E PL UR UM IB N U U S Congressional Record United States th of America PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE 104 CONGRESS, FIRST SESSION

Vol. 141 WASHINGTON, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 13, 1995 No. 198—Part II House of Representatives

DISPOSING OF SENATE AMEND- lation assistance pursuant to section 104(b) This motion does not ask the Senate MENT 115 TO H.R. 1868, FOREIGN of the Foreign Assistance Act or any other to agree to enact a funding cutoff for OPERATIONS, EXPORT FINANC- provision of law, or to funds made available foreign private groups that decline to ING, AND RELATED PROGRAMS in title IV of this Act as a contribution to comply with the Mexico City policy re- the United Nations Population Fund APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 1996 (UNFPA).’’. strictions. The Senate does not have the votes to do that. (Continued) The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursu- Mr. Speaker, I want the Members to Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, pursu- ant to House Resolution 296, the gen- be aware of another proposal that I of- ant to House Resolution 296, I call up tleman from Alabama [Mr. CALLAHAN] fered to the Senate managers of the from the Speaker’s table the bill (H.R. will be recognized for 30 minutes, and a foreign assistance bill several weeks 1868) making appropriations for foreign Member opposed, the gentleman from ago. operations, export financing, and relat- Texas [Mr. WILSON], will be recognized ed programs for the fiscal year ending for 30 minutes. Mr. Speaker, as the Members may be September 30, 1996, and for other pur- The Chair recognizes the gentleman aware, we have had various differences with the Senate on this proposition. As poses, with the Senate amendment from Alabama [Mr. CALLAHAN]. a matter of fact, the original bill that numbered 115 thereto, and to consider b 1115 the motion printed in section 2 of the was sent to the Senate came back with resolution. GENERAL LEAVE 193 amendments. We were able to re- The Clerk read the title of the bill. Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask solve 192 of the differences between the The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. unanimous consent that all Members House and Senate. The only one that KINGSTON). The Clerk will designate may have 5 legislative days within could not be resolved is the issue on the Senate amendment. which to revise and extend their re- abortion. We have tried, and tried with The text of the Senate amendment is marks on the disposition of Senate frustration, to look at a possible way as follows: amendment number 115, and that I be to pass the foreign operations bill for Senate amendment 115: permitted to include tabular and extra- 1996, to satisfy those that are con- Page 44, line 19, after ‘‘lizations’’ insert: neous material. cerned about abortion worldwide, that ‘‘:Provided, That in determining eligibility The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. are concerned about planned parent- for assistance from funds appropriated to GOODLATTE). Is there objection to the hood, to no avail. We simply have been carry out section 104 of the Foreign Assist- request of the gentleman from Ala- unable to get the votes in the Senate ance Act of 1961, nongovernmental and mul- bama? to make this reality come true for the tilateral organizations shall not be subjected There was no objection. 1996 foreign operations bill. to requirements more restrictive than the requirements applicable to foreign govern- Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield We are in a situation now that we ments for such assistance: Provided further, myself such time as I may consume. will send another bill to the Senate and That none of the funds made available under Mr. Speaker. I do not want to take any ask that they, with their great wisdom, this Act may be used to lobby for or against more time on this matter than what is find a way to pass something that can abortion’’. necessary. We have already had this pass through the Senate and that also MOTION OFFERED BY MR. CALLAHAN matter, population assistance and can be acceptable to the House. I, for Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I offer abortion, before the House four times example, have offered what I think was a motion. previously this year. I want to be sure, a reasonable compromise to the pro- The SPEAKER pro tempore. The however, that all Members understand life forces in the House, and that was Clerk will designate the motion. what the motion does and does not do. to cut the funding capability of any or- The text of the motion is as follows: The motion provided for by the rule ganization to 50 percent of its 1995 level Mr. CALLAHAN moves that the House recede does not cut population funding. It until they sign the Mexico City policy from its amendment to the amendment of freezes obligations under the fiscal 1996 language. In my opinion, that is a fair the Senate numbered 115, and concur therein bill for population funding until it has resolve in this House of compromise. with an amendment, as follows: been authorized or a further waiver of If we do not get something to the In lieu of the matter proposed by said the statutory authorization require- Senate and get something from the amendment, insert: ‘‘Authorization of Population Planning ment has been enacted. It does not halt Senate that we can concur on, that will ‘‘Sec. 518A. Section 526 of this Act shall not the hundreds of millions of dollars of satisfy us, we are not going to have a apply to funds made available in this Act for population funding from prior year 1996 appropriation bill for foreign oper- population planning activities or other popu- bills that has not yet been spent. ations.

b This symbol represents the time of day during the House proceedings, e.g., b 1407 is 2:07 p.m. Matter set in this typeface indicates words inserted or appended, rather than spoken, by a Member of the House on the floor.

H 14787 H 14788 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE December 13, 1995 Instead, we are going to be dealing in the Government from closing down. Continuing reading the names of all a continuing resolution, a CR that And we are going to be in that fight be- Members who voted against this last more than likely will not include any cause we have not yet finished our ap- time: protection for those of us that are con- propriations work. I would think that Ms. FURSE, Messrs. GANSKE, GEJDEN- cerned about abortion worldwide. A CR under those circumstances what we SON, GEKAS, GEPHARDT, PETE GEREN of may not protect anything that has to would be looking for is ways to find Texas, GIBBONS, GILCHREST, GILMAN, do with child survival. We could lose compromise between the House and GONZALEZ, GORDON, GENE GREEN of many things, including the prohibition Senate so we can move more of these Texas, GREENWOOD, GUNDERSON, of USAID from moving into a Taj bills forward. GUTIERREZ, and HAMILTON, Ms. HAR- Mahal downtown and paying each That is what I very much want to do MAN, Messrs. HASTINGS of Florida, HEF- month hundreds of thousands of dollars on this bill, but this language, as the NER, HILLIARD, HINCHEY, HOBSON, HORN, in unnecessary rent. A CR will not re- gentleman who just spoke clearly indi- HOUGHTON, and HOYER, Ms. JACKSON- duce funding to USAID. It will not cut cated, this language has no chance LEE, Mr. JACOBS, Mr. JEFFERSON, Mrs. the funding that we were successful in whatsoever of being accepted by the JOHNSON of Connecticut, Mr. JOHNSON passing through this House, unless we Senate or becoming law. So my ques- of South Dakota, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE get something realistic that both sides tion is, why on earth should we do this? JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of can work with. Mr. Speaker, this proposal meets Texas, Mr. JOHNSTON of Florida, and In a sense, Mr. Speaker, I chastise somebody’s strategic idea that what we Mr. KANJORKSI, Ms. KAPTUR, Mrs. those Members of Congress who are so have to do is send another piece of leg- KELLY, Mr. KENNEDY of Massachusetts, hell-bent and determined to have their islation to the Senate which we know Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Mrs. way that they are interfering, in my will not pass. I think all that does is to KENNELLY, Messrs. KLECZKA, KLINK, opinion, with the due process and with harden each side, rather than make KLUG, KOLBE, LANTOS, LAZIO of New the compromise that this body must each side more flexible. I would point York, LEACH, LEVIN, LEWIS of Califor- occasionally represent. out, the practical effect of this strat- nia, and LEWIS of Georgia, Mrs. LIN- Mr. Speaker, this measure is another egy is to ask 221 Members of this House COLN, Ms. LOFGREN, Mr. LONGLEY, Mrs. vehicle going back to the Senate. We from both sides of the aisle who voted LOWEY, Mr. LUTHER, Mrs. MALONEY, do not expect the Senate to accept it. against this proposition on the Labor- Messrs. MARKEY, MARTINEZ, MARTINI, I would not think that the President HEW bill to vote for it today. and MATSUI, Ms. MCCARTHY, Messrs. would sign the bill if they Senate What this proposition essentially MCDERMOTT, MCHALE, and MCINNIS, passed it, so it is futile, in a sense, to does is to eliminate all international Ms. MCKINNEY, Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. think that we are going to enact this family planning money. This is not an MEEHAN, Mrs. MEEK of Florida, Mr. legislation with this language in here, abortion issue. I support efforts, for in- MENENDEZ, Mrs. MEYERS of Kansas, but it is the only opportunity we have stance, to shut off funding for the U.N. Messrs. MFUME, MILLER of California, to send this train back to the Senate population program if it continues to MINETA, and MINGE, Mrs. MINK of Ha- and ask them to look at it and to take operate in China. I agree with the gen- waii, Ms. MOLINARI, Mr. MORAN, and into account those of us who are con- tleman from New Jersey [Mr. SMITH] Mrs. MORELLA. cerned about abortion being funded or on that issue. However, I do not agree Continuing to read the names of all encouraged by any American moneys. with, and I do not think most Members Members who voted against this propo- I want Members to be aware of another pro- of this House