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Contest Scores for the Toronto Optimists Introduction When you look at these scores you might notice a large difference in scores from one contest to another and, perhaps, wonder why there is such a variation. Let me give you a bit of information to deepen your understanding. DCI, founded in 1972, has always used standardized scoring and point allocation. As a result, wherever a corps competes in a DCI contest, the judging rules are the same; however, that was not always the case. The majority of the contests listed here were held before the existence of DCI. Many things were different pre-DCI. For example, the only field markings were usually an outline of the field and, if you were lucky, there was a line that marked centre field. There was an inspection and inspection penalties, counted in tenths, could cause a corps to lose. Penalties relating to the rules regarding the National flag, however, were counted in points! In addition, corps competed in multiple jurisdictions and each had its own set of rules and point allocation. For example, New York state rules allocated 45 points to General Effect (GE) and 55 points for the execution categories while the Midwest only allocated 10 points for GE and gave 90 points to execution! In fact, different contests in the same area might use different rules! For example, one contest in New York might use All-American rules while another could use the rules for the New York State Judges Association. For a more comprehensive read, check out this article about "Old Skool Drum Corps that is on our website. For those who don’t want to get distracted by a link, I have included some examples showing how points were allocated under a few different sets of rules. Examples of Point Allocation by Contest The table on the next page shows examples of point allocation in a variety of contests (the information was taken from contest programs). The total for execution categories could range from 55 points all the way to 90 points while the total for GE could vary from as little as 10 points all the way to 45 points. Also, inspection penalties could easily cause a corps to lose a contest – before they even stepped on the field to perform! As you can see, when it came to assigning scores to a corps performance there was an absence of consistency and uniformity. The result was that the same performance could yield different results depending on which judging system was used. Competition scores for the Toronto Optimists (1958 – 1975) Prepared by Bob Carell Last revised: November 19, 2020 www.TorontoOptimistsHistory.ca Page 1 Samples of Point Allocation by Contest Execution Exec GE GE Jurisdiction Inspection M&M Bugles Drums Total M&M Bugles Drums Total All-American 30 25 25 80 20 (1958) New Jersey 30 30 30 90 10 (1962) Canadian 25 20 20 65 15 10 10 35 Nationals (1963 Mundelein, IL 30 30 30 90 10 (1963) NY All-American 30 20 20 70 10 10 10 30 (1963) NY State (1963) 25 15 15 55 15 15 15 45 Pittsburg, PA 10 30 20 20 70 20 (1963) Racine, WI (1964) 10 20 20 20 60 30 Rochester, NY 20 20 15 55 15 15 15 45 (1964) Wisconsin (1964) 10 20 20 20 60 30 Kingston NY 30 25 25 80 20 (1965) New Jersey 30 25 25 80 20 (1967) Competition scores for the Toronto Optimists (1958 – 1975) Prepared by Bob Carell Last revised: November 19, 2020 www.TorontoOptimistsHistory.ca Page 2 Scores for the Toronto Optimists from 1958 – 1975 Compiled using material collected by Vern Reid, Ian Erb, Bob Carell, various publications plus the websites dcxmuseum.org and fromthepressbox.com This document should be considered a work-in-progress. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to validate the information I’ve found and I know that some internet listings are not accurate. For example, I’ve found internet listings that include the Toronto Optimists even though the Optimists were not at the contest. I’ve also found multiple listings for the same contest but the listings have differing scores. I will make changes when I find additional scores, discover errors or others give me corrections. Saturday May 31, 1958 1958 Scores/Results BATAVIA, New York IND - St Joseph's of Batavia In 1958 the Toronto Optimists began competing at the Junior “A” level. They had a goal – defeat Preston Scout House, the reigning Canadian Champions. 1. 82.01 . Audubon Bon Bons, Audubon, NJ Optimists, to their own surprise, accomplished this task in their first year of 2. 81.82 . St Vincent's Cadets, Bayonne, NJ competition. In addition to the Optimists, there was another new kid on the 3. 81.74 . Garfield Cadets, Garfield, NJ block in 1958. The band at De La Salle “Oaklands” became a drum corps and 4. 