Thursday, March 29,1990 Chaitra 8, 1912 (Saka)

Ninth Series Vol.III, No.14 Thursday, March 29,1990 Chaitra 8, 1912 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES

(English Version)

Second Session

(Ninth Lok Sabha)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI Price: Rs., 50,00 CONTENTS

[Ninth ,co 'nes, Vol 11/, Second Session, 199011912 (Saka)]

No, "" ·sday, March 29, 1990/Chaitra 8, 1912 (Saka)

CoLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions 1-15

*Starred Question Nos 247,248 and 251 to 253 16-29

Welcome to Speaker of Sri Lankan Parliament 15-16

Wrrtten Answers to Questions 29-285

Starred Question Nos 249, 250, 254 to 268 29-53

Unstarred Question Nos 2621 to 2636, 2638 to 53-481 2663 2665 to 2719, 2721 to 2840

Papers laid on the Table 485-500

Matters Under Rule 377 500-507

(I) Need tor taking steps tor 500-501 saving forests In Kerala

Shn Mullappally Ramachandran

(II) Need for converting Main Central 501 Road In Kerala Into a National Highway

Shn Ramesh Chennrthala

(III) Need for constructing another 501 airport near Cochln

Prof K V Thomas

(IV) Need to complete construction 502 of dam over the nver KosI between Dargla and Phublan In Bihar

Shn Dasal Chowdhary

-The Sign + marked above the name of a Member IndICates that the question was actualty asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

CoLUMNS

(v) Need to treat lawyers In the 502 special category in the matter of alloting telephone connections

Ch. Jagdeep Dhankhar

(vi) Need to take steps to revive cement 503 industry Tn Sawai Madhopur. Rajasthan

Dr. Kirodi Lal Meena

(vii) Need for taking over the Katihar Jute 503-504 Mill in Bihar

Shn Yuvraj

(viii) Need tor opening a poly-technic tor 504-507 women In Indore (Madhya Pradesh)

Shrrmatl Sumitra Mahajan

Commissions of InqUiry (Amendment) Bill 507--562

Motion to consider

Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed 507-508

Shri P. Chidambaram 508-514

Shri Samarendra Kundu 514-521

Shn Guman Mal Lodha 521-526

Prof. Saif-ud-din Soz 525-531

Shri Sudarsan Raychaudhuri 531--534

Prot. K.V. Thomas 535-538

Shri Inder Jit 538-539

Shri Ram Krishan Yadav 540-541

Shri Indrajit Gupta 541-545

Shr\ A.N. S\ngh Dec (III)

CoLUMNS

Shn G M Banatwalla 548-552

Shn Glrdhan Lal Bhargava 552-556

Clauses 2 and 1 561-562

Motion to Pass, as amended 562

Shn Mufti Mohammad Sayeed

Cnmlnal Law Amendment (AmendIng) Bill 563--581 As Passed by RaJYa Sabha

Motion to consider

Shn Muttl Mohammad Sayeed 563-564

Shn P Chldambaram 564-565

Shn Jagdeep Dhankhar 565

Shn Guman Mal Lodha 566-567

Shn Amal Dana 567-571

Shn P C Thomas 572-573

Shn TeJ Narayan Singh 573

Clauses 2 and 1 575-576

MotIOn to Pass, as amended 580

Shn Mufti Mohammad Sayeed

Statement by Ministers 581-584

(I) Price Policy for Raw Jute for 571-572 1990-91 Season

Shn Devi Lal

(ii) Escape of Detenues from Central 581-684 Jail, Snnagar, on 28th March, 1990 (iv)

CoLUMNS

Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed

Discussion Under Rule 193 584-652 Accident to!h, Indian Airlines Airbus A-320 at Bangalore

Shn Nathu Singh 584-588

Shn Hansh Rawat 588-597

Shn Amal Datta 597--605

Shn Hukumdeo Narayan Yadav 606-610

Shn Shlklho Serna 610--611

Shn Sontosh Mohan Dev 611--619

Shn Sontosh Kumar Gangwar 620-621

Shn T eJ Narayan Singh 621--623

Shn Chitta Basu 62s--627

Prof K V. Thomas 627--629

Shrr YuvraJ 629--630

Prof Rasa Singh Rawat 630-632

Shn Surya Narayan Yadav 632-633

Shn Samarendra Kundu 633-637

Shrr Anf Mohammad Khan 637-652

Messages from RaJya Sabha 624-625 LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOKSABHA such refugees are to be settled?

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL M- FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) y .., s..

Thursday, March 29, 1990lChaitra 8, 1912 (b) 1315 refugees reached by ship on (Saka) 10.3.1990 and 277 by air on 11.3.1990.

(c) After consultations with the State Governments concerned, it was decided that these refugees should be temporarily lodged The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock in camps in Koraput District, Orissa.

(MR. SPEAKER in the Chair} (d) No, Sir.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (e) Government's attempt would be to ensure that Sri Lanka refugees return to their [English] country as soon as situation there normalises. Sri Lankan Tamil Refugees in Orissa SHRI A.N. SINGH OED: Sir, the Minis- + ter In the last part of his reply has used the *247. SHRI A.N. SINGH DEO: WOIdI to ~is effect viz. "As soon as situation SHRI CHinA BASU: there normalises." As we understand, the normal situation has already returned be- Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- cause the Indian Peace Keeping Force has FAIRS be pleased to state: already come back. We hear that this is 4 fight between the Eelam Peoples' Revolu- (a) whether Tamil refugees from Sri tionary Liberation Front and LTTE. So, it Lanka have reached Orissa for settlement; means that the situation there still continues to be serious. So, under the circumstances, (b) if so, the detai~s thereof including I would like to know by which date the Minis- their number and time since they landed ter expects norma'cy to return, so that the there; refugees can go back.

(c) the circumstances in which they are SHRII.K. GUJRAL: Sir, my hon. friend to be settled in Orissa and whether this has would have known that the number of total approval of Union State Govemments~ refugees \0 Orissa \s about 1600-ocid. Compared to that, In Tamil Nadu we have a (d) whether they are to be settled in much larger number of refugees. And the Orissa permanently and if so, the scheme return ot \PKF was not \inked w1th the 1101'- drawn up in this regard; and malisationotthe situation. But we are hoping and wisI*1g that the situation .".,. .. (e) any other State or States where become normal enough for the refugees to 3 Oral AnsW81S MARCH 29. 1990 Oral Answers 4 feel safe in going back to their homes. In the As far as I know. the Government of late meantime, our culture demands that we treat have conveyed its willingness to the Govern- them as our honoured guests. ment of Sri Lanka to sign a Friendship Treaty with Sri Lanka in prinCiple. SHRI A.N. SINGH DEO: We agree with the Minister. Orissa is a very poor State and Now, my question is this: (1) Under the the problem of these refugees is causing new proposed Friendship Treaty with the Sri tension there. The local people are resenting Lankan Government. would there be any this because the Government have accepted obligation on the part of the Government of them. But we would like to know whether the India to provide safety and security for the Sri whr'9 cost will be borne by the Central LanKan Tamils in Sri Lanka during condition ~i!jmment. of abnormalcy there? (2) May I know whether it is a fact that the IPKF itself arranged for the Secondly, I would like to know from the transport of these refugees by two Ships of Hon. Minister the following. He said that the Indian Navy? My friend Mr. Unnikrishnan there are some refugees In Tamil Nadu. will confirm it. The Ships are M. V. Harshav~ Would it not be better if all these refugees are ardana and M.V. Tippu Sultan. shifted to Tamil Nadu, so that they will be more at home where there are more refu- May I know whether the IPKF took gees? A poor State like Orissa will be re- consent from the Government of India with lieved from this burden. if it is done. regard to these arrangements made by the IPKF forthe transport of these refugees from SHRII.K. GUJRAL: Sofarasthefinan· Sri Lanka to India? ciaI burden is concerned, it is not on the Budget of the Orissa Government. The en- SHRII.K. GUJRAL: Sir. the IPKF acted tire financial burden will be borne br the in consuttation with the Government of India. Centre. So. Orissa does not have to bear About 1600 refugees did come in the Indian this. Ships. The reasons were very simple. We apprehended that their lives were really in So far as putting them together in Tamil danger. All these years, we have been feel· Nadu is concerned. there are diffICulties. ing concerned about the safety of Tamils and we fett that they were in danger. we helped SHRI CHinA BASU: The han. Minis- them out. tt was only a humanitarian thing ter has been pleased to say that the Govern- that had been done. ment hopes that normalcy will return soon in Sri Lanka and that that will create a condition So far as the Treaty is concerned. there for the return of those refugees, who are now is no further move as yet. But I have only at Koraput in Orissa to Sri Lanka. seen in the Press that the Government of Sri Lanka is wanting to enter into a diSCUSSion with us. When it comes to us, we will deal As you know with the complete re-in- with it. duction of the IPKF only two days ago and the collapse of the Government of Mr. Pe- DR. THAMBI DURAl: lamverythankful rumal. the LTIE militants as far as I know to the Minister for giving his reply, regarding have already moved into the key locations in these Sri Lankan Tamil refugees in Orissa. the North-Eastern Province. It seems that He said, in his reply. that in bringing the Sri the situation there presages a return to a pre- Lankan Tamil refugees to Tamil Nadu, there 1983 situation' meaning thereby a face to is some problem-he mentioned this. There face eonfR)lltation between the hostile Sin- is also a Press Note recently-I have seen haJa ArJ1fY and the Sri Lankan Tamils which it-that there is a movement going on in woutc(create conditions for further exodus of Orissa also, to see that the Sri Lankan Tamil Sri Lankans Tamils for India. refugees are sent to some other place. That 't. 5 Oral AnsW91S CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Oral AnSW91S 6 movement is going on. I want to know from fact that this area is the most backward and the Minister what his stand is regarding this a tribal area in Orissa-or not? Is he also situation, because the Chief MinisterofTamil aware of the fact that earlier, the East Paki- Nadu has said that by allowing these Sri stan refugees, about 20,000 of them, were Lankan Tamil refugees in Tamil Nadu, Tamil settled in the Malkangiri region-or not? Nadu will become another battle-field. He Because of this reason, Le. because of the also commented on how IPKF had operated. East Pakistan refugees' settlement in this Yesterday, the Chief Minister also have the particular Malkangiri area, the tribal people reason why he did not participate in the have suffered a lot, economically and so- reception for IPKF; it was because IPKF had cially. Now, there is a lot of agitation in these killed 5,000 Tamil people in Sri Lanka. I want tribal areas, particularly where these Sri to know the reaction from the National Front Lankan refugees have settled. Government, because DMK is a part of their Ministry. Therefore, I want to know their I would request the hon. Minister to let stand, on whether thiS Government is also of us know whether they are planning to shift the same opinon as the Chief Minister of these refugees from this particular Malkangiri Tamil Nadu regarding what he said yester- and Satiguda areas, to other city areas. day-that also, in the Tamil Nadu Assembly he mentioned it, and not In some other place. SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: I assure my hon. friend that there is no intention nor any I also want to know whether this kind of scheme to settre these people down there. statements will create iII-feelings in India. They are there only temporarily. They are in This is what I want to know from the han. no case a burden either on the Orissa Gov- Minister. ernment or on the Orissa economy. therefore, the question of settlement, and all SHRI I.K. GUJRAl: I am not willing to apprehensIons that have been roused, are enter into any controversy with an han. Chief unfounded. (Intem.lptions) Minister of any State. It is for him to say whatever he thinks proper. (Interruptions) SHRI YADVENDRA DATI: The Minis- ter should get in touch with the Sri Lankan DR. THAMBI DURAl: I want to know Government as well as the youth o~aniza your stand-whether you are accepting what tions there, and try to convince them to take he said regarding IPKF yesterday. You just back these refugees and settle them in their now commended the IPKF's operations: how own country, viz. Sri Lanka. or in their own very well they have dOne; but what did the capital. Chief Minister said yesterday? He said that he did not participate in ~e reception be- SHRI I.K. GWRAL: My hon. frlend cause these IPKF jawans Frad killed 5,000 would knowthatthetotal number of refugees Tamil people-he said it. (Interruptions) in India is much larger. About 90,000 refugees are still in Tamil Nadu itself; and these SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: I categorically af- 1600 people are in Orissa firm that IPKF only discharged its duties. h is totally incorrect to say anything elsa, and Naturally, we are very keen-so are tfle charge IPKF with anything which is wrong. Sri Lankans so far as I know-that these refugees go back; I am hoping and wishing DR. THAMBI DURAl: Are you con- about it and we are doing our best to per- demning it? suade the Sri Lankan Government to nor- malise the situation as speedily as possI)Ie SHRI BHAKTA CHARAN DAS: Th~se so that these people can go back home in 1611 Sri Lankan refugees have been settled safety and security. in the Malkangiri and Satiguda region of the Koraput distrid. Is the Minister aware 01 the SHRI YAOVENORA DATI: It is appar- 7 Oral Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Oral Answers 8 ent because out of fear they came away from (a) whether Government have id8ntl- that pIace-lTIE. fied the drought prone areas in different States; SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: Well, LTIE is an organisation of the militants in Sri Lanka and (b) whether ~ .vernment have any there is some understanding now I assume proposal to assist the farmers in those areas between them and the Sri lankan Govern- to grow alternative crops; and ment so that they both seem to be working towards restriction of peace. (c) if 50, the step~ taken by Government in this regard? SHRI ERA ANBARASU: Every Ta",il- ian should hang his head in shame to hear THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND that there is no place for the Tamil refugees MINISTEROF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI in Tamil Nadu which is ruled by Tamlian. LAL): (a) to (c). A Statement is laid on the The reason being that L TTE is the adopted Table of the House. son of Karunanidhi. STATEMENT MR. SPEAKER: You put a question. (a) 615 blocks in 91 districts of 13 ( Interruptions) States have been identified as drought prone areas for the purpose of the Drought Prone SHRI ERA ANBARASU: Both EPRlF Areas Programme (DPAP). and TULF are peace loving people; they are commlted to democracy; they want to live (b) and (c). In the drought prone areas, pMC8fuIly in Tamil Nadu; they will feel at the main crops grown are coarse cereals, home If they are settled in Tamil Nadu. pulses, oilseeds and cotton in accordance with agro-c1imatlc conditions. However, crop MR. SPEAKER: You want to extract yields are low and production fluctuates from some reply from the Minister. year to year due to a number of constraints such as inadequate and erratic rainfall, SHRI ERA ANBARASU: I hAard a undulating topography, poor soil fertility and rumourthatontheadviceoftheL" TE Leader, low level of investment in farming practices. Mr. Karunanidhi. Chief MinisterofTamiinadu, With a view to ensure ecological upgrada- refused to give an asylum to Tamil refugees tion and achieve agricultural stability. Cen- in Tamilnadu. Is it a fact? If it is not a fact, are tral Government have been implementing you proposed to bring them back again from the Drought Prone Areas Programme Orieaa to Tamilnadu so that they will feel at (DPAP). National Watershed Development home in Tamil Nadu? Programme for Rainfed Agriculture (NWDPRA) and the World Bank aided Rain- SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: My hon. friend fed Farming Project. These programmes might kMp one thing in "Ind that Tamil envisage adoption of an integrated area Nadu Md Tamil Nadu r .J .~ rnment are al- development approach taking watershedl ready bearing • big brunt of the situation. micro-watershed as a unit of planning and About 91.000 refugees are already there. management wherein farmers are assisted Therefore, to accuse the Chief Minister of in developing their land, conserving mois- not helping Tamilians is unfair. ture, storing and harnessing rain water and adopting more rationa' land use plans. Aulatance to Farmers In Drought Prone."-as Help is also given to farmers und... various crop development programme. for -248. SHRI BAlGOPAl MISHRA: Will supply of improved seeds through mini kia, the Minilter or AGRICULTURE be pleased P'ant protection measures on a subsidized to .....: ~. besides crop demonstration being 9 Oral Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Oral Answsrs 10 taken up on their lands. Technological sup- please ask the second supplementary. port is extended to farmers for adopting suitable cropping pattern and appropriat, SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Sir, an land use practices by the extension agen- amount of Rs. 600 crores has been spent cies. under this programme. So I would like to know from the han. Minister whether the SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Mr. Government will make any arrangement for Speaker, Sir, the DPAP was started in 1980- monitoring this fund. I would like to know 81 in the country and backward districts all about Orissa in particular because I do not over the country have been included !n this know as to what is being done in other states. programme. Till now a sum of Rs. 764 crore The entire funds allocated for this purpose to 83 lakh have been spent under this pro- the state have been misappropriated. gramme but in spite of spending such a huge amount on it, the condition of these districts [English] remains as it was. In Orissa, 14 blocks in Kalahandi, 11 blocks in Bolangir, 8 blocks in Ninety-five per cent of the money has Phulbani and 6 blocks in Sambhalpur dis- been misappropriated by the Government tricts have been included in this programme. officers of Orissa. Some seasoned politi~ Since the commencement of this programme cians, bureaucrats and many others are in 1981, the then Prime Minister Shri Raiiv invowed. Will the whole affair be investi- Gandhi paid several visits to Kalahandi but gated by Cal? till now no improvement has been made there. Even today girls are sold in Kalahandi Secondly, instead of spending money area. Even today starvation deaths are tak- on the so-called water harvesting strudure ing place there as a result of which people because water harvesting structure are very are migrating from the area In large num- old structures in our area, the money soou\d bers. Last year also, girls were sold in Bo- be better utilised. We have three types there, langir district. Sir, through you I would like to Bandha, Katta and Munda. Bandha means a ask the han. Minister whether some perma- pond, Katta means strudure and Munda is nent assets have been created there with the also a smatl structure which is constructed funds allocated by'the centre under DPAP. for irrigation purposes. So, in these last 10 Till now Rs. 600-700 crares have been spent years the structures have been renovated there, so I would like to know as to how much and this matter has been raised in the As- many acres of land have been brought under sembly also. We have written to different irrigation and the value of permanent assets forums of the Government of India, without that have been created there till now. any resu~. Will the Government take a decision to spend the entire amount on lift irriga- SHRI DEVI LAL: Mr. Speaker, Sir, in tion as that would be better utilised. Or, will reply to the question asked by the hon. the entire money be spent on recreation Member, I would like to say that identification ponds and diversion ponds on the perennial of drought prone areas is done on the basis and semi-perennial Naloas? of average rainfall in the area. Accordingly 615 blocks in 91 districts spread over 13 states have been declared as drought-prone SHRI OEVt LAL: Mr. Speaker, Sir. areas and assistance under DPAP is being many questions have been asked particu- provided to them. They are being provided larly about Orissa, so I would like to inform assistahce since 1972-73. that under the Seventh Frve Year Plan Rs. 419 crores have been spent under DPAP till SHRI BAlGOPAL MISHRA: Sir, I have December 1989. An amount of Rs. 7.2 crores not received any reply to my question. has been spent on maize and coarse grains.

MR. SPEAKER: It is alright, now you SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Sir, my 11 Oral Answers MARCH 29,1990 Oral Answers 12

question is quite different from the reply from the catchment areas. Seeds are pro- being given. vided to them as per their requirement assessed on availability of water and quality of SHRI DEVI LAl. I am givIng reply to land so that they may increase their produc- your question. The Government is paying tio'l. Therefore, the Government is providing full attention to the development of barren all possible help to the farmers. land in Orissa, which ;s totally dependent on rain. The seeds of the crops best sUited for SHRI ,JANESHWAR MISHRA: Mr. this land are provided to the farmers. Speaker, Sir, it is not a question of Orissa or ~r~ question uf drought alone. The farmers SHRI SATYNARAYAN JATIYA. Mr. all o·:er the coul1try are suffering losses due Speaker, Sir, due to natural calamities, the tc natL.ral c£llamities like drought. flood and farmers in Madhya Pradesh have b£en fac- tw.il~tcrm. The loss suffered by the persons ing difficulties for the last three yeai"3 ana 0:"1 :;.;' gag~ :n othfH vocations are campen- this account the State Government ha.3 sa.te1 by the Government through insurance demanded Rs. 320 crores from the Centra, e;c., so I would like to know whether the Government for warvlng shon terr.-; loans ot GO',;ernment have any scheme to compen· farmers. Now the Centrai Governr.1ent has sate the farmers if 50 per cent or more crops also announced the war-ve' 01 farmer's loan are damaged due to natural calamities? as a result of which the recovery of Ic::ms have been stopped. Under these circum- ShRI DEVI LAL: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the stances, the farmers are not In a position to Government is going to help such farmers sow their crops till fresh loans are granted to but at present criterion of 50 per cent cannot them. Therefore, through you, Sir. I would bG fixed but efforts are being made that the like to know from the han. Minister whether Centre and State may bear the burden atthe the Government would make a provision to ratio of 2:1. The Government is ready to grant loans to the farmers for sowing kharif assist the farmers as per the needs of their crops from NABARD and other Central land. Government Financial InstitutIons? SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD SHASTRI: SHRI BHAJAMAN BEHERA: Mr. Mr. Speaker, Sir, a scheme was formulated Speaker, Sir, there are only two sources of forthe drought prone areas during the period irrigation in drought prone areas in Orissa- 1971 to 1981 and some drought prone 'dis- first the utilisation of rain water and second tricts were included in that scheme. But there the utilisation of underground water. There- are certain districts which have not yet been fore, , would like to know about the scheme included in the Drought ReHei Scheme. \ ofthe Government to provide irrigatIon facili· would like to know from the hon. Deputy ties there. What IS the total drought prone Prime Minister whether the Government has area in Orissa and what deCision the Central any proposal under consideration to include Government has taken for providing rehef to those drought prone areas under DP AP which these areas? have not yet been included in it? I would like to inform that Rewa and Satna districts in SHRI DE VI LAL: In Onssa, 14 blocks in Madhya Pradesh have been experiencing Phulbani district, 11 blocks in Kalahandi drought for the last six years. Similarly, 26 district, 8 blocks in Bolangir district and 6 districts of Madhya Pradesh have been blocks in Sambhalpur district, which means experiencing drought situation tor the \ast a total of 39 blocks have been declared as five years. Therefore, I would like to know drought prone areas and assistance is given whether the Government have any pfOposa\ to each block taking into account a'leta

asked a good question. The drought prone at Aonla; and areas, whether they are in Madhya Pradesh or in Rajasthan or in Orissa, are being iden- (c) if so, when; and if not, the reasons tified by the Inquiry Comm ittee. The Govern- therefor? ment is endeavouring to provide maximum assistance in those areas which totally de- [English] pend on rain and efforts are being made to provide irrigation facilities in such areas. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- [English] TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) No, Sir. The Exchange has a capacity of 100 SHRI KOTlA VIJAY A BHASKARA lines Auto, with 89 connections working and REDDY: Sir, Rayalaseema area in Andhra there is no waiting list. Pradesh IS known for drought for centuries. The statement of the Minister is vague. The (b) and (c). However, it is planned to relief which has b"een mentioned in the state- provide an electronic exchange when the ment will not give any benefit to the farfTIers. demand builds up. In addition to this, for further development, he should also industrialise this area. May I [ Translation] know from the han. Minister whether he is thinking of having any plan of industrialising SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Mr. Speaker, the drought prone areas particularly Ray- Sir. i!1 the reply it has been stated that there alseema area? was a capacity of 100 lines in the Exchange, out of which 89 lines are working and there [ Translation] is no waiting Jist but my question is as to how many subscribers have disconnected their SHRI DEVI lAl: Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is telephones because of the poor service and not a question of Rayalseema area only but by which time the electronic telephone ex- it it the question related to entire country. The change would start functioning there? It has Government has to see as to what sort of been stated that 'electronic exchange would assistance should be provided to the farm- be set up' whereas my question is by which ers in different areas. For this purpose, the time it would be completed. I would like to Department of Agriculture nas appointed know from the hon. Minister as to how many committees to make on the spot study and subscribers have surrendered their telephone submit recommendations to the Government. connections because of poor service? The Go"ernment will act according to the recommendations of these committees. (English1

Electronic Telephone Exchange at SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I would Aonla require notice on this particular aspect as to how many have disconnected telephones *251. SHRIRAJVEERSINGH: Willthe because of poor service. However, I shall try Minister of COMMUN ICATIONS be pleased to find out and lay it on the Table. I can assure to state: the hon. Member that according to the information available, there is no waiting list and (a) whether the capacIty oi the existing that is the criterion which we have to apply. telephone exchange at Aonla in U.P. is in- As per the norms. at the moment, there ;s no adequate to meet the demand 01 the tele- \ust",cat\on tat an e\ecttonic e~change thete. phone SUbSCf\bets', But as non. Membets ate a~ate, aUf p\ans ate to ha"e e\ectmnic e~change e"e~whete ~b) i\ s6, whether Go"ernment propose and we '11m certainly consider the suggestion to set up an electrontc telephone exchange given by the han. Member. 15 Welcome to Speaker of MARCH 29, 1990 Oral Answ91S 16 Sri Lankan Parliament [ Translation] We wish him a fruitful stay and very happy sojourn in our country. We would Ike SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Mr. Speaker, to convey through him our best wishes to the Sir. the hon. Minister has stated in his reply President of Sri Lanka, the Parliament and ' that • is planned to provide an electronic the people of Sri Lanka. exchange when the demand builds up. My question is not that. By which time the plan will be implemented? Will the exchange be started this year or will it take five ten years complete? Aonla is an important place. ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS- IFFCO has set up a big factory there and CONTD. several new industries are also being set up there. If proper communication facilities are [English] not provided there, the industries bel,1g set up there will not be in a position to make any Implementation of Integrated Rural progress. Therefore, electronIc telephone Development Programme exchange should be set up there immediately. I would like to know whether the elec- *252. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: tronic exchange would be set up there in this Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be financial year or not? pleased to state:

(English] (a) whether a Government appointed Committee has revealed that anti-poverty SHRIK.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: lamaware measures like the Integrated Rural Develop- of what the han. Member has said just now. ment Programme (lRDP) suffered from vari- But as I said earlier, at the moment it does ous deficiencies like leakage in the admini- not justify that. Anyhow, since the hon. stration of subsidy funds; Member has said that it IS a very important place and Tehsil headquarter of U.P. Gov- (b) if so, the details of the deficiencies ernment, we shall certainly try to see that a pointed out by this Committee; and 524 ILT electronic exchange could be allotted for 1990-91 itself. (c) the steps taken or being taken to remove these deficiencies and make the scheme more effective and useful?

[ Translation] WELCOME TO SPEAKER OF SRI LANKAN PARLIAMENT THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI [English1 LAL): (a) to (c). A Statement is laid on the Table of the House. MR. SPEAKER: Before I ask han. Members to put further supplementaries, on STATEMENT behalf of this House and on my own behalf. I have great pleasure in welcoming Hon'ble The Government is implementing a Mr. M.H. Mohammed, Speaker of Parlia- number of programmes which together ment of Sri Lanka, who is currently on a visit constitute the total set up its anti-poverty to our country. he arrived here on f uesday, strategy. These include the Integrated Rural 27th March, 1990. Development Programme (IRDP).

Hon 'ble Speaker is seated in the Spe- 2. The programmes of the Government, cial Box. including IRDP, are monitored regularly and 17 Oral Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18 evaluated periodically. IRDP has also un- been introduced with effect from der-gone scrutiny through a numberofevalu- 1.4.1987. ation studies during the recent years. Such evaluation stud ies have generally found merit 6. Diversification of activities under in the programme which is aimed at provid- IRDP, Coordination with other ing productive assets to the poorest of the schemes like Operation Flood and poor. The greatest strength of the programme Integrated Child Development lies in the fact that over the years it has been Services have also been empha- able to mobilise a massive element of credit sised. from financial institutions for the poor fami- Hes. 7. For facilitating greater coverage of women under IRDP the Govern- 3. Some studies have also pointed out ment, from 1.1 .1990, has extended some weaknesses and deficiencies in the a group approach to all districts programme. These include an element of under which groups of women form- wrong identification, leakages of funds to ing thrift and credit societies would some extent, non-availability of assets in be provided matching grant for a some cases etc. Since the programme is revolving fund equal to the amount administered through the State Govern- of savings generated by the groups. ments, the deficiencies are brought to their The matching grant would be sub- notice and they take the necessary correc- ject to a ceiling of Rs. 15,000 per tive measures at the district and lower levels. group.

4. The central Government has taken 8. It has been decided recently that several steps to improve the imple'mentation from 1990-1991 ,3% of IRDP bene- of IRDP, including the following:- fits should be earmarked for physically handicapped persons under 1. A higher Investment per family JRDP. including package of assistance to enable them to have proper return Management of a programme like IRDP on investment for new beneficiar- is a dynamic process. This calls for a con- ies. tinuous response to the emerging -situations. The IRD programme undergoes constant 2. Supplemental dose of assistance review at the districVState and national lev- to those families assisted during els. There is also a process of Concurrent the Sixth Plan who have not been Evaluation through research and academic able to cross the poverty line for no institutions to provide feedback on pro- fault of their own. gramme performance. Based on these inputs the programme design undergoes regu- 3. For increasing the coverage of lar review and, if the need arises, necessary women beneficiaries a target of changes. 30% has been set. . [English) 4. Limit for security free loans under IRDP is agricu~ure and allied ac- SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Mr. tivities has been raised from Rs. Speaker, Sir, I want to know from the hon. 5000to Rs. 10,000. For industries, Deputy Prime Minister what had been the service and business sectors it is impact of the poverty alleviation programmes RS.25,000. in terms of rise in per capita income among the poor households during the Sixth and 5. A uniform application-cum-ap- Seventh Five-Year Plans. Also, I would like praisal form for IRDP loans has to know how many millions of families were 19 Oral Answers MARCH 29,1990 Oral AnSwelS 20 assisted during these plan periods. more assistance, but now undertheJRY, the tribal areas are getting much less assis- [ Translation] tance. Would the han. Minister consider giving them more assistance and correcting this MR. SPEAKER: A statement has been imbalance? attached with the Question No. 252. It is a written statement. [ Translation]

SHRI DEVI LAL: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the SHRIDEVILAL: Mr. Speaker, Sir, under Khusro Committee has been considered. I the programme assistance is given specially may say something in that respect. Various to Harijans and tribals. As I have mentioned schemes to assist the poor were placed earlier that if the landless people intend to before the Khusro Committee. Two-third and start a poultry farm etc. the Government one-third of the total provision of these provides subsidy for that also. Besides, schemes is given as subsidy and the interest assistance is also provided specially to the is charged at the rate of ten per cent only. women. Various other measures have also been proposed to assist the poor. Subsidies are [English] provided to the people for purchase of cows and poultry farms. It is a very successful SHAIMATI UMA GAJAPATHI RAJU: scheme. This scheme has been implemented Sir, I need your protection. The Minister is in 12 villages of Ludhiana district. One cow not answering my question. My question is and fifty hens have been given to each of the that under the RLEGP and the NREP, the beneficiary and one can lead a respectable tribal areas used to get much more assis- life with that much. tance but now under the JRY, they are getting much less assistance. I want an [English] answer from the hon. Minister whether he will consider giving them more assistance. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Sir, I want to know how many million families were [ Trans/ation1 assisted during these plan periods. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Member is [ Translation1 asking whetherthe assistance already being given in tribal areas, has been reduced now. SHRI DEVILAL: Mr. Speaker, Sir, in this regard, I would like to say that if the han. SHRf OEVI LAL: We propose to give Member wants to know the number of bene- them more assistance. Under this scheme, ficiaries, he has to give a separate notice for we give priority. particularly, to Harijan and that. At present, I can tell him that assistance tribals and women are placed at par with has been provided to about 333 lakh people them .... (Inte"uptions) .... underthis scheme. If the han. Member wants to know as to what sort of assistance was [English] given, he has to give ser;arate notice for that to enable me to collect and furnish all rele- MR. SPEAKER: You should be proud vant details. of the reply given by the Minister.

[English] [ Translation]

SHRIMATI UMA GAJAPATHI RAJU: SHRI DEVI LAL: I am mentioning here Sir, I would like to bring to the notice of the women particularly because it is said that I hon. Minister that under the RLEGP and the am against women. Earlier, coverage 10 NREP, the tribal areas used to get much women beneficiaries was 30 per cent which 21 Oral Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Oral AnsMHS 22 has now been raised to 40 per cent under which has now risen to As. 1250 crores in this programme. 1989-90.

[English] MR. SPEAKER: Next question.

SHRI SRIKANTA JENA: Mr. Speaker, [English] Sir, the basic question is regarding the evaluation of the I.R.D.P. May I know from the hon. U.S. State Department Spokesman Minister, taking the Sixth and Seventh Five Statement on Kashmir Year Plans, during which period the total assistance had been given through the IRDP, *253. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will the whether the Government has any proposal Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to evaluate the assistance given during the to state: past or whether any evaluation has been done during the past and whether the Gov- (a) whether U.S. State Department ernment is proposing to continue this pro- Spokesman has reportedly made a state- gramme in the 8th Plan? If they are going to ment asking the Indian Government to re- continue this programme, I want to know strain its security forces from using deadly whether any evaluation is going to be done force against unarmed people in Kashmir; and if any evaluation has been conducted, and please state the result of the evaluation. (b) if so, the reaction of Government [ Translation] thereto?

SHRI DEVI LAL: As I have said earher, THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- I am repeating It again that so far as the FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. scheduled castes and scheduled tnbes are concerned ..... (lnterruptions) .... (b) The Government has conveyed to the US Ambassador in New Delhi its concern MR. SPEAKER: The hon'ble Member about this obviously inaccurate statement. want's to know if you are reviewmg It. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, SHRI DE VI LAL: What I am stating is since this Government has taken charge, of that we do review but is to see to how can we course due to mismanagement, they coukJ assist them. convince nobody of their actions in Kashmir. The people in Kashmir whether they are SHRI RAM KRISHAN YADAV: Mr. Hindu~ or Muslims or even civil servants, are Speaker, Sir, the Government certainly gives not convinced of their actions. Sir, nobody is assistance to the rural poor, farmers and convinced of their actions in Kashmir, not workers but that does not reach them. There- even the Minister-in-Charge of Jammu and fore, I would like to ask the Government Kashmir, Shri George Fernandes. I think the whether it has started any special drive to only person who is convinced is Mr. Mufti ensure that assistance sanctioned for the Mohammad Sayeed, our Home Minister. poor reaches them? In the Congress re- That is about Kashmir. But internationally in gime, 15 paise out of rupee one reached the world capitals we were told that a high profile poor, so I would like to know whether the diplomatic initiative is being taken, our Government would start a drive to ensure Ambassadors were sent to various Capitals that the entire amount sanctioned for them and this Government is saying that our dip- reaches them. lomatic initiative was a success. But what is the position? Look at the statement of the SHRI oevi LAL: In 1980-81, assis- U.S. State Department spokesman. That tance of Rs. 250 crores was given as loan Statement shows that the well-trained, high 23 Oral Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Oral Answers 24 profile diplomatic initiative of this Govern- say that. There is something wrong some- ment was a failure. They could not convince where. the U.S. State Department or even other State capitals of our stand on Kashmir. I MR. SPEAKER: You come to the sec- would like to know whether this Government ond question. thinks that it is a diplomatic failure. Is it a diplomatic failure and if so, what action you ( Interruptions) take in this regard? PROF. P.J. KURIEN: He has not an- SHRI I.K GUJRAL: My han. friend swered it. h is not based on this statement, it need not do undue chest beating. The main is based on something else. 1have not asked point is that India's case has been well about Bush's reaction, I have asked about represented and well received and even the statement of the U.S. State Department President Bush has appreciated in his letter spokesman. That statement has condemned to the Prime Minister that we are on the right our action. My question is about that. So, he track. should answer on that.

MR. SPEAKER: Prof. Kurten, your MR. SPEAKER: You put the second second question. question.

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: What about the (Interruptions) Statement? (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I am regulating the MR. SPEAKER: You come to the sec- procedure. Please come to the second ond question. question.

PROF. P.J. KURtEN: Then what about ( Interruptions) the Statement of the State Department? ( Interruptions) PROF. P.J. KURlEN: I am sorry, he answered something else. MR. SPEAKER: You put your second question. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: This is how they are running the Government. PROF. P.J. KURlEN: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I seek your protection. This is the basic PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Yes. (interrup- question. tions)

MR. SPEAKER: You put your second Sir, the Kashmir Assembly was dis- question now. solved. The democratic process in the State has been put a stop to and yesterday there ( Interruptions) was a statement by the Minister that they are going to revive the Kashmir Assembly and MR. SPEAKER: He is clear in his reply they are going to allow to start the demo- to your question. cratic process.

( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: It is enough. Prof. Kurien, this is about. ... PROF. P.J. KURIEN: This question is about the Statement of the U.S. State De- PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Yes, $ir, about partment spokesman. If President Bush has Kashmir. You should know that this curtail- said like that, what about this statement, ing or stopping of the democratic functioning what is the Congress' reaction? He should in Kashmir has given a wrong perception of 25 Oral Answ91S t;HAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Oral AnswBIS 26 our policy on Kashmir in world capitals. It is ( Interruptions) a wrong perception. Therefore, since the Govemment has said that they are going to MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. revive the Assembfy and start the process, I I want to hear Mr. Kurien. would like to know by what time the Govern- ment is going to correct this wrong and also PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Sir, my only since the Government felt that dissolution of submission is thatthdMinistercan opt notto the Assembly was a wrong step, what action answer my question. I have no objection; does it take against the Governor who has that is his prerogative, but whether my ques- taken the unconstitutional and illegal action? tion is irrelevant or not, it is the Chair to deci<'e and not the Minister. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: It does not necessarily follow from the main question. MR. SPEAKER: My ruling is that the seoond question which was put by Mr. Kurien PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I think by now the does not necessarily follow the main ques- han. Member himself has realised that his tion. I think the Minister wanted to say that, question is irrelevant. as it does not follow the main question.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Hari Kishore Singh. (Interruptions)

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Why it is irrele- PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I am an elected vant? Sir, I seek your protaction. Member here. Let him withdraw that word.

MR. SPEAKER: I called Mr. Hari Kis· ( Interruptions) hareji. SHRI I.K. GUJRAL: Sir, what I had submitted, I think, was right. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have already given the ruling that it does not follow the main PROF. P.J. KURtEN: How IS my ques- question. tion irrelevant? How can you say that my question is irrelevant? (Interruptions) ( Interruptions)

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Sir, I seek your SHRI I.K. GWRAL: Sir, he can kindly protedDn. How can my question be irrele- see that record. I again quote: vant? (Interruptions) They have bungled in Kashmir .... (Interruptions) How is it irrele- "The han. Member himseH has real- vant? (Interruptions) ised that his question is not related to the main question" (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I have not permitted you Mr. Kuriqn. I have called Mr. Han Kis- SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH: Sir, I hare Singh. think, the Government should take notice of the reaction at the State Department, whether ( Interruptions)· it is from the spokesman or from the White House and should make suitab1e protest to MR. SPEAKER: It does not necessarily them. The diplomatic initiative taken by the foIowthe main question. "the M,inisterwants Government in regard to Kashmir issue has 10 say something, I have no objection; but I been a success and Pakistan stands iso- cannot compel the Minister. lated in the comity of nations. We are not to

6Not remrded. 27 Oral Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Oral Answers 28 seek certificate from any foreIgn Govern- before U.S. public opinion and U,S. Govern- ment whether super-power or sub-super ment In other words, would you make sure powers on the Kashmir Issue or any other that it is properly understood by them that issue. The House may agrA9 that we need Kashmir is an Integral and inviolable part of not be exercised over it India?

My submission is suitable reaction SHRII.K. GUJRAL: My hon. friend who should be conveyed and If necessary, openly. is a very learned and knowledgeable person Will the Government convey I~S definite and would know for himseH that lobby is function- firm reaction to the State Government of ing in the U.S. State system. Every society U.S.A. so that other GO\:~~!\rr,e:lts m3Y not that functions there tries to create lobbies follow the same? there. There are certain lobbies which are operating at the behest of Pakistan also. But SHRII.K. GUJRAL: As I said In reply to that does not mean that our case is going by the main question,' i~E.' Govern'T'8nt has default, conveyed to the U,S. Ambassador In New Delhi. New Delhi's concern about the obvI- One thing I must say that we are not ously inaccurate statement. After that. we placing our case In the court of anybody. We notIce that various State officers in various have our self -respect. I think, our case is well committees have tried to correct that Impres- taken and well placed. Even President Bush sion. in his letter to the Prime Minister has recognised that, SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: I fully supportthe view of my colleague. Prof. Kurien [ Translation] that the National Front Go'/ernmcrt has totally failed in plaCing the K;)::-,hmlr problem In SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: Mr. its true perspective before tile U.S. Govern- Speaker, Sir, keeping in view these statement and U.S. opinion-IT'Jkprs ThiS IS clearly ments and resolution, I would like to urge the eVident from the fact to Which the Minister's han. Minister and the Government to convey attention must have bee'l rjrElwn about the to the U.S. Government that we take these strongly worded report of ??"rl M~rrh from developments as unfriendly acts and inter- Washington. ference in our internal affairs. Such unfriendly acts should be stopped because they are not A very strongly wnrr,p(j n::>srilltion IS linked by the Indian people. Will the hon. propo~ed to be tablprl In the U.S S~ngt~ Minister try to t~1I them categorically? mirroring Pakistan's C.t~r"'(i ;J'1rj ~1j[1Mrting plebiscrt~ 'In Kashmir I C'Jnrf"lCO ;::l"~I"', thp. SHAll K GUJAAl: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I Govprnrnent would mprc>ly rllr;"rl'~c thiS ;:JS would li~e to :=!sc::ure my friend that the Gov- thpy term~d it earlier ;1<; nhV10llsiv In~ccu ernment is SPIL'p.d of the matter and we will r::tte opinion or InaCClJr>-ltr- ct~tprnon~ It is safeguard the Interests of the country with all bAc;:Hlse. thiS Governrrw nl Llnr,nr t~f.' Ql!l5e our might. of consensus 5eem5 to bp. rr10rp of Govern- ment of inaction than Govprr"lrnent of ;=tctlon. [English]

I would like to know c3t0gcric3ny what SHRf SAMARENDRA KUNDU: Mr. st~ps you propose to tnk'J to I'l'eet this antl- Speaker, Sir, I would like to know from the Indian move on the part of some of the U.S. han. Minister whether he has informed the Senators Involving the Tpmt0rJal Intngnty of U.S. Government of the recent pronounce- the nation. Do you pro po q:"! to hll'lrh ~ ment of the Pri""~ Minister of Pakista.n, that diplomatic offensive to ensure tt'l'1t the'5e they will aid Rs. 10 erores to the terrorists in sort of resolutions are not t;"1bled ~nd place Kashmir ""-~lso.that they will aid Rs. 5 the Ka~hmir problem in ornoPr pprC;rp.ctIVp. erores to t~tS..JA Occupied Kash,mir. 29 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 30

SHRII.K GUJRAL: We have given to affected areas. the concerned authorities full eVidence of Pakistan's interference In our Internal af- After assumption of office, the Govern- fairs. We· are also now bringing to the notice ment have started reviewing the position of of all Governments of the wNld the type of Extra Departmental Agents of different cate- utterances which have been made by re- gories. Preliminary discussions have also sponsible people in Pakistan. been held with Unions representing the Extra Departmental employees. The D~partment intends to discuss the matter further with the Ministry of Finance and Planning Commis- sion and thereafter to formulate appropriate WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS proposals In respect of Extra Departmental employees. [English] [ Translation] Savoor Committee Report Concession to Handicapped (Blind) "249. SHRIG.S. BASAVARAJ: Willthe Persons in Payment of Telephone Bills Ministerof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: "250. SHRI RAMLAL RAHI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased (a) whether Government have Imple- to state: mented the recommendations of the Savoor Committee in the respect of extra depart- (a) whether any rebate or relaxation of mental employees in post offices: time In payment of telephone bills is given to handicapped (blind) per~ (b) whether Government propose to grant vanous advances to extra departmen- (b) if so, the details thereof: tal employees at par with regular employees:and (c) whether any such proposal is under conSideration of Government; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (d) if so, the details thereof? THEMINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- :fIONS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (c). The Committee of EnqUIry on Extra TIONS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Departmental System (Savoor CommIttee) No, Sir. No rebate or relaxation 'of time for had made 171 recommendations out of which payment of telephone bills are given to 120 recommendations Including 32 with handicapped persons. certain modifications have been accept!1d and implemented. (b) In view of (a) above, question does not arise. Certarntypesof advances such as Cycle Advance of Rs. 400/- are admissible to cer- (c) No, Sir. However, some rebate in tain categories of Extra Departmental Agents. rental has been announced in the Parlia- Flood Advance of Rs. 100,'- IS also sanc- ment for institutions for handicapped per- tioned to Extra Department;)1 Agentc; In flood sons. 31 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 32

(d) With effect from 1.4.90, 25% con- (a) whether Government have evolved cession in rental will be admissible for not a package deal i; terms of the Assam Ac- exceeding two telephones (non-residential) cord for the betterment of that State; in institutions like homes for the aged, infirm, handicapped, deaf-dumb-mute persons, (b) if so, the details thereof; and orphanages, votuntary organisations fortribal welfare and other organisations recognised (c) the action taken so far to implement by the Government. the package deaf?

I hope the House will appreciate the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS various concessions the Department has (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) been giving to the handicapped persons, as to (c). No, Sir. However, the Government also employment oppOrtunities through have set up a Comm~tee under the Chair- opening PCOs, STD pay phones etc. in manship of Shri L.C. Jain, Member, Plan- pursuance of the general policy directions of ning Commission. to make proposals for the Government to help such categories of speedy economic development of Assam. persons suffering from physical disabilities. The Committee has not yet submitted its proposals. [English] rTranslation] Setting up of Regional Research Centre Declaration of Khajuraho-Allahabad *254. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the Road as National Highway Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: *256. SHRI RAM SAJIWAN: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be (a) whether Government propose to set pleased to state: up new Regional R~search Centres under the Indian Council of Agricultural Research (a) whether there is any proposal to (ICAR); and declare Khajuraho-Allahabad road via Ka- lingar, Chitrakoot, Rajapur as National High- (b) if so, their location and the estimated way in view of the inconvenience faced by expend~ure to be incurred on the establish- pilgrims and tourists; ment of each centre? (b) if so, the time by which thOe construc-, THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND tion plan and survey of the proposed Na- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI lional Highway is likely to be completed; and LAL): (a) No, Sir. (c) when the construction work is likely (b) Question does not arise. to be started?

Package Deal on Assam Accord THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- *255. SHRI UTTAM RATHOD: TIONS (SHRI K P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) SHRI KALP NATH RAI: No, Sir. There is no proposal to the effect presently~ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) and (c). 00 not ar\se. 33 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 34

[English] the Ninth Schedule of the Constitution;

Talks with Bangladesh on Chakma (b) whether any such Acts from Kerala Refugees are there in the proposal; and

257. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR (c) if so, the details thereof? MALHOTRA: Will the Minister of EXTER- NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (a) whether the Indian delegation led by LAL): (a) Yes, Sir. him to Bangl~desh recently had held talks with Bangladesh Government to resolve the (b) and (c). Government propose to long pending problems of Chakma refugees Include 55 land reforms Acts in the Ninth presently camping in Tnpura: Schedule of the Constitution and a Bill to amend the Constitution for the purpose is (b) if so, the outcome thereof: and likely to be Introduced during tl:le current session of Parliament. (c) what are the views of the people of . Tnpura in the matter and whether the same Out of 55 land reforms laws two laws have been kept in view rn his talks with pertain to the State of Kerala. Details of the Bangladesh? two laws are as under:

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- The Kerala Land Reforms (Amf!!1dment) FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAL): (a) and (b). A~r, 1978 Yes, Sir. We urged Bangladesh to create (Kerala Act. No. 13 of 1978) conditions to facilitate the re1urn of the Chakma refugees. The Bangladesh Gov- The Kerala Land Reforms (Amendment) ernment has agreed to send a delegation Act, 1981 from the Chittagong Hill Tracts to Visit the (Kerala Act. No. 19 of 1981) refugee camps in Tnpura shortly With a view to persuading the refugees to return. The 1978 Act provides forthe following:

(c) The Tnpura Government have (i) to empower the Taluk Land Board conveyed their concern at the continued to reopen the ceiling cases where: stay of the refugees and have called for an in the original order, the Taluk Land early repatriation of the refugees. ThiS was Board has determined .~hat the kept in view during the talks concerned persons were not liable to surrender any land, but later Inclusion of Land Reforms Laws in found that such persor$ were actu- Ninth Schedule of Constitution ally in possession of land in excess of the ceiling area; *258. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (ii) to include a provision in Section state: 103 of the parent Ac~ to enable Government to prefer revision peti- (a) whether there IS any proposal under tions before the High Court against Government consideratlol'tthat land reforms the-orders passed by the appellate laws of various States are to be incloded In authorities, the Taluk Land Boards 35 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 36

and the land Board. ment constantly monitor all development having a bearing on India's security and take The 1981 Act provides that cultivating necessary measures to safeguard it. tenants shall not be liable to pay any rent from 1.1.1970 for a holdmg or a part of Comprehensive Crop Insurance holding in respect of which an application for Scheme resumption has been relected. The tenants are made liable to pay basIc tax and other *260. SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA taxes for a holding or p~rt of holding In MURTHY: respect of which an application for resump- SHRI GANGA CHARAN tion has been rejected~ ThiS amendment LODHI: also provides to enhance the solaltlum payable under section 109 (A) of the Act from Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Rs. 500/- to Rs. 1500/- and compE'nsatlon pleased to state: payable to small holders from Rs. 2000 '- to As. 5000/-. The Act IS also Intended to con- (a) the progress made in the implemen- tinue the proceedings for slJrrender after the tatIon of the Comprehensive Crop Insurance death of the declarant. Scheme so far:

Supply of Nuclear Reactors to Pakistan (b) the area covered under the scheme, by China State-wise.

259. SHRI P.M. SAYEED. (c) whether Government propose to SHRI PRAKASH V PATIL: extend the coverage of area under the Scheme: and Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS be pleased to state (d) if so. the details thereof?

(a) whether hb attentIon has been THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND invited to the news-Item captioned "Pak to MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI get N-reador from China" appearing In the LAL): (a) The Comprehensive Crop Insur- 'Indian Express' dated 23 February. 1990: ance Scheme (GCIS) IS under implementation With effect from 1.4.1985. Upto the end (b) if so, whether the slJPply of nuclear of Kharif 1989. about 2371akh farmers have power reactors to Pakistan by China would been covered over an area of 427 lakh ha. create. a dangerous thre::lt to India. C1nd Insuring a sum of As. 5080.00 crore:

(c) if so, the re;:~. _ r'. of Government (b) A Statement is given below.. thereto and the steps being ta~e" or proposed to tackle the situation? (c) Under the cels the State Govern- ment are free to notify any area under the THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- scheme during a season provided they have FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes. SIr. the yie\d data 1m \ast 5 years as a\so the capacity to conduct required number of crop (b) and (e). Our apprehensions regard- cutting experiments for various insured crops, in 1the weapons orientation and clandestine at the end of every season. nature of PakIstan's nuclear programme have been conveyed to all concerned. Govern- (d) Does not arise. 37 Wntten Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 38

STATEMENT

Area Covered under the ComprehensIve Crop Insurance Scheme (CCIS) from KharH, 1985 to Khdnf, 1989

51 No Name of StatelU T Area Covered (m ha)

2 3

Andhra Pradesh 7701008

2 Assam 59124

3 Bihar 2129101

4 Goa 6571

5 GUJarat 6339355

6 Himachal Pradesh 19733

7 Jammu & Kashmir 77358

8 Karnataka 1275757

9 Kerala 243151

10 Manlpur 4759

11 Meghalaya 12334

12 Madhya Pradesh 5327073

13 Maharashtra 7955230

14 Orissa 1814938

15 Rajasthan 1544600

16 Tnpura 18109

17 Tam,1 Nadu 93'279

18 Uttar Pradec;h 5268928

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20. A. & N. Islands 3548

21. Delhi 1359

22. Pondicherry 6357

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Equipment for Electronic Exchange at would have served 220 subscribers (57%). Shlrivardhan in Raigad District (c) Electronic Exchange equipment has *261. SHRI A.R. ANTULAY: Will the been allotted for Shrivardhan for the year Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 1990-91. to state: (d) Question does not arise in view of (c) (a) whether the electronic exchange above. equipment landed in Shrivardhan in Raigad District, Maharashtra, was sent back to some [ Translation] other place on the instruction from the Dis- trict Headquarters of the Telephone Depart- Increase In Subscription Rates of ment; Telephones

(b) if so, the reason therefor; *262. SHRI GULAS CHAND KATARIA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) whether the equipment is to be pleased to state: installed at Shrivardhan; and (a) the number of times subscription (d) ;f not, the reasons therefor? rates of telephones were increased during 1985 and 1990 so far ano the extent of such THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- increase each time; PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) (b) the details of any special benefits Electronic Exchange equipment allotted for provided to telephone subsaibers and Shrivardhan in Raigad District was diverted employees after increase of these rates; and to Thai in the same district of Maharashtra Telecom Circle where it is under commis- (c) the schemes taken up for making sioning. Diversion was done by the Mahar- telephone service more efficient? ashtra Telecom. Circle. THE MINISTER OF sUPFACE TRANS- (b) By this diversion, the 500 line Elec- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- tronic Exchange would serve 284 subscrib· TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (8) ers (74%) in Thai, whereas at Shrivardhan it During the period 1985 to March 1990 the 41 Wh1Ien AnsII8IS CHAI1RA 8" 1912 (SAKA) MiIIn AnsII8IS 42 rental (!he ....ipIioo rates) have been en also used to impnMt R_ & 0 aIIorIs increased twice" once willi aIfect fmm m.ards selll8lia1a "l8la com aquipnaC . 1.4.1988 and again from lA.90. The cal on which GovemrneIC lays mnsidarabIa ctages were revised 1hrice, from 1.12.86. .'V· 1.4.88 tnl1.4.90. The changes made born 1.4.90 also includes some raductiDns. The detaIs are given in Ihe Statement bebIr. The increase in rental w.e.f. 1.4.88 was introduced after a gap of six years.

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[Englishl in various States as per the latest figures available; Shifting ot Post Offices Under Calicut Division (b) the nationality of those missionaries; *263. SHRI K. MURALEEDHARAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) the number of foreign missionaries pleased to state: who have been served notice to leave the country; and (a) whether some of the post offices in Ca!icut Division are located in dilapidated (d) the reasons therefor and follow up buildings posing threat to the lives of the action taken thereon? persons working there; THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, whether there is any proposal (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEEO): (a) to shift these post offices: to (d). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (c) if so, the details thereof; and Colouring of Fertilizers (d) the time by which these post offices are proposed to be shifted? *265. SHRI K.S. RAO: SHRIYASHWANTRAOPATL:

THE MINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- pleased to state: TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to (d). Two post offices, namely Meenangadi (a) whether the feasibility of colouring Post Office and Pu!pa"i Post Office in Calicut fertilizers to give them specific identity is Division are located in rented i:wildings which being examined: are dilapjjated. However, there is no threat to the lives of the persons working there. The (b) if so. the objectives behind the landlords have been requested to carry out proposal; essential repairs. Efforts were made to secure suitable alternative rented buildings but (c) the steps contemplated in this re- the Department did not succeed. Depart- gard: mental plots of land are available for construction of buildings for these two post of- (d) whether colouring offertilizers would. fices. Both these projects are Included in the increase the cost of production of the fertiliz- programme for construction of buildings ers; and during 1990-91. (e) if so. whether Government propose Foreign Missionaries in India to bear the additional cost in the shape of enhanced subsidy? *264. SHRI YADVENDRA DAIT: Will • the Minister of HOME AFF AIRS be pleased THE DEPUlY PRIME MINISTER AND to ;:;tate: MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI lAl): (a) to (e). The possiJility of colouring (a) the number of foreign missionaries fertilizers such as SSP and OAP to avoid 51 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 52 their misuse through misbranding is being Infiltration of Afghan Youths In Kashmir examined, as it involves additional costs by way of equipment for handling, coating and *267. SHRIJANARDHANA POOJARY: colouring matenal etc. and resultant higher W,ll the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be subsidy burden. pleased to state:

Assistance to Bhagalpur Riot Victims (a) whether Government are aware that Afghan youths have infiltrated in-Kashmir to "'266. SHRI MANORANJAN Indulge in subversive activities; and BHAKTA: SHRIMATI SUBHASHINi All (b) if so, the details thereof and the step taken to check such infiltration? Will the MInister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) (a) whether Union Governms'lt have The Government have no specific evidence provided any assistance to Bhagalpur not so far that Afghan youths have infiltrated In victims: and Kashmir to indulge in subversive activities.

(b) if so. the details thereof? (b) Some of the steps taken are: larger induction of Central Police Forces; revamp- Ing of administration: improvement in the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS functioning of Police Stations; better co- (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) ordination between the State Police/Central and (b). The Central Government has been Police and the Army; preventive action to In contact with the State Government to apprehend criminals and anti-social ele- ensure speedy relle1 measures to the not ments; and raids and combing operations on victims. Both the Prime MInister and the selective basis, if and when necessary; and Home Minister have vIsited Bhagalpur strengthening of vigil on the border

An amount of Rs. 1.00 crare has been Shrimp Fishing sanctioned from ·rp Pnme Mmtc::ter's lle(\,,;{ Fund for the Bhagalpur riot victims. Out of *268. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- this amount, a surr. of Rs 50.00 lakhs has CHANDRAN: Will the Ministerof AGRICUL- been earmarked for the families of those TURE be pleased to state: killed In the nots at the rate of Rs. 10 000 '- each. This amount IS over and above the ex- (a) the annual shrimp catch in the gratia rehef of Rs. 1.00 lakh each being paid country during the last three years; by the State Government An amount of Rs. 1.500/- per hand loom weaver and Rs. 5,0001 (b) whether research and development - per powerloom weaver as grant for pur- In fish culture IS proposed to be further ex- ch;1c:e of raw-matertals IS being provided to panded in Kerala: and the affected weavers. A sum of Rs. 27.50 \akhs has been earmarKed 'or this purpose. (c) if so, the details thereof? The remaining sum of Rs. 22.50 lakhs has been earmarked for extending hostel facili- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND ties for the students by adding one floor on MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI the existing hostel building. LAL): (a) to (c). The annual shrimp catch in 53 Writteo.Answ8rs CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

India during the last three years has been as Jews in occupied territories in Israel; under: (b) if so, the outcome of the talks held; Year Quantity and (Lakh tonnes) (c) the reaction of Government in re- 1986 2.15 gard thereto?

