S1840 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — SENATE March 13, 2002 And as to the objections that the we can reach an agreement which will have been involved in that words do Senator has cited, we heard similar ob- allow us to vitiate this cloture motion, have meaning and some people view jections to an earlier version of this and if that can be done, we will vitiate words that are technical as not tech- section. Frankly, we thought we had the vote on cloture on Friday and we nical. accommodated the concerns that were will move forward, but time has run We require the agreement of all of brought to us and modified the amend- out. our colleagues who have been involved ment in order to do that. It is essential we at least file cloture in this issue, including Members of the Now, of course, after making the today on the motion to proceed in House, and we have to be sure of a cer- modifications, we are faced with an order to accommodate a worst case sce- tain methodology that would be taken amendment to strike the section en- nario on campaign finance reform. I up in the other body. So we will be glad tirely. I think it is good public policy have put all of our colleagues on notice to continue to negotiate. I hope we can for the Federal Government to assist that this is one piece of legislation reach agreement, but under no cir- States that want to have these pro- that must be completed prior to the cumstances would our failure to reach grams. I do not see why it is in the pub- time we leave for the Easter recess. So an agreement on a technical package lic interest to strike a provision that we will have the cloture vote on Fri- of amendments impede the process we enables the Secretary of Transpor- day, if it is required. We will then be on are now embarked on of reaching final tation to pursue this, to the extent the the bill on Monday. I will notify our resolution on Shays-Meehan/McCain- Appropriations Committee puts in colleagues that we will file cloture on Feingold before we leave for the next funds to support the program. Monday for a Wednesday cloture vote, break. So I very much hope we will not and assuming we get cloture on I wish to make it clear, I am willing, adopt the Senator’s amendment and Wednesday, we will be in session all along with my colleagues, to work on have this provision stricken from the night Wednesday night, all night so-called technical amendments, but in bill. To my mind, it is a good provision. Thursday night, and we will then have no way would they impact the final It provides an opportunity for States our vote on Friday. passage of the bill because they are to move ahead with these programs So Senators should be aware, it may technical in nature. That is the name where they would like to do that and be unusual but we will be involved in of them. So I, again, thank the major- where Federal funds are made avail- an all-night session Wednesday and ity leader. I thank my friend Senator able. Thursday night in order to complete FEINGOLD, and perhaps—and I empha- As I see it, it is not onerous in any our work on the bill by Friday. size ‘‘perhaps’’—we can reach some am- respect as to either what States are re- Now again, it is my hope that per- icable agreements to get this thing quired to do or what individuals are re- haps we can reach some agreement done without causing discomfort to the quired to do. The entire effort is purely with regard to the package of technical schedules and lives of our colleagues. voluntary. amendments. We have not been able to The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- I yield the floor. do it to date. I am concerned that time ator from Nevada. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ma- is quickly running out, but we are cer- Mr. REID. I know the Senator from jority leader. tainly more than willing to continue Wisconsin wishes to say a few words, f our discussions. I have run out of time but before these two men leave, I want- in terms of our ability to assure we can ed to be able to say to them it is not BIPARTISAN CAMPAIGN REFORM have the cloture votes at a time that often in this body that one can make ACT OF 2002—MOTION TO PROCEED will accommodate completing our such a significant difference as they CLOTURE MOTION work by the end of next week. have done with campaign finance. Mr. DASCHLE. Madam President, I So I thank my colleagues. I espe- I can remember in 1986, I woke up one move to proceed to H.R. 2356, and I cially thank the distinguished Sen- morning and the State of Nevada was send a cloture motion to the desk. ators MCCAIN and FEINGOLD for their covered with signs of my opponent. I The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clo- extraordinary work and effort in get- thought to myself, what a tremendous ture motion having been presented ting us to this point. waste of money. Why would he be wast- under rule XXII, the Chair directs the I yield the floor. ing money on signs? They cost so clerk to read the motion. