I Am Stephan Kinsella, a Patent Attorney and Austrian Economics and Anarc
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I am Stephan Kinsella, a patent attorney and Austrian economics and anarc... http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1727he/i_am_stephan_kinsella... I am Stephan Kinsella, a patent attorney and Austrian economics and anarchist libertarian writer who thinks patent and copyright should be abolished. AMA (self.IAmA) submitted 15 days ago by nskinsella I'm a practicing patent lawyer, and have written and spoken a good deal on libertarian and free market topics. I founded and am executive editor of Libertarian Papers (http://www.libertarianpapers.org/ ), and director of Center for the Study of Innovative Freedom (http://c4sif.org/ ). I am a follower of the Austrian school of economics (as exemplified by Mises, Rothbard, and Hoppe) and anarchist libertarian propertarianism, as exemplified by Rothbard and Hoppe. I believe in reason, individualism, the free market, technology, and society, and think the state is evil and should be abolished. I also believe intellectual property (patent and copyright) is completely unjust, statist, protectionist, and utterly incompatible with private property rights, capitalism, and the free market, and should not be reformed, but abolished. Ask me anything. 2336 comments share top 500 comments sorted by: best [–] skillip 21 points 15 days ago* Can voluntary user agreements create results similar to copyright/patents? If not, how? If so, are they consistent with you free market principals? permalink [–] nskinsella [S] 43 points 14 days ago No, they cannot. Contracts are just transfers of title to owned scarce resources, and they cannot, in any event, affect third parties. I deal wit this in the reserved rights section of Against Intellectual Property, at www.c4sif.org permalink parent [–] donjuancho 7 points 14 days ago* There could be voluntary agreements, such as a Non-disclosure agreement(NDA). You could 1 of 79 2/6/2013 6:21 PM I am Stephan Kinsella, a patent attorney and Austrian economics and anarc... http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1727he/i_am_stephan_kinsella... a Non-disclosure agreement(NDA). You could have each company that is interested in your product sign this. This would say that they can't make your product unless they agree to your terms and they can't disclose to others any of the information you send them. If they break the agreement you are entitled to a certain amount of money based on the contract. I believe this would fit with the contract theory of property. Edit:Grammer permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] acusticthoughts 30 points 15 days ago* How do we balance the need for individuals who invest great amounts of time in techniques and technologies that don't have the ability to go to a broad market with those who do? The best illustration would be someone like Edison who had the connections to get things to the world but didn't necessarily invent them. If we keep technologies secret until we figure out how to make money off of them - might we miss out on much? It seems like the patenting ability gives legal protection to put your ideas out there. And an NDA doesn't seem the same as worldwide patent protection. Of course, there is much potential benefit I see from so many who have put all of their plans and ideas out there (free music for one that leads toward concerts, etc). Seems like with the current system the little guy benefits at a certain point and then begins to lose out at a certain point to the big guys... What is your basic philosophy on how to get ideas to the marketplace? permalink [–] nskinsella [S] 55 points 14 days ago the purpose of law is to protect property rights, not to ensure entrepreneurs of every type can make a profit; that is their job. but for some ideas of what is possible, see http://c4sif.org /2012/01/conversation-with-an-author-about- copyright-and-publishing-in-a-free-society/ permalink parent [–] acusticthoughts 14 points 14 days ago Two points - 1. Are the things we have spent our personal time on not our property? 2. How do we balance the free information concept with the fact that we do need to make money to exist in this world. If we couldn't make money in the world we wouldn't be able to buy food. No 2 of 79 2/6/2013 6:21 PM I am Stephan Kinsella, a patent attorney and Austrian economics and anarc... http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1727he/i_am_stephan_kinsella... world we wouldn't be able to buy food. No food no science. As a side - I want all knowledge to be free because I believe the long term benefits are multiplied so greatly that any individual would benefit so much more than if they were to hold it close. However, we still live at a point where the prisoner's dilemma is real and to give it up usually means individual loss. permalink parent [–] nskinsella [S] 36 points 14 days ago spending time on something does not generate property rights. you don't own your labor, or your work. you only own your body and other scarce resoures that you (a) homestaed from their unowned state in nature, or (b) you acquire by contract from a previous owner. That's all you can or do own. Nothing else. Creation is neither necessary nor sufficient for property; this is a mistaken notion, as is Locke's confused labor theory of property which gave rise to Marxist crap. permalink parent [–] acusticthoughts 25 points 14 days ago* Why do I not own my labor or my work? If both of those things are direct by products of my own choices and my own body (and my labor and my work are scarce resources that I am homesteading from the earth if you want to get technical) - then it seems they are my property. Especially since my body and my time is a scarce resource. If we want to play the contract game - that seems kinda trivial compared to natural law. I am the possessor of this body, this body can do X, Y and Z. I am the one who chooses what to do, as such, anything I do is mine. How are these things not mine? permalink parent [–] legba 15 points 14 days ago I think what Stephan means is that your work isn't tangible property. You have to apply your labor in a productive manner to shape a scarce resource to useful purpose before your work is transformed into your property. For example, you could spend a day digging holes and filling them back up, thus expending your labor for no tangible result. On the other hand, you could put seeds into those holes before you filled them up, and then tend to the plants that grow from them, and those plants (and their fruit) would be considered your property. Labor 3 of 79 2/6/2013 6:21 PM I am Stephan Kinsella, a patent attorney and Austrian economics and anarc... http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1727he/i_am_stephan_kinsella... them, and those plants (and their fruit) would be considered your property. Labor on its own is nothing unless it creates tangible results. permalink parent [–] thizzacre 3 points 13 days ago Value is created by work; price is created by supply and demand. The value of a sound recording might be quite high, and the demand may also be quite high. The problem is that without creating artificial scarcity, the supply is infinite. Therefore the free market is not be able to compensate the people who have created the value. permalink parent [–] legba 3 points 13 days ago That's not quite true. The supply is only theoretically infinite, yet in practice it requires distribution. Take for example a simple item like a metal nail. For all intents and purposes, the supply of nails is infinite, since there are so many producers, it's so easy to produce and the material that it's made of is so cheap and plentiful that the price of the individual nail is almost negligible. And yet, despite all this, nail producers are still able to make a profit by creating them. It's because the distribution is NOT infinite, nor can it be. If you need nails, you'll probably go to a hardware store, or order them from a hardware store. You won't go to a newsstand or a bakery to buy nails. In the same way, content producers could continue making profit by focusing on distribution, rather than the product itself. Yes, I can go and download a movie or a song from wherever I want even now. The legal repercussion of such an act is almost non-existent. Why then, do I still pay for Netflix, Hulu, and buy music and apps on iTunes, etc.? Because I value my time more. I want these things delivered to me whenever I want them, in a way I prefer. So piracy really isn't a problem of supply, it's problem of distribution and availability. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (11 replies) [–] buffalo_pete 15 points 14 days ago (Not /u/nskinsella .) Why do I not own my labor or my work? You do, of course. If someone else duplicates your work, that's their labor and their work and they own it. For instance, if I make a digital copy of a piece of music, that's my hard drive and my electricity and my time. None of those things are yours. I'm not taking anything away from you; you still have everything you had before.