1987 1.93 THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRI 1.K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. A 1988 2.24 delegation of the Arab Heads of Mission met me on March 1, 1990 to discuss develop- The Central Marine Fisheries Research ments relating to the proposed settlement of Institute (CMFRI) CochlO and Narakkal Soviet Jews in the occupied territories. Centre of Central Institute of Brackishwater Aquaculture (elBA) have stepped up re- (b) and (c). I conveyed to them that search on seafarming/manculture and shrimp IndIa shared the concern of the Palestinians aquaculture. and the Arab countries in this matter. I reiter- ated India's well known position on the ille- To support shrimp farmmg In Kerala. a gality of occupation of these territories by shrimp hatchery has been established at Israel and that such settlements would only Mopla Bay. Government is providing techni- compound the illegality. I also stated that cal assistance to the farmers for scientifIc such settlements would raise additional dif- shrimplfish farming. Under the Integrated ficulties in the creation of conditions neces- Brackishwater Fish Farm Development. tour sary for initiating the negotiating process for farm projects covering as area of 149 ha. a peaceful settlement of Palestinian issue. have been sanctioned. One Bracklshwater Fish Farmers' Development Agencies Setting up of Potato Board (FFDAs) have been sanctioned. In addition, a project on integrated development ot prawn 2622. SHRI JAGDISH SINGH KUSH- farming in Kerala with Kuwa!t Fund tor Arab WAHA: wm the Minister of AGRICULTURE Economic Development has been initiated be pleased to state: at a cost of Rs. 60.00 crores for development of about 1500 ha. of bracklshwater area in (a) whether Government propose to set the State. up a Potato Board like the Tea Board keep- Ing in view the increa~ng demand of pota- [ Translation] toes abroad; and

Settlement of Soviet Jews in Occupied (b) if so, whether Government also Territories in Israel propose to set up regional offices of the proposed Potato Board in Uttar Pradesh? 2621. SHRI HARSH VARDHAN: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRlME M'NlSTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (a) whether the Heads of Missions of LAL): (a) No, Sir. Arab countries had held talks wrth him on the question of setting of large number of Soviet (b) The question does not arise. 55 Wriften Answe.s MARCH 29, 1990

[Engish) .nent for relaxation 0I1he aforesaid condi- tioo; and n:.ease in Switching Production Capacity (c) if so, the reaction 01 Union Govern- ment thereto? 2623. SHRIC.P. MUDALAGIRIYAPPA: Wi. the Minister of COMMUNICATkJNS be THE OEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND pleased to stale: MlNlSlEROF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEV. LAl): (a) to (c). Exploitation of Ground (a) whether the Telecommunications Walertormaking drinking water available for department plans to increase the present cattle is not aIowed under the Desert Devel- switching eq~ production capacity: opment Programme (COP). For m-eeting the and drinking water needs of both human and callie population. the CentraRy Sponsored (b) j so, the details of the increase in the Aa:e!eratedRuraJWaler~Programme total number of lines proposed in the country is in operation under which 5% of the annual every year? plan allocation is eannarked for areas suffering from chronic shortage of water supply THE MIN ISlER OF SURFACE TRANS- due to extreme hot and cold eco-systems. PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- The areas oovered under DDP fall in this 1DNS (SHP.I KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) cal8QOIY. Yes. Sir. The proposal of the Stale Government (b) (i) Productior Capacity tor small for relaxation of the guidelines has not been capacity switching systems accepted as they have been advised to seek (less than 2000 lines capacity) additional assistance. i necessary. for sup- IS proposed to be increased by ply of drinking water under the Accelerated 400.000 lines per annum. Rural Waler ~ Programme (ARWSP). Central assistance of As. 32.80 lakhs has (ii) Regarding large switching been released in January. 1990 to Rajast- systems, the details of increase han Government under ARWSP to enable in production capacity are yet the State Government to complete ongoing to be finalised. works in OOP areas. Besides under DOP. schemes for mnservation and storage of Provision of Drinking Water for Cattle ram water are taken up which also provide Under Desert Development Programme drinking water to caII!e besides serving the objective of ecological restoration. 2624. CH. JAGDEEP OHANKHAR: WiI the Minister of AGRICULTURE be [TransIabOn) pleased to state: P_C.O_ in Mil ViIage in Jahanabad (a) whether the exploitation of ground DIstrict In Bihar water source for making drinking water available for cattle is not aIowed under the 2625. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD Desert Development Programme: ~ SINGH: WiI the Minister of COMMUNICA- TIONS be pleased 10 stale: (b) i so. whether Government of Ra- jasthan has requested the Union Govern- (a) whether Government have framed 57 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 58 any policy to provide public call office in the lation Programme: post offices of some backward areas in Bihar State during the current financial year; (d) if so, the salient features thereof;

(b) if so, the details in this regard: (e) the steps being taken to train the Enumerators and other staff charged with (c) whether Government are aware that the Census operations in this behalf; and P.C.Os. installed in Arhit village in Jahana- bad are out of order: and (f) the assistance, financial and other, proposed to be rendered to various States (d) if so, the action being taken by and Union Territories in conducting the 1991 Government in this regard? Census?

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir. (b) to (d). Certain improvements have (b) (i) Where popu latlon IS more 2500 been made in the 1991 Census Schedules in one PCO is being opened consultation with data users and on the basis preferably In post offices. of recommendations of the Advisory Com- mittee and field tests. In the 1991 Census, all (ii) MARR Scheme and srngle the Schedules will be canvassed on univer- channel VHF system have also sal basis and some basic data will be brought been planned to open number out early in a more detailed manner at vil- of LDPTs in 8th Plan. lage/ward level. Certain improvements are being made in respect of sampling to be (c) and (d). The PCO In Arhit village In adopted in tabulation. Proposals are under Jahanab,ad IS working alright. consideration to disseminate data through magnetic media on a bigger scale in the [English] 1991 Census than in the past. Several improvements are also contemplated in the Preparatory Work on 1991 Census preparation of tables and their presentation. It is also proposed to bring out the resutts ot 2626. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: the 1991 Census in a phased manner start- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ing with the publication of provisional figures pleased to state: In March 1991 itself and completing the release of all the tables by the end of 1995. (a) whether preparatory work has been started on the 1991 Census; (e) The Directors of Census Operations appointed for the 1991 Census in States! (b) if so, the broad features of the new Union Territories have already been trained programme. if any, being Introduced in this in the Headquarters for both houselisting in Census: 1990 and the main Census in 1991. They in turn are training other officers of the respec- (c) whether any Innovation has heen or tive directorates, the Dis~ Census Offi- is being made in the method of dissemina- cers, Charge Officers etc. The eAumerators tion of the Census data'co"ected and Tabu- and supervisors are being appointed and 59 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Ans_1S &0 trained by Charge Officers. Instructions to i) Solar heat treatment enumerators are also being brought out in regional languages for training purposes. In hot summer months of May and The entire work of census in each statel June, the seed is soaked in water for union territory is being coordinat~d by the 4 hours in the morning from 8 AM to respective census directorates. 12 noon and then spread in thin layer in the Sun. This practice kills the fungus in the seed and resultant crop (f) For the enumeratIon and supervi- is free from the disease. sory staff to be provided by the State Gov- emments and Union Territory Administra- ii) Chemical control tions for the 1991 Census Operations. suitable honorarium for conducting the field work Before sowing the seed is treated and admissible T AIDA for attending training with fungicides like carboxin and classes are proposed to be paid. Clerical carbandazim @ 2.5 gms. per kg. of assistance is also being gIven on the same seed to get disease free crop. scale and pattern of the 1981 Census. Nec- essary stationary items will be provIded and iii) Roguing POL charges for vehicles utilised during the field work will also be reimbursed. The diseased plants produce smut- ted ear-heads earliert~an the healthy Wheat affected by Fungus ones and are therefore clipped off by covering the ears with paper or plas- 2627. SHRI BHAGEY GOBARDHAN: tic envelop. These are destroyed by Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be burning or by burying in the soil or by pleased to state: dipping in kerosene oil. This procedure helps in obtaining disease-free (8) whether the Wheat Project Director- seeds. ate 01 Indian Council of Agricultural Re- search hasdevetoped any technique/method (c) The average damage is estimated to to save the wheat from the disease caused be in the range of 1 to 3%. by a fungus because of which the grain turns Into black causing heavy loss of foodgrain Crop In$urance Scheme every year: 2628. SHRI BHAKTA CHARAN DAS: (b) if so, the details of the said technique Witl the Minister of AGRICULTURE be developed by ICAR: and pleased to state:

(c) the approximate quantity of wheat (a) the names of the crops in different destroyed by this disease every year? States which have been covered under the comprehensive Crop Insurance Scheme so far, State-wise; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (b) whether there is a need to extend lAL): (a) Yes. Sir. Crop Insurance Scheme to ail the crops in different States: and (b) Details of techniques are as fol- Iows:- (c) if so. the steps proposed to be taken 61 Written AnSMHS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) by the Govemment in that regard? making requests for coverage of other aops under the Scheme, but in view of the high THE DEPUTY PRI~E MINISTER AND claims being received so far. some more MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI experience is necessary with the crops al- LAl): (a) A Statewise statement showing ready being covered. the names of the crops covered under the Comprehensive em!) Insurance Scheme, is (c) Government is, on the request of given below. State Governments, examiningJhe feasbil- ity of covering Cotton and SUiJarcane crops (b) State Governments have been under the CCIS. 63 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 64

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Foodgralna received from United distributed in Orissa during the same period; Nations under World Food Programme (c) whether a part of such items re- 2629. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: ceived were utilised elsewhere; and SHRI BHAJAMAN BEHERA: (d) if so, the details thereof and the Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be reasons therefor? pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (a) the quantity of foodgrains/edible oils MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI OEVI received from the United Nations under the LAL): (a) and (b). The quantity of Rice, World Food Programme for distribution in Wheat, Vegetable Oil and Pulses received Orissa; for distribution and actually distributed in Orissa till31 st December, 1989 underWorld (b) the quantity of these items actually Food Programme are as follows:-

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(c) No item was used elsewhere. nections released for installation on the recommendations of Members of Parliament (d) Question does not anse. during the last 12 months?

Telephone connections provided on the Recommendations of M.Ps. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 2630. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Yes, Sir. Recommendations of Members of pleased to state: Parliament. for provision of telephone connections are given due consideration. (a) whether priority is given providing telephone connections on the recommendations of Members of Parliament; and (b) The required information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the (b) if so, the number of telephone con- House. 71 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 72 Coconut Plantation during Eighth Plan there was increased availability of mik in Kerala during the flush period 1989 when 2631. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA Kerala Cooperative Milk Marketing Federa- NARASIMHA RAJA WADIYAR: Will the tion (KCMMF) faced certain problems in Minister of AGRICUlTURE be pleased to handling milk due to the absence of mik state: drying facilities. At the request of KCMMF, it has, now been decided by the National Dairy (a) whether Government propose to Development Board to set up a 10 MT ca- bring more areas in the country under coco- pacity milk drying plant at Alleppey. mt 'lIantation in the Eighth Plan; and Repair and Maintenance of Ichhapu- (b) if so, the total hectares of additional ram-Palasa Section of National land in Karnataka propos"9d to be brought Highway No.5 und_coconut plantation during that period? 2633. SHRIGOPI NATHGAJAPATHI: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI be pleased to state: LAl): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether the condition of Ichhapu- (b) The Coconut Development Board ram-Palasa section of National Highway No. proposes to bring an additional area of 6,000 S has deteriorated and needs urgent and hectares under new planting of coconut in proper maintenance; and Kamataka during the plan period. (b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to Production of Milk in Kerala be taken for its repair and maintenance?

2632. SHRI MUllAPPAll Y RAMA- THE MINISTEA OF SURFACE TRANS- CHANDRAN: WUlthe Ministerof AGRICUL- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TURE be pleased to state: TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) aod (b). A sum of As. 50 lakhs has been (a) the total milk production in Kerala released to the State Government of Andhra during 1989; Pradesh for immediate repair of flood dam- ages on various National Highways includ- (b) whether any reports have been ing Ichhapuram-Palasa Section of NH-S. received from Kerala regarding problems The condition of this Section is now traffic- faced fn marketing of milk due to excessive worthy. production; and [ Translation] (c) if so, the details thereof and the reaction of Union Government thereto? Consumption, Production and Import of Pulses and Edible Oils THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI 2634. SHRI KESHRI LAl: Will the LAl): (a) Estimated milk production in Ker- Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to ala was 1.5 mimon tonnes during 1988- state: 1989. (a) the average annual consumption of (b) and (c). Government is aware that pulses and edible oils; 73 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

(b) the total quantity of pulses and LAL): (a) It is diffICult to make precise esti- edible oils produced Indigenously and the mates of total actual consumption of pulses quantity thereof Imported to meet the de- and edible oils In the absence of data regard- mand: Ing stocks In possession of traders and producers (c) the steps taken so far to achieve self-reliance in pulses and edible oils. and (b) A statement-I IS given below. (d) the time by which the country IS likely to become self-reliant In this field? (c) and (d). The details relating to the Government strategy for achieving self-reli- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND ance in pulses and edible oils are given in the MINISTER OF AGRICUL TUAE (SHAI DEVI Statement-II below 75 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 78

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Iii) Inter-cr0pplngof pulses likeamar vi) Setting up of necessary proc- with crops "ke '5oyabean. balra, essing and infrastructural facili- cotton. sugarcane and ground- ties to keep pace with the pro- nut under both Irrigated and umr- duction programme of oilseeds. ngated conditions vii) SettIng up of Technology Mis- IV) Increased adoption of Inputs like SIOn on Oilseeds Production. Improved seeds, plant protection measures, phosphatIC fertil- As a short term measure Government Isers and rhizob,um culture has had to resort to import of edible oils as a supplemental step. The above strategy to Increas~ domestic production of pulses IS supported by two [English] programme I.e. (a) the Centrally Sponsored National Pulses Development Programme (N.P.D.P.) and (b) the Central Sector Pro- Abolition of Sales Tax In Delhi gramme under the Special Foodgralns Pro- duction Programme (S.F.P.P.). 2635. SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to II. Strategy relating to edible oils: state:

;) Implementation of the National (a) whether there is any proposal under Oilseeds Development Project, consideration of Government for the aboli- besides, an Oilseeds Produdion tion of Sales Tax in Delhi; and 79 Wrilfen AnstWHS MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnSwelS 80 (b) if so, the details thereof including the (b) if so, the details thereof? date from which it is likely to be given effect to? THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRt MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Yes, Sir. (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) No, Sir. (b) According to information available (b) Does not arise. the BSF and the local police, a\:ting on specific information conducted a joint raid Motorable Road Tripura Bangladesh and recovered large quar,tity of arms and Border "'rnmunitlon includmg AK-47/AK-47 rifles, rockets. and rocket launchers, explosives 2636. SHRI MANIK SANYAL Will the a'1c detonators and publicity material for Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to Khahstan from a field near BSF post Bijnore state the details ot steps taken to eXf,:edlte In village 92 GB Ganganagar district of Ra- construction of the motorab!e road along the jasthan on 9.3.1990. A case No. 72/90 dated Tripura-Bangladesh border adjaCent toChrt- 9.3.1990 under section 3, 4, 5 of the Terror- tagong and the observatIOn tower near that Ists and Disruptive ActivitIes (Prevention) border? Act, and 25 Arms Act has been registered at PS Anupgarh In this regard. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SA YEED): The [ Translation1 study grGup had recommended constructIon of 320 kms. of road along Indo-Bangladesh Views of islamic Countrie. on india'. border in Tripura sector under Phase-I. Road Policy on Kashmir measuring 1Okms. in West Tripuradistrict IS under construction. Survey tor construction 2639. SHRI PYARELAL KHANDEL- of 76 kms. of road in South-Tnpura district WAL: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- has been completed. The remaining stretch FAIRS be pk!ased to state: of the road is being identified in consultatIon with the State Government. (a) whether some Islamic countries do not agree with India's poticy on Kashmir; and 79 observation towers are in operation and 31 are under construction. (b) if so, the steps taken by Govemment to project her policy in clear and unequivocal Cache of Sophisticated Arms In Rajast- terms to these countries? han

2638. SHRt RAJAMOHANA REDDY: THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAl AF- Witt the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAL): (a) and (b). pleased to state: Government have apprised the world community, including a large number of Islamic (a) whether a huge cache of sophisti- Countries, about Pakistan's interference in cated arms, hidden by Khallstanl terrorists our internal affairs and its support to subver- has been found in Rajasthan near Paki- sion and terrorism in Jammu & Kashmir, stan's border recently as reported in the Broadly speaking, the response has been Times of India dated 10 March, 1990: and positive and helpful. 81 Written Answers CHAIlRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Witten AnswetS 82 [English] post offices in Madhubani and Darbhanga districts including Chahuta? Freedom Fighter Status to Malabar Special Police Constables Dismissed THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- during British Period PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) 2640. SHRI A. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: There are demands for upgradatlon in re- Will the MInister of HOME AFFAIRS be spect of Sisfi and Simri but not Saraha. pleased to state (b) The proposals are being examined (a) whether Kerala Government has by Chief Post-master General. Bihar Circle. sent any proposal for consldenng the dismissed Malabar Special Police constables (c) and (d). Information is being col- dunng the Bntlsh penod as freedom fighters: lected and Will be laid on the Table of the and House.

(b) If so, the decIsion taken thereon? (e) At present there are no proposals for opening of new post offices in Madhubani THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS and Darbhanga districts. (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) and (b). A proposal In thiS regard from the Cultivation of Betel Leaves Gover'1ment of Kerala was consldpred a'1d It was deCided not to recognise the Malabar 2642 SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: Special Police Stnke as part of National Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Freedom Struggle for the purpose of grating pleased to state the steps taken or proposed freedom fighters' pension to be taken for the development of Betel leaves cultivation? Opening of Post Offices in Madhubani and Darbhanga Districts THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI 2641 SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Will LAL): There IS no Central/Centrally Spon- the MInister of COMMUN'C.~TIONS be sored Scheme for the development of betel pleased to state leaves cultivation. However. various steps such as laYing out of demonstration of impor- (a) whether there are longstanding tant agro-technlques. Improvement of demands for the upgradatlOn of the Branch germplasm for supply of good planting mate- Post Offices In 81Sfl. 8araha and SImn: nal. supply of Inputs at subSidised rates etc. have been taken up for development of betel (b) if so. the steps taken to upgrade the vine cultivatIOn. same: [ Trans/ation] (c) whether Government propose to tie Bisfl and adJOining B.P.Os to Madhubanl: Telephone Connections in Madhya Pradesh (d) If so. the action taken to connect them to MadhubanJ: and 2643. SHRI SA TYNARAYAN JA nVA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (e) the proposed list for openmg of new pleased to state: 83 Written AnsW91S MARCH 29. 1990 Written Ans...,. 84

(a) the number of telephone users and THE MINtsTER OF SURFACE TRANS- the number of persons on the waiting list till PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- February, 1990 in each Divisional Head- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to quarters in Madhya Pradesh; (c). The statements I. II and III respectively are given below. (b) the details of the steps being taken, division-wise to Increase the exchange- capacity for providIng telephone connec- (d) Continuous monitoring of the tele- tions to a" the persons on the waitIng list; phone systems and replacement of un- servICeable eqUlpments both in the internal (c) the year-wise performance of tele- and external plant are being taken to in- phone exchange set up DIVisional Head- crease the effiCiency. It is also proposed to quarters for the last three years: and replace the eXisting Penta Conta TAX at Indore with an electronic TAX during 1990- (d) the steps being taken to Increase 91 to improve the performance of the SID the efficiency of telephone exchanges? from these exchanges.

STATEMENT-I

Details of the working connections and waIting list as on 28.2.90 In the exchanges of diVISIonal headquarters In Madhya Pradesh are as below:-

51. No. D,VISional Headquarters Working ConnectIons Waiting List

2 3 4

1. Bhopal 18622 2886

2. Indore 24941 26014

3. UJJatn 4249 2437

4. Hoshangabad 379 200

5. Jabalpur 9529 6255

6. Sagar 1886 884

7. Gwahor 9909 4592

8. Morena 838 135

9. Ratpur 6568 8273

10. Bilaspur 4524 299

11. Rewa 1141 441

12. Jagdalpur 749 222 85 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSMn 86

STATEMENT-.

Tentative New Expansion Programme for Telephone Exchanges at Divisional Headquar- ters in Madhya Pradesh during 8th Plan 1990-95 subject to approval of the plan and timely availability of equipment

51. No. Divisional Headquarters Allotment of SW. Capacity during 8th plan

2 3

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2. Indore 54000

3. UJjaln 4900

4. Hoshangabad 600

5. Jabalpur 9000

6. Sagar 3000

7. Gwalior 9000

8. Morena 1500

9. Ralpur 9000

10. Bllaspur 5000

11. Rewa 2000

12. Jagdalpur 1500 87 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answ91S 88

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2646. SHRI D. AMAT: Will the Minister 2648. SHRIMATIJ.JAMUNA: Willthe of SURFAC~ TRANSPORT be pleased to Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: state:

(a) the decision taken In regard to future (a) whether there is any proposal to set set up of Indian Road Construction Corpora- up a Horticutture Board in Andhra Pradesh; tion; and

(b) whether Government have exam- (b) if so, the details thereof? ined the question of the fate of its employees In case it is deCided to wind up the Corpora- tion: and THE DEPUTY PRiME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRJCUL lURE (SHRJ DEVI (c) if so, the decIsion taken in this LAL): (a) No, S,r. regard? (b) Does oot arise. THE MIN ISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Bus Route Permits Issued in Punjab TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and (b). The question of Winding up the 2649. SHRI SUCHA SINGH: Will the Corporation is not under the consideration of Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be the Ministry. pleased to state:

(c) Does not anse. (a) the total number of Route Permits for buses and Mini buses including private Opening of New Post Offices in Goa buses issued in Punjab, during 1987-88, 1988-89 and 1989-90; 2647. PROF. GOPALRAOMAYEKAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b) the number of such permits out of pleased to state: them issued to Scheduled Castes;

(a) the number of new post offices (c) whether any complaints have been wnich are proposed to be opened In Goa received about issuance of benami permits State during the curreni year: and for private transport companies and high officials; and (b) how many of them will be opened in Pedne and Sattari Talukas? (d) if so, the action taken by Govern- ment thereon? THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- and (b). There are at present two proposals PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- for opening of new Post Offices in Goa but TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to not in Pedne and Sattari Talukas. The pro- (d). Information is being collected from the posed post offices are at Bombolim Com- Government of Punjab and will be-Ulid on the plex and Bicholim Industrial Estate. table of the House. 1 19 Written Answers MARCH 29.1990 Written Answers 120

Conatructlon of Underground Tank and up Electronic Exchanges in Mandideep and Booster Pumping Station for P& T Obedullahganj town of Raisen district and Quarters Basoda town of Vidisha of Madhya Pradesh; and 2650. SHAI BHAJAMAN BEHERA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b) if so, the time by which this scheme pleased to refer to the repfy given on 29 is likely to be completed? March. 1989 to Unstarred Question No. 3764 rFl'~arding inadequate water supply in R. K. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Puram and state the details of the project of PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- the proposal of construction of underground TIONS (SHAI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) It Pumping Station in th~t area alongwith the IS planned to provide electronic exchange at cost and time frame? Mandideep, Obedullahganj in Raisen Dis- trict and Ganjb~da town in Vidisa District THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- M.P. As per record there is r.o station as PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Basoda town in Vidisa District. TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKAISHNAN): Water Supply in the P& T Colony Sector VI, R.K. (b) It is planned to commission elec- Puram is controlled by M.C.D. M.C.D. had tronic exchanges at Mandideep by June. suggested construction Of an underground 1990, Obedullahaganj during 1991-92 and water tank, a booster pumping station and a at Ganjbasoda by March, 91. dedicated pipe line from the existing Booster Pumping Station in Sector VII to the said new [Eng/ish} underground water tank to be constructed by the Telecom. Department subject to the Murder and Kidnapping cases In Deihl condition that additional water will be released only on the augmentation of the Trunk 2652. SHRI HET RAM: Will the Minis- water supply system. The cost of under- ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: ground water Tank and pipe line was anticipated at Rs. 15.8 lakhs and cost of booster (a) the number of murder and kidnap- water pump As. 6.Slakhs. The time frame for ping cases reported in Delhi during the last completion of project is expected to be around three years: a year. Since there IS no assurar"ce of increasing water supply M.C.D., the project (b) the number of cases solved by Delhi has not been taken up In hand as yet. police;

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2651. SHAI AAGHAVJI: Will the Min- (d) the steps taken by Government ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to solve the remaining cases? state: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (a) whether there is any scheme to set (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) 121 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

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(b) 683 cases of murder and 669 cases the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be of kidnapping have been worked out during pleased to state the frequency distribution this period. by draft of visiting ships in major ports during (c) 27 police officers have been pro- the years 1947, 1950, 1960, 1970, 1980. moted out of turn and 513 officers/men of 1986-87, 1987-88 and 1988-89 port-wise? Delhi Police have been given awards/commendations during the years 1987, 1988, 1989 and 1990 (upto 28.2.90) (d) Assistance from Crime Record Of- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- fice, motivation of residents and gathering PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- and developing the information from sources TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): The are some of the measures. Information required relates to a period covering a span of more than forty years. All Frequency Distribution of Ships in ports have not recorded or maintained this Major Ports Information for all these relevant years. The information as available with the ports is 2653. DR. BIPlAB DASGUPTA: Will given in the statement below. 123 Wfltten Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AM_IS 124

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Waiting List for Telephone Connections of reservation for women would be deter- In Hassan City mined at different level of the local bodies?

2654. SHRI H.C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHAI DEVI pleased to state: LAL): (a) to (c). The matter is under oonsid- eration of the Government. (a) the number of applications of telephone oonnections pending in Hassan; Pakistan'S Plan to Manufacture Fighter Planes (b) the number of new lines to be added during this year; and 2656. SHAI D .M. PUTTE GOWDA: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (c) the time by which the waiting list v'ili pleased to state: be cleared? (a) whether the attention of Govern- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- ment has been drawn to the news item PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- captIoned "Pak plan to manufacture fighter TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) pl2nes" appearing in the "Hindustan Times· No. of applications for telephone connec- dated 2 March, 1990; tions pending is 342. (b) if so, the reaction of Government (b) The number of new lines likeJy to be thereto; and added during 1990-91 is 900. (c) the precauttonery steps Government (c) Waiting list will be cleared during propose to take- to meet the challenge? 1990-91. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAl AF- Reservation of Seats for Women In FAIRS (SHRII.K. GWRAl): (a) Yes, Sir. Local Bodies (b) tJ'ld (~). Gcwamment consa.antty 2655. KUMARI UMABHARATI: monitor all developments having a bearing SHRlMATI JAYAWANTI NAV- on india's security and take necessary INCHANDRA MEHTA: measures to safeguard it. SHRIMATI SUMITRA MA- HAJAN: Purcha.. of French Mirage FlghUfr Jeta by Pakistan Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: 2657. SHRI YASHWANTRAO PATtL: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (a) whether reservation of seats for pleased to state: women in local bodies at the village, block and district levels is being considered by (a) whether Government's attention Government; has been drawn to the nows report in the "Hindustan Times" dated 13 February, 1990 (b) if so, the details thereof; and stating that Pakistan proposes to purchase ~ Mirage-2000 fighter jets and 155 MM (c\ !he manner in which the percentage guns trom France; and 141 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

(b) if so, the Government's reaction The electronic exchange of 4000 lines was thereto? set up on 30.3.88 and expanded by 1000 lines in Feb. 1989. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRILK. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) and (c). The number of telephone connected from Jan. 89 to Dec. 89 from .(b) Pakistan's continuous effort to ac- Electronic Exchange are 732; the number of quire sophisticated arms and equipment old telephones connected with electronic beyond its legitimate defence needs, is a exchange during this period are 345; and cause for concem. Our apprehensions in number of new telephones given in 1989 this regard have been conveyed to all con- which have not been connected with this cerned. electronic exchange are 288. Connections were given from strowger exchange only Government constantly monitor all when the capacity of E-10B exchange was developments having a bearing of India's exhausted. These connections were not bulk security and take necessary measures to release, but committed cases or out of tum safeguard it. connections.

Connection of Telephones With Elec- (d) The new policy about connecting tronic Exchange In India certain number from strowger exchange to electronic exchange will be formulated only 2658. SHRI TARIF SINGH: Will the after the commissioning of 5000 lines elec- Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased tronic exchange expansion which is expected to state: during 1990-91.

(a) when was electronic exchange set Sri Lankan Foreign Minister's Reported up in NOIDA; Remarks About Indian Army 0ffIcia1sl Bur_ucrats '(b) the number of new and old telephones connected with the electronic ex- 2659. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. change from January 1989 to December BHOSALE: wm the Minister of EXTERNAL. 1989 and the number of new telephones AFFAIRS be pleased to state: given in 1989 which have not been connected with thiS exchange; (a) whether the attention of Govern- ment has been drawn to the remarks stated (c) the reasons for not connecting the to have been made recently by the Sri Lankan new phones given In 1989 with the electronic Foreign Minister about Indian army officials exchange; and and bureaucrats; and

Cd) whether Government propose to (b) if so, the r~action of Government connect the remaining phones given in 1989 thereon? with the electronic exchange to provide better service, if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FA'RS (SHR' l.K. GWRAl): (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (b) these remarks are entirely baseless 110NS (SHR' K.P. UNNtKRtSHNAN): (a) and unacceptable. 143 Written Answers MARCH 29. 1910 Written AnswetS 144 Drinking Water Supply to Rural Areas (b) if not, whether Government propose of Tamil Nadu to take some concrete steps to expedite the construction thereof; and 2660. SHRIP.R.S. VENKATESAN:Wili the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased (c) if so, the details of steps proposed to to state: be taken in this regard?

(a) whether there is any scheme to THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- improve the drinking water supply in rural PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- areas of Tamil Nadu: TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) The schedule of completion of bridge over (b) whether Tamil Nadu Government Yamuna near Inter State Bus Terminal has has sent any proposal in this regard to Union been revised twice by the Delhi Administra- Government for clearance: and tIon who are in charge of the projed. The original target date of December, 1987 was (c) if so, the details thereof and the revised first to December. 1988 and subse- action taken by Unton Government thereon? quently to June, 1991. The work is now progressing as per revised schedule. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DE VI (b) and (c). Does not arise. LAl): (8) No, Sir. Dowry Deaths In Deihl (b) No, Sir. 2662. SHRI ANAND SINGH: Will the (c) Does not arise. Mintster of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Construction of Yamuna Bridge Near ISBT (a) the number of dowry deaths reported in Delhi during each quarter in 1989 2661. SHRI BALESHWAR YADAV: Wrll and in 1990 so far; and the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (b) the steps taken by Government to prevent such deaths? (a) whether the construction of the bridge over Yamuna near I.S.B.T is pro- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS gressing as per schedule: (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAVEED):

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Cases reported 01 dowry death 145 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 146

(b) The following steps have been taken (b) if so, the details in this regard? to prevent dowry deaths:- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (i) Offences under the Dowry Prohibi- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVl tion Act hewe been made cognizable and LAL): (a) anq (b). The matter is underconsid- attract more stringent punishment. eration of the Government.

(ii) A new Section has been added in the Abolition of Death Sentence Indian Penal Code making the offences of harassment and cruelty to women by their 2665. SHRIMATI JAYAWANTI NAV- husbands and in-laws a cognizable offence. INCHANDRA MEHTA: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state whether (iii) New sub-sections 113-A and 113-8 there is any proposal to abolish death sen- have been inserted In the Indian EVidence tence in the country in view of the worldwide Act providing for presumption by =3 court as opinion regarding abolition of death sen- to abetment of SUlclde'dowry death by a tence? married woman If cruelty or harassment for dowry IS proved. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): No, (IV) Short -stay Home has been set up Madam. by the Deihl Administration for the use of women In distress Groundnut CuHivation

(v) Special Magistrates have been de- 2666. SHRI 8ALGOPAL MISHRA: Will t3iled for recording dYing declaratIons the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (vi) Public IS being educated through t~e media about the eVI' of dowry (a) whether Government have taken any steps to increase the area under ground- (vii) Instructions havo been Issued to nut cultivation In the country; ge1 postfT'ortem eXamH)'1!I"~ condurted by two surgeons In dowry death cases (b) If so, the steps taken in this regard in Orrssa dUring the Seventh Plan period; and (viii) A special Cell for crime against women under the superVISion of a woman (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Deputy Commissioner of Police has been set up. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI Constitutional Status to Panchayats LAL): (a) Yes, Sir.

2663. SHRI ARVIND NETAM. Will the (b) Two Centrally Sponsored Schemes, Minister of AGRICULTURE be plp3sed to namely, National Oilseeds Development state: Project (NODP) and Oilseeds PrOduction Thrust Project (OPTP) are in operation in (a) whether Government have a pro- Orissa during the Seventh Plan period for posal to grant constItutional statue; to the increasing the area and production of ground- Panchayats: and nut. 147 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written AnswetS 148

(c) Question does not anse. (i) For all categories of seamen, the company roster to be increased to 185% of Recruitment of Seamen From Calcutta Jobs. Port (ii) In all called musters, the selection 2667. DR. SUDHIR RAY: Will the Min- will be inthe raticof 75:25 basis for company isterof SURFACE TRANSPORTbe pleased roster and general roster, respectively. to state: (iii) In some of the categories in com- (a) whether 30 per cent ships of the pany rosters, the strength is more than 225%. Indian Shlppmg CorporatIOn and other Pri- In such categories, the selection will be vate Companies are earmarked for Calcutta: confined to the company roster seamen.

(b) whether as per the recommenda- (IV) If the 75-25 ratIO IS deViated from in tIOns of the Nanda Committee. 30 percent of any selection for any reason, I.e., absence of the seamen are recruited from Calcutta port: seamen required, rejectIOn on medical or other grounds etc ,the reqUisite percentage (c) If not. the actual percentage of sea- Will be made up In subsequent selectIOn to men recrurted from Calcutta. and maJOtaln the ratio fo 75:25

(d) the remedial measures contemplated Allotment of Land to Private Schools tn by the Government In this regard? Chandlgarh

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- 2668 SHRI BABANRAO DHAKNE: Will PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- the MInister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased TIONS (SHRI K.P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) to state: The Shipping Corporation of India mamtalns lOb ratio of 70:30 between Bombay and (a) the number of applicatIOns for anot- Calcutta. Three other companies haVing ment of land for private schools pending with headquarters at Calcutta. I e Ratnakar ShIp- the ChandlQarh Administration as on 31 pIng Co. : India Steamship Ltd and Surren- March. 1989. dra Overseas Ltd. take 1OOO~ of their crew from Calcutta roster (b) sInce when and the reasons therefor. and (b) The Nanda Committee did not recommend that 30 per cent ot seamen. re- (C) whether land already allotted has cruited by Indian ShlPPlOgcompanles should been given at concesslOnal rates? be hom Ca\cutta THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (clAson 1.1 1990.actualpercentageof (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (8) seamen recrurted from CalcuUa comes 10 22 17 per cent on the baSIS of total number of Jobs available (b) These applICations were received dUring the period 'rom 5/82 to 3189. Decision (d) To regulate the employment oppor- could not be taken for the following rea- tundies for the seamen an general roster at sons:- Calcutta. the OlfectOf Genera\ 01 StHPPlng has issued the following orders·- (i) non-furnishing of necessary certifi- 149 Written Answ~rs CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 150

cates regarding availability of funds [ Translation] with the shcool: Appointment of Education/Cultural (i,) application not received in proper Secretary in Indian Missions Abroad form and with full details: 2670. SHRI SRIJ SHUSHAN TIWARI: (iii) non-verification of school's status; Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (vi) non-availability of adequate land at the sIte asked tor by the school (a) the total number of appointments concerned; etc. made in the Indian Missions abroad on the posts of education or cultural secretaryloffi- (c) Yes. SIr. cer or equivalent posts;

Fake Passport and Visa Racket (b) the number out of them from the Indian Foreign Service or Indian Administra- 2669. SHRI R.N RAKESH' Will the tive Service: and Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) the number of appointments made from amongst the eminent people from cul- (a) whether the attention at Govern- tural and academiC fields, separately? ment has been drawn to the news Item captioned "Fake Passport. Visa Racket THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- Busted" appearing In the Indian Express FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAL): (a) There is a dated 26th February, 1990. total of 6 Education posts 10 Indian Missions! Consulates General abroad. (b) if so, the details thereof: (b) No Indian Foreign Servicel\nd,an (c) whether any inqUiry has been made Administrative ServICe OffICers are occupy- into the maner: and Ing and of the six posts.

(d) If so, the actIOn taken by Govern- (c) A Professor from 1fT Delhi is cur- :ment against the person found guilty? rently occupying the post of Minister (Educa- tion) in Ell Washington.

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS [English] ISHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) ¥es, Sir. Issue of Commemorative Postal Stamp (b) to (d). On 13.2.1990, one Afghan in Memory of Anathasayanam Ayyan- national, who had come to collect tIckets gar from a travel agency, was detained and 5 Jorged passports having forged U.S. visa on 2671. DR. K. KAt IMUTHU: Wi" the '~em were recovered from him. A case FIR Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 0.420/4681471/120-8 has been registered. to state: he investigation of the case has been en- usted to the Crime Branch. Four other (a) whether Government have a pro- fghan nationals have also been arrested. posal for issuing a Commemorative postal 151 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnSwelS 152 stamp in memory of Ananthasayanam Ayyan- Development Authority. A case FIR 59 dated gar, the distinguished Speaker of Lok Sabha, 23-2-86 u/s 304-A IPC was registered at on his current birth centenary year? Police Station Gokal Puri. An enquiry was • conducted by SDM/New Delhi and no one THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- was found at fault. PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Producticn and Productivity Growth Yes, Sir. Requests have been received for Rate of Agricultural Commodities issue of a stamp on this personality. A proposal in this regard was placed before the 2673. SHRI M. ARUNACHALAM: Will Phnatelic Advisory Committee, which func- the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased tions in the Department to advise the Gov- to state: ernment about Issue of commemoratlve/ special postage stamps and other such (a) whether Government are aware of matters, at its meeting held on 29.9.89. the study made by the Punjab, Haryana and However, the Committee could not consider Delhi Chamber of Commerce and Industry the proposal due to paucity of time. The regarding production and productivity growth proposal will be again placed before the rate of agricultural commodities; Committee. for consideration, at its next meeting. (b) if so, the details of the products and the comparative production and productivity Drowning of Children in Yamuna Vihar growth rate for different years as reported by Drains PHDCCI: and

2672. SHRIMATI CEETA ~,1UKHER (c) the reaction of Government thereto·' JEE: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (a) whether four children died between LAL): (a) Yes, Sir. 18 July, 1981 and 23 February, 1986 by drowning in the drains of Yamuna Vihar (b) and (c). A Statement giving the growth constructed by DDA; (average annual) in area, production and yield for different years as reported by Punjab, (b) if so, whether cases registered in this Haryana and Delhi Chamber of Commerce regard are still pending wrth the area Police and Industry (PHDCCI) is given below. Station; In the pre-Green Revolution period i.e. (c) the action taken in this regard against 1951-52 to 1964-65, the production growth the persons found guilty: and rates of all major crops were higher primarily on account of area expansion. However, the (d) if not, the reasons therefor? growth rates of area in the post-Green Revo- lution period have declined and the produc- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS tivitygrowth rate levels are higher. In fact the (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) production and productivity levels of rice, to Cd). No, Sir, However, one child named wheat, foodgrains and all Crops were the Janender @ Kafu had died due to drowning highest ever achiev'td so far, during the year in a drain, which was constructed by Delhi 1988-89. 153 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswBIS 154

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2674. SHRI J. CHOKKA RAO: Will the (b) if not, the progress thereof and the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be time by which it is likely to be completed? pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (a) whether there is no four-lane traffic PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- facility on National Highways passing through TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Andhra Pradesh as is provided in the neigh- The Pilot Project to identify measures re- bouring State of Tamil Nadu; quired for introduction of regular navigation is confined to the Allahabad -Patna stretch of (b) if so, whether there is any proposal the river Ganga. The Pilot Project works to provide four -lane traffic facility on Na- have been completed in June, 1989. tional Highways in Andhra Pradesh during 1990-91: and (b) Does not arise.

(c) if so, the details thereof? [ Translation]

THE MIN ISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Central Government Employees Killed PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- in Kashmir Valley TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) A short length of 9 kms of NH. 9 in Andhra 2676. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Pradesh is already four-lane. In addition, a Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to length of 40.6 kms. from Anakapally to state: Vishakhapatnam on NH. 5 has been approved for four-Ianing in August, 1989. (a) the number of Central Government Besides this, Survey and Investigation for employees killed in Kashmir valley during four-laning of Chilakalunpet-Guntur-Vijaya- the last three months; wada (length 82.95 kms) is in an advanced stage and seven more estimates for Survey (b) whether Union Government have and Investigation for four-Ianlng In different taken adequate measures to ensure the sections of National Highways in Andhra safety of their employees: and Pradesh have also been sanctioned. (c) if so, details in this regard?

(b) and (c). four-Ianing of Chilakaluripet- THE MINISTER OF HOME ~FFAIRS Guntur-Vijayawada (length 82.95 kms) is (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) proposed for inclusion in the programme for to (c). The information is being coJlected and 1990-91. will be laid on the Table of the House.

Navigability of Ganga Between [English] Allahabad and Calcutta Upgradatlon of State Highways as 2675. SHRI MANDHATA SINGH: Will National Highways in Tamil Nadu the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: 2677. SHRI A. ASHOKARAJ: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be (a) whether the Pilot Project for making pleased to state: 157 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

(a) whether any memorandum has been PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- submitted by the Government of Tamil Nadu TIONS (SHAI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) suggesting upgradation of 3350 kms. of State Yes Sir. Highways as National Highways; (b) A statement giving the names of the (b) if so, the details thereof; and roads and their lengths is given below.

(c) the action taken thereon? (c) These suggestions contained in the memorandum would be examined when the THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Eighth plan is taken up for finalisation. 159 Written AnstVelS MARCH 29,1990 Written AnswetS 160

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(3) Recruitment Rules have been re- 2678. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR laxed for giving employmentto local GANGWAR: people. SHRI RAJ VEER SINGH: (4) Priority is given to local people for Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be contract jobs and shops in the Aonla pleased to state: Township of IFFCO are allotted to landklsers with a view to encour- (a) whether jobs have since been pro- age self-employment. vided to the dependents of all those farmers whose land was acquired for setting up of IFFCO has als oJ taken certain other steps IFFCO factory in Bareilly: In collaboration with StatelOistrict Admini- stration for rhe overall development of the (b) the percentage of local and outside nearby villages. labourers employed In this unit; and [English] (c) the steps being taken by Govern- ment to give priority to local people in em- Security Arrangements for Door- ployment in this factory? darshan Staff In Sri nagar

2679. SHRIINDRAJITGUPTA: Willthe THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI state: LAL): (a) It has not been possible to provide jobs to all the eligible land-losers. However, for all the unskilled jobs, the recruitment is (a) whether the officers and staff of made from among the land-losers only. The Doordarshan Kendra, Srinagar, have been employment opportunities are over and receiving threats to stop telecasts of official above the compensation paid for the land news bulletins, etc. acquired. (b) if so, whether any special arrange- (b) 84%01 labourers employed are from ments have been made to provide security Bareilly Distt. only and 94% of labourers are for the Doordarshan personnel and their from U.P. families; and;

(c) Following steps have been taken by (c) if so, the details thereof? IFFCO to give priority to local people for employment: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (1 ) The recruitments to the post of (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) unskilled categories are from the to (c). Information is being collected from the local population only and specially State Government and will be laid on the from land-losers. Table of the House. 167 Written AnswelS MARCH 29. 1990 Written AnsW91S 1~ Delegations of Performing Artists Sent (b) the criteria adopted for selection of Abroad by leeR artists for such delegations?

2680. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CH- OUDHURY: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- AFFAIRS be pleased to state: FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAL): (a) The year wise break-up of the delegations of perform- (a) the number of delegations of per- ing arts sent abroad by the ICCR during the forming Artists sent abroad by the Indian last five years under its normal bilateral Council for Cultural Relations' during last cultural exchanges is given below:- FIVe Years; and

Year Number of composite Number of individual groups (i.e.group delegations of performing arts wise break-up of composite delegations)

1985-86 60 80

1986-87 34 47

1987-88 58 59

1988-89 45 84

1989-90 81 81

In addition to the above, the ICCR sent abroad the following performing arts groups on the occasion of Festivals of India held in different countries during the last five years:-

Name of Country Period Number of Groups

USA 1985-86 16

France 1985-86 65

USSR 1987-88 134

Sweden 1987 19

Switzerland 1987 14

Mauritius 1987 19

(b) In order to select artists to be sent their individual fields. abroad under the normal bilateral CUl- tural exchanges, the ICCR has set up The Advisory Panels finalise the n..,. Advisory Panels in different fields of of groups and individuals for inclusiOl' p. performing arts composed of experts in 169 Written AnswefS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 170

ent categories. From the reference (c) if so, the names of main suppliers of panels individuals & groups are selected the equipment for this purpose? for participation in events abroad. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- A similar procedure for selection of art- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- ists to send abroad for Festivals of India TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) was followed in accordance with the Technological improvements in the switch- guidelines received from Department of ing and transmission equipments which are Culture. being progressively incorporated in the Tele- com Network in the country viz. C-DOT New Technological Improvements in Rural Automatic Exchange, C-OOT Main Telecom Sector Automatic Exchange, ITI-ILT and Mini IlT and E-10B Exchanges are considered suit- 2681. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PA- able for our requirement. Similarly, in the TIL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS transmission field digital transmission sys- be pleased to state: tems e.g. 30 channel PCM for improving the junction cable capacities, digital line, optical (a) the new technological Improvements fibre and micro wave systems of indigenous in the telecom sector recently Introduced in designs are also being progressively tested the country; and introduced. (b) Yes, Sir. (b) whether these technologies are indigenous and suitable to tropical condi- (c) The list is given in the Statement tions: and below. 171 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 172 I

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Special Police Officers In Deihl Police (a) whett)er several fertilizer plants In the country prodUCing phosphatiC or com- 2682 DR BHAGWAN DASS plex fertilizers have either closed down or RATHOR Will the MInister of HOME are on the verge of closure due to non- AFFAIRS be pleased to state availability of two Vital Inputs, phosphonc aCid and ammOnia, In the last few months, (a) the powers and status of Special and Police Officers In Deihl Police, (b) If so, the steps taken by Government (b) whether the Special Police Officers to make available phosphonc acid and are paid any remuneration ammonia for the revival of these fertilizer Units? (c) If so the details and If not the rea sons therefor THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI OEVI (d) whether these Special Police Offi- LAL) (a) Yes, Sir cers are given any security and financial Insurance and (b) On 8 2 1990, the Minerals and Met- als Trading Corporation of India Ltd (MMTC) (e) If not the reasons therefor? was deSignated as the canalislng agency for the Import of phosphOriC aCid and ammonta THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED) (a) MMTC has been authOrised to Import The Special Police Officers are vested With phosphonc aCid and ammonia for the fertil- powers to arrest ul"der Section 43 Cr P C Izer Industry for the penod Aprtl-September They are respectable members of the Police 1990 It has arranged 50,000 mt of ammonta who function under Senior Police Officers of for prompt delivery Commercla~ negotIa- the concerned District tions are In progress with the tenderers of phosphonc aCid Shipments would com- (b) and (c) No Sir However they are mence after the contracts have been con- entrtled to the payment of Food Allowance In cluded case they are detailed for duties exceeding four hours Slndri Modernisation Plant

(d) and (e) No, Sir However 11 any 2684 SHR\ A K ROY W\\\the M\O\ster Specla\ PO\lce Officer apprehends danger to 0\ AGR\CULlURE be p\eased to state hiS hfe from bad elements security guards can be prOVided (a) the remaining hfe of the Slndn Modernisation plant prodUCing Ammonia; Closure of Phosphatic FertJlJ2ers (b) whether there IS any plan for Its 2683 SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- renovatIOn or replacement, HIT SHRI D M PUTTE GOWDA (c) If so, the detaIls thereof,

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (d) whether the total SIndn Industnal pleased to state Complex IS degeneratIng and 187 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnswelS 188

(e) if so, the steps taken to save the THEMINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- Sindri Complex? PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNN:KRISHNAN): (a) THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Mechanical telephone meters are not pro- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI vided in the electronic exchanges. There- LAL)~ (a) Sindri Modernization Plant of the fore, tampering is not possible. In case of Fertiliser Corporation of India produces electro-mechanical exchanges where indi- ammonia/urea and was commissioned about vidual telephone meters are provided for 10 years ago. hs remaining life will be about each subscriber, the Department has taken 10 years assuming that the life of a nitroge- adequate precautions to see that they are nous fertiliser plant is about 20 yrs. not tampered. Following steps have been taken to prevent the possibilities of any (b) and (c). There is a proposal for malpractice that may lead to excess billing revamping the various plants at Sindri at an Complaints; estimated cost of Rs. 14.77 crores. 1 . Routine testing of the subscribers' meters. (d) and (e). it is not true that the Sindri industrial complex is degenerating in view of 2. Sealing of meters. the steps being taken/proposed to be taken for improvement in the performance of the 3. Locking of Meter-Room and restric- plants such as rebuilding of 30 coke ovens, tions in entry into the Meter Room. revamping of the plants and the proposed replacement of the old captive power plant 4. Raising and locking of distribution by a new plant. points.

5. Formation of Mobile Vigilance [ Translation] Squads.

Tampering of Telephone Meters of 6. Fortnightly meter-reading in case Telephone Users by the Officers and of very busy subscribers. Staff of Telephone Department In addition to the above, following 2685. SHRI R.L.P. VERMA: Will the measures have bee,., taken to settle the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased billing complaints: to state: (i) provision of charge analysing equip- (a) whether tampering of telephone ment. meters can be detected through local call meter, internal instrument and external lines (ii) provision in the Telegraph Act to to ascertain whether the number of calls make the diversion of lines a cogni- have been inflated by tampering meters of zable offence. telephone users by the officers and staff of telephone department; and (b) No, Sir. All complaints of inflated telephone bHls are examined first for clerical (b) whether telephone users are bound errars and then for technical faults in the to pay inflated telephone bills in case of internal and external equipment. In certain tampering of meter not detected? cases, the telephone is also placed under 189 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 observation to check the functioning of the Shiprepairing Yard at Haldia. metering equipment and to ascertain the calling pattern of the subscriber. Wherever However, considering the inadequacy the number of calls recorded in the bills of shiprepair facilities in the country to meet under dispute is more than 100% of the our demand, Government has initiated a highest number of calls metered during the 6 Feasibility-cum-Detailed Study under the billing periods immediately preceding the AdviSOry Technical Assistance Scheme of disputed period, the bill is split up, if -so the Asian Development Bank for the devel- requested by the subscriber, and he is asked opment of shiprepalr facilities in the country to pay only the average of the said six billing during the Eighth Plan penod. This Study periods, plus 10% thereof, immediately. The will, among other thmgs, evaluate the suita- balance amount is kept in abeyance, till bility of different possible sites for any new finalisation of investigation. facilities it may recommend.

H the investigations reveal/suggest the World Bank and ADB Assistance for possibility of any fault in the equipment or Development of Ports line, suitable rebate is always given to the subscriber. 2687. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be In E-10-B type electronic exchanges, pleased to state: detailed bills with particulars of all the STD calls made by the subscribers are provided. (a) whether there is any proposal to seek assistance from the World Bank and [English] the ASian Development Bank for the development of ports In the Eighth Plan; and Ship Repairing Yard at Haldia (b) if so, the details thereof including the 2686. SHRI CHITTA BASU: ports which are likely to be developed with SHRI AMAL DATTA: the assistance from these agencies? SHRI SUDARSAN RAYCHAUDHURI: SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) PORT be pleased to state: and (b). The World Bank has shown interest in funding the schemes for augmentation of (a) whetherthere is any proposal under container handling facilities at Jawaharlal consideration of Government for setting up Nehru Port at Nhava Sheva. Loan negotia- of a Ship Repairing Yard at Haldia: and tions for US$ 129 million were concluded in November, 1989 with the ADB for the mod- (b) if so, tha details thereof including the ernisation of port facilities and ship repair stage at which it rest now? facilities of Bombay Port and the development by the State Government of Kakinada THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Port in Andhra Pradesh. PORT AND MINiStER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. -tJNN-tKRISHNAN): (a) The schemes of Bombay Port covered and (b). Thete is no specHic proposal under by the loan from Asian Development Bank Government's consideration for setting up a are': 191 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 192

(i) Improvement of container handling present exchange will be expanded? facilities; THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (ii) Replacement of Pir Pau oil pier; PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) (iii) Replacement of outer lock gate at Indira 1323 as on 28.2.90. Dock; (b) and (c). To clear the waiting list the (iv) Replacement of fire fighting vessel; existing 2100 lines electromechanical exchange is likely to be replaced by 4500 lines (v) Provision of computer management Electronic exchange in the middle of the 8th information system; Five Year Plan.

(iv) Replacement of one Caission gate each Commissions of Inquiry of Hughes and Merewether dry docks and repair to existing facilities at the dry 2689. SHRIMATI USHA SINHA: Will docks. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Proposal regarding other Ports are yet to be finalised and would be taken up for (a) the number of Commissions of consideration when the 8th plan IS finalised. Inquiry appointed during the last three years under the Commissions of Inquiry Act; The following works are envisaged in the development by the State Government (b) the number out of them which have of Kakinada Port: since submitted their reports and how many such reports have been made public; and (i) Construction of three deep water berths, extension of break water and dredging (c) the particulars of the Commissions of access channel. whose reports have not been made public and the reason for not making them public? (ii) Provision of ancillary facilities. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Pending Applications for Telephone (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) Connections in Hoshlarpur (Punjab) to (c). The requisite information in resped of Commissions set up under the Commis- 2688. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHARY: Will sions of Inquiry Act, 1952 by the Ministries! the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Departments of the Government of India is pleased to state: being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (a) the number of applications pending tor telephone connections in Hoshiarpur Accidents Involving DTC and Private (Punjab); Buses

(b) the steps taken or proposed to be 2690. SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saidpur): taken by Government to clear the waiting list; Will the Ministerof SURFACE TRANSPORT and be pleased to state:

Cc) the tin1e by which the capacity of the (a) the number of accidents involving 193 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 194

Delhi Transport Corporation buses and Pri- buses; and vate buses under DTC separately dUring 1988 and 1989 yearwlse; (d) whether there IS any proposal to enhance the punishment to make the same (b) the number of persons killed and deterrent? Injured in those accidents, THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (c) the action taken against the drivers TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) as well as the owners and drivers of private and (b) Details are as under:

Total No Total No of Number of Number of of buses accidents persons killed persons injured

(I) DTC Buses

1988 4316 4217 224 1588

1989 4328 4117 215 1824

(II) P.o Buses

1988 972 153 53 184

1989 729 163 65 242

(c) Following action has been taken against the drivers of DTC buses.-

1988 1989

Cautioned 657 703

Warned 239 349

Reprimand 56 42

Censured 43 52

Stoppage of Increment 68 74

Recovery of penalty for damage to vehicles 337 230

Services dispensed With 84 62

Cases under proces 59 146 195 Written AnswelS MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnsW9IS 196 Action taken against drivers/owners of P.O. buses has been as under:

1988 1989

Contract of private buses terminated 16 49

Penatty imposed Rs. 7,000 Rs.7,300

j} The services of retainer crew and edible oil tank farm at Kandla and has plans pre ationers are dispensed with if they are to construct a tank farm in Calcutta. involved in fatal and major accidents. For regular drivers, exemplary punishment is (b) to (d). These tanks farms are being given after conducting detailed enquiry if the established by the NODS under its vege- charge against such driver is establish&d on table oil project' Restructuring Edible Oil and the basis of evidence in the enquiry. This is Oilseed Production and Marketing' which besides the punishment that are awarded by was approved by the Government of India in the court. In fatal and most serious accidents 1978. This project now covers 7 States under the services of private bus and its driver IS which 3603 cooperatives in 43 districts and terminated. There is no proposal to change 7 State Federations have been formed. The the present practice. project further envisages that producers cooperatives woukt have around 15% share Installation of Edible Oil Tanks at of the vegetable oil market. NODB has con- Kandla and Calcutta siderable experience in handling commodities including vegetable oil and has created 2691. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA- a net-work of infrastructure under the vege- LAM: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be table oil project. it has been appointed as the pteased to state: market intervention agency for an intial period of 5 years from April, 1989. In view of (a) whether some edible oil tanks are these facts the questioD of appointing an- being installed at Kandla and Calcutta; other agency to carry out the vegetable oil work being handled by NDDB does not arise. (b) whether these tanks are a part of Oil Technology Mission or any other project, if so, the details in this regard: [ Translation]

(c) whether Government propose to Flood. In Bihar hand over Vag. Oil work now handled by National Diary Development Board (NDDB) 2692. SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH: to National Vegetable Oil Development Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Board; and pleased to state:

Cd) if not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether there is wide-spread dev- astation every year in Bihar due to floods; and THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (b) if so, the total loss suffered in 1989- LAl): NDDB is currently constructing an 90? 197 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 198 THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (b) if so, the steps taken in this regard? MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAL): (a) and (b). Floods cause fairly wide- THE MINISTER OF EXTE~NAL AF· spread damage in Bihar almost every year. FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJARAL): (a) and (b). The tentative loss suffered in Bihar during During my visit to Bangladesh from 16-18 1989-90 is estimated to be Rs. 9.50 crore. February, 1990, all bilateral issues were discussed and It was agreed that the talks [English] would be carried forward when the Foreign Mlntster of Bangladesh visits India for the Setting up of Digital Electronic Tele- third meeting of the Joint Econl'f'lic Com· phone Exchange at Udumalpet mission.

