Minutes from Nordic Classic Road Racing Meeting 2020

Date: 21 st of October 2020 as Teams meeting Venue: Locally and Teams meeting Adress: NA

Participants at the Skype meeting:

Søren Holm - DMU Teddy Schultz – DMU Tor Henning Molstad – NMF Espen J Sandbakken – NMF Per Holmström – Svemo Björn Nordensten – Svemo Pentti Elo - SML Janne Leiman – SML

Minutes of the Meeting:

1. Opening of the meeting Due to difficulties to meet this year the meeting was held as a Skype meeting; managed by Norway. Tor-Henning opened the meeting.

2. Election of the Chairman of the meeting Tor-Henning was elected.

3. Election of the Secretary of the meeting The NMF suggested Per Holmström as Secretary of the meeting. Per Holmström was elected.

4. Short presentation of everybody Since we have some new people in the meeting, everybody gave a short introduction to themselves. Espen; member of CRC and Solör mck. He is technical project leader at Nortura. Also licensed as technical scrutineer, both on national and international level. Janne: Member of SVKMK, been in racing for around 20 years. Own a company dealing mainly with street bikes. Pentti; Got a motorcycle workshop, started in 1972. The same year as he started racing. Rode in modern road racing until 1989. Since then he had been a part of the classic racing family. Sören: Had been into classic racing for the last 20 years. Still racing a Moto Guzzi 500 in class 7b and one 750 in class 6.

1 / 10 Teddy: Work as head of the laser department in a company that sells equipment to the Nordic market. Been in classic racing for 5 years. Rides a Yamaha XS-2 in class 6. Ha d been in the technical committee a couple of years. Tor-Henning: Always been interested in English bikes and visited classic race meetings as a spectator. Been racing for the last 20 years. Got a Sealey G50, an (classic superbike). Always been working with race meetings and technical parts of the CRC. Probably only guy who won a race in Finland on a Finnish bike (Ari’s). Per: Started with classic racing 1989 on a 750 Rickman triumph. Been active within MCHK-racing for the last 20 years (at least). Björn: 50 years old and been racing for 30 years. Stopped racing 2 years ago. Been chairman for MCHK-racing for two years and are a member of the Swedish machine committee. Working in the SAAB group (defense).

5. Minutes from the meeting in 2019

The minutes were approved.

6. Around the table and status from the FMN’s

- SML: Have been organizing 5 national races during the year. Average number of participants was around 50-60. Planning to hold the race at Jurva 21-23 of May next year. At least 150 riders needed, this to be able to continue racing in Finland. Always trying to keep the entry fee as low as possible,

- NMF: one combined race meeting with the modern classes. This resulted in very short races and all classic classes was invited.

- SVEMO: One Nordic championship race at Gelleråsen with only around 90 starts. Normally it is 200+. We knew when we planned the event that it will be an economical gamble, but we thought it was worth it just to give an opportunity for our members to race. The financial result was a rather huge loss. The number of classic licenses and members have decreased this year.

- DMU: Two national race meetings, each with two heats per class. 120 licenses were issued. Next year the plan is to hold a Nordic championship the 30/4 to the 2/5, at Ring Djursland. This race is already approved as a FIM-E event.

- General; No general verdict could be stated this year due to the circumstances this year. In Norway the building of new bikes, especially for the new classes have been noticed via social medias. The large number of riders on track days in all Nordic countries during the past season would give us the opportunity to make some of them interested in classic racing. If anyone comes up with any good idea how to attract these riders; spread it to all other countries

7. Race Calendar 2021 2 / 10 Proposal Ring Djursland 30/4-2/5 NO + NC Danish round+FIM-E Jurva 21-23/5 NO + NC Finnish round Våler 11-13/6 NO + NC Norwegian round Årsracet 6-8/8 NO Gelleråsen 27-29/8 NO + NC Swedish round (Preliminary)

The decision was to approve these dates. The Danish organizer has been approved for a round with FIM-E status, which is supported by the meeting. We all know that the next season, at the moment, is uncertain. This, of course, due to the Corona virus.