do, and I know that many sition the last time: posal that I offered to the Senate managers of Members on the Republican side of the Messrs. NADLER, NEAL, OBEY, OLVER, the foreign assistance bill several weeks ago. aisle do not agree with the idea of OWENS, PALLONE, PASTOR, PAYNE of I suggested that they accept what I call an in- eliminating all authority for any fam- New Jersey, and PAYNE of Virginia, Ms. centive program for private groups to accept ily planning programs internationally. PELOSI, Messrs. PETERSON of Florida, the Mexico City policy language. The following Members voted against PICKETT, POMEROY, and PORTER, Ms. Under my proposal, which is not in this rule, this amendment when it was offered by PRYCE, Messrs. RAMSTAD, RANGEL, all groups which now receive A.I.D. population the gentleman from Louisiana, Mr. REED, REGULA, RICHARDSON, and RIGGS, money could continue to receive up to 50 per- LIVINGSTON, from the HEW bill. I am Ms. RIVERS, Mr. ROEMER, Mr. ROSE, cent of current funding. However, there would going to read everybody’s name: Mrs. ROUKEMA, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, be no funding limits on foreign private groups Messrs. ABERCROMBIE, ACKERMAN, Messrs. RUSH, SABO, SANDERS, SAWYER, which agreed to comply with Mexico City prin- BAESLER, BALDACCI, BARRETT of Wis- and SCHIFF, Mrs. SCHROEDER, Messrs. ciples. That would be the incentive for many is consin, BASS, BECERRA, BEILENSON, SCHUMER, SCOTT, SERRANO, SHAW, not most population assistance providers to BENTSEN, BEREUTER, BERMAN, BILBRAY, SHAYS, SISISKY, and SKAGGS, Ms. sign on to the Mexico City principles again, as BISHOP, BLUTE, BOEHLERT, BONIOR, SLAUGHTER, Messrs. SPRATT, STARK, the did prior to 1993. BORSKI, BOUCHER, BROWDER, and BROWN STOKES, STUDDS, TANNER, THOMAS, I recognize that the gentleman from New T1OF CALIFORNIA, MS. BROWN of Flor- THOMPSON, THORNTON, TORKILDSEN, Jersey opposes the approach that I just de- ida, Messrs. BROWN of Ohio, BRYANT of TORRES, TORRICELLI, TOWNS, TRAFI- scribed. Yet another pro-life Members of this Texas, CARDIN, CASTLE, CHAPMAN, and CANT, and UPTON, Ms. VELA´ ZQUEZ body and the Senate continue to express in- CLAY, Ms. CLAYTON, Messrs. CLEMENT, Messrs. VENTO, VISCLOSKY, and WARD, terest in it. I just wanted the House to know CLINGER, CLYBURN, and COLEMAN, Mrs. Ms. WATERS, Messrs. WATT of North that many of us have been working on a com- COLLINS of Illinois, Miss COLLINS of Carolina, WAXMAN, WHITE, WILLIAMS, promise that will enable us to send this appro- Michigan, Messrs. CONDIT, CONYERS, WILSON, and WISE, Ms. WOOLSEY, priations bill to the President for his signature. COYNE, and CRAMER, Ms. DANNER, Mr. Messrs. WYDEN, WYNN, YATES, ZELIFF, Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of DAVIS, and Mr. DE LA GARZA. and ZIMMER. my time. I am reading now the names of all All of those Members voted against Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield Members of the House who voted this proposition when the gentleman such time as he may consume to the against this proposition last time: Mr. from Louisiana [Mr. LIVINGSTON] of- gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. OBEY]. DEFAZIO, Ms. DELAURO, Messrs. DEL- fered language which in essence cut off Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, again we are LUMS, DEUTSCH, DICKS, DINGELL, DIXON, funding for all family planning domes- here because the committee has still DOGGETT, DOOLEY, and DOYLE, Ms. tically. not finished its work. We are here be- DUNN of Washington, Messrs. DURBIN, Mr. Speaker, I would submit that cause there are still six appropriation EDWARDS, EHRLICH, and ENGLE, Ms. cutting off all family planning funds bills which have not yet crossed the ESHOO, Messrs. EVANS, FARR, FATTAH, for international programs is even finish line and become law. The foreign FAWELL, FAZIO of California, FIELDS of worse, because if you do, you know operations bill which we are discussing Louisiana, FILNER, FLAKE, FOGLIETTA, that that will disarm us in our ability today is one of those bills. We are FOLEY, and FORD, Mrs. FOWLER, Messrs. to try to do something about uncon- going to be in a big fight over whether FRANK of Massachusetts, FRANKS of trolled population growth in many sec- or not we should pass the CR come Fri- Connecticut, FRANKS of New Jersey, tors of the world. If you are for com- day, a continuing resolution to prevent FRELINGHUYSEN, and FROST. promise, you ought to be looking for December 13, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 14789 compromise language. You should not the District of Columbia bill, like- Mr. WILSON. I hope so. swallow language which the manager wise, has one or two issues in con- Mr. LIVINGSTON. And we do not of the bill himself indicates has no ference that remain to be dealt with. I want him to retire, we hope he decides chance whatsoever of becoming law. think that that bill will be on the floor to stay around, but if that is his deci- All that is going to do is guarantee very shortly. sion, I hope that by the time he retires, that we have to have a continuing reso- So the only bill that really is far he will have confidence and knowledge lution for this bill. I do not think we from passage, and that is because the that the Foreign Affairs authorization ought to be doing that. We ought to be other party as filibustering it in the bill has been passed by both Houses and trying to find ways to pass this bill. Senate, is the Labor-HHS bill. enacted into law so he can take that Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield We are working our way through with him back to Texas. myself such time as I may consume. these bills. This bill unfortunately has Mr. WILSON. I thank the gentleman. Mr. Speaker, I might say that this been to the floor twice before. This is Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I does not deny funding to Planned Par- the third time. This is a conference re- urge all my colleagues to vote for this enthood or to any of the agencies. It port that has been hung up on the issue bill. just simply says what we have heard of abortion. We have come to an im- Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 over and over again in this House: that passe. The Senate does not want to minutes to the gentlewoman from New the Committee on Appropriations adopt the language that the House has York [Mrs. LOWEY]. ought not to be authorizing items, so offered. So we have offered some new Mrs. LOWEY. Mr. Speaker, I rise in we have appropriated the money in this language which we hope they will con- strong opposition to this amendment bill. We just simply say that until such sider and which we hope that they will because it will effectively eliminate time as the Congress of the United adopt. They may or may not. But we funding for international family plan- States authorizes it through an author- have to move the process forward. ning. Our colleagues on the far right ization bill, that the money cannot be In the spirit of doing exactly that, I continue to hold up this bill with their spent. would ask all of our Members to join extreme legislative agenda. This has Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he with us, pass this bill one more time, got to stop. Let us pass this bill. may consume to the gentleman from get it to the Senate and let them work After all, this amendment is just an- other way to masquerade the issue and Louisiana [Mr. LIVINGSTON], the chair- their will and hopefully let us get this man of our committee. bill to the President for his signature. stop all family planning funding. Let (Mr. LIVINGSTON asked and was There has been some disagreement on us stop it and let us get this bill passed given permission to revise and extend exactly what the language was that today. his remarks.) disallowed funding for family planning, Our chairman, the gentleman from international family planning. I would Alabama [Mr. CALLAHAN], has crafted b 1130 say in response to what the gentleman an excellent foreign aid bill. This ex- Mr. LIVINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I from Wisconsin said that that amend- treme language, I say to the chairman, was glad to see the chart from the gen- ment really had little to do with this is preventing this critical bill from tleman from Wisconsin once again. In provision. This deals with UNFPA, being enacted. fact, that chart is looking better every U.N. family planning operations, and Let me tell my colleagues exactly day. All those black lines mean that all it does is freeze the money in place. what is happening here. Our anti- the appropriations bills are working It says the money is there but that the choice colleagues have attempted to their way through the process. money will be frozen until such time as place restrictions on the international It may take a little bit longer than the authorization bill is passed. family planning programs in this bill, we might have hoped, but they are bet- Frankly, it would be better if the despite the fact that abortion funding ting there and that chart is going to be issue of abortion were handled in the overseas has been prohibited since 1973. complete someday, hopefully within authorization bills. Because it is policy Their restrictions have been rejected the next week. We will find out at that should be handled by the author- by the Senate three times. We have Christmastime, either this Christmas ization bills. And so what this does is heard the message loud and clear. or next Christmas, as to whether or not to remove the issue of abortion and Now their solution to the Senate’s the chart is complete. transfer it to the place it belongs, to refusal to accept their extreme restric- Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, will the gen- the authorization committees for them tions is to do something even more ex- tleman yield? to consider, for them to assess the pol- treme, to eliminate the programs alto- Mr. LIVINGSTON. I yield to the gen- icy ramifications and for them to ulti- gether. tleman from Wisconsin. mately pass the law. This bill is already 21⁄2 months late, Mr. OBEY. I would be happy to buy This is an attempt to take abortion and rather than offer a true com- the gentleman the biggest scotch in out of the appropriations process and promise or simply accept that their re- town if all of those bills are