Do You Hear What I Hear – Part III Overcoming Interview

Tim Reddick, CPP, PCI, CFE Managing Director Desert Thunder Investigations

1 Background Director, Fraud & Special Investigations, City of Philadelphia, Office of the Controller Corporate Security Investigations Group Lead, Saudi Aramco (Saudi Arabian Oil Company) Chief, Drug Enforcement, Air Force Office of Special Investigations Investigations Specialist, FDIC

Background Graduate, US Air Force Air Command & Staff College, Air University MS, Criminology, Florida State University Graduate, FBI National Academy Graduate Work, University of Virginia, University of Southern California, University of Georgia BS, Criminal Justice, Oklahoma City University

Background

Certified Fraud Examiner (CFE) and CFE of the Year, 2011 Board Certified in Security Management (CPP) and Investigations (PCI) ASIS International Professional Certification Board International Award of Excellence, 2007 ASIS International Investigations Council Member Life Member, International Association of Chief of Police

1 INTRODUCTION

 My Background  Class Background  What Certifications Represented?  Previous Interviewing Courses?  Agency Interviewing Policy

OVERVIEW

 Review of Previous Information  Common Interview Mistakes  Interview Planning  Interview Outline  Interview Bias

WHY INTERVIEWING?

“The most effective tool for gathering information is interviewing people”  witnesses  victim  accused/suspect  informants: acquaintances/friends colleagues relatives employers

2 COMMUNICATION

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COMMUNICATION

Full article at plato.stanford.edu/entries/information-semantic/

What makes a story? “A truthful statement reflects reality”

PEOPLE ACTIVITIES OBJECTS LOCATIONS TIME

3 PREVIOUS INFORMATION  Vocal, Verbal and Non-Verbal indicators  Othello’s Error – Accused or think you don’t believe them, non-verbal indicators no longer valid  Micro-Expressions – quick but show hidden emotions  Cognitive Overload – when deceiving, two competing ideas increase indicators.

FIVE COMMON INTERVIEW MISTAKES

 The failure to plan for the interview   Settled into the “Interviewing Comfort Zone”  The rapidly diminishing capability to pay attention  Personalizing the interview

INTERVIEW OUTLINE  Introductions, preliminary Questions Establish Rapport and get “normal” reactions  Open ended Questions  Clarification Questions Use Subjects Language Move to “tougher” Questions Save “Toughest” Questions for last

4 INTERVIEW OUTLINE

Conclusion  End on good note  Tell them what to expect next  Let them know if they may be interviewed again  Let them know you are available for any follow-up or additional information

DEFINITION - BIAS

Bias means that a person prefers an idea and possibly does not give equal chance to a different idea. Bias can be influenced by a number of factors.

COMMON BIAS

 Perception Bias  Confirmation Bias  Memory Bias  Attention Bias  Evidence Bias

5 PERCEPTION BIAS

 Perception bias is a built in – instinctual survival mechanism  Everyone has some than could affect their perceptions  We tend to have opinions based on our backgrounds

PERCEPTION BIAS  - The tendency to underestimate the influence or strength of feelings, in either oneself or others  Mere exposure effect - The tendency to express undue liking for things merely because of familiarity with them  Need to recognize your biases and work to overcome them

PERCEPTION BIAS

 Misinformation effect - Memory becoming less accurate because of interference from post-event information

6 CONFIRMATION BIAS

 The tendency to search for, interpret, focus on and remember information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions  Focusing effect - The tendency to place too much importance on one aspect of an event

CONFIRMATION BIAS  Observation - The effect of suddenly noticing things that were not noticed previously – and as a result wrongly assuming that the frequency has increased.  Irrational escalation - The phenomenon where people justify increased investment in a decision, based on the cumulative prior investment, despite new evidence suggesting that the decision was probably wrong.

