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Dáil Éireann Vol. 735 Thursday, No. 1 9 June 2011 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DÁIL ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Déardaoin, 9 Meitheamh 2011. Order of Business ……………………………… 1 Visit of Chinese Delegation …………………………… 8 Order of Business (Resumed) …………………………… 8 Appointment of Members to Committees: Motion …………………… 12 Ministerial Report: Referral to Select Committee …………………… 14 Finance (No. 2) Bill 2011: Financial Resolution Committee and Remaining Stages ……………………… 15 Fair Deal Scheme: Statements…………………………… 72 Ceisteanna — Questions Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Priorty Questions …………………………… 83 Other Questions …………………………… 92 Adjournment Debate Matters …………………………… 105 Adjournment Debate ……………………………… State Airports ……………………………… 105 Fisheries Protection …………………………… 108 Hospital Services ……………………………… 110 Questions: Written Answers …………………………… 113 DÁIL ÉIREANN DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL OFFICIAL REPORT Imleabhar 735 Volume 735 Déardaoin, 9 Meitheamh 2011. Thursday, 9 June 2011. ———— Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar 10.30 a.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Order of Business Minister for Education and Skills (Deputy Ruairí Quinn): It is proposed to take No. 8b, motion re appointment of members to committees, No. 8c, motion re referral to select commit- tee of proposed approval by Dáil Éireann of the report by the Minister for Defence regarding service by the Defence Forces with the United Nations in 2010, No. 8d, Finance (No. 2) Bill 2011 — Financial Resolution, No. 10 — Finance (No. 2) Bill 2011 — Committee and Remaining Stages and No. 10a — statements on the fair deal scheme. It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. tonight and business shall be interrupted on the conclusion of Question Time which shall be taken for 75 minutes on the conclusion of No. 10a, and in the event of a private notice question being allowed, it shall be taken after 45 minutes; and the order shall not resume thereafter; Nos. 8b,8c and 8d shall be decided without debate; the Committee and Remaining Stages of No. 10 shall be taken today and the proceedings thereon shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 5.30 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall, in relation to amendments, include only those set down or accepted by the Minister for Finance; the proceedings in relation to No. 10a shall, if not previously con- cluded, be brought to a conclusion after 45 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: (i) the statements shall be confined to a Minister or Minister of State and to the main spokes- persons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time and shall not exceed ten minutes in each case; and (ii) a 1 Order of 9 June 2011. Business [Deputy Ruairí Quinn.] Minister or Minister or State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed five minutes. An Ceann Comhairle: Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 4.45 p.m. agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with Nos. 8b,8c and 8d agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 10 agreed? Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It is not agreed. Deputy Éamon Ó Cuív: The Government said there would be reform in the House and that it was opposed to the use of the guillotine. What overriding urgency attaches to the Bill that requires the guillotine? If there is some overriding urgency, why was the Bill not introduced a week earlier so the debate would not have to be guillotined, in particular on the very important Committee and Report Stages? Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: We also object to the imposition of the guillotine in regard to the Bill. There are 39 amendments to come before the House today. How many of them will be properly addressed? I understand that some have been disallowed because of the usual argument that they may result in a charge. However, it is not in any way defensible that a guillotine has been applied to this or any other Bill at this time. It is inexcusable that the current coalition, which has continuously and vociferously opposed the imposition of guillotines even in the final weeks before a recess when the tradition of previous Governments seemed to be to try to rush through a list of legislation without proper debate, proposes to use the guillotine. It is not acceptable that the guillotine is being applied in this case and we will oppose it. We urge the Government to lift it. Deputy Joe Higgins: This is the second guillotine in as many days imposed by the Govern- ment. In the first week or two of this Dáil and in the programme for Government it made a virtue of the fact that guillotines would not be used in this manner and that there would be adequate time afforded for discussion on serious issues. It seems as if the reputation of the Government of being continuity