8. Proposals from the FMN’s

8.1 SML proposal for Class 7Cf1

Federation: SML Discipline: Classic Road racing Signed by: SML Date: 2020-10-07

Technical rules forgotten 7a + 7b; Disc types; clarification

7A + 7B Period 3 through 1979/1980. (Forgotten Era) There has been uncertainty meaning of the technical definition ”ISR type”, so paragraph should replace following:

5.7. Brakes: The brakes shall not be of newer type or construction than used within the period. The discs shall not be ventilated or floating and must be made of ferrous material. Maximum diameter: 305 mm. Callipers shall be of type that was available during the period and shall not have more than 2 pistons. Single acting callipers with 2 pistons are not allowed. Drilled and slotted brake discs are allowed. Semi floating period correct brake discs are allowed.

Decision: Approved. Per H will update the Eligibility rules

Reason: It’s better to state what type that is ok, then to state a certain manufacturer.

8.2 SML proposal for Formula 1 and 2

Federation: SML Discipline: Classic Road racing Signed by: SML Date: 2020-10-07

3 / 10 VCRR 05.3.8 WHEELS & TYRES Moulded treaded tyres must be used. Slick, modified slick, and wet weather tyres are not permitted. Tyre warmers are not permitted.

Reason: To enable Formula class race with other older classes and this way to simplify race organizing, tyre rule should change

Decision: Rejected.

Reason: We fully understand the challenge when planning the heats. The ambition is to increase the number of riders in the Formula classes. Maybe “splitted” start could solve the problem with slicks and threaded tires in the same heat.

8.3 Svemo proposal change of the eligibility rules for class Formula 1

Federation: Svemo Discipline: Classic Road racing Signed by: Thomas Grandell Date: 2020-tbd

Describe the proposal in general Free engine displacement for bikes older than 1985 to make it possible to compete against the more modern bikes from 1986-1987.

Now the limit is 1100cc and if someone would like to race for example a GPZ1100, CB1100 or a GSX1100 they have at least 20 kilograms heavier motor compared to the GSXR1100 that arrived in 1986. Also, the 1100R or Yamaha FZR1000 are faster untuned original then a well-tuned GPZ1100 or equivalent engine from the period 1980-1984.

The eligibility rules are proposed to be altered with the following text General lines for classification of bikes For the FIM formula classes, the engine shall be from a road bike. Frame, suspension and wheels shall comply with regulations described above. Otherwise there are no restrictions. The cylinder volume for formula 1, 4-strokes, was 1000 cm3 through the 1983 season. It was then reduced to 750cm3. For these regulations the upper limit is set to 1100cm3 to provide for a broader range of bikes to compete. The cylinder volume for 2-strokes in formula 2 was max 350 cm3. We have in our regulations set an upper limit of 400cm3, to increase the range of bikes to compete. The cylinder volume for 4-strokes in formula 2 was max 600 cm3. We have in our regulations kept this limit for 4cylinder machines but have introduced an upper limit of 750cm3 for 2-cylinder machines.

Purpose with proposal Make it possible to compete with older engines from the period 1980-1984 in a class that is named Formula 80-87. For the moment it is really no use trying to build a for example Bakker GSX1100 if you want to compete for the victory and not just participate. If it would be allowed to have 1200-1300 cc there would at least be 4 / 10 possible to race them seriously. For example is the ISR that I race in Forgotten era with magnesium parts all over it still weighing 188 kilos dry without start motor and battery I would most likely build a GSX1100 ISR and I know that there are a Bakker and other specials that would be raced if the rules would be changed. This would also give a vital injection to this class as it now has become a “korvätarklass” since the newer Superbike class has started.

Also in international classic racing this is becoming more common with high profile races as European Endurance, Matchraces in Australia, Isle of Man.

The Match races at Phillip Island is growing bigger every year with teams from USA, England, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland. If we could race and develop our bikes in Formula 80-87 maybe, we could have a Scandinavian team in the future.

Decision: Approved. NMF will update the Formula one eligibility rules.

Reason: It’s worth trying, to increase the number of participants in the class.

8.4 Svemo proposal adding class 12 to the eligibility rules

Federation: Svemo Discipline: Classic Road racing Signed by: Johan Edström Date: 2020-tbd

Proposal in general Since there are no existing official regulations for this class there is a need for written regulations for this class. Also, a clarification with the already existing allowance of using older 125GP machines in this class. And the addition of a possibility to compete with 500GP machines. Rules are based on the former existing FIM regulations for Grand-Prix racing at the end of the two-stroke era.