INTERVIEWER “DECODING”  Interviewer has substantial facts and story doesn’t fit facts  More use of closed versus open questions  If Interviewer believes subject is lying  More awareness of deceptive clues

7 CONFIRMATION BIAS

 Polygraph Study  False Confessions

Source: The Innocence Project

MEMORY BIAS

 False memory - A form of misattribution where imagination is mistaken for a memory.  Leveling and Sharpening Memory - distortions introduced by the loss of details in a recollection over time. Both biases may be reinforced over time, and by repeated recollection or re-telling of a memory

8 MEMORY BIAS  From IG Report During Interview (Interview Memo) Questions to Witnesses In Report of Investigation  Murder Interview Came in Garage Door First saw him when he approached carpet  Police Officer Shooting

Listening Issues Be curious - non-judgmental and non-blaming Understand! (…and show it!) Concentrate on what the other person is saying and feeling Listen without interrupting or planning your response Show interest in what the other person is saying - they are watching! Be tolerant, flexible, intuitive and positive! Practice “Active Listening” skills

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Improving Observational Abilities

 Audio/Video of Interviews  Two Angles is best  Equipment cost has reduced considerably  Have a fully vetted policy

9 ATTENTION BIAS

 Previously, smokers had a tendency to lose focus.  Any distractions during interview can increase Attention Bias  Stress of Interview can rapidly deteriorate focusing ability

PAYING ATTENTION

 Over the last few years, the attention span of adults has reduced from 12 to 5 minutes  The Cell phone and text generation  Everything is SMS (Short Message Duration)  Can affect both the interviewer and interviewee

EVIDENCE BIAS

 People tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position  The “CSI Effect” can also unduly influence the interviewer  Unvalidated or Improper Forensics

10 EVIDENCE BIAS

 Fingerprints  Ballistics, Tool Markings, Hair & Fiber  Polygraph  Handwriting Analysis (Mics)  Eyewitness and Line Up  Interviews & Confessions

Source: The Innocence Project

The Call In

 Uh, let me respond to that…  I think that we’ve been supportive  I think we just recently issued a global message on that.  Important part (clears throat) of our workplace environment

11 BROKAW HAZZARD Belief that circumlocution is the omnipresent sentinel of a lie Refers to the common error of not comparing a person in a relaxed (default state) to the moment of analysis. Some people seem anxious, when they are completely at ease, and this will change from person to person.  The simple rule is to know the person before making snap judgments.

The Call In Compared  Uh, let me respond to that… Used that and other “delays” on numerous occasions. Not unusual on complex questions  I think” and “we Continually used “I think” and “we” in this and previous call-ins.  So What do we KNOW?

SUPPORT TELEWORKING?  Question was “personally support”  To a reasonably certainty, We Don’t Know  HE didn’t say that he does, so WE can’t say that he does.  He also didn’t say that he didn’t support it, so we can’t say that either.  Investigative Hypothesis – Some conflict but wants to show “unified” support by using “We”.

12 5 WAYS TO REDUCE BIAS  Recognize we all have biases  Identify situations in which biases, may effect interactions (i.e. Interviews)  Reduce Confirmation Bias  Combat Memory Bias  Practice Empathy

REDUCING BIAS  Ask open-ended questions and listen to the response  Find something that places the person in the same “category” as you  Surround yourself with images that defy stereotypes  Actively pursue relationships with different type of people

REDUCING BIAS  Determine criteria BEFORE making a decision  Check interview recordings and/or notes to confirm information  Consider why the Suspect might be innocent.  Distinction bias The tendency to view two options as more dissimilar when evaluating them simultaneously than when evaluating them separately

13 REDUCING BIAS

 Proper nutrition, “good” carbs, brain healthy foods and caffeine before interviews  Use techniques that open you up to “alternatives”, i.e.  Alter routines  How you dress in the morning  Different routes to work or home

INTERVIEWER “BIAS”  All of us have pre-conceptions about people – Perception Bias  Believes subject committed the “act” – Confirmation Bias  Hearing what you want to hear – Memory Bias  Lack of Attention – Attention Bias  Over reliance on unreliable evidence – Evidence Bias

Contact Information

Tim Reddick, CPP, PCI, CFE Managing Director Desert Thunder Investigations Phone: 602-341-5121, Email: [email protected] www.dtinvestigations.com

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