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- much. So I filed a complaint with the The assistant legislative clerk read ator from Arizona. Federal Election Commission. Two as follows: Mr. MCCAIN. Madam President, I years later I get a response that they CLOTURE MOTION thank the majority leader for his have done something technically in We, the undersigned Senators, in accord- steadfastness in this effort. It has been violation. ance with the provisions of rule XXII of the a long odyssey, and as we have reached The fact is, the signs were paid for by Standing Rules of the Senate, hereby move crucial points he has been extremely the State party. That was the begin- to bring to a close the debate on the motion helpful in moving this process along. It ning of this rush of corporate money. to proceed to Calendar No. 318, H.R. 2356, a has been pretty clear in the last few From that time, 1986 to 1998, 12 years, bill to provide bipartisan campaign reform: weeks that the opposition has chosen it changed dramatically. Between JOHN Russell D. Feingold, , Tim to delay consideration of the bill. So I Johnson, Byron Dorgan, Bob Graham, ENSIGN and , from signs , Joe Biden, Patty Mur- thank him and look forward to trying paid for by the State party, there was ray, Jim Jeffords, Jeff Bingaman, to reach an agreement with the oppo- $20 million spent in the State of Ne- Debbie Stabenow, Max Baucus, Ben nents of the bill so we are not required vada, not counting independent ex- Nelson of Nebraska, Harry Reid, Rich- to follow the scenario as outlined by penditures. The vast majority of that ard J. Durbin, Jon Corzine, Tom Car- the majority leader. I am not sure we was corporate money. That is not per. can get an agreement without that sce- going to happen when this legislation Mr. DASCHLE. Madam President, I nario being presented. So I thank him takes effect. withdraw the motion to proceed. for that. I am so grateful to these two men for The PRESIDING OFFICER. The mo- For the benefit of my colleagues, what they have done to make my life tion to proceed is withdrawn. Senator MCCONNELL approached me a more understandable. I will still have Mr. DASCHLE. Madam President, as short time ago. He said he wanted to to work hard to raise money, but I will I indicated to Senator LOTT and as I in- continue negotiations on a so-called not have to go to people and ask for dicated yesterday to a joint leader package of technical amendments and large sums of money for the State meeting, we would be required to file that he would not insist that a sub- party, or for myself for the State cloture on the motion to proceed to the stantive amendment be considered on party, however it worked, however one campaign finance reform bill today, it. I will be glad to, along with my col- had to do it just right. this afternoon. We have been working league Senator FEINGOLD, consider any I know the Senator from Arizona has patiently with our colleagues who have technical changes that are purely tech- indicated he appreciated Shays-Mee- opposed campaign reform now for some nical in nature, but we have found out han. Well, I appreciate the work they time. I am still hopeful that perhaps in the course of this long odyssey we have done, also. I admire those two

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What is the pend- If the vehicles are scrapped, then filed in the House forcing the House ing business? their parts are destroyed. A reduced leadership to take up this legislation. AMENDMENT NO. 3007 supply of older auto parts translates Now there is going to be a lot written The PRESIDING OFFICER. The into an increased demand for these about this. There will never be enough amendment is No. 3007, offered by the parts, raising the cost for anyone who positive written about the work you Senator from Colorado. desires to responsibly maintain his or two have done. If you never do another Mr. BROWNBACK. I rise to speak in her older vehicle. Low- and fixed-in- thing legislatively—which you both do favor of the amendment of my col- come car occupiers who cannot afford a great deal—you have done so much. league from Colorado. to purchase a new DOE-approved vehi- There are very few people in the his- Is there a time agreement or alloca- cle are affected. I don’t think the au- tory of this country, in my opinion, tions on the amendment? thors of this provision desire that sort The PRESIDING OFFICER. There is legislatively, that have done as much of feature. That is the likely impact. none. If the Department of Energy gets as you are about to accomplish when Mr. BROWNBACK. I rise to speak in into a State grant program and buys up this legislation passes. favor of the amendment put forward by a bunch of older used cars, it will drive I wanted you to be here to tell you my colleague from Colorado, Senator how much people will appreciate the up the market price for the cars. That , on the ve- is not an impact we want on lower or fact, even though they may not feel the hicle scrap provision that is in the un- moderate-income families, or families benefit as some Members here, with the derlying energy bill. work you have done. It will improve The Senator from Colorado has hit it seeking to buy a first-time car for a our system of government, and it will right. This program is not a good idea. younger member of the family. They put it back, in my opinion, the way it It is not a good idea to put forward should not be competing against the used to be, when people campaigned— Federal funds to purchase used cars as Government for that car, nor should instead of going out seeing how much a way of trying to improve