71.84 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON it, too, entered the field of competition. A local rivalry developed between Del and Opti and it lasted throught the existence of these corps. Saturday June 21, 1958 Saturday May 3, 1958 East York Stadium, Toronto University Avenue Armouries, Toronto Toronto Optimists in Exhibition 1. 79.75 . Preston Scout House Band 1. 76.42 . Preston Scout House Band 2. 75.92 . Toronto Optimists 2. 73.67 . De La Salle Oaklands 3. 71.76 . Don Mills Sky Raiders 3. 71.38 . Don Mills Sky Raiders 4. 67.77 . Grantham Police Boys Band 4. 67.29 . Leaside Lions 5. 63.42 . Leaside Lions Jungle Kings, Toronto, ON 5. 55.01 . St. Mary’s (Toronto) 6. 57.85 . St. Marys Toronto, ON Competition scores for the Toronto Optimists (1958 – 1975) Prepared by Bob Carell Last revised: November 19, 2020 www.TorontoOptimistsHistory.ca Page 3 Saturday July 12, 1958 3. 75.60 . De La Salle Oaklands, Toronto, ON Falconer, NY 4. 74.30 . Grantham Police Boys, St Catharines, ON 5. 71.10 . Port Dalhousie Guardsmen, Port Dalhousie, ON (Senior) 1. 79.72 . Preston Scout House Band 2. 79.47 . Toronto Optimists 3. 78.59 . Niagara Militaires (Senior Corps) Saturday September 13, 1958 4. 76.58 . Erie Continentals (Senior Corps) GALT, Ontario 5. 70.02 . Brockport-Batavia Cavaliers (Senior Corps) CANADIAN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS Dickson Park Canadian Bugle & Trumpet Band Association Monday August 4, 1958 NIAGARA FALLS, Ontario Junior Class A: Canadian Bugle & Trumpet Band Association 1. 81.61 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 2. 80.11 . Scout House Bugle Band, Preston, ON 1. 73.25 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 3. 77.09 . De La Salle Oaklands, Toronto, ON 2. 71.12 . Niagara Memorial Militaires, Niagara Falls, ON (Senior 4. 75.42 . Grantham Police Boys, St Catharines, ON Corps) 5. 73.33 . Sky Raiders, Don Mills, ON 3. 68.62 . Grantham Police Boys, St Catharines, ON 6. 66.99 . Royal Knights, Toronto, ON 4. 65.86 . Port Dalhousie Guardsmen, Port Dalhousie, ON (Senior Corps) Sunday September 28, 1958 Saturday August 30, 1958 BUFFALO, New York C.N.E., Toronto, Ontario DRUMS ALONG THE NIAGARA Memorial Auditorium 1. 83.50 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON Indoor/Standstill 2. 78.19 . Grantham Police Boys, St Catharines, ON 3. 77.90 . De La Salle Oaklands, Toronto 1. 92.32 . Grey Knights, Rochester, NY 4. 64.81 . Royal Knights, Toronto, ON 2. 91.56 . Marching Ambassadors, Toronto, ON 3. 90.79 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 4. 90.21 . Erie County Continentals, Buffalo, NY Monday September 1, 1958 5. 89.12 . Guelph Royalaires, Guelph, ON MERRITTON, Ontario 6. 86.50 . De La Salle Oaklands, Toronto, ON MERRITON COMMUNITY DAYS 7. 85.59 . Niagara-Dunkirk Cataract Cavaliers, Dunkirk, NY Canadian Bugle & Trumpet Band Association 1. 79.60 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 2. 76.60 . Niagara Memorial Militaires, Niagara Falls, ON (Senior) Competition scores for the Toronto Optimists (1958 – 1975) Prepared by Bob Carell Last revised: November 19, 2020 www.TorontoOptimistsHistory.ca Page 4 Saturday July 4, 1959 1959 Scores/Results ROCHESTER, NY Saturday May 16, 1959 1. 86.91 . Jolly Jesters, Toronto, ON (Seniors) Don Mills, Ontario 2. 86.81 . Crusaders, Hilton, NY (Seniors) PARADE OF CHAMPIONS 3. 85.42 . Niagara Memorial Militaires Niagara Falls, ON Don Mills Arena (Seniors) Don Mills Lions Club 4. 85.21 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 5. 82.55 . Continentals, Buffalo, NY (Seniors) 1. 82.50 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 2. 73.00 . De La Salle Oaklands, Toronto, ON 3. 63.50 . Grantham Police Boys, St Catharines, ON 4. 75.00 . Lions Jungle Kings, Leaside, ON Saturday July 11, 1959 5. 52.00 . Midtowners, Toronto, ON FALCONER, NY 6. 48.00 . St Mary's, Toronto, ON 7. 42.50 . Belltones, Brantford, ON 1. 82.44 . Crusaders, Hilton, NY (Seniors) 2. 80.67 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 3. 79.30 . Niagara Memorial Militaires Niagara Falls, ON Sunday May 31, 1959 (Seniors) JERSEY CITY, New Jersey 4. 72.73 . Tri-County Cavaliers, Rochester, NY (Seniors) PREVIEW OF CHAMPIONS 5. 72.35 . Cornplanters, Warren, PA (Seniors) IND - St Patrick's Cadets 1. 88.20 . Blessed Sacrament Golden Knights, Newark, NJ 2. 88.20 . St Vincent's Cadets, Bayonne, NJ Saturday July 25, 1959 3. 79.05 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON WELLAND, ON 4. 77.40 . Paterson Cadets, Paterson, NJ 5. 75.65 . Cambridge Caballeros, Cambridge, MA 1. 80.40 . Jolly Jesters, Toronto, ON (Seniors) 2. 79.10 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 3. 78.30 . Niagara Memorial Militaires Niagara Falls, ON Saturday July 1, 1959 (Seniors) WOODSTOCK, Ontario 4. 70.85 . De La Salle Oaklands, Toronto, ON WESTERN ONTARIO CHAMPIONSHIPS Woodstock Imperials 1. 81.30 . Toronto Optimists, Toronto, ON 2. 75.45 . Scout House Bugle Band, Preston, ON 3.
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