The eligibility rules are proposed to be altered with the following text:

Class 12 Type and age: The class is open for two-stroke Grand Prix machines (factory-produced racing motorcycles, commonly called production-racers) from the 1986 model year to 2009. In addition, the class is open for 125GP and 500GP motorcycles produced between 1986 and 2009 and bikes or replicas of bikes that competed in the GP within the time frame. Production based “sport-production”250cc road legal motorcycles are also approved for the time being, as they were allowed when the class was run with National championship status until 2010.

5 / 10 Typical motorcycles: 250GP: Aprilia RSV250, RSW250, Yamaha TZ250, RS250. Sport-Production 250SP: Aprilia RS250, Yamaha TZR250, Honda NSR250, RGV250. 125GP: Yamaha TZ125, Honda RS125, Aprilia RSW125. 500GP: Suzuki RGV500, Honda RS500V, Yamaha YZR500.

Number plate colour: 125GP: Black plate, white numbers 250GP and 250SP: Green plate, white numbers 500GP: Yellow plate, black numbers.

Engine: Free tuning within the typical technique for the time period and inside the class engine capacity limit. 125GP: maximum 125cc, one cylinder 250GP and SP: 126-250cc, maximum two cylinders 500GP: 256-500cc, maximum four cylinders.

Minimum weight: 125GP: 135kg with rider 250GP and SP: 100kg dry 500GP: 130kg dry.

Gearbox: Maximum six gears allowed.

Steering and chassis: Prototype regulations, free time period typical modifications.

Brakes: Master cylinders and callipers should be of type that existed during the period. Bike must have at least one brake on each wheel and be individually operated, carbon brake discs is not allowed.

Wheels and tires: 17 inch slick and rain tires allowed, machines should at least have “trackday” type or similar sports tire. Carbon wheels are not allowed.

Exhaust: Free modifications, refer to the general technical regulations. The exhaust must comply with the stated noise and environment requirements.

Controls: Free modifications, refer to the general technical regulations.

6 / 10 Fairings: Should have the same look as the fairings used within the time period. Free modifications, refer to the general technical regulations.

Safety: Oil/coolant plugs/fillings and collective vessels for fluid and safety wiring of bolts must comply with the general technical regulations. In wet conditions, machines must be equipped with a rain light that may be battery powered.

Purpose with proposal 250GP has been a support class to the Nordic classic-racing series for a long time and has been run without written-down regulations. Therefore, making it hard to judge what is allowed and what is not on the technical side. The hope is now to step up from being a support class and enter the classic-racing series as an official class with a little broader and attractive regulation. A new united name is needed, maybe something like, Class 12 Classic GP?

Decision: Approved with remarks; The rules will be incorporated in the eligibility rules bit with the additional remark that this class still will be a support class for the 2021 season. Per H will update the eligibility rules. Reason: The year 2009 as a cutoff date will lead to discussions with the national federations. The rules themselves are good and approved but we can’t at the moment have it as an ordinary class.

8.5 NMF proposal change of the general eligibility rules

Federation: NMF Discipline: Classic Road racing Signed by: CRC Date: 2020-10-14

Proposal The following changes; marked with yellow, are proposed

3.1.12. Engine: The crank case, cylinder and cylinder head must be period parts. There are no tuning restrictions. Modification of original parts and the use of period aftermarket parts are allowed. Boring of the cylinder to the engine manufacturer’s standard over-sizes is allowed even though this may cause the cylinder volume to exceed the upper limit for the class. Triumph T140, Norton 850 crank cases and other Crank cases manufactured after -67/72 are allowed provided they are identical to those manufactured in 67/72. Norton 850 cylinders are allowed, but the cylinder volume shall not exceed 750 cc. The bore and stroke of an engine may be changed for

7 / 10 the machine to be used in another cylinder volume class. The look of the engine shall not be changed, but for all road bikes converted to racebikes , cooling fins on original manufactured cylinder and cylinder heads can be extended with maximum 8 mm. The original shape and thickness shall be kept. Both on converted originals and new productions. The changes shall not visible from 4 metres distance.

From the English regulations: From Mr. John Davidson, how they practically read the regulations The CRMC policy on modifying cooling fins is that if the fins look the same from 5 paces (approx. 4 metres) then OK. If the differences between standard and modified fins can be seen from 4 metres then NOT ok. Kind regards John Davidson

Decision: Approved. Per H will update the eligibility rules Reason: To increase the durability of the engines.

8.6 DMF proposal change of the eligibility rules regarding time period for two strokes.

Federation: DMF Discipline: Classic Road racing Signed by: Sören Date: 2020-tbd

Describe the proposal in general Text today 35.1.1. Type and age: The machine shall be of racing type and comply with machines within the period (see §1.0). The machine shall have been available on the European market before or during the 1967 season for 2-strokes and 1972 for 4-strokes. A machine produced after these time limits are also eligible provided no change or updating has been done. If the organizer of the meeting regards it beneficial, the post war class can be divided in period 1 (produced until December 31st, 1963) and period 2 (produced from January 1st 1964 until 1967 or 1972 as described above). Machines with 50 ccm cylinder volume shall have been available on the European market before or during the 1972 season regardless 2- or 4- stroke. For class 5 (500 ccm) only 4- stroke machines are eligible.

Proposal: Remove the following 35.1.1. Type and age: The machine shall be of racing type and comply with machines within the period (see §1.0). The machine shall have been available on the European market before or during the 1967 season for 2-strokes and 1972 season for 4-strokes. A machine produced after these time limits are also eligible provided no change or updating has been done. If the organizer of the meeting regards it beneficial, the post war class can be divided in period 1 (produced until December 31st, 1963) and period 2 (produced from January 1st 1964 until 1967 or 1972 as described above). Machines with 50 ccm cylinder volume shall have been available on the European market before

8 / 10 or during the 1972 1983 season regardless 2- or 4- stroke. For class 5 (500 ccm) only 4-stroke machines are eligible.

Purpose with proposal The current setup not allowing 2 strokes in class 5 is clearly a rule made to protect the traditional British bikes. (and then imported to the Nordic rule set) 2 strokes was raced in the 500cc class before 1973.

Other classes: We should not rule out 2 strokes newer than 1967 (just because they are fast) They existed and was raced in the period up to 1973

Example: Barry Sheene won the British national Championship in 1971 on a Seeley/Suzuki T500.

The Picture we draw is historical incorrect and should be corrected. This could make these classes interesting again.

PS. Class 5 is almost gone in DK, not enough bikes to open a Danish championship. Several pre 1973 2 strokes are parked in garages and could make the DM happen again. In the past this was a major class, the class of Kings.

Decision: Rejected. More information needed. Per H to talk with John Davidson

Reason: Have to be discussed with CRMC and FIM-E and the riders. More information of what bikes that will impact the different classes are needed. The current rules are in some parts based on that it will give equal races between 2 and 4 strokes.

8.7 Discussion 1: Swedish discussions regarding cutoff and start dates for Formula 1 and Classic Superbike. The common verdict was that the gain is rather low and the only thing that could be discussed further on is the alignment of the cut off date with when the superbike rules were changed (750 cc four cylinder).

8.8 Discussion 2: Evaluation of the work of the common Nordic Technical committee (NTC). o The common Nordic machine cards All the countries are doing a good work, changing old cards to new ones. But not all the riders have applied for a new one. The meeting recomend that a reminder should be sent out to the riders, either via e-mail or on the official web site.

9 / 10 How to harmonize regulations and where for us to look to in the future? We suggest the regulations in UK can be the place to look, and CRMC might be the correct partner for cooperation. o What will the consequences be? o What will we gain? The classic classes could be harmonized wIth FIM-E and CRMC. Per will e-mail John Davidson regarding this.

Regarding the Classic Superbike and Classic Supersport; further discussion should be held with John Davidson, regarding adding these classes as FIM-E classes. Discussions also need to be held with the corresponding organizations in England and Germany.

8.9 Discussion 3; How could we increase the cooparation between the nordic countries; especially scrutenering? Is it possible to send representatives to another country to be part of the scroutinering? Please check with your federation if they could finance this.

8.10 Next years NMC

Next years classic NMC will be held in Norway and NMF will be responsible for the arrangements. The date will be the 9th of October.

Thursday, October 29, 2020

Per Holmström

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