fuel effi- they compete against the Government money they could raise. ciency. This is unproven, not wise, and for replacement parts for that car be- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- expensive in the process. Plus, by the cause the older vehicles are being ator from Wisconsin. number of calls and letters we have scrapped. Mr. FEINGOLD. We thank the Sen- been getting in my office, a lot of peo- Vehicle scrappage hurts small busi- ator from Nevada for his extremely ple do not think it is a very bright idea ness by encouraging the destruction of kind words and we thank the majority to go with this program. They do not older, and in some cases vintage, cars leader for his firm resolve in a very see the benefits. A number of car en- and the parts necessary for mainte- reasonable timeframe to bring this thusiasts think this is a program nance. This provision would have a det- matter to a conclusion. I also thank aimed at getting at them. rimental effect on the automotive in- the Senator from Nevada for the many This provision creates a federally dustry on aftersales. After the new car hours he has been here with us on this funded program giving grants to States is sold, there is a huge industry that issue. He has been extremely helpful. I to establish scrappage programs for ve- supports the auto industry in the auto- look forward to the final stages with hicles 15 years or older or pursue re- motive sales after the original sale; 98 the Senator from Nevada and my col- pairs to improve fuel economy. Owners percent of that business is comprised of league. who turn in such vehicles receive a small businesses. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Sen- minimum payment and future credit The potential cost of the program to ator from Arizona. toward purchasing a new vehicle, meet- taxpayers is unclear. Certainly the Mr. MCCAIN. Madam President, I ing certain DOE guidelines. benefits are unclear, but the costs are thank the Senator from Nevada not The stated intent is to retire fuel-in- unclear. This provision states neither only for his kind remarks, which may efficient vehicles, the first program of how much DOE will pay for each be to some degree undeserved, but his its kind. All prior State scrappage pro- scrapped vehicle nor the value of the continuous help as we have gone grams sought to address poor emis- credit toward a new vehicle purchase. through every conceivable parliamen- sions. The provision requires a vehicle The State programs do not offer a clear tary obstacle as we moved forward. I to be scrapped, not stripped for parts. precedent. The State of California Bu- am very appreciative of his patience, To make a couple of points, this pro- reau of Automotive Repair pays $1,000 as well as his kind words. vision has no guaranteed environ- for each donated car. However, this Perhaps we are entering the last mental benefit. Vehicle scrapping re- program addresses the State’s poor air phase. Perhaps not. As the famous phi- quires States neither to determine the quality, not fuel efficiency. Moreover, losopher Yogi Berra said: It ain’t over fuel efficiency of vehicles being no State provides interested car dona- until it’s over. scrapped nor to certify that scrapped tors with credits toward the purchase I think we have established a sce- vehicles are replaced by more fuel-effi- of new cars. This vehicle scrap program nario which could lead us to a conclu- cient vehicles. A carowner could scrap does not meet its own intended goals. sion. I believe, for a period of time, this an older but more fuel-efficient com- It hurts low- and middle-income fami- result may have the beneficial effect pact car and replace it with a newer lies who are the predominant buyers of that Senator REID predicts. but less fuel-efficient vehicle. While re- used cars or families buying for first- I yield the floor. visions have been made to address this time car users. f problem, the fundamental issue re- It is the wrong way to dedicate our mains: There is no guarantee that the Federal resources. We all want a better NATIONAL LABORATORIES PART- scrapped car is actually replaced by a environment, but this is not the way to NERSHIP IMPROVEMENT ACT OF more efficient one. That is point one. achieve it. I urge my colleagues to vote 2001—Continued Under this provision, cars rarely or in favor of the Campbell amendment to Mr. REID. For the information of all never driven, vehicles that have mini- take out this provision. Senators, Senator DASCHLE has indi- mal or no impact on overall fuel econ- This impacts a lot more people than cated he would like a vote about 4:30 omy, may be turned into scrap. DOE what might appear on the surface. It this afternoon. So everyone should ar- would be required to pay and give cred- has broad impact for the public. It is range their schedules accordingly. This it to carowners for these cars, although not being well-received by the public. vote is on the Campbell amendment. they are just sitting there. We are getting a number of calls and Senator CAMPBELL has asked for the This provision could possibly hurt letters in our office saying this is a bad yeas and nays. They have been ordered. low- and fixed-income families and in- idea for a program. It seems highly

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