2693. SHRI B. RAJARAVI VARMA: Will [ Translation] the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: Telephone Exchange at Ramgarh in Bihar (a) whether there IS a proposal to construct a new bUilding fortelephone exchange 2695. PROF. YADUNATH PANDEY: at Udumalpet: and Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) the time by which the bUilding Will be constructed and a digital electrOnic tele- (a) whether the building of telephone phone exchange With 2000 lines set up there? exchange has since been constructed by his mlntstry at Ramgarh in Hazaribagh, Bihar; THE MINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- and PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) (b) if so, the time by which the telephone Yes, Sir. there is a proposal to construct a exchange IS likely to start functioning at telephone exchange bUilding of Crossbar Ramgarh? type. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (b) The bUIldIng IS likely to be completed PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA· by September 1991 and 2000 line Crossbar TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Exchange IS expected to be comm Issloned Yes, Sir. The bldg. for telephone exchange by middle of 1992 subject to availability of at Ramgarh In Hazaribagh has been com· stores. No Digital ElectroniC Exchange IS pleted. proposed at thiS place. (b) This telephone exchange is likely to start functioning by March, 91. Indo-Bangladesh Talks on Bilateral Problems Issue of Forged Passports

2694. SHRI BHAKTA CHARAN DAS: 2696. DR. BENGALI SINGH: Will the Will the Minister of EXTE RNAL AFFAIRS be Ministerof EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased pleased to state: to state: (a) whether any cases of issuing forged (a) whether Government propose to passports from Lucknow and Bareilly Pass- hold a fresh round of talks with Bangladesh port Offices have come to light during the last for the solution of the bilateral problems; and six months; 199 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 200

(b) if so, whether any enquiry has been Loss Incurred by Cochln Shipyard conducted in this regard; and 2698. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the (c) if so, the findings thereof and action Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be taken against the persons involved therein? pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- (a) the loss incurred by the Gochin FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) No, Sir. Shipyard during 1989-90;

(b) and (c). Does not anse (b) the reasons therefor; and

[English] (c) the steps being taken to improve the financial health of the Shipyard? Break Through in Coconut Tissue Culture THEMINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 2697. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to As the financial year is not yet over, the final state: audited figures of loss are not available. But the anticipated loss for 1989-90 is Rs. 25.87 (a) whether any breaf through has been crores (approx.) made in the coconut tissue culture: (b) The main reasons for losses are: (b) if so, the details thereof and it not, the reasons therefor: and (i) The difference between end price of indigenously built ships and (c) the research institutes presently the actual cost of production, as engaged in this research woo ? the present pricing formula is related to international parity THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND prices and not related to the MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI actual cost of production. LAL): (a) No Sir. (ii) Heavy interest burden on the loan (b) Techniques have 'let succeeded portion of the capital structure of due to the presence of phenolic Inhibitors. the company and working capital loans from the banks. (c)1. Central Plantation Crops Re- search Inst'+ J[e. Kasaragod. (iii) Highercost of indigenous inputs. Kerala. (iv) Longer delivery time due to long 2. Tamil Nadu Agncultural Uni- lead time required for procure- versity, Combatore, Tamllnadu. ment of indigenous inputs.

3. Jawaharlal Nehru UniverSity, (v) Low productivity. New Deihl (c) Various proposals based on the 4. "'dllonal Chemical Labora- recommendations made by BICP tory, Pune. Maharashtra. and High Level Committee 201 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 202

headed by Shn LovraJ Kumar tor However, a sum of Rs. 6.0241akhs has been Improving the financial health of allocated to the Karnataka dUring the year the shipyard are under conSid- 1989-90 against the sanctioned schemes. eration of the Government These Include revIsion of pricing for- Rate of Road Accidents mula, restructuring of capital base by converting loan Into equity, 2700 SHRI SHANTILAL PU- grant of moratorium on payment RUSHOTTAM DAS of Interest/repayment of past PATEL. loans etc SHRI MANORANJAN 8HAKTA: Amount Allocated to Karnataka out of Central Road Fund Will the MInister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: 2699 SHRI S.T. PATIL Will the Mlnls- . ter of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased (a) whether rate of road aCCidents In to state India IS highest In the world;

(a) whether the Central Road Fund has (b) If so, the details thereof, and been augmented. (c) the cost, the country has to bear (b) If so, the amount allocated to Karna- every year as a result thereof? taka therefrom for the year 1989-90. and THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (c) If not, the reasons therefor? PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- and (b) No, SIr. According to the World PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Road Statistics 1987 brought out by Interna- TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) to tional road Federation, Washington, rate of (c) Because of constraint of resources, road aCCidents per 1000 vehicles forthe year additional funds under the augmented Cen- 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1986 has been as tral Road Fund are yet to be prOVided follows- 203 Written Answers MARCH 29.1990 Written Answers 204

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(c) This has not been estimated THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHAI DEVI Enforcement of Pollution Law on LAL): (a) and (b). A number of long term Vehicles measures have been taken to help the States! UnIOn Territoraes In mitigating the distress 2701 SHRI Y S RAJA SEKHAR caused by drought. These include increas- REDDY: Will the Minister of SURFACE Ing area under IrrigatIOn, Drought Prone TRANSPORT be pleased to state Area Programme, Desert Devek?pment Programme, Soil and Water Conservation (a) whether the pollution law on ve- Programme, Jawahar Rozgar Yojana, Affor- hicles which was to be enforced from 1 estation, etc However, no definite time March, 1990 had to be postponed. schedule can be laid down for complete containment of the problems of drought. (b) If so. the reasons therefor Border Dispute Between UP and Bihar ~c) whether the law has since been enforced. and 2703 SHRI JANARDAN YADAV: Will the MInister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (d) If so. from which date? to state

(a) whether the border dispute between THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Uttar Pradesh and Bihar have been sorved; PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- and TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) No. Sir (b) If so, the details thereof and if not, the reasons therefor?

(b) Does not anse THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) (c) and (d) Yes. Sir It has come mto and (b). Based upon the arbitral Award of effect from 1st March, 1990 Shn C.M. Trrvedl, whICh was accepted by both the Government of Uttar Pradesh and [ Translation] Bihar, the Bihar and Uttar Pradesh (Altera- tion of Boundaries) Ad, 1968 was enaded to Action Plan for Drought and Famine replace the fluctuating inter-state river boundaries by fixed boundaries. Thus there 2702 SHRI G/RDHARI tAL BHAR- IS no boundary dispute as such. However, GAVA: Will the MInister of AGRICULTURE there have been occaSlOnai dIsputes be- be pleased to state tween private parties inVOlving contending claims In respect of nghts of ownership and (a) whether an actIOn plan has been cultivatIOn of land In some of the territories prepared by Government to find out a per- transferred from one State to the other fol- manent solutIOn to the problems of drought lOWing the enforcement of the said Act. Such and famine; and disputes are to be determlnEtd by a competent court of law. There are. however, some (b) if so, the time by whICh these prob- drtierences between the Two State Govern- lems are likely to be contained In varrous ments overthe exchange of records of rights State through this actIon plan? of cultIvators In respect of their lands in 209 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 210 certain villages falling in the transferred ter- Drug Trafficking in Deihl ritories. 2705. PROF. SHAILENDRANATH This is essentially a matter to be sorted SHRIVASTAVA: Will the Minister of HOME out between the two State Governments AFFAIRS be pleased to state: bilaterally atthe appropriate level. The Central Government would, however, be glad to (a) the total value of illegal drugs seized extend such assistance as may be specifi- In raids conducted by Delhi Police in 1989- cally required by them. 90 item-wise;

Fertilizer Factory in Gorakhpur \b) the officers and employees awarded for displaying special effiCiency in this re- 2704. SHRI MAHANT ABEDYA NATH: gard; and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (c) the total number of persons apprehended by Delhi Police In connection with (a) whether there was a proposal for Illegal trafficking in drugs, the number of setting up of a new fertilizer factory In Gora- foreigners among them and their national- khpur dUring 1990-91: and Ity?

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, the details !hereof and when a (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) final decision is likely to be taken in this No precise value of the illicit drugs seized in regard? raids can be either estimated or assessed as thiS IS dependent upon various factor like places of origin and seizure, purity of the THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND drugs seized, local demand and supply MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI poSition, etc. LAL): (a) There is no proposal for setting up (b) No officer/employee has been a new fertilizer factory In Gorakhpuf during awarded. 1990-91. (c) In all 1706 persons were arrested of whom 25 are !orelgners. Their nationality is (b) Does not anse. given below:-

1989 1989 (upto 15.3.90)

West Germany 3

Nigeria 4

Britain 2

Australia 2

France 2

Nepal 5 211 Wfltten Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 212

1989 1989 (upto 15.3.90)

Canada

Tanzania 2

Total 22 3

[Engltsh) 4000 lines capacrty IS expected to be commissioned In a month's time Conversion of Delhi Cantonment Telephone Exchange into Electronic Employment Guarantee Scheme Exchange 2707 SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHARY· 2706 SHRI KALKA DAS Will the Min Will the MInister of AGRICULTURE be Ister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to pleased to state state (a) whether there IS any proposal to (a) whetherGovernme .... • are aware tr at Introduce a Central Sponsored Scheme In the Deihl CantonfTtent Telepnone Exchange vanous States on the Imes of Employment has become outdated guarantee Scheme In Maharashtra, and

(b) If so, the special facilities and con- (b) If so, the details thereof? cessions proposed to be given to the subscnbers till the exct,ange m question IS THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND overhauled and renovated to the entire sat- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI IsfactIOns of the subscnbers and LAL) (a) and (b) The Finance MInister, In budget speech for the year 1990-91 has (c)bywhen Deihl Cantonment Exchange announced that It IS proposed to make a IS likely to be replaced by the electronic I beginning on an Employment Guarantee microwave operated exchange with full effi- Scheme for the drought prone areas and ciency and suffiCient lines to cope wIth the areas with acute problem of rural unemploy- demands In thiS area? ment In selected areas of the country The details of the scheme are being worked out THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Joint Patrolling on Indo-Pak Border- TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) Yes Sir 2708 SHRI RAMDAS SINGH Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) The equipment IS given fairly satis- state factory service Question of granting any concession does not anse (a) whether the Border Security Force and Pakistani rangers have taken up joint (c) A Olgrtal Remote line exchange of patrolling on the Indo-Pak border along 213 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 214

Punjab and Rajasthan from 1 July, 1989, If (c) whether there IS any proposal to so, the details thereof, send a Central team to take stock of the situation? (b) whether Government propose to start 10lnt patrolling In other sectors also and THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (c) rf so, the details thereof? LAL) (a) No report of famine Irke conditions resulting from drought In Bhandara cUstntt of Maharashtra has been received from the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS State Government (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMPD SAYEED) (a) T'1e BSF and Pak Rangers have taken up (b) No, Sir simultaneous coordInated patrolling on the (c) Does not anse Indo-Pak border along PunJab and RaJast- han from 1st July, 1989 It was agreed that Opening of Office at Garhi Amrftpuri 'S' both sides will send an agreed number of New Deihl patrols on each day and will cover areas Identified by the iwo Forces, the detailed 2710 SHRI DALPAT SINGH PAR- programmes for simultaneous coordinated ASTE Will the Minister of COMMUNICA~ patrolling Will be JOintly worked out by the TIONS be pleased to state Battalion Command':mt of BSF and Wing Commanders of Pak Rangers on a fort (a) whether there IS no permanent post nightly baSIS the patrol Will be briefed and 0fflce for the ~esldents of Garhl, Amrrtpurr 'B' de-brrefed JOintly by the concerned Coy and A and Sant Nagar East of Kallash In Commanders the progress WIll be revIewed New Deihl and from time to time (b) If so, the tll'/e bv which permanent (b) and (c) The Simultaneous co-ordl- post office IS ltkely to be opened there? nated patrolling has been ex1ended to some more areas In GUJarat Sector from Septem- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS~ ber 19'39 onwards PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA~ TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRtsHNAN) (a) [ Translation] There are post offices In Sant Nagar and East of Kallash but not In Garhl Amrltpun. Famine Conditions In Bhandara District of Maharashtra (b) There IS no proposal at present for a post offrce at Garhl Amrrtpurr In view of the 2709 DR KHUSHAL PARAS RAM fact that there are other post offices at dIS- BOPCHE Will the MInister of AGRICUL- tances of 1 to 1 5 kms from the said area TURE be pleased to state [Engltsh1 (a) whether Government are aware that Bhandara district In Maharashtra IS faCing Availability of Chemical Fertilizers to famine conditions resulting from drought, Small Farmers

(b) whether Union Government have 2711 SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA receIved any request for rehef from State Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be Government of Maharashtra. and pleased to state' 215 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 216

(a) the present system of distribution of assistance is being given for opening of fertilizers; and additional retail outlets to meet the expenses for advance stocking and for transportation (b) the steps taken or proposed to be of fertilisers for a distance of 20 Kms. beyond taken to ensure the availability of chemical block headquarters. fertilizers to the smallest farmers? Acquisition of Ships THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI 2712. SHRIJANARDHANA POOJARY: LAL): (a) and (b). The requirement of fertil- Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT iser for each StatelUnion Territory etc. is be pleased to state: assessed before the beginning of each crop season. This IS done in consultation with (a) whether there is any proposal to State Governments, UTs, Fertiliser Industry remove restriction on acquisition of ships to etc. help shipping industry to benefit from improvement in World freight markets; and

Atter assessing the requirement of fer- (b) if so, the details thereof? tilisers, a coordinated plan is finalised for supply of fertilisers from indigenous and imported stocks of fertilisers, to cover the THEMINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- requirements of different States/U.Ts. PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) The supplies against the allocations and (b). Any person who fulfils the require- made in the supply plan are reviewed regu- ment of Section 21 of the Merchant Shipping larly to ensure that all States etc. are being Act, 1958 can apply to Government for supplied fertilisers a..;cording to the supply acquisition of ships. Permission to acquire plan. Midterm corrections are made wher- vessels is given taking into consideration the ever necessary. need for the vessels, and in the case of second hand vessels, als@ the age of the vessels, reasonableness of the price, etc. In order to enable the small and mar- The Government decision is generally com- ginal farmers to buy fertilisers in small quan- municated within 45 days to private sector tities, all the manufacturers of urea and DAP shipping companies who have applied for have been adVised to supply 10% of their acquisition of ships. The Shipping Corpora- production in small packs in accordance with tion of India has to obtain the approval of the requirement indicated by the State Central Government for Purchase of ships Government. and their proposals are considered taking into account relevant factors such as the availability of Plan and Budget provisions, The State Governments have been the viability of the proposal and the availabil- advised to consider exemption from regis- ity of foreign exchange. There is no proposal tration procedures In respect of dealers hold- to do away with the above requirements. ing stocks up to 10 tonnes of fertilisers at a point of time. However the Ministry propose to review the procedures laid down for the Shipping In order to increase the retail outlets in Corporation of India to bring it on a par with interior and inaccessible areas, financial the Private Shipping Companies. 217 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (5AKA) Written Answers 218

Acceptance of Cheques for Advance (c) If not, the reasons therefor? Rental by Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited THEMINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 2713 SHRI SANAT KU MAR MANDAL TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) {a) Will the MInister of COMMUNICATIONS be Berhampore, Jalpalgurt, Bankura, Blshnupur, pleased to state Dlnhata, Ranaghat, RalganJ, Tamluk, Ben- erhat, Habra, Blrpara, Tarakeswar, Dur- (a) whether Mahanagar Telephone gachak, Nalhatl, HI)", Canning Nigam Ltd accepts cheques from the sub- scrrbers towards payment of advance de- (b) It IS proposed to commission an posits for rentals and electronic exchange at Canning durtng 1990- 91 After that STD faCIlity Will be proVided (b) If not the reasons therefor and steps proposed to be taken to streamline the whole (c) Question does not anse procedure In this regard? Setting up of Digital Electronic Ex- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS changes in States PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) 2715 SHRI BHAKTA CHARAN DAS Yes Sir Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state (b) Does not anse In vIew of (a) above (a) the target set for the opentng of new Linking of Canning wIth Calcutta by 500 line Digital Electronic Exchanges by the S.T.D end of 1989-90 and

2714 SHRISANATKUMARMANDAL (b) the number of such 500 line Digital WIll the MInIster of COMMUNICATIONS be Electronic Exchanges set up so far and the pleased to state locations thereof? (a) the various cltles'towns In West Bengal which are proposed to be brought on THE MIN ISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- the STD system linking them with Calcutta PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- and other Important citIes dUrtng 1990 91 TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) 78 units ot 512 Port 'LT (Digital Electronic (b) whether In view of the growing Im- Exchanges) portance of Canning some steps are pro posed to be taken to link It wIth Calcutta by (b) 21 exchanges-locatIons are gIven In STD at the earliest and the statement below

STATEMENT

Locations of 512 Port IL T Exchar>ges CommissIOned so far

51 No Location effcte

2 3

Hebbagudl Karnataka 219 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnswefS 220

51. No. Location Circle

2 3

2. Chikodi ...... 00-

3. . Pad~birdi -do-

4. Ranigunta Andhra Pradesh

5. Kadlrl -do-

6. Raya Punjab

7. Chandlgarh -do-

B. Mlnlcoy Kerala (Urr of Lakshadweep)

9. Andreth -do-

10. Udayarnporoor -do-

11. Kondetty -do-

12. Nagda Madhya Pradesh

13. Karjat Maharashtra

14. RaJpur Uttar Pradesh

15. Manakapur -do-

16. Ambal~ city 2 units Haryana & 17.

18. Chandipur Orissa

19. Rayagadda -do-

20.. Rajula Gujarat

21. Kotkhai Himachal Pradesh 221 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 222

National Average of Road Length National average of road level, and

2716. CH JAGDEEP DHANKHAR (c) If so, the details thereof? Will the Minrsterof SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state THE MINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- (a) the National average of road length PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- for the country and the average of road TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) length In Rajasthan, There IS no generally accepted yardstick for working out aNatlOnalaveragern road length (b) whether Government propose to However, on a rough baSIS, the density of provide assistance to bring up the average of roads worked out on the baSIS of total area road length In Rajasthan at par With the and population IS as follows -

IndIa Rajasthan

I) Road length per 100 sq km 554 km 31 1 km

II) Road length per one lakh of 2658 km 3105 km population (1981 Census)

(b) and (c) As the bulk of road length taken up? consists of the State roads It IS for the State Governmentto consider augmenting the road THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND length by making sUitable provIsion In the MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI OEVI State Plans In consultation With the Planning LAL) (a) Yes, Sir CommiSSion The Central Government IS (b) The amount earmarked IS Rs mainly concerned With the development of 4,03,75,4()01- for a penod of five years National Highways (c) The Agncultural Universities In which Dry-Land Farming these projects have been taken up are I) University of Agricultural SCiences, Banga- 2717 SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA lore, II) University of Agncultural SCiences, NARASIMHA RAJA WAOIYAR Will the Oharwad, \II) Jawahar\a\ Nehru Knshl \hshwa MInister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Vldyalaya, Jabalpur, IV) Punjab Agncultural state University, Ludhlana, v) Mahatma Phule (a) whether a JOint research plan has Knshl Vldyapeeth, Rahun, VI) GUJarat Agn- been drawn up by India and USA for the cultural University, Anand and VII) Sher-e- deve\opment at dry-land farmmg, Kashmir University of Agricultural SCiences and Technology, Snnagar (b) If so, the amount earmarked out of the Indo-US fund for Educational, Cultural Coconut Production and SCientifiC Co-operation to support the dry-land farming research. and 2718 SHR' SR'KANTHA DAnA NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: W,ll the (c) the Indian Agricultural UniVerSities In MInister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to whICh such projects are proposed to be state 223 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 224

(a) whether Government had a pro- (b) if sa, the details in this regard and posal to increase the production of Coconut; the States where marketing facilities are being improved; and (b) if so, the targets fixed and the specific steps taken to Increase Coconut (c) the financial allocation, if any, made production in Karnataka and other States to those States, State-wise? during the Seventh. Plan penod; and

(c) the production expected to be THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND achieved during that Plan penod? MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DE VI LAL): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The States have THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND been requested to enact State Agricultural· MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI Produce Markets Acts where the legislation LAL): (a) to (c). The target of Coconut has not already been enacted. Model Bi" for production during the Seventh Five Year regulation of Markets have been circulated Plan is 8,000 fTlillion nuts. The production to the States for modifying their existing expected to be achieved dUring the plan legislatlon/formulating new legislation in order period is 8,500 million nuts. The steps taken to help the farmers get better terms of trade. by Coconut Development Board to Increase The States have been requested to draw up the coconut production in the country includ- State Master Plans for development of agri- ing Karnataka, during the Seventh Five Year cultural markets based on detailed surveys Plan are: of production and markets. Technical assistance and guidance for surveys, training 1. Production of quality planting mate- personnel in various aspects of marketing, rial assistance for deSigning markets are pro- Vided by the Directorate ot Marketing and 2. ExpanSion of area under coconut Inspection (DMI). The OMI enforce quaJity control and help grading of agricultural pro- 3. Steps for productiVity Improvement duce including chemical analysis in the laboratories. The OMI also authorise State Gov- 4. Integrated control of pest and diS- ernment agencies for quality control. Gov- eases ernment of India provides financial assistance to State Governments and UTs to 5. Integrated development of post har- develop infrastructural facilities in the agri- vest technology including marketing cultural produce markets in the country. In and processing. order to help storage of agricultural commodities, Government of India give financial Marketing Facilities in States assistance for the establishment of Rural Godowns. 2719. SHRI 9AIKANTHA DAnA NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister oJ AGRICULTURE be pleased to (c) Till the period ending 31st March, state 1989, an amount of Rs. 75141akhs has been provided to State GovernmentslUnion Terri- (a) whether Union Government have tories to develop 3601 markets. The State- suggested to State Government to create wise financiat assistance provided since bener marketing facilities in their States for inception of the scheme till 31 st March, 1989 the agricultural produce; is given in he slatement below. 225 Written Answers . CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 226 STATEMENT

State-wise Central Assistance Sanctioned for Development of Markets as on 31st March, 1989

51. No Name of the StatelU. Ts. Amount (Rs. in lakhs)

2 3

,. Andhra Pradesh 278.05

2. Assam 37.50

3 Bihar 1184.50

4. Goa, Daman & DIU 7.00

5. GUJarat 254.08

6. Haryana 439.00

7 Himachal Pradesh 73.90

8. Karnataka 495.94

9. Madhya Pradesh 880.00

10 Maharashtra 916.71

11. Orissa 301.87

12. Punjab 525.50

13 PondlCherry 1.50

14. Rajasthan 925.27

15. Tamil Nadu 109.80

16. Uttar Pradesh 688.62

17. West Bengal 87.50

Grand Total: 7513.49 (or say 7514) 227 Written Answers MARC~ 29, 1990 Written Answers 228

Survey by Central Institute of Coastal developed countries; and Engineering for Fisheries along Mahar- ashtra Coast (b) the steps taken by Government to encourage the farmers to use more fertiliz- 2721. SHRI ASHOK ANANDRAO ers for increasing the production of DESHMUKH: Will the Ministerof AGRICUL- foodgrains? TURE be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND ,a) whether the North-West Coast of MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI MClnarashtra was surveyed by the Central LAL): (a) The average consumption of fertil- Institute of Coastal Engineering for fisheries, . izers in the country is prOVisionally estimated for providing the best infrastructure fadlities to be 20.11 kg. per acre during 87-88 and for the fishermen of this region: and 25.25.kg. per acre during 88-89. The fertilizer consumption per ha. in India is lower (b) if so, the details of location selected than in many developed countries. It is, and when the work on these projects is likely however, higher than in Australia and Can- to start and completed? ada (statement is given beklw.)

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (b) Some of the steps taken by Govern- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI ment of India to encourage the farmers to LAL): (a) The Central Institute of Coastal use more fertilisers for increasing the pro- Engineering for Fisheries has not surveyed duction of foodgrains are listed below: the North-West coast. However, a Group was constituted in June, 1988 by the Ministry (i) The Urea and DAP manufacturers of Agriculture to Identify a suitable location have been directed to supply 10% for the development of a deep sea fishery of the fertilizer allocation in small harbour on the North-West Coast. bags so as to encourage fertiliser use in remote areas. (b) On the baSIS of the recommendations of the Group the Ministry of Agriculture (ii) State Governments have been have taken a decision!n principle to develop advised to exempt dealers upto 10. two deep sea fishery harbours, one at Agar- tonnes of fertilizer stocks from the danda in Maharashtra and the other at Okha requirement at registration certifi- in Gujarat, subject to the techno-economic cate. feasibility and the availability of resources in the Eighth Plan. (iii) Government of India is providing financial support for opening of retail [ Translation] outlets and laying out fertiliser use demonstrat;ons in rainted areas. Consumption of Fertilizers Farmers trainings are also being organisf)d. 2722. SHRI KESHARI lAL: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to (iv) Soil testing services have been state: strengthened to ensure ba1anced use of fertilizers. (a) the average consumption of fertiliz- . ers per acre in the country and how does it (v) Quality control facilities have been compare with the consumption in other strengthened to ensure supply of 229 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) WrittelJ Answers 230

standard fertilizers to the farmers. in taking realistic demand assess- . ment of fertilizers and for undertak- (vi) Fertiliser Industry IS being Involved ing fertilizer promotion work. STATEMENT

Fertiliser consumptIOn in India and other countries

SI No. Country Fertiliser Consumption ( 1987-88)· (N+P+K) kg. per acre

2 3

India 20.11

2 Canada 19.46

3 Australia 11.57

4. U.S.A 37.72

5. China 95.71

6 Japan 175.11

7 G.D.R 136.54

8 Italy 76.93

9 Netherland 278.39

10. United Kingdom 143.86

11. New Zealand 286.52

·s'ource: 1988 FAO Fertilizer Year Book, Vol. 39, FAO Rome.

[English] (a) whether Government have received complaints against the top management of Complaints against Management of Deihl transport Corporation regarding mis- OTe management, irregularities and malpractic.ds prevailing In the organisation: . 2723. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: (b) if so, the details thereof; SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saldpur): (c) whether Government nave InstI- . Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- tuted any inquiry agaInst the persons 1:1- PO~T be pleased to st~te: volved; 231 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 232

(d)" if so, the details thereof; and aggrieved parties filed writ petitions in 'the High Court of Delhi and in (e) the steps proposed to be taken to compliance with the court orders, improve the working of DTe? the operations of buses was restored and the show cause notice THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- would be served on them. PORT AND MINISTER OF C0tv1MUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to (ii) The two offi~rs whose officiating (e). Certain complamts received against the Pi omotions were not confirmed, and officers of D.T.e. as well as its functioning who were reverted had filed writ are detailed below:- petitions in the Delhi High Court against their non-confirmation in (i) Printing and distribution of tickets' the promoted posts. The case is with political slogans to the private subjudice. operators of the D.T.C. (iii) The Government is reviewing the (ii) Irregular promotIon of two senior performance of the DTC and its officers of the D.T.e. Management. The Government is also of the view that the olC needs (iii) Certain senior officers of D.T.C. total overhaul and steps are being h~ve managed to amend the D.T.C. taken in pursuance of these aims. regulations to bring In a provision of compulsory retirement so that in- Guidelines for Declaration of Assets by convenient officers/employees Union Ministers could be vIctimised. 2724. PROF. VlJAY KUMAR (IV) Allegations of corrupt practices, MALHOTRA: Will the Minister of HOME malpractIces. groupism. etc. AFF:AIRS be pleased to state: against two senior officers of the D.T.e. (a) whether Government have issuea any fresh guiqelines for declaring the assets (v) Alleged victimisation of honest and (both movable and immovable) by the Union efficient officers by manipulation of Ministers; and senior officers of D.T.C. (b) if so, the details thereof? Governmenl has not instituted any enquiry against the officers concerned. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Report of the management of the D. T. C. has \3HRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) been obtained and position in respect of the No, Sir. complaints IS given below: (b) Does not arise, (i) On receipt of complaints against using tickets bea'ring political sy'm- Non-Provision of Jobs In Thai Valshat bol, operations of some private Project buses were suspended, notices of termination were issued and ulti- 2725. SHRI A.A. ANlULAY: Will the mately the buses were disengaged Minister of AGRlCULTYRE be pleased to from the DTC operations. The state: 233 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 234

(a) whether the people living in and Jute bags for setting up ancillary industries. A around the Thai Valshet Project in Mahar- senior IFFCO officer ~as been entrusted ashtra are agitated over non-provision of With the task of coordination and develop- jobs in the prOject to the sons of the soil; and ment of these ancillaries.

(b) If SO, the steps taken for prOViding IFFCO Fertilizer Factory at Aonla, U.P. jobs to those families and their members whose agricultural lands have been taken 2727. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Willthe over for the construction of Thai Valshet MInister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to Project? state

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (a) whether It IS proposed to inaease MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI the production capacity of IFFCO fertilizer LAl): (a) and (b). Some of the persons who factory at Aonla In Uttar Pradesh: and do not qualify to be treated as project affected persons have been agitating for (b) If so, when and If not, the reasons employment. Since the Job opportunrtles In therefor? the Thal-Valshet plant have come to a satu- ration point, these persons have been told THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND that It may be poSSible to conSider emplOYing MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI them only when further expansion ~akes lAL)· (a) and (b). Yes, Sir, there is a pro- place. Technical training has also been of- posal to double the capacity of the gas based fered to t,-,e local people so as to rmprove 1350/2200 tonnes per day ammonia/urea their prospects for employment plant of IFFCO at Aonla. The time frame for the Implementation of the proposed expan- [ Trans/ation] sion project Will be about 30 months from the zero date. Ancillary Industries In IFFCO Factory at Aonla [English]

2726. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH· Will the Telephone System in Calicut City Minister Of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: 2728. SHRI K. MURAlEEDHARA"N: Will the Mlntster of COMMUNICATIONS be (a) whether anCillary industries have pleased to state: been developed In IFFCO Fertilizer factory at Aonla, district Bareilly. (a) whether Government are aware that the telephone system In Calicut city is gener- - (b) if not, the ~ea~ns therefor: and ally out of order:

(c) the steps pfQPQSed to be taken for (b) whether Government are also aware the development of ancillary industries there? that the telephone directory issued there to subsCribers IS full of mistakes of numbers THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND and addresses: and MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAL): (a) to (c). The Aonla unit of IFFCO has (c) If so, the measures taken by Gov- identified a numberof items including chemi- ernment tor Improving Telephone system in cals. hght engineering and HDPE/laml"ated Cahcut cIty? .235 Written AnSWBfS MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 236

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI TIONS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) LAL): (a) to (e). The Government's attention' . Telephone system in Calicut city IS now has been drawn to the need to adopt a functioning normally and its performance is Charter on Animal Rights. The details of regularly watched. animal rights are given in the statement below. (b) Telephone Director,.. 10r Calicut Secondary Switching Area consIsting o~ It IS doubtful whether the Charter on Calicut. Malappuram and ~Vynad dIstricts animal rights has beeR enacted by .any corrected upto 31.10.89 wa5 rel'?cl::-ective solution unless, those are fortified wIth public awareness. With the concerted Charter on Animal Rights ·offorts, of the National Government, the State Governments and the Union Territory Ad- 2729. SHRI PRATAPRA'O B. mi~istrations, if it is possible to increase BHOSAlE:' Will the Minister of AGRICUL- awareness among Rublic, especially chil- TURE be pleased to state: dren on the importance of compassion, the objectives of the Charter on Anima! Rights (a) whether Government's attentIOn are likely to be fulfilled. It is stated that the has been dr~n to the need to adopt a Governments will continu.e to do everything charter on animal rights: possible for profTlotion of animal welfare.

STATEMENT (b) if so, the details thereof; Details of Animal Rights Universal Decla- (c) whether Government ha'je taken ration of the Rights of Animals any action in the matter: r:, lal text, aqopted by the International (d) !f so. the details ther~f: and f"I'lgue tnr Animal Rights and affiliated na- ;·v, alleaguas on the accession of the Third ee} if not. the reasons therefor? Intern ~tional Meeting on the Rights of Ani- 237 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answ8IS 238- mals (london, 21-23 September 1977). The inhumanely exploit other Declaration, proclaimed on 15th October ~nimals. It is his duty to use 1978 by the international league, affiliated ,his knowledge for the wel- leagues, associations and individuals who fare of animals. wish to be associated with it, will be submit~ ted to the United Nations Educational, Sci- 3. All animals have the right to entific and Cultural Organisation the attention, care and pro- (U.N.E.S.C.O.). and then to the United Na- ·taction of man. tions Organisation ~U.N.O.). Article 3. 1 . No animal shall be ill treated PREAMBLE or be subject to cruel acts.

Whereas all animal have nghts, 2. H an animal has to be killed, this must be instantaneous Whereas disregard and contempt for the and without distress. rights of animals have resulted and continue to result in crimes by man Article 4. 1. ·AII wild animals have the against nature and against animals. right to libefty in their natural environment. whether land, Whe'reas recognition by the human sPeaes air or wate!. and be allowed of the right to existence of other to procreate. animal species is the foundation of the co-existence of species 2. Deprivation of freedom. throughout the animal world. even for educational pur~ poses, is an infringemen~ of Whereas genocide has been perpetrated by this right. man on animals and the threat of genocide continues. Article 5. Animals of species living traditionally in a human Whereas respect for animals is linked to the environment have the .right respect of man for men, to live and grow at the rhyt~m and under the conditions of Whereas from childhood -man should be life and freedom peculiar to taught to observe. understand, their species. respect and love animals. 2. Any interference by man ~h It is hereby proclaimed~ this rhythm or these conditions for purposes of gain is Article 1. All animals are born with an an infringement of this right. equal claim on life and the same rights to existence. Article 6. 1 . A" companion animals have th~ right to complete their Article 2. 1. All animals are entitled to .naturallife span. respect. 2. AbandQnment of an -animal 2. Man as an animal species is a cruel and degrading act. shall not arrogate to himself the right to exterminate or Article 7. All w·)rking ammals are en- 239 Written Answers . MARCH 29, 1990 Wriften AnslV8IS 240

titled to a reasonable limita- 2. Scenes of violence· involv- tion of the duration and in- ing animals shall be banned tensity of their work. to the from cioema and television, necessary nourishment ar.d except for human education. to rest. Article 14. 1. Representatives of move- Article 8. 1. Animal experimentation ments that defend animal involving physical or psycho- rights should have an effec- logical suffering is incom- tive voice at all levels of patible with the right of ani- government. mals, whether it be for scientific, medical, commercial 2. The rights of animals, like or any other form of re- human rights, should enjoy search. the protection of law.

2. Replacemeht methods must Reservation of Seats for Women In be used ana developed. Panchayats

Article 9. Where animals are used in 2730. KUMARI UMA BHARATI: the food industry they shall SHRIMATIJAYAWANTI NAV- be reared. transported. INCHANDRA MEHTA: lairaged and killed without SHRIMATI SUMITRA MA- the infliction of suffering. HAJAN:

Article 10. 1. No animal shall be exploited Will the Mmister of AGRICULTURE !:>e for the amusement of man. pleased to state:

2. Exhibitions and spectacles . (a) whether any provision ;s proposed involving animals are incom- to be made in the legislation being comtem- patible with their dignity. plated for Panchayat Raj of seats for women ; (b) if so, the details thereof; Article 11. Any act involving the wan- (c) on what basis the percentage of ton killing of. an ammal is reservation would be determined; and genocide, that IS, a crime against the species. Cd) whentheprooosed legislation would be brought forward? Article 12. 1 . Any act involving mass killing of wild animals is geno- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER ANu cide. that is. a crime against MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEV' the species LAl): (a) to (d). The matter is under consideration of the Government.

2. Pollution or destrudion of Defects in Construction of I.S.B.T. the natural environment Bridge leads to genocide. 2731. &HRI BAlESHWAR YADAV: Article 13. 1. Dead antmals shall be WiU the Minister of SURF I ' - TRANSPORT treated with respect. be pleased to state: 241 Written-Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSWEIIS 242

(a) whether defects were detected in Consultants were also appointed for th-e construction of .SBT bridge, and the carrying out end-ro-end surveys of the oper- contractor has been changed due to these ating units of Namrup-I and II, Barauni arxl faults; Durgapur of HFC and Its Haldia fertilizer project. Revamping of Nitro-phosphategroup' (b) if so, _whether Government have of plants of the Haldia project has been taken any other action against the contractor approved in principle. responsible for these -defects; and NucJearTests (c) if so, the details thereof and if notthe reasOns therefor? 2733. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: Will the Minister of EXTER- NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (a) whether Government are aware that TIONS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) some International physicians organisations The Delhi Administration who is constructing for prevention of nuclear war have appealed the bridge near Int~r-State Bus Terminus did ·to the Super Powers to declare a permanent not change the contractors due to defects In cease fire to nuclear testing causing mas- construction work but because of stow prog- sive environmental contamination; ress. (b) if so, the reaction of Government of (b) and (c). Do not arise. IndIa thereto: and

Action taken on Recommendations of (c) whether Government of India pr0- Task Force on FCI and HFC pose to place her views before the Super Powers for the preservation of environment 2732_ SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA and public health safety? MURTHY: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- TURE be pleased to state the action taken on the rtK:ommendatio~s of Task Force on THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- the working of Fertilizer cOrporation of India FAIRS (SHRI I.K GWRAL): (a) Govern- and Hindustan Fertilizer Corporation? ment are aware that the well-known organi- zation, the International PhysiCians for the THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Prevention of Nuclear War, in an appeal MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRIOEVI addressed to all the nuclear weapon States. LAL): SeveraJ steps for improving the per- issued at its 9th Wortd Congress held in formance of the units of Fertilizer Corpora- Hiroshima on October 10, 1989 called tor the tion of India (FC.I) and Hindustan Fertilizer immediate cessation of nuclear testing to Corporation (HFC) have been taken in the halt the nUctear arms race. The appeal also light of the· recommendations of the Task included, inter-alia. a call for the conversion Force. Proposals for revamping of Gora- of secret nuclear laboratories into open sci- khpur plant and rehabilitation of Ramagun- entific institutions to redirect their efforts dam plant alongwith a captive power plant towards environmental problems and a 50 are at an advanced stage of consideration. percent reduction of global military spending While the Ioss-making Sindri Rationalisation to help achieve the World Health Organisa- plant of FC. has been ·closed its Korba proj- tion Programme of 'Health for Air by the year ect has been decided to be wound up. 2000.. 243 Written AnSwelS MARCH 29, 1990 Written Ans_1S 244

(b) and (c). Government of India have Districtwise details are being collected and consistently advocated a total ban on the will be laid on the Table of the House. testing of nuclear weapons by all nuclear weapon States in all environments. Govern- Applications for New Telephone Connec- ment have continued to press for the com- - tlons In Tumkur and Bangalore Districts mencement of negotiations on a c:ompre- of Kamataka hensivetest ban treaty (CTBn. and pending this, an immediate moratorium on all nuclear 2735. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ: Will testing, as a first step towards a CTBT, both the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be in multilateral fora and its bilateral contacts. pleased to state:

Ban on Opening of New Post Offices (a) the number of applications for telephone connections from T umkur and Ban- 2734. SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Will galore districts of Karnataka still pending; the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) the average number of fresh regrs- (a) whether the ban on the opening of tration for telephone connections per month new post offices still continues; from each of these two districts; (b) ~ not, when was the ban lifted; (c) the rate 01 clearance per month of (c) the number of new post offices these applications; and opened in Orissa since then; and (d) the details thereof, district-wise? (d) the action taken by Government to clear the backlog? THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- and (b). There is no ban on opening of post TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): off!ces. However, in view of withdrawal of powers from Administrative Departmentsl (a) Tumkur District 1612 out of Ministries to sanction posts since 1984, which 1205 in Tumkur city. concurrence of Ministry of Finance is required for opening of new post offices. Bangalore District 49682 out of (c) and (d). The number of new post which 46616 in Bangalore city. offices opened in Orissa during the Seventh Plan period, upto31.12.1989, is as follows:- (b) 100 out of which 77 in Tumkur city. 1985-86 Nil 1 700 out of which 1504 in 1986-87 Nil Bangalore city. 1987-88 16 (c) (Average for 1ge9~90) 1988-89 152 ~ 1500 1989-90 18 Cupto 31.12.1989) Cd) To dear the backlog. electronic exchange of 3500 lines has been planned at Total 186 Tumkur in the middle of 8th Five Year Plan 245 Writt6'n Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 246 and about 1.5lakh electro·nic exchaAge lines (b) whether Government propose to (gross) addition of capaGity has been planned establish a coconut or oil palm research in Bangalore district during the 8th Five Year centre, especially in Turnkur district of Kar- Plan. This IS subject to the approyal of plans nataka? and availability of resources. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND S.T.D. Facility in Karnataka MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAL): (a) Sir, Crabs are known to cause 2736. SHRI G.S. 8ASAVARAJ: Will minordamagetococonuts, onty in. And am an the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be & Nioobar Islands. No statistical survey has pleased to state: been done.

(a) the names of districts In Karnataka (b) There is a proposal to set up a where STD facility is available: N.ational Research Centre for Oil palm dur- Ing the VIII Plan.' No decision regarding its (b) the names of the districts rn Kama- location has been taken. taka which do not have STD facllrty so far, and [ Trans/ation]

(c) the time by whICh STD facilrty Will be Agitations for Separate States proVided there? 2738. SHRI RAM LAl RAHI: Will the Minister of HOME 'AFFAIRS be pteased to THE MINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- state: PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) (a) whether Union Government are Bangalore. Bangalore (Rural). 8elgaum. aware that In many States agitations are Sellary, Bldar, Bljapur. Chickmagalur. Chl- gOing on for creation of separate States; and tradurga. Dharwad. Gulberga. Hassan. Karwar. Kolar. Madlkere (Mercara). Man- (b) if so, the views of the Union Govern- dya, Mangalore. Mysore. Raichur, Shlmoga. ment thereon? Tumkur. .THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) NIL (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) Question does not anse. (b) The Government's view on such demands has been that regicnal imbalances Crab disease in Coconut and Oil Palm and economic backwardness Which, basi- Trees cally, give rrse to such agitations should be tackled through the mechanism of planning 2737. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ: Will and rapid development. the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: InvQlvemant of Delbi Police OffIcials In Corruption Cases (a) the exlent of COCOl')ut and oil palm trees affected by crab disease In the country 2739. SHRI RAMLAl' RAHI: Wdl the as per statistical survey· oonducted. by the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to India'} Council of Agricultural Research: and state~ 247 Written AnSW91S MARCH 29, 1~90 Written Answers 248

(a> "the number of Delhi Police Officials THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- found involved in corruption on the basis of PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- investigation by the Vigilance Department TION~ (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) . during 1989; and No, Sir .

(b) the number of such officials against (b) Not applicable. ir1 view of (a) above. . whom action has been taken? Targets for Production of Crops THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRt MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) 2741. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the ~ (b). On the basis of investigation made Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to by Vigilance Branch of Delhi Police, 56 offi- state: cials ~re found involved in cases of corruption. Suitable disciplinary/departmental ac- (a) the targets fixedforthe production of tion has been initiated against all of them. various crops for the year 1988-89 and 1989- 90; [English] (b) what had been the actual yield .of Dead Telephones in South Deihl each crop;

')740 PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will the (c) whether the production has ex- Mir.i5;er of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased ceeded the targets: and '0 s~ale: (d) if not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether a large number of telephones in South Delhi UAder the Okhla Exchange remained dead for well over twenty THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND days since the mi~le of February, this year; MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI and LAL): (a) and (b). The targets and achievements of various crops during 1988-89 and (b) if so, the reasons for the delay in the targets for 1989-90 are given ·below:- repairing the telephones? 249 Written Answ91S CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Writt9n Answ91S 250

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(c) and (d). The targets have been ing period of apprentice- exceeded for most of the crops during 1988- ship. 89. The figures for the actual yield of each crop during 1989-90 are not yet available. vi) Reduction of staff.

Strike by Employees of Paradeep vii) Accommodation facility Phosp' .ates Limited for contract labour.

2742. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the viii) Action against the Deputy Minister 01 AGR'CUlTURE be pleased to General Manager (Main- state: tenance) for alleged misbehaviour w~h the Gen- (a) whether the employees of Par- eral Secretary of the Un- adeep Phosphates Limited had gone on an ion. indefinite strike recently in support of their nine point charter of demands; ix) Restoration of the privileges withdrawn and (b) whether the strike has since been removal of anomalies in called off after due negotiations between the the pay grades. workers and the management; and (2) The Government of Orissa (c) if so, the details of their demand and have referred the demands the action taken to meet them? relating to formulation of promotion policy, accommoda- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND tion facility for contract labour MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI and removal of anomalies in LAL): (a) Yes, Sir. the pay grades for adjudica- tion to the Industrial Tribunal. (b) The strike was called off by the In respect of the remaining Union unconditionally. demands, the stand of Par- adeep Phosphates Limited (c) (1) The demands made by the has been as under: employees' Union were as follows: i) The Company has not made any prof~ as pro- i) Payment of bonus/grant vided under the Payment of ex-gratia payment for of Bonus Act and, there- the year 1988-89. fore, neither bonus norex- gratia payment is justified. li) Wage settlement. ii) The management had iii) Fermulation of promotion proposed wage negotia- policy for the workmen. tions as early as Septem- ber 15, 1989. A numberof iv) Canteen facility for con- workers have, however, tract labour. resigned from the Union and action to start nego- v} Review of policy on train- tiations can now be taken 255 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written AnswelS 256

only after the position (a) the measures adopted by Govern- crystallses. ment to solve the prevailing serious drinking water problem in Banda, 'Hamirpur, Jhansi., . iii) ProvIsion for canteen Jalaun, Lalitpur anc Allahabad districts in facility for contract labour ~ndelkhand division in Uttar Pradesh and is the responsibility of the Rew~ ,Satna, Chhatarpur and Tikamgarh contractors. Management districts of Madhya Pradesh; has provided building for canteen for contract labour to be managed by (b) whether supply of drinking water the contractors. All con- has been ensured through bullock carts, tract labourers are ex- truck tankers, tractors and trains as a tempo- pected to avail this facil- rary solution of the problem and if not, the ity. reasons therefor;

IV) The training penod of apprentices cannot be (c) whether arrangements have been made the subject matter made to instal hand pumps on a large scale; of industrial disputes. (d) whether Government have formu- v) There has not been any lated any new comprehensive schemes for reduction In the staff and the permanent solution of the problem and if In fact the management is so, the time by which these schemes are filling up vacancies. likely to- be completed; and

vi) Action against. manager (e) if not, the time by which such for alleged misbehaviour schemes win be formulated and imple- cannot be the subject of mented? industrial dispute.

vii) The dispute regarding THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND withdrawal of privileges MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI was raised earlier by the LAL): (a) The measures adopted by the Union and already cov- Government include conservation of water, ered by the conciliation tapping of ground water, deepening and failure report which has cleaning of wells, blasting of tubewells, pro- been disposed off by the vid ing deep tube wells with with hand pumpsi Government of Orissa. power pU.mps.

I Translat;on] In addition, following schemesfoT urban water supply have also been teel:'tRicany Drinking Water Problem In Uttar approved by Government of India:- Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh

2743. SHRI RAM SAJIWAN: Will the 1. Jhansi-Babina Water Supply proj- M1nister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to ect in Uttar Pradesh at an esti- state: mated cost of Rs. 67.26 crores. 257 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 258

2. Chattarpur Water Supply Scheme by the end of the Seventh Plan. The problem in Madhya Pradesh at an estimated villages w~ich will spill over to the VIII Plan in cost of Rs. 14.28 crores. Uttar Pradesh are likely to be covered in the first two years of the VIII Plan. 3. Satna Water Supply Scheme in Madhya Pradesh at an estimated [Eng/ish] cost of Rs. 3.688 crores. Review of Working of Central Police 4. Rewa Water Supply project in Organisations Madhya Pradesh at an estimated cost of As. 5.29 crores. 2744. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Government of India had also approved ceiling of expenditure of Rs. 7.902 crores to the State of Uttar Pradesh towards drought (a) whether Government propose to relief assistance for mak:ng drinking water undertake a review of working of all Central supply arrangements in the scarcity affected Police Organisations with a view to stream- areas ofthe State for period dunng 31.3.1990. lining and rationalising these organisations; Similarly, ceiling of expenditure of Rs. 8.54 crores was approved to the State of Madhya (b) if so, the details thereof; and Pradesh for the. period December, 1989 to March, 1990. (c) the time by which such reviews are likely to be completed? (b) Yes, Sir.

(c) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) to (c). Review of the functioning of Police (d) and (e). Comprehensive schemes Organisations is an ongoing process. Meas- for sustained supply of safe drinking water In ures to make the Organisations more effec- rural areas are formulated and implemented tive are taken as and when necessary. There under the State Sector Minimum Needs is no proposal to undertake a special review~ Programme, Centrally Sponsored Acceler- ated Rural Water Supply Programme. The Mini Mission project areas of Shahdol, Jhabua Armed Gangs from Sri Lanka in Tamil and Rajgarh in Madhya Pradesh and Sul- Nadu tanpur, Mirzapur, Agra and Unnao in Uttar Pradesh have been taken up under the 2745. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: National Drinking Water Mission. All the SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- problem villages (PVs) are likely to be cov- CHANDRAN: ered either partially or ful!V in Madhya Pradesh by 31.3.1990 except 155 PVs which are Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be tkely to be covered dunng 1990-91. As pleased to state: regards Uttar Pradesh, except 755 problem VIllages in the 4 hilly dlStrtctS, all other problem villages are likely to be covered fully or (a) whether Government are awc..rethat partially with the safe drinkIng wah~r facilities some armed gangs from Sri Lankc"! ,avIS 259 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written AnswelS 260 entered Tamil Nadu in large numbers; and [ Translation]

(b) if so, the details thereof and the Communal Riots steps taken by Government to tackle the situation? 2746. SHRI GULAB CHAND KATARIA: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) and (b). There is no information of infiltration Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be of large number of armed gangs from Sri pleased to state: lanka in Tamil Nadu. However, on the inter- vening night of February 18/19. 1990. 15 (a) the details of communal riots which armed persons clalmmg to be Sri Lankan took place in the country during the last three Tamil militants, forced their way through a months, State-wise and month-wise: and check post In Ramnathpuram district and when challenged opened fire killing one police (b) the estimated loss of life and prop- constable and a cIvilian and injuring 15 oth- erty therein? ers including 11 police personnel. In this connection three cases have been regis- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS tered and are being investigated by the State (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) Pohce. One person was also arrested. All and (b). On the basis of available informa- appropriate measures have also been taken tion, the particulars of communal riots which to deal wIth the sItuatIon artSlng out of Influx occurred in the country during the last three of Sri Lankan Tamil refugees. months are as under:-

--~------Place and date No. of persons killed Estimated loss of property of occurrence

BIHAR:

Dhaka 2 (East Cl"lamparan) (27th Feb.)

Simari, 8akhtlarpur Saharsa :27th Feb.)

GUJARAT:

Ahmedabad 3 (27th Feb.)

Surat (Feb. 27) 261 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, ... 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 262

Place and date No. of persons killed Estimated loss of property of occurrence

RAJASTHAN:

Ladnun, 4 Rs. 2.50 lakhs District Nagaur (16th Dec. 89)

Pending Applications for Telephone since when the applications in some of the Connections in P.ajasthan major exchanges are pending are also given In the statement below. 2747. SHRIGULABCHAND KATARIA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b) The main reason is shortage of pleased to state: switching equipment.

(a) the number of applications for tele- (c) Plan proposals have been drawn to phone connections Pending exchange-wise provide telephones. in Rajasthan and since when: i) on demand in exchanges of (b) the reasons tor the delay In releas- capacity less than 5000 lines ing telephone connections: and

(c) the steps proposed to be taken to ii) to contain waiting list to one clear the backlog; and year period for exchanges of capacity more than 5000 lines. (d) the action plan for 1990 In thiS regard? This is subject to approval of plans and timely availability of equipments.

THE MIN ISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (d) Action Plan has been made to PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- augment the telephone exchanges gross TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) switching capacity by 30,000 lines during The statement is given below. The dates 1990--91.