passed by say to the authorizers, you do the job, strictions have failed 3 times, our col- Christmas. and let us not hang up the appropria- leagues on the right now offer an Mr. LIVINGSTON. We will see. tions bills in this House and in the Sen- amendment that they know both the Actually the fact is the administra- ate up any longer so that we can get Senate and the administration will re- tion is negotiating, or course, with the the country’s business done and so that ject. Congress to see whether or not we can we can get the functions of government Why do they insist on wasting our come to a package deal and complete funded and so that we do not have to time with this? This is the fourth time business on all of these appropriations waste any more time and be here at that we have voted on this appropria- bills. I want to ask the gentleman’s in- Christmastime. tions bill. Why do they continue to dulgence and allow me to draw the Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, will the play politics with a bill that contains lines to complete the chart when the gentleman yield? funding for so many vital programs package is complete. Mr. LIVINGSTON. I yield to the gen- throughout the world? The point is, though, that we have in- tleman from Texas. Their amendment will effectively end deed passed seven entire appropriations Mr. WILSON. I was just going to ask one of the most important forms of aid subcommittee bills and they have been the chairman if he understands and re- that we provide to other countries, signed into law. The eighth, the Com- members that it has been 10 years since family planning assistance. The merce-Justice-State bill, goes to the we had an authorization bill on foreign amendment exempts the family plan- President today for his signature or his aid. ning program, and only the family veto. The VA–HUD bill, the Foreign Mr. LIVINGSTON. Reclaiming my planning program, from the waiver in Ops bill which is on the floor today and time, the gentleman has reminded me the bill that allows funds to be appro- the Interior bill are all working their that it has been a very long time, but priated even though the foreign aid au- way through various processes and I am very hopeful and optimistic that thorization bill has not passed. should be complete by, if not the end of we are going to pass one this year or What our colleagues have not told this week, certainly by the end of next certainly within the next 3 months. you is that the foreign aid authoriza- week, we hope. Certainly before the gentleman retires. tion bill has not passed in a dozen H 14790 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE December 13, 1995 years, and I know the chairman is opti- Mrs. LOWEY. If the gentleman will bill that is in dire need of being passed. mistic. The Senate has already indi- yield, let me just say that I am happy I agree with the sense of urgency but I cated that it will not pass the author- the holidays are coming and we all do not agree that this is an unimpor- ization bill this year. have wishes. I do wish the authoriza- tant matter. It is very important to The reality is, it could be years be- tion bill would pass as well as you do may of us, and it does allow for the fore an authorization bill is signed into but it has not passed in 12 years and I continuation of funding at the appro- law. We know that. In the meantime, would rather deal with fact rather than priate time for the specific family we will have failed to fund vital family fiction, although I wish you and the planning ideas. It just has to be au- planning programs throughout the authorization bill well. thorized. world. Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield H.R. 1868 allows us to continue to re- No one can deny that the need for 3 minutes to the gentleman from main active in world events while it re- family planning services in developing Michigan [Mr. KNOLLENBERG], a mem- flects our budgetary constraints, and countries is urgent. The aid we provide ber of the subcommittee. you all know that. This conference re- is valuable and worthwhile. Mr. KNOLLENBERG. Mr. Speaker, I port reflects, I believe, what is best for The world’s population is growing at thank the gentleman for yielding me this body. We will send it to the Sen- an unprecedented rate. In 40 years our the time and appreciate his leadership ate. They will make their decision. I planet’s population will more than dou- on this issue. support this conference report and urge ble. As a responsible world leader, the Incidentally, and this is not so inci- all of my colleagues to vote for it. United States must do more to deter dentally, I rise in strong support for Mrs. LOWEY. Mr. Speaker, will the the environmental, political and health this conference report and for its pas- gentleman yield? consequences of this explosive growth. sage. But I do want to refer to, first of Mr. KNOLLENBERG. I yield to the Let us not forget what family plan- all, the chart that the gentleman from gentlewoman from New York. ning assistance means to women Wisconsin [Mr. OBEY] brought out. I do Mrs. LOWEY. Mr. Speaker, I just around the world. Complications of like the looks of that chart. It is get- want to reassure the gentleman from pregnancy, childbirth, unsafe abortion ting better. Michigan that I respect your views on are the leading killers of women of re- It is because we are working a lot the issues of abortion, just as I respect productive age. One million women die harder to get to a point of success. the views of every one of my col- each year as a result of reproductive None of this is very easy. The chair- leagues. I just think it is so unfortu- health problems. Each year 250,000 man referred to the fact that we had nate that every appropriations bill is women die from unsafe abortions. Only 193 amendments in the conference com- tied up in abortion. I do wish we could 20 to 35 percent of women in Africa and mittee. We completed and agreed upon isolate that issue, have a real debate, Asia receive prenatal care. Five hun- 192. The one remaining, of course, is and move this appropriations bill now. dred million married women want con- the one we are dealing with today. Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 traceptives but cannot obtain them. This language, I think, ensures that minutes to the gentlewoman from Or- Most of these disabilities and deaths any expenditure of funds for population egon [Ms. FURSE]. could be prevented. planning or the UNFPA must be, as has Ms. FURSE. I thank the gentleman This amendment will stop us from been pointed out here, specifically au- for yielding me the time. continuing our fight against these thorized by this body, which has not Mr. Speaker, I think we should be tragedies. Simply put, this amendment been done. very clear. This amendment is simply a will end our family planning programs. Somebody on the other side made the way to freeze the family planning Period. that is what it would do. comment about it has not been done in funds. This amendment targets only I urge my colleagues, once again, op- 10 years. Well, that is not to say it family planning, that portion of the pose this amendment. We cannot let should not be done. I think it should legislation. them eliminate international family be. We have an opportunity perhaps Family planning works. No one planning. There is too much at stake. where that will take place. wants abortion to be the only way to Let us pass this excellent appropria- We have to be able to debate these control pregnancy. Family planning tions bill. Let us take off this extreme things or we will not get anywhere. So gets us beyond abortion. It allows peo- amendment. Let us not vote on this maybe this is, in the eyes of the gentle- ple to control the size of their families again. We need this bill. woman from New York, an extraneous and thereby control their economies. I again salute the chairman on this matter, should be done away with, for- Family planning is absolutely outstanding bill. Let us pass it here gotten about, so we can pass this beau- profamily. today. Let us not bow to the right that tiful bill. Well, it is important to a lot b continues to tack on the extreme of us. It is worth debate. It is some- 1145 amendments. Let us not do it. Let us thing that we want to carry on and It is truly the most pro-family thing join and pass this bill today. come to some conclusion, a successful we can do, because it allows families to Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield conclusion. make the decisions. It is so ridiculous. myself such time as I may consume. I would not suggest to you that it is You know, if I asked my constituents, Responding to the kind gentlewoman guaranteed, as the gentleman from many, many of them say to me, ‘‘You from New York, let me thank her for Wisconsin [Mr. OBEY] stated, that the know the greatest problem in this her help during this past year or so, Senate will just let this thing float and world is over population,’’ over popu- too, and to tell her that I am optimis- die. We do not know that yet entirely. lation because of use of resources, be- tic that the Senate is going to bring up There is some idea here that may be cause of the stress it puts on commu- the authorization bill either today or beginning to impress them, that there nities, overpopulation is a great threat. tomorrow under a unanimous-consent is perhaps more to this and we can Family planning allows us to move agreement. come to a conclusion that will satisfy beyond. Family planning is one of the I think for the first time in the 10 everybody. greatest parts of getting us to peace years that they have not been able to As I have said many times before, I and prosperity internationally, because pass a bill, they are finally going to strongly support this conference re- it allows families to decide on how have a bill that passes the House and port. It balances fiscal restraint and many children they are having. So we the Senate and goes to conference. This the needs of foreign policy, and it re- really need to defeat this anti-family is the argument that we always hear, flects the reasoned compromise and amendment. those of us who are appropriators: Do considerable cooperation that did take I urge my colleagues to do that. not authorize, do not authorize, you place between all of the Members from Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield are appropriators. both sides in committee and also in the 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Ne- In this bill, we appropriate the conference committee. It deserves bi- vada [Mrs. VUCANOVICH], a member of money. What we simply say is it can- partisan support. the Committee on Appropriations. not be spent until it is authorized by I think we are at a point now where Mrs. VUCANOVICH. Mr. Speaker, I the proper committee. we can get to a position of passing a thank the gentleman for yielding. Mr. December 13, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 14791 Speaker, the House has voted four study the issue understands that the favor of that legislation this year. It times to support the pro-life provisions greatest world threats to our children should be clear by now, Mr. Speaker, which would ensure that international are nuclear proliferation and over- that one way or the other pro-lifers family planning assistance will be population. will not stand by. We will not allow the abortion neutral. The first provision Take a look at the expanding popu- abortion industry to get an infusion of prohibits tax dollars from being used lation in continents around the world, literally hundreds of millions of dollars by the United Nations Population whether in Asia, Africa, South Amer- in foreign aid for the promotion of the Fund—which currently helps manage ica. You will find that those expanding killing of unborn children in other China’s brutal one-child-per-one-family populations not only create human suf- lands or by lobbying to bring down policy unless it ceases family planning fering for the people living there, but their statutes. activities in the People’s Republic of they, in fact, lead to environmental More than 95, closer to 100, countries China or unless China’s family plan- disasters which visit themselves on the of the world have pro-life statutes, and ning activities in China cease to be co- entire world as well as to military con- these nongovernmental organizations, ercive. frontations which ultimately drag the some, not all, get into these countries, The second provision would ensure United States and other civilized na- begin networking, and they have been that none of the moneys sent to the tions into the vortex of the conflict. working aggressively to bring down UNPF may be used to fund any private, Overpopulation is a major problem. those pro-life statutes. nongovernmental, or multilateral or- What we are doing with this motion I do not think the U.S. taxpayer ganizations that directly or through a today is literally shutting down Ameri- should be making these organizations subcontractor perform abortions in any ca’s commitment to family planning the dominant force in these capitals foreign country—except to save the life around the world. We are not talking around the world. Family planning, of the mother or in cases of rape or in- about abortion. I hold in my hand a yes; abortion promotion, and abortion cest. penny, one penny; not one penny is performance except in the cases of Now some may claim that this is a being spent of Federal money to fund rape, incest, and life of the mother, gag rule on family planning assistance. abortions in any country of the world. which is what the original language However, this is not the case. Abortion You would never know that from this had in it, they are the exception; but is not considered a family planning debate. You would think we were set- family planning, yes; abortion, no. method and should not be promoted as ting out to fund abortions and the pro- I would also remind Members that I one, especially by the United States. life people wanted to stop it. It has have been a very strong supporter of Recently, the State Department de- nothing to do with it. Not a penny of linking UNFPA funding, U.N. Popu- cided that the promotion of abortion Federal funds are being used for that lation Fund, to withdrawal of UNFPA should be a priority in advancing U.S. purpose. What we are doing, in closing from the program in China where population-control efforts. This is un- down this $450 million of family plan- forced abortion is commonplace and acceptable to the millions of Ameri- ning is adding to degradation and per- prevalent and where the UNFPA has cans who do not view abortion as a le- sonal disaster around the world and, been the dominant cheerleader for the gitimate method of family planning sadly, adding to the likelihood that population program in Beijing, in the and do not support Federal funding of move abortion will result. People’s Republica of China. Again, if abortion except to save the life of the Several years ago I traveled with the Senate or the White House will not mother or in cases of rape or incest. Congressman Mike Synar to Ban- budge on this at this time, pro-lifers The Callahan motion does not elimi- gladesh, one of the poorest countries in are not going to cave. nate or even reduce the appropriations the world. Far away in a distant, dusty We will allow the money, we will for population assistance but will leave village we met a 19-year-old woman push the money for family planning, the appropriations levels in H.R. 1868 holding a baby. It was her third child. but will not allow it to be used in any intact. However it will delay the use of Through an interpreter she told us way, shape, or form for the promotion these appropriated funds until these with great pride it would be her last of abortion or for promoting this coer- expenditures are authorized. It will child. Because of world health efforts cion in the People’s Republican of also delink pro-life issues from other which the United States supported, her China. The pro-life Members are will- important provisions such as aid to Is- children were healthy, and she did not ing to support this motion which de- rael, child survival programs and other have to bear any more children and letes these two provision, but says we foreign aid programs. through family planning efforts, that have got the wait until the authorizers I urge my colleagues Mr. Speaker to we spend pennies on, she was able to take it up and then the bill will pass, I support this motion and allow this im- control the size of her family. believe, and will be signed. Otherwise, portant legislation to move forward She and so many other women we go back. We put the language back and fund vital foreign aid programs. around the world, given a chance for into the appropriations bill. That is Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 their own personal dignity, will be de- fine with me. minutes to the gentleman from Illinois nied that chance because of this ter- If the Senate will not budge, we stay [Mr. DURBIN]. rible motion. I urge my colleagues, do here until hell freezer over, because un- Mr. DURBIN. Mr. Speaker, in the not give in to this extremism. Oppose born children are precious and the 19th century at the height of the Indus- this motion. women in the People’s Republic of trial Revolution, there arose a political Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield China, who have been victimized by the group which frankly was opposed to 4 minutes to the gentleman from New brutality of that program are precious the change and progress of the Indus- Jersey [Mr. SMITH]. as well. trial Revolution. They were known as Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. I absolutely and categorically reject the Luddites. The Luddites would try Speaker, I rise in support of the Cal- those who stand on the floor and say to wreck the machinery of the Indus- lahan motion, which represents yet an- we are stopping all family planning trial Revolution to stop the change other sincere attempt by Chairman funding. During the many years that that was taking place. They objected CALLAHAN to seek a compromise ap- the Mexico City program was in effect, to it, and they used violence and ter- proach to this issue on which so many 350 plus nongovernmental organiza- rorism for that purpose. Theirs was a of us feel so very strongly. tions, more NGO’s than we had the mindless opposition to the reality of As most of my colleagues know, I money to fund, accepted the Mexico change, a resistance to accepting the have been a very strong supporter of City clauses of no abortion promotion world as it existed. the pro-life Mexico City policy which is and got their money for family plan- What we hear on the floor today is designed to protect innocent unborn ning in Bangladesh, in Africa, in the same mentality when it comes to children around the world by barring Central America. Planned Parenthood, family planning, a mindless opposition United States family planning funds to Western Hemisphere, got, if I remem- to family planning from groups which foreign organizations that perform or ber correctly, about $10 million when characterize themselves as pro-life. promote abortion overseas. The House they agreed they would no longer be Anyone who has taken the time to has voted four times, four times, in promoting abortion. The got their H 14792 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE December 13, 1995 money to stay on point, and that is names, and I have been called some Parenthood of London, and they say, family planning, not abortion. wonderful names, some colorful names. ‘‘We’re going to spend our money on We are insisting on very modest lan- Today it was mindless Luddite, and, abortion and not your money,’’ that is guage that says we are not going to be you know, you can play that game. I a bookkeeping transaction and does in the business of promoting abortion would call people who think abortion is not fool anybody. or performing it except in those very a good idea or an acceptable idea, or So I suggest that we stand fast, we rare cases. We are not going to allow something the American taxpayer continue to tell the gentleman and these organizations to be lobbying to ought to pay for, I would not call them gentleladies across the rotunda we do bring down these anti-abortion stat- mindless, but I might call them heart- not want to fund abortion. utes around the globe. less. I might call them unthinking. But Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, please let The family planning money will then I do not want to get into that game. the