. As everybody knows, that…

MR. RICCI: There’s going to be a hearing on that ordinance.

MR. JACOBOSKI: I don’t know if he’s available, and he’s here now.

PRESIDENT PONE: I’m going to go down the list, but he can speak for five minutes like anybody else can tonight, so that’s fine.

MR. JACOBOSKi: As Council is well aware that residents of that area there which is the Italian-American Club have been very concerned about this. We’ve been following along with the information we were able to get. We’ve all done our research like Mr. Meara has. And we don’t quite agree with the testing procedures going on there as well as some other issues, as far as stream delineation and stuff like that, but DEP is doing that portion of it. And I provided the clerk with some memos from Chapen Engineering which he’s going to speak about those right now.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: Mr. President, I would agree with Mr. Ricci, Stan that at the public hearing, it’s important that you have comments on the record. So when the public hearing is published if the engineer can’t make it, you may want to say something then.

MR. RICHARD CHAPEN, 27 Quincy Road, Baskingridge, NJ: I’m a consulting environmental engineer. As Stan said, I was asked by the residents to look at the data for the site. I prepared a memo, that memo has been distributed to you. I just want to quickly go over the important points. The memo presented results, soil sampling analysis at the former Italian-American sportsman Club, gave numbers on concentrations and contaminants specifically lead. The numbers in that report are not what you would characteristically expect from lead concentrations and shooting range soils. I took a look at that data, and the figure attached to that gives you my assessment of it in summary. This is a large scale photo of that. Basically, what this is, this is a site plan that superimposed on it to scale, is the location of the former shooting ranges. And the locations of the samples that were collected. Those are the large orange triangles. And then there are also two orange trapezoids which denote the areas which denote the areas where you would expect shot to accumulate from people shooting at trap. That comes from the literature which is extensively well documented for the ordinance. If you look at the figure and compare the orange triangles to the area where you would expect the heaviest concentrations of lead to be found, you do not see any or you see very few triangles in those areas. The samples were not collected in the areas where you would expect the most shot. State regulations, the technical requirements for site remediation in New Jersey require you to do site investigations to bias your samples, to the locations where you think the stuff will be. You need to identify to this type of literature reviewed, locations where you expect the material to be. And then you have to go out and look in that area. That was not done. The report says that they just randomly took soil samples at two samples per acre. That is not a compliance with state regulations.

PRESIDENT PONE: I will say Mr. Chapen just to interrupt you for a second, and I’ve had this discussion with Mr. Meara. I won’t get to the horse is out of the barn, but we had a hearing as you know. There was an appeal to Council. We went through this whole process. We asked those direct questions of the environmental person; bias testing, Phase II testing, which I’m familiar with. He said no to both of those questions.

MR. CHAPEN: Well, all I can say to that sir is that the report says one per two acres, and it doesn’t give any criteria for doing that. It doesn’t cite the technical regs. I have copies of them here.

MR. RICCI: I’m going to interject for one second because I’m not sure you’re looking at up to date information. The township hired SADAT Associates to supervise the work that was being done by the developer’s environmental consultant. They’ve done considerably more testing over the last few weeks. In fact, they were sampling today. I think we’re over 200 samples at this point. I’m not sure you’ve seen all those.

MR. CHAPEN: No, I have not sir.

MR. RICCI: So I think at this point, what you’re telling Council may be a little premature because you don’t have all that data yet.

MR. CHAPEN: Is that data going to be available?

MR. RICCI: Yes.

MR. CHAPEN: And how might I obtain it?

MR. RICCI: The township engineer will have it.

MR. CHAPEN: Will that be available before the public hearing?

MR. RICCI: Yes, the public hearing won’t be for a month. The public hearing by the way is nothing to do with the sampling. It’s going to require sampling on future fire ranges at closure time, not on this one. We’re going under the DEP’s guidelines on this.

MR. CHAPEN: Okay, has the applicant hired an LSRP that will oversee these investigations?

MR. RICCI: I believe he has.

MR. CHAPEN: Okay, so there’s going to be a secondary report of this additional investigations that be available

MR. RICCI: Yes.

MR. CHAPEN: For you to pass comment on I assume?

MR. RICCI: Once we have everything from today and I’m looking back to the township engineer, we expected today will be the end of the sampling or not? We don’t know yet.

MR. WILLIAMS: Maybe.

MR. RICCI: Okay, depending on what they find from tonight’s samples.

MR. CHAPEN: Is there a work plan that went along with that sampling, and is that available?

MR. RICCI: Yes, he’s nodding yes.

MR. CHAPEN: If I give you a card, can I get a copy?

MR. RICCI: Well, really we’re getting a little beyond what we should be discussing at a Council meeting. I mean, this is a conversation you could have with him tomorrow on the phone and get whatever data we have now. And as soon as the additional data becomes available, you can have that as well.

MR. CHAPEN: Thank you.

PRESIDENT PONE: Thank you, and again, just keep in mind that it doesn’t directly apply to this ordinance.

MR. CHAPEN: Understood.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: Mr. Pone, just a quick question for Mr. Chapen. I’m quickly looking over this report hat you gave. And in it, you mentioned PAH’s. Most of our discussion has been about lead, and you mentioned PAH’s. You also mentioned and LSRP. If my understanding is correct, basically the DEP punted, and now the LSRP is now responsible, and they are hired by the applicant to oversee it.