STATEMENT

DISTRICT: AJMER

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

2 3

1. Ajmer 2374

2. Arain 2 263 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written AnswelS 264 ....

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

2 3

3. Babaicha

4. Baghera

5. Bandanwara

6. Barna

7. Beawar 148

8. Bhadoon

9. Bhagsun 3

10. Bhandarsindn 5

11. Bhanwta 7

12. Bhatiyam 5

13. Bhinay

14. Govindgarh

15. Harmara

16. Jawaja

17. Junia 3

18. Kadel

19. Kadera

20. Karkedi

21 Kekri 10

22. Kherwa

23. Madanganj 108

24. Mangalwas 2 265 Written Answel5 CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW815 266

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

25. Masooda

26. Nasirabad 6

27. Pisagaon

28. Pashkar 5

29. Rajgarh 2

30. Ramsar

31. Roopangarh 6

32. Salemabad

33. Saradhana

34. Sarwar 3

35. Sawar 4

36. Srinagar

37. Sursura 3

38. Tantoti 2

39. Thanwala

40. Todgarh

41. Vijaynagar 16

Total: 2720

DISTRICT: ALWAR

1. Ajarka

2. Akbarpur

3. Alawada 267 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 268

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

1 2 3

4. Alwar 784

5. Bahadurpur

6. Bamboli

7. Bansur

8. Barodameo

9. Barrod

10. Behror

11. Bhanokar

12. Bhindusi

13. Bhiwadi 60

14. Bibirani

15. Gandala

16. Gharisawairam

17. Gothra

18. Govlndgarh

19. Hamirpur

20. Harsoli

21. Harsora

22. Ismailpur

23. Jatbehror

24. Jeenodoli

25. Kathumar 269 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 270

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

2 3

26. Khairthal 26

27. Khanpurmewan

28. Kherli 36

29. Kishangarhbas

30. Kotkasim

31. Lannangarh

32. Machan

33. Malakhera

34. Mandawar

35. Mandhan

36. MIA Alwar

37. Narampur

38. Nogaon

39. Partapgarh

40. Pin an

41. Rajgarh

42. RaJpur

43. Rajwada

44. Ramgarh

45. Rampul (Kasba)

46. Reni

47. Sahadoli 271 Written Answers MARCH 29. 1990 Written Answers 272

51. No. Name of Exchange • Waiting List Total

2 3

48. Sariska

49. ShahJahanpur 6

50. Sodawal

51. Tahl?

52. Tapukara

53. Tatarpur

54. Thanagazl

55. TUJara

56. Unram

Total: 912

DISTRICT: BANSWARA

1. Anandpurt

2. Arthoona

3. Bagldora 7

4. Banswara 609

5. Barr (Lalpura)

6 Barodrya

7. Chhota Dungra

8. Ghatol

9. Jolana

10. Kushalgarh 3

Lonar'Va 2 273 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answen; 274

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

12. Partapur 27

13. Talwara

Total: 645

DISTRICT BARMER

1. Asara

2. Bartoo 3

3. Balotra 770

4. Barmer 179

5. Chahatan 4

6. Dhonmana

7. Gadra Road

8. Guaemalanl

9. Kalyanpura

10. Kanana

11. Kawas

12. Malal

13. Mokalsar

14. Pachpadra 7

15. Padroo

16. Patodl

17. Rakhl

18. Samdan 7 275 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 276

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

19. Sheoganga

20. Sindhari

21. Siwana

Total: 973

DISTRICT: BHARA TPUR

1. Bayana 3

2. Bharatpur 555

3. Bhusawar 2

4. Chhokarwara 2

5. Oeeg 3

6. Halena 2

7. Jeerahera

8. Kanan

9. Kucf'\er 4

10. Nadhai 4

11. Nagar 6

12. Pahari

13. Rasiya 5

14. Rudewal

15. Rupbas

16. Seekrj 3 277 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 278

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

1 2 3

17. Uchetail

18. Weir

Total: 590

DIS TRIer: BHIL WARA

1. ASInd 3

2. Banera

3. Bhilwara 2347

4. Blpi

5. BiJoltyankalan 5

6. Gangapur 2

7. Gulabpura

8. Hameergarh 3

9. Jahazpur

10. Koshithal 3

11. Kotrt 3

12. Mahuwa

13. Mandai 4

14. Mandalgarh

15. Parasoli

16. Potlan

17. Raipur 2

18. Rajajikakhera 279 Written Answers MARCH 29. 1990 Wrlften AnswetS 280

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting list Total

1 2 3

19. Raylaroad 12

/20. Roopabeli 2

21. Seegoli

22. Shahpur 12

23. Shashoogarh 2

Total: 2403

DISTRICT: BIKANER

1. Bikaner 2216

2. Chhatragarh 6

3. Deshnok

4. Hlmatsar

5. Jasrasar

6. Kaloo 2

7. KhaJuwala 6

8. Lunkaranser 5

9 Mahajan

10. Napaser 1

11. Nokha 27

12. Srikolayatji 6

13. Udkamsar

Total: 2270 281 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 282

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

DISTRICT: BHILWARA

1. Asind 3

2. Banera

3. Bhilwara 2347

4. Bip;

5. Bijoliyankalan 5

6. Gangapur 2

7. Gulabpura

8. Hameergarh 3

9. Jahazpur

10. Koshithal 3

11. Kotri 3

12. Mahuwa

13. Mandai 4

14. Mandalgarh

15. Parasoli

16. Potlan

17. Raipur 2

18. Rajajikakhera

19. Raylaroad 12

20. Roopabeli 2

21. Seego" 283 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnsW81S 284

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

22. Shahpur 12

23. Shashoogarh 2

Total: 2403

DISTRICT: CHITTORGARH

1. Abola

2. Arnad 2

3 Panmpohera

4. Paravarda 2

5. Pansadn

6. BassI 2

7. Begun

8. Phadesar

9. Bhoopalsagar

10. Chhohsadrt

11. Chrttaorgarh 429

12. Dlndolt 2

13. Dungle

14. Gang ran 4

15. Kanora

f6. Kapasan 4

17. Mandpeye 1

18. Nang al wa 2 285 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written AnsWflIS 286

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

19. Nikoon 3

20. Ninbahare '15

21. Pratapgarh 18

22. Roshim

23. Rawalbatra 73

24. Sewa 3

25. Shanbhoopura 2

26. Singhpur

Total: 672

DISTRICT: BUNDI

1. 8lJndi 175

2. Dabi

3. Hel

4. Hindoli

5. Karprain

6. Reshoraipatan

7. Lalheri

8. Nairwa ... *- 9. TaJ9ra

Total: 175

DISTRICT: CHURU

1. Bidasar 287 Wrilten AllswelS MARCH 29,1990 Written AnsMHS 288

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

2 3

2. Chhapar

3. Churu 84

4. Doodwakh

5. Memasar

6. Nangalbari

7. Parihara

8. Pulassar

9. Rajalaesar

10. Ratan Nagar

11. Ratangarh 32

12. Sadulpur 23

13. Sa lava

14. Salasar

15. Sardarshshar 50

16. Sidhmukl

17. Sridangangarh 10

18. Sidser

19. Sujangarh 7

20. Taronagar

Total: 209

DIS TRier: DHOLPUR

1. Barl 289 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 290

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

2. Baseri 4

3. Dholpur 10

4. Maniyan 2

5. Raja Khera

6. Sarnathura 4

7. Taseemo

Total: 25

DISTRICT: DUNGARPUR

1. Aspur

2. Bankora

3. Bichhiwara

4. Chikh

5. Dungarpur 144

6. Galiyakot 4

7. Khargda

8. Padli (Gantri)

9. Phaloz

10. Sabia 2

11. Sagwara 15 l 12. Seemalwara 3

Total: 169 291 Written AnSMHS MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnSwelS\ 292

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

1 2 3

DISTRICT: JAIPUR

1 Achrol 13

2. Alooda

3. Amber 133

4. Badhal

5. Badiyal Kalan

6. Bagru 51

7. Bandikui 11

8. Baneti

9. Banskho

10. BassI 2'>

11. Baswa

12. Bhadwa 2

13. Bhandarej

14. Bichoon

15. Boraj 4

16. Chaksu 6

17. Chharda

18. Chittora Renwal

19. Chomu 58

20. Oaulatpura 7

21. Dausa 72 293 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 294

SI. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

22. Dhanklya 29

23. Dudu 5

24. Durgapura 1020

25. GeeJgarh

26. Gonera

27. Govlndgarh 4

28. Hlngonlya 4

29. Jalpur 6 Unit 20289

30. Jalpur 7 Unit

31. Jartpura 30

32. Jawaharnagar 474

33. Jetwara

34. Jhag

35. Jhetwara 1005

36. Jobner 4

37. Kaladera

38. Kalwad 6

39. Kanota 36

40. Karansar

41. Katliwas 7

42. Khara Blsal 17

43. Khejroli 16 295 Written AnswelS MARCH 29. 1990 Written AnswelS 296

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

2 3

44. Kotputli 37

45. Lalsot 5

46. Lawan

47. Madhoraj Pura 2

48. Mahapura 26

49. Mahlan 7

50. Mandawari

51. Mandha

52. Manoharpur 4

53. Mansarover 1027

54. Mauzamabad

55. Naraina

56. Nareda

57. Nayla

58. Paota 8

59. Paparda

60. Phagi 5

61. Phulera 4

62. Ramgarh Pachwa

63. Rampura 25

64. Renwal

65. Rungtapura 297 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Writt6n Answ91S 298

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

1 2 3

66. Sainthal 4

67. Sambhar Lake 2

68. Sanod

69. Sanganeri Gate 11845

70. Shahpura 16

71. Shivdaspura 11

72. Sikandra

73. Sikrai

74. Toonga

75. Viratnagar

76. Vishwakara 446

77. Watka 2

Total: 36808

DISTRICT: JAISALMER

,. Jaiselmer 80

2. Lathi

3. Nachna

4. Pokaran

5. Ramdeora

Total: 80

DIS TRICT: JALORE

1. Ahore 2 299 Wnlten AnSW91S MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 300

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

2. Bagora

3. Bagra 5

4. Bakra Road 11

5. Balwara

6. Bargaon

7. Bh.nmal 62

8. Bhute Kavarda 2

9. BJshangarh 15

10. Chandral

11. Choran

12. Oaspan

13. Gurhabalotan

14. Haaecna

15. Jalore 99

16. Jaswanrpura

17. Jeewana

18. Jhab

19. Malwara

20. Mandanwala

21. Posana

22. Rama 4

23. Ramseen 301 Written AnSwelS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answets 302

SI. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

24. Raniwara 7

25. Rewtra

26. Sanchore 7

27. Sayla

28. Siyana 2

29. Tawab

30. Tiloda 2

31. Uhmedabad

Total: 224

DISTRICT: JHALWARA

1. Ablera

2. Bhawani Mandi

3. Chaumehla

4. Oag

5. Jhalawar

6. Jhalrapatan 7

7. Khanpur 13

8. Nanoharthana

9. Peerawa

10. Raipur

11. Sunel

Total: 20 303 Written Answef5 MARCH 29, 1990 Wliten AnsW91S 304

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

DISTRICT: JHUNJHUNU

1. Alsisar

2. Babai

3. Baggar

4. Baragaon

5. Binjusar

6. Bissau

7. Chirana

8. Chirawa 24

9. Chirawa 5

10. Cudha Gorjika 3

11. Jhunjhunu 180

12. Khetri Copper 9

13. Khetri Town

14. Malsisar

15. Mandawa 11

16. Mukandgarh 5

17. Mandrella

18. Nawalgarh 6

19. Nua 6

20. Parasraa Pura

21. Ponkh 305 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW9IS 306

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

1 2 3

22. Sultana

23. Surajgarh

24. Taakor

25. Udaipurwati 3

Total: 253

DISTRICT: JODHPUR

1. Aau

2. Asop

3. Balarwa 12

4. Balesar 2

5. Sanar 11

6. Sadri 3

7. Bap 6

8. Basni 349

9. Belwa 2

10. Bhopalgarh 7

11. Bilara 18

12. Bisalpur

13. Boroonda 18

14. Choukha 3

15. Dhandhora

16. Ghewra 8 307 Written Ar..JW91S MARCH 29. 1990 Writt6I'J AnsMHS 308

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

17. Gurha Vishanoyan 6

18. Jhanwar

19. Jodhpur 7739

20. Jodhpur 1160

21. Jodhpur

22. Khabrakhurd 5

23. Khariya Meethapur

24. Khartya Khangar 2

25. Lohawat

26. LUni

27. Mandore 221

28. Marwar Mathanra 28

29. Oslan

30. Phalodi 29

31. PiparClty 19

32. Ransigaon 8

33. Salawas

34. Setrawa

35. Shergarh 2

36. TIOwan 25

Total: 968 309 Written Answers CHAIl"RA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 310

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

2 3

DISTRICT. KOTA

1. Antah 23

2. Atru

3. Baran 269

4 Bhanwargar~

5. Chhabra

6. Chhlpa Barod

7 Daran

8 Itawa

9. Kathu

10. Kanvas

11. Kalwara

12. KlshanganJ

13. Kota 3744

14. Mangrol

15. Modak

16. Ramgan}amandl 34

17. Sa\pura

18. Sangod 2

19. Saewah

'2.0. Su¥..e\

21. Sultanpur 311 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 312

SLNo. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

22. Sumerganj Mandi

Total: 407

DISTRICT: NAGAUR

1. DEGA Badlkhatu

'l £.. BAWA Bad~o 6

3. NAGA Basnl

4. NAWA Besroll 3

5. NAWA Bidlyad 20

6. NAGA Blds~

7. DEED Chhotlkhatu 2

8. DEED Daya,pura 4

9. Deedwana 28

10. Degana 3

11. Gachhlpura 2

12. Got~an 8

13. Harsor

14. Idwa

15. Jasnagar

16. JayaJ 3

17. Jodhiyasl

18. Kheenwaar 10

19. Khunkhuna 313 Written AnswslS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 314

SI. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

20. Kohya

21. Kuchaman City 37

22. Kuchaman Road 4

23 Kuchera 5

24. Ladanya

25. Ladnum 16

26. Lalgarh 3

27. Loonwa

28. Makrana 499

29 Maroth

30. Meethn

31. Merta City 25

32. Marta Road 10

33. Mclasar

34. Mundwa Marwar 3

35 Nagaur 231

36. Narainpura

37. N,mbod

38. Nokha Chandawatan 2

39. Parbatsar 11

40. Peeh

41. Ren 315 Written AnsW91S MARCH 29,1980 Writt9n Answwa 316

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List rotal

2 3

42. Rlyar: Ban

43. Rol

44. Shnba1aJI

Tota:' 948

DISTRICT. PALl

1. AnandpurKa!oo 2

2. Atbara

3. Aura

4. Sabra

5 Bagol

6 Ba9rt Nagar 2

7. Ball 3

8. Balral

9. BankL 2

10. Bantla

11. Bar 1

12 Bansnl

13. Beeiawas

14. BeerarTl,

15. Beesalpur

16. Bera

17. Berkalan 317 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 318

SI. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust To,.

1 2 3

18. Bharoonda 5

19. Bhatoond 2

20. Chachori

21. Chandawal

22. Chaned

23. Dealt Auwa 2

24. Deali Kalan

25. Deali Pabuji

26. Oesuri

27. Dhamli

28. Dhanla

29. Dujana

30. Ghaneraa

31. Ghenri

32. Gundoj

33. Gurhaendla

34. Jadan

35. Jaifaran 4

36. Jawali

37. Jojawar

38 Kherwa

39. Khiwara 319 Written AnswefS MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 320

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

40. Khod

41. Koselao

42. Kushalpura

43. Lapod

44. Latada

45. Lunawa 3

46. Marwar In. 2

47. Mohraj

48. Mundra

49. Nadol 2

50. Nana

51. NimaJ

52. Nowi

53. Pali 580

54. Peepaliya

55. Phalna 12

56. Raipur

57. Ramawas

sa. Rani Khurd 10

59. Rohi

60. Roopawli

61. Sadri 321 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 322

SI. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

62. Sanderao

63. Sendra 2

64. Sewan

65. SOJat City 3

66. SOlat Road

67. Sonesar ;3

68. Sunrrpur 79

69. Takhatgarh 2

Total: 724

DISTR/~T: SAWAJ t.lADHOPUR

1. Bajfaw~akhurd

2. Batahen 2 ~

3. Bamanwas

4. Bhagwatgam

5. Bharoti

6. 10nll

7. Chauth Ka Barwara

8. Gangapur CIty 63

9. Hindaun City 99

10. Karauli 17

11. Kariri Gazlpur

12. Khandar 323 Written AnsW.1S MARCH 29,1990 Written AnsWBIS 324

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

13. Kherela

1•. Kundera

15. Mahuwa

16. Mahuwa Road

17. Malarnaaoongar 2

18. Nadauti

19. Narolidag

20. Paota

21. Peepalda

22. Sapotra

23. SawaiMadhopurCrty

24. Sawaimadhopur 35

25. Shiwar 3

26. Sooroth

27. Sri Mahavlrji 6

28. Toda Shim

29. Mazeerpur

Total: 229

DISTRICT: SIKAR

1. Ajeetgarh 8

2. Balaran

3. Danta Ramgarh 6 325 Written Answers CHAITRA 8. 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 326

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

2 3

4. Daulatpura 3

5. Fatehpur 87

6. Guhala

7. Kachwa 12

8. Kanwat 7

9 Khachanyawas

10. Khandela 10

,, . Khatu ShyamJI 7

12. Koodan

13. Lachhmangarh 4

14. Losal

15. Mandha 5

16. Nachwa

17. Nee-Ka Thana 23

18. Palsana 6

19. Patan

20 Ramgarh

21. Reengus 12

22. Shishu (Panon) 3

23. Sihot Chhotl 6

24. Sikar 558 327 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 328

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

25. Sri Madhopur 57

Total: 818

DIS~ 'l/eT: SIROHI

1. Abu Mount 61

2. Abu Road 158

3. Anadra 15

4. Banas J.K. Puram

5. Bha~a

6. Dantrai

7. Jawal

8. Kailash Nagar 3

9. Kalandn 6

10. Mandar

11. Neebaj

12. Padeev 5

13. Parlt

14. Pindwara 30

15. Posaliyan

16. Reodar 10

17. Rohlra 2

18. Sildar 4

19. Sirodi 6 329 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (5AKA) Written Answers 330

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

20. Sirohl 59

21. SwarupganJ SheoganJ 7

22. Warada 6

Total: 378

DIS TRIGT: SRIGANGANAGAR

1. Anupgarh 39

2. Aqunsar 2

3. Bhadra 8

4. 81nJhbayia 5

5. C C Head 2

6. Chak 12 G 8

7 Chak 3 0

8. Chunawad Kotht 10

9. Dabli

10. Daulatpura

11. Fatuht 1

12. GaJOlnghpur 1

13. Gandhelt 2

14. Ganeshgarh 2

15. Ganguwala 3

16. Gharsana

17. Goluwala 3 331 W, itten Answers MARCH 29. 1990 Written AnswefS 332 ----- 51_ No_ Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

2 3

18_ Gulabewala 5

19_ Hanumangarh Town 65

20. Hanumanganh In. 215

21_ Jetsar

22_ Jetsar Farm

23_ KeshriSlnghpur

24_ Kulchandra 12

25_ lalgarh Jatan 4

26_ Mirzawala 3

27_ Netawala 23

28_ Nohar 2

29. Padampur 2

30. Peer Kamria 4

31. Phophana 5

32. Pilibanga 8

33_ Raisinghnag:l r 6

34. Rajiasar

35. Ramgarh Ujlawas 3

36_ Ramsinghpur

37_ Rawatsar 9

38. Rawla Mandl

39. Ridmalsar 8 333 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Writen AnsWBIS 334

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

40 Sadulshahar 5

41 Sangrana 7

42 Sangria 23

43 Snganganagar 9n

44 Snharanpur 7

45 SnvlJalnagar 2

46 Suratgarh 56

47 T alwara Jheel

48. Thalarka

49. Tlbl 6

50 Udyogblhar 18

Total 1563

DIS mlCT TONK

1. Ahgarh

2. Ablkanagar

3. Banasthall

4. Deph

5. Dl9gl

6 Doon!

7 Kater

8. Lamda Hanslng

9 Lasa 335 Written AnswetS MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 336

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

10. Malpura 7

11. Nagar Fort

12. Niwai 19

13. Pachewar

14. Poeploo 8

15. Toda Psisng 5

16. Tonk 200

17. Uniara

Total: 247

DISTRICT: UDAIPUR

1. Bambora

2. Bankora

3. Bhanpura

4. Bhin 3

5. Shinder 3

6. Bhomatawara

7. Binol

8. Chandesara 3

9. Char Btuja 25

10. Char Bhu;a;i

11. Chawand

12. Dabok 337 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written AnSMHS 338

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

2 3

13. Dawer

14. Delwara

15. Oeogarh 2

16. Dhariawad 9

17. Fatehnagar 11

18. Gala 2

19. Gaongurha

20. Ghasa 4

21. Ghata 1

22. Gogunda

23. .Jawarmlnes

24. Jhadol P

25. JhadolS

26. Kantroli 113

27. Kanad 3

28. Kelwa 40

29. Kelwara 2

30. Khannor

31. Kheroda 3

32. Kherwara 15

33. Kotra

34. Krishi Upaj Mandi UP 562 339 Written AnSwelS MARCH 21, 1990 Wrilten AnswelS 340

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting List Total

1 2 3

35. Kuathal

36. Kun 2

37. Lambort

38. Lawa Sardargarh

39. Meehand

40. Mandwa

41. Mavh In

42. Mohl 3

43. Malela

44. Nai

45. ;.jandeshara 83

46. Nathdwara

47. Nawagaon

48. Palodra

49. Parash

so. Parsad 3

51. Parsola

52. Bhalasiya 1

53. Rail Magra

54. Rajpura Darib;:. 7

55. Reechher

56. RIdlabdea 341 Written AnswetS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 342

51. No. Name of Exchange Waiting Ust Total

1 2 3

57. Rundera

58. Saiore 1

59. Salumbar 7

60. Sarneecha

61. Sarnod

62. Sarna

63 Sarnal

64 Shlshda

65. Thamla

66. Theelarwas

67. Udaipur 6022

68. Vallabhnagar

69. WAS

Total. 6968

Date of oldest applicant waiting for telephone connection in some of the major exchanges:-

51 No Name of the Exchang& Date

2 3

Jalpur 3. 9.1981

2. Jodhpur , t; 6.1980

3. Udaipur 16. 2.1982

4. Ajmer 20.10.1984

5. Srigangangar 7. 8.1986 343 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written AnswetS 344

5/. No. Name of the Exchange Date

1 2 3

6. Bikaner 7. 7.1983

7. Kota 21.12.1986

8. Alwar 3. 3.1986

9. Beawar 12. 3.1989

10. Pali 15. 7.1983

[Eng/ish} (a) the number of gas-based fertilizer plants proposed to be set up during the Sino-Pak Defence Pact Eighth Five Year Plan;

2748. SHRI YADVENDRA DATI: Will (b) the details thereof indicating the the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be location, cost and the production capacity; pleased to state: (c) whether Krishak Bharti Cooperative (a) whether Government are aware that limited has also staked a claim for a new Pakistan and China have recently signed a gas-based fertilizer plant to be set up during defence pact for ten years; and the Eighth Five Year Plan: and

(b) if so, the Government's reaction (d) if so, the details of the proposed thereto? Kribhco plant indicating the location cost and the production capacity?

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GWRAL): (a) Govern- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI ment have seen reports to the effect that LAl): (a) and (b). The Working Group on Pakistan and China have recently signed a Fertilisers set up by the Planning Commis- Memorandum of Understanding on bilateral sion in the context of the preparation of the defence cooperation. VIII Five Year Plan has recommended implementation of the delayed gas based ni- (b) Government keep under constant trogenous fertiliser projects of the VII plan review all developments having a bearing on and expansion of the three existing gas 1nd1a's security and take necessary meas- based plants of 135012200 tannes per day ures to safeguard it. ammonia/urea capacity each along the HBJ pipeline during the VIII Plan period. The Gas Based Fertilizer Plants recommendations of the Working Group are yet to be accepted. 2749. SHRI K.S. RAO: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (c) and (d). Yes, Sir. A proposal has 345 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 346

~n received from KRIBHCO to set up a organisations at inter-state and intemational ·gas based fertiliser plant of 1350/2200 ton- levels? nes per day ammonia'urea plant at Palwal (Haryana) at an estimated cost of Rs. 759 THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS crores. (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): The registration, investigation, detection and Revenue Sharing among MTNL, VSNL prevention of crime is the responsibility of Department of T."~mmunications the State Governments/Union Territory Administrations. For crimes in which inter- 2750. SHRt K.S. RAO: Will the Minister state gangs are involved the State Govern- of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: ments seek the help of Police of the concerned States in investigation and preven- (a) whether the Bureau of Industrial tion. Similarly for crimes In which interna- Costs and Prices has been asked to work out tional gangs are Involved, help of the Central a formula for revenue shartng among the Bureau of Investigation is sought by the Department of Tele-communlcatlons and Its State Governments in investigation. two companies, the Mahanagar Telephones Nigam Limited and the Vldesh Sanchar Dryland Farming Nigam Limited; and (b) If so, the details thereof? 2752. SHRIJANARDHANAPOOJARY: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be THEMINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- pleased to state the steps taken and contem- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- plated to popularise dryland farming to raise TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) the income of farmers and to increase Yes, Sir. employment opportunities?

(b) The Mahanagar Telephone Nigam THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Limited and Videsh Sanchar Nigam Limited MINtSTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI are Public Sector companies which receive LAL): A number of schemes have been substantial revenue and the Department of taken up under the State and Central Sec- Telecommunications provides them infra- tors to populaflse dry land farming in the structure and other facilities. The SICP has country. These include schemes like Na- been requested to study the linkages tional Watershed" Development Programme amongst the three organisations and sug- for Rainfed Agriculture,- Drought Prone Area gest guidling principles for a formula of Programme, Desert Development Pro- sharing of revenue, keeping in view the gramme etc. It is contemplated to continue international practices, relative investments various schemes to raise the income and involved, the need f~r resources for expan- employment opportunities in dryland farm- sion programmes including rural communi- Ing areas on the modern scientific Jines with cations, impliCAtions of Corporate tax etc. watershed as basis.

Organised Crimes by Gangs Implementation of Recommendations of Nanda Committee on Unemployment 2751. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: among lndian Seamen Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state the steps taken by Govern- 2753. DR. SUDHIR RAY: Will the ment to tack.le the problem of growing organ- Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be ised crime by the gangs having well-knit pleased to state: 347 Written AnSwelS MARCH 29. 1990 Wrilten AnSwetS 348

(8) whetherGovemment have accepted not been accepted and the reasons there- the recommendations of the Nanda Commit- for? tee on unemployment among Indian Sea- men; THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) to (b) if so. the recommendations imple- (c). OII.,.nt stages of implementation of the mented so far; and recommendations of the Nanda Committee on unemployment among Indian Seamen (e) the recommendations ~htch have are given in the statement be\ow. 349 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 350

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Arrears due to indian Seamen Serving also covered regional and international in foreign Ships developments of interest to both countries. It was felt also that the visit would give a further 2754. DR. SUDHIR RAY: Will the impetus to expanding bilateral cooperation Minister .of SURFACE TRANSPORT be between the two countries. pleased to state: Fish Farmers Development Agencies In (a) whether a huge amount represent- Orissa ing arrears due to Indian Seamen serving in foreign ships IS lying with a Lonoon Bank; 2756. SHRI BHAKTA CHARAN DAS: and Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be (b) if so, whether Government propose pleased to state: to utilise this fund forthe welfare of the Indian Seamen? (a) the number of Fish Farmers Devel- opment Agencies functioning in Orissa; THE MIN ISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (b) the various programmes under- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) taken by these agencies in Orissa for the and (b). Presently no bank In London is development of fisheries during the Seventh known to hold any funds representing ar- Plan period; rears due to Indian seamen (c) whether Government have a pro- Chinese Foreign Minister's Visit to posal to expand fishery projects in Orissa India during the Eighth Plan; and

2755. SHRISANATKUMARMANDAL: (d) if so, the Incentives proposed to be Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFF AIRS be given to fish farmers? pleased to state: THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (CI.) whether the Chinese Foreign Minis- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI ter visited India recently: and LAL): (a) Thirteen.

(b) if so, the outcome of the diSCUSSions (b) The programmes undertaken in- held with him? clude training of 28,328 fish farmers in improved practices of fish farming and intro- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- ducing scientific fish farming in 28,400 ha. FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL)' (a) and (b). The (56,923 units) of tankslponds benefitting Minister of Foreign Affairs of China, Mr. Olan 67,747 fish farmers. Qichen, visited India from March 20-24, 1990 at my invitation. (c) and (d). The Eighth Plan progmmmes for fishery projects are yet to be finalised. During the visit, both sides felt that for mutual benefit it would be desirable to ex- Fire at Atma Ram House and RohH pand bilateral contacts between India and House in Delhi China, in various fields. Both sides affirmed their intention of working towards a fair, 2757. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Will the reasonable and mt ·tually acceptable settle- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to ment bf the )loundary question. Discussions state: 371 MtIan AnsweIS MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnsMHS 372

(a) whether fire broke out on the fif- (g) To implement the recommenda- teenth floor of Alma Ram House on Tolstoy tions regarding fire safety, Delhi Fire Service Marg on 3 March, 1990 and also in Rohit have carried out inspection of all the multi- House, Connaught place on 2 March, 1990; storeyed buildings and notices have been issued to all the occupantslbuilderslpromot- ers etc. giving them suitable time to comply (b) if so, the details thereof and the with the recommendations. reasons thereof;

(c) the estimated loss of property in [ Trans/ation] each case; Appointments of Ambassadors/High Cd) the number of people killed and Commissioners injured; 2758. SHRI SRIJ SHUSHAN TIWARI: (e) whether any compensation has Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be since been paid to the affected people; pleased to state:

(1) if so, the details thereof; and (a) the number of Ambassadors and High Commissioners appointed by Govern- (g) the action taken by Government to ment during the last five years in countries prevent such incidents? having diplomatic relations with India;

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) the number out of those who were (SHRl MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) serving/retired diplomats, belonging to For- A fire ~e out on the fifteenth floor of Atma eign Service; and Ram House on Tolstoy Marg on 2.3.1990. Sixteenth floor d the building was also partly (c) the number out of them who were affected. No fir') call was received for Aohit retired officers from army, civil services and House on 2.3.1990. veteran politicians and other luminaries from educational/culturaVprofessional field? (b) Following offices were affected by fire:- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- 1. MIs. Miraksha Associates and FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAL): (a) A total of its sister concern. 162 Ambassadors and High Commissioners have been appointed by Government during 2. Directorate of Statistics and the last 5 years. Intelligence (Central Excise and Customs). (b) Two of the AmbassadorslHigh 3. New Bank of India. Commissioners were retired diplomats from the Indian Foreign Service; and 147 appoint- Cc) loss has been estimated at Rs. ments were of serving officers of IFS. 4,40,000/- approximately.

Cd) Nil. (c) 13 each appointment to the post of Ambassadors/High Commissioners were (e) and (f). No, Sir. made during the last 5 years. 373 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) WnIIsn AnSIlWS 374

Delay In Issuing Visa by Indian MissIon [English] Abroad Construction of llunipurpose Central 2759. SHRI BRLJ BHUSHAN TIWARI: cargo Berth and Extension of Southam Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Cargo Berth at Paradlp Port pleased to state: 2761. SHRI GOPI HATH GAJAPATHI: (a) the number of Indian Missions abroad Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT which issue visa on the day of receiving the be pl~~sed to state: applications and those Missions which take 24 hours or more on an average In issuing (a) whether the schemes for construc- visa; and tion of the mutti-purpose general cargo berth and extension of the southern cargo berth at (b) the reasons for this delay and steps Paradip Port have been implemented; taken to remove the same? (b) if not, the reasons therefor: and THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GUJRAl): (a) and (b) (c) the steps proposed to be taken for Information is being collected and will be laid Implementation of those projects? on the Table of the House. THE MINISTER OF SURfACE TRANS- Scheme to Appointment Experts in PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Different Fields In Indian Embassies TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): Ca) to (c). The detailed project reports of both the 2760. SHRI BRLJ BHUSHAN TIWARI: schemes have been received and are under Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be examination in the Ministry. pleased to state: Ongoing National Highway Projects in (a) whether any scheme to appoint Orissa experts in the fields of education. culture, commerce and trade in Indian Embassies 2762. SHRIGOPI NATHGAJAPATHI: abroad in under consideration of Govern- Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT ment; be pleased to state:

(b) if so, the details thereof; (a) the various ongoing National High- way projects in Orissa; . (c) whether any aiteria have been laid down for making such appointments; and (b) the estimated and approved cost of those projects; Cd) if so, whether Government have or contemplate to prepare a list of such experts (c) the amount spent on those project so to facilitate selection thereof? tar;

(d) whether the amount required further THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- for completion of those projects is proposed FAIRS (SHRII.K. GWRAl): (a) No, Sir. to be included in the 8th Plan; and

(b) to (d). Does not arise. (e) if so, the details thereof? 375 wnIten AnSMHS MARCH 29, 1990

lHE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Setting up of R&D Centre In Hilly Area. PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- of U.P. for Off- Seasonal Vegetables TION (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and (b). 128 works are presently ongoing in Orissa 2764. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the for the development of National Highways Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to with a sanctioned cost of Rs. 42.94 crores. state:

(c) The amount spent on these works till (a) whether there is any proposal to set March' 89 is Rs. 18.79 crores and an amount up a Research and Development Centre for of As. 12.0 crores has been allocated during cultivation of off-seasonal vegetables in hiUy the year 1989-90. areas of Uttar Pradesh; and

(d) and (e). Yes, SIr. A sum of Rs. 5.50 (b) if so, details thereof? crores has been provIded In 1990-91 for the ongoing works. THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI [ Translation DEVILLAL): (a) No, Sir. G.B. Pant University of Agriculture and Technology, Regional Setting up of Earth Satellfte Station in Station at Ranichori is already engaged in Hill Areas research work on vegetables for hilly areas of Uttar Pradesh. 2763. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: W,ll the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased (b) Question does not arise. to state: [English] (a) whether there is a proposal to set up earth Satellite statIOns forthe expansion and Enquiry Into Communications Riots Development of communication facilities in various hill areas of the country under the 2765. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CH- Eighth Five Year Plan; and OUDHURY: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the number of such earth satellite stations and the names of the places (a) the details of communal riots in the where they are likely to be set up in hill areas country since Ninth lok Sabha election; of Uttar Pradesh under this plan period? (b) whether Government have constituted any enquiry committee to inquire int('l THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- the causes of the riots and identity of the PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- instigators; TIONS (SHRr K.P. UNNIKRrSHNAN): (a) Vest Sir. (c) if so, its 1indings~

(b) Satellite earth stations at Joshimata. (d) whether any non-Government Uttarkashi and Srinagar (Garhwal) have agency had also conducted an enquiry into a'ready been put in service during 7th Plan. any of these riots since the last elections; How-ever presently there are no plans to set up additional earth stations in hill areas of (e) if so, the main teatures ot the report U.P. in eighttJ Plan. submitted by such agency; and 3n Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 378 (f) the action taken by Government in On the basis of the available Information, the this regard? particular of major communal nots which have occurred In the country since the Ninth THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Lok Sabha electIons are as under:- (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a)

Date and place of occurrence No of persons

KIlled Injured

1. Ladnun, (16.12.89) Nagaur (RaJastnan) 4 13

2. Nagar! (12-15 March, 1990) Chrttoor (Andhra Pradesh) 3 21

3 Ban Gulanl (12 3 90) P S Dhamaul, Dlstt Nawada (Bihar) 5 8

4. Jamshedpur town (14-15 March, 1990) 4 19

5. Patan (10-22 March, 1990) Dlstt Mehasana (GuJarat) 4 19

(b) ard (c). No such committee has (b) If so, the details thereof; and been set up by the Central Government In this regard However, the Nat:onal Integra- (c) If not, the reasons therefor? tion Council has been re-ronstltuted 0("1 2nd February, 1990 and the Council Will, Inter- THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- alia, focus Its attention on the genesIs of the PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- rommunal Violence In the country and Will TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) suggest ways and means to promote com- No SIr. munal harmony and emotIOnal Integration (b) In view of rep~ to (a) above the (d) to (f). The Central Government are questIOn does not anse. not aware of any report In th,s nlQard submitted by any non-Government agency. (c) Separate Telecom. Circles are not set up for districts. Separate Telecom Circle for !atara Dis- trict Improvement In Functioning of Wal and 2766. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. Bhuinj Telephone Exchanges in Satara BHOSAlE: Will the Minister of COMMUNI- District CATIONS be pleased to state:

(8) whether Government propose to set 2767. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. up a separate Tektcom Cirde for Olstrtct BHOSALE: WI" the Mlmster of COM- Satara of Maharashtra; MUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 379 Written AnswelS MARCH 29. 1990 Written AnsMHS 380

(a) whether Government have received (a) whether Govemment are contem- requests for expansion and conversion of plating to bifurcate the Central Sector Wai and Bhuinj Telephone Exchanges into Schemes viz., establishment/development electronic exchanges: and of regulated markets, rural markets and grading centres which were integrated into (b) if so, the details therof and action one scheme after several years of activities; taken thereon? (b) Vi so, the reasons therefore; THE MIN ISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (c) the achievements made so far with TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) regard t~ development of regulated markets. No, Sir. terminal markets etc.

(b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. (d) whether Government propose to create such markets in rural areas of Orissa Programme for Welfare of Farmers and Inhabited by Scheduled CasteslScheduled Promotion of Agriculture Tribes/minonty population; and

2768. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PA- (e) if so, the action taken in this regard? TIL: Will the MInister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state the details of the programmes THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Initiated for the weHare of farmers and pro- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DE VI motion of agriculture? LAL): (a) No, SIr.

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (b) Does not anse. MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAL): The Government have decided to (c) The Central sector scheme to pro- provide debt relief to borrowers who have vide financial assistance in the form 01 grant- taken loan up to Rs. 10,000 from Public in-aid for development of selected regulated Sector Banks and Regional Banks as on 2nd markets with necessary infrastructural facilt- October, 1989. In oriterto ensure remunera- ties was launched in the year 1972-73. The tive prices to farmers, the Government have scheme was later extended to cover rural appointed an Expert Committee to review markets and also for setting up of grading the methodology on cost of production of centres at producers level for selected crops to make these realistiC. The Govern- commodities. Till 31.2.1989 an amount of ment have also deCided to appoint an Advi- Rs. 7514 lakhs was provided as central sory Committee to reVieW the present poli- assistance to different States to develop cies and programmes for the promotion of 3601 regulated markets. This includes 598 agricultural development In the country. selected regulated markets i.e., markets specially with a view to generatmg export under command areas, markets under surpluses commercial crops and the terminal markets for fruits and vegetables, and 9 seoondary BHurcation of Central Sector Schemes markets under the integrated scheme for development of agricultural produce mar- 2769. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: kets. This also covers 2994 rural markets SHRI BHAJAMAN BEHERA: under the pre-revised and revised schemes.

Will the Minister of AGRICUlURE be (d) The scheme for development of rural p\eased to state: markets cover the markets located in trbal 381 WIit9n Answets CHAITRA 8. 1912 (SAKA) areas. Under the pre-revised scheme and EmIsaion of SmoU by DTC ...... amount of Rs.769.3 Iakhs was provided to develop 419 rural markets located in trbal 2771. SHRI ANAND SINGH: Will the areas in the country. This includes 64 trbal Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be markets amounting to As. 104.3 lakhs as pleased to state: central assistance in the State of Onssa. (a) whether most of the Delhi Transport (e) Under the integrated scheme spe- Corporation buses emit thick smoke and cial emphasis has been gIVen to provide fumes causing lot of pollution and inoonven- central assIStance by earmarking 20% of the ience to road users; budget allocation to develop markets under ITDPIOPAP & DDP areas. (b) if so, whether any survey about the read-wonhiness of these buses is conducted periodically; Cadre Review of Doctors Employed by Central Police Organisation (c) if so. the number and percentage of OTCbuses especially the private buses under 2no. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: DTC operation found emitting smoke as per SHRI 8HAJAMAN BEHERA: last survey; and

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (d) the steps being taken to eliminate pleased to state: environmental pollution by such buses?

(a) whether any cadre review of doctors THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- employed by Central Pohce OrganisatIOn PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- was undertaken to make them either at par TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) with civilian CGHS doctors or at par with the Yes, Sir. Government IS aware of such combatised ranks of the para-military forces~ complaints.

(b) if so, the outcome thereof: and (b) and (c). No such survey has been conducted by the DTC. However, as per the (c) the actIOn taken by Government to Motor Vehicles Rules, 1989, the inspection implement the recommendatIOns of the regarding road worthiness and fitness of the Cadre Review Committee? vehicles is done on annual basis by the Delhi Administration. Such inspection is a continu- Ing process and is undertaken as per the tum THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS of the vehicle on expiry of one year period. (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) The private buses under DTC operation aISQ. and (b). An inter-depanmental committee are subjected to such inspection by the Delli had gone into the question of career pr0- Administration. gression of the doctors among others of those empbyed in Central Police OrganISa- (d) No such survey has been conducted tions of 85F, CRPF and rTBP. by the DTC. The steps being taken by orc to reduce pollution are:- • (c) The whole question 01 cadre restructuring of medical services in Home Ministry (i) Daily check 01 the buses before is under active consideration and a cJeas;on these araoutshededfrom thedapot is expected to be taken shortly. Buses found emitting thick smoke 383 Wnlten AnSW8fS MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnsMHS 384

and fumes are not allowed to go on (b) whether some Indian Trade Union line. leaders have brought this to the notice of the Government; and (ii) Enforcement of routine and peri- odic maintenance schedules as (c) if so, the action taken thereon? prescribed by the chassis manufacturers. THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (iii) Ensuring timely overhauling and TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) replacement of defective fuel injec- No, Sir. tion pumps. injectors and engines. (b) No, Sir. (iv) Buses under operation are checked by the operational staff and any (c) Does not arise. bus found emitting excessive smoke is withdrawn from operation Wortd Bankllnternational Financial for repairs. Agencies Assistance for National Highway Projects (v) Snap checking of buses for smoke with the help of 'Hartridge' 2773. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Will smokemeter with the assistance of the Minister of SURF ACE TRANSPORT be the staff of Delhi Administration and pleased to state: Ministry of EnVironment and For- ests. (a) whether Government prcpose to seek assistance from the Wand Bank and (vi) Fitment of speed limiting brackets other international financial agencies for on all the engines for reducing financing the construction of National High- speed thereby reducing the ways; and smoke. (b) if so, the details of the National Highway projects identified, State-wise, for Smuggling of Oil and Goods to South sudl loan assistance? Africa by Some Naval Grew THE MINrSTEROF SURFACE TRANS- 2772. SHRI CHmA BASU: Will the PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) pleased to state: and (b). Yes, Sir. Details of the schemes which have been identified for possible fi- (a) whether some Naval crew have been nancial assistance by the World Bank and found to smuggle oil and other goods to the Asian DeveloPment Bank are given in South Africa; the Statement below. 385 Written Answers CHAITRA 8.1912 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 386

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Shipping Service Between Cochln and some Indian Missions abroad about an I Gulf Countries unprecedented spurt in the import of fire- arms as part of baggage by Indian touri~, 2774. SHAI S. KRISHNA KUMAR: Will which in the prevailing conditions was not the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be considered desirable, a ban on such imports pleased to state: was imposed with effect from 13-11-86.

(a) whether there is any proposal to start (c) and (d). No, Sir. In view of prevailing a shipoing service between Cochin and the conditions of law and order in the country it Gulf' .mtries, and is, felt that ban on import of fire arms may continue. (b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Revision of Pay Scales of AgricultUral PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Scientists TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and (b). Several representations have been 2776. SHRI BALESHWAR YADAV: Will received to start a regular cargo/passenger the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased service from Cochin to Gulf Ports. Viability of to state: such services are being scrutin ised and under exam ination. (a) whether the Scientists working in the [ Translation] Indian Council of Agricultural Research and its affiliated institute have demanded further Ban on Purcha.. of Ar.Arms revision of their pay scales; FromAbroed (b) if so, whether Government have 2775. SHRJ BALESHWAR YADAV: Will considered their demands; and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (c) if so, the details thereof and if not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether Government have imposed ban on the purchase of fire-arms (Pistol etc.) from abroad; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI (b) if so, the reasons therefor: LAL): (a) Sir, some of the Scientists in the erstwhile S-2 and 5-3 grades as well as (c) Whether Government are contem- some holding Research Management Posi- plating to lift the ban and grant permission to tions have demanded further revision of their purchase fire-arms from Singapore for per- pay scales. sonaluse:and

(d) if so, when and if not, the reasons (b) and (c). Further revision demanded therefor? by the Scientists does not appear to be in conformity with the University Grants Com- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS mission pay package. Which has been ex- (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) tended to the ICAR Scientists. However. it ;s and (b). Yes, Sir. On receipt of reports from being examined in detail. 393 WrItten Answers CHAITRA 8 1912 (SAKA) Wntten Answers 394

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Seeds Corporations (e) The maIn objective of the Seeds Ad.. 1966 IS to regulate the quality of seeds for 2m SHRI D M PUnE GOWDA Will sale The power to regulate the quality of the MinISter of AGRICULTURE be pleased seeds under the provIsIOn of Seeds Act IS to state vested In the States State Governments have already notrtled Seed Inspectors to (a) the details of seed corporations In enforce the varIOus quality control proVi- the country sIOns The Central Government has also taken varIOus steps to strengthen the quality (b) whether the quality of seeds sup control organisations such as State Seed plied by these corporations In upto the mark Testing LaboratOries and Seed CertifICatIOn Agencies (c) whether there are complaints about malpractICes In purchasing ordinary maten STATEMENT als and seiling It after cleaning as seed matenals List of Seed Corporations

(d) If so the action taken or contem National Seed CorporatIOn plated In thiS regard and 2 State Farms Corporation of India (e) the steps proposed to be taken to make available only good quality seeds In 3 Andhra Pradesh State Seed De- the market? velopment Corporation

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND 4 Assam Seed CorporatIOn MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAl) (a) A statement of pubhc sector seed 5 Bihar Malya Beel Nigam corporatIOns In gIven below 6 GUJarat State Seed Corporation (b) Seeds of notified klndlvanetles are required to conform to the minimum stan 7 Haryana Seed Development Cor- dardc; of purity and germination specified poration under the Seeds Act If anybody IS found selltng the seeds which do not conform to 8 Karnataka State Seed CorporatIOn these standards that person 'corporation IS liable for prosecutton for violation of the 9 Madhya Pradesh State Seed and prOVISIOns of the Seeds Art Farm Development CorporatIOn

(c) The seeds are produced following 10 Maharashtra State Seed Corpora- sclPntlflC procedures and ordinary gram IS tion not used as certified seeds However. where necpssary good quality graIns could be used 11 Orissa State Seed CorporatIOn as seeds after processing. treating and test- In9 to meet the specified standards No 12 Punjab State Seed CorporatIOn SpecifIC complaint In the recent past has been received 13 Rajasthan State Seed CorporatIOn 395 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnsMHS 396

14. U.P. Seed & Tarai Development As regards Patna, local eIadronic ex- Corporation change shall be installed at Danapur and Patna city during the year 1990-91 in re- 15. West Bengal State Seed Corpo- placement of old exchanges. There is also a ration proposal to replace the crossbar exchange at Rajendamagar in the year 1990-91 by Installation of Digital Electronic Ex- electronic exchange, for which equipment change at Chickmangapur District allotment exists. (Karnataka) [Translation] 2778. SHRI D.M. PUTTE GODA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Killings and Lootings by Terrorists In pleased to state: Jammu and Kashmir

(a) whether there is a proposal to in~tal 2780. SHRI RAGHAVJI: Will the Minis- digital Electronic Exchange at ChlCkman- ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: gapur district headquarters (KarnatakaJ; and the number of incidents of killings and Ioot- iogs by terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir (b) if so, by when it is likely to be in- during the period 1 January, 1988 to 28 staled? February, 1990?

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS PORT AND THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI- (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): The CATIONS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) information is being collected and wiD be laid Yes, Sir. on the Table of the House.

(b) Does not anse in view of (a) above. Telephone Connections in Vidisha and Ralsen Districts In M.P. Improvement in MuzaHarpur and Palna Telephone System 2781. SHRI RAGHAVJI: Will the Minis- ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to 2n9. SHRIMATI USHA SINHA: Will state: the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state the steps Government pro- (a) total number of applications for new pose to take for the improvement of the telephone connections pending as on 28th working of telephones in Muzaffarpur and February. 1990 in various towns and small Patna (Bihar)? cities of Vidisha and Raisen districts of Madhya Pradesh; and

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- (b) by what time these apptications are PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- likely to be disposed of? TKJNS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): There is a proposal to provide a Digital Trunk THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANs- Automatic Exchange at Muzaffarpur. The PORT AND MINISTER OF COMUUNICA- eq~ent IS allotted for the year 1990-91. TONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) There is also a proposal to instal a local Total number of appIicalions pending as on electronic exchange at Muzaffarpur and 28.2.90 in various exchanges 01 Vidisha replace the existing stronger type exchange. district is 460 and in Raisan district it is 298. 397 Writen AnswelS CHAIlRA 8.1912 (SAKA)

Exchange-wise detail is gIVen in the State- the waiting list in various exchanges excapI ment below. in Vldisha exchange, is planned to beclearad by 1991-92. whereas at Vldisha it wiI be (b) Subject to approval of 8th plan and cleared by middle of 8th FIVe Year Plan. timely availability of eqUipment, the bulk of

STATEMENT

Details of Waiting list for new telephone connections as on 28.2.90 in Exchanges of Vldisha and Ralsen District

S.No. Name of Exchange Wailing list as on 282.90

(A) VIDISHA

1. Vadlsha 330

2. Ganjbasedaa 65

3. GulabganJ 17

4. Gyarashpur 02

5. Kurwal 30

6. laten 00

7. Shamsabad 16

8. Siron) 00

Total 460

(8) RAISEN

1. Barnon 00

2. Raisen 65

3. a..ti 19

4. Sari 04

5. Bkalpur 00

6. Begamgan) 00 399 Wntten AnsW91S MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnsW8IS 400

5 No. Name of Exchange Waitmg lIst ciS on 28.2.90

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8 Dehgaof1 22

9 Dean 15

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15 SLltanp!""

16 Udalpura 00

17 DrwanganJ Ui

18 Obedulla]anJ 38

19 Mandldeep ------Total 298

[E ng'/~h] (b) the number of persons arrested in this regard, Rape Incidents In Delhi (c) the number of Government servants 2782 SHRI RAM SAGAR (Satdpur) among the arrested persons, and Will the MInister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state (d) the details of actIOn taken In all such cases?

(a) the number of cases of rapes and THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS gang-rapes reported In Deihl dUring the last (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) 12 months. to (d) 401 Written Answers CHAITRA 8 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 402

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5ugan:ene Seed Nursery Programmes introduction of Speed Post Service at Udumalpat 2783. SHRI B. RAJARAVI VARMA: Win the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 2784. SHRI B. RAJARAVI VARMA: Win pleased to state: the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have sanctioned a scheme for implementing sugar- (a) whether Government have a pr0- cane seed nursery programmes scientifi- posal to introduce Speed Post Services at caDy in different States: Uduma~t and Pollachi in Coimbalore district; (b) whether it is proposed to be implemented by the Central Sugarcane Institute (b) if so, the details thereof andlh~lime State Research StatIOns and sugar factories by which it will be introduced; and jointly; (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) whether this scheme would also be implemented in Amaravathi Co-operatlve THE MIN ISlER OF SURFACE TRANS- Sugar Mills Limited. Udumalpet in Tamil PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Nadu; and TIONS (SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) No, Sir. (d) if so, the detaIls thereof? (b) Does not arise.

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND ~) Air connedion, staff requirements, MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI anticipated traffic and commercial viability LAL): (a) Yes, Sir. are the major constraints in expansion of Speed Post network. (b) Yes. ( Translation] (c) Yes. Arrest of Government Employees In (d) ThtS Scheme consists of three major Jammu and Kashmir programmes viz. 2785. SHRI KESHARI LAL: Will the 1. There Tier Seed Production Pro- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 10 gramme to demonstrate the effectiveness of state: healthy and better seed on productivity; (a) the number of Central and State 2. Crash programme to demonstrate Government employees in Jammu and inilialythe effectiveness of selection, roguing Kashmir arrested on charges of their in- etc. on quality of seed; and volvement in secessionist and anti-national activities during the last three months;

3 Adaptive trials to prove the effective- (b) whether they included SOCJI8 high ness 01 the use of healthy seed material and ranking officials also; and SJ*8d transplanting technique on the Fanner's fiakts. (c) if so. the particulars thereof? 405 Written AnsW81S CHAIlRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsM)tS 406

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS received any representations from State (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) Governments of N.E. region with regard to to (c). The information is being collected and relaxation of the restrictions on tourist visits; will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) if so, the details thereof; and [English] (c) the action taken or proposed to be Telephone Service in South Afcot taken in the matter? District, Tamil Nadu THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS 2786. SHRI P .R.S. VENKATESAN: Will (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be to (c). Some proposals were received from pleased to state· certain State Governments of the N.E. Region In thiS regard. After careful consideration, (a) whether numberous complaints have some more areas have been opened for been recetved regarding unsatISfactory teie- foreign tourists In Assam and Meghalaya phone servICe In South Aroot dIstrict of T ami' These are: Sibsagar and Jatinga Bird Sanc- Nadu: and tuary In Assam and Barapani and Chera- pUr'lJI In Meghalaya The duratIOn of visit to (b) if so, the steps taken by Government (ne piaces of tOUrist Interest In Assam, to remedy the srtlJa~lon? Meghalaya and Manl~ur has also been increased VarK>us autl10ntles like Indian THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- MISSIOns and Posts abroad, State Govern- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- ment offICials etc have also been authorised TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) to Issue permits to the bonafide foreign tour- Yes, Sir. A few complaints were receIved IstS hberally regarding unsatisfactory telephone service In South Arcot DistrICt of Tamil Nadu. [ Translation]

(b) Remedial actions being taken to Inclusion of New Areas Under Drought Improve the situatIOn are:- Prone Area Programme (OPAP)

(i) Replacement of manual and hfe 2788. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- eXpired auto exchanges dunng 8th GAVA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE Plan be pleased to state:

(ii) Replacement of worn out external (a) whether Rajasthan Government has plant, telephone Instruments and submitted any representatIOn to Union other equipment Government to include 20 drought prone sub-drvlSions of Bharatpur, Sawai Madhopur, Relaxation of Tourist Visits to N.E. Tonk, Ajmer, KotaandJhalawad in Drought Region Prone Area Programme (DPAP):

2787. SHRIMATI CHENNUPATI (b) whether Union Government propose VIOYA: Will the MinISter of HOME AFFAIRS to indude these sutHtivisions under DPAP; be pleased to state: and

Ca) whether Union Government have (c) if not. the reasons therefor? 407 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Wrilten AnsMHS 408

THE OEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI OEVI MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI OEVI LAL): (a) The Jawahar Rozgar Yojana (JRY) LAl): (a) to (c). The Rajasthan Government funds to the StateslUTs. in 1989-90 were have submitted a Memorandum to the Na- allocated in the proportion of rural poor in a tional Committee on Drought Prone Areas StatelUT to the total rural poor in the country. programme (DPAP) and Desert Develop- As the application of this formula resulted in ment Programme (DDP) for inclusion on 20 lesser allocation to smaller States/UTs. than blocks of Bharatpur, Sawai Madhopur, Tonk, the Central grant given under the erstwhile Ajmer, Kota and Jhalawar districts in DPAP. programmes of NREPIRLEGP operated A decision whether to include these areas or during the year 1988-89, interest of such not under this programme will be taken after States was safeguarded by making addi- the report of the Committee is submitted to tional adhoc allocations. The statement given the Government. below gives the State-wise allocation of resources under Jawahar Rozgar Yojana Allocation of Funds to States Under (JRY). Jawahar Rozgar Yojana (b) Jawahar Rozgar Yojana (JRY) is a 2789. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- wage-employment programme and is moni- GAVA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE tored in terms of employment generated in be pleased to state: mandays. Rajasthan Government has reported that 346.50 lakh mandays of employ- (a) the amount allocated to each State ment were generated under the JRY in the so far under the Jawahar Rozgar Yojana and period from April, 1989 to end of February, the grounds on which this amount has been 1990. given;

(b) the number of persons benefited in (c) In the guidelines issued for the JAY, Rajasthan so far under thiS YOJana: and the expenditures undertheJRY are required to be incurred on creation of permanent and (c) The details of expenditure incurred prodL'ctive assets only. In the period from on the creation of permanent assets? April, 1989 to February, 1990, an expenditure of Rs. 8379.63lakhs is reported to have THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND Incurred under the Yojana in Rajasthan.

STATEMENT

Resource allocation under JRY -(1989-90)

(Rs. in lakhs)

51. No. StatelUT Resource allocation (including value of foodgrains and the State share)

1. Andhra Pradesh 19319.51

2. Arunachal Pradesh 307.15

3. Assam 5278.90 409 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 410

51 No 5tatelUT Resource allocation (mcludmg value of foodgrams and the State share)

4 Bihar 38711 91

5 Goa 38775

6 GUJarat 7954 79

7 Haryana 2068 19

8 Himachal Pradesh 115350

9 Jammu & Kashmir 168274

10 Karnataka 1209358

11 Kerala 656999

12 Madhya Pradesh 2561879

13 Maharashtra 2099390

14 Manlpur 441 73

15 Meghalaya 45813

16 Mlzoram 18741

17 Nagaland 50499

18 Orissa 12655 81

19 Punjab 160860

20 Rajasthan 12594 24

21 Slkklm 19783

22 Tamil Nadu 1765964

23 Tnpura 541 43

24. Uttar Pradesh 51706 13

25. West Bengal 21610 10 411 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written AnswelS 412

51. No. 5tatelUT Resource allocation (including value of foodgrains and the State share)

26. A & N Islands 164.80

27. Chandigarh 40.77

28. D & N Havel! 83.80

29. Delhi 187.42

30. Daman & Diu 52.40

31. Lakshadweep 81.75

32. Pondicherry 157.80

Total 263066.60

Funds Under JRY in Hilly and Desert proportion of rural poor that live in a Statel Areas UT. Application of this formula would have resulted in allocatIOn to smaller StateslUTs., 2790. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- which would have been less than the Central GAVA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE grant under the combined programme of be pleased to state: NREP/RLEGP operated during the year 1988-89. The interest of such States were (a) whether special provisions have been safeguarded by making them extra ad-hoc made in Jawahar Rozgar Yojana for provid- allocation. ing more grants in hilly and desert areas; Inter-district allocation in a Stat e/UT was (b) if so, whether Rajasthan Govern- decided by the Government of India on the ment had requested that Jalore, Sikar and basis of the backwardness index formulated Ganganagar distncts be considered for on the basis of the percentage of agricultural special grants under the Jawahar Rozgar labourers to main workers in rural areas, Yojana; percentage of rural SC/ST population to total rural population and inverse of agricultural (c) if so, the reasons for not conSidering productivity oefined as the value of agricuJ- these districts for speciC!1 grants; and tural produce but of each unit of land for the rural areas taken on the not basis in the (d) the time by which this assistance is weights of 20:60:20. likely to be given to these districts? Inter-district allocation of funds was by THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND and large done on the basis of the criteria .... INISTER OF AGRICULlURE (SHRI OEVI indicated above. Special dispensation was, lAL): (a) to (d). The JRY funds to the States! however, made in case of few districts which UTs during 1989-90 were allotted in the had poor resource endolNment and were, 413 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 414 therefore, recognased to be having hlQher Yes SIr. wage employment needs Special needs of such dlstncts were accomodated within the (b) The present manual Exchange at overall allocations of the concerned state Jahanabad IS planned to be replaced by 200 hne electronICs exchange dunng 1990-91 The first Instalment of allocatIOns to the districts was released oy the Government of (c) Not applICable 10 View of 'b' above India In the first quarter of 1989 The balance of the allocations were released 10 Septem- Steps to Check Terrorism ber-October, 1989 Government of RaJast- han had earlier requested that Jalore, Sikar 2792 SHRI AAMASHRA Y PRASAD and Ganganagar should be Induded 10 the SINGH' WIll the Mlntster of HOME AFFAIRS category of districts haVing poor resource be pleased to state base and reqUlnng enhanced allocatIOn under the JRY for the wage needs ThiS request (a) whether Government have formu- could not be accomodated dunng 1989-90 lated any along term scheme to check grow- The Department of Aural Development was Ing terrorism In the country, not convinced also entirely of the case made out by the Rajasthan Government (b) whether a new para-military force IS proposed to be organised under this scheme. For JRY aUocatlOn for the year 1990-91, and Rajasthan Government have themselves indICated that the Inter-district allocatIOns In (c) If so, the details thereof and the their state should strICtly be done on the actIOn taken or proposed to be taken by baSIS of the backwardness Index prescribed Government In the matter? In the JAY guidelines The Government of India have accepted their suggestIOn THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED) (a Electronic Telephone Exchange at to (c) While the main features of terrorist Jahanabad in Bihar Violence 10 different parts of the country are Similar 10 many respects, their SOCto-eco- 2791 SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD nomIC and politICal under-pinnings vary from SINGH Will the Mlntster of COMMUNICA place to place Therefore, any plan to effec- TIONS be pleased to state tively counter terronsts actIVities has to be locatIOn specifiC Maintenance of publIC order (a) whether Government have any IS a State subject However, the Central proposal to set up ar electronic telephone Government IS rendering all possible assIs- exchange In Jahanabad City In Bihar tance to the affected States In the form of additional para-military forces, provISIOn of (b) If so, the details thereof and the tralOlng faCilities to the State Poltee person- actIOn belOg taken or proposed to be taken nel. Improved communICatIOn faallttes etc by Government In thiS regard and There are no plans for raiSing an new para- military force The policy of the Government (c) If not the reasons therefor? IS to deal firmly With varIOus terrorISt ele ments In the country and simultaneously THE MINISTER OF SURF ACE TRANS- step up SOCIa-economic development In the PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- affected areas to redress the genuine gnev- TIONS (SHRI K P UNNIKRISHNAN) (a) ances of the local people The Government 415 Written Answers MARCH 29,1990 Written Answers 416 would, however, welcome that these mis- In response tothe supplementary memoran- guided elements abjure violence and join the dum submitted by the State Government on main stream of National life. 7th March, 1988, the ceiling of expenditure for employment Generation Works for the Funds to Rajasthan Under Employment period April to June. 1988 was enhanced Generation Programme from Rs. 77.50 crore to Rs. 108.20 crore taking into account the daily wage rate of As. 2793. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- 101- from May to June, 1988. In addition, a GAVA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE ceiling of expenditure of Rs. 9.38 crore was be pleased to state: approved for July, 1988.

(a) whether Rs. 137 crores was allotted Consequent upon the judgements of to Rajasthan under the Employment Gen- High Court of Rajasthan and the Supreme eration Programme on the basis of daily Court, the State Government further sought wages of Rs. 7.50 to relief workers: an additional assistance of Rs. 21.82 crore to meet the expenditure arisIng out of these (b) whether the State Government has Judgeme"ts for making payment of wages sought additional assistance to meet the @ As. 14/- per day to the relief workers, with expenditure arising out of payment of wages effect from 26.5.1988 to 31.7.1988. at the rate of Rs. 14/- per day as per court orders; (d) There IS no proposal to provide more funds to the State Government under (c) ~ so, the details thereof; and employment generatIon works. However, in order to help the State Government finan- (d) whether Union Government pro- Cially, Unit Trust of India has made an addi- pose to provide more amount to the State tional Investment of Rs. 25 crore in Small Government on the above basis and if not, Saving Instruments in Rajasthan against the reasons therefor? which the State h:}s been granted a special small savings loan of Rs. 18.75 crore.