RECORD reflect that this gentleman flow. Nobody will object to it, and I want to just try to talk a little re- has not called the gentleman from Illi- condoms and some of the other things ality here. Family planning is not nois [Mr. HYDE] any names. that are disseminated will go out with- abortion, and abortion is not family Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the out any impediment, but we will not be planning, and when you link the two gentleman from Illinois [Mr. PORTER]. in the business of empowering the together you have got real problems, Mr. PORTER. Mr. Speaker, I cer- abortion industry. because many of us do not want to tainly want to express my respect for Vote for the Callahan motion. have American tax dollars go to pay my chairman, for the gentleman from Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 for killing unborn children even if they New Jersey, and of course for my won- minutes to the gentlewoman from New are in Bangladesh or if they are in To- derful colleague, the gentleman from York [Mrs. MALONEY]. ledo. We think human life ought to be Illinois [Mr. HYDE]. Mrs. MALONEY. Mr. Speaker, I special and ought to be sacred, and Mr. Speaker, the language of this thank the gentleman for yielding me killing it, exterminating it, however proposed amendment is simply not this time. you do it, is wrong and ought not to be going to fly. We know, everyone knows, This amendment is a gross misuse of paid for with tax dollars. That is what that the Senate will not accept this ap- the political process to thwart the will the struggle is about, and we are enti- proach. Even if they did, the President of the American people who over- tled to access to the political process would veto the bill. We are wasting our whelmingly support family planning in to try and make our point. time, we are tying up the House, we are this country and around the world. But when misstatements are made, tying up this legislation. We are delay- Once again, the new majority is at- we have to wonder who is being mind- ing programs that ought to be going tempting to put the radical right’s less. For example, family planning forward, we are delaying our commit- agenda ahead of good government and flourishes under our program. Forty ment to Camp David that we have al- global responsibility. It is clear that percent of all the dollars that are spent ways observed, and I think it is totally their actions show little concern for worldwide on family planning come disingenuous to say, as some on the op- women’s health, pre and postnatal from the United States and did under posite side are saying that our side is care, health and nutrition for children, Reagan and Bush. delaying the bill. They are delaying the families, and stabilizing global popu- bill. b 1200 lation, and the problems that flow from Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Illi- it, including the massive increases re- It is simply two organizations that nois just said family planning is not cently in refugees. will not accept the money because they abortion. That is exactly right. It is The Callahan measure would make it want to continue promoting abortion. against current law to spend any U.S. illegal to appropriate funds for inter- So there are 300-some organizations funds for abortion, and those of us who national family planning programs un- that are happy to take our family plan- are arguing this matter are supporters less they are authorized. We need to ning money. Meanwhile around the of family planning, and not supporters vote to save international family plan- world family planning, properly under- of abortion. To hold all family plan- ning programs. We need to vote to pro- stood, which is either helping someone ning funding hostage to legislative lan- tect families, children, and women to get pregnant or keeping them from guage that will not be agreed to by the around the world. We need to defeat getting pregnant; it is not exterminat- Senate or by the President is to hold this politically motivated action by ing the pregnancy once it has occurred, this entire bill hostage. And, to hold up anti-family, anti-women Members and that is what my colleagues are other bills over this issue is to hold here. It goes against everything this talking about, and we are asking those those bills hostage as well. country agreed upon, and I might add, gentlemen from Mount Olympus across Mr. Speaker, we do not fund abor- 187 other countries agreed upon at the the rotunda to please understand we tion. We have never funded abortion. I International Conference for Women in are for family planning, we are for for- have always supported the Hyde Beijing. eign aid. It is abortion we are not for. amendment both domestically and Supporting international family We think that is despicable, we think internationally. planning programs is socially respon- it is wrong, and we do not think tax This issue is not going to be resolved sible, fiscally sound, and it serves our dollars ought to go pay for it. with this proposal. This issue is simply national purposes. So overpopulation; we have heard delaying this entire bill from going for- Vote to support women and families two speakers bemoan that as one of the ward, and it seems to me that we around the world. Defeat the Callahan great problems in the world. I suggest should defeat this proposal and strip motion. that is an unsophisticated look at a se- all language on both sides of this issue Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, so elo- rious problem. Density is what we out of this bill, and let the legislation quent is the gentleman from Illinois should look at, how many people per go forward and become law. and so knowledgeable of this subject is square mile. There are countries on the Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield the gentleman from Illinois, it would globe with a higher density than many 2 minutes to the gentleman from Flor- be immoral to deny him any restric- of these countries that have over- ida [Mr. WELDON]. tion on time. population problems and yet a high Mr. WELDON of Florida. Mr. Speak- Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he standard of living. Japan, Switzerland, er, I thank the gentleman from Ala- may consume to the gentleman from Holland have high density, high stand- bama for yielding this time to me, and Illinois [Mr. HYDE], but remind him ard of living. Maybe it is something I applaud the subcommittee chairman that we are down to about 5 minutes. more than the number of people, for this amendment. I think it is a very Mr. HYDE. Mr. Speaker, I suggest maybe it is the economy, maybe it is reasonable approach to dealing with the gentleman correct the RECORD the kind of government, maybe it is so- this problem. when it comes around for his extrava- ciety. But that is a rather superficial There are a lot of things that go on gance in introducing me. look at the problem of overpopulation. up here in Washington, and it is, I be- You know, when you get in this de- The money is fungible. If we give the lieve, very hard for the American pub- bate, you have to expect to be called money to the International Planned lic to keep a watch on everything. One December 13, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 14793 of the amazing things that has gone on family, how to avoid an unwanted preg- Mr. Speaker, we do not need to en- up here in Washington is immediately nancy. Denying U.S. funds for these courage these misstatements that have after this President was inaugurated he services does not make sense. It is an been offered about the facts that fam- started funneling a lot of foreign aid arbitrary denial, dealing with some- ily planning is promoting abortion and dollars into programs that promote thing that we all, as world citizens, forced abortions in China. Mr. Speaker, abortion on an international scale, and should be dealing with. I have gone on record saying that the the American people, in this environ- Mr. Speaker, right here I have a atrocities in China should not be toler- ment that we are in of huge deficits, a statement of the administration’s pol- ated. None of us are accepting of that. huge national debt, I believe clearly do icy. We are all trying to deal with leg- But with this legislation, it would be not want taxpayer dollars being used islation, we all know we should be illegal to appropriate funds for inter- for this kind of a purpose. going forward and not getting into national family planning programs. The gentleman from Alabama [Mr. these kinds of discussions, and the ad- That is all, that is the bottom line, of CALLAHAN] has come up with a very ministration says: what their policy does help implement reasonable approach. He is saying that If the previous House-passed language on world family planning. we can continue to give these organiza- population contained in section 518 and the Organizations like International tions money but that the ones that are substitute language were dropped, the Sec- Planned Parenthood offer health care actively out there promoting abortion, retary of State would recommend that the screening and information on family particularly the forced abortion like President sign the bill. planning. Denying funds to organiza- we have in China, which I would imag- One more problem eliminated, and tions like International Planned Par- ine 99 percent of Americans find rep- we could go for it. We really should not enthood is nonsensical. This language rehensible, and it is amazing that this be debating the way we are today. We would implement an international gag administration would want to pump should just be getting on with the busi- rule. The people that would be suffer- money into those kinds of organiza- ness of the House. ing would be millions of women and tions. It is saying that we will not do Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I re- families across this world. One million that unless the authorizing committee serve the balance of my time. women die each year as a result of re- actually authorizes this. Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 productive health problems. Now our colleagues on the other side minutes to the gentlewoman from I started out saying this is a health of the aisle who like to put money into Maryland [Mrs. MORELLA]. bill, we want to support family plan- these kinds of programs know that Mrs. MORELLA. Mr. Speaker, I rise ning because it is good health. This de- they can never get authorizing lan- in opposition to the Callahan motion. bate has nothing to do with abortion guage for something like this, so they This motion is worse than the original and current law which, as we all know, are going to fight this tooth and nail, amendment—it would prohibit any prohibits for the last 20 years the use but I think it is a very reasonable ap- funding for family planning until the of U.S. funds for abortion. It is time to proach in the part of the committee, foreign aid authorization bill is ap- err on the side of families, women, and the subcommittee chairman. I applaud proved—legislation which historically good health. him for coming up with this solution to has not been enacted into law. Thus, Defeat this legislation. We want to the problem. this motion effectively kills all family keep what the law says, good health, We need to get this bill through. I planning funding for the rest of this good family planning, and support for support the bill. I support all my col- fiscal year. our world’s family of women and our leagues who would stand up and rise in One point must be reiterated in this world’s families. In this season of car- support of this bill, and it is a good so- debate—this amendment attempts to ing and giving, Mr. Speaker, can we do lution to the problem. address a nonissue—foreign aid dollars any less? Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 do not currently pay for any abortions Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this mo- minutes to the gentlewoman from Con- and never have. For 20 years, foreign tion which would eliminate all funding for inter- necticut [Mrs. KENNELLY]. aid policy and law has clearly stated national family planning organizations. This Mrs. KENNELLY. Mr. Speaker, this that U.S. funds cannot be used to pay motion exempts family planning programs is unfortunate that this debate has for abortion services or to lobby on the from the waiver in the bill that permits appro- gone along these lines with linkages issue. priations for foreign aid programs without pas- that should not be made. We should not What this amendment does do is kill sage of the foreign aid authorization bill, a bill be discussing family planning dash family planning programs—resulting in that has not been passed in 12 years. abortion. This is a family planning more abortions. In other words, it would be illegal to appro- issue. And we are talking about no Mr. Speaker, this foreign aid bill al- priate funds for international family planning international funds can be appro- ready includes drastic cuts in funding programsÐand only international family pro- priated to any international societies for population assistance overseas. The gramsÐuntil the passage of the stalled foreign unless an authorization bill is passed. Callahan motion will further endanger aid authorization bill. This new tactic by my Well, we have not had an authorization women’s health and will deny women antifamily colleagues is even more drastic bill for a number of years, and if my and couples access to family planning than the restrictions they have been attempt- colleagues want this amendment information. It will increase, not re- ing to impose on the bill. This new approach passed, it should be attached to the au- duce, abortions. will effectively kill the international family plan- thorization bill. Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to ning programs at issue by denying them fund- But this is unfortunate, that we have join me in opposing this motion. ing. to be doing this, because for years and Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 Organizations like International Planned years people around this world under- minutes to the gentlewoman from Parenthood offer basic health care screening stood that the way to deal with popu- Texas [Ms. JACKSON-LEE]. and information on family planning. Denying lation problems, health problems, chil- (Ms. JACKSON-LEE asked and was funds to organizations like International dren who are born into families where given permission to revise and extend Planned Parenthood is nonsensical. This lan- they are not wanted, is through family her remarks.) guage would implement an international gag planning, and to do this today means Ms. JACKSON-LEE. Mr. Speaker, I rule. we do not realize that family planning am not here to call anyone any names. With the world's population growing at an works, and eliminating this aid would I think this is a debate that really is unprecedented rate, one of the most important hurt countless families throughout the for world health. Family planning is forms of aid that we provide to other countries world and increase the number of unin- good health. It is good for the world’s is family planning assistance. As a world lead- tended pregnancies. families. It is instructive that over the er, the United States must work to reduce the We do not want abortions; we want years this type of family planning has complications of pregnancy, childbirth, and un- pregnancies not to happen. Countless saved more lives, and it has done so be- safe abortions, which are the leading killers of women around this world have no ac- cause the world’s women and families women of reproductive age throughout the cess to health care screening and do have been eligible for family planning Third World. One million women die each year not have information on how to plan a education. It is good health. as a result of reproductive health problems. H 14794 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE December 13, 1995 But this debate has nothing to do with abor- who support family planning but do Mr. DORNAN. I yield to the gen- tion itself. Current law prohibitsÐand has for not support every medical option avail- tleman from Missouri [Mr. VOLKMER], 20 yearsÐthe use of U.S. funds for abortion. able to women to terminate a preg- the conscience of the minority party, Foreign aid policy and law clearly states that nancy support us in oposition to this who is pro-family, pro-defense, and pro- U.S. funds may not be used to pay for abor- rule. I am very pleased that staunch second amendment. tion procedures or to lobby on the issue. anti-choice Members, and I do not say Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Speaker, I would Thus, the proposed motion would simply that as a badge of honor, oppose this like to announce that I rise in favor of eliminate funding for legal, and essential, amendment. The gentleman from Ohio, the motion of the gentleman from Ala- health and family planning servicesÐnot abor- TONY HALL, and I have been on oppo- bama, in strong support of it, and I tion. Legitimate and effective international site sides of the choice issue, and he urge the House to adopt this motion. health organizations would be prohibited from voted against the rule on this bill be- Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, I hope as providing valuable and desperately needed cause of the restrictions it places on Missouri goes, so goes the House. family planning information to women around family planning. Restrictions that are Mr. Speaker, I also rise in support of the globe. I urge my colleagues to defeat this not per se in the bill, but restrictions what the gentleman from Alabama dangerous motion. which are by way of procedure. If we do [Mr. CALLAHAN] is trying to do, and Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I yield not get the funding through this bill with great respect for human rights such time as she may consume to the now and if we have to wait for an au- voices like the gentlewoman from Cali- gentlewoman from California [Ms. thorization at the end of the session, as fornia [Ms. PELOSI], on the other side of PELOSI]. we are, waiting to go out for the holi- the aisle, and to try and clarify here for the 1,300,000 audience that watches b 1215 days, what will happen to the family planning funds that are so desperately this on C–SPAN that would think we Ms. PELOSI. Mr. Speaker, I thank needed so very soon for so many people are debating two different issues here the gentleman for yielding time to me, in the world? today. Everybody suddenly gets up and and for the gentleman’s leadership on That is why I call this the make mat- says they are all against abortion. this issue. ters worse amendment. It tries to re- Now, a gentleman on the minority Mr. Speaker, I rise in complete re- solve a conflict that I do not think side from Illinois held up a penny, so I spect, as our chairman knows, for his should be there in the first place, be- will hold up a penny. All pennies today leadership on our Foreign Operations cause we all agree that China’s policy are Lincoln pennies. Lincoln, our Subcommittee. As a member of that is abhorrent and none of our funds greatest President from the State of subcommittee, I have seen him shep- should go to it. And because we all the gentlemen from Illinois, Mr. HYDE herd our bill through many storms. We know that there is no funding for abor- and Mr. DURBIN, finally came to realize have this one remaining obstacle. tion allowed under United States law. that the greatest evil in our country As Members know, we have gone So why can we not come to a sensible since its founding was slavery. We now back and forth and back and forth on conclusion which enables as to fund have great religious leaders all over the issue of family planning in this family planning? the world talking about the culture of bill. Frankly, I do not see any reason Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. Chair- death in the womb, of the elderly, of for us to have to go through this, be- man, will the gentlewoman yield? the infirm, of the physically chal- cause this controversy is based on a Ms. PELOSI. I am pleased to yield to lenged. false premise, the premise that $1 in my colleague, the gentleman from New Since our country first met with the this bill would be spent to fund abor- Jersey [Mr. SMITH], because although House of Representatives 206 years and tions. That funding is not allowed by we differ on the issue of choice, he has 9 months ago, two enormous evils have U.S. law, and we do not need any lan- been a champion on funding for child confronted us: slavery and