MR. CHAPEN: That’s correct.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: I‘m just going to read a statement. This LSRP in our zoning board testimony said that they don’t have a recognized concern for PAH’s. You have a thought on that?

MR. CHAPEN: PAH’s is Poly Aromatic Hydrocarbons. It comes from petroleum products. The pitch that’s used to hold clay pigeons together is a petroleum hydrocarbon that contains PAH’s. PAH’s are documented very carcinogenic materials. They have some of the lowest clean up numbers that the state of New Jersey has established. So if he said they don’t have a documented concern, I would interpret that as they haven’t sampled and analyzed it. If they said, we sampled, we analyzed, we didn’t find, then I would agree with that statement. If they’re just saying we don’t have it documented concern and there’s nothing, data to back it up, then I would be concerned with that statement.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: I hope you do attend the public hearing. But I just want to say one more thing Mr. President. I was going to say it end of the meeting, but I appreciate yours and Councilman Kenny’s comments about the ordinance may not pertain to this because we only have one fire range. This property, there was a subdivision submitted on this by Hubmania which fell by the wayside. The fact that Mr. Ricci indicated that SADAT Engineering has been doing additional testing. And in the zoning board testimony, the actual levels allowed by the state are 400 milligrams, and the highest ones that they recorded were 571. So you have a concern that it’s above the level. Under the most recent testing that I’ve seen results for, SADAT who we hired, has found levels at 44,000 which is 110 times the level. So I think what Mr. Chapen is saying with the levels that he saw in the previous were not characteristic of the fire range. So what I’m saying is now that Sharbell is seeing this, there’s a potential that they may drop this and say we’re not going to develop this now. And if we don’t have this ordinance in place, someone else might come to develop it. In addition, I didn’t get a chance to say this. But I had a discussion with the DEP today, the bureau chief. And when I mentioned to him about my ordinance, and what I’m looking at, he said something to me which was very interesting. He says, you know Kevin, you may have a place out in the far Southeastern part of the township that gets to be developed one day. And when they’re doing the normal soil testing, they come up with a high lead content, but wasn’t classified at the fire range. And I found this all over the state he told me. That we have found it, once we start looking into it, and we find how that pattern was, we determined that that was a previous fire range. It could have been from 1900, it could have been from 1850, whatever. But they have found fire ranges that aren’t documented on any maps or records by the lead contaminations. So yes, it seems like this development has already passed, if Sharbell goes and does it. But there is the potential of not only this being a future development, if they drop this now that they’ve seen how high the lead is. But we may uncover something in the future. And I’ll talk more about that at our public hearing. Thank you Mr. Chapen.

MR. STAN JACOBOSKI, 17 Bearbranch Road: For the people that have been concerned about this and been following it, there’s been like I said other issues with this freshwater wetlands, stream delineation, there’s a previous deed restriction. There’s a bunch of stuff involved there. We haven’t been able to get much information from DEP. We’re told that nothing was on file. We find out just recently that their bulletin… They post a bulletin every month with applications that were submitted and applications that they made decisions on. Twice this was listed as Hubmanian. So we’re looking for Sharbell. For whatever reason, it’s listed as Hubmanian you go right by it. So there’s a problem either with DEP or the application too. It’s a little hard to follow when they put it under somebody else’s name.

PRESIDENT PONE: Understood, and we’re all concerned about it, just for the record.

MS. MARCIA KENDLE, 33 Alessio Terrace: I live on Alessio Terrace, and I’ve lived there since it was a dirt road, and it was developed in 1995. It’s a beautiful neighborhood, lovely cul- de-sac, until noon last Friday. When the caterpillar with the big claws in the front literally came in, and I’ll use the word raped the woods. Took away what sound barriers were left as far as natural sound barriers. The studies that were done, noise studies were done in 2007. They’re documented on the turnpike’s website with the studies. I’ve looked at them, Not recently but years ago. And I had a conversation last Friday with a lady named Karen. She did not give me her last name; she was a liaison for a management group for the turnpike, probably a subcontractor of sorts. She referred to these studies from 2007. And the issue that I have with these studies is that 2007. There’s more traffic now, the turnpike is going to be two lanes closer to Alessio Terrace. The trees that were parallel to the turnpike have been have been taken down. And they took the trees down at the end of our cul-de-sac. So as has been mentioned, by my neighbor Greg Gore, and Mr. Gore, I believe you saw it as well with your own eyes. There’s

now a huge hole at the end of Alessio Terrace, visual. You can see the writing on the sides of the 18-wheelers. There’s a little berm, it’s maybe three feet high. That’s coming down, it’s going to be gravel. Now we’ll be able to see the sides of the tires on the trucks. It is probably 200 yards from the end of end of the cul-de-sac, out to the turnpike. We knew the turnpike was there, so that’s not a shock, it’s just that these mature trees, one of them was two feet in diameter. One of the other neighbors measured it. That’s gone, all the other trees are gone. It’s totally an eye sore. And I believe that it’s really going to have a negative impact on the value of my home.