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICUL lURE (SHRI DEVI [English) LAL): (a) In response to the memorandum submitted by the Government of RaJa.31han S.T.D. Facility in Towns of Wayanad in October, 1987, ceilings of expenditure of District in Kerala As. 137 crores for the period November, 1987 to March, 1988 and Rs. 77.50 crores 2794. SHRI K. MURALLEEDHARAN: for the period April, 1988-June, 1988, for Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be employment generation works @ As. 7.50 pleased to state: per day per relief worker (out of totai ceilings of As. 359.09 crore) were approved to the (a) whether Government propose to State Government under drought relief. introduce STD System in towns like Meenan- gadi, Sultans Battery, and Meppadi of Waya- nad District in Kerala: (b) and (c). The State Government sought an additional Central assistance for making payment to rehef workers at the (b) whether Government are aware that higher rate for the period May to July, 1988. the telephone system in Wayanad District is 417 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 418

in a miserable condition; and THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (c) the action taken/proposed to be TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) taken by Government to streamline the Yes, Sir. same? (b) 4506 (full time). THE MINISTEROF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (c) As per the directions given by the TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Supreme Court in its judgement dated Yes, Sir. 29.11.89, a scheme for grant of Temporary status and other related facilities including (b) The telephone system in Wayanad advancement to casual labourers has been district is satisfactory. prepared and submitted to nodal Ministries! Departments for their concurrence. (c) The following steps are proposed to be taken up during the 8th Plan period for Modernisation of Telephone Exchanges modernising the telecorn service In Waya- nad district of Kerala:- 2796. SHRI JANARDAN YADAV: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (i) Instal electrOnic exchanges pleased to state: at more locations to replace life expired electromechani- (a) whether Government propose to cal exchangf's. formulate a scheme for rapid modernisation of telephone exchanges in the country; (ii) Commission a new digital electronic trunk automatic (b) if so, the salient features of the exchange at Kozh;i{ode. Scheme;

(iii) Augument the transmission (c) the total number of manually oper- media In that area to cater to ated telephone exchanges in Bihar; and the traffic growth. (d) the time by which these exchanges [ Translation] are likely to be fully modernised?

Regularisation of Labourers in Postal Department THE MINISTEROFSURFACETRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 2795. SHRI JANARDAN YADAV: Will TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) & the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b). Yes, Sir. Modernisation Plans of Tele- pleased to state: phone Exchanges proposed in the draft 8th Plan are: (a) whether labourers are working on daily wages In the postal Department; (i) Almost the entire switching capacity to be added during the plan period to (b) if so, the number thereof; and be of electronic type.

(c) the steps proposed to be taken by (ii) Replacement of al! manual exchanges Government to regularise them? by modern exchange. 419 Written Answers MARCH 29. 1990 Written Answers 420

(iii) Replacement of wom-out and life (e) No. Sir. expired electro-mechanical exchanges by electronic exchanges. Christian Missionaries Working In Nagaland (c) 57. 2798. SHRIMATI JAYAWANTI NAVIN (d) These exchanges are proposed to CHANDRA MEHTA: Will the Minister of be replaced by electronic exchanges by the HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: end of the 8th plan subject to availability of resources. (a) the number of Christian Missionar- ies working in Nagaland; (English] (b) the amount of assistance received Representation of RSS and VHP in by them from foreign institutions during the National Integration Council years 1988-89 and 1989-90 upto January. 1990; and 2797. SHRIMATI JAYAWANTI NAVIN CHANDRA MEHTA: Will the Minister of (c) the number of foreign based institu- HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: tions working in MlZoram?

(a) whether persons representing THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sangh were ever (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) in the National Integration Council; No statistics is maintained about Indian Christian Missionaries anywhere in the (b) if so, when and their names; country and therefore their number in Nagaland is not known. Under the Registra- (c) whether persons representing the tion of Foreigners Rules. only foreigners are Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sangh and Vlshwa registered. According to the information Hindu Parishad have been Included in the available. no foreign christian missionary is present National IntegratIOn Counctl; working in Nagaland.

(d) if so, their names: and (b) Does not arise.

(e) if not, whether Government are (c) Requisite information is not avail- considering to provide adequate represen- able. tation to these organisations in the Council? National Permits for Public Carriers and THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Trucks (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) No, Sir. NIC dtd no~ take representative of 2799. SHRI BHAJAMAN BEHERA: RSS as such. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS:

(b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANS- PORT be pleased to state number of Na- (c; No. Sir. NIC has not taken represen- tional Permits for public carriers and trucks tatives of RSS of VHP as such. ISSUed during the last two years by States and Union Territory Administrations State- Cd) Does not arise. wise and Union Territory-wise? 421 Written Answef5 CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answef5 422

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL): (a) to (c). I had TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): Infor- talks on bilateral and international issues mation is being collected from the various with the Ministers of the TROIKA countries in State Governments/UTs and will be laid on Brussel!: and took the opportunity of meeting the table of the House. some of his counterparts from other Euro- pean countries. The proposal to set up an Setting up of New Plant at Sindri Informal forum includIng officials and busi- Fertilizers Factory nessmen has been accepted in principle among the measures to intesify cooperation 2800. SHRI JANARDAN YADAV: Will between India and EEC. the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: Infiltration from Across the Border

(a) whether Government propose to set 2802. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will up a new plant at Slndri Fertilizers Factory; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased and to state:

(b) if so, the details thereof? (a) the number of infiltratorslintruders killed or arrested during the year 1989 giving THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND names of the country to which they belonged MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI and the names of the States through which LAl): (a) No, SIr. they infIltrated;

(b) Does not anse. (b) the number of persons who infiltrated/intruded from Pakistan and Bangla- Formation of New Economic Consor- desh Into India dUring the said period; and tium by India and EEC Countries (c) the steps taken by Government to 2801. SHRI PYARElAl KHANDEL- check such intrUSions and the results thereof? WAL: Will the Mlntster of EXTERNAL AF- FAIRS be pleased to ~tate: THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) (a) whether IndIa and EEC countries and (b). A statement is given below. It is not are Jointly making efforts to form a new possible to Indicate the nationality of the economic consortium: Infiltrators/intruders killed/apprehended on the border as they are handed over to the (b) if so, the details thereof: and State authOrities for further investigation.

(c) the outcome of the recent VISit of a (b) Necessary steps have been taken to delegation led by hIm to Brussels in this check Instances of infiltration to ensure the regard? security of the borders. 423 Written Answers MARCH 29. 1990 Written Answers 424 STATEMENT

The number of filtratorslintruders killed and appreh9nded by the BSF during 1h9 Y9ar 1989 State-wise both along the Indo-Pak and Indo-Bangladesh borders is as under:-

51. State through No. of Infiltrators/Intruders No. which they iflfiltrated

On Indo-Pak Border

i) J&K (Other than line of control) 69 28

ii} 1712 265

iii) Rajasthan 918 88

iv) Gujarat 15

On Indo-Bangladesh Border

v) West Bengal 25736 12

vi) Assam 137

vii) Meghalaya 361 2

viii) Mizoram 5856

ix} Tripura 942 2

National Highways Development THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Schemes in Punjab PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): New 2803. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will development schemes as detailed in the the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be statement given below are contemplated to pleased to state the details of the various be taken up on various National Highways in schemes contemplated for Punjab under the Punjab during 1990-91 and a sum of As. National Highways Development Programme 2.48 crores has been earmark9d. As these including the financial allocations and time schemes are yet to be sanctioned. it is too schedule of the proposed schemes? early to indicate their time sch9dule. 425 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answe,rs 426

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Construction of Colvale Bridge in Goa the construction of houses during the last three years, year-wise; 2804. PROF. GOPALRAO MAYEKAR: Will the Ministerof SURFACE TRANSPORT (b) the expenditure incurred so far; and be pleased to state: (c) the number of houses constructed (a) whether there has been delay in and possession given during the above completion of the Colvale Bridg~ on National period, year-wise and district-wise? Highway ~Jo. 17 in Goa; THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (b) if so, the reasons therefor; MINISTER AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAL): (a) and (b). On the basis of information (c) the loss incurred as a result thereof: furnished by the Andhra Pradesh Govern- and ment, the allocation for Indira Awas Yojana (lAY) in the State during the lasfthree finan- (d) the new time schedule fixed for the cial years, is as follows:- completion of the bridge?

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- 1986-87 Rs. 1190.00 lakhs PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- TIONS (SHRI K.P_ UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) 1987-88 Rs. 1586.66 lakhs and (b). Yes, SIr. The delay IS malply because of tne slow progress by the contractor 1988-89 Rs. 1242.63 lakhs to \Vhom the work was onQlnally awarded and the time taken to reaward the work to The expenditure reported to have been another contractor after rescinding the ear- Incurred under the Yojana during the above lier contract and reinvitation of tenders. three financial years is Rs. 3834.95 lakhs.

(c) h is not possible to assess the finan- (c) So far 51 ,528 number of houses are cial implications at this stage as the first reported to have been constructed In the contractor on whose risk and cost the work IS State under the Yojana since the year of its now being executed, has gone for arbitra- inception i.e. 1985-86. During 1985-86 itself. tion. 3.321 houses are reported to have been constructed. The district-wise details of the (d) The bridge IS now scheduled for number of houses constructed, as per the completion in the last quarter of 1991. information furnished by the State Govern- ment, during the last three financial years, Amount Allocated to Andhra Pradesh namely, 1986-87, 1987-88. 1988-89 have under Indira Awas Yojana been given in the Statement -I below. During 1989-90, another 6530 number of houses 2805. SHRIMATI J. JAMUNA: Will the are reported to have been constructed (upto Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to February, 1990) in the State. The district- state: wise number of houses reported to have been occupied under the Yojana (in the (a) the amount allocated to Andhra State) since inception have been given in Pradesh under the Indira Awas Yojana for Statement - II below. 435 Written AnSW91S MARCH 29.1990 Written AnsW9fS 436

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2. Vizianagaram 979

3. Visakhapatnam 2851

4. East Godavari 4697

5. West Godavari 4806

6. Krishna 953

7. Guntur 1682

8. Prakasam 4695

9. Nellore 3002

10. Kumool 1129

11. Ananthapur 743

12. Chuddapah 1273

13. Chrttoor 1209

14. Khammam 2555

15. Warangal 1747

16. Kanmnagar 1304

17. Adilabad 2718

18. Nizamabad 2658

19. Medak 1025

20. Nalgonda 2343 443 WnIten Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Wtiten AnSMHS 444

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[ Translation] THE MINISTEROF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Construction of Flyovers and Bridges TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (8) in Delhi and (b). Yes, Sir. The Delhi Administration, New Deihl Municipal Committee and Munici- 2806. SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saldpur): pal Corporation of Delhi have intimated that Win the Minlsterof SURFACE TRANSPORT they have made provisions in their 1990-91 be pleased to state· Annual Plan for incurring expenditure for proposed projects which are mentioned in (a) whether a number of flyovers and the Statement below. The actual sanctioning bridges are proposed to be constr-ucted If1 of the proposed project will depend upon the Delhi under the Annual Plan of 1990-91: and completion of varIOus steps required to be (b) if so, the locations. total expenditure taken prior to sanction. It is too early to give to be incurred and the schedule of construc- schedule of construction for these bridges. tion thereof? 445 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 446

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2807. KUMARI UMABHARATI: Will the 2808. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. Minister. of AGRICULTURE be pleased to BHOSALE: Will the Minister of AGRICUL- state: TURE be pleased to state:

(a) the names of drought affected dis- (a) whether some research work on test tricts in Bundelkhand region; tube caH is going on in the country;

t, the names of districts out of them (b) if so, the places where such re- whicn have been declared as drought prone search work is being carried; districts; (c) the benefits. likely to accrue out of te) the details of the facilities provided to this research; tMae districts: (d) the amount likely to be spent thereon; (d) whether Government propose to and declare the remaining districts also as drought prone; and (e) the steps Government propose to take to further encourage such researches? (e) if not, the reasons therefor? THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND MINISTER OF AGRICUlTURE(SHRI DEVI THE DEPUTY PRIME Mt.JISTER AND LAl): (a) Yes, Sir. MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI lAl): (a) to (e). BundeJkhand region in- (b) The researches have been taken up cludes the djstric;ts pfJttansi, lalitpur, Banda, mainly at Hamirpur and Jalaun. 23 blocks in these districts have been declared drought prone i) National Diary Research Institute, and are covered under the Drought Prone Kamal. Areas Programme (DPAP). Funds reanging from Rs. 15 lakhs to Rs. 18.5 lakhs per year ii) Indian Veterinary Research Insti- per block , d.epending on the size of the block, tute, Izatnagar and are allocated mainly for taking up schemes of land development, conservation and har- iii) Central Institute for Research on vesting of water resources and afforestation, Goats, Makhdoom, Mathura. pasture and fodder development. (c) This will help in salvation of superior buffalo germ plasm lost through slaughter of Government have set up a National high producing buffaloes in metropoltancities Committee to consider, among other as- as well as in livestock genetic resource pects, proposals for inclusion of additional conservation and management. areas under the programme. There is, how- ey_, no proposal from the State Govern- (d) A USAID project on Embryo Trans- menttor inclusion of any additional blocks of ter Technology and UNDP and DBT sup- these districts under the DPAP. ported projects on the subject are in opera- 457 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 458 tion and inter alia provide research in vitro Inclusion of cardamom in Indo-Nepal Oocyte maturation, fertilization and cutture. Bilateral Trade Agreement The total amoun1 ;s Rs. 1908.38 lakhs and US$ 25.24 lacs. 2810. SHRI PALAI K.M. MATHEW: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be (e) A network project on Embryo Trans- pleased to state: fer which will also have the component of in vitro Oocyte maturation fertilization and cul- (a) whether there is any proposal to ture in proposed to be included in the 8th enlist Cardamom in the bilateral Trade Agree- ment between India and Nepal; Plan.

(b) if so, the details thereof; and Group Dialing System from Atholi to C8l1cut Telephone Exchange (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

2809. SHRI K MURALEEDHARAN: Will THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GWRAL): (a) and (b). pleased to state: Yes, Sir. This matter will be discussed in the next round of official level talks to be held in (a) the present status of the Atholi Kathmandu when the details of an appr0pri- T elephane Exchange in Koshikode; and ate provision in this behalf may be incorporated in our bilateral agreement. (b) the time by which the group dialing (c) Does not anse. system from Atholi to Calicut will be introduced and the exchange installed in the new Secondary Switching Alee Facility in building for which the land has been ac- Thodupuzha quired by Government? 2811. SHRI PALAI K.M. MATHEW: THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Will the Ministarof COMMUNICATIONS be PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- pleased to siate: TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) At present Athol; has a small Automatic (a) whether there is a proposal to re- Telephone Exchange of 90 lines capacity establish the Secondary Switching Area with 87 working connections and 269 appli- facility in Thodupuzha in Idukki district of Kerala: cants on wa~ing list.

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

(b) Group dialling facIlity at Atholi is (c) if not, the reasons therefor? proposed to be introduced from Calicut during the year 1990-91, subject to availability THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- of equipment. A 512 Port electronic exchange PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- is planned for installation in a rented build- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) ing. A building for higher capacity exchange No, Sir. whenever Justified will be planned in the land already acquired. (b) Does not arise in view of (a) above. 459 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990

(c) The telecom network of ktdukki is (b) Does not arise. too small to justify a separate SSA at present. (c) 2000 lines ICP exchange already stands allotted for Thodupuzha for 90-91 for Trunk Telephone Une from Idukki to replacing existing MAX-II exchange. Eq~ Nedum Kandam ment for 2000-3500 line expansion is also planned for 92-93. 2812. SHRI PALAI K.M. MATHEW: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Sri Lankan Refugees pleased to state: 2814. SHRI YASHWANTRAO PATll: (a) the present stage of the proposal to Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be have a Trunk Telephone line from Idukki to pleased to state: Nedum Kandam in ktukkl district, Kerala; and (a) whether fresh batches of refugees have started ooming to India following the (b) the details of steps taken by Govern- withdrawal of Indian Peace Keeping Force ment to oomplete the remaining part of the from Sri Lanka; and ldukki-Nedum Kandam Trunk Line? (b) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) FAIRS (SHRI I.K. GWRAL): (a) and (b). and (b). There IS a proposal to instal a 30 Between 26th August, 1989 and 13th March, channel dlQitai radio system (UHF) between 1990, 3302 Sri Lankan refugees arrived in Nedum Kandam and Idukki during the 8th Tamil Nadu from Sri Lanka. In addition, 1612 Plan period. refugees have been brought from Trinco- malee by ship and air to camps in Koraput New Electronic Exchange at Tho- district, Orissa. dupuzha Proposal to Sell Surplus Land of 2813. SHRI PALAI K.M. MATHEW: Bombay Port WiRthe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state. 2815. SHRt YASHWANTRAO PATIl: Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT (a) whether Government propose to be pleased to state: start a new eledromc exchange at Tho- dupuzha, Kerala: (a) whether there ~any proposal to sell certain surplus land of Bombay Port; (b) if so, the detai's thereof; and (b) if so, the details thereof; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) the reasons therefor?

THE MIN ISlER OF SURFACE TRANS- THE MINISTER OF SURFAt"'ETRANS- PORT AND MINtSTER OF COMMUNICA- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- "Tam \SHR\ K.P. UNM\Kf\\S,",N~N): la) "TK)NS (SHR\ K.P . UNN\KR\sHNAN): (a) to No, Sir. (c). No, Sir. There is no proposal to sel any 461 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 462

Bombay Port Trust land. Ministers since deployment is made out of overall resources of police and other agen- Expenditure on Security of cabinet cies whose operations are not confined to Ministers providing security alone, and the expenditure on security is a part of overall expendi- 2816. SHRI A. VLJAYARAGHAVAN: ture. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state the expenditure incurred on CRPF Personnel Killed in action the security of Cabinet Ministers from Janu- ary. 1985 to December. 1989? 2817. SHRI A. VLJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS pleased to state the number of Central (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): The Reserve Police Force personnel killed in security arrangements forthe Cabtnet Minis- action in various parts of the country be- ters are made by Delhi Police and Central tween 1987 and 1989, State-wise and year- Police Organisations on deputation to Delhi wise? Police during their stay in Delhi and by the concerned State/UT Police forces during the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS visits of the ministers out of Delhi. It is not (SHRlMUFTlMOHAMMADSAYEED): The possible to give exact figures of expenditure CRPF personnel killed in action in various involved in providing security to the Cabinet States during 1987 to 1989, are as under:-

51. No. State 1987 1988 1989

1 2 3 4 5

1. Assam 2

2. Bihar

3. J&K 5

4. Manipur 4 10 5

5. Nagaland 2

6. Punjab 25 22 39

7. Sikkim

8. Tripura 3

9. West Bengal 7 5

Total 42 40 52 463 Written Answers MARCH 29.1990 Written AnSWfH'S 464

Prawn CUltivation in Goa (b) if so, the adion taken thereon?

2818. PROF. GOPALRAOMAYEKAR: THE MINISTER OF SURFACE mANS- Win the Minister of AGRICULTURE be PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- pleased to state: TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A demand has been (a) whether there IS a great scope for receIved for Issue of a stamp on Keshavrao promoting prawn cultivation In Goa State: Bho:;ale A proposal in this regard was placed and before the Philatelic Advisory Committee. w'llch functions In the Department to advise (b) if so, the steps taken by Government the Government about issue of Com memo- in this regard? rat'vu'Special Postage Stamps and other rt:!t3t8d "'-.-:itters, at Its meeting held on 29.9.89. 40wev ~. the Committee could not consider THE DEPUTY PRIME M!NISTE8 ~.NL.J ll'l€ vorosal due to paucity of time. This MINISTEROFAGRICUL TUFt: \ S~RI L)[.=VI pr~p0sal Will be placed again before the LAL): (a) Yes, SIr Tt"le State of Goa 'las Cor.l,nlttee. for consIderation at its next about 4000 ha. of braCKlshy.'att=-~ area lor meet'ng. promotIon of prawn farmmg

(b) Under the Centrally Sponsored [ Translation] Scheme, 'Integrated BracKlshwater r.sr Farm Development', two proJects VIZ a orack- ishwater prawn farm covenng an area of Constitution of Advisory Committee about 35 ha. at Charao at an estimated cost of Rs_ 19.70 lakh and a Pdot Prawn Seed 2820. SHRt SATYNARAYAN JAnVA: Hatchery with UNDP technic;:, I Inputs at Will the Minister of COMMUNICATK>NS be Benaulim at a total cost Of R' . ~ 6 00 '3Kh for pleased to state: producing 25 million tiger Jr? Nn seed per annum, were sanctioned dUring the years (a) the levels at which 'Advisory Com- 1985-86 and 1987-88 respectIVely 1 he State mittees' of consumers and peoples repre- Government have constructed a 5 ha. brack- sentatives are constItuted under the depart- ishwater farm at Ela DhauJI for demonstra- ment and the category-wise details of the tion of the prawn farming technology constitution of and representation in various such commIttees; and

Special Postal Stamp of Keshavrao (b) the future programme In regard to Bhosale the constItution of these committees at each level? 2819. PROF. GOPAlRAOMAYEKAR: Will the MInister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTEROF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (a) whether Government have recelvf\d T~ONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) demand to release a special postal stamp on and (b). The policy on constitution of Tele- the occasion of birth centenary of Keshavrao com AdvIsory Committees is under review. Bhosale, a veteran stage artist and singer of These committees will be constituted after Maharashtra; and the policy is finalised. 465 Written AnSW915 CHAITRA 8, 1912 (&AKA) [English] F.C.I.

Rehabilitation of Post Blue-Star Army c.W.C. 25 Deserters D.P .E. for PS.Us 35 2821. SHRIMATI BASAV,~ RAJES- WARI: Total 342 SHRI HARI SHANKAR MA- HALE· All these organisations have issued call tat- SHAI SATINDEA PAL SINGH: ters to the concerned persons.

Will the Minister of HOME AFF AlAS be Terrorist Activities in Jammu and pleased to state· Kashmir

(a) the total number of army personnel 2822. SHRI PIYARE LAL HANDOO: who had left theIr barracks following 'Opera- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be tIon Blue Star' In 1984: pleased to state·

(b) the number of such army deserters (a) the number of persons killed by who have been rehabIlitated so far; and terrorists/militants from 19 August, 1989 to 28 February, 1990; and (c) the detarls of actIon taken to rehabili- tate the remaining persons? (b) the number of cases being investigated by CBI? THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED) (a) AccordIng to informatIOn gIven by MInIstry of THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Defence. 2731 persons were proceeded (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) against for leaVing their barracks following and (b) Information is being collected from 'OperatIOn Blue Star' and related charges the State Government and will be laid on the Of these 22 were exonerated Table of the House.

(b) 2297 were kept back In the Armyl [ Translation] Defpnce Security Corps (DSC) 50 persons have been prOVided employment by the Launching of Cattle Development Government of Punjab. Programme in Madhya Pradesh

(c) The names of 342 persons have 2823. SHRI PYARELAL KHAN DEL- been forwarded to the following organisa- WAL: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE tIons for employment- be pleased to state:

C.I.S.F 51 (a) whether Union Government have received any proposal from Madhya Pradesh Railways 41 Government for launching a comprehensive programme for improvement of cattle-breed, Posts 44 dairy industry and fodder in that State; and

Telecom 46 (b) if so, the action takan thereon? 467 Written AnswetS MARCH 29. 1990 Written AnsMNS a168

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (d) if not, the reasons therefor? MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI LAl): (a) and (b). The Madhya Pradesh THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- Dugdh Mahasangh Sahakari Maryadit PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- (MPDMSM) has submitted an indicative plan TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) for Operation Flood-III for the State costing Yes, Sir. about As. 27.69 crore to National Dairy Development Board (NDDB). The detailed (b) No, Sir. sub-project investment proposals (SPIP) for each milkshed except for Upin Milkshed are (c) Does not arise. yet to be received by NODS from MPDMSM. The proposal for'Unain MiI

Proposals for Construction of Bridges (a) whether there is any proposal to in Rajasthan under ISEI Scheme sanction additional loan assistance to the Government of West Bengal for completion 2824. CH. JAGDEEP DHANKHAR: of the Second Hooghly Bridge; and Will the Minister of SURFACE TRANSPORT be pleased to state: (b) if so, the amount thereof?

(a) whether Rajasthan Government THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- had sent proposals to the Union Govern- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- ment for providing finan~ial assistance for TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) construction o~ bridges on Parvati river at Government of West Bengal has requested Chabra-Ohannavada road and on river Ujhar for additional loan assistance for completion at S.H.No. 19, District Jhalawar on 3 canal of the Second Hooghly Bridge. river, under Centrally Sponsored Scheme of fnter-State Economic Importance; (b) On the basis of the total cost 01 As. 340.00 crores as estimated by West Bengal (b) if so, whether the proposals have Government. they have requested for addi- been approved and financial assistance tional loan assistance of Rs. 72.00 crores provided; over and above the existing commitment of Central Govemment to give loan assistance (c) if so, the details thereof; and tor As. 230.00 crores. 469 Wrlten Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Wriltsn .AnsMws 470 us vIewa about Pakistan'. Involvement will be laid on the Table of the House. In Kashmir (b) The objective of the Government of 2826. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE India is to create conditions for the safe PATll: Will the Minister of EXTERNAL return of the migrants. Therefore, their reha- AFFAIRS be pleased to state: bilitation is not contemplated.

(a) whether the Foreign Secretary vis- Payment of Wages to Labourers at ited USA in February, 1990 to apprise Senior Chhatlsgarh In M.P. officials of the White House. State and De- fence Departments of India's concern at 2828. SHRI PYARELAI.. KHANOEl- Pakistan's involvement in our country's inter- WAL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- nal affairs in Kashmir: TIONS be pleased to state:

(b) whether as per press reports a (a) the amount of daily wages being Senior Stat. Department official has report- paid to the labourers engaged in cable laying edly stated that the United States sees no in Madhya Pradesh; Pakistan hand in Kashmir: and

(c) if so, the reaction of Government of (b) whether Government have received India thereof? any complaints about payment of less than the fixed wages to the labourers engaged in THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- the said work in the Chhatisgarh region of FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAl): (a) Yes, Sir. Madhya Pradesh; and

(b) No, Sir. (c) if so, the adion taken by Govern- ment to rectify the same? (c) Does not arise.

[ Translation] THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- Migrants from Jammu and Kashmir TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) Departmental Casual Labourers engaged in 2827. SHRI RAGHAVJI: Will the Min- cable laying in Madhya Pradesh are paid ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: wages at the daily rates worked out on the basis of the minimum of the pay scale appli- (a) the number of persons who have cable to corresponding regular employees migrated from Jammu and Kashmir to other of the Department plus Dearness Allowance parts of the country during the period 1 as admissible. January, 1988 to 28 February. 1990; and

(b) the facilities. if any, provided by (b) No complaints have been receivec Union Government for their rehabilitation? regarding the wages paid to the departmen· tal Casual Labourers in the Chhatisgart Region ot M.P. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRt MUFTI MOHAMMAD SA YEED): (a) (c) Does not arise in view of reply to (b· The iriformation is being ascertained, which above. 471 Written AnswetS MARCH 29, 1990 c._ Registered In Connection wHh te) the reaction of Government in re- 1184 Riots gard thereto?

2829. SHRI RAGHAVJI: W~I the Min- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- ister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAl): (a) to (c). As far (a) the total number of criminal cases as the Government is aware, no commit- registered in connection with the riots that ment has been made by the Soviet Union to took place in Delhi within a week after the Pakistan in this regard. assassination of Smt. Indira Gandhf; Identity Cards to Citizens In Rajasthan (b) the number of cases of murder, arson and looting out of these separately; 2831. SHRIAJITKUMARPANJA: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (c) the total number of persons against to state: whom criminal cases have been registered, and the details of action taken against them (a) whether Government are aware of so far; and dual citizenship of a sizable number of population in the border districts of Jaisalmer and (d) the number of incidents in which no Barmer in Rajasthan; and criminal cases have yet been registered, and the reasons therefor? (b) if so, the action being taken by Government to identify the Indian citizens for THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS distribution of Identity Cards to them? (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) 391. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (b) 89 cases of murder and 136 cases (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) of looting and arson. The Constitution of India does not provid& for dual citizenship. (c) Criminal cases registered against (b) Under the Pilot Scheme for Issue of 2329 persons. Out of them, 80 have already Identity Cards in operation in selected tehsils been convicted. of Ganganagar, Jaisalmer, Barmer and Bikaner districts of the State of Rajasthan, Cd) All incidents reported to the police the identity cards are being issued to bonafide within a week are covered under these 391 residents and the card is not linked to citizen- cases. ship.

[English] Influx of Bangladeshis into india

Soviet Nuclear Power Plant to Pak..... 2832. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- DAL: 2830. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Will the SHRI PARASRAM BHARD- Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleaa.j WAJ: to state: SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA (a) whether it has come to the no&ice of NARASIMHA RAJA Gowwnment that the Soviet Union is to supply WADIYAR: nudear power plant to Pakistan; Win the Minister of HOME AFFAIU; be (b) if so, thE; lacts thereof; and pleased to state: 473 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 474

(a) whether there is no let-up in the ganisation (FAO) adopted a resolution, to influx of Bangladeshis into India, particularly which India was a party, for the inclusion of in Tripura; Prior Informed Consent in the International Code of Conduct on the Distribution and Use (b) if so, the stpps being taken to of Pesticides in its 25th Session held in implement the Inner Line Regulation Act to November, 1989 at Rome. prevent the influx; and (b) The main emphasis of the Code is (c) the other measures taken or pro- on: posed to check the infiltration? i) regulation of the manufacture THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS and use of pesticides in the (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) country. No, Sir. There is considerable let up in the influx of Bangla,deshi refugees into India. ii) establishing machanism for including Tripura. ensuring the quality of pesticides and safety in the distribu- (b) Inner line Regulation, is not relevant tion of pesticides. to preventing influx of Bangladesh refugees. iii) regulatory machanism for en- (c) More border outposts and observa- forcIng standards so as to en- tion post towers of BSF have been set up, hance bio-efficacy and reduce and sophisticated equipment, and vehicles health and environmental haz- etc. have been provided to increase vig- ards In the manufacture and ilance on the border. trade of pesticides; and

WHO Code in Pesticides iv) prescription of labelling, pack- aging, storage and disposal 2833. SHRl P.R. KUMARAMANGA- requirements and restrictions. LAM: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be These matters are already pleased to state: governed by the provision of Insecticides Act. 1968 and suit- (a) whether Government have by now able infrastructure for their adopted WHO code on Pesticide Including impleme"tation exists. the Prior Informed Consent clause in view of its acceptance in principle in the FAO Coun- [ Translation] cil meeting held at Rome; and Allocation for Rajasthan Under Border (b) whether the infrastructure now Areas Development Programme available is adequate to implement various provisions of the Code and Insecticides Act 2834. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- and if so, the details thereof indicating weak- GAVA: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS nesses, if any, and remedial steps proposed? be pleased to state:

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (a) whether Government had approved MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI a scheme of about Rupees 130 crores for LAL): (a) There is no WHO Code on pesti- Rajasthan under the Border Areas Develop- cide. However, Food and Agriculture Or- ment Programme during 1986-87 and nearly 4 T, Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 476

14 erore rupees had also been allotted for recruitment of clerical and technical services the first year in this regard; in Punjab;

(b) whether the State Government had (b) if so, whether Government are utilised the allotted amount; considering to lift this ban; and

(c) whether the remaining amount was (c) if not, the reasons therefor? made available during the succeeding years u'lder the said scheme and if not, the rea- THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS sons t~erefor; (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) No, Sir. (d) whether the State Government has demanded an additional amount of 11 crore (b) and (c). Do not arise. rupees under this scheme for generation of power from solar energy in 800 villages of Expenditure on Foreign Tours of Prime Ganga'lagar, Bikaner, Jaisalmer and Barmer Minister af"ld for other programmes: and 2836. SHRI SUDARSAN (e) whether Government propose to RA YCHAUDHURI: Will the Minister of HOME allot the said amount Immediately? AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (a) the expenditure incurred for con- (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) ducting foreign tour programmes ofthe Prime Border Area Development Programme was Mmister during December, 1989 to Febru- taken up as a part of Special Areas Pro- ary, 1990 and December 1988 to February, grammq In the 7th Five Year Plan with an 1989; and outlay of Rs. 200 crores. A provIsion of Rs. 40 crares was made In 86-87. Schemes (b) the amount of expenditure incurred costing Rs. 14. 14 crores in respect of Ra- for the security arrangements at home for jasthan were sanctioned during 86-87. the Prime Minister during December 198a to February 1990 and December 1988 to Feb- (b) to (e). In November, 1986, rt was ruary, 1989? decided to reorient the Programme so as to confine it to the education sector only. Out of THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS thetotal7th Plan allocation of Rs. 200 crores, (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): (a) Rs. 150 crores were transferred to Ministry The expenditure incurred for conducting of Human Resource Development with ef- foreign tour programmes of the Prime Minis- feet from the financial year 1987-88. ter during December. 1988 to February 1989 was Rs. 1,65,96,7621- approximately. The [English] Prime Minister used an JAF plane for his tour to Pakistan and usual T AIDA was paid to the Ban on Recruitment in Punjab Officers during foreign tours as admissible under the Rules. The Prime Minister did not 2835. SHRI KIRPAL SINGH: Will the undertake any tour abroad during Decem- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased. to ber, 1989 to February, 1990. state: The Special Protection Group (SPG) is (a) whether ban has been imposed on responsible for providing proximate security 477 Written Answers CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 478 to the Prime Minister and the members of his and Sirohi, where desert-like conditions family. SPG also provides security at the prevail; residence and the office of the Prime Minis- ter in Delhi. Besides SPG, '''ere are other (b) whether Government of Rajasthan agencies involved in providing security to have submitted a proposal for inclusion of the Prime Minister like Deihl Police and the this area under the Desert Area Develop- State Police Authorities. ment Programme; and

(b) The approximate amount incurred (c) if so, the action taken in this regard? on the salary, wages, travel expenditure and transport of SPG personnel dunng Decem- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND ber, 1989 to February, 1990 was As. MINISTEA OF AGAICUL TURE (SHRI DEVI 94,78,384/- and Qunng December 1988 to LAL). (a) The Central Arid Zone Research February, 1989 was As. 81,80,855/-. Institute, Jodhpur has not made any such demarcation. Duetobioticdegradation some Mobile Wireless Car Telephones desertification is occuring in the said region but quantified data are not available. 2837. DR. K. KALIMUTHU: Will the Mrnlsterof COMMUNICATIONS be pleased (b) and (c). The Government of Rajast- to state: han have submitted a memorandum to the National Committee on Drought Prone Ar- (a) whether Government propose to eas Programme (DPAP) and Desert Devel- manufacture mobile Wireless cartelephones; opment Programme (DDP) to include 502 If so, the details thereof· and villages of 11 Panchayat Samities in the Districts of Udaipur, Ajmer, Jaipur and Sirohi (b) whether Government also propose In ~he Desert Development Programme to Import such mobile Wireless car tele- (DDP) or to start a separate 100 per cent phones: If so, the expendIture likely to be centrally sponsored programme for devel- incurred in their Import? opment of these areas. The National Com- mittee will look into all memoranda submit- THE MIN ISTER OF SU RF ACE TRANS- ted by various State Governments. A deci- PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- sion to Include new areas under the DDP TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN): (a) and DPAP would be taken only after the and (b). There are ro p'oposal under con- report of the Committee is submitted to the Sideration at present Government.

[ Translation] [English]

Desert Area Development Programme Soil Conservation Scheme in catch- in Rajasthan ment Areas of Orissa

2838. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- 2839. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: GAVA: Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be be pleased to state. pleased to state:

(a) whether the Central Desert Re- (a) whether Government are imple- search Institute has demarcated an area of menting a Central plan scheme with 100 per 400 sq. kilometers of Jalpur, Udaipur. Ajmer cent Central assistance since the Third Five 479 Written Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 480

Year Plan period for afforestation and soil of catchment of Kharasua river has not been conservation in catchment areas: received from the State Government. The above request of the State Government of (b) if so, the details of the catchlTlent Orissa was considered in consultation with areas of Orissa where the scheme has been the Planning Commission. On account of implemented and the area covered so far resources constraint, it has not been pos- under plantation; sible to cover additional catchments during the Seventh Five Year Plan. (c) whether Orissa Gover rl:1 C '11 , l<1ve requested to increase the area of the scheme Indo-FAO Agreement on Vegetable Oils to cover some flood prone catchment areas of the rivers like Brahmani. Baitarnl and 2840. SHRI BALESHWAR YADAV: Kharasua in Cuttack District of Ollssa, Wril the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: (d) if so, the details thereof: and (a) whe~her an agreement has been (e) if not, the reasons therefor? signed recently between India and United f\;ations' Food and Agricultural Organisa- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND tions for formulating a long term scheme in MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI the country In the field of vegetable oils; and LAL): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so. the details of the agreement (b) A Centrally Sponsored Scheme of and by what time it is likely to be Imple- Soil and Water CO'1servatlon In the Catch- mented? ments of River Vallery Projects of Hlrakud, Machkund/Sileru and Rengali-Mandlra in the THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND State of Orissa is under execution since MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DEVI Third Five Year Plan with 100% Central LAl): (a) Yes, Sir. An agreement has been assistance comprising 50% grant and 50% signed, on 17th January 1990, between loan. An area of 1 ,83,310 hectares~' 3S so far Government of India and Food & Agricultural been treated with soil conservation meas- Organisation of the United Nations for for- ures including afforestation from Inception of mulating long term policy strategies for the scheme till end of the year 1988-89. vegetable oils. Afforestation is one of the treatment measures followed in these Catchments. The area (b) The main objectives of the Project land covered by afforestation and allied are: measures like pasture development, horticulture, etc. IS about 97000 ha. till the end of 1988-89. (i) to evaluate alternative strategies for the development of (c) to (e). Yes, Sir. A request from the oilseed sub-sector upto the year State Government of Orissa has been re- 2000 AD and their policy impli- ceived for inclusion of t"e catchments of cations for production, con- Brahmani, Baitarni and Kansbans rivers sumption, processing and mar- under the ongoing Centrally Sponsored keting; and Scheme of Soil Conservation of Integrated Watershed Management in the Catchments (ii) to identify possible project ideas of Flood Prone Rivers. Request for indusion for future technical assistance. 481 Written Answers CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 482

Under the Project, FAa will provide the you. You have written to me. When I give you services of four Consultants with speciC)lisa- permission, then you can do that. You have tion in oilseed crop development; process- written to me. That is all. ing; marketing and a senior economist as a Mission leader. PROF. SAIF-UO-OIN SOZ: I do not want any discussion on this although I have The Project is financed by FAa's Tech- given notice of a Call Attention Motion. I want nical Cooperation Programme with alloca- that you should ask the Home Minister to tion of US $ 1,91,000. The work on the make a statement on this. Kindly allow me project would start in September, 1990 and now only to read a very 'imall. brief, para- complete by March, 1991. graph.

MR. SPEAKER: I do not pElrmit you to read it.

(I n terruptions) SHRI JANAROHANA POOJARY (Mangalore): There is a report that there is 12.00 hrs. an exodus of thousands of people from Kashmir to Pakistan. The report says that [English] thousands of people are migrating to Paki- stan. Now the Government is sleeping over MR. SPEAKER: 'am calling Prof. Sait- that. If the report is wrong, the Minister ud-dm SOZ. should make a statement denying that. It is a very serious matter. Even the Prime MiniS- PROF SAIF-UO-OIN SOZ (Baramulla): ter has gone on re","Ord ... I have to place on the Table of the House, with your permission, of course, a report MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. Shri from a Human Rights Orgai1lsatlon, Indian Ram Sagar organisation, called 'Committee for Initiative on Kashmir.' It had sent a team to Kashmir SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: This comprising four people, Shn Tapan Bose report has been given by BBC. If it is wrong, and others. They went to KashmlrValley and Government should deny it and the Minister they collected facts and I find these facts are should make a statement. (Interruptions) correct. It is a factual report. SHRI RAM SAGAR (Sara Banki): Mr. MR. SPEAKER: Have you Jlven It In Speaker, Sir, there are certain criminal gangs writing? operating in some areas of the country which kidnap and subsequerttly kill the young and PROF. SAIF-UO-OIN S02: Yes. Innocent children to take out theIr kidneys to supply the same to foreign countnes at the MR. SPEAKER: Then why do you raise rate of Rs. 3 lakhs each. There IS a village it now? called Makhdoompur in tehsil Saidpur in district Gazipur In Uttar Pradesh which falls PROF. SAIF-UO-OIN Sal: I am plac- in my constituency. Recently !t on 1st F eoru- ing on the Table after reading only a very ary, three seventh class studElnts of thiS small paragraph. village named Shallendra Kumar S,ngh, Saniay Kumar Singh and Nagina Singh had MR. SPEAKER: I have not permitted been kidnapped but tr~ thl date they ('ould 483 WriNen Answers MARCH 29, 1990 Written Answers 484 not be traced. (Interruptions) starving. I have given notice of this matter under Rule 377 also. I request the Central MR. SPEAKER: You should not read a Government through you to intervene in this statement here. Please take your seat. matter so that fam ine relief work may be undertaken in that area. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) [English] KUMAR I MAYAWATI (BiJnor): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on the day of 'Holj' the thakurs SHRI M.J. AKBAR (Kishanganj): Sir, I of Rudayanpur in Aligarh district of Uttar would like to have a statement from the Pradesh burnt down the houses of 40 'Jatav' Government on how our good friend Mr. Scheduled Caste persons with the help of Kuldip Nayar, our High Commissioner in capitalist forces. These persons were mercI- London was insulted and humiliated when lessly beater and their houses were also he went to a Gurudwara. What action has ransacked. A man called Daata Ram was been taken in thiS matter? I would like you to burnt alive and also his wheat crop on a 35 direct the Minister to make a statement. 'bigha' of land was set on fIre ( Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: This matter falls under [ Trans/ation] the jurisdiction of the State Government. SHRI VIJA Y KUMAR MALHOTRA (Interruptions) (Delhi Sadar): Mr. Speaker. Sir. 12 hard- core terrorists have escaped from Srinagar KUMARI MAYAWATI· Sir, I would like Jail could you please ask the han. Home to draw your attention towards an incident Minister to make a statement in this regard which took place In Madhya Pradesh where stating as to why these 12 hard core terror- some orthodox elements stripped some Ists were lodged in Srinagar jail and also as young women belonging to Scheduled to why they were not kept in any other jail in Castes and Scheduled Tribes to the buff and the country? When it was known to the made them dance on the Hair day. A ReSIS- Government that the jail staff were sympa- tance on the part of these women led to their thetic to these terrorists, why were the latter thrashing. (Interruptions) not moved to a jail in Delhi or Jammu? The han. Home Minister should come out with a MR. SPEAKER You cannot read a statement stating as to how these hard~re statement here. You have had your say. terrorists managed their escape and now Now please take your seat. what further steps are being taken by the Government in this regard. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Agnihotri. Please DR. KHUSHAL PARASRAM: Mr. sit down. Speaker, Sir, the Congress (I) Government In Maharashtra is neglectIng my constitu- ( Interruptions) ency because' am an MP belonging to the B.J.P. Entire Bhandara district ;s reeling MR. SPEAKER: You are speaking with- under drought and famine but no relief op- out my permission. I have not permitted you erations have started there. Lakhs of people to speak. I sheslliook into it only after all of you have been rendered homeless. They are have taken your seats. 485 Papers laid CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Papers laid 486

(Interruptions) (a) (i) Review by the Govern- ment on the working of MR. SPEAKER: I have called Shri theParadeepPhosphates Thomas. limited, Bhubaneswar, for the year 1988-89.

[English] (ii) Annual Report of the Paradeep Phosphates SHRI p.e. THOMAS (Muvattupuzha): Limited, Bhubaneswar, for Sir, it has been Widely reported in the Press the year 1988-89 along that one News Editor in the Ministry of Infor- with Audited Accounts mation and Broadcasting in the TV Division and comments of the has been transferred recently for not having Comptroller and Auditor reported the news relating to the ViSit of the General thereon. [Placed Prime Minister to Namibia In the manner in in Library See No LT - 562190]. which the Information and Broadcasting Minister wanted. (Interruptions) (b) (i) ReView by the Govern- ment on the working of the Goa Meat Complex Limited, Panjim, for the 12.07 hrs. year 1988-89.

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (ii) Af'nual Report of the Goa Meat Complex Limited, [ Translation] Panjlm, for the year' 988- 89 along With Audited Notification under Essential Commodi- Accounts and comments ties Act, 1955, Review on and Annual of the Comptroller and Report of Paradeep Phosphates Ltd., Auditor General thereon. Bhubaneswar, for 1988-89, of Goa Meat [Placed In Library. SeeNo. Complex Ltd., Panjim for 1988-89 etc. LT-563190J,

THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND (c) (i) ReView by the Govern- MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI DE VI ment on the working of LAL): I beg to lay on the Table of the House. the Fertilizer Corporation of India Limited, New Delhi, for the year' 988- C') A copy of the Fertiliser (Control) 89. (Amendment) Order, 1990 (Hindi and English versions) published in (ii) Annual Report of the Fer- Notification No. S.O. , 40 (E) in tilizer Corporation of India Gazette of India dated the 12th Limite(i Nf-"v'IDelhi, forthe February, 1990 under sub-section "ear , oq~,-P9 310ng with (6) of section 3 of the Essential Audited A.... ._'ounts and Commodities Ad, 1955. [Placed in COn1Jlhm' _ of the Comp- Library. See No. LT-561190J. troller ')"; ..\l'(,.!,tor Gen- era' t .... e( ),,'" tplaced in (2) A copy each of the following papers LIbrary ~) 'I>JNo. L T-5641 (Hindi and English versions) under 90} sub-section (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, 1956:- (d) {i} ReVIew by thf? Goverr> 487 Papers laid MARCH 29, 1990 Papers laid 488

ment on the working of (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi the Pyrites Phosphates _and EngJlshversions)bythe and Chemicals Limited, Government on the working for the year 1988·89. of the National federation of Cooperative Sugar Fac- (ii) Annual Report of the Pyri· tories Limited" New Delhi, tes Phosphates and for the year 1988-89. . Ch9micals Limited, forthe year 1988-89 along with (7) A statement (Hindi and English Audited Accounts and versions) showing reasons for de- comments of the Comp- lay in laying the papers mentioned troller and Auditor Gen· at (6) above. [Placed in Lbrary. eral thereon. See No. LT-56719O].

(3) Four statements (Hindi and Eng- (8) (i) A copy of the Annual Report lish versions) showing reasons for (Hindi and English versions) delay In laYing the papers men- of the All India Federation of tioned at (2) above. {Placed in Cooperative Spinning Mills Library. See No. LT -565190]. Limited, Bombay, for the year 1988-89 along with (4) A copy each of the following papers Audited Accounts. (Hindi and English versions) under section 619A of the Companies (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi Act, 1956:- and English versions) by the Government on the working (i) ReVIew by the Government of the All India Federation of on the working of the Tam;! Cooperative Spinning Mills Nadu Agro-Industries Cor· Limited, Bombay, for the paration Limited, Madras, for year 1988-89. the year 1986-87. (9) A statement (Hindi and English (ii) Annual Report of the Tamil versions) showing reasons for de- Nadu Agro-Industries Cor- 12Y in laying the papers mentioned poration Limited, Madras, for at (8) above. [Placed in Library. the year 1986-87 along with See No. LT -568190]. Audited Accounts and com· ments of the Comptroller and (10) (i) A copy of the Annual Report Auditor General thereon. (Hindi and English versions) of the National Heavy Engi- (5) A statement (Hindi and English neering Cooperative lim- versions) showing reasons for de- ited, Puns, for the year 1988- lay in laying the papers mentioned 89 along with Audited k- at (4) above. [Placed in Library. counts. See No. LT·566190).

(6) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi (Hindi and English versions) and English versions) by the of the National Federation Government on the working of Cooperative Sugar Fac· of the National Heavy Engi- tories Limited, New Delhi, neering Cooperative Um- for the year 1988·89 along ited, Puna. for the year 1988- with Audited Accounts. 89. 489 Papers laid CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Papers laid 490

(11) A statement (Hindi and English (15) A statement (hindi and English versions) showing reasons for de- versions) s!1owing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned lay in laying the papers mentioned at (10) above. [placed 10 library. at (14) above. [placed in lbrary. See No. l T-569190]. See 00. l T-571190]

(12) (i) A ropy of the Annual Report (16) (i) A ropy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) (Hindi and English versions) of the NatIOnal Federation of the National Federation of State Cooperative Banks of FIShermen's C0opera- limited, Bombay, for the tives Limited, New Delh~ for year 1988-89. the year 1988-89.

(iii A copy of the Annual Ac- (ii) A copy of the Annual Ac- counts (Hindi and English counts (Hindi and English versIOns) of the National versions) of the National Federation of State C0op- Federation of Rshermen's erative Banks Limited, Coope.atives limited, New Bombay, for the year 1988- Delhi, for the year 1988-89 89 together with Audit Re- together with Audit Report port thereon. thereon.

(iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and Enghsh versIOns) by the and English versions) by the Govemment on the wortung Government on the working of the National FederatIOn of the National Federation of State Cooperative Banks of Fishermen's Coopera- limited, Bombay, for the tives limrted. New Delhi, for year 1988-89. the year 1988-89.

(13) A statement (Hindi and English (17) A statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for de- versions) ShoWing reasor's for delay in laying the papers mentioned lay in laying the papers mentioned at (12) above. [Placed in library. at (16) above. [Placed in lbrary. See No. l T-570-90]. See No. l T-572190].

(14) (i) A ropy of the Annual Report (18) (i) A ropy of the Annual R8port (Hindi and English versions) (Hindi and English versions) of the National Cooperative of the National Federation Dairy Federation of India of labour Cooperatives limited. Anand, for the year limited. New Delhi. for the 1988-89 along with Audited year 1988-89 along with Accounts. Audited Acnlunts.

(ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English versions) by the and English versions) by the Government on the working Government on the working of the National Cooperative Of the National Federation Dairy Federation of India of labour Cooperatives Limited, Anand, for the year limited. New Delhi, for the 1988-89. year -1988-89. 491 Papers laid MARCH 29, 1990 Papers laid 492

(19) A statement (Hindi and English [English] versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned Notification under Deihl Municipal Cor- at (18) above. [Placed in Library. poration Act, 1957; Report of Committee See No. LT -573190). on Re-organlsatlon of Deihl set up (Part I and I) Hindi version, Annual Report of and Review on Repatriates Cooperative (20) A statement (Hindi and English Finance and Development Bank Ltd., versions) explaining reasons for not Madras, for 1988-89 etc. laying the Annual Report and Au- dited Accounts of the National THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Seeds Corporation Limited for the (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): Sir, year 1988-89 within the stipulated I beg to lay on the Table- period of nine months after the close of the Accounting year. [Placed in (1) A copy of the Notification No. U- Library. Se eNo. LT-574J90]. 14011/160189-Delhi (i) (Hindi and English versions) published in Delhi Gazette dated the 6th January, (21 ) (i) A copy of the Annual Report 1990 regarding supersession of the (Hindi and English versions) Municipal Corporation of Delhi for a of the National Cooperative period of four months with effect Development Corporation, from 6th January, 1990, under sub- New Delhi, forthe year 1988- section (3) of section 490 of the 89. Delhi Municipal Corporation Act, 1957. (ii) A copy of the Annual Ac- counts (Hindi and English (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) of the National versions) explaining reasons for Cooperative Development supersession of the Municipal Corporation, New Delhi, for Corporation of Delhi. [Placed in the year 1988-89 together Library. See No. L T -576190]. with Audit Report thereon. (3) A copy of the Report of Committee (iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi on Reorganisation of Delhi Set-up and English vetsions) by the (Part-I and II) (Hindi version). Government on the working (English version of the Report was of the National Cooperative laid on the Table on 29.12.1989. Development Corporation, [Placed in Library. See No. LT- New Delhi, fortheyear 1988- 5nI90). 89. (4) (i) A copv of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) (22) A statement (Hindi and English of the Repatriates Coopera- versions) showing reasons for de- tive Finance and Development lay in laying the papers mentioned Bank Limited, Madras, for the at (21) above. [Placed in Library. year 1988-89 along with Au- See No. L T -575190]. dited Accounts. 493 Papers laid CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Papers laid 494 Oi) A copy of the Review (Hindi laying the Annual Report and Au- and English versions) by the dited Accounts of the Mahanagar Government on the working of Telephones Nigam Limited, New the Repatriates Cooperative Delhi, for the year , 988-89 within Finance and Development the stipulated period of nine months Bank limited, Madras for the after the close of the Accounting year 1988-89. [Placed In year. [Placed in Library. See No. Library. See No. LT -578/90]. LT -580190].

[ Trans/atlon] (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) explaining reasons for not SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA laying the Annual Report and Au- (Delhi Sadar): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am on a dited Accounts of the Videsh San- POint of order. A notification was Issued to char Nigam limited, Bombay, for keep the Corporation In suspended anima- the year 1988-89 within the stipu- tion for a penod of 4 months I would like to lated period of nine months after make a submiSSion In this regard. The penod the close of the Accounting year. of suspension was fixed as four months of [placed In Library. See LT-581! whIch three months have already elapsed 90]. and nowonlyone month IS left. In this context ! would therefore like to know as to what ( Interruptions) deCISIon has been taken by the government regarding the grant of statehood to Deihl. (Interruptions)

Detailed Demands for Grants of the [ Translation] Ministry of the Ministry of External Affairs for 1990-91 MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. I had called you. Where had you been? Shri [Eng/ish] Vas ant Sathe.

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AF- SHRI VASA NT SATHE (Vardha): Mr. FAIRS (SHRII.K. GUJRAL)' Sir, I beg to lay Speaker, SIr, I would like to request you to onthe Table acopyofthe Detailed Demands ask the Home MI nister or the Government to for Grants (Hindi and English versions) oUhe come out with a statement regarding the Ministry of External Affairs for 1990-91. escape of 11 persons from Srinagar jail. [Placed in Library See No LT -579/90]. MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. Statements explaining reasons for not laying Annual Report, etc. of Mahanagar ( Interruptions) Telephone Nigam Ltd., New Delhi and Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd., Bombay for 1988-89 SHRIVASANTSATHE: When will they make the statement?

THE MINISTER OF SURFACE TRANS- MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, please take PORT AND MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- your seat. TIONS (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN)' Sir, I beg to lay on the Table- SHRIVASANTSATHE: Willtheycome out with a statement? (1 ) A statement (Hindi and English versions) explaining reasons for not MR. SPEAKER: What can I say? 495 Papers laid MARCH 29, 1990 Papers /akJ 496 [English) (Interruptions)

I cannot direct him. [English]

[ Translation) SHRI VASANT SATHE: Can the Gov- ernment be so insensitive? Can the Home SHRIVASANTSATHE: Aretheygotng Minl;::,ter say: to make a statement or not? What act!On they are going to take as per your direc- [ Trans/ation] tions? that ttley do not react. 11 persons have MR. SPEAKER: What can I say? ~s A!ped and they are not reacting to It? You do not want to react on tnls Issue. What is [English) ~ uur ;:rttrtude? .(lnterruptlOns)

SHRI MADHAVRAOSCINDIA: Areyou SHRI VASANT SATHE. They cannot gOing to give a:l assurance? go against your direction. (lnterruptlOns~ MR SPEAKER: It IS under our consid- MR. SPEAKER Mr T"omas. please eration go to your seat. ( InterruptIOns) [ Translation] MR SPEAKER: Please go back to your seat What are you dOing? Please go to your Please take your seat .( InterruptIOns) seat

SHRI VASANT SATHE. Have you ( InterruptIOns) direded them to give a statement? What have you said to them? SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: Please listen to me. Please listen to my MR. SPEAKER: The Speaker does subm ISSlOn ., (Interruptions) not give such directions. You have to give a notice. Have you given a notIce? [Eng/;sh]

[English] MR. SPEAKER: Let us hear Mr. Ad- vam.

SHRI MAOHAVRAO SCINDlA (Gwal- [ Translation] ior): Yes, Sir, we have given Calling Atten- tion Notice. SHRI LK. ADVANI (New Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir ... (/nterruptions) MR. SPEAKER: That will be duly considered. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: You do not listen to us, we are also Members of this ( Interruptions) House.

MR. SPEAKER: I have listened to yOJJ. [ Translation) ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: All of you, please take your seats. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA: We only 497 Papers laid CHAITRA 8. 1912 (SAKA) Papers laid 498 want an assurance through you that they will take your seat. come out with a statement or calling attention will be admitted on this important issue. (/ntem.ptions) so that reaction of the Government on it may be known and their position may become THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS clear... (Interruptions) (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEEO): Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday 12 terrorists es- MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. caped from the Srinagar Jail in J & K k is a very serious matter. They should not have ( Interruptions) been kept there. Directions had already been issued that such terrorists should be kept in [English] the Jammu jail. But how all this happened and what adion has the State Administration SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO (Ramtek). taken in this connection ... ( Inte~ions) You are consldertng the notice given But I would say that on a matter like thiS, the MR. SPEAKER: Brahmbhattji. please Government should not walt for notice to take your seat. 'Iou had demcUlded that the come. Suo moto they should come with a Home Minister should make a statement; statement becausp the whole country IS but now when he is making a statement. you WOrried about It. This is what the Govern- are not listening to him, so please take your ment ought to have done. seat.