the taking guage to further prohibit it. survival issues and the like; but as a of innocent life through abortion. Let us all say that we all agree in tactic, I think the way that the chair- There is a benchmark in this House as this Congress that we abhor, we abhor man has decided to proceed on this will of November 1: 139 people a few on my the family planning methods used in present huge obstacles to getting our side of the aisle, stood up and said that China. I mention that issue because I family planning money out there when execution-style coup de grace to the see my colleague, the gentleman from it is needed. base of the skull, removing the brains, New Jersey, rising, and I know that Mr. SMITH of New Jersey. Mr. partial birth abortion, was OK. Those issue is a bone of contention in this Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for in the medical profession that do noth- bill, but shouldn’t be in this Congress. yielding. We do work together on a ing but abort, nothing but abort, and in We all agree that it is a gross violation number of other issues, but unfortu- the other Chamber one of our lady Sen- of human rights for the women, indeed, nately, on this one we have a dif- ators objected to us calling them abor- for the families, the people of China, to ference. tionists instead of doctors. If that is all have to be subjected to China’s family Let me reiterate, and make this so they do, they are not doctors in this planning methods. The practices are very clear to everyone who may be lis- Member’s eyes, they are abortionists. atrocious and I will not go into them, tening to this debate, that we will pro- So we start with a benchmark of 139 except to say that no funding from this vide family planning funds, as we did who find even a coup-de-grace abortion bill supports the China program. during the Reagan and Bush years OK. With that in mind, Mr. Speaker, that when we provided in excess of 40 per- Now we have this group that stands first, none of the funds would be used cent of all the subsidies globally for up and says: ‘‘I am against abortion, for abortion, and second, that none of family planning, but we did it in a way but do not listen to the pro-lifers on the funds will be used to support the that did not promote or perform abor- this side or that side of the aisle.’’ family planning program which we all tions. That is the key. Money is fungible, down to a penny. If abhor in China, the question arises: Ms. PELOSI. Reclaiming my time we free up money with all sorts of U.S. Why are we holding the poorest of the and in conclusion, Mr. Speaker, let me restrictions and we know they are not poor people in the world who depend on say, if Members abhor abortion, as we going to be obeyed, then it is going to family planning funds that are pro- all do, they should support family plan- drive abortion and the political under- vided in this bill hostage to the Chi- ning and vote against this amendment. mining of the laws, and the majority of nese regime’s policy. Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Speaker, I yield the 185 nations in the U.N., over 100, Mr. Speaker, I call this, with all due the balance of my time to the gen- will have their laws undermined by respect to my colleague, the gentleman tleman from California [Mr. DORNAN]. these people who are driven almost as from Albama [Mr. CALLAHAN], our dis- The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. a religious conviction about abortion. tinguished chairman, the make mat- GOODLATTE). The gentleman from Cali- Mr. Speaker, Dr. James Timothy ters worse amendment. We had a situa- fornia [Mr. DORNAN] is recognized for 3 McMahon, who with Dr. Haskell tion which was a challenge to us about minutes. worked out partial birth abortion, is funding for family planning. We have Mr. VOLKMER. Mr. Chairman, will buried near my parents in Holy Cross been fighting that fight. Many people the gentleman yield? Cemetery in Culver City. I visited that December 13, 1995 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H 14795 cemetery Sunday. He renounced his coming FY96 Authorization Bill Conference. The Sergeant at Arms will notify ab- whole life to abortion. Money is fun- The proposed legislation in the Senate bill sent Members. gible, listen to the pro-lifers. would ban use of anti-personnel landmines The vote was taken by electronic de- Mr. SPENCE. Mr. Speaker, I wish to com- by US forces except in narrowly defined sce- vice, and there were—yeas 226, nays mend my colleagues on the Foreign Oper- narios. I have significant concerns because, as written, American personnel would be 201, not voting 5, as follows: ations Appropriations Subcommittee for their placed at risk. [Roll No. 850] work on this year's Foreign Operations Appro- The proposed legislation, beginning 3 years YEAS—226 priations Act (H.R. 2666). On balance, H.R. after enactment, would prohibit the use for 1 Allard Gillmor Ortiz 2666 moves us in the right direction as we year of anti-personnel landmines by US Archer Goodlatte Orton seek to come to grips with the role of the Unit- forces, except in marked and guarded mine- Armey Goodling Oxley ed States in the post-cold war world. fields along internationally recognized na- Bachus Goss Packard However, I rise to express my opposition to tional borders and demilitarized zones. Baker (CA) Graham Parker The legislation would effectively prohibit Baker (LA) Gutknecht Paxon a specific provision adopted by the conference Ballenger Hall (TX) Peterson (MN) that would impose a moratorium on the use of the use of all self-destructing mine systems because they employ a combination of anti- Barcia Hamilton Petri antipersonnel landmines by the U.S. military. tank and anti-personnel mines. Self de- Barr Hancock Pombo Barrett (NE) Hansen Portman This provision does nothing to address the structing anti-personnel mines represent ap- problem that led to its adoptionÐnamely, the Bartlett Hastert Poshard proximately 65 percent of the US total anti- Barton Hastings (WA) Quillen tens of thousands of unexploded non-self-de- personnel mine inventory. Mines were an in- Bateman Hayes Quinn structing landmines that are taking a tragic toll dispensable component of the coalition’s Bereuter Hayworth Radanovich on civilian noncombatants around the world. ability to conduct the maneuver warfare Bevill Hefley Rahall Instead, it unilaterally bars the United States that made such an important contribution to Bilirakis Heineman Regula victory in DESERT STORM. Significantly, Bliley Herger Riggs from using a legitimate weapon in combat for Boehner Hilleary Roberts defensive purposes while other nations are not mines secured the right flank of General Bonilla Hoekstra Roemer similarly restricted. Schwarzkopf’s ground offensive in western Bono Hoke Rogers Even the administration, which has made a Iraq. Brewster Holden Rohrabacher I wish to emphasize that mines used by US Browder Hostettler Ros-Lehtinen global ban on the use of antipersonnel land- Armed Forces self-destruct a short period of Brownback Hunter Roth mines one of its foreign policy objectives, is time after emplacement with a high degree Bryant (TN) Hutchinson Royce vigorously opposed to this moratorium. No of reliability and do not pose a significant Bunn Hyde Rush Bunning Inglis Salmon less an authority than the Chairman of the humanitarian problem. Restricting anti-per- Burr Istook Sanford Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Shalikashvili, sonnel landmines to ‘‘internationally recog- Burton Jacobs Saxton has noted that ``antipersonnel landmines will nized national borders’’ and demilitarized Buyer Johnson, Sam Scarborough be required by U.S. forces for safe defense in zones effectively prohibits their use by US Callahan Jones Schaefer the foreseeable future'' and that a prohibition forces in most combat scenarios. Defensive Calvert Kanjorski Seastrand minefields around sensitive military instal- Camp Kasich Sensenbrenner on their use would place American forces at lations such as Naval Station Guantanamo Canady Kildee Shadegg Chabot Kim Shaw risk. Bay, Cuba, would also be precluded. US General Shalikashvili expressed his con- Chambliss King Shuster forces are heavily dependent upon such Chenoweth Kingston Skeen cerns in a letter to me on September 12. I find minefields for security. Christensen Klink Skelton his arguments logical and persuasive, and re- The US military strongly opposes the ille- Chrysler Knollenberg Smith (MI) quest at this point that a copy of his letter be gal and irresponsible use of these mines and Clinger LaFalce Smith (NJ) inserted in the RECORD. is a proponent of humanitarian demining ac- Coble LaHood Smith (WA) Landmines are an integral part of current tivities to alleviate suffering caused by Coburn Largent Solomon them. However, anti-personnel landmines Collins (GA) Latham Souder U.S. war-fighting doctrine and an important Combest LaTourette Spence will be required by US forces for safe defense economy of force multiplier. They played a Cooley Laughlin Stearns in the foreseeable future. Congress and the critical role in defending our troops during the Costello Lewis (CA) Stenholm American people expect us to fight and win Cox Lewis (KY) Stockman decisive final stage of the Persian Gulf war by conflicts with minimum casualties. That Crane Lightfoot Stump protecting General Schwartzkopf's forces as goal requires the retention of the capabili- Crapo Linder Stupak they closed in to defeat Saddam Hussein's ties provided by the advanced, self-destruct- Cremeans Lipinski Talent army deep within Iraqi territory. ing mine systems which would be prohibited Cubin Livingston Tanner Cunningham LoBiondo Tate The U.S. military uses antipersonnel land- under the proposed legislation. de la Garza Lucas Tauzin mines in strict accordance with the inter- While I wholeheartedly support US leader- Deal Manton Taylor (MS) national laws of armed conflict. This morato- ship in the long-term goal of anti-personnel DeLay Manzullo Taylor (NC) rium would place unreasonable and unprece- landmine elimination, unilateral actions Diaz-Balart Mascara Tejeda which needlessly place our forces at risk now Dickey McCollum Thornberry dented restrictions on the use of a lawful will not induce good behavior from irrespon- Doolittle McCrery Tiahrt weapon. sible combatants. As practical solutions