There was no forewarning. We had no clue this was happening until the trees came tumbling down on Friday. Is there a DEP permit for a project like this, I have no idea. If there is, I’d like to see it. Taking down all the trees, there are wetlands behind the houses on one side of Alessio Terrace. Are those being impacted, no one seems to know. I had conversations with Mr. Williams on Friday afternoon. I got some conflicting information from him as well. I saw the plans. The general superintendant of the project on the turnpike pulled up the blueprints and the prints of the project and showed me what was there. There were a lot of questions, not very many answers, a lot of lip service. We’ve invited people to come out, come to the site, look. This was our beautiful neighborhood, it is no longer. The damage is done, the trees are gone, there’s going to be a chain link fence that does nothing to stop sound. And the visual is pathetic as well.

So I’m asking as a resident of Hamilton Township for some support, for some answers, and a solution. There was conversation as well about other access routes that are non-residential that are there, a stone’s throw away. So it’s not like you have to drive miles out of the way to get to this new basin that’s going to be built. Thank you.

PRESIDENT PONE: We are going to ask those questions and get some answers for you. Mr. Williams is going to stay on top of it.

MS. PEGGY NICHOL, 517 East Brown Street: Augie with the zip codes if you call and order something over the phone, they’ll say Trenton, New Jersey. And then you say no, it’s because of the zip codes. And it’s because of the computer systems, that’s because we’re still Trenton, New Jersey. So the computers have not caught up with Hamilton.

I’m here for the residents of Hamilton of my district, which is “Russell Terrace”, that’s Liberty Chambers, Woolsey Area going up to Olden Avenue. On Tindall Avenue, in the 173 block, the residents are complaining about the sewer backup. And we mentioned the storm water draining system being updated. These poor residents have cinderblock planters in front of their basement windows so that the water doesn’t go down their basement. They had the township out there looking at them. I spoke to the resident at 173 Tindall, the neighbor across the street also. They have been contacting the township, it has not been addressed. They said at one point, there were Styrofoam in the storm drains. So I don’t know what the blockage is right now. But they’re still having a problem out there, so I think I’d like to have that addressed.

The other thing is resurfacing of Hutchinson, I brought that up before. Is that going to be resurfaced at some point and time, Hutchinson Street?

PRESIDENT PONE: Do you recall if that’s in any of our plans, John?

MR. RICCI: It’s not on the current capital there are two streets in that area that are, East Franklin and Dunbar. And we were looking at Woolsey next, but we’ll take a look at Hutchinson.

MS. MICHOL: Hutchinson as a priority because it goes from one end…

MR. RICCI: Woolsey is a longer street too, and it’s more traffic, but we’ll look at it.

MS. NICHOL: That’s become a speeding issue also again. We have cars screeching through there at 10:00, 11:00, and 12:00 at night. We have some young people living in the neighborhood who are driving around, they are speeding. I would really like to have more police protection. We’ve had a few break-ins again in our little area. And we’d like to have some protection out there if we could. We had an incident a couple weeks ago where we had on my corner of East Brown and Bergen, there were about ten cars out there, a young group of individuals who live across the street. The police were called and they gave one of the residents a problem about coming out at 10:00 at night to disburse all of these kids. Well, one car had to

17 be towed away I guess because of the restriction on the registration problem. And the resident was given a hard time for the police to come out, so I think that should be addressed.

MR. RICCI: Who gave the resident a hard time, the police?

MS. NICHOL: The police gave the resident a hard time coming out to disburse this group.

MR. RICCI: Okay.

MS. NICHOL: And when they finally did come out, two police cars came out and one unmarked car. Now, they were just having a nice social group, but there were ten cars.

MR. RICCI: I just wasn’t clear on who was giving the resident the hard time.

MS. NICHOL: I talk too fast.

MR. RICCI: That’s okay.

MS. NICHOL: I’m trying to get done. The other thing is do we have an ordinance for boats parked on the street? On Tindall Avenue, one of the residents said there was a Queen Mary parked. And we have four boats parked on Woolsey.

MR. RICCI: There are ordinances; we can send someone out to deal with that.

MS. NICHOL: There are four boats on Woolsey, and then there’s a cabin cruiser, she calls it the Queen Mary down on Tindall.

MR. RICCI: you know we have a call center where you can call this in and they’ll put the information in and complaints get addressed.

MS. NICHOL: Alright, I’ll tell them. Oh our little district too, we have over thirty houses up for sale, just in a little l-shaped area. And thirty houses is a little bit too much for one little area like ours. So taxes, people are moving out, it’s getting to be really difficult. Also, do we have a time ordinance on house parties? For when people have house parties? I addressed this before.

MR. RICCI: There’s a time ordinance for noise, but not on parties themselves. You couldn’t do that, only if they’re too noisy.

MS. NICHOL: They are too noisy sometimes.

MR. RICCI: Well, you can call that in to the police department.

MS. NICKOL: We have call that. I just thought I’d share this. This is for my residents, and I thank you.

MR. MIKE NAP: Sorry I missed the master plan workshop. I was hoping you could tell me the status of the master plan.

PRESIDENT PONE: The master plan actually itself has been adopted by the planning board. We are now starting to look at the land use ordinances that would change some of the zoning or clean up some of the zoning that’s already been changed. in fact tonight, the only ordinance we introduced related to the master plan was, what would you guess Dave, about 80% you said was stuff that’s already there, but it’s not in the zone that it actually is.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: to bring the zoning in conformity with what already exists in a lot of places.

PRESIDENT PONE: So that’s where we’re at, and that’s the only thing that’s been introduced this evening. We’ll have a public hearing on that in August. Well, assuming the planning board gets it back to us. It goes back to them, so we go back and forth with the planning board now with the ordinances that will apply to what was discovered at the master plan.

MR. NAP: I guess I’ll just add, in the past, I’ve read the housing element. And I skimmed parts of the master plan earlier today. And I find them lacking any detail regarding affordable housing. And I guess I’ll just register my concern. It seems to be in my opinion, there’s not any

useful information in the housing element even itself about the future development of affordable housing. Just some calculations by the planners saying perhaps we’ll build these many units in the future.

MR. RICCI: There is an affordable housing plan in place; it has been for several years. But the affordable housing statutes are in flux right now.

MR. NAP: understood.

MR. RICCI: There’s changes that are happening to them. Whether COAH is going to continue to exist or not, probably not. And then there will be some changes in the formulas. So once we know what our goal is from the state, then we can address it more realistically.

MR. NAP: Thank you.

MR. VINCENT CAPODANNO, 65 Englewood Boulevard: First thing, I was listening about Alessio Drive, that’s our road. So who gives them permission to go down that road? That’s our curb, and how far is the property that we own from the cur? It’s got to be a couple feet, right?

MR. RICCI: As I understand it, they did not come down Alessio, they came in the other direction. And the land they’re using is turnpike land. We do have some other issues with them about how this is being done and proper notices. So we’re going to have to look into that, but I believe from Mr. Williams that they did not come down Alessio, they came in the back way, and they did stay off the township road. That’s not much help to anybody, but at least they did that much.

MR. CAPODANNO: That’s their property?

MR. RICCI: Yes.

COUNCILMAN GORE: I think that’s the point that some of the residents… They came in that way, they could have used that as access to the retention basin, why Destroy Alessio?

MR. CAPODANNO: That’s what I’m trying to say.

MR. RICCI: But they are staying on their property. They’re not on township land.

MR. CAPODANNO: I think you can overcome it. That’s my opinion. The master plan, speaking to the planner a little bit about it, you’re master plan is really good. It addresses a lot of the areas in Hamilton Township that have problems. One of the things I like was the plaza across from Tree King. What he proposed is an excellent idea because retail is never going to work there. I learned that from being in business. If there’s a bad spot, and every business fails there, it’s going to keep failing. I don’t care what you put there. So for the master plan to show a different use there, is being smart. The same thing down by where the two auto dealers are.

PRESIDENT PONE: In fact, it’s set up in such a way that if retail did for some reason snap back and people wanted to go there, they still can. That’s the beauty of the overlay.

MR. CAPODANNO: I don’t want to get too political here, but there was a letter written to the Trentonian. It was online from the person that’s running as Mayor as a Democrat, criticizing Hamilton Township when it comes to bike trails and sidewalks and development, et cetera. Being a former Councilman, and looking at the master plan, I think it’s all addressed, number one. The letter to me was bogus. The second thing is that I ride along South Broad Street, you see development. You see the old Pathmart building that was a blight there for years, that’s being addressed. You’re getting nice restaurants coming in. The movie theater which is huge, I have faith in the administration that something is going is going to go on with that super market sooner or later. If you look over where the Grounds for Sculpture are, them buildings over there, all the stores over there, somebody’s taking that over. You go down 33, you see development. The master plan addressed the jug handle for the Shops At Hamilton. So basically, what I wanted to say is that here we are at a Council meeting; you have somebody running for Mayor that writes letters. I’ve been active in this community for twenty years since Kevin was a Councilman. I’ve never seen that person at a budget meeting. So if you’re going to going to want to be the Mayor of this town, you better have some kind of Idea of what you’re going to do with this town, you better have expertise. We’re in a really really bad financial climate in the United States. Hamilton is doing great as far as I’m concerned, the last couple of years. I had

my beefs with you. That was like a couple years ago. I just hope that the people of Hamilton Township understand that there’s a lot at stake. And for me to read a letter like that, makes me wonder where this person’s head’s at. So I just wanted to say that I’m not up here brown nosing you, because you know if I have something to say, I’m going to say it. The bottom line is that in the last couple of years, you’re doing a great job. And that people have to understand that if there’s going to be a change, they better know what they’re doing. Thank you.

MR. BRUCE MACDONALD, 108 Yardville-Allentown Road: I want to ask Mr. Gore a question. I saw an article in the paper when you ran for reelection.

COUNCILMAN GORE: Perish the thought, I’ve never ran for reelection.

MR. MACDONALD: I’m just trying to ask a simple question. You seem to know all the answers because nobody else knows. I’ve called Linda Greenstein, I called the state LLS, I’ve called the Legal Department.

COUNCILMAN GORE: They’re more knowledgeable than me.

MR. MACDONALD: The person asking the question was trying to consolidate the fire departments. And you answered the question; you said that the residents of a particular fire district needed to circulate a petition. Once the petition was forwarded to the council that at that point, the Council could act. Now there were certain details, you didn’t say whether they would act or not. But my question to you is what year was that law passed?

COUNCILMAN GORE: I have no idea.

MR. MACDONALD: If you could just give me a year.

COUNCILMAN GORE: Let me paraphrase, it was my understanding at the time. And let me tell you my feelings generally about that. Right now, we have fire commissioners in nine fire districts.

MR. MACDONALD: They’re not going to consolidate.

COUNCILMAN GORE: Well, we would ask that they consider efficiencies. I’m sure, myself as a Councilman. I’m not sure what the other Councilmen feel. I also feel that we ought to rely on the input of our professional fire service. We have a great deal of paid firemen now in the township, also the expertise of our volunteers. And all of them working together with the various fire commissioners; I would hope could consolidate where necessary and work out other efficiencies to improve the fire service. In deed, a citizen referendum and that type of thing, it’s my understanding could happen. But I think the best way to go about doing it for all the citizens of Hamilton is for all the fire districts working together to work out some sort of efficiencies, some sort of reorganization and provide fire service that way.

MR. MACDONALD: From a citizen’s point of view, it’s frustrating that the government is operating pursuant to these laws, but they can’t come up with the law. And they seem to pursuant to law be able to expand into I’m told nine different fire districts in Hamilton. But there’s no prevision for consolidating. In other words, I have certain laws I have to operate pursuant to in my jewelry store.

COUNCILMAN GORE: I’ll help you out there to this extent. The state legislature could at any time, we’re all instruments of the state legislature. The state legislature could pass a law at any time consolidating whatever they want including consolidating this government body. That’s the one you really have to go after.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: And I don’t think the current statutes authorize consolidation. They merely authorize the Township Council to take action to disband a fire district. But it doesn’t authorize us to say the districts you have to consolidate. We don’t have the authority to do that.

MR. MACDONALD: it would seem to me according to this law you’d have to at least have two petitions from two adjoining districts because district A could say that’s nice that you people all want to consolidate with, but we’re in district B. What’s that have to do with us? Unless District B and A say well, maybe they can consolidate with each other. So it might be best to have four or five or six. But why can’t somebody come up with the law You’re operating pursuant to the

20 law. We’ve got three lawyers. I’ve called the OLS, I’ve called the legal department, I’ve called Greenstein. No one can come up with the law, and yet we’re operating pursuant to the law.

PRESIDENT PONE: Greenstein can do it.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: You’re legislators can introduce something.

MR. MACDONALD: They gave me less time than anybody.

PRESIDENT PONE: Legally, they can do it, we can’t.

MR. MACDONALD: The library, I’ve noticed that in the newspaper, they had a little article, “Library is now taken off the township tax reporting Bill” or whatever you want to say.

PRESIDENT PONE: It’s reported separately from municipal.

MR. MACDONALD: Now, the fire has been reported separately for years now. Now it just seems to me as though we’re laying the ground work. Now I know Mr. Ricci wanted to appoint a vice-whatever for the library. Whoever the chief honcho was, there was going to be an under- man. So now the library is taken off the reporting. So now we have the township, the fire, and the library. So I fully expect the library expenses to leap.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: No, the only change was simply, it was always part of your municipal taxes. And by law, there’s a certain amount that we have to use for the library every year. So there’s no change in the taxes for anyone. It just simply says 3% of our money goes to the library, it’s just showing that. There’s no other change. The library has certain autonomy, but their budget is really controlled by statute to dictate how much we have to allocate for the library every year. And I think it comes out to about what $10 a resident or something. It’s something pretty low.

MR. MACDONALD: This firing range thing that was up earlier, something about the retired policemen and they can use the firing range. Who’s going to get the permit to carry? Is that only for retired policemen, or are the retired policemen going to operate the range? But anyone who wants to…

PRESIDENT PONE: No, it’s just for the retired police officers to get their permits.

MR. MACDONALD: Retention basins, these people are here. My own personal belief is retention basins are making work, totally useless project. I haven’t seen one yet that makes any sense at all. The one in front of the ACME on Broad Street, it’s ridiculous, Since the earth cooled off, the water has been draining away. Now all of the sudden, we have a retention basin. It devalues their property. There’s another one near Montage Burrow on White Horse Avenue. It used to be a school. Absolutely no purpose at all. It devalues their property. What it actually does is collects water that normally would have just drained away. It collects it and theoretically, slowly releases it into the storm drain system. So what this actually does is add to the flooding, add to the likelihood of flooding down the river. Because they’re collecting water that use to just drain away. This is completely make work, you people should use your bully pull pit to tell the state you think it’s a fake phony fraud project. It’s just there to generate work. Give these township inspectors or engineering department or something, excuse to hire more. It’s a drain on the taxpayer, and if somebody said… When I was going around getting my petitions, the guy was loading up the truck he said we’re going down to North Carolina. He took his three grown daughters, and they’re gone. They signed my petition and they left. So the people are leaving left and right, and this is one of the reasons. Because of these fake, phony, fraud projects. I challenge you people to get any engineer you have in this building, you bring him in here. We’ll get as many people as we can out here, and we’ll debate the value of these projects. I want to see him explain to these people the value of a drainage basin. I bet he can’t. They have absolutely no value. C.K. Broth out there on Broad Street that’s been for sale for a couple of years now. You ride by and you see this square pipes, so it’s obvious that whoever buys that is going to be stuck with putting a drainage basin there. Now why? Anybody could buy that, rake out the lawn, mow the grass, and they got a nice yard. Why should they be forced to put a drainage basin there, absolutely no reason? It’s done for one reason; it’s an extension of welfare. Now we have to hire more government workers and the taxpayer and the property owner are forced to pay for it, its extortion.

PRESIDENT PONE: Thank you Mr. MacDonald.

MR. MACDONALD: The lady with the boat, If it’s on a trailer, the trailer’s registered. Just like a political sign that’s on a trailer and the trailer is registered, there’s one in Yardville. You’re stuck, I think.

PRESIDENT PONE: Mr. MacDonald, you’re time is up.

MR. MACDONALD: One more thing, the storm drains. I found a political sign down a storm drain up on Route 130. This lady found Styrofoam. Most of the time it’s just leaves. Now it’s good that you people are putting in these storm drains where you can’t even get a bottle in there anymore. You need an ordinance mandating that the property owner who lives, if they have a storm drain in front of their property, you have to go out and clean the top of the storm drain off. Because there’s leaves, the leaves, the leaves come down they clog up the storm drain. And the dummies in the house, and there’s a flood out in the street and they’re too fricken lazy to go out and clean off the top of their own storm drain. So it’s good that you’re making them more difficult to get into. But you have to follow up with the ordinance mandating that when they’re mowing their grass, and they’re raking their leaves, that they rake their leaves off the top of the storm drain. I mean, I’ve seen them again out and I see them right in front of my jewelry store. I go and I clean out the neighbor’s storm drain because I don’t want a flood there. And you could see them all up and down Broad Street. Anywhere you go, I mean I was all the way up north of Hightstown. Same problem, they’re mowing the grass, the yard is beautiful, and the storm drain is got all this grass lying in there. And they’re sitting on the porch drinking Pina Colada or something, and the storm drain is clogged up.

MS. JANICE GLONEK, 432 Trinity Avenue: I came in, downstairs is completely black. There’s no lights, I thought there was no meeting.

The post office deal, I got a letter from Verizon, it said Trenton, like Augie. I called; they said everything comes from the Trenton post Office. So what post office delivers your mail, that’s your address?

East State Street Extension, That I think, the way it’s laid out from 295 on up, I mean, those people can back out. It’s laned wide enough, that they can back out if they’re facing the wrong way waiting for the traffic to go by and pull out. You can park two cars side by side there. I do not see a problem with that road at all. Now, Estates Boulevard, they had the bike lanes put in. I mean, you feel closter phobic now driving down that road. The cars are parked, you have this bike lane then you have like oh my God, can I fit down this little stretch here? It drives you nuts.

PRESIDENT PONE: Therefore, you have to go slow. It’s a traffic calming thing.

MS. GLONEK: Oh is it, but still give you closter phobia. But the East state street deal, that’s nice and wide. And you’re coming down hill; you’re going to pick up speed a little bit. Most people really don’t, but that’s just my opinion.

Number four, if you have a neighbor who is not taking care of their yard, can you call HamStat and have something done?

PRESIDENT PONE: Sure.

MS. GLONEK: Because I don’t know what happened, but they’re not taking care of it. And they have the street sign of Carlisle and Rutgers right on the corner. And you stop there because it’s a stop street; the weeds are eye level as you’re looking down the street.

MR. RICCI: Just call the HamStat number.

PRESIDENT PONE: it has to be addressed, and it can be ultimately a health problem, and the health department may have to get involved.

MR. RICCI: If it gets to the point, they’ll get a violation notice. If they don’t take care of it, we’ll send a township crew out to cut it and then send a bill to the property owner.

MS. GLONEK: Okay because they have weeds growing so high, and then the other thing too, it’s kind of not their fault. But I mean, you think well if it’s not happening, why don’t you change your location? They are the only house between Rutgers and Vetterlein on Carlisle that

faces that section of the street. So needless to say, nine times out of ten the garbage people do not pick up their garbage. Recycle is the big one. Their recycle bucket is still out there since Thursday because their recycle did not pick it up. They do not take it back. And then all of the stuff is blowing all over the street and they just leave it there. now, you think they would say well since the garbage men and the recycle people don’t come in that section because there’s only one house in part of the block. Like move it down closer to the corner so they see it and pick it up. But that sits there all the time too, but they’ll probably say about that one that’s not picked up. So aren’t they supposed to take it back in, or can they still …?

MR. RICCI: They should call the same number we told you to call, the HamStat number. And they’ll see that their garbage gets picked up or their recycling.

MS. GLONEK: Okay, because it’s a disaster, but I can call the HamStat.

PRESIDENT PONE: You’re right it shouldn’t be left out there.

MS. GLONEK: HamStat though, they are very good. They solve problems very quickly.

PRESIDENT PONE: They do, thank you.

MR. VINCENT CAPODANNO, 65 Englewood Boulevard: I’ve been hearing about the fire districts since the days of Rafferty when he worked with the studies and all that. Coming from New York City, they always talk about consolidation. I like what you said Mr. Gore. It’s up to the firemen; it’s up to the fire companies to determine what they want to do. Because they have the expertise, we don’t. The people of Hamilton have the opportunity to go vote. So if you really don’t like the budget, vote it down. It’s probably the purest form of freedom that you can think of, it’s in our charter. So coming from New York City, I mean, we have one fire department, it’s a gigantic budget, it doesn’t go away. One police department don’t go away, the budget. The sanitation department, it’s not going away. It’s just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So if anybody thinks that all of the sudden you just have a magic wand, and you consolidate all the fire departments that them budgets are going to go away, that’s nonsense and they might grow. So if the people go out and they vote the way they’re supposed to and not come out with 200 people at a firehouse or eighty at a firehouse… If they come out and vote, and express how they feel about the budget and put pressure on the fire departments, they’ll get what they want. So all these fire studies, that company that came in from Cherry Hill, who says they’re right? There’s one thing as a Councilman I wouldn’t listen to, is me getting involved when it comes to police and fire without talking to them and understanding how they feel. I had an opportunity to be a cop, I wouldn’t be a cop, it’s too dangerous. I had an opportunity to be a fireman in New York. I passed everything, I wouldn’t do it, and it’s too dangerous. So as far as I’m concerned, they have a hard job. It’s really an unsafe job. And they should determine their own future.

MR. BRUCE MACDONALD, 108 Yardville-Allentown Road: I read the Hamilton Post again, and it was describing fires. And I read this one; they described a fire that was in a broom closet. At end, they said the fire was confined to the janitor’s closet or something like that. Six fire trucks were called to go to that fire from six different fire companies. I read the article very carefully. I said oh my God! Now every month in the Hamilton Post, they publish the whole article about all the different fire districts. And they’ll say well, Rusling thirteen extractions, five fires, and you say oh my God, these guys are really busy. So then you read this thing where they called six fire trucks to put out a broom closet fire. And then you figure well now I guess they’re using these figures. Let’s say all of them had to go to this fire, so that’s a fire. So then at the end of the month, they report that. Six different departments we all went to a fire. Now, it’s quite obvious that they’re exaggerating what they do.

Now there’s a house in Yardville, yeah it caught fire. It looked like it was a fairly big fire and somebody came and put it out, thank God. But it was obviously set by the owner of the house. The fire commissioners are going to vote one way, and that’s to expand. The taxpayers are home watching television and it’s pretty much up to the Council and the government to do the right thing. And they’ve got the law set up so you can’t do the right thing according to Councilman Gore because you need a petition, and no one can seem to come up with the petition. Now the government can expand on its own, But when it comes time to contract, we need a petition, and nobody knows where the petition is. And nobody knows about the law to get the petition. Now there’s something not quite right going on about that. I forgot about the zoning thing, this presentation, Caton. If I remember correctly, they were here last year. State law, they have to come up with a plan every year?

PRESIDENT PONE: No.

MR. MACDONALD: Every two years, every five years?

PRESIDENT PONE: It’s updated regularly, but I don’t know what the time.

MR. MACDONALD: The guy is a sincere person, I’m sure, and the lady. Someone went through a lot of work. It’s irrelevant, we all know that. There’s people moving out. Why do you have to zone something a particular way? Why don’t you just say this is residential, everything else can be anything. How many people do you have knocking on your door saying we want to put a factory here? Come on, they’re closing factories down, we all know that. You’re creating more… The Mayor gets on and says oh, we got the tri factor, we got a foreign car dealership on Route 33. he wouldn’t sign my petition. Nobody in there would sign my petition. Because they want to sell foreign cars and they know I want to do stuff . So we sell American cars, so they wouldn’t sign.

And then we have more retail, so we can bring in more Chinese made goods and sell more Chinese goods which closes down more factories. So we get more people out of the Northeast even quicker. Everything we’re doing in this government is destroying this country, and I don’t care whether you’re Republican or Democrat. Although, I would lean in a certain direction, and I think we both know which way it is. But it just seems like a waste of taxpayer money to have a state law which mandates that somebody come in and update our zoning ordinances and they’re pretty much irrelevant. It would be nice if someone would come in and say hey we want to do this. Come to the Council and say here’s our plans, we need a building this big, we like that building or we like this space. Here’s what we want to put here. Can we do it, yes or no?

PRESIDENT PONE: And they do it all the time, that happens all the time.

MR. MACDONALD: Well why don’t you just do that instead of hiring these people?

PRESIDENT PONE: It would go to the zoning board if it’s not permitted, it would go to the planning board if it is.

MR. MACDONALD: Why don’t you just do that instead of paying my taxpayer dollars to this guy Caton, every year or every five.

Now I got another question for you.

PRESIDENT PONE: Quickly, you’re way over your time.

MR. MACDONALD: How much money did Mr. Caton contribute to the Republican Party this year?

PRESIDENT PONE: Not a clue, couldn’t tell you.

MR. MACDONALD: I didn’t think you would. I’m sure he contributed something to one. Whether it be the Republican State Committee, the county committee. He does these things, I heard somebody say for many different Township Councils. So obviously, he does this all over the state. I’m quite certain he makes pretty big contributions.

PRESIDENT PONE: Look it up Bruce.

MR. MACDONALD: I don’t have to, I got it out there.

Comments from the Council

COUNCILMAN GORE: Mr. Scotto, you sir are my mentor in matters of the Constitution. Until you came and pointed me in the right direction, I rarely read the Constitution. Now actually, I read it quite a bit. You complained about the post office when we had to do something. Article I, enumerated powers, the postal service is an enumerated power of the congress. You have to go to the House of Representatives or Senate for help there. But you knew that, you were just testing us, right? I do agree with you though. Those enumerated powers are the only powers that Congress has, but the post office is one of those enumerated powers.

Secondly, regarding our friends at Alessio Terrace, and I’ll leave it at this. You heard, they did knock down and cut down trees that were several of them perhaps 100 years old, two foot wide. I defy a home owner to try to do that on their property without the rath of any governmental agency from DEP to EPA or anybody else coming down with a full weight of government. Yet, the turnpike authority can do that without even noticing the citizens. And in effect, in violation perhaps of the Fifth Amendment taking the value of their properties. So something to be kept in mind when you hear about people in governments encroaching upon rights.

And finally, coming from a family of fire fighters. Fire fighters are called to a scene of a fire, and when they get there, if it’s a large building, several fire companies are sometimes called. When they arrive, generally they don’t know whether or not it’s a situation where there’s a fire in a broom closet. Or in the case of the World Trade Center, where a plane flew into it, a situation with substantial damage, and where perhaps several hundred fire fighters may be in a position to lose their life. So I thank God for our fire service. And don’t begrudge any of the work that they do. And realize you can’t cut costs sometimes when they’re dealing with lives and public safety. Thank you Mr. President.

COUNCILWOMAN YAEDE: Thank you Mr. President. I would like to recognize the Township staff. For those of you that did attend the Fourth of July fireworks, I have to say it was probably one of the largest attendance that we’ve ever had at the fireworks. And I’d like to congratulate Cathy Tramontana and her team over at parks and recreation for putting on such a great event. And I had the opportunity to speak to several residents and some of them came as far as South Jersey to come and attend these fire works. So I just want to wish everyone a happy remainder of your summer. And again, thank you to Cathy Tramontana and her team on a job well done.

COUNCILMAN KENNY: I would like to reiterate, yes the township did an outstanding job. And the Mayor again raised most of the money privately, so that we could have the fireworks at no cost to the taxpayers. Because of difficult financial times that all governments are facing, he’s done a great effort in finding other sources of funds which has enabled us to not raise taxes for three years. Also, have a great rest of your night. We appreciate everybody comes out and gives us input. We don’t have another meeting till August 16, we’ll be back here.

VICE-PRESIDENT MEARA: Thank you Mr. President, I’d like to thank members of the public, for coming out this evening. All my fellow members of Council and the administration for their support this evening and especially our Clerk’s office.

I have to say that Mr. MacDonald raised an important point or at least an interesting point when he was talking about the zoning board. Because as Councilman Gore brought up Mr. Scotto, I was looking at him and I was thinking about his feelings on appointed people making decisions. So I’m thinking Mr. Scotto probably would be happy if the Council could determine all the zoning and planning for the township. Because we are directly elected by the people. I think there’s actually legislation because right now, the zoning board, the Mayor appoints them and we appoint them. Confirm them. But I think there’s legislation actually that allows the Council to change that, and direct the zoning board through the Council. I think so Mr. Scotto. You might want to look into that. Also, one of the members of the public had mentioned I think about the DEP. They tried to get information. I’m concerned about that. I myself, have two letters into the DEP regarding the Italian-American Property. But Mr. Kevin Shick, the Bureau Chief, who I spoke to today was very very helpful. So I will reach out to him. And if need be, I will reach out to the Council president about inviting the DEP in here to talk to us and answer some questions. Because although this was approved by the zoning board, obviously with the soil testing that’s going on, and some of the changes that I’m understanding that the DEP might be doing with the stream bed in that property. The development of this plot is far from over as far as I’m concerned. Also I did request from our engineer’s office that the most recent soil testing at least be transferred onto a map that would show the best practices layout of where testing should be. And I’m sorry Mr. Chapen had left because the map that he held up looks like he already did that. And I’m hoping that maybe he could get that information to our engineering department because that’s what I was requesting. So if you do have contact with him, if it’s a CAD file or anything, it might save our township engineer a little work, who’s done an awful lot of work to oversee this. Again Rich, I want to thank you very much for all of your cooperation and the questions that you’ve answered for me. But I will reach out to the DEP again.

And with that, thank you Mr. President. Everybody have a good night.

PRESIDENT PONE: I also want to thank everybody for coming out and sticking with us, and your great suggestions. Ed, I’m surprised that Ames Hoyt or you didn’t jump out of your chair when Mr. MacDonald was talking about storm water basins, but you didn’t. So I appreciate that. And that goes to the point, of our lack of expertise on everything. I think mr. Capodanno brought that to light. I’ve sat a liaison to the environmental commission for several years now. And the amount of stuff I learn is amazing. But I think there’s some engineers out there that could tell us a little bit about how those things are necessary and do work as we displace land with development and things of that nature. But all information is put through our brains. But we’re not experts. We need experts to help us. We need experts from the fire department, we need engineers from the township. We need outside engineers.

Kevin’s done a lot of work on this particular property in question. And I appreciate that. I’ve gone through that, and it is time consuming. It takes a lot of time to get back to people. I’ve gone to DEP a couple of times to the building to get documents and do OPRA requests and things of that nature. But I do appreciate the effort you’ve put in Kevin. Even though we’ve had our disagreements on the procedure of the situation. I don’t disagree with your passion for making sure that that’s a clean piece of property when they build houses on it.

With that, have a great night everybody. We’ll see you August 16th. Thank you.

Adjournment:

______Eileen A. Gore, RMC/CMC Dennis Pone Municipal Clerk Council President

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