SHRt MADHAVRAO SCINDIA" Very ( Intenuptions) serious matter. .. (Interruptions) SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAVEEO: [ Translation] Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would provide all the details and explain the complete situation in SHRt L.K. ADVANI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, a the House. The statement in this connection tjuestion was raised by my friend Shn will be made today itseH. Malhotra and it has also beer. ialsed by Shn Sathe, Shn Madhavrao Scmcla and Shri ( Interruptions) Narslmha Rao also. I think the entire House is very much warned about thiS Incident. MR. <>PEAKER: The Home Minister Even otherwise we "II know It that the prob- will make a statement in this regard. lem of Kashmir a~d the situation prevailing there is very serious. But, if such a thing SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI happens. we expect from the Government (Jhansi): Mr. Speaker, Sir. all the five dis- that it will take the entire House into confi- tricts of the Bundekhand region of Uttar dence and place all the facts before Pradesh are facing a severe drought and this them ... (Interruptions) has happened not only this year but for the last 3 years. People are fleeing this region as MR. SPEAKER: Sharmaji. please take they have been left with no means to earn your seat. their livelihood and it has become a question of life and death for them. Being a rocky area. (Interruptions) wells have dried up and people are virtuaIy dying for want of water. So the question of MR. SPEAKER: Yes, Mr. Home Minister. drinking water is really very important. There- fore Mr. Speaker. Sir. I YfOUId urge upon the ( Interruptions) hon. Minister that he should immediately Issue diredions for starting relief work there. MR. SPEAKER: Shri Dharam Palji, Mr. Speaker, Sir, the situation is very grim please follow the rules of the House. Please and it is a question of fife and death for the 499 Papers laid MARCH 29, 1990 Matters Under Rule 377 500 people living there. All the four han. mem- is Salmonela Tyfa. What I am requesting, bers representing that region are present through you, so that the Central Health here, so you are requested to call upon the Department, in case of such epidemics, han. Minister of Agriculture to make a state- should send a special team of doctors and ment in this regard ... (Jnterruptions) experts with proper medicines to West bengal immediately ... (lnterruptions) SHRIMADANLALKHURANA~o~h Delhi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had given a notice SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY (Krishnagiri): for calling attention regarding people being Sir, a very serious situation has arisen. A forcibly kept as bonded labourers in· the very serious statement has been made in the Beggars Home being run by the Deihl Madras Assembly yesterday. At that time, Administration ... (Interruptions) yesterday, our han. Prime Minister was hosting a very good and warm reception to People who come from U.P. and Bihar the IPKF. But the Chief Minister has uttered in search of work are being kept there as something which is against the armed forces bonded labourers In the name of beggars. of our country ... (Interruptions) Han. Minister for Labour and the lieutenant Governor of Deihl have seen for themselves MR. SPEAKER: You had your say. about 15 days back that Graduates and Now, Matters under Rule 377. Professors are being kept In the Beggars Home. Orders were issued to release them, butthey have not been released so far. It was found during the VISit that 275 out of 350 people were persons who shOuld not have 12.20 hrs. been kept there as beggars. I would demand that the han. Minister for labour should MATIERS UNDER RULE 377 make a statement in this regard. [English] SHRJ TASLIMUDIN (Purnea): Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is acute scarcity of salt in (i) Need for taking steps for saving Bihar and it is not available even at Rs. 5 per forests in Kerala Kg. Government should pay attention In thiS direction ... (Interruptions) SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMACHAN- DRAN (Cannanore): KeraJa's wealth lies in SHRJMATI USHA VERMA (Kheri): Mr. her luxuriant forests, her numerous rivers Speaker, Sir, district Lakhimpur Khen was and her long coastal line. However, the alarm- struck by a severe hailstorm on the 22nd of ing shrinking of forest cover, over exploita- this months and crops in Qne or two tehslls tion of the river systems and poor manage- were completel~ destroyed. The farmers do ment 01 industrial and domestic effluence, not have anything to feed even thelrchlldren. have all lett their ugly mark on Kerala's The situation is very grim there. I appeal to environment. the hon. Minister of Agriculture to make a statement on thIS ... (InterruptIons) Though statIstics of different agencies vary regarding the extent of actual denuda- {English1 tion of forest in Kerala, it is a more or less an accepted fact that the forest cover has shrunk SHRI AJIT PANJA (Calcutta South from 44% in 1905 to 27% in the sixties and to East): Sir. in the whole of West Bengal, 10% in the early eighties and is shll continu- particularly in Calcutta 1,000 children are ing to shrink at an alarming rate. This has affected by a peculiar type of disease with destroyed the rare flora and fauna of the land high fever . The School of Trophical Medicine and environmentalists say that the land- could not identify it. They are saying !hat this slides and flash floods are also a direct 501 Matters under CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Ru1e377 502 consequence of the denudation of forests. [ Translation]

I therefore, earnestly request the han. (Iv) Need to complete construction Minister for Environment and Forests to ban of dam over the river Kosi be- use of forest land for non-forest purposes in tween Dargia and Phubian in Kerala and to see that the same is strictly Bihar enforced. SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY (Rosera): 12.22 hrs. Sir, approval was given to the construction of Dargia Phubian dam on the Kosi river in [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chaitj Bihar in 1978; but work on it was later stopped In 1980, and since then the dam is lying (ii) Need for converting the Main incomplete due to which hundreds of vil- Central Road in Kerala into a lages in the surrounding areas get sub- National Highway merged during floods, causing heavy loss of life and property. Tha areas affected mainly SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA (Kot- by the floods include Hasanpur Sindhia in tayam): Malll Central Road (M.C. Road) IS district Samastipur and Ghanshyampur Vi- one of th~ important roads In Kerala It starts ral and Kusheshwar in district Durgapur. from Angamaly, Ernakulam district and ends in Trivandrum. Actually, this road IS a parallel So, I urge the Central Government to road to the National Highway 47. covering restart the construction work on this dam. Kottayam, Pathyanemthitta. Alleppey and Quilon districts. I request the Central Gov- [Eng/ish] ernment to convert this road Into a National Highway. (v) Need to treat lawyers in the special category in the matter of (iii) Need for constructing another allowing telephone connections airport near Cochin

CH. JAGDEEP DHANKHAR PROF. K.V. THOMAS (Ernakulam): A (Jhunjhunu): In the matter of allotment of modern airport haVing the facihty tt' land Air new telephone connections all over the Bus. is a long cherished deSire of the people country, priority is extended to certain well- of Cachin. Cochln being the industrial capital defined categories-that of industry, doc- of Kerala, attracts a large number of people tors. midwives, etc. They are entitled to new from different parts of the country and abroad. telephone connections in special category. Among the national aIrports. Cochln airport Such a facility is not available to the mem- stands 7th in the collection of revenue. But, bers of the legal faculty. There can be no the present airport being a naval airfield. has dispute that lawyer are engaged in discharge the facil'!)' to receive only Boeing aircrafts. of public functIOns and are to maintain con- ,here was a proposal from the Civil AviatIOn stant communICations with the litigants. In Ministry to strengthen the present runway to the present times. littgants are required to be enable landing of Air Bus 320. But the work in touch with the lawyers from considerable of strengthening the runway has been de- distance. There is all tlie more compelling layed. As it is diffICult to expand the present necessity for a lawyer to have easy commu- aIrfield due to constraints caused by the nication. In such a situation, it will be ex- Coch,n port. it is requested that a new airport tremely desirable to treat lawyers as a class may be constructed In another place near in the special category in the matter of allot- the city. There IS enough space at Kalamas- ment of newtelephone connections. I strongly sery in the possession of H.M.T. Unit. which urge the Government to take necessary steps can be used for developing the new airport. towards this direction speedily. 503 Matters under MARCH 29~ 1990 Ru1e377 504 (vi) Need to take steps to revive ment payment of wages, bonus, etc. has not cement Industry in Sawa. Mad- been made to the workers of the Katihar jute hopur, Rajasthan mil in Bihar. This miD was being run by the Industrial Development Corporation of the DR. KJROOI LAL MEENA (Sawai Mad- State but the production is at a standstill hopur): Swai Madhopur district in Rajasthan there due to non-availability of raw material. is basically a tribal area with more than 6lakh The mill is open and the attendance is also voters belonging to scheduled castes and taken regularly; but wages have not been scheduled trbes. In this area, cement pl3nt paid since April, 1988. due to which the plight is the only industry employing more than of workers is miserable. 5,000 workers which not only provide livelihood to the 50,000 members of their families Therefore, I request the Central Gov- but on it depends the economy of the entire ernment to take over the highly modernized area. These 5.000 employees of the com- Katihar Jute Mill and alleviate the conditions pany have not received their salaries for the of the workers. last 28 months due to closure of the plant and now they are virtually on the verge of starva- (viii) Need for opening a polytechnic tion. About 47 persons have died due to tor women In Indore (Madhya starvation and malnutrition. Pradesh)

The IRBI (operating agency of BIFR) SHRIMATI SUMITRA MAHAJAN (In- has suggested to the Government agencies dore): Sir, today the entire nation is march- to grant various reneessions. but Govern- ing ahead on the path of progress., For the all ment agencies have not responded properly round development of the reuntry progress in the matter of welfare of the employees. is necessary on the economic, social, industrial and all other fronts. There can be no As the turnover of factory is Rs. 70 erore progress if women who form an important out of which R~. 38.44 erore is average part of our society are neglected. Recently revenue income of Government, I suggest: the hen. Prime Minister had also described (1) selling unproductive assets of the com- the aIIround development of women and the pany to generate funds of about Rs. 20 need to safeguard her honour as highly emre; (2) to declare this company a relief essential and said that the Government will undertaking with immediate effect till it be- implement a scheme keeping these things in comes viable; (3j Central Government should mind. Employment oriented education or grant all concessions as recommended by vocational education is very important from IRB.; (4) allow exeise rebate of Rs. 50 per the point of view of development. Today tonne; (5) winding-up proceedings of the women have a significant contribution in company by BIFR should be stopped: (6) the every sphere of life. Keeping this fad in mind labour cx;operative society, which is under Women Polytechnic have been opened in consideration before BIFR and Government, matly important places throughout the coun- should be set up and the factory should be try so that women can also get technical started immediately in Government and education. pubfic interest. Indor~ is a major industrial city of Madhya MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Only the Pradesh. Major industrial centres like Devas approved text will go on record. and Pithampur have developed around it. Institutions such as C.A. T. have come up in [ Translation] Indore. With a view that women play an important role in industrial development of (viI) Need tor taking over the Katlhar the country, it is necessary to establish a Jute .... In Bihar women polytechnic in Indore. I would therefore urge upon the Government to pay SHRI YUVRAJ (Kalihar): Sir, the pay- immediate attention to this matter. 505 Matters under CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Rule377 506 [English] hours debate tomorrow. That should not be cut for any reason. H that is cut, then the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, we will voting will have to be postponed. take up Item NO.6. SHRI P. UPENDRA: H we take up the THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION discussion at 12 O'Clock, we can finish it by AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF 3 PM and at 3 PM, we can have the voting. PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P. UPENDRA): Sir, I have a submission to SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE make. Due to certain reasons, we would like (Dum Dum): It is obvious that they want a this Item to be taken up tomorrow Instead of three hour debate before voting. But there is today. And if the HOuse agrees, wecan goon not enough time as the 'Zero HOl;Jr' may to Item NO.7. continue beyond 12,30 PM sometimes. And if the voting would take place after 4 PM, it is SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): considered to be a difficult time for some How can the House agree unless It know the Members. There should be an insistence reasons? We will definitely co-operate with that all of us will be present. This is one the Government. But let us know the rea- problem to which I want to draw your atten- sons. And tomorrow IS Fnday. I must submit tion to. that if the voting will take place between 1 PM and 2 PM, It will not be convenient for The second point to which I would like to Members. It should not be between 1 PM draw your attention is that on any day, if the and 2 PM. So, you see to It that the voting will debate or discussion extends beyond 9 PM, be after 2 PM or so. there should be an arrangement for dinner as many ~embers who live in North Avenue SHRI P. UPENDRA: I Will explain you or elsewhere cannot get their meals if the the position. The time allotted for these two debate continues beyond 9 P.M. This is a Bills is one hour each. I don't think that there request which I am conveying through you to IS any need to cijspense With the lunch hour. the Parliamentary Affairs Minister. We can have lunch hour today and complete these two Bills today alongwith the DIscus- SHRI P. UPENDRA: I am oor~~~ sion under Rule 193. Tomorrow at 120'Clock, yesterday arrangements for dinner were not we can take up the Constitution (Amend- made. The business in the House was sup- ment) Bill for which three hours have been posed to be over much earlier, say by about allotted. We can compl8te it by 3 PM and 7.30 p.m. That is why arrangements were also have the voting at 3 PM tomorrow. not made for dinner. In future, definitely arrangements would be made for this. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think these two Bills will be over before 6 O'Clock and MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: What about immediately thereafter, we will take up the voting? Discussion under Rule 193. Otherwise. it is scheduled to be taken up only at 6 PM. If the SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- Members are Informed about this. It Will be lem): In the Business Advisory Committee, convenient for them to be present we were assured that there would be debate on this for three hours. We want to make it SHRI P. UPENDRA' We can take it up clear that we must have debate on thiS Bill for earlier also. three hours. The Private Members' Busi- ness starts at 3.30 p.m. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): The three hours debate should not be cut SHRI P. UPENDRA: We can take it up tomorrow. The Parliamentary Affairs MiniS- at 12 O'Clock tomorrow and then we will ter has agreed that we will have full1hree have voting at around 3.00 p.m. 507 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Amend.) _ 508

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Anright. the State. In order to cover situations •• this, Section 3 of the Commissions of Inquiy We go to the next item now. Ad, 1952 was amended by a Presidential Ordinance promulgated on 14.5.1986, in- serting Sub-Sections (5) and (6) in Section 3 of the Act. The Ordinance was replaced by an Act of Parliament in August, 1986. This 12.36 hr•. amendment provided that if the appropriate Government is satisfied that in the interests COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRY of the sovereignty and integrity of India, the (AMENDMENT) BILL security of the State, friendly relations with foreign States or in the public interest, it is not (English) expedient to lay the report before the l..ok Sabha or the Legislative Assembly of the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS State. the report of the Commission may not (SHRt MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAVEED): I be so laid, provided a notification to that beg to move: effect is issued within six months of the submission of the report and approval of the "'That the Bill further to amend the Lok Sabha or the Legislative Assembly of Commissions of InqUiry Act, 1952, be the State to the notification is obtained. taken Into consideration .. The present Government has reconsid- Under Sub-Section (1) of Section 3 of ered the matter, and is of the view that the the CommissIOns of InqUiry Act, 1952. the people have a right to information. Central Government or the State Govern- ment may appoint a Commission of InqUiry A Commission of Inquiry is set up for the for the purpose of making an Inquiry into any purpose of making an inquiry into any defi- definite matter of public Importance nite matter of public importance. As such, the report submitted by such a Commission Before the Commissions of InqUiry Act, should not be withheld from the House of the 1952 was amended In 1986, It was obliga- People or the legislative Assembly under tory for the appropriate Government, under any circumstances and the public should Sub-Section (4) of SectIOn 3 of the CommIs- have access to information which is of vital sions of Inquiry Act. 1952, to lay the report of Importance and interest to them. The Gov- the Commission of inqUiry appointed under ernment, therefore, considers that the Sub-Section (1 ) thereof before the House of amendments made in 1986 should be done the People or, as the case may be, the away with. legislative Assembly concerned. together with a memorandum of action taken thereon, The Bill seeks to achieve the above within a period of SIX months of the submiS- object. sion of the report. However, In 1986. it was considered by the previous Government that I, therefore, commend the Bill for the when CommiSSIOns of InqUiry are appointed consideration of this august House. to inquire into sensitive matters of public importance such as those havlrg a bearing MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Motion on defence, national securrty, personnel moved: security of high dignitaries. friendly relations "That the Bill further to amend the with foreign powers, etc .. the Inquiry reports Commissions of Enquiry Act, 1952, be may contain materials of a highly senSitive taken into consideration." nature and, as such, It may not be In the public interest to lay such reports before the SHAI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): lok Sabha or the Legislative Assem~ of Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, one has watched 509 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) Bill 510 with some amount of wonder and amaze- in this House on the last occasion also, the ment at the record of this Government in the author of the notification, beyond whom the last 110 days or so. Their proudest achieve- notification did not travel, by which the ment seems to be, what according to them Thakkar Commission Report was withheld is, undoing what the previous Government from this House, the then Minister of State did. And since they have the vocal support of for Internal Security, is on their side. The perhaps the last survivir.g communist party notification did not travel beyond him and I in the world, they are emboldened to go would like to the Home Minister to look into along this road of self delusion. the files.

Sir, a few minutes ago this House heard Therefore, Sir, it is all very well to stand the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs plead- up and say "in our wisdom we repeal all ing with the Chair, for reasons which he is not these things. "We know the wisdom by which able to disclose, why the 64th Constitutional they sought to repeal the 59th Amendment (Amendment) Bill should be taken up only and today the same wisdom permits them to tomorrow. We came prepared to participate bring the 64th amendment. I have no doubt in that debate. We will reserve what we In my mind that if Shri Sayeed remains Home would-like to say for tomorrow. The 59th Minister long enough, he will bring forward amendment, which they repealed with so another Bill at some point of time by which he much pomp and ceremony, IS back partly as will say, "I want to withold part of this Com- the 64th amendment. mission of Inquiry's Report".

Act 36 of 1986, amended the Commis- Today there is a demand for inquiry into sIOn of Inquiry Act and Introduced sub-Sec- the Incidents in Kashmir since the 20th tion 4 and sub-Section 5. Today the home January, 1990. Four independent persons Ministerclaims that It is a proud achievement went to Kashmir. The Committee on Initia- that they are bringing forward a Bill to repeal tive of Kashmir has given a scathing report. that amendment. ThiS Government is con- They have pointed out three dates which are cerned only with super structural changes, the turning points in Kashm ir. The first of that cosmetic changes which are born out of IS the night of 19-20 January, 1990. A de- collective self delUSion mand was voiced. let not the Home Minister be complacent. Today, we marched to the Sir, if I remember right. Shri Mufti Mohd. President. A demand will come one day and Sayeed was a Member of the Government you will have to concede that demand for an which introduced the Act 36 of 1986 and Inquiry into all that happened in Kashmir today Shri Sayeed stands up and says that since 19-20January,1990. When that Report we want .0 undo that Act. He is entitled to comes, we will hold you to this Bill. We will change his views. ask you to place on the Table of the House, every single lineofthe Report. I am sure, you AN. HON. MEMBER: He IS wiser will come forward and say that part of this today. Report i~ too sensitive, please allow me to withhold it. I have no doubt that you will say SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Yes, he is that one day. wiser today but what makes you so sure that he will not be wiser again tomorrow? What The Government of India, acting through makes you so sure that he will not change his the Delhi Administration-what kind liberties mind again? Now, I would ask, where were they have taken with this law-have just the authors of that Bill. The author of the Bill, appointed a retired Justice Mr. Subramaniam the then law Minister, Shri A.K. Sen, is on Poti, as a single member Inquiry Commis- their side. The author of the notification, the sion, to inquire into certain incidents which then Minister of State for Internal Security is took ptace as a consequence of the Delhi on their side. Now, let mesaY,1 have said this riots. This I believe is an off-shoot of Justice 511 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29,1990 (Amend.) BiN 512

ISh. P. Chidambaram] power is available if it becomes necessary to invoke this power in a highly sensitive situ- Ranganath Mishra's Commission of Inquiry. ation like what is prevailing in Kashmir today • Justice Subramaniam Poti-I have great like what is prevailing in Punjab today. if it respect for rus intellectual abilities, but surely becomes necessary to hold an Inquiry, if it he is not an independent Judge, he is not an becomes necessary not to disclose the en- independent person he was the candidate of tirety of the Report. We think such an ena- the left Democratic Front in Kerala-was bling power is a good and necessary power. defeated by a Congress (I) Member, Mr. Even then Government cannot act unilater- Thomas. He was rejected by the people. He ally or independently. The executive Gov- stood with the support of political parties- ernment will have to come to Parliament and the CPI (M), CPI and your party-and today Parliament would have to sanction or ap- he has become an independent Member. prove the notification. If you do not wish 'to You swear by the rule of law. You swear by have this enabling power, that is your privi- the sanctity of the Commission of inquiry. lege. But this power which was added by You swear by the sanctity of the Report of sub-Section 4 and sub-Section 5, was a Commission of Inquiry. good power, a necessary power and an enabling power. It maintained the balance In Kerala, a major controversy has arisen between confidentiality and disclosure. on the appointment of three persons to man the Commission under the Public men Cor- Now, if the Government, in its wisdom- ruptions Inquiries Act. The Act requires we have found in the last one hundred days consuttation with the Leader of the Opposi- that its wisdom is always a short-lived tion. The Leader of the Opposition was not wisdom-today wants to deprive itself of this consutted and a major controversy has power, they are welcome to do so. But to- erupted in Kerala. morrow, like the 64th Constitution Amtlnd- ment Bill, if you come forward again on SHRI A. VIJAYARAGHAVAN banded knees and say, 'We made a mistake (PaJaghat): No, Sir. It is a clear distortion of in repealing the 59th Amendment; we want facts. the 64th Amendment today', the whole wortd will laugh at you; the people of this country SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: That is for the will laugh at you. High Court to decide. Mercifully you cannot appoint.. .(Interruptions) There was no con- look what has happened to your suttation. I am aware of the facts and I will Wadhwa Commission report. You swear by repeat them. There was no consultation with full disclosure. I heard the Home Minister the leader of the Opposition and a major read in his speech, that they stood by free- controversy has errupted in KeraJa. Why did dom of information. The Wadhwa Commis- we bring this Bill? Why did we in the previous sion report was not placed before Parlia- Government make this Amendment? We ment, it was not publicly disclosed. The made this Amendment because, as I said, Advocate's on record, that they had to go there is always or sometimes surely a con- before the Supreme Court. flict between disdosure and confidentiality. The question is on which side did the public SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEEO: interest lie? Does public interest lie in full No. disclosure or does public interest lie In maintaining confidentiality? In fact, when we SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I am telling moved this Bill, we said that this is an ena- you the facts, Mr. Minister. Listen to me. bling power. It does not oblige the Govern- They had to agitate. They went before the ment to withhold the Report nor does it Supreme Court. Only on Monday. the matter oblige Parliament to sanction withholding of was mentioned before the Court of the Chief the Report. This is an enabling power. This Justice. The matter was listed before the 513 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8. 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) BiN 514

Chief justice's Court on Tuesday. On Tues- are our views on this Bill; and it is for them to day, the Government reluctantly conceded, decide whether they wish to pursue this BiD through the Attorney General, that within or not. one month, that they shall place the report. It required the advocates to go before the SHAI SAMAAENDAA KUNDU Supreme Court and coerce the Government (8alasore): Mr. Oeputy-Speaker, Sir, I was to publish this report. So, do not swear by not elected during the last two Lok Sabha your principle of freedom of information. elections. Many things had happened, par- There are times in the governance of a ticularly in the last lok Sabha. One of the country when confidentiality is more impor- thing!> that happened, is the scuttling of the tant than disclosure. There are times when right of information of the elected Members disclosure is more important than confiden- of Parliament and of the Public. I cannot tiality. A balance has to be maintained. We imagine that this can happen, in any circum- believe, when the previous Government instances, in any civilized democratic country. troduced the Act 1986 we did maintain the balance between confidentiality and disclo- Mr. Chidambaram was very eloquent. sure. If the present Government wishes to He first wanted to escape saying that this deprive itself of this power, it is welcome to was done in Mr. A.K. Sen's days, and so on. do so. But I have no doubt in my mind that But I know he cannot escape it. Finally he these are cosmetic changes, intended to came around and supported the action of the befool the people. These do not address then Rajiv Gandhi's ·Government... (Inter- themselves to the substantive and real is- ruptions) I think he is very loyal to his leader, Sues of the country. The real issues of the to his party. But I do not know why one country are not repealing the amendment to should be very loyal to many ugly things that the Commission of Inqu:ry Act. The real had happened during the last Government. issue of the country is not repealing the 59th Amendment. The real issues of the country I can understand that you may not insti- are in Kashmir and Punjab. And this Govern- tute the inquiry commissions. Think about it; ment is today a bemused spectator of what it is quite all right. is happening in Kashmir and Punjab. Once you plunge into it, once you have Going by the principle, we oppose this instituted an Inquiry Commission, I cannot Bill to amend the Commissions of Inquiry conceive by any standard of prudence or Act. We want to express our opposition and anything that you may claim that you can reservations; but if Government, in its wis- shut out the findings from the Members of dom, which I think is misguided, wishes to Parliament, the eJected body or the Press or deprive itself of this power, it is welcome to any other body once if submits its report. So, do so. But let me once again point our that we he has put out a theory, that is, need of have no faith in the Government's repeated confidentiality. It is a very well-known theory. utterances and swearings that they believe Wen, these are meant tor argument ,n the in full disclosure, they believe in the rule of High Court and the Supreme Court and not law, they believe in taking people into confi- to be agitated in this forum. The Ministers, dence-because their actions, their conduct whenever they are elected as M.Ps pride in the last 100 days, their actions and their themselves that they are elected democrati- conduct in Kerala, their actions and their cally. But some of their acts make them conduct on the Wadhwa Commission report, terrible dictators. So, this sort of points made their actions and their conduct in appointing are argued in the court that the Government Justice Subramaniam Poti, all of them are has certain powers to undo certain things completely contrary to what Government is which it wanted to do by way of appointing a professing today. Commission in the interest of the people for maintaining its sovereignty. , can under- With these words, I would say that these stand a situation can arise when govern- 515 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Amend.) BiR 516

[She Samarendra Kundu] fit. Aftar the Commission submitted its report, Govemment did not lay it on the Table menfs acting functions that is certain docu- of the House; they first declined to lay the ments, certain incidents, certain informa- entire report on the Table of the House; then tion, which are in the possession of the there was a walk~ut. Finally. perhaps, they government, may cause embarrassment-if laid a portion of the report on the Table of the they are disclosed-may cause ill-feelings, House. may even threaten its security. For that Mr. P. Chidambaram will agree with me, there is a lot of protection; there is a lot of protection 13.00 hrs. even in the Lok Sabha Rules, other rules, and inthe Official Secret Act, which again we And then the most vital point· IS the will try to amend. The laws and rules give the observation made by the "Rlakkar Commis- Government a lot of protection. sion, that paragraph which I read last time here in the Lok Sabha regarding Mr. R.K. Dhawan that "the needle of suspicion" was I do not want to go back to those terrible on Mr. Dhawan. It is said eloquently in the things-which we read in the Press-referred report. Government wanted to suppress that. to in the Thakkar CommiSSion on a very Now Mr. Dhawan is becoming a member of sensitive issue. We are all very sad about it. the Rajya Sabha. He is being brought to We are all very sad the way Shnmati Indira Rajya Sabha. Well, he will face the situation Gandhi was killed by herown security guard. there and explain. My point is that when such But Shrimati Indira Gandhi, In her right, put great national interests are there what is to us in the jail under MISA during the emer- be done? gency for 18 months. Mr. P. Chidambaram was not there. Perhaps he was practising in the court. Perhaps he did not know the MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: I think we horrible days we passed during that time. can allow Mr. Samarendra Kundu to con- Nobody thought that we would be able to tinue for some more time and after his speech cross the doors of the jail gate. But still then is over we can adjourn for lunch. we had a lot of respect for Shrimati Indira Gandhi. I wuld not imagine for a while how the then Government and the Home Minister AN HON. MEMBER: We can continue could not find or choose proper police per- after lunch. sonnel who could guard at least the life of the Prime Minister; and it is a shame that the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: How much Prime Minister was killed by her own security time do you need? guard. This incident rocked the world. To find the truth and to arrive at the truth an Inquiry SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: Ten Commission was instituted. Everybody minutes. demanded it. I think the Oudest demand was from the Congress-I P, 1y, that people MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: The House should know who were It!~1 "d it. Thera was adjourned for lunch to meet again at 2 o'clock. a lot of suspicion about it a1 that time. It was talked about very loudly that India was going to be destabilised. I think the Home Minister 13.01 hr•• remembers it. Then, 10rtunately or unfortunately. we were in the Opposition, and all of us were branded as enemies of the people, The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch till anti-nationals. Now, looking into the situ- Fourt.. n of the Clock ation, the then Government, in their wisdom, appointed a Commission for their own bene- 517 Commissions of Inquity CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) g 518

14.05.8. in suppressing the report, particularly my dear friends in the opposition benches... The Lole Sabha re-assembled after Lunch by entering into some sort of subterfuge at five minutes past Fourteen of the Clock methods, they have brought down the image pf democracy whereas all of us should try to (DR. THAMBI DURAl in the Chaij build up the image in the entire world particu- larty in the non-aligned countries. All the COMMISSIONS OF INOUIRY countries around us excepling one or No (AMENDMENT) Btll-Contd. which ts free and democratic, have dictator- ships. So the world is looking at us. But what SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: I was sort of messages are we giving to them? making the point that Government is well Therefore, the amendment which prohibits within its right to decide whether to appoint a or gives authority to the Government not to commission or not. But once it appoints a make the report public or place it on the commission, the report of that commission Table, is high~ undemocratic and is unbe- becomes public property. The argument coming of any c;vtltsed Government. which has been advanced is that in the national interest, in the interest of security of I was saying about the Thakkar C0m- the State and our relations with the neigh- mission's report. tn that report, ....• ... was bours that the report was not made public Indicted. It says that ... ·* ... seems to have because that would have put the Govern- played a role in facilitating the crime commitment and India into embarrassment. But this ted by Mr. Beant Singh and Mr. Sa1want argument is absolutely wrong and fallacious, Singh. If this is the part of the report, then because having looked into aU aspects, how can you say this? When the Congress- Government decided the course of action. I peopte, others and the nation wanted that When the report indicted directly or indIrectly report to be made public, then how can you the Government, at that time, it developed suppress it? But what that Government had cotd feet. It is unfair; it is undemocratic and done was a mala fide action. it was done only unjust. In a democratic and civilised country to protect.. .** ., .and some of the henchmen we have every nght to know as to what of Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, former Prime Minister. happened to a certain incident on which a Besides, I am told, in the Thakkar Commis- commission was appointed and the Govern- sion's Report there is a reference to 10reign ment had spent so much money. The Gov- hand'. It is not a question of Mrs. tndira ernment tried to suppress the Thakkar Gandhi, it is the question of the Prime Minis- Commission Report from the gaze of the ter of our country. It might happen to any- public. It did its best to do that. But there was body. Hthere is a re'erenceto a foreign hand, so much demand from the public, press and the House has a right to know what exadty the Members of Parliament in the opposition it is. Why I am saying this is because the at that time that the Government half-heart- Congress (I) people are shouting from the edly had to lay a portion of the report on the top of the tree, from the top cI the houses. Table. Mr. Chidambaram is not here. The saying that the Opposition is anti-national former Speaker of the House, unfortunately, and the Opposition has a hand in it. I am told was involved in that controversy which was the Thakk.ar Commlssion has also said that laid was a full report or not. H my memory there is a school in USA, cal\ed Camper serve me right. he also said that the annex- School, which has been giving training to uras and other things were not part of the Indians who had an attempted hand in USA report and whatever had been laid was a to murder Indian leaders, ad there it is also complete report though part of the report said that this school trained the people sus- was laid. I may tell the Members of the pected to have left a bomb in the Air India opposIion here, those who have had a hand plane which crashed in the Atlantic Ocean in 519 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29,1990 (Amend.) SUI 520

[Sh. Samarendra Kundu] raise their voice, to stand erect to say: no, this is wrong, to defend the Constitution. But 1985. These constitute a valuable informa- now there is completely a sea-change. In- tion. Therefore, it is highly illogical, illegal stead of taunting this side about openness, and, if I may say so, undemocratic to say that they must come out to openly support this this Commission's Report should not be laid Bill and to admit, I do not say guih, the on such and such frivolous grounds. mistakes which they have done by supporting such a piece of black legislation. I was I do not know whether this matter was told that Mr. Chidambaram, when he was the tak ttl to the High Court and the Supreme Home Minister, had made a reference. I Cc :to Here is the law which was there have a Press report hore. Shri Kalpanath edrlier which says: ''The provisions of sec- Rai, the then Energy Minister had said to thg tion 4 shall not apply if the appropriate gov- Press that Shri M.L. Fotedar had a hand with ernment is satisfied that the interests of the Shri Thakkar in making .. :·... report public sovereignty and integrity of India and the and so also against Shri Alexander. Sir. it is security of the State, friendliness with for- nice to pass on the buck to others; it is nice eign States, or in public Interest, It is not to throwthe ball in other's court, But the truth expedient to lay before the House of the is also that at certain point of time, the People or, as the case may be, the Legisla- system was so repressive at that time that tive Assembly of the State ... " My point is that Mr, Chidambaram should have admitted and this law is also unconstitutional since it in- should have asked also Mr. Fotedar and Mr. fringes the Fundamental Rights given in the Alexander that they were also a party to this. Constitution. I do not know whether it was The system at that time was so repre~ive tried in the High Court and the Supreme that the inter-party freedom was not there, Court. To me it appears to be a palpably dissent was not given any value and there- unconstitutional piece of legislation, a piece fore, some of the people were compelled to of a btack legislation. If it would have been act against their will. In this connection, I just taken to the High Court and the Supreme want to narrate a very small story. Way back Court, perhaps the courts would have ruled here in this Lok Sabha, when an han. Member that the Parliament could not arrogate itself was reading out a portion of the document, such an authority via the then ruling party to then somebody from the Treasury Benches- curtail the rights and privileges given in the Congress Member-shouted "secret docu- Fundamental Rights. ment, secret document-, Then Pandit Nehru asked Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri who was In the end, I mustthankourGovernment sitting there ''what is it? Then a report was that it has stood to its promise, it has stood to brought to him. Then, he asked Shri Lal its moral posture. Some of the people have Bahadur Shastri "Is it the copy of the report been taunting by pronouncing that it is an which was in the file? I think I saw it: Shri Lal open Government. Yes, certainly it is an Bahadur Shastri said "Yes, it was the same open Government. The openness is that copy of the report." Then Shri Jawaharlal everything that is done by the Ministers, by Nehru got up and said "I will place the report the people in power can be known through tomorrow on the Table of the House-. Then, the Press or by holding meetings or by some there were loud cheers. So, Sir, what' mean other way and by that way only can we stop to say is that this was the norm, a democratic corruption, high-handedness and arbitrari- norm practised earlier. Now, the whole thing ness. Cmruption, high-handedness and has been changed and thiS Government is arbitrariness cut the foot of democracy and trying to bring back all the democratic norms the democratic system in this country. Per- and strengthen it. I would like the han. haps there wa~ a different regime in which Members on the Opposite side, particularly, the hon. friends could not get a chance to the Congress Members, to rise to the occa-

"Not recorded. 521 Commissions oflnquiTy CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) Bill 522 sion and support this Bill. Thank you. what for, after all an Inquiry Commission is instituted? In fact. it is only when there is a [ Translation] major incident such as firing, a dam burst. which might have taken a heavy toll of SHRI GUMAN·MAllODHA: Honour- human lives, that the Government institutes able Chairman, Sir, while extending my fuji an inquiry to investigate into the reasons of support to the Commission of Inquiry. mishap. For this, the people raise their voice {Amendment)BiII. I would like to tell the which echoes in Parfiament and the legisla- opposition that it is something ironical that tive assemblies and it is only then that Gov- this Bill seeks to repeal the sub-section 4 of ernment says that it would conduct an inves- the section 3 which makes it mandatory for tigation into the matter and for that purpose the Government that it will lay the complete appoints a judge of the Supreme Court or report of an Inquiry Commission onthe Table some High Court who is considered to be the of t~e House and later on place a report on most credible person in the country. The the action taken by the Government on the inquiry report submitted by him is laid on the report, before the Parliament. The aforesaid table of the House. Now if that report is bill was passed in 1971 after thorough delib- iocked into a shelf and made confidential erations by a joint select committee of 1964 then this, I think, is the sheer murder of headed by Shri N.K.P. Salve, Mrs. Indira democracy, parliamentary tradition as well Gandhi herself, who was a member of Lok as the system and of all those principles due Sabha in those days, was a member of the to which 'right to information' has become committee. This committee had thirty other our fundamental right and which is the very members who were eminent parliamentari- base of the manifesto of Janata Oal, of ans and many of who were honourable Bhartiya Janata Party and many other par- members of the Congress Party. The com- ties. This is so because most often voice is mittee, after lot of deliberations decided that raised by journalists and other people also public should know the findings of an inquiry that 'right to information' is our fundamental commission and the Government's action and basic right. I would like to ten you what thereon. Therefore. they decided that the the judges said in S. P. Gupta case and what Government must place the reports of the was said in Nixon's case bv the judges of a Inquiry Commission before both Houses of nation which is called an institution of liberty, Parfiament. Hence, the bill was passed at who were appointed by Nixon himsel. I the instance of Mrs. Gandhi herself in 1971. thank the judiciary of that nation which said But it is rather unfortunate that after her quite impartidlfy Wil6(i t~I':.' ;S:~ oi pilvl~\:;. death the inheritors of her legacy are trying and confidentiality was raised by Nixon and to kill the very spirit of the report which when he said that he would not forfeit the maintained that Government must be su- tape come what may. I would like to tell you preme but the public must know every thing about that very statement. In S. P. Gupta about the report of an Inquiry Commission case, Supreme Court gave a historic verdict and the subsequent action of the Govern- which I think was unfortunate because with ment on it. Therefore, I would like to state that verdict the judiciary had curtailed its own that by making an amendment in the Inquiry powers. As far as the 'right of information' is Commission Act, despite the recommenda- concerned, I would like to quote page 242 of tions of the Joint Select Committee, they the verdict. Here one of OLJr honourable hav~ killed Mrs. Gandhi once again and this member has stated that there is a distinction time the spirit underlyng the report was the between disclosure and information. Acc0rd- casualty. For this, the future history of Indian ing to him, disclosure is one thing and infor- ParliamGnt and politics would never forgive mation is an other and there is a minute or a them. technical distinction between the right to disclosure and the right to information and it has been sought to obliterate this distinction Sir, I would like to put a question as to in the aforesaid report; but it stands exposed 523 Commissions 01 Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Am«Id.} 8iI 52. (Sh. Guman Mal Lodha) [TranslatioriJ . in the face of the following text of the judge- WhilegivingtheirverdiclinS.P.GupIa's ment:- case, the learned judges candidly dacIarad that the IXJntents of the leiters exchanged [English] between the judge of the Delhi High Court and the Supreme Court regarding appoint- I quote here fromlheJudgemenl in S.P. ment, even Wthey are of top secret natlKe, Gupta and other V. President of India and will have to be made public in the interest of others (AIR 1982 Supreme Court, 149) as justice and fair playas ft involves the right of follows:- the people to have intormation and jusliceon a matter of public importance. "Lord Salmon too rejected the "candour theory" in Reg v. lewes Justices; Sir, I would also like to refer to article 19 Ex part Secretary of State for Home of our constnution which specWical1y implies Department. (1973 AC 388) (Supra) at that no excuse of secrecy, privilege, immu- p. 413 by referring to it as "the old nfty or non-disclosure can be applied to fallacy" that "any official in the govern- suppress the people's righllo information on ment service would be inhibited from a matter of public importance. wrfting frankly and possibly at an unless he could be sure that nothing Sir, I should Hke to remind you that which he wrote could ever be exposed during the tenure of Justice Chagla as the to the light of day". The candour a19u- Chief Justice 01 Bombay High Court, an ment has also not prevailed wilhJudges enquiry commission was set up to enquire and jurists in the Unfted States and ft is into the case concerning Shri T. T. Krishna- interesting to note what Raoul Berger machari and Mundhra, commonly known as while speaking about the immuntty Mundhra case. That was also an inquiry claimed by President Nixon against commission whose proce8dings were con- the demand for disclosure of the Wa- ducted in open in Bombay. Tentswerepftched tergate Tapes, says in his book "Ex- in Bombay and people visned in thousands ecutive Privilege". A Constnutional there to wftness the proceedings of the Myth" at page 264:" commission. Shri T.T. Krishnamachari had to resign in the light of the. findings of the "Candid interchange" is yet another commission and Mundhra was put behind pretext for doubtful secrecy. H will not the bars. Had the report of Thakkar Commis- not explain Mr. Nixon's claim of blan- sion been made public earlier and pre- ket immunfty for members of his Whne sented to this House in the right earnest, House staff on the basis of mere those who are trying to go...... todey would membership without more; ft will not possibly have ...... They would have been justify KleindiQnst's assertion of immu- put behind bars in the jails of Delhi and would ntty from congressional inquiry for two have been subjected to police interrogation and one-half million federal employes. for the cold blooded murder of Smt. Indira H is merely another testimonial to the Gandhi. Justice Thakkar, a judge of the greedy expansiveness of power, the Supreme Court says that the needle of sus- costs of which patently outweigh tts picion points towards ...... and I am aston- benelns. As the latest branch in a line ished to note that our erstwhile Prime Minis- of illegitimate succession, nillustrates ter, the heir 01 Iale Smt. Indira Gandhl is the excess bred by the claim of execu- trying to push the needle of suspicion aside, tive privilege." at page 239. and arranging a seat for the culprif in one 01

"Not recurded. 525 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) BiI 526 the august s of Parliament instead of putting man, Sir, 10 poinlthe needle of suspicion him behind the bars in Tihar Jail alongw~h towar

[English] SHRI KALKA DAS (Karol Bagh): Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is a fact rather than an SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): allegation. If the facts aren't revealed Justice Thakkar who inquired into the Fairfax alongw~h the name concerned, the pos~ion issue found that the Prime Minister, Mr. V.P. of someone else may be compromised. Singh is guilty. What you have to answer about Mr. V.P. Singh's connection with [English] Fairfax ... (lnterruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: If at aa there is any MR. CHAIRMAN: Order please. I have allegation, it will not go on record. not called you. I have called Prof. Soz.

[ Translation] PROF. SAIF UD DIN SOZ (BaramuUa): Mr. Chairman, Sir, my intervention on this SHRI GUMAN MAL lODHA: Mr. Chair· Commission of Inquiry (Amendment) Bill,

'Not recorded. 5Z1 Commissions 01 Inquiry MARCH 29. 1990 (Amend.) Bill 528

(PlOt. Saif-ud-din Soz] duced a factual report. I am tenlng you honestly. I have gone through the report and I 1989 is, I support thIS amendment. After all. have lound it is factually correct. The Home i!: warns to annul the amendment that was Minister who raised earlier on the Kashmir effected in sectIOn 3 of the Act. in 1986. This debat& has no facts and figures. His Gover- amending BUI is welcome. I: says. wfthin six nor has not informed him on the deaths in months of the submission of the report. it KMhmir. His Governor has not informed him should be made available b.. lore the House em the people who were wounded. This and the House cannot be kept in ognorance report says about all kinds of atrocities have of what the Commission of Inquiry has gone that have be<>n commotled. molestation of inIo.. lweleome it. we.men. arrests and the continued curlew and disinformation. IU para 2 of the Statement of ObjtK:ts and Reasons. tt says: LIAR CIiAfRMAN: Mr. Soz. are you jl!;C;!ssmg about the Commission of Inquiry ·A Commisslo'. of InQu;ry;' always set (Art' cndment) B,II? You please speak on the upforthepurpo~e ct mak.ng an Inquiry am<:ndment. inloarrydef."ile 'l'alter o~ public importance. As such. the report sUOr1l!ted PROF. SAIFUD DIN SOZ: Iwanltosay by such a Co",mlsslOr, should nol bP Ina! thIS Government should take notice of wtthheldfromthe House of the People. lhe report. On Kashmir issue. I say. there or the Legislative Assembly under any should be a Commission of Inquiry 10 look circumstances and the publIC should il)lothe sttual,on ,n Kashmir. what is happen- have access to information whICh is of 'ng 10 Ihe people althe hands of para milttary vital importance and interest to them. It people, as 10 how many innocenl people is felt that the amendments rncide in have been killed. From this report. I read only 1986 should be done away wfth.· one para:

• is aU right and I support this amend- ·Ironically. the Government's plan to ment. But as far as the public interest is suppress 1errorism' is ending up in a concemed'. I raise a very important question situation where the Mherto non-

a non-Governmental report, there should be by the assortment of secessionist mHi- a mechanism whereby the Government will tant groups--is the only way of escape take notice 01 that. from State repression. This feeling was eloquently summed up by a Kashmiri In the Zero Hour today. I was in agony Government Officer. TIll January 19 I when I reported to the House thal there is a was against the milHants. Today I am factual report on the situalion that is obtain- for them.· ingin Kashmir. h is a Committee for Initiative on Kashmir. That Committee sent brave sons of India. Tapan ~. Dinesh Mohan. MR. CHAIRMAN: h is not relevant. Gautam Navlakh, Sumanta Banerjee. These Don' bring in all Ihese things. IDurpeopfe went to KashrnirvlJlleyfrom 12th eo 16111 March. They were in Srinagar and PROF. SAIF UD DIN SOZ: I place this oItw parts 01 the Valley. They were bold report on the Table' of the House. -.gh to go to Handwara and Kopwara to _ .. piIIces in Ananlnag and they pro- MR. CHAIRMAN: I do not aHow.

·AII ...... did not subsequently accord the _". permiaslon. the Report was not -.... _!lid on the Table. 529 Commissions of /nquiTy CHAITRA 8.1912 (SAKA) (Ametrd.) BiI 530

PROF. SAIF UD DIN SOl: I demand a should place iI on the Table of the House. I Commission of Inquiry by a Supreme Court will place it on the Table 01 the House. Judge to enquire how innocent people have been killed in Kashmir. how they continue to MR. CHAIRMAN: No. I cannot a1bw. impose curfew and how hospitals have no We will look into it and we will see whether medicines. we will lay it or not. Subject to the examination of your report•• can be placed. Not SHRIG.M.BANATWAUA(Ponnani): I now... (/nt8l7"Lf)tions) am on a po,nt of o·rder. The han. Member has just now read out a paragraph which he says SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA (Midnapore): is from some report. We do not know any- The report from which Prof. Saif Ud Din Soz thing about it. In that case, th2t report must has quoted is not an official report orGovem- be placed on the Table of the House. The ment report. It is a report by some private hon. Member must take the r~ponsibility. agency. According to the rules 01 the House. The report must be placed on the Table of provided the Chair gives its permission, there the House so that we have access to that is nothing which prevents Prof. Saif Ud Din information and we can look into the matter. Soz from authenticating that document and I demand that the report be placed on the laying it on the Table of the House. He Table of the House. persistently refused. From the morning, I have been arguing with hIm He persistently MR. CHAIRMAN. I do not allow. refused to read the relevant rules which govern this procedure and he goes on say- SHRI G.M. BANATWAllA: I demand Ing "I have read II and I will lay it on the Table that the report be placed on the Table of the of the House: House. We demand your ruling on my poont of order. SHRI G.M. BANATWAlLA: He has taken up the responsibility in this case. He MR. CHAIRMAN: I am not alloWIng. has taken a decIsion on the floor of the House. When the Member takes up the SHRIG.M. BANATWAlLA: My poInt of responsibility and takes a decision on the order is that the report should be placed on floor of the House, he should place it on the the Table of the House. Table of the House.

MR. CHAIRMAN: tt IS not connected to SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Nobody 0b- this now. h IS not relevant now. Jects to hIS laying it on the Table of the House under the proper rule. We would also be SHRI G.M. BANATWAlLA: I demand it interested in seeing what is in that report. So. 10 be placed on the Table of the House. instead of going on shouting like this, it is better he follows the procedure and then PROF. SAIF UD DIN SOl: The Com- sees to it that it can be laidon the Table with mission 01 Inquiry should look into the atroci- the permission of the Chair... ( Interruplions) ties in Kashmir ... (/nterruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Now we are dISCUSS- MR. CHAIRMAN: Please listen to me. Ing about CommIssIons of Inquiry (Amend- I want to read the rules. ment) Bill. That IS the topoc which we are discussing now. You are bringing some other ( /nlerruplions) newfac:tors. You havetowritetothe Speaker 10 authenticate II. let him write 10 you. PROF. P.J. KURIEN (Uavelikara): He SHRI SAIF UD DIN SOl: I have read has already placed it on the Table at the. out a peragraph. There was a demand that I House. It has already been done. 531 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Amend.) BiD 532

MR. CHAIRMAN: Prof. Kurien. I read What was the purpose oflhatAct?The42nd the rule. Direction 118(1) says: Constkution (Amendment) Act which was passed in the year 1976 took away some "If a private member desires to lay a basic rights, some basic privileges from the paper or document on the Table of the Parliament, from the people. The 44th Con- House, he shaH supply a copy thereof st~ution (Amendment) Act just gave those to the Speaker in advance so as to rights,those privileges to the Parliament and enable him to decide whether permis- to the people. This particular Bill that we are sion should be given to lay the paperor discussing now is of that nature. document on the Table. lithe Speaker permits the member to lay the paper or Sir, in the original Commissions of In- document on the Table. the member quiry Act, 1952 there was no such provision may at the appropriate time lay it on the that the Government will have to submit the Table: Report of the Inquiry Commissions sat up before the Parliament or before the legisla- Therefore. Prof. Soz. you give ~ in Wilt- tive Assembly. Then, what was the purpose ing. let him go through. of setting up such Inquiry Commissions? After all. the Inquiry Commissions. Inquiry ( Inte"uptions) Committees are set up to have inquiry into some mailer of great serious public impor- PROF. SAIF UD DIN SOZ: I have tance. Steps are to be taken against the already quot~rom ~. I have authenticated guitty persons. But who are the quality per- ~. It has been placed on the Table of the sons? That must be made known. Therefore House. That is all... (inte"uptions) tnquiry Commissions are set up. In the year 1971. a Bill came up before Parliament. It MR. CHAIRMAN: nit is permissible. we was the conscious aHempt on the part of the can do it but not now. h is sublect to exami- then Government to make ~ obligatory for nation. them to publish the Reports of the Inquiry Commissions before the House. That was SHRI G.M. BANA TWAllA: Mr. Chair- the intention of the 1971 Bill. But in the 1986 man. Sir. you have to take note of our de- Amendment. that obligation was removed. mand. What was the reason? Mrs. Indira Gandhi was brutally assassinated. tt was said that MR. CHAIRMAN: I have taken note ot foreign hands were involved in her assassi- your demand. We will consider it. We will nation. It was said that certain negligence examine ij. was there on the part of the top officials who were in charge of securey. Was ~ not a PROF. SAIF UD DIN Sal: I want a matter of great public importance to know Commission of Inquiry to look onto the atrocI- the circumstances leading to the murder 01 ties that have been committed there. Mrs. Indira Gandhi? Yes. And. therefore, the Takkar Commission was set up. But in 1986, SHRI SUDARSAN RAYCHAUDHURI welound that the then Government amended (Serampore): Mr. Chairman. Sir. let me torst the Commissions of Inquiry Act, 1952 and it congratulate the hon. Minister for Introduc- refused to publish the Report of the Takkar ong this Bill because only by the enactment of Commission before the House. tt was not such Bills. democracy and freedom that were that the Government was reluctant to pub- In chains during the last few years can be lish any report of any inquiry commission. It restored. What is the purpose of this Bill? In was not thaI. Shri Chidambaramji told that facl, k is not giving us any new right nor any there was a delicate balance between the privileges which _e not there before. It disclosure and confidentiality. But we found reminds me althe year 1978 when the 44th that the balance always tilted in favour of the Constitution (Amendment) Ad was passed. ruling party. Whenever they thought that S33 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8. 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) Bill 534

some reports of some inquiry commissions. controls the majority members 01 any House according 10 them. may go against the oppo- and if the majority members behave like siIion.they will disclose the report and when- Masochist, thumping the table when the ever they found that some reports of some ruling party, the Government is taking -av commissions like this Thakkar Commission certain of their rights and privileges, what will be unpalatable to the ruling party, 10 the can be done. Democracy does not mean Government may be not to the entire Gov- tyranny or ignorance or innocence 01 the ernment but 10 some individuals. to some major~. It cannot be meant like that. It cabal belonging 10 the Government who are cannot be explained like that. So, therefore. emotionally, poI~ically close to the Govern· it was not an enabling act as Chidambaramji ment, they chose not to publish the report 01 said. The Government was enabled 10 sup- the Commission. This was the fate of the press the Takkar Commission's Report. The balance. The head, the ruling party will win Thakkar Commission Report was placed in and the tail, the opposition WIll lose. Is the the safe custody of the North Block and the inquiry commission a play thing? Why do people did not know. Is it the public interest? you set up inquiry commiSSIOn ~ you do not No Sir. Altera", people have the right to know want 10 publish ~s report? Better not to set up things. Otherwise they cannot exercise the such commissions. Let us not hoodwink the freedom 01 speech and eKpression. So, ,he people. The 1986 alT\endment went against absence of freedom 01 speech and expfls- a basic Fundamental Right of our land also. sion and the absence of right 10 infognation In Part III of our Constitution, as per Article IS the same thing. The presence 01 freedom 19(1), there is a Roght ca~ Freedom of of speech and expression necessitates the Speech and Expression for the Indian citi- presence of right to information. zens. I know that there are several grounds on which restrICtions reasonable can be Even durong the British days. after the imposed on such Freedom of Speech and Jal;anwalla 8agh incident, the Hunter Com- Expression. But what are the grounds? They mission was set up. Its Report was pub- are: Sovereign~y and integr~y of the nation: lished; there was a dissenting note attached. relations with friendly States and neoghbourly Shri Seetalvad had given a dissenting note. States, public moral~, decency. These That dissenting note could not please the grounds were there. But the ground of pubhc Br~ish rulers. It must have been embarrass- interest is nolthere. In the 1986 amendment. ing to them. But the British rulers did not they said that ~ the appropriate Government suppress the report of the Hunter Commis- is satisfied that in the interest of the sover- sion. eognty and integrity of India etc., or in the public interest, it is not expedient to lay But in our free India, our own Gowm- before the House of the People or to the ment refused to publish the report 01 the Legislative Assembly a report or any part Thakkar Commission, or for that matter re- thereof, that will not be published. This public fused to publish the reports of any enquiry interest is undefinable. We have seen dUring commission ~ such commission's reports the last forty years that so many anti-people went againstthem. This was the charact8rof enactments were passed. Emergencies were the Government. So it was very _althat proclaimed on the ground, direct or indirect, the Government was alienated hom the of public interest. We have found that. So, people; the Gov• .rnmant was afraid of the the ruling party cannot be allowed to inter- truth. pret public interest. For Chidambaramjl, he told that, alter all, there was a proviSIOn in the Therefore I welcome this BiUonce mora. previous amendment that every notification Maybe as Chidambaramji told, it is out 01 the shall be laid before the House of the People short-lived wisdom of Muftiji. But I personally or the Legislative Assembly 01 the State who prefer the short-lived wisdom 01 Muftijitothe will decide whether the reports will be pub- long-lived innocence or ignoranee of QIi- Nshed or not. But the ruling party alter aU, dambaramji. 535 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Amend.) BIt 536 14.52 hra. is asked to be the Chairman of the Commit- tee--a very important Committee. Here, Sir, (SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE in the entire proceedings as well as thefindings the Chailj 01 the Committee win have at least a ting41 of suspicion. What is the motive behind this? Is PROF. K. V. THOMAS (Ernakulam): Sir. it a open Government? there is a very pertinent question today whether all the reports of the romm issions of Sir, in Kerala there is a 'Publicmen Anti- enquiry should be put before the Parliament corruption Bill', which has been passed with or the Legislative Assembly and it should be the support 01 the ruling party and the oppo- made known to the public. I am telling that sition. That Bill enables the Government to the enquiry reports should not be shelved. set up a Commission. In that Commission, But there are certain enquiries which. if two members were retired judges. More- published, will create havoc in the country. over, in that Bill. it has been specifically stated that the Chief Minister, the Leader 01 When I was a boy, there was a fire the Opposition and the Chief Justice of the accident in the Sri Ayyappa temple at Shab- Kerala High Court should be consulted. But arimalai. The then Chief Minister of T ravan- there was no consuhation with the Opposi- core was Shri C. Keshavan. He was a very tion Leader. Then, what is meant by consul- well known administrator. An enquiry was tation? The two retired Judges are known to made_ But Shri Keshavan said that the report be aligned with the ruling political party. After of the enquiry will not be published. whatever their retirement, they have taken up this may happen. And at the same time he said assignment, this particular job. H so, what that if he publishes the enquiry report, its the people will think 01 the verdicts given by effect on the communal harmony in Kerala them in the High Courts? There are two will be disturbed for ever. That was his atti- points in it. One is that they are getting an tude. appointment by the Government, aiter their retirement and these persons are the Judges There are certain important cases where who have made som.. well-known judge- even ~ enquiry commissions are appointed ments which had political impacts. and even if we are getting the reports. could these reports go to the public? This amend- (Interruptions) ment has come at a time when the entire nation is ~hocked by the communal riots and SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE disturbances that are taking place in differ- (Bolpur): We know of Judges who are active ent parts of the country. h is in this context Congressmen. We do not just dispute their that I request the Government to again look integrity. Just because of Shri PoIIi, you are into this amendment. Sir, this Government making this aliegation ... (/nterruptions) says that it is an open Government and it is a value based Government. Is it so? What is SHRIP.CHIDAMBARAM: Give us one the attiIudeof the Government towards many name ... (/nlerruptions) of the Commissions of Enquiry that had been ordered? Recently, you have appointed a SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I will Committee to look into the Delhi riots of give you names who have been active 1984. Who is the Chairman of this Commit- Congressmen; office-bearers of the Con- tee? I have got nothing against this person. gress party, till the date of their appointment He is the retired Chief Justice 01 the Kerala as Judges. He is taking a lot, without any High Court. He was the WF candidate pitted idea... ( Interruptions) again.. me in the last Parliament election. But the peopJe did not elect him. He is a man PROF. K.V. THOMAS: We have made .., political tact. Bl~ I am not questioning mistakes, which have to be corrected. But, his integrity. A person with such political tact there is a pertinent question. What is the 537 Commissions of Inquiry CHAlmA 8, 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) BiN 538 attitude of the Government towards these subjected to political gimmicks. He said when enquiry commissions? Governors are appointed or removed, the concerned State Governments should be There is another example. Shri Venu consu~ed. Have you done it now? When you Nair was another member, who was a Public came to power in this House, you said that Service Commission member. There is a the Governors will remain in the States as clause which says that Public Service long as the Central Government had la~h in Commission members, aitertheir retirement them. This is not an open Government. This should not take up any Government job. Is Government has is not value-based. You this member not laking up Government job say; this is a National Front Government. But bv accepting a post in the enquiry commis- the people outside this House say: you are sion? What is the an~ude 01 the Govern- no-Iriends Government and you are lighting ment, here? I would like to know that. af'lo~g yourselves. You are enemies lighting among yourselves. If ar. amendment like Another case is about the Kuldip Singh this is passed, we are afraid about the direc- Commission on Hegde. The Commission tion ~ is going to take because this Govern- had appointed its own Counsel Shri G. ment is without values .. .(lnte"uptions) We Ramanujam The Home Ministry pressurrsed never expected this type 01 attitude lrom the the Counsel to resign. When Kuldip Singh CPM ... ( Interruptions) came to know 01 this, he sent a letter to the Home Ministry, making his strong protest. Is SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: Why ~ an open Government? Is ~ a Government don't you speak about the on value based polnics? I would like to know Bill? .. ( Interruptions) Irom the hon. Minister as to what right he has got to pressurise the Counsel appointed by PROF. K.V. THOMAS: If you look at the the CommisslOn ... (/nterruptions) We have amendment, we are not against it. But our got apprehen~ions. apprehensions are about the direction in which the Government is moving. In this 15.00 hrs. context, when there are communal distur- bance in the country, can we reveal the We lear there is something behind it. reports about all such inquiries? .. (interrup- Thars why we are making our mind clear on tions) That is the question. I leave ~ to the this Bill. We are having apprehensions about Houselor mature thinking. There have been the way in which this Government behaves. disturbances in different parts of the country. II has just completed hundred days. Within Can we reveal the reports 01 inquiries made the shortest period, it has shown that ~ has about all these communal riots? If these are ho moral value. revealed, there will be reactions in the country. This House should think again on this Similarly, in the case 01 Thakkar Com- issue. mission, what is the attitude 01 the Govern- ment? In the case of assassination 01 In- I think, the hon. Home Minister will take diraji, you take one attitude. But in the case into consideration the views that I have of Fairfax, are you taking the same expressed. attilude? .. (lntenuptions) So, this is a Gov- emmant which has got no values, which is SHRI INOER JIT (Oarjeeling): Mr. not open. Chairman Sir, I have great pleasure in con- gratulating the Home Minister for bringing There have been discussions on the forward this Bill. In lact, nI may say so, this Sarkaria Commission in this House. At that Bill has come not a day too soon. In my tima, the'present Finance Minister, Prof. opinion, the amendment which was made in Madhu Oandavate, put a pertinent question. 1986 was a total Iraud on the concept and He said, the post of Governor should not be philosophy behind the Commissions of In- 539 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29,1990 (Amend.) Bill 540