Fianna Fáil is increased by the fact that it is continuing the bad tradition of using multiple guillotines from previous Dála, including one of which I was a Member. What is the explanation for this? Can we have adequate time to deal with these critical issues? If the Government proposes to continue to hammer the living standards of working people on behalf of bailing out European bankers and speculators we at least need time to tease it out and bring to its attention the dire consequences for ordinary people of what it is proposing. Deputy Ruairí Quinn: I have heard what the Opposition Deputies have said. The Bill is urgently needed. Its purpose is to give effect to the jobs initiative which is a job creation programme of €500 million. We already had an extensive debate in the House on the jobs initiative. The tourism industry in particular is awaiting VAT changes in order to promote growth and job creation. The policy content of the jobs initiative has been extensively debated in this House. Jobs are a priority for this Administration and we make no apology to anybody for that. We want to introduce the legal and financial measures necessary to make this effective. An Ceann Comhairle: Is the proposal for dealing with No. 10 agreed? Question put: “That the proposal for dealing with No. 10 be agreed to.” 2 Order of 9 June 2011. Business The Dáil divided: Tá, 85; Níl, 37. Tá Bannon, James. Kelly, Alan. Barry, Tom. Kenny, Seán. Breen, Pat. Kyne, Seán. Broughan, Thomas P. Lawlor, Anthony. Burton, Joan. Lynch, Ciarán. Buttimer, Jerry. Lynch, Kathleen. Byrne, Catherine. McEntee, Shane. Byrne, Eric. McFadden, Nicky. Cannon, Ciarán. McGinley, Dinny. Carey, Joe. McHugh, Joe. Coffey, Paudie. McLoughlin, Tony. Collins, Áine. McNamara, Michael. Conaghan, Michael. Mitchell, Olivia. Conlan, Seán. Mitchell O’Connor, Mary. Connaughton, Paul J. Mulherin, Michelle. Coonan, Noel. Murphy, Dara. Costello, Joe. Nash, Gerald. Coveney, Simon. Naughten, Denis. Creed, Michael. Neville, Dan. Deering, Pat. Nolan, Derek. Doherty, Regina. Noonan, Michael. Donohoe, Paschal. Ó Ríordáin, Aodhán. Dowds, Robert. O’Donnell, Kieran. Doyle, Andrew. O’Donovan, Patrick. Durkan, Bernard J. O’Mahony, John. English, Damien. O’Reilly, Joe. Farrell, Alan. O’Sullivan, Jan. Feighan, Frank. Perry, John. Ferris, Anne. Phelan, Ann. Fitzpatrick, Peter. Phelan, John Paul. Flanagan, Terence. Quinn, Ruairí. Hannigan, Dominic. Rabbitte, Pat. Harris, Simon. Reilly, James. Hayes, Brian. Ring, Michael. Hayes, Tom. Ryan, Brendan. Heydon, Martin. Spring, Arthur. Hogan, Phil. Stagg, Emmet. Howlin, Brendan. Stanton, David. Humphreys, Heather. Timmins, Billy. Humphreys, Kevin. Tuffy, Joanna. Keating, Derek. Walsh, Brian. Keaveney, Colm. White, Alex. Kehoe, Paul. Níl Browne, John. McGrath, Finian. Collins, Joan. McGrath, Michael. Collins, Niall. McLellan, Sandra. Colreavy, Michael. Murphy, Catherine. Cowen, Barry. Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín. Daly, Clare. Ó Cuív, Éamon. Doherty, Pearse. Ó Fearghaíl, Seán. Donnelly, Stephen. Ó Snodaigh, Aengus. Dooley, Timmy. O’Brien, Jonathan. Ellis, Dessie. O’Dea, Willie. Ferris, Martin. O’Sullivan, Maureen. Flanagan, Luke ‘Ming’. Pringle, Thomas. Fleming, Sean. Ross, Shane. Fleming, Tom. Smith, Brendan. Healy, Seamus. Stanley, Brian. Higgins, Joe. Tóibín, Peadar. Kelleher, Billy. Troy, Robert. Martin, Micheál. Wallace, Mick. McConalogue, Charlie. 3 Order of 9 June 2011. Business Tellers: Tá, Deputies Emmet Stagg and Paul Kehoe; Níl, Deputies Aengus Ó Snodaigh and Seán Ó Fearghaíl. Question declared carried. An Ceann Comhairle: Is the proposal for dealing with No. 10a, Statements on the fair deal scheme, agreed to? Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: It is not agreed. An Ceann Comhairle: I call Deputy Ó Caoláin. Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin: This is a hugely important issue, but we are no closer to the full exposure of what has really happened concerning the missing moneys allocated for the fair deal over the first five months of this year. The Minister for Health himself acknowledged this yesterday when he stated that he had not yet got to the root of the money trail. The Minister, Deputy Reilly, said he was still not happy that he had found out everything and he said he would keep at this until he did. He also referred to “pots of money” and “pilfering”, although that was not his second choice to describe it. There is no provision in what is offered here in proposal No. 4 for questioning the Minister. It only provides for statements with a five-minute statement from the Minister or Minister of State to conclude. It does not and will not accommodate what is necessary to get to the real facts at the core of this issue, which is causing distress for many older people and their families throughout the State. I have to say that unless the Government can provide for a proper question and answer opportunity for Deputies, we cannot support this proposal.
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