are Dornan McDade Traficant Other countries, most notably China and pursued, our priorities must be to maintain Doyle McHugh Volkmer Russia, have made it clear that they consider Dreier McIntosh Vucanovich warfighting superiority while concurrently Duncan McKeon Waldholtz landmines to be an integral part of their overall protecting the safety of US service men and Ehlers McNulty Walker military posture, and have refused to fore- women. I consider this to be a critical force Ehrlich Metcalf Walsh swear their use. protection issue and request your support to Emerson Mica Wamp In summary, a unilateral moratorium on anti- defeat the proposed legislation. English Miller (FL) Watts (OK) Sincerely, Ensign Mollohan Weldon (FL) personnel landmines use by the United States Everett Montgomery Weldon (PA) JOHN M. SHALIKASHVILI, will diminish the U.S. ability to conduct ground Ewing Moorhead Weller Chairman. Fields (TX) Murtha Whitfield combat operations. It would put our soldiers at The SPEAKER pro tempore. All time greater risk and require increased expendi- Flanagan Myers Wicker has expired. Pursuant to House Resolu- Forbes Myrick Wolf tures to maintain an equivalent level of battle- tion 296, the previous question is or- Fox Neumann Young (AK) field protection. The potential cost of this mor- Frisa Ney Young (FL) dered. atorium is likely to be measured not only in Funderburk Norwood Zeliff The question is on the motion offered Gallegly Nussle dollars, but in American soldiers' lives. by the gentleman from Alabama [Mr. Geren Oberstar We should all oppose this moratorium, and CALLAHAN]. NAYS—201 should instead continue to ensure that we pro- The question was taken; and the Abercrombie Bilbray Castle vide our fighting men and women in uniform Speaker pro tempore announced that the tools they need to accomplish the mis- Ackerman Bishop Chapman the ayes appeared to have it. Andrews Blute Clay sions they are called upon to perform. Mr. WILSON. Mr. Speaker, I object Baesler Boehlert Clayton THE CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, to the vote on the ground that a Baldacci Bonior Clement Washington, DC, September 12, 1995. Barrett (WI) Borski Clyburn quorum is not present and make the Bass Boucher Coleman Hon. FLOYD SPENCE, Becerra Brown (CA) Collins (IL) Chairman, Committee on National Security, point of order that a quorum is not present. Beilenson Brown (FL) Collins (MI) House of Representatives, Washington, DC. Bentsen Bryant (TX) Condit DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN: I solicit your support The SPEAKER pro tempore. Evi- Berman Cardin Conyers on the topic of landmines during the forth- dently a quorum is not present. H 14796 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE December 13, 1995

Coyne Horn Payne (VA) report to accompany the bill (H.R. 1977) THE WHITE HOUSE, December 13, 1995. Cramer Houghton Pelosi Danner Hoyer Peterson (FL) making appropriations for the Depart- f ment of the Interior and related agen- Davis Jackson-Lee Pickett b DeFazio Jefferson Pomeroy cies for the fiscal year ending Septem- 1245 DeLauro Johnson (CT) Porter ber 30, 1996, and for other purposes, WAIVING THE PROVISIONS OF Dellums Johnson (SD) Pryce Deutsch Johnson, E. B. Ramstad which was referred to the House Cal- CLAUSE 4(b) OF HOUSE RULE XI Dicks Johnston Rangel endar and ordered to be printed. AGAINST CONSIDERATION OF Dingell Kaptur Reed f CERTAIN RESOLUTIONS RE- Dixon Kelly Richardson PORTED FROM THE COMMITTEE Doggett Kennedy (MA) Rivers REPORT ON FARMINGTON RIVER ON RULES Dooley Kennedy (RI) Rose PURSUANT TO WILD AND SCENIC Dunn Kennelly Roukema Durbin Kleczka Roybal-Allard RIVERS ACT—MESSAGE FROM Mr. SOLOMON. Mr. Speaker, by di- Edwards Klug Sabo THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED rection of the Committee on Rules, I Engel Kolbe Sanders STATES call up House Resolution 297 and ask Eshoo Lantos Sawyer for its immediate consideration. Evans Lazio Schiff The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Farr Leach Schroeder LAHOOD) laid before the House the fol- The Clerk read the resolution, as fol- Fattah Levin Schumer lowing message from the President of lows: Fawell Lewis (GA) Scott H. RES. 297 Fazio Lincoln Serrano the United States; which was read and, Fields (LA) Lofgren Shays together with the accompanying pa- Resolved, That the requirement of clause Filner Longley Sisisky pers, without objection, referred to the 4(b) of rule XI for a two-thirds vote to con- Flake Lowey Skaggs Committee on Resources: sider a report from the Committee on Rules Foglietta Luther Slaughter on the same day it is presented to the House Foley Maloney Smith (TX) To the Congress of the United States: is waived with respect to any resolution re- Ford Markey Spratt Fowler Martinez Stark I take pleasure in transmitting the ported from that committee for the remain- Frank (MA) Martini Stokes enclosed report for the Farmington der of the first session of the One Hundred Franks (CT) Matsui Studds River in the States of Massachusetts Fourth congress providing the territory of Franks (NJ) McCarthy Thomas and Connecticut. The report and my the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, any Frelinghuysen McDermott Thompson recommendations are in response to amendment thereto, any conference report Frost McHale Thornton thereon, or any amendment reported in dis- Furse McKinney Thurman the provisions of the Wild and Scenic agreement from a conference thereon. Ganske Meehan Torkildsen Rivers Act, Public Law 90–542, as Gejdenson Meek Torres amended. The Farmington River Study The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Gekas Menendez Torricelli LAHOOD). The gentleman from New Gephardt Meyers Towns was authorized by Public Law 99–590. Gibbons Miller (CA) Upton The study was conducted by the Na- York [Mr. SOLOMON] is recognized for 1 Gilchrest Minge Vento tional Park Service, with invaluable hour. Gilman Mink Visclosky assistance from a congressionally man- Mr. SOLOMON. Mr Speaker, for the Gonzalez Moakley Ward purposes of debate only, I yield the cus- Gordon Molinari Waters dated study committee. The National Green Moran Watt (NC) Park Service determined that the 11- tomary 30 minutes to the gentleman Greenwood Morella Waxman mile study segment in Massachusetts from Massachusetts [Mr. MOAKLEY], I Gunderson Nadler White know he is going to support this rule Gutierrez Neal Williams and the 14-mile study segment in Con- Hall (OH) Nethercutt Wilson necticut were eligible for designation which will get all of our Members home Harman Obey Wise based upon their free-flowing character by Christmas, pending which I yield Hastings (FL) Olver Woolsey and recreational, fish, wildlife and his- myself such time as I may consume. Hefner Owens Wyden Mr. Speaker, during the consider- Hilliard Pallone Wynn toric values. Hinchey Pastor Yates The 14-mile Connecticut segment of ation of the resolution, all time yield- Hobson Payne (NJ) Zimmer the river has already been designated ed, of course, is for debate only. NOT VOTING—5 as a Wild and Scenic River pursuant to Mr. Speaker, this rule is similar to rules we granted prior to the Thanks- Brown (OH) Mfume Velazquez Public Law 103–313, August 26, 1994. The McInnis Tucker purpose of this transmittal is to inform giving recess for the consideration of the Congress that, although eligible for general appropriations bills, continu- b 1243 designation, I do not recommend that ing appropriations resolutions, the The Clerk announced the following the Massachusetts segment be des- debt limit bill, and the Balance Budget pair: ignated at this time due to lack of sup- Act. On this vote: port by the towns adjoining it. If at In this instance, we would be waiving Mr. McInnis for, with Mr. Brown of Ohio some future date the towns should clause 4(b) of rule XI, which requires a against. change their position and the river has two-thirds vote for the same day con- Mr. LAZIO of New York and Ms. retained its present characteristics, sideration of special rules reported DUNN of Washington changed their the Congress could reconsider the from this committee, for rules that vote from ‘‘yea’’ to ‘‘nay.’’ issue. Also, for 3 years from the date of deal with bills, resolutions, amend- Mr. EWING and Mr. KILDEE changed this transmittal, the Massachusetts ments, and conference reports dealing their vote from ‘‘nay’’ to ‘‘yea.’’ segment will remain subject to section with five separate matters: So the motion was agreed to. 7(b) of the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act. First, general appropriations bills; The result of the vote was announced Section 7(b) prohibits licensing of second, continuing appropriations as above recorded. projects by the Federal Energy Regu- measures; third, debt limit measures; A motion to reconsider was laid on latory Commission and Federal or fed- fourth, the Balanced Budget Act; and the table. erally assisted water resource develop- fifth, measures relating to United f ment projects that would have a direct States troops in Bosnia. and adverse effect on the values for At the request of the minority lead- REPORT ON RESOLUTION WAIVING which the river might be designated. ership, we have dropped two provisions POINTS OF ORDER AGAINST Finally, the report includes the Upper from an earlier draft that would have FURTHER CONFERENCE REPORT Farmington River Management Plan waived the layover requirement for all ON H.R. 1977, DEPARTMENT OF that is referenced in Public Law 103–313 conference reports and created special THE INTERIOR AND RELATED as the plan by which the designated suspension days on days other than AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS river will be managed. Mondays and Tuesdays. ACT, 1996 The plan demonstrated a true part- As Members may be aware, there is Mrs. WALDHOLTZ, from the Com- nership effort of the type that we be- already a standing House rule that per- mittee on Rules, submitted a privi- lieve will be increasingly necessary if mits the same day consideration of spe- leged report (Rept. No. 104–403) on the we are to have affordable protection of cial rules for any matter during the resolution (H. Res. 301) waiving points our environment in the future. last 3 days of a session. But that rule is of order against the further conference WILLIAM J. CLINTON. not activated until we have adopted a