ISh. Inder J~] [Transiation] quiry Act. The entire concept was based on SHRI RAM KRISHAN YADAV one simple fact. Times out of number, alle- (Azamgarh): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to gations were made on the floor of this House, support the Commission of Inquiry (Amend- allegations which were denounced often as ment) Bill. Whenever a Commission of In- character assassination. I also recall one quiry is set up. ~ is asked to go into matters question that arose at that time. How can we of public importance and other serious mat- accept allegations which were not necessar- ters. Public money worth lakhs and crores of ily based on facts. The entire concept of the rupees is spent on these commissions. The Commissions of Inquiry Act was to enable commissions are entrusted wtth the job of this House to get reliable facts and to judge finding the facts and figures and making and determine on the basis of those facts various suggestions. Once a case is trans- and not on the basis of bazaar gossip. There- ferred to the Commission of Inquiry, the fore, I do think that this is a very good Bill. I Government has no say in if. The public would like to compliment the Minister again eagerly awa~s for the report of the Commis- for having brought forward this legislation. sion. The public is ~seH a party to the Com- mission and that is why ~ eagerly awatts for At the same time, I would like to say that its report. ~ wants to see the action taken by one of the greatest scandals of post-inde- the Government on the report of the Com- pendence India was the factthalthe Thakkar mission. There have been instances when Commission's Report was suppressed. I call the party in power did not want to make the ~ a scandal because the report related to the report public when it found that the report assassination of the Prime Minister of this went against the Government. In Azamgarh, country. The whole purpose of the Commis- the Parliamentary Const~uency I represent, sions of Inquiry Act was to enable the coun- a serious incident took place. There was a try to know as to how the Prime Minister was quarrel between the lawyers and the police assassinated, what were the forces behind ~ personnel on some issue and on that pretext and who were the persons responsible for it. the lawyers went on strike. The strike pro- And yet, we faced an extraordinary srtuation longed. In order to bring the strike to an end, which I can only call grossly scandalous. In the S.S.P. of the district ordered police firing that situation the country was denied infor- on the lawyers, and gowns, filed and ve- mation which ~ had every right to get. There- hicles of the lawyers were set ablaze. The fore, I think, this is a very good Bill. then District Judge also fell victim to these atrocities. He suffered injuries. On our request and on the request of the District I would like to make one other point In Judge, a Commission of Inquiry headed by a the little time which you have kindly given retired High Court Judge was set up. Hun- me. A question was raised by the previous dreds of lawyers including myself stood wtt- speaker regarding the Commissions of In- ness before the Inquiry Commission. The quiry Act on communal incidents. We all people of the areas were anxious to S88 as know that we have a free Press and we hope to what would be the stand of the Govern- that we shall always continue to have a free ment in the police-lawyers dispute and what Press. The Press brings out various reports action would be taken by the Govemment in about various communal incidents. Different this regard. The Inquiry continued lor a pretty conflicting reports appear.lthink the country long time. Finally, the Commission gave its has a right to get authentic, reliable informa· verdict and heIdShriC.P. Satpathi, !haS.S.P. tion to enable ~ to judge objectively. 01 the district responsible for the lapse. The report said said that the S.S.P. onIered lathi charge and firing in an organised manner on With these words, I support this legisla- innocent lawyers and the Dis!rict Judge_ No tion wholeheartedly. action has so far been taken on the raporl 541 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) Bill 542

What to talk of taking action, even the repon enC9s with Shrimati Indira Gandhi; she was of the CommissIOn was not placed before nat our party leader, but she was the Prime the House. The people of the area, the Ministerofthe Country, Head oflheGovem- lawyers, the advocates and the Judges are ment. There may not be any single Indian anxious to know as to why the Government who was not deeply perturbed and disturbed does not take any action when the Commis- by thiS killing and the circumstances in which sion held Shri Satpathl gUI~y. Whether or not rt took place. The Commission was set up by Government took any action. the people the then Government. The choice althe han. wanted t~ know as to who was gUilty But the Judge. who was to act as the CommISsion. Government took pretext of the amendment was the chOice of the Government. They of the Act and did not place the report In the selected Mr. Thakkar. He went Into the whoie House. ThiS created angUish, III Will and matter and came aut wrth a very voluminous mistrust against the Government In the minds report on the baSIS of his enquiry and find- of the people I, therefore. request that re- Ings And then suddenly. the House was pons of the Commission should Invariably Informed and the country was informed that be placed before the House Finally. I would the Government had decided that this report like to say that the amendment which has would not be made public and woUld not be been brought forward IS a good one and I laid on the table of the House. I was sur- support It. prised that nat a Single Congress Memoer in thiS Hause protested against thiS mockery of (Engltsh] the Commissions of InqUiry legislatIOn which was there. The Prime Minister was killed and SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA (Mldnapore). the people of the country wanted to know Mr Chairman, Sir. I have great pleasure In what was behind It. who were the forces complimenting the Government for bringing responsible It IS something which had never thiS amending Bill and thereby restoring the happened In thiS country before. I do not prevIous position which eXisted prior to 1986. claim any credit forth IS, but when I was here. and which made It mandatary for the Gov- I and other Members from the Opposition at ernment to lay an the table of the Hause- that time were shouting on several occa- that means to make It publlc-the findings of sIOns and were demanding that thiS report the Commissions of InqUiry In the present must be made public; that rt was not the case which led to thiS Situation. I recall, that private property of the Gover~ment or any- the assa<~lnatlon of the then Prime Minister. body else Shrlmatl Indira Gandhi was an unprece- dentpo occurrence for our country There People o· t~IS country have a fight to know are other countries. some neighboUring w'lat IS the con;;plracy behmd the murder; countries also, wh~·"e polItical assasslna· who are responsible for rt; who have hatched tlons of the Prime MInisters. the PreSidents rt. But Government refused to gIVe any de- and so on have taken place on a number of tails and It was only after tremendous pres· occasions 10 'lur country w@ have followed sure which was created Inside the House a different tradition At least s nee after the and outSide the House-and I must say the killing of M,ratma Gandhl3~d uptothe time Press In thiS country played a crUCIal role in of the killing of Shll",atl Indira Gandhi, we CrIticIsing the Government and accusing It of had taken a democratic path Even d we trying to suppress the truth, rt was the period have serious differences With the Govern- of suppression of truth. It was a perIOd when ment. With the ruling party. or a particular truth regarding the Bofors deal was sup- Pnm@ Minister and want to remove them pressed, when the truth regarding identity of from power It should 00t be don@ by the people who smuggled money out of this bullE't but by the ballot We were trYing to country and encash It away In foreign banks follow trls path and thiS tragic occurrence was sought to be suppressed and then the came as a really tremendous shock to the murder of the Pflme Minister of this country entire country. We had our polillcal dlffer- was sought to be suppressed-the Govern- 543 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Amend,) Bill 544

ISh. Indrajit Gupta] gation from coming out wrth further facts which will throw light on the conspiracy? We ment was compelled by sheer force of public don't know till t'lis day why Beanl Singh was opinion to rescind their earlier decision in shot; by whose order he was killed, we don't respect of that particular report and to lay it know. We don't know who was responsible on the Table of the House. It leaked out also. for the fact that these two people-Beant Large extracts from rt be9an to appear in the Singh and Satwant Singh-were given duty Press and the Government was left wrth no on that particular morning at the same spot ahernative but to lay rt on the Table of the which was not their normal duty at all. All House. But still they refused to amend that Ihesethings read like some piece officlion or Bill which they had passed in 1986. some detective story. One man asked for his dl.:ty to be changed from his normal posnion I am not going into the merns of Thakkar to the point near the gate by which Smt. Commission's Report. It was debated in the Indira Gandhi was to pass and other said House earlier. It is not the final word on the that he was not well and was suffering from subject, in my opinion. Simply because it some stomach problem and, therefore, concludes by saying that the needle of sus- wanted to be posted on a spot which is near picion points to a particular person, I don't the toilet. Is rt all a coincidence? The Report think all the intricacies of this assassination unfortunately does not reveal who was reo have been disclosed or revealed even till sponsible for changing the normal duties of today. This is important because in future I these two santries and putting them on that would like to say that when reports of Com- Single place at that particular time so that mission of Inquiry are published whICh con- both of them can operate together. These tain many things perhaps with which that are very valid points. The Report speaks of particular Commission was not able to deal the avoidable delay in rushing the Prime definitively, finally. but those have been Ministerto hospital. Why the ambulance car raised-ths Commission itse~ has raised was not immediately available? Why there and brought to public light-there should be was a delay? As we know that doctors in the some malChinery or some system or some hospital have said that when she arrived, procedure by which some follow up action is she was well. Clinically, she was already taken. Thakkar's Report has not solwd thiS dead. There was no point in trying to revive question, by simply pointing a needle of her or save her. But if that delay had not suspicion on one person only. Ofcourse. it IS taken place, I do not know there might have lamentable that even after the needle of been some faint chance of reviving her. Who suspicion was sought to point at a particular was responsible for those arrangements? person, that person was immediately rein- Who was responsible? Her personal secu" stated and put in a very key position in the rity who 'Nas walking along with her or just Prime Minister's Secretariat. I don't know behind her was to fire at apparently, but what kind of respect is shown to the Report nothing at all. We are lay men bl.it we know of the Commission of InqUiry. So many more that personal security are supposed 10 be questions are there which remained unan- highly trained people whose job is at the risk swered to this day. Why not another Com- of their own lives, to cover physically wkh mission of Inquiry, or some Investigation by their own bodies, to cover the person who is a special team and so on was being contem- being attacked. But nothing was done. So plated to follow up those points? For ex- many questions are there. We know there is ample the main assassin, Bean! Singh was a background to this assassination, It came shot. As you know, within a short time after only four months or four and a ha~ months the assassination, he was taken into custody after the Operation Blue Star. We cannot and he was shot down by other guards on forget it. I don't like to speak about these duty. So many speculations have been there .things. This Operation Blue Star, whether H on this question. Whether it was done delib- was right or wrong, whether it was a corr9CI erately in order 10 prevenl him under inlerro" move to take or not, the history will d9Cide. 545 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKAI (Amend.) Bill 546

But the CQvernment at tbattime decided to Bandwa Mazdoor. The previous amendment carry out this Operation Blue Star and there said, I quote: is no doubt that that action has done more than any1hing else to antagonise the entire "When the Government is satisfied that mass of the sikh community, even those in the interest of the sovereignty and people who prior to Operation Blue Star integrrtyol India, the securityofthethe were not supporting' these terro'rlsts and State, Iriendly relations wrth foreign Khalistanis. But after this what they consid· States or in the public interest..· ered to be the desecration of their olace of worship--their main place of religious wor- ~ is well-known that our friends on the ship, where they consider that the entry of opposite side equated the sovereignrty and the armed forces and then firing inside and integrity of India with the Gandhi family. They killing of people and all that-is something equated the securrty 01 the State wrth the which they are not prepared to condone. Has Gandhi lamily. F rienndly relations wrth for- It no bearing on what happened four months eign States also depend on the Gandhi family. or four and a haH months later? But there is I want to say this because I want to say the no lin~e inquiry made Into all these side perspective with which this Bill was brought. aspects 01 this sole assassinatIon whIch I believe would have revealed the responsIbil- AN HON. MEMBER: Which Gandhi are Ity 01 many other people and many lorces you relerring to? behInd this assaSSinatIon. Anyway, I want to know whether there IS any pos.ibility 01 SHRI A.N. SINGH DEO: The Finance following up these things by any subsequent Minister made ~ clear when he referred to it. Investigating team or inquiry. They would be I am not rei erring to the Gandhi which the necessan!, !think, il such things are notto be . Fianance Minister referred to. I was referring repeated In our country again. But the pres- to the present Gandhi, and not the earlier ent Government, by restoring the prevIous Gandhi. .. (Interruptions) position-whatever Iriends on this sIde may say-has done a very correct thing. And the So, this amendmem was brought after suppression 01 this Report, whIch the previ- 20 years, when it was thought frt to keep the ous Government was made to do was noth- Thakkar Commission report a secret. Why ing but an insu~ to public morality and an was ~ kept secret? h was notlor the imegrrty insult to the rights of the people to get at the and sovereignity of the country, which was in truth about these thIngs. danger.

Therefore, rt IS a very good thing and a The danger was that the whole palace commendable thing that this Bill has been chque-as we would call it-would be ex· brought and I hope, the entire House, Includ- posed; who was behind the assassins of Ing the Opposition. will support It and vote lor Mrs. Indira Gandhi-that would have been d. And, that will be some another mIlestone exposed. in the path which this Government is trying to lollow, namely, to restore democratic values Now our friends take the excuse of and to undo many undemocratic things which Kashmir. They ask whether a Commission is were done in the past. going to be set up to inquiry into the happen· ings in Kashmir. They say that a position I welcome this Bill. may come about when we may have to hide certain facts. Then why are they demanding SHRI A.N. SINGH DEO (Aska): Sir, I a Commission: why are our honourable rise to support the Bill for restoration 01 high friends and especially their camp followers prtnciples which the NatIOnal Front promIsed in the National Front-I am sorry, the Na· to the people. It is unfortunate thatourlriends tional Conferen~re also demanding a on the other side are still behaVIng like Commission of Inquiry? .. \/ntem.ptions) 547 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 , (Amend.) BiU 548

ISh. A.N. Singh Deo] duty olthe National Front Government to get this changed. Therefore, I congratulate the Again, they say that a Commission of Ministerfor having brought this amendment. Inquiry may expose something; and, there· I strongly support this amendment, and I fore. this shoud not be amended. But this hope our friends on the other side will realize National Front Government, the Janata Dal their mistakes. and support this amendment. and ~s other friends have promised to tho people that they would take away whatever SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): undemocratic act that has been perpetuated Mr. Chairman, I rise to welcome the Bill. It is by the Congress. There is a saying in English timely and I am happy to see that the Gov· that the leopard does not change its spots. It ernment has moved in the direction of undo- is unfortunate that our friends, even after ing serious, undemocratic public wrongs that learning that they have been thrown out by had been done as a result of the amendment the people of the country for their acts of olthe Commissions of Inquiry Act in the year omission and commission, are not willing to 1986. Even at that time, I had spoken in the change their spots. They are again propa· same vein striking a note of caution. gating that this is a bad amendment: espe· cially ourfriends who have nothing to say. or The Commissions of Inquiry Act was add to this dpoate, just get up and talk about enacted, I believe. in the year 1952. At that Kerala, and what happened here or there. lime. there was no provision inthe Act making without sayiAg a word as to whether th,s it imperative or compulsory on behafl of the present action is a good action of this Gov· Government to place on the Table of the ernment or not. House the Report of any Commissions of Inquiry. As a result, there were several An inquiry commission is set up to find complaints that Reports of very important out facts. They are being set up since 1952. Commissions of Public Inquiry never found during Jawaharlal Nehru's time: and the Act the light of the day. The law Commission was amended in 1971 , to include a provision went into th,s question; and in on of its that all the facts should be brought before the Reports, even the Law Commission sug- people. When they are placed before Parlia· gested that when a Commissions of Inquiry ment, people take cognisance of them, and was instituted and the Report was received, will debate on what is wrong and what is then within a period of six months, the Report good. So, you cannot expect a bener demo· must be laid on the Table of the House. On cratic principle than this. Unfortunately. they the basis of this recommendation of the Law went back on this, because they wanled to Commission, the Commissions of Inquiry hide certain things. They wanted to hide the Act was amendment in the year 1971: and it fact that their own staff who was going with was provided that the Reports of the Com- Mrs. Indira Gandhi. was going behind her, missions of Inquiry must necessarily come near here, ran away when the firing started. before this House. However, it was unfortu- And he was, for four years, banished from nate that in the year 1986, through an Ordi- near the throne; and aQ- ,he was brought nance, the Act was amended. I need not go back, after the Thakka, '.,;,mmission report into the circumstances of this Ordinance; was suppressed. Now he is a memberolthe that Ordinance was promulgated just 4 or 5 Rajya Sabha. or a few days after the House was adjourned in July 1986 or so. But then that amendment Therefore. the motive behind is not the to the CommIssions of Inquiry Act gave welfare -:>f the country. the motive is not arbitrary powers to the Government of India sovereignity of the country. th9 motive is not to decide whether or not to place the Reports public interest. It was brought only to serve a on the Table of the House. There were no personal interest, that is. only for equating a inbuilt safeguards also. Atthattlme, I pleaded single family with public interest. That is why in this House that even H you wish to take this Act was brought in. Therefore. it is the those powers which you should not take 549 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKAI (Amend_) g 550 then, forthe sake of God, alleast have some constitute the report of the Thakkar Commie- InbuHt safeguards. I had also moved aI that sion, many even among those who_In the time certain amendments to the Bill. How- Treasury Benches. ever, for reasons best known to the entire nalion, the Amendment Bill aI thai time was I must say therefore that they must also passed; and as a result of that, an attempt come forward to place those papers also was made to suppress the Thakkar Com- which this House has been asking, on the mission Report. I do not want to go into the Table of the House, so that the claim to detaHs of this history, but. then there was a public accession to information could really pressure from the people as a resuh of which be granted. the Thakkar Commission Report was laid on the Table of the House. Now. Mr. Chairman, Sir, in addition I must say that it was a 6e

[Sh. G.M. Banatwalla] dations of the High Power Panel which was appointed for their weHare? This is certainly the Government about the action taken a public wrong. I urge upon the Govemment thereon. to see that this public wrong is also undone.

Now that takes me to another aspect of On the issue, I have just two more the whole p!ObIem. sentences and then I have done. There is a public agitation; public mind is agitated on MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly·conclude. various allegations of suppression 01 the fundamental rights and human rights of in- SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Mr. Chair- nocent people in Kashmir. I must also urge m, \ do you wanfme to conclude? upon the Government that a proper Com- mission of Inquiry be appointed on this MR. CHAIRMAN: It is one hour debate. question. It is not proper that public mind We have already consumed two hours. should continue to be agitated. It must have the fullest inloramtion on the allegations of SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: So, the atrocities and suppression directed against entire wrath must come upon me. I fail to the people of kashmir, the Kashmiris, in the understand this particular thing. Mr. Chair- name 01 suppressing terrorism. I mustlhere- man, I will try to run along the points that I lore urge upon the Government that a proper wish to make. Commission of Inquiry with a mandatory report, to look into all the matters in Kashmir There are several Commissions of In- since 19th January 1990 be instituted. We quiry specially about communal riots; and shoud have that report as early as possble recommendations made. But those recom- and that report should also be laid on the mendations are never implemented. So, in Table of the House. addition to the importance of the Commis- sion of Inquiry report being placed on the [ Translation] Table 01 the House, there is also the necessity of implement~tion as lar as possible 01 SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA the various recommendations 01 the Com· (Jaipur): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to missions of Inquiry. I must urge upon the congratulate the Government for bringing Govemment to see to it that the recommen- lorward this amendment, but at the same dations of several Commissions of Inquiry time I regret lor the delay. Had the Govern- are properly gone through, scanned and ment got it passed in the lirst session heH action laken wherever possible. and had the Thakkar Commission Report, which has been relerred to in the House time In addition to Commissions of Inquiry, at and again been laid in the House, the fabric limes Committees are appointed by the of the House would have been somewhat Government. They are appointed on several different. Besides, their strength would have important issues. Now, here we have a been far below 195 seats which they have Government that makes claim of right to won. I regret for the delay on the part 01 the information and all that. There is a report 01 Central Government in bringing forward-this a Committee that goes by the name "High amendment Bill. Such a Bill should have Power Panel on Minorities" preSided over by been introduced on priority basis in the first Dr. Gopal Singh, appointed by the then session itseH. Commission of Inquiry (Amend- Government. For the past several years, the ment) B~I is rtot like the Bofors deal which report is lying with the Government and we would expose people of their deeds. I feel have been demanding that the report be that this Bill is in the interest of the Cong_ placed on the Table of the House. Why also. The Congress has already done the should the minorities be denied atleast this things which it was supposed to do. Now it Ie information as to what were the recommen- the -turn of the National Front Government 553 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKAI (Amend.) BiN 554 which is bringing forward this amendment. H the Commission is not placed before the • comm~s any mistake, it will bear ~s conse- House, what is the use of setting up such a quences. There is nothing for the opposition Commission? to be worried about. We want to place before the House the reports of the Commissions of [English) Inquiry whenever they are set up for a specific purpose. The opposition has already The Inquiry Commission's report should not had its innings. " they oppose such an im- be withheld from Parliament and the State portant Bill, What will be the justHiability of Legislature as the case may be, under any making a demand for a Commission of In- circumstances. quiry. There is no need to set up a Commis- sion of Inquiry Hits report is not to be laid on [Translation) the Table of the House. In 1952, Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru was there. He was a We will place the report of the Commission democrat and he had faith in democracy. An on the Table of the House and as such the amendment to Commission of Inquiry Act hon. members of Congress Party should was brought forward in 1986 and I cannot extend their support to this amendment. understand the reasons for bringing forward They should do so because the people are this amendment. Nehru's policy was right. the highest court in our country. They are The amendment that was brought forward in more powerful than the Supreme Court and 1986 was totally against the conscience of the House of the people comprising 545 Pand~ Nehru and Shrimati Indira Gandhi. members which is considered to be the From their heavenly abode they might be supremes authority. They have seen as to cursing their followers for bringing forward how powerful the people are! The people the above amendment. Had the Congress who were in power for the last several years Party allowed a discussion on Thakkar and who claimed that the sun did not set in Commission Report and placed the report their kingdom are sitting in the opposition on the Table of the House, the results would and we are occupying the seats behind the have been different. They carried out the treasury benches. This is the result of the above amendment. They were destined to verdict olthe people. I am speaking in favour rule for 5 years which they did. Now why of the Congress Party also. Now they have should they bother? Now it is our Govern- 195 seats in the House. I warn them to be ment and we will face the consequences of cautions lest their number should come down any report that would come to us. They to 20-25 or 2-4 in future. I,: therefore, request should, therefore, extendtheirsupporttoour them to ext.. , KllheH ~Jr+"lrt to tnis ame~:j· proposal. ment in their own interest as it will be a due regard to the departed souls of Jawaharlal [English) Nehru and Shrimati Indira Gandhi. Shrimati Indira Gandhi was not their Prime Minister The Commission of Inquiry is always set up alone. She was the popular Prime Minister of for the purpose of making inquiry into any the whole country. That is why they should definite matter of public importance. extend their support to this amendment so that it could be made public as to who was [Ttallslation) her assailant. Let the Thakkar Commission Report be placed on the Table of the House. In other words, Commission of Inquiry There are different varsions about the se- will be set up for matters of public impor- quences at the time of Shrimati Gandhi's tance. When a Commission of Inquiry is set assassination. According to one version, up, it involves expenditure, valuable time of Shri Dhawan was holding an umbreUaabove V.I.Ps is consumed and the time of wit- Shrimati Gandhi's head and was walking by nesMS is also killed. Even alter incurring her side. There was no sun shine atthat time. expenditure and wasting time, Hthe report of The bullets fired at that time should have first 555 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (AmtHld.) BiD 566 [Sh. Girdhari Ial Bhargava) Nehru and Shrimati Indira Gandhi.

h~ the person who had abundant love lor [English) her. He should have first faced the bullets. But he did not come forward. According to THE MINISTER OF HOME AFAIIRS Thakkar Commission Report, the needle 01 (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): Mr. suspicion moves towards Shri Dhawan who Chairman, Sir, I am thankful to the lion. was prasent on the spot. Th is has bean a members lor extending supporttothe amend- subjadoldiscussion allover the country. He ment to the Commissions of Inquiry Act. is not an ordinary person. Mr. Chairman, Sir, Under the Commissionsollnquiry Act, 1952, had it been the case of an ordinary person it was mandatory for the Central Govern- like you and me. there was no need lor ment or the State Governments, whenever having the maHer discussed in the House. they appointed an Inquiry Commission, to The common man has no protector tn this lay the Report 01 that Commission on the country. During the Congress Rule, I cannot Table 01 the House within six months. In say if commodities were selling cheapor not, 1986, keeping in view the Thakkar Commis- but human life had certainly become very sion's Report. the then Central Government cheap. H a person was lying on the road, made an amendment whereby powers were nobody came to take care 01 him for 4·5 given to the Government to withhold the hours. Th at is why I said that in the Cong ress Report or part 01 it, if it was detrimental to Rule, if any thing had become cheap, it was national security, security 01 higher dignitar- the man who had no protector. Clothes and ies or lriendly relations with neighbouring or other commodities also did not become other countries. Sir, you knowthatthepeople cheap. This Government wantsto bring down of India wanted to know the circumstances the prices 01 all commodities. ~ wants to which led to the assassination of Indiraji who make provision for holding enquiries into the was assassinated it her own residence by killings of human beings who are considered her own security people. So, it was a malter to be the supreme creatures of God, I would of great importance. When the Central like to pc>int out that the full report of the Government got powers to withhold the Rangnath Mishra Commission which went Report, it created doubts among the people into the causes of killing during communal as to who was responsible, whal were the riots in Delhi has not been laid on the Table circumstances, why she was not given proper of the House. The report of the Thakkar protectIOn. Then there was great agitation by Commission also has not been laid. These the then Opposition. The Opposition com- reports should be placed belorethe House In pelled the Government to lay the Report but the larger interests of the country. The Na· the Government laid on the Tabla of the tional Front Government should have brought House, only part of the Report, not the whole forward this amendment in the very first of it. I can quote the then Notification which session nullifying the amendment made in was issued by the then Home Ministry and it 1986 in the Commission oflnquiry Act, 1952. rather asked the Commission to make en- Though late, the National Front Government quiry about the following maHers: has taken a step in the right direction by deciding to place the reports of all commis- "(a) the sequence of events leading to sions of Inquiry which would be set up under all facts relating to the assassina- the Commission of Inquiry Act, The reports tion of the late Prime Minister; will be considered in the House and then only any decision could be taken. I support (b) whether the crime could have baan the amendment brought forward by the averted and whether there w.s any NlIIionai Front Government and request my iapse or deriliction of duty in this friends in the Congress Party to extend their regard on the part of any the indi- support to this amendment in conformity viduals on security d~ at the time with the conllCience of Pandit Jawaharlal of the commission of the crime and 557 Commissions of/nquiry CHAlmA 8,1912 (SAKA) (Amend,) SiR 558

other individuals responsible for the know the facts. Mr. Chidambaram has securijy of the late Prime Minister; mentioned one instance where the present Government is rather wijhholding fts report (c) the deficiencies if any, in the secu- As far as Wadhwa Committee Report was rity system and arrangements as concerned, the report was submitted to the prescribed or as operative in prac- Home Minlstry on 26.3.1 g90. You said that tice which might have facilitated we were not prepared to lay ij on the Table of the commission of crime: the House. We will lay ij on the Table of the House. So, my submission is that the objec- (d) the deficiencies, if any, In tne pro- tive is very clear and there cannot be any cedures and measures as pre- male fide intention. The Government wants scribed or as operative In practice that ~ any Commission is appointed, it will in attending to and providing medi- submit ijs report and it should be the property cal attention to the late Prime Min- of the House and the Members of this House ister after the commisSion of crime and the people of India should know its and whether there was any lapse findings. or denlictlOn of duty In thiS regard :'In the part of Individuals respon- SHRIP. CHIDAMBARAM: My question sible for prOViding such medical is regarding the appointment of a retired attention. JustICe, Shri Subramaniam Poti. How could he enquire into Delhi riots? Does he say that (e) whether any person or persons' he IS an independent person? let him say agencies were responsl~e for that. concealing. prepanng and plannong the assassination and whether SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: there was any conspiracy in thiS He was appointed by the Lt. Governor of behalf and If so. all remrt Delhi. It is on his competence.

3. The CommissIOn may also recom- SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Is it that the mend the correctIVe remedies and retired Justice was appointed by the Lt. measures that need to be taken for Govemor without consulting and without the futllre With respect to matters obtaining the approval of the Home Minis- specified In Clauses (c) & (d) above: try?

4. The Commission shall submit ItS SHRI MUFTI I.IOHAMMADSAYEED: I report to the Central Government said that the report was submitted on 26th as soon as possible but not later March, 1990. than six months: SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: 26th of So, Sir, when the present Government March? Your dates are wrong. Please check is rather moving amendments, ft has its own up. The matter came up before the Supreme arbitrary cowers, it has the discretionary Court ... ( Interruptions) power. If the Government appoints an In- quiry CommiSSIOn, then the Inquiry Cc.mmis- SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I sion submrt its report. Then, rt is the discre- say, on the 26th of March the Report has tion of the Government whether it will place been submitted to the Home Ministry. ij on the Table of the Houseor not. So. we are giving up thiS power. Otherwise, what IS the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Home Min- purpose of appolnllng an InqUiry Commis- istry? Sir, I am asking a very simple question, sion? Any event, any incident. .wherever it let the Home Minister answer. Is it his case happens, when you appoint an Inquiry that retired Justice Subramniam Poti was Commission, then the people would like to appointed by the Lt. Governor without con- 559 Commissions of Inquiry MARCH 29, 1990 (Amend.) Bill 560

ISh. P. Chidambaram) matter which has no relevance for the future also--the question affecting the secur~y of suiting and without obtaining the approval of the Prime Minister, whoever the individual the Home Ministry? Let him say 'yes' or 'no' may be. Therefore, would it not be in the we will accept ~. fitnessof1hings forthe Government to ~t up some other investigating machinery or some SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I special investigating team or something to say, we don't come into the picture. It is go into these aspects which were there origi- w~hin the competence of the Lt. Governor to nally in the terms of reference, but had not appoint. I, is w~hin his competence. we don't been dealt with or could not be dealt with' interfere. adequately by the Thakkar Commission? Would you just leave them hanging in the air SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Just one like that? question, Sir. Certain documents connected w~h the Thakkar Commission's Report havp. SHRi MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: still not been placed or. the Table of the Sir. the Government would appreciate the House. 00 you propose to place them on the suggestion made by Indrajitji. We would like Table of the House? to examine this suggestion whether it is possible to do it. We have to go into details. SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: We have to make de novo the investigation We propose to lay on the Table of the House because previously some committee was the whole Rer>ert. apPOinted, some investigating agency was here and it recommended some measures. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA: Would the We have to go again into them and see what hon, Home Minister assure the House that can be done. action would be taken against all those per· sons who have been named in the Thakkar SHRI SRIKANTAJENA (CUI!ack): May Commission's Report as responsible for the I know from the hon, Minister when he is murder of Mrs. Indira Gandhi or against proposing to place the entire Report of the whom some action IS required to be taken? Thakkar Commission in this Would the hon. Minister assure the House? House?,.( Inte"uplions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: ThiS IS not connected SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I w~h the Commissions of Inquiry (Amend- have already said that the full Report will be ment) Bill. placed on the Table of the House during the current Session. SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir, in citing the Government Notification giving the terms MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: of reference of the Thakkar CommiSSIOn, the Home Minister referred to the charge which "That the Bill further to amend the was given to that Commission to go into any Commissions of Inquiry Act, 1952, be serious lapses of security and dereliction of taken into consideration: duty which may have occurred. In that Re· port there are many things connected with The motion was adopted Ihese questions which have not been covered, have not been dealt w~h and many MR. CHAIRMAN: The House will now things have been left shrouded in mystery. I take up clause-by-clause consideration of would like to know, because this is not a the Bill, 561 Commissions of Inquiry CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) (Amend.) Bill 562

Clause 2 -(Amendment of section 3 of "That Clause " as amended, stand Act 60 of 1952) part of the Bill.'

SHRIGIRDHARILALBHARGAVA: Sir, "The motion was adopted. I move: Clause 1, as amended. was added to the Bill. Page', hne 6.-·- Enacting FormUla for "shall be omitted" substitute- Amendment made

"Shall always be deemed to have been Page 1, line 1,- omitted and it shall be obligatory to lay before the House all the reports sub- for "Fortieth" substitute mitted In the past" (4) "Forty-first" (I)

MR CHAIRMAND: Another amend- (Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed) ment by Shrr Nathu Singh IS Similar to that of Shrr Girdhan Lal Bhargava So. he need not MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: move It separately. "That the Enacting Formula, as I/merruptions) amended. stand part of the Bill:

MR. CHAIRMAN: I shall now put the The motion was adopted Amendment No 4 moved by Shn Glrdharr Lal Bhargava to the vote of the House. The Enacting Formu/a, as amended, was added to the Bill. Amendment NO.4 was put and negaTIVed long title MR CHAIRMAN: I shall now put Clause 2 to the vote of the House. MR CHAIRMAN: The question is:

The question IS' "That Long Title stand part of the Bill."

"That Clause 2 stand part of the Bill " The motion was adopted.

The motion was adopted The Long Title was added to the Bill.

Clause 2 was added to the Bill. SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: Sir. I beg to move: Clause 1-(Short tit/e)

Amendment mad9 "Thalthe Bill, as amended, be passed,"

Page 1, hne 4.- MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is:

for "1989" substitute "'990" "Thatthe Bill. as amended. be passed: (2) The motion was adopted (Shli Mufti Mohammad Sayeed)

MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: 563 Cr. Law Amend. MARCH 29, 1990 (Amending) BiN 564

16.09 hrs. maps scrutinised by the Survey of India before publication. Where maps were to be CRIMINAL LAW AMENDMENT (AMEND- . prepared on scales different lrom those on ING) BILL which outline maps were made available by the Survey of India, the publishers were AS PASSED BY RAJYA SABHA required to get them vetted before publication. In sp~e of these measures, instances of [English] incorrect depiction of external boundaries of India by private agencies and newspapers MR. ~HAIRMAN: Now, we take up ~em continued to come to r,otice. It was not found no. 8. Shri Multi Mohammad Sayeed. leasible to take action under the existing law unless it was proved that a wrong map was THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS published in a manner which was or was (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): Sir, likely to be prejudical to the interests 01 the I beg to move: safety and secur~y of India or that mala fide intention was involved. ''That the Bill to amend Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1961. as passed by During discussion in this House on 21 st Rajya Sabha, be taken into considera- August, 1987 some hon. members had tion-. pointed out that publication of a wrong map of India was taking place frequently. Hon. Sir, the publication of correct maps of members had also desired that the Govern- the country is a matter of nalional concern as ment adopt some loolproof provisions or depiction of incorrect boundaries of the arrangements to curb such publications in country amounts to indirectly questioning future and consider having a law to enable the frontiers of India and the terr~orial integ' the Government to take action against per- rity of the country. Any tendency/action on sons publishing wrong maps of the country. the part of anybody to question the territorial At that time, the House was assured that if integr~y and frontiers of the countrY has to be the legal provisions were not sufficient curbed and stringent action IS required to be enough to take deterrent action against those taken to discourage other persons Irom who distorted the maps of our country, the induiging in such activities. Government is Government was willing to review the whole keen to ensure that on'y co"",..t maps of the thing and come forward to this House w~h a country are published. view to taking stnngent action against them.

16.10 hrs. In Rajya Sabha, the Bill was supported by all section of the House and was passed [SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN in w~hout any amendment. the Chailj With these words, I commend the Bill lor Several measures were taken in the consideration of the House. past for this purpose. In 1966, instructions and guidelines were issued to the State MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved: GovernmentslUnion Territory Administra· tions to see that publishers get their maps "That the Bill to amend Criminal Law vetted in advance by the Survey of India who Amendment Act, 196t, as passed by publishes the authentic maps of the country. Rajya Sabha, be taken into considera- It was decided later that the Survery of India tion." would make available on free sale basis the outline maps of various scales which the SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): publishers could utilise as base. In such Mr. Chairman, Sir, we welcome this Bill and cases, it would not be necessary to get the we support this Bill. Sir, I only wish that the 565 Cr. Law Amend. CHAllRA 8,1912 (SAKA) (Amending) BiR 566 Home Minister had, in his opening remarks, MR. CHAIRMAN: Order please. I have mentioned that the Bill was prepared by the no objection to your talk. But the sound previous Government and approved during should not reaCh the Chair and cause distur- the tenure of the previous Government. That bance to others. is why, this received unanimous support in Rajya Sabha and I am sure, this will receive unanimous support in this House. We think, SHRI JAGDEEP DHANKHAR: I wholly this is a wholesome measure. This casts agree wrth my brother Shri Chidambaram strict liability on those who publish maps. and I give him the fullest congratulations that They cannot escape under technical de· rt was his Government which mooted the fence. Whoever publishes a map which is idea though after many decades. not in conformity w~h the rnap of India published by the Survey of India is now liable to [Translation] be punished. This was a measure which was contemplated, prepared and drafted by the previous Government and I am glad that the SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA (Pali): Mr. new Government though ~ fit to introduce ~ Chairman, Sir, while extending my whole- in the same manner as we had approved it. hearted support to the Bill I would like to remind my colleagues in the Opposition that We support this Bill. merely making an amendment, in principle, regarding the map of India would not be SHRI JAGDEEP DHANKHAR much useful. According to it, the publication (Jhunjhunu): Mr. Chairman, ~ is a non- of a distorted map of India is being made a controversial Bill. I am qu~e sure the credit punishable offence. The present Govern- goes to the earlier Government also. illS a ment is going to make an amendment in timely Bill. The incidence of misrepresenta- section 2 of the Act to provide that any tion of our boundaries was on the increase. person who has incorrectly depicted the Now, there is a defin~e provision in the Bill external boundaries of India would be pun- whereby punishment could be meted out to ished, but mere distortion of the map will not the persons who are engaged in such mis· be an offence. At the time of chinese inva- chief. sIon when thousands of miles of ourtermory had been occupIed by the Chi,.a. the Con- Map symbolises the sovereJgnrty, unrty gress Government was in power at the centre and integrity of a country and its misrepre- and they had pledged here in the House that sentatior. ,S a serious mailer. Earlier, there every inch of IndIan terr~ory which has been was no definite provision in the existing unauthorisedly occupied by China would be criminal laws whereby the author~ies could taken back. But even today the areas like proceed in a categorical manner against the Mansarovar lake, a part of Tibet and Aksai defautters. Chin, where Major Saitan Singh and thousands of other soldiers had laid down their lives, continue to be under the unauthorised I need not take much of the time here. occupation of China. Therefore, I would like But there are several instance, in the chang- to say to the hon. Members of the Congress Ing polrtical complexion, where extensIve party that mere a provision on thi> paper will publications are coming out, misrepresent· not do. We should take back our land for ing our boundaries over one area or the which our brave soldiers had shed their other. This is happening overseas also and blood and sacrHiced their lives. The depic- I am quite sure the Government will act very tion of Indian map with all that territory which vigilantly by taking diplomatic manoeuvres includes Mansrovar, nbet and Aksai Chin and initiatives to see that overseas publica- etc. will make it a complete map of India and tions also do not mIsrepresent our bounda- restore rts all grace and greatness as the ries. I wholeheartedly support this Bill. Greater India. We used to recite the follow- 567 Cr. Law Amend. MARCH 29,1990 (Amending) BiN 568

ISh. Guman Mal Lodha] territory or questioning the sovereignty or territorial integrity of a country. That Bill ing lines in her praise- made an offence of a visible representation amongst other things, questioning the terri- "Mansrovar jheel jahan hai, chandan torial integrity of frontiers of India in a manner ka van hai nyara, which is or is likely to be prejudicial to the Aisa pyara desh hamara, sari duniya interests and safety and security of India and se hai nyara." that offence was punishable by imprisonment would could extend to a term of three years. This was happening. This was there India should once again have its sover- and in spite of that various maps were being eignty over all ~s parts. For this purpose I published in India and abroad and circulated would like to request allthe hon. Members of in India the maps that were published abroad both the Houses of Parliament to work for which did not represent the actual territory of this objective. While passing this amend- India as published by the Survey of India- ment Members of all the political parties the claim of the Government of India regard- should express political will that the forcibly ing the territory of the people of India. What occupied territory would be taken back and was happening? Even in spite of this provi- a complete map of India would be depicted sion being there in the law, why was it again. necessary to bring anothe' Act? This is a question about which, I think, the hon. Min- The Section 2 of the Amendment Bill ister should have told something. We have says that whoever questions the territorial not been made any wiser. The other thing is; integr~y or frontiers of India in a manner how will this make it possibieto punish those which is or is likely to be, prejudicial to the who are questioning the integrity of India by interests of the safety or security of India, some kind of a cartographic war? Will it shall be punishable ...... " make more possible to do so by punishment for an offence whose punishment is much However I regretto say that while bringing an lesser. Previously, that was three year and amendment the hon. Minister must have this is only for six months. What was the taken note of the original provision made Immediate cause of bringing forward this under section 2 of the parent act which Bill? It was actually brought forward on first initially provided the punishment for a period August 1989. It was first introduced in the of three years but the proposed Amendment Rawa Sabha on that date as per the Bill. has brocght it down to six months which is quite insufficient. I would not like to involve Now, I will try to go through the paper myseH in this controversy but would like to clippings which are practically the only re- take the Bill in its true spirit to say that sources available in the library. I found that whoever questions the sovereignty of the In 1987, there were several publications; country should be given deterrent punish- there were several maps, maps published ment. by the Newsweek two or three times in the same year which showed a part of the terri- With these words. I wholeheartedly tory of India as once belonging to China; support this Amending Bill. second time the same territory belonging to Pakistan. Further, one map on Bangladesh [ Translation] published by some very well known pub- lisher in India also showed part of India SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har- belonging to Bangladesh Export Processing bour); This Bill is amending an Act which Zone. They were advertising through a map. was passed in 1961. The 1961 Act has In that map, part 01 the territory of India was certain provisions regarding cartographic given over to China or Pakistan. This is what war, making claim of some other country's happened. Finally, what extracted a promise 569 Cr. Law Amend. CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKAl (Amending) BiI 570 from the then Home Minister S. Buta Singh SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond Har- was a publication by the Tamil NaduGovern- bour): Somebody said so because they ment which also showed part of India as were In Government. Some 01 you will know China's terrttory. So, the then Member Shri beller than the present Home Minister. The B.S.Ramoowalia belonging to the Akali Dal law has been changed. It is all right. But the Party brought tt to the attention of the Home Government has to answer to the House by Minister and the Home Minister promised- taking some more a<;tion dnd by being more this incident happened in August 1987--that vigilant. It is only when somebody else points he would soon bring lorward a Bill to redress out to the Government that so and so has the sttuation ilthe existing punishments were published a map which give up part of the notstillenough, ilthe existing penattieswere territory to Pakista~ or gives a part 01 the not good enough. I do not know whether territory to China, only then the Government somebody really applied his mind to see wakes up and makes a statement in the whether the existing penaRles were good House and then takes two years to bring a enough, still enough or not. But this Bill has Bill. This is the kind 01 patriotism or a sense been broughllorward. We support it. It is not 01 duty of the Government ttseil, 01 the pre- that we are opposing it. We are supporting it. vious Government. So, they have protected But the point is: may be in that particular to the !)est 01 their abiltty the sovereignly. II Clause something more could have been is now lor our Government, to which we added if something more was needed. That support, to do so. Clause was comprehensive enough to punish anybody who questioned the territorial SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: Our integrtty of India by means 01 a map. A map Government? is a visible representation. That is possibly known. But this is an addition which may SHRI AMAl DATTA: The Govemment create some difficutties in course 01 time which we support'. I have corrected myself. because one inllicts lesser punishment than the other. Another thing which occurs to me in this connection, is that many of these maps are There is, of course, some certainty added published abroad, in the_Newsweek or some because althe question: What is the territory other journal which has a circulation in India. of India? This is linally concluded by the map Now some maps have been published in published by the Survey of India. II that Moscow and have come. And in somepartia- exprassion had been given to that particular mentary discussion, Mr. Ajit Singh had S4IdiDn, • would have been enough. A map pointedoutthat Mr. Go

MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: [ Translation]

"That tha Bill to amend Criminal SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA Law Amendment Act, 1961, as (Jaipur): Mr Chairman, Sir, I wouid like to passed by RalYa Sabha. be taken make the follOWing Amendment in ,t· into consideration". [English) The motion was adoptpd "Whoever published a map of India or MR. CHAIRMAN: Now. the House snail has published durtng the last two years, take up Clause-by-Clause consideration of which is not In conformity with the maps of the Bill. India as published by the Survey of India. shall be punishable with imprisonment which Clause 2- may extend to two years and with fine.'

(Amendment of Section·2) [ Translation]

MR. CHAIRMAN: There are amend· It means that period of imprisonment ments to Clause 2. should be extended from six months to two years. The Bill contains the expression SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA 'imprisonment or with fine' which means (Jaipur): Sir, I beg to move: there will be either six months imprisonment or fine. It again means that the offender will Page 1,- not punished with imprisonment but only with fine. I would like to suggest thatthe term for lines 8 to I 1. subslitute 'six months' imprisonment should be substituted by 1wo years imprisonment' and the .. (2) Whoever publishes a map words' or wrth fine' be substituted by 'and of India or has publisha9 during with fine'. The persons involved in such

579 Cr. L_ Amend. MARCH 29, 1990 (Amending) BiR 580 SHRI P.C.THOMAS: I am not adding MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. P.C.Thomas. anything. My only amendment is that Clause 3 should be deleted so that the right to SHRI P.C. THOMAS: I must hear some- prosecute will not be limited to the Govern· thing from the Home Minister for me to ment. Even a privale penon should get an withdraw my amendment. The Home Minis- opportunity to bring the offence to the notice ter is not saying any reason as to why he is of the Court and prosecute. opposing the amendment. Hthe reason which he gives is convincing to me. I may withdraw. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Minister, have you got to say anything? SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I request the hon. Member to withdraw his SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEEO: amendment. Sir, I oppose all the amendm",.b. SHRIP.C.THOMAS: Iseekleaveolthe MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Girdhari Lal House to withdraw my amendment. Bhe!gaYa, are you preSSing your amend- The Minister has already opposed MR. CHAIRMAN: Has Shri P.C. Thomas your"**' emIIIdments. the leave of the House to withdraw his amendment. [TI8IISIIIfion) Amendment No.5 was, by leave, SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA: I withdrawn raquest the Government to accept the ~ments or else I will have to withdraw MR.CHAIRMAN: The question is: them. I am apart oltha Government and had submitted these things, with your permis- "That Clause 2 stand part of the Bill" sion. I wm make only those submissions, which would satisfy the Government. The motion was adopted

[English) Clause 2 was added to the BiN

MR. CHAIRMAN: Has Shri GirdharlLal Clause 1- Bhargava the leave of the House to withdraw his amendment? (Short title)

MANY HON. MEMBERS: Yes. Amendment made

The amendment No.3 was, by leave, Page 1,line4,- withdrawn for "1989" substitute "1990" (1) MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Nathu Singh. (Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed) ;-iATHU SINGH: I seek leave of .se to withdraw my amendment. MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is:

MR. CHAIRMAN: Has Mr. Nathu Singh "That Clause I, as amended, stand part the leave of the House to withdraw his of the Bill". . amendment? The motion was adopted MANY HON. MEMBERS: Yes.

Amendmtltlt No.4 was, by leav'!, with- C/au.. " u amended, was added fa the drawn Bill 581 Stalt. by MInister (fl. CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Central Jail, Srinagar 582 Escape of OfItlNlues from

Enacting Formula Hon'ble Member during the zero hour in regard to the incident of iail break in Kashmir Amendment made I wish to inform the House that ~ has been reported by the Government of Jammu & Page 1,linel.- Kashm ir thai in the early hours of 28Ih March, 12 delMues escaped from Central for "fortieth" substitute "Forty-first" Jail. Srinaglf. (2) All th_ detenues were housed in a (Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed) special barrack meant for high-risk security prisoners. It is learnt that thay broke open an MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: iron wire net and. subsequently, scale down the iail wall by use of an improvised ladder. "thAt the En~cting Formula, as The security forces in five sentry posts as amended, stand part of the B,II" well as the Watch Tower olthe Jail could nat detect the escape. The headquarters 01 • The motion was adopted BSF Company besides their two platoons were deployed on secur~y duty in the JaI. The Enacting Formula. as amended. was added to the Bill Most of the 12 escapees are known JKLF activists and PaklPOK-trained mili- MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: tants who were under detention under the State Public Safety Act (PSA). Nine of them "Thalthe long Title stand part of the were residents of borderdistricla of Kupwara Bill". and Baramullah. Among thoaewhoescaped The motion was adopted are Khurshid Ahmed ChaIIcoo and Abdul Rasheed Jalla who were knawnto be guides The long Title was added to the BHI for taking Kashmiri youth acroias the border for arms training. Another ascapee. Nissar SHRIMUFTIMOHAMMADSAYEED: I Ahmed PauJ •.is a dischargedJKPConstabie. beg to move: who was arrested for subversive activ~ies. "That the Bill, as amended, be The particulars of escapees are: passed." (i) Nissar Ahmed Paul. Sio Abdul MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: Rashid.

"That the Bill. as amended, be (ii) Khurshid Ahmed Chalkoo. SIo Ali passed." Mohammad of Uri. The motion was adopted (iii) Majez Bhat. S/o Fozdar Bhat.

(iv) Bashir Ahmed S/o Ahmed 16.32 hrs. (v) Azad Khan S/o Alia Khan [English) (vi) Abdul Rashid Sheikh S/o Ghulam STATEMENT ON ESCAPE OF DETENUES Ahmed Sheikh. FROM THE SRINAGAR CENTRAL ,IAIL ON 28TH MARCH. 1990 (vii) Ghulam Rasool Shah SIo Ghulam Mohd. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFF,' !RS (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): Sir, (vii) Gulam Nabi Lone SIo Lata M0- In I8SpOf1SII to the anxiety expressed by the hammad Subhan. 583 Stalt. by Minister reo Escape M~RCH 29, 1990 Disc. /fl. Accident to LA 584 01 Detenues from Central Jail, AJIbus A-320 at ~ Stinagar (be) Abdul Rasheed Jalla Manzeer 5/0 is permitted to speak. Kaluuddin. MA. CHAIRMAN: No, the next _ an (x) Mohammad Amin Safi 5/0 Suthan the list can continue. Sofi. SHRI P.A. KUMARAMANGA1..AM: Hit (xi) Ghulam Nabi Sheikh 5/0 Khalid is so, Sir, then we don' mind.

(l: Ali Mohd. Malik 510 Ghulam Has- MA. CHAIRMAN: Since the movers are san. not present, I call Shri Nathu Singh to raise the discussion. The State Government have taken prompt disciplinary action against delinquent staff. The Superintendent of the Distnct Jail, J & K has been discharged from service. The 16.58 hrs_ Deputy Superintendent (Jail) and the Assis- tant Superintendent (Jail) have been placed DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 under suspension with immediate effect. Accident to Indian Alrllnatl Airbus One Company Commander and one A-320 at BIIngalor. Head-Constable of the BSF have also been placed under suspension with immediate ellect, in tltis connection, and further inquir- [English) ies are being made. SHRI NATHU SINGH (Dausa): Sir, I Some detenues were shifted to other rise to raise a discussion on the statement parts of the country and further arrange- made by the Minister of Civil Aviation in the ments are being made to shift more of them House on the 14th March, 1990 regarding to jails outside the State. the accident to the Indian Airlines Airbus A- 320 at Bangalore and matter connected SHRI A CHARLES (Trivandrum): Sir, I therewith. would like to ask one question. [ Translation) MR. CHAIRMAN: As per the rules, you cannot ask question. Mr. Chairman, Sir, it has been a tragic accident which has exposed the irregulari- Now, we will ta~e up discussion under ties committed by the Civil Aviation Depart- Rule 193. ment in the purchase of this Airbus. Some other short-com ings have also come to light. SHRI P.A. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- lam): Sir, may I make a request to you. Since Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to know both the movers of the discussion are ab- whether these Airbus aircrafts were ready sant-they were expecting that it will reach up for delivery at tha-time of placing the orders_ to 6.00 o'clock if the House agrees, we can According to my knowledge, these Airbus postpone this discussion for tomorrow. aircrafts were not ready for delivery at that time. They were at the drawing board stage, SHRI NATHU SINGH (Dausa): Sir, I at that time but even then the order was have also given a notice on the same subject placed. Earlier, it was deci:led to buy Boeing under Rule 193. 757. I thing the hon. Minister will correct me. Boeing which was in competition with the SHRI P.A. KUMARAMANGALAM: Sir, Airbus, had several mertls. SIr, thOugh it is we unde:stand that under the rulas nobody true that we went In forlha ..... technology 585 Disc. te. AI:cidenf to I.A CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKAl Airbus A-320 at 8angaIore 586 but we did not bear in mind whether the fault or because of lechnical fault? infrastructure 10 operate the Airbus was available at the Indian airports. Orders were These are the question which raise placed for the Airbus without taking this into doubts that there has been some bungling consideration. for payment of commission in the purchase of the Airbus. Therefore, we would like 10 17.00 hra. know whether the Government would order a probe into the entire affair and find out how I would like 10 know from the hon. Min· orders were placed for the purchase of the ister the names of those countries where this Airbus, even before the enquiry report on the Airbus is in operation. I would also like him to crash during the test flight was made public? inform the House of the names of those Why the original engine was replaced bv countries which have purchased this Airbus another one? Which authortty placed the and also the names of those countries who orders for the purchase, after rejecting the either ca'lCelied the order for purchase of recommendations of the committee of the this Airbus, or those countries which wrote Civil Aviation Ministry and on what basis was letters cancelling the order, after the crash of it done? How much commission has been this Airbus, during its test flight in France. taken for the deal. The report says that the crash occurred due lothe pilot's fault. I would Mr. Chairman, Sir, I have got informa· like to know the definite report in connection tion 10 the effect that when orders were wtth the cnlsh. Is it true that air-conditioned placed for the purchase of thiS Airbus, tt had hangers are necessary for the maintenance a different engine in tt, but later on tt was of the this aircraft, whereas we have a mis- replaced wtth the V-2S00 engine. On what erable infrastructure. Eventhe airports are in basis was this accepted and which authority a bad shape. These aircraft were parked in accepted it? I would Ike to know whether the open. This may be one olthe reasons for orders were placed forthe purchase of Boeing the failure of tts machinery. Proper climate 757, before deciding on the Airbus? At that and facilities for the parking and mainte- time, a committee of Civil Aviation Ministry nance GI this type of aircraft do not exist in had taken a decision to purchase Boeing this COunlry. Proper landing faciltties are 757, but after that the then Prime Minister also not available In this country of this went on a foreign tour and when he came Airbus. The Government should provide all back, perhaps in November, the decision to these facilities. Were all thAse points not purchase the Airbus was taken. At what level kepi in mind while inducting this aircraft inlO was the decision to purchase the Airbus A· our fleet? Airports do not have proper land- 320taken alter over ruling the decision of the ing facilities. May I know what steps are Recommendalion Committee of the Civil being taksn by the Government for improve· Aviation. The House should be informed ments in this direction? I would like to know about It. WIlen the Airbus crashed during tts whether the pilots were given requisite train- lesl flight in France, many countries which ing on the basis of latest techniques before had placed orders lor the purchase of this purchasing this aircraft? Is it also a fact that Airbus, cancelled their orders but at that till some time back periodical courses _re time, why the Government of India did not held to familiarise pilots with new develop- cancel the order? It it true that orders for the ments in their field? But this practice was purchase of the Airbus was placed. even discontinUed. I would like to know when before the presentation of the enquiry report these courses were restarted? Who have on the Airbus crash during its test flight. I been found guilty and what is the amount of would like to know why the Government was kickbacks in the Airbus deal? Will the Gov· in such a hurry to place the orders for the ernmentiodge an FIR and carry out further purchase of the Airbus even before the investigations to find out who are the people enquiry repoII came out with the facts as to involved this case? Everyone's finger is whelherthecrash occurred due to the Pilot's pointing altheforrnerPrime Minister. Willthe 587 Disc. te. Accident to I.A MARCH 29, 1990 Airbus A-320 at ~ 588

[$h. Nathu Singh) there will be healthy competition leading 111 beUer, elliclent and much safer air services. Government give an assurance that action These days flight scliedules a, ' not followed will be taken against the person found guilty, in the running 01 air services. The Govern- howsoever high the status enjoyed by the ment says IhlllIhent is a shortage of aircraft person may be? FIRs should be lodged • that is the _, then the Government against those found guihy and strict actiOn should buy montlliraaft.1n the Government should be taken against them. The guilty does buy ain:r8ll, it buys the A-320 Airbus. I person is responsible for the deaths of the haw read the hon. Minister's statementwhich passengers. A case under section 302should which says that the Airbus will not be flown be ragistered against him. A committee until investigation into the accident is com- should be constituted wherein a Member plete and pilots are properly trained to fly this (Technicel) should be included. Such ele- aircraft. I wish the han. Ministerwould repeat ments operate in the purchases and mainte- his statement here also and would throw nance of aircraft and indulge in irregularkies some light on the other causes 01 the acci· in the working 01 Indian Airlines and Air India dent. ••• (Interruptions) The skuation is such that aI the Airbuses and Boeings in the fleet are I once again request that a Parliamen- not in proper working condttion. Pilots act tary Committee should be constituted to go according to their own whims and fancies, into this matter. Wllhthesewords,lconclude sometimes delaying flights and sometimes my speech. I think you for giving me an taking off without checking the weather fore- opportunky to speak. cast. Planes are landing and taking off despite the state of airports being bad. I de- SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Mr. mand the formation of a Parliamentary Chairman, Sir,I took the trouble of coming Committee to go into the working of Indian here inspke of being sick, when I came to Airlines and Air India and the lunctioning of know that hon. Shrimali Geeta Mukherjee dlferent airport in the country. It will also find Who had to initiate this discussion would not out if instruments are available atthe airports be present here. I knew that my lion. col- and proper training lacilkies exist lor the leagues sitting on the at..... side have many pIDts.ltmay alsogointothequestion whether wrong notions. I did not want to give them there were any kickbacks in the purchases 01 any excuse to accusew.QI being hesitant in aira'aft and whether there are adequate inkiating this discussion. Han. Shri Nathu maintenance facilkies for the aircraft. The Singh raised two points in his speech. One committee should identify all these short- point related to the dismantling of Indian comings and suggest corrective measures. Airlines and Air India and handing them over I also demand that these airlines should be to the private sector. I feel that the present handed over to the private sector. In many Govemmenttoo thinks Ukewisa.lleave han. 0Iher countries airlines are managed by the Shri Somnath'sopiniontohim.lwould"to private sector. In our country AirUnes and close this issue by clarifying that the C0n- 18Iep/IoI1 'Nr.E ,e ~arn€ down below the required level a few such purchases are to be "'aoe Ev~ry IT'omant~ before its schedule. Such an im- Gc.vemment has that !>Owe, of deci, ,;)n pres:olon has been given that h was on ac- making. In this context I wouk' like to suhmrt co':nt of the manual handling of system that that the Indian Airlines when it started '~llIally the ..iroraft which would have risen to greater as a public sector instrtuhon started Its op- he.ghts, could not rise justduetosomeorthe eraticms with a fleet of only two aircraits and other reason. A simple man like me has not gradually added more aircrafts te hs Ireel. been able to make out of thesetechnicalhies. The same body has given recommendations h was not the mistake of the Pilot. I am not is the case of A-320 and they were pur· talking of Shri Rajesh Pilot. but the A-320 chased on their recommendation only. "you aircraft. There was a General who might have doubts regarding purchases of the have left you by now. He was that type of aircraft made during the Congress regime. I intellectuals. Who come out with such ar· would like to say that boeings were pur- ticles in the press. He has written about a chased during the Janata regime also and person named Mr. Jung, who was on the for that the same process was adopted. I commhtee. He was in favour of the Boeing would, therefore, like to know from the hon. aircrafts. He had also made a recommenda· Minister whether he finds any difference tion in this regard. but for some unknown between the processes adopted In respect reason. the case was decided in favour of A- of the purchases made in 1977 and 1980? 320. On that point he resigned from the Sir. I would like to submit that certain news committee and tried to give it a different items appearing in the press are based on colour by wrhing an article on h. In regard to the leakage of information by some persons the Ram Das Committee appointed by the and parties who have got their own vested Government, I would like to know whether in interests. For example the Ministry started that committee you had such technically leaking out certain pieces of information competent persons, who could evaluate the such as -FDR, CDR quoting and dequoting. A-320 aircraft to detect its technical fauks I do not have the technical knowledge of all and see that what navigational facilities are these things and whatever I am saying here required on this aircraft? If so, I would like to is based on the level of understanding one urge upon the Government to lay here in this can exp4CI of a layman from the rural area. House the minutes and deliberations 01 the I am a simple man of village and as such I am commhtee. Unless and until you take 1hat speaking of all these technical things in that step, the doubts that have arisen in 1his crude way. The members of pdot guild were regard will not be removed. blaming the industries and the Ministry for the premature indu-=tion of air craft without R was in the press that aircrafls are any preparedness for the same such as the ready for supply from the company. I would construction of air strip. development of like ,0 reqL:e::t the Government to apprise us navigation system. provision of technical of the legal position in this regerd and also 593 Disc. reo Acc:idenllo I.A. CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Aitbus A-320 at Bangalore 594

whether we can cancel the contract wHh that Kurta ... (/nlfmuplions) Even one and hsH a company. A preliminary committee has been year back, when the Congress to which I appointed to examine this issue. I am not myseH belonged as one of its members was asking lor a legal enquiry. However I would in power was the same position because it like to request you to tell us about the delib· was very difficuk for a Congressman to face erations of the Ram Das Committee. the scornful eyes of the people at the airport. The people used to look at us with a lot of I would like to subm~ two more points. hatrad. It is the same condition again today. There was a diSCUSSion on this issue in lok Today also no one can ~ay ... (Interruptions) Sabha on the 30th Novemb.'f, 1988. In his Hari Kishore Babu belongs to Patna. I will reply to that diSCUSSion, the then Minister of -:onsider him very lucky, if he ever reachad Civil Aviation had categorically stated that Patna by air in time ..... an Experts Committee will be appoIOted, to look into the maintenance aspect, that is, airworthiness, limitations and competence AN HON. MEMBER: You have just of the aircraft. The committee will be an stated that you had a feeling of appreciation authority '0 delermine these aspects. On 30 for the party to which you belonged earlier. I November, 19BB ~seij you had stated that rt welcome it. When are you coming to this would be a high level commrttee and all its side? finding would be Implemented into to Even on that day, the Members from both Sides SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE i.e., the ruling party and the Oppos~lon, were (Bolpore): What can you do now? The Anti equally agitated. You are fortunate enough Defection law is already trere in force. that you are not faCing such Members who have infuriated to the point of bitterness but SHRI HARISH RAWAT: In fact, you it was they who had to face a 101 of them wrth should thank us that we had enacted such a enough of brtterness. Inspite of that, they law which has protected the present Gov- had come out with thelf statement In clear ernment, against their debacle, otherwise terms. As at present even on that day Som· after the enactment of that law, the very first nath Dada was koddlng hiS head to ask Shn casuality would have been the National Front Shivraj PatH whether he proposed to imple- Government. Hence, you should thank us ment the findings of the committee IOto to lor this act. which the latter had replied In affirmative. I would like to know whether there are any I was gOing to request you to tell me fintiings of this commrttee and ifso. what are about the steps proposed to be taken by the those findings and whether they have been Government on the recommendations of the implemented. Either you should have said expert committee, you had constituted to that it was a useless committee or you should give their suggestions on the safety stan- have said that the committee had made dards. The most important thing that needs some important recommendations. "so, what mention in this regard is that consequent are thoen recommendations. We should upon the unfortunate incident 01 air crash in know about them. The whole r:ountry IS Ahmedabad, we had been told that the agitated over the performance of Air India Government was eval'Jating the safety stan- and Indian Airlines. However we have words dards and a committee had been constituted of appreciation for Vayudoot, because it has to enquire into it and as soon it submitted its endeavoured to given very good results with report, it would be implemented into and this its limited resources. As regards Air India it House and the people of this country would does not adhere to its schedule and the be kept abreast 01 it. In this context, I would same is true of Indian Airlines. Nearly 4-5 like to know whether any such report has months back there was some improvement been received and, so far as I know about it, in punctuality, but today it has again come to this date your Ministry has not set in the back to its earlier position. Wearing a Khadi process of evaluation of that report. I would 595 Disc. ffI. AccidBnt to I.A. MARCH 29,1990 AitbusA-320at&uvalrh _ [Sh. Harish Rawat] and the management is going on • uauaI.

liketorequestthe Government to let us know Mr. Chairman, Sir, the propos.al of pi- about the main recommendations and ob- lot's training also contained the suggestion servations as contained in that report. for Engineers' training, so that A-320 aircraft could be operated. For that matter, engi- I would also like to draw the attention of neers wanted some more facilities. So a the honorable Minister to the man power tussle continued between them and the planning In 1986 acommittee on ''Civil Avia- management. During elections and even tion By the Turn of this Century" was consti- after elections, you had held out an assur- tuted under the chairmanship of Shri J.R.D. ance that you would find a way out to solve Tata, perhaps the planning commission had their problems but nothing has been done in const.uted that committee which had sub- this regard. As at present, you have come to mitted its report. I would like to request you such a pass that you are running Indian to aIDw and list a discussion on that report in Airlining with a part-time MD. I would like to this House because only that report can request the honourable Minister to take two supply us with the maximum information immediate steps to boost the morale of the regarding your man power planning, safety industry. H you want to prove yourseH to be aspect, runways. their length etc. I would an open Government, the very first thing you request you to get a discussion initiated in should do is to publish all the information you the House because it involves an infructu- have regarding this aircraft. Please take ous expenditure of crores of rupees of this initiative to bring out all the facts that have oountry and it has taken a heavy toll of been hitherto concealed from the people of precious human lives of this country and has this country and aiso to bring to light the rendered an inumerable number of families stages at which mistakes had been commit- helpless who have lost their breadwinners in ted. Don' try to resort to politicking at least in airmishaps. (Interruptions) Hence it is not this matter. the question as to since when it is happening but whenever it is happening, It is unfortu- H you do that in the matter 01 aircraft, it nate and the most unfortunate thing is that will also reflect in the case of human lives. you are trying to look at it from a political Please do not look at all these things from a angle. However. one thing I would like to say political angel but be kind enough to s.ee it as very clearly that for God's sake it should not the head 01 a family, as the head olthe family hlpp8n but there is no guarantee to it that 01 Indian Airlines under the Civil Aviation under a particular regime, there will be no Ministry. Hence the question that concerns accidents. Always keep that thing in your most is as to under whose regime, we had mind before you say anything. Political inter- gone in for that purchase and also which of rupIIons do continue, light sarcastic.remarks our officials and technical experts were are also the part of such discussions, you associated with it. Who had made their may say from your own angle, we may see it contribution from the stage 01 evaluation to from a different angle but the facts cannot be the stage of actual purchase. We halle no falsified. Civil Aviation Ministry has always right to blame all thes.e people. been trying to evade this thing and in Civil -Aviation Ministry there has always been a The second thing I would like to urge COnflict between the technical wing 01 Air upon through you is that W you are bold Indi8'oor Indian Airlines and the staff of the enough, if you have to set up inquiry, to raise Ministry. Your Government is an open Gov- their morale, you should get that inquiry ernment which takes no time to take a deci- done through an organisation to which I have llion. It has proved 80 open that it has. ks referrad and which is known to be the worId'. deniora6sing effect on the employees of highest authority in that field. I am tailing 01 Indian Airlines. Besides that, the conflict Federal Avialioll Authority because you have whlcfI was there between the technical staff cordial relations with that country. By thai 5~ DItJc.".AccidenltoLA CHAIlRA8, 1912 (SAKA)AMfxIsA-320al8angaIore 598

WOld you I don't means you butyourGovem- its public sedor,lIIe Ind'IIIl1 Airlines was due menl. Even O1herwise, you have engaged to cany by using these aircraft. Wh,-this that authority for various non-oHicial investi- happened? Why this Govemment was in a gations. That Is why I would request you to hurry? II appears to all otws thalthe G0vern- get this official enquiry conducted by this ment was in a hurry to inductthese aiIcraft or mganisation. However, whenever you re- acquire these aircralt. At the time of acquisi- ceive its raport, kindly let us know about the lion or aI the time of entering into an agree- I1118Ctposilion in respeclofthis aircraft. Unless ment it appeared to be in a hUrry. Why I say you do that, ~ will continue to aIIect the this is because in 1981-82the Indian Airlnes morale of the people. More aIIected will be Planning Group came to the finding thai the those who have to travel by this aircraft. Indian Airines required many more ain:raft Moreover, other unnecessary misgivings will because the traffIC growth was to the IIIdanI also harm the interests 01 that. I would also of doubling the traltic every five years. So, like you to make it clear as to who has been they rec:ommendled acquisition of of aift:raIt held responsible forthlS recurring heavy loss to take care of 12 percent growth perannum. of aoIeS of rupees. That was in 1981-82. Then a Commill.. was set up. Under Air Marshal Dibagh Sir91to [Engishl evaluale the aircralt then available. The Committee gave its Raport in 1982 or 1983 SHRI AMAL DAnA (DIamond Har- having evaluated four aircraft which _ bour): Sir, a tragic unfortunate accident has then available. These four aircralt _ a taken place and we must appreciate the Fokker-l00, a British Aerospace aira'aIt- endeavours which the youtllful Minister has 124, Boeing-757 and Airbus-31 0 which was taken very energetically Immediately upon under use in Air India allhattirne. Sir, having the accident, not only to see that the people gone into the relative ability of lhese ain:raIt whowerewoundedweregivenmedicaltreal- and having regard to the nalure of traffic, the ment and to do something for the relatIVes of nature of Air Force in India and everything, the dead but also to insthute severallnquir- all the technical requirement, this High ies on the day of the acodent itsel. Powered Committee alter a long dellJera lion chose one aircraft, i.e. Boeying-757 Md One was the appointment of the Inspec- in 1984 this recommendation was made_ tor, that is, an official of the OGCA was the IeHer of intent was issued to BalllllIIl appointed on the 14th itseH, !he day of the 1984itsel. Thereallerthingsdidnat_to accident. Then the Cockpit Voice Recorder move so far as the acquisition aI 8IIIng and DFDR were also received, and DFOR aircraltare coooemed. Things_dIIIIecI was sent abroad for dacoding and the CVA and people were surprised as to ..1MIp was also taken for transcribing. Then the were not moving. And then in 1985 ....' announcement of appointment 01 a court of came from Airbus industJy in respaclallIis inquiry headed by a High Court Judge of aircralt A-320 which was stiI on the dIaIng Kamataka was also made the same day, board; not a single plane had flown III that although it was formalised a little later. And time. As soon as the offer came, it came in, then a technical committee was set up with f WldersIand and I may be correcfed II am 5.5. Ramdass, Air Marshal, headiog it to wrong, to the Prime Ministar diredly Md it evaluale on the stale of preparedness 01 the _ under the instruction oftheGovemrnent lndiailAir6nesforthesafeoperationof A-320. or under the instrudion of the Prime Minister ThIs is, of course, a belated stap. This stap I do not know, the Prima Minister's aIfice should have been taken by the previous ... this offer to the Indian AiItin8s. The gcMImIIIenI before ~ decided to induct these Indian Airlines pmmpdy sat up a technical __ GI India to be run by the Indian AiI- cal for evaluation of this offar of the aiIaaII Ines Md nat having done so, the previous which was stir on the drawing boMI. ThIs 001;81IIIIIII1I can be said to be criminally technicalcal was headed br anollicaralllle negigInI GIllie aaIety of passengers which Indian Airlines, Captain B.K.8hasin. BW. I 599 Disc. reo Accident to I.A. MARCH 29, 1990 Akbus A-32WJ", BangaIote 600 (Sh. Amal Datta) ment, but this is whalthe commlltaa had said and this is what that had prompted the Indian understand again I may be corrected-he was Airlines and the Government 01 IndIB to Flying Instructor of the previous Prime Min- approve the purchase of so many alrcrafts. ister. Similarly, two other such previous Flying But, what happened between 1985 and Instructors of the previous Prime Minister 19891 Boeing was prepared to supply; the were in positions of authority in Indian Air- letter 01 Intent was sent to it in 1984. 1he lines atthattime. One was the Chairman and agl'88lll8lll would have been ent8red into in the other was the Managing Director and the 1985 and the Boeing would have supplied third one Captain BKBhasin was heading the plane in 1986. But, flam 1986 to 1989, this cell. This cell came to a very prompt the traffic will go up and who will cater to it? conclusion that it waS the fittest aircraft for So, a stipulation was made in the agreement India. They did not ask the evaluation in the that the Airbus Industries will supply 12 planes same matter by the Dilbagh Si(lgh Commit- and ff they fail to do so, then there will be a tee. Indian Airlines had the option of sending compensation. In fact, they supplied only it for evaluation to the Dilbagh Singh Com- four planes, two Airbus 300s and two Boeing mittee, but it did not senc. So. Naturally 757s. Out of these, two became non-opera- suspicion had developed as to what was. in tionaJ and atleast one had crashed. The fact, happening. In the year 1985. this proc· Boeing 757 had crashed while laking off ess was started and it ended up i-1 an agree- from the Madras Airport soon after its arrival ment. Then the letter of intent was issued so in India. The other planes were not supplied. far as the Boeing was concerned. The Boe- The other option was to pay the compensa- ing company made a fresh offer in respect of tion which they did. But the compensation another plane which they were bringing out. money was very low, as compared to the rise THat was not accepted. Then the agreement in the air charter prios. That is what was was entered into, the the fateful month of resorted to by the Airbus, as a resun, the March, 1986 _because it was in the same Indian air passengers were to suffer. There month the agreement with Bofors was also were delays and break-down of service concluded. Two Ministries of the Govern- between 1986 and 1989 till these planes ment of India were rushing, competing with were inducted in the Indian Airlines. The each other to finalise agreements in the people who took the decision deliberately te. month of March, 1986. delay the increase of fleet of 'Indian AirUnes, by at least three years, knew very weR that SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): Who how the Indian Airlines passengers would was the then Finance Minister who gave suffer. They made the passengers suffer. clearance? (Interruptions) Possibly, one has to SUSpeclthat they had something to gain any by entering into one SHRI AMAl DAITA: Something more agreement with one company and not any is to come later. (Interruptions) Ithink it is the· agreement with another company. This timethatthe agreement should be laid on the suspicion is further heightened because of Table of the House so that we would know the fact that in 1988, when the first Airbus, A- what exactly had happened. In the agree- 320 came into service for the first time any- ment it was stipulated, I am told, that the where in the world, on June 26, there was a aircraft would be delivered to India between crash in Air Show and tha pilot who was than April, 1989 and June, 1990. The agreement flying the plane was chiefT8BI PiIotof'Airbus was entered into for 19 aircrafts and the Industry. He himself had a crash there. In a agreement had an option clause for 12 more very similar situation, this eras!! In Bangalore alrcrafts. The first of the 19 aircrafts were to took place. He was flying low at a height 01 arrive in India in April, 1989, but the commit- 100 feet or so and he could not take the tee in 1981-82 had said that every five years, Plane up. The incident which took "'-the there must be a doubling of Indian Airlines other day was practically simlai' In nature. fleet. I am not supporting that kind of inyest- FIOIII the tr~ 01 CockpIt Volce Re- 601 Disc. reo Aocidsnt to LA CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Airbus A-320 at BangaIotrI 602 COlder, it is apparent. they were trying to Then what is strange, tWO days allerthe push the plane up all the time and the joy- crash took place in France, a meeting was stick was pushed to the extreme even manu- held in India with the Minister in the Chair to any. The computer also sent out the meso decide on whether we shall go on with option sage forthe plane to fly up but it did not. May- or not, whether we have exercises the option be, there is a system-failure in the plane. or not to purchase the other 12 planes. Otherwise why did the pin in France crash? Although a very junior officer had the cour- That plane in France had a different engine age to bring to the noIiceolthe Chair i.e., the than this one. Minister, that the crash had taken place in France, the facts are not known, an enquiry Now, this story of engine is something has been instituted. Should we not wait for else. We had deliberately decided not only to the report? The answer was 'No". We have go for a plane which would make its first to go ahead because there are instructions appearance or fIrst fhght only one years from above. So, we have to go ahead." So, before its Induction In IndIa but also for the they want ahead and decided to exercise the engine which would be flyIng practICally, for optioh and this option was exercised in the first time anywhere In the world. This September-October, 1989, with the election engine V·2500 was a new engine. They tried just one month away. this experiment on us and we suffered. Our people died. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: An- other Bofors. There are 19 such planes on the world, out of which 15 have been dehvered to IndIa. SHRI AMAl DATTA: Wonderful. Why Out of the remainong four two were delivered did you do that? They had delayed. They to YugoslaVIa and two to Cyprus. They are had, in fact, to option within the stipulated notflying. Planes were made and supplied to tIme. They had delayed it. They thoughtthey those countries but they are not flYIng. might lose in the elections. I insist the prasent Government and the present Ministry to This engIne was beIng developed for try to cancel the order. It is the first thing 10 the first time. It has not been tried in the do, to cancel that option. plane. One day immediately after it was certffied, the engine was fitted into the air· THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND craft. So, the operatIOnal dffflCulties were not MINISTEROF CIVil AVIATION (SHRIARIF tried out. No doubt, the engine was tried out MOHAMMAD KHAN): The option came in a static position but when the engine is put much earlier. in the aeroplane, it may behave in a dffferent wey. SHRI AMAl DATTA: You consult them. What is the justification for going for this as SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: You opposed to the Boeing 757? The first justifi· have finished the aircraft industry in the cation is its fuel efficiency. country. t=urther justffication is that it can land in SHRI AMAl DATTA: When we went shorterunway because it requires a short ahead with the idea of acquisition of the runway. plane after 1988, after the crash took place in France, shouldwe not have been cautious Further are the two justffications. So far about it? Should we not have enquired what as the fuel effICiency is concerned, it de- has gone wrong with the plane with the Chief pends entirely on V-2500 engine.• is un- TeSt Pilot piloting it? Our pilot was not wor- tested engine. It was only a theoretical esti- ried. Our pilot was very sluggish in his own male How did we know thal it was realty fuel behaviourbecausethe agreement was made efficient since it was stiI in the drawing in Maroh, 1988. . board? 603 Disc. re. Accidenl 10 I.A. MARCH 29, 1990 Airbus A..s20 al 8an(IaIofrI 604 SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: It because the computers are there. The was money efficient. computers have to be kept 000l1.I amtolcllhat the APU coils have always given troubles. SHRI AMAl DATTA: Government en- As a result of this, the air-condition did not tered into agreement in March, 1986. This work and as a result of this, the computers engine got the cert~icate in June, 1988 or were not trouble free. It may be a reason as some time in 1988. But did we know at that to why they have been given erratic signals time in 1986 March or even before that? even earlier much before this accident oc- Decision must have based this plane aircraft, then how can you expect that any- and made the payments,they are the one body In thiI world be so foolish as to be who have taken the kickbacks in the deal ~""IIIII?Orh may be that such a and they are the one who will sold it as an ...... ID the radio Dr watch agent, and now they are the ones who are ...... a,.. ... _ina unaware of all delivering speeches in this regard where this ...... bien made in the Indian pll)C9ss will u~imately culminate. T.his has ParIIImInICMr lis technical fauits-as how 609 Disc. reo ADcidsnt to I.A. CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKA) Aitbus A-320 at 8anga1cn 610 'can you expect anybody to be so foolish or come in this country, wish that there should magnanimous purchase this airbus and who be no place for public sector in our country, would say that if we will not be able to arid such people have sneaked into the operate it, we will keep it in oVr godown. Who ad[l1inistration also and are consciously trying will take this burden of India over his head? to malign the public sector so that our people's Who will be such a fool? This is not even like faith in ft could be shattered. This is not the tliat house to which Shri Hari Kishore may question for which there should be any clash shift on the banks of Bagmati riverto keep his among us that this should be taken away cattle, because ft is not suftable for this from the public sector and assigned to the purpose efther. Nobody is going to purchase private sector, instead we should declare it? So talking about ft is sheer nonsense. So war an such elements and find them aut who I again urge that il this can be sold out, sell ft have no commftment to socialism, change out, or return it to the company which has for better and the establishment of a new manufactured ft. Shri Harish Rawat has been order and a new era All those who oppose talking in the language of a village bumpkm to such things, should be eased out of the who says that bump your head 1010 the administration. buffalo, either the enemy Will die, or your head will be broken. In case there was any My last POIOt is that the previous Gov- technical fault in the aircraft, the Govern- ernment has committed many mistakes. They ment must hold responsible all those from had Installed persons of private sector as whom the airbus was purchased, on whose Chairmen of Public sector organisations. recommendations rt was purchased and the We should think both with our mind and members of the Committee who approved heart, i.e. emotions and intellect. H one is a the deal. They should be convicted and the socialist intellectually, and not in heart, one entire amount should be recovered from can't hope that he would lead this country on them by confiscating all the" hause, land, Ihe path 01 socialism. With this much, I property and other assets. The Government conclude. have given compensation to all those who were killed in the accident. There has been SHRI SHIKIHO SEMA (Nagaland): Sir, a loss of crores of rupees as a resu~ 01 thiS will take only a few minutes as other accident including the amount of compensa· Members are also to speak on this subject. tion. There is a saying in our village "Doosare Ke Mathe Par Sab Apna Ghar Banate ham, ~ is very sad that such an accident took Apne mathe per Padta hal tab pata chalata place at Bangalore and many lives were lost. hai.· The airbus worth crores of rupees was I would like to talk about the matters c0n- destroyed)!! the accident. In my view a very nected therewith. The decision to suspend deadly game is being played in our country. Airbus-320 by the Government has particu- Government exchequer is over burdened larly affected the North-East region of our because of payment of compensatIOn m country. There used to be seven flights to such accidents. All this money should be Dimapur in Nagaland in a week. But afterthe recovered from those who are responsible suspension of A-320 Heights these seven for this accident. flights have been reduced to only fourflights. And those flights also depend upon the whims I heve listened to the speech of hon. of the pilots. There is no sufficient air service Shri Nathu Ram. We are SOCialists. So when in our part 01 the country, namely, Nagaland such things are talked about, we become which is the remotest part of the country. I restless. He said that airhnes should be run cannot go and come back from my constitu- by the private sector. This is what Birla. Tata ency. It takes two days for me to go'to and 0Ihef such big caprtalists which. Such Nagaland and two days to come back. J people who heve no faith in socialist philoso- cannot spend four days travailing by air. phy, who have no commitment to it and who Because of this problem, I could not visit my really do not desire that socialism should constituency. The General Secretary of the 611 Disc. reo Accident to I.A MARCH 29, 1990 Ailbus A-320 at 8angaJore 612

ISh. Shikiho Sema) not know how far it is correct. I expect the han. Minister to throw some light on this Janata Dal, an hon. Member of Parliament, aspect. This is not the question of a parIicu- Mr. Subodh Kant, who is assigned totapple lar Government or a particular person. 1lis the Congress (I) Government in Nagaland, is the question olthe airlines. Shri Kukurildeo also could not do his job because of the Narayan Yadav has said thattlie bus moves imlgularity of the flights. So, I would like to on the road. And I say that when _gollyair, know from the hon. Minister, while he reo we depend on the efficiency of the engine, of plies, as to whether he would improve the air the pilots who are controlling the aircraft and _ :ce and give more number of flights to on the efficiency of the persons who are til North-east, particularly to Dimapur of working in the control lower. When the pI_ Nagaland, H not seven, at least five to six takes off or when illands, we depend on all flights. You have suspended the Delhi- these persons. This particular aircraft, which Guwahati evening flight. This is all because is known as fly-by-wire, is supposed 10 be of the suspension of the airbus 320. What is one of the best aircrafls purchased in 1990. going to be the aRernative decision of the We have heard Shri Amal Datta; we have Government if it is going to discontinue the heard Shri Nathu Singh and we have heard airbus 320? People are suffering because of others also. We have also seen various this irregularity. Unwillingly, I have to say that press reports and editorials. I have got a a the Cabinet Minister is sleeping over the few editorials with the head lines as Disaster recommendations of the expert rommittee Area, After the Crash and the third is against on airbus 320. You have not yet taken any the han. Minister, where they have they said decision. The moraleofthe airline services is that it was a hasty and illogical decision 10 very low eversince rts inception in our coun· ground these aircrafls so quickly without try. Lelthis august House know as to what is getting tl:le report of the expert Committee. the aRernative so thai people will not doubt According to the editorial , this was not the services of the airlines. correct.

SHRISONTOSHMOHANDEV(Tripura SHRI ARIF UOHAMMAD KHAN: Which West): Sir, we are discussing today one of paper? the most tragIC air accidem in the history of civil aviation, which happened on 14th March, SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV:MP 1990. The Minister in charge is my good Chronicle ... (Interruptions) friend, Shri ArH Mohammad Khan. I must appreciate the promptness of their action I have to share the views which have ~ke identifying the bodies, etc. with the coop- been expressed by the press. I am net say- eration of the Karnataka Government. And ,ng that the press editorial is right or wrong. today, our Members are criticising the deal This Airbus has been purchased for a few through which the airbus was purchased. crores of rupees and now we are incurring Some people have doubled the bonafide of everyday a loss of Rs. 2.5 crores and for this the recent Government while mak,ng this there are certain pending orders with the purchase. I do not know whether it was a company. The hon. Minister has to take a correct or a wrong decision. I have read in decision today, tomorrow or day after, the Press, which appeared ,n the name of whether this aircraft will be put into operation the han. Minister that an inquiry has been again. And H so, on what considerations? • started? on the purchase of this partICular is not kickbacks, he must be relying on some aircraft. Subsequently, I saw in the debate of expert people. The judicial enquiry is there; the Rajya Sabha that he has denied that he the Ram Das Committee has bean formed. had not said anything like thaI. Today, I I also saw in the newspaper that the Pilots heard from some of my friends that the Association has met you and they haw Government have lodged an FIR against demanded that if you want them to opel'llle certlin persons in this particular deal. I do these aircrafls, you must share with them the 613 Disc. reo Accident to I.A. CHAITRA 8.1912 (SAKA) Airbus A-320 at Bangalore 614 finding of the black box, the voice recorder enced in 1979-80, you will again experience and the other equipment which is known as the same thing in IWIllre. As a Member, I DFDR... (Interruptions) They wanted the would like to know trom the Minister whlllher information to be shared with them. I would he is going to implement the Report of the like to know whether you are going to share Expert Committee after the Inquiry Report that w~h them. comes. Today, you have passed the Com- mission ot Inquiry (Amendment) Bill. So, I I have seen in your speech in the Rajya am sure the Report will come to the House. Sabha you have said that you cannot share Till today we have not received the Report of that information w~h the Members of Parlia- the accident that occurred in Ahmadabad. I ment. I agree, but I would like to know would also like to know whether you will whether you are going to share that particu- submit that report also belore the House. lar information which is available from the black box wnh the pilots. who are supposed Sir. I had the opportunity 01 going by to operate these aircrafts In future. Airbus A-320 one day. H was an afternoon flight from Delhi to Calcutta. After going According to today's newspaper, spe- about half an hour the pilot announced that cial training is being imparted to these pilots because of bad weather in Calcutta, we are who are supposed to run these alrcrafts. I going back. Subsequently, when I landed would like to know how many of these pilots Calcutta in the night by some other flight, I were initially sent in the foreign countries for asked the Airport people as to whether the training, and how many haVing been trained weather in Calcutta was bad. They said that within the country and how many in other the weather was not bad but because 01 countries. Shri Amal Datta has given a figure some technical snag in the airbus, it was saying that Cyprus is utilizing two aircrafts taken back. We are told that in this aircraft and no other country. But according to this the machine is more smarter than man. II is paper clipping, which has been given by the known to be an aircraft of 90s. Sir, can a Parliament Library, there is a news saying developing country like India alford to have that this particular Airbus Company. which is an aircraft which is known as 'Fly by Wire. II a subsidiary of a consortium company of was rightly said by Shri Amal Datta that British, France and West Germany has pro- some countries are utilising air-conditioned cured on order for 520 aircrafts. hangers. While replying in RajyaSabha, you said that it is lor the convenience 01 the crew SHRI AMAL DAnA: Engines. and the engineers. But H I travel by an aircraft, I at least expeclthe comlort of land- SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: I may ing safely. What is being said in the House is be wrong, but that is what I have read. that ~ was wrong purchase. Now, the ques- Newspaper clippings are with me and these tion is, whether the Government 01 India-the talk 01 520. Shri Amal Datta has raised then Government 01 which I was the Minis- another queSlion. The engine which has ter-was justilied in purchasing the aircraft; W been accept~ by the Government of India is not then I would like to know why this propa- an engine which was· on tria! alld during the ganda is there. If ~ was a mistake then what trial period that engine has been bought and action are you going to take because it is is being "sed in the aircrafts in our country. learnt that the evaluation was done by a During the trial period there was no crash. group of technicians and officials. I would There was an air show in Paris and there this like to know under what circumstances they crash had happened. I may be wrong. But were forced to purchase it. As a Member, I this acrimony 01 making Commissions and would like to have a specWic answer from punishing Shri Rajiv Gandhi will go. The you. You can teke as much time as you like previous Janta Government also did the but we will be happy to know the lacts. I same thing and you are also doing it. Hyou would like you to share with us honestly and Jove to do it, you do it but what you experi- sincerely the background under which the 615 Disc. re. Accident 10 I.A MARCH 29, 1990 Ai'bus A-.'i20 at 8angaJote 618

(Sh. Sontosh Mohan Dev) believe in mud-slingingwllhoulany~or reason. purohaH was made. Some people say that it is one of the best aircrafts because of its Mr. Arnsl Datta has taken the nlllMS of handling by computer and various other individuals. h is the duty of the Minister III advanced equipments. I am told that when inform the House, either today or torn_ this aircraft takas off and comes to a cartain or after six months, whether that particular heights from the landing place, i.e. from individual is involved in tt or not. He has to Tarmac, aven then Hyou want to take tt up in inform us. It is because, Mr. Amal Datta has the air, you cannot, h is the computer who will taken the name of Mr. Rajiv Gandhi. We dictate everything. In our country there are would also Hke to know whether Mr. RejlY many airports whose walls are broken; where Gandhi is responsible for iaking such a somatimescowsenter andsometimesJaaps decision. I do not want any answer today also ara parked. We have saan that it hap- because he is already making enquiries. Lat pen in our Airpons. There are mechanics him do it. It is because, he had also worked and other who are not experts, will be some· under Mr. Rajiv Gandhi lor qutte sometime. times present there. I know about an inci- I have full faith in him. dent. When I was travailing by a BoeIng, in Silchar Airport, the whole area was under What about Justice Mathew Commis- _er. The pilot did not know tt. Probably the sion's Report? Today, you have passed a COmmunication was not there. The aircraft Bill. I don' want to make any criticism here. triad to land there but it did not and tt took off H you publish such Reports, tt will give lot of in such a manner that our lives were saved. information to the passengers. Generally the The credit realty goes to the pilot for saving impression olthe passenger is that, when he us. Then, __re diverted to Imphal. Gen- travels, he always feels that he will be sale, erally, in such cases, the pilots should be Hthere is an accident. The passenger who is informed of bad _athers. But for some sitting next to him may die. But there are reason or oIher-probably he might not have passengers who are experts in this line agreed with the Civil Aviation staff-he did not because they might be travailing in the air- land there and __re taken to Imphal. But craft for years together. I have also heard in this aircrall-l have baan told when tt lands, their experience. It is not the case of only A- Itwilf not listen to anybody, but ttwill straigh- 320s. h is a factthat according to our climate, taway land. It will land etther ten years away according to our weather conditions and or ten years behind. I have baan told that tts according to our cyclonic hazards, even the general efficiency is the best when tt reaches airpons in the Metropolitan cities are not certain altitude or certain temperature. In equipped with all the equiprnents thai are certain temperature, it behaves Oke a very necessary. obstinate lady by not behaving quite .well. Because of this, I have baaQ told that the Now, I wnl refer to a news item pub- pibIs are objecting, This is the main cause. lished in a paper in America. In that paper, it So,IeI us know what steps you are taking to is mentioned and I quote" Irain our pilots who are running thasa ai!craft and also the enginee-s vtho are working on • One of the cheapest airlines in the the ground for looking after thasa aircraft? world is the Indian Airlines. You equally get the cheapest service from them.· My friend Mr. Pal is very much inter- asIId to know whether an FIR has baan II this is a fact, then I think the life II .., lodged or not. Even if my name is there, I considered to be the cheapest by the...., don't mind. Because I am one of those Airlines. How many accidents h_OIlCUIIIId? paapIe who believe that if somebody has A man pays a huge amount anilm.1n JIOUI' dona anything wrong what_ any be his aircraft. II you try to fix I'IIIIpCIIIIibI on Mr. poIIIIon he should be punished_ I do not RajivGandhi and Sontosh MahM oW, then 617 Disc. re. At:t:idenllo I.A CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) ABbus A-320 at BangaIore 618 I think, you wiD not be doing justice. It is ground these aircrafls for a further period- because, as a Minister, it is not proper to fix because you have said in the Rajya Sabha a full responsibility on him. An hon. Member that by June, you wiD gat the final findings of has very rightly said that on the very first day this inquiry commission. And I, till then, when you took over as the Minister, you these pilots are nat willing to run these air- started dealing with the Engineers. You also crafts, what steps are you going to take? In made an appeal to them for withdrawing the past, I have seen that some aircrafts their strike which they heard. They withdr_ were leased out by certain countries to India- their strile and started working. In the Cal- namely Boeings. Are you going in for it? Or, cutta airport itwas there. Subsequently, when what arrangements are you going to make? I met the engineers, they said: 'Our Minister We would like to know, because we are is not as good as wethought.' I asked: 'Why? suffering very much for this particular rea- They said: 'We thought he was a Minister: he son. would go by his own conscience. But when the officers briefed him, unfortunately what Lastly, before any further accidents we had desired was not fuHilled. He has occur, I would also like to know what steps again become the vICtim of the officials; you are taking about the Dornier aircrafts. because the officials are with Rajiv Gandhi; The ather day I was travelling from Guwahati or the officials are with Vishwanath Pratap to Lilabari. I am not that much God-fearing; Singh. They have got their own system of but that flight made me remember God and guiding Ministers. We know it as Ministers. Allah all the time, the way the Dornier was They will altimes say: 'Sir, you can do it; but shivering and dancing from Guwahati to you have to raise the price of the ticket'. Lilabari, it gave music, a dancing style wille (/nl8l1l.J)tions) it pounced; and it gave an appetizer to the passengers so well; and it was suffocaling. But the engineers must get their due Since you are looking into this, do nat waitfor share, because there is an ill-feeling bean accident and then decide. you have taken tween the pilots and the engineers. As a some decision about the performance of the result, many a time the victims are the pas· aircralts. you are taking some decision about sengers. They fight with each ather for very A-320. About the Domier aircralt also, eiIher petty reasons. Whenever they fight, it is the it should be replaced, or something should outflow of some dispute in their salanes, In be done about it. (Interruptions) their perquisites and other things. SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: You have grounded Airbus-320. We Should I ground it? expect you to answer during your reply as to how soon the inquiry commission report will SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV; You, come; or the report of the Ramdas Commit- can ground it: but don' ground me. ThaI is tee will come. In between, what are the my only request. arrangements which you are going to make? If you do rIOt go in for these A·320 again, and AN HON. MEMBER: You have alr~ if you continue your air service with the been grounded. present fleet of aircraft, the passengers will suffer. The waiting list is long. The Airbus SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: I am fare, the airfare and the train fare have nat yet grounded. Youweregrounded1here. become more or less the same. So, people The Opposition has gat a part to play, Why would lite totravel inspite olthe fact that your are you so much suffocated when we are _age of waiting and cancellation is 5 here? You wanted to gothere. We wanl to be houl'll or 6 hours every day. I do not blame here for fIVe years. Let us play our role. You you. It is sometimes due to weather. ff one play your role; and lei us play our role. You aircraft is not working, it affects another 100r are supporting this Government. (...... 15. So, kindly Iat us know if you dacide to lions) 619 Disc. IV. Accident to I.A. MARCH 29, 1990 Airbus A-320 at Bangalore 620 ISh. Sontosh Mohan Dev) [ Translation)

Mr. Arnal Datta, please allow us to speak. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR (""em.ptkms) You should encourage us. (Bareilly): Hon'ble Sir, in fact the airbus You are more worried about us. (lnterrup· accident has rocked the entira nation. It was lions) We are not worried. We are ready to necessary to have discussion onthis subject work in the Opposnion. As a constructive in order to get the facts and to take action Opposition, we are going to support the thereon. After listening to this discussion, I amendment 01 the Constnution tomorrow. feel that had ~ been Lord Rama's time, he We will continue to support any good work by would not have been forced to go to forest this Government. So. why are you wortled? and wander with Sitaji for 14 years, as the Do you ",ant to come to an adjustment witn InquirY into the causes itseH would have us? Hso, speak to my leader, and not to me taken 14 years. Even since Dr. Homi Bhaba (lnterrtfJlions) died in a plane crash 25 years ago, there have been quite a few air accident. In spite of AN HON. MEMBER: We do not want to this, nwe say that the accident occured as a make any adjustment wnh you, (Interrup· resuh of failure on our part to take precau- lions) tions, it would be like saying that we fell prey to theft as we did not lock the doors, and then conducting an inquiry into the causes oftheft SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV. Then, IOstead of trying to find out as to why the al righl. doors were not locked, There are a number of technicalities involved in the matter and I have no knowledge about them. I would like So, belore concluding. I request the to ask same questions form the han. Minister hun. Mnistertotell us-the Inquiry Commit- through you on the basis of my knowledge _ Raper! which had been done by Justice which I have gained through newspapers. " whose name I do not know-when will n be the entire matter is investigated. a greater laid onthe Table 01 the House? How long will fraud than that 01 Bofors may come to light. you take 10 lake a decision about Ihe 320 The way the deal was finalised, it is likely that Airbus coming into operation? H it poes nol the inquiry will bring to light certain hidden come into operation. what action are you facts. A deal worth Rs. 2500 crores is by no taking to see that the passengers are not means a small deal and the amount 01 maOe1o SIJflef ent.er by leastng all crall "alTO .:omnliSSIOfl inVOlVeo In R can De -ay 0Iher countries or by buying new, aircrafts guessed. When the deal was finalised, we which are tested aircraft, not air craft 01 knew nothing about enher the aircraft or the confusion. Apart Irom that, what steps ara technical aspects involved. " I am wrong, the you taking to share the inlormation with han. Minister may correct me. It was said regard to that box? The pilots have catagori- that the air-conditioned hanger was neces- caIy told that unless they know the cause of sary for it. But just now an hon. Membar said the accident, they would not run it. I would that it was not so. I may be wrong but the truth also like to know about Ihe news which was must come out. The Tata Committee had leaked out in certain papers especially in the recommended that these planes should not Indian Exprvss ,which is the holy Bible for be purchased. But the Government went many 01 you, saying that the error of the ahead with the deal. In all, 15 planes were to angine was the main reason. Another paper be purchased. This deal was struck under has said that it is not the error 01 the engine; special circumstances because immediately iI is the error of the pilot. So, let us know what before that the deal for 757 Boeing was is the actual error or you tell us that now a cancelled. Therefore, the suspicion is natu- c:anclusive decision has been arrived at, and ral. Wnh a view to clearing the stock of _ can wait for it. Let not the people be sa inferior products, big oompanies lay • pre- much shaky about it. condition that •• Inferior products should but the information __ gIIIIing aIIIObabDughtalong wilhthe superior_. aiR:raft At the tin. 01 finalising the deal for the through ~ show thai there_ pun:haM of these aircraft France had prom- certain irregularities in the deal and the in- ised to supply heavy watarto India I want to tention of the persons irwoIved in this deal kncM whether it was a fact and if so, what was notgood. Had lheirintenfion been good. kind of inquiry has been conducted in this theywould havepun:hasedtheaiR:raftwhich regard and what has been the progress so were already operating in the cot.ntry. The far? Some informalion about it has come acquisition of the new aircraft shows thai through the press, but the than hon. Minister there was someIhing fIShy about the daeI. Shri Shivraj V. Patil had said that though the The newspaper reports and stmemenIs of number 01 the aircralt was 46, the number of some persons show that the persons in- flights being operated was 50 and, naturaHy, volved in the deal have taken commis&ion this caused problems in maintenance. I would and, if it is so, action should betaken against like to mention some points in this connec- them. Just 3-4 days back, a BiI for AnaIcI- tion. In the event of accidents, inquiries must ment in the Cr. P.C. was brought in the be conducted and reports laid before the House and passed.• has empowered the House. If I gun down a person, an FIR would Government to collect evidence and inIor- be lodged against me. I would be prosecuted mationaboutthebribetakenby anyoneflam and may even be hanged. But if such cases the toreign country. Now the Govlllllllalt 01 serious accidents involvmg death 01 as has acquired power,therelore,lwantthalai many as 200 people are hushed up even the irregularities mmmitled by the praviDus aIIer conducting an inquiry, this is a matterol Government should be enquired into and great concern for the country. These days, action should be taken against the 0ffend- this is not important that we should travel by ers. I would also like tD.say that aclIon must air, what is important is that our lives and be taken under section 302 and 120 Bofthe nation's honour should be sale and secure. lPCagainstthepersons foundguilly, wheIhar AI these things are not the products 01 jus! they be the officials or the Minister. In the three months or 100 days. The lion. Minisler present age, aeropta._ have assumed is not expected to correct the situation in no utmost importance and without them _ time.• will take some time tD remedy it. The camot mcwe from one place to ott.r 80 party which has ruled the nation for 40 years quicklr. In order tD ensure a smooth In! must be exposed tor its shortcomings. We regular air service. I would like thai the lion. should punish the guily and not the inn0- Minisler should axlSider aI the suggIISIiIxa cent. Wdhout taking more time, I would like given in the House. During the discussiDn, to submit on behalf 01 my party as well as on one of our coIeagues suggested !hal whJ my personal behaH that clear information on Indian Airlines should not be given to the this subject must be placed before the House Private SectDr. I would like to inform hint ... and appropriate action be taken as per the several programmes of the Govel1llllall_ findings of the report 01 the inquiry. this proving to be a falure because _ ._ report shQuld not be shelved as has been defined them as such. If our Railway uains done in the past. run half an hour or one hour tale, due to the chain puling or any other reason, it does nat SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH (Buxar): meanlhattheemnrailwayshouldbehanded Mr. Chairman, Sir,the accident otAirbus A- over to the Tatas and BirIas, Is there ~ 320 Is an unfllrtunate incident. According to guarantee that by doing so, the situaliofl wiI the information available, the Airbus was definitely improve? No Govemrnint pr0- already ill famed because a similar accident gramme can be implemented like this. On had taken place in France also, but in spite the one hand _ are struggling againIIl 01 thai, Government considered this aircrah capitaism tD bring socialism in the CCIUIIIIy as th8 best aircraft and went ahead W1Ih its and on thealher hand such suggestians_ pun:haM.• Is being said herethatthere was being givwI thai the CJIIIInisaIions .... nDII*Ig WIOIIII in the acquisition of thee GoINImnw1t mechinaIy ._ tIecome ..... 623 Disc. III. ADcidenIIo LA ~ 29, 199O""'_ from RIrjya Sabha 1M Aif>us MI20 at 8angIIIot8 [Sh. Tej Narayan Singh) wantloknowthesanseofthe I:iDI8e, whIIIIa we can continue and r.,ish this subjact. ure should be handed over to the T atas and Birtas•• we do so, ft wiH be a big setback to SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: Mr. socialism and will amount to an encourage- Chairman, how many speakers are there? ment to capitalism. Today about 50 per cant people in our country are living below pav- MR. CHAIRMAN: Savanoreighlspeak- 8Ity line as they do not gat two square meals ars are there. a day. Their number is about 35 erores. If aU the schemes 01 the Govemment are handed SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU over to the T alas and Birtas. I thing the (Balasore): Sir, we can sillata and finish iI number of people reaching the verge of today itself. starvation will increase to 75 percent. Thera- fore, under the present circumstances, this SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: Mr. , suggestion does not seem to be relevant. I Chairman, let the Minister reply at 7.30 PM would demand that stern action should be today. laken against those officials who were behind this deal. Shri Hukumdao Narayan 19.00 hrs. Yadav has rightly said that how can the enquiry be conducted now when they are no SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: This mora in the world. There is a saying in can be takan up tomorroW alter Privata BhojJuri-'Cham ka bar, kuku 'rakhwar' which Members' business. means that if protaclor becomes the destruc- tor, what can be done. I am sure that there SHRISAMARENDRAKUNDU:Tomor- are still soma people who can be entrusted row is Friday. Members wHI go back to thaiI wilt! the enquiry. Much hue and cry was constftuencias. We will finish it in another 30 raised over it. We used to speak against the to 40 minutes. COIJI4:IIion in congress rule. lateran a time _ when some Congressmen started MR. CHAIRMAN: Let us start the dis- speaking against the corruption. They left cussion now. We will sea illater. the Congress and formed another party and now the burden of running the country has fallen and their shoulders. It is good, as has bean said t". one of our colleagues, that today the Ministers and the Prime Minister 19.01 hrs. _our own man but aven then persons like me are compeUed to think that in spfte of our MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SASH" lIIINIItrained support, there is nothing cer- tailulbouttham. Evan than I hopathal a time .. _ when 60 or 70 Members from the [English) CJppOItiDn who criticise the Government win "tit the bancMs where today Shri Vish- SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have W8IIIIh Pratap Singh and other Ministers are to raport the following massages received siting. With th_ wonI& I conclude and from the Secratary-General of Rajya Sabha: denwId !hat starn adIon should be takan ... the guilty persons who are'behind ~) "In accordance with the pIOVisiIIne this deal because many people have lost of sib-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules their ._ in this crash. I am thankful to you of PIacedure and Conduct of Busi- tor giVing me time to speak. nea in the RaWa Sabha, I _ directed to IWIum her8WiIh the AppIo- (~ priI6In (Vole on AccouIt)" 1_ which _ ...... LCIk SIbIIa MIt CHAIRIMN: lis ~ 7 PM. I at Is ... held on the 2IlII MIld!, 625 Disc. 18. At:ddfInt to LA CHAfTRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Aitbus A-320 at Banga/orfI 626 1990, and transmitted to the Rajya advice lor more time to evaluate. In this Sabha lor tis recommendations and case, , do not want to quote from some to state that this House has no remm- relevant papers regarding the views given mendationsto maketothe lokSabha by the Indian Commercial Pilots' Association in regard to the said Bill.' in October, 1988 and also some viewsgiven by the Planning Commission. Simply I read (iiI "In accordance with the provisiolJs out a portion of the views given by the Indian of sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules Commercial Pilots' Association relating to of Procedure and Conduct of Busi- acquisition 01 the aircraft: ness in the Rajya Sabha, I ar,l directed to return herewith the Appro- "We state that the aircraft is neither priation Bill, 1990, which was passed proven nor does Indian Airlines have by the lok Sabha at its sitting held on the infrastructure to maintain them. the 28th March, 1990, and transmit- Even a freak chance of main and ted to the RaJYa Sabha for its recom· back-up computer failure due to dust, mendatlOns and to state that thIS heat, or humidity will end in a disaster House has no recommendatIOns to as the pilot shall have no control make to the Lok Sabha In regard to whatsoever." the said Bill." I think I do not have enough time to explain it but this is exactly what has happened, although I am not an expert. Ther. 19.03 hrs. fore, my point is that these warnings were not heeded to by the earlier Government DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193 while acquiring these aircraft, The Planning Commission, as also another official, were Accident to the Indian Airlines Airbus also reported to have given the view !hat the A-320 at Bangalore Indian Airlines and the country's airports might not be ready to handle the fty-by-wire aircraft in 1988. That being the case, I think [English) it requires a thorough inquiry and I would suggestthat there should be an inquiry under SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): I Will the Commissions 01 Inquiry Act, in order to not take much time of the House because go through the entire process of the acquisi- much of the ground has already been cov- tion of these aircraft. ered by the speakers who have taken part earlier to me. The main point is the sordid I would only like to refer to a f_ points. story of the acqUISitIOn o'these aircraft. My One is, for how long will these aircraft remain esteemed colleague. Shri Amal Dalla, has grounded. or do you not like to allow t"- already described exhaustively the back· aircraft to fly again? As has already been ground andother'actors which have weighed mentioned, the pilots have already decided on the choice of A·320 aircraft. not to fly !he planes till the report of !he inquiry is available. I want the Minister's If _ make a brie, appraisal 01 what has reaction to this aspect of the decision of !he already been said inthe House regarding the pilots. acquisition. lour relevant points emerge. One, the previous Government pushed through There is a demand, and I also share thai the deal wfth undue haste. Semnd, the view, that the agreement should be can- previous Govemment ignored the other ceRed. Today's Press reports have said thai options as _U as warning stgnals about the the terms and conditions of the agreements inad8quacyof ground s"bpport system. Third, are heavily loaded in favour of the manufac- !he previous Government brushed aside the turing industry. One of the c:ordions is Ihat 627 Disc.1fI. Aa:ident1D1A IWUlCH 29, 1990 Aitbus A-320 at BangaIote 628 (Sh. Chlta BasuJ there we.. some management problems. The pilots were not 1Iappy, the ground staff the order can be revoked only on the ground was not happy, the unions we.. not happv. that t'_' planes era not airworthy and this (/ntem.f1tions) Still there are problem. It is airworthiness or otherwise should be ad- only two days back I was in the IndiraGandhi judged by Franch Court and not by a court 01 Airport. One aircraft came from Bombay to ..alher country. Any dher court may not Delhi and • was an Airbus. At least mo.. than talee • view that leads to the cancellation 01 two dozens of passengers could not get their the c:onIract or the agreement. In this situ- luggage. When an inquiry was made, I also ation, ....thaltheenlireagraement should went along ~h these people, it was said that be placed before the House so that we can when the passengers were checked in, they really understand whether !his agreement had not identified their luggage. But a num- whichwas entered intowas very much heavily ber of passengers were ~h me. They said loaded in favour of the Airbus. I think we that in Bombay there is no custom of identi- should galher enough courage-and I think lication. In the checking place ~If it is we have--that this Airbus Industnes is re- ide'ltifi8d. That is what they said. Anyhow, ported to have enjoyed heavy pol~ical clouts more than two dozens of passengers could from many countries, like West Germany. not get their luggage. There is something United K;ngdom. Spam. Italy. etc. who li- wrong, there is something fishy about the nance this manuladuring industry. There- entire system. I am not accusing anybody, lore, I think we would collect enough cour- there is improvement. but still there is some- age to take a decision by which we can thing fishy about the entire arrangement. So, cancel the agreement which is very much whether • is the problem of the ground heavily loaded in favour 01 the company. engineers or w~h the pilot. well. that also was a cause lor the human lailure. That also has PROF. K. V. THOMAS (Emakulam): Sir, to be looked into. the Airbus 320 crash at Bangalore raises the following points lor our consideration. One is Sir. coming to the mechanical lailure whether there was a human lailure. The aspect, when we purchased Airbus-320, it second is whether there was a mechanical was said that this particular aircraft was the failure. The examination of the Voice Re- civil aviation wonder of the 19th century. It is corder as weD as the Black Box will give a said that h can be the besl aircraft that can be definite indication whethertherewas a human used in the civil aviation sector. It has gotfive failure. Now the Government has already a computers. This aircraft is running on what report regarding the examination 01 the Voice they call11y by wire' system. Attha same Recorder and the Black Box. So, his 1911 to time, some flaws in the system were pointed the Government whether this report should out. One was thai when the pilot gives in- be ptmIished and suitable action would be struction to the computer, the computer taken. immediately receives the instruction, but when the computer gives the command to When we look at the human failure. the aircraft about six to seven seconds era there was a report In the newspapers even taken lor the aircraft to receive this com- beIore the accident that the pilot and the mand and implement. This is Iound to be a engineer who were managing the Airbus A- very serious error; whether there is an error 320 were not adequately trained. Even a or not is also to be found out. Very 011811, gRlUpol pilots and engineers who were sent inside this House and outside, a eotnpMIIan abIDad did not have the adequate training has been made of the Boeing aircraft and the that_as needed. Sir, this is a question which Airbus aircraft. This is also to be looked Into. 1he Government has to go into. We have to look Into the conditions 01 the Boeing company and also of the Airbus Another· point is, lor the last 6 to 7 company. The political atmosphere 01 the months in the Indian Airlines management COW1bY when we pun:hased the ain:raIIt Is 629 Disc. reo Accidenllo I.A CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKAl Airbus A-320 at 8anga/orfI 630 also to be looked into. At that time, for our and was ~ not pointed out in the DfDR atomic reactors we have been requesting analysis report that something was wrong Un~ed States of America to supply heavy w~h the manufacturing French company? water. Then, the United States of America When the Government had such informa- made SO"le cond~ions that they have to tion, why was this airbus purchased which inspect our Installations which we did not claimed so many lives? The security ofhunal agree. h was France which gave heavy lives is more important than pressing such water without any condition. So, the entire dangerous aircraft into service. Therefore. I picture has to be looked into. If something would like to know whether this matter has had gone wrong, if something had gone been enquired into or not. The French c0m- underground, that also has to be looked into. pany says that their cooperation has not I am not telling that somebody should be been taken for the study of DFDR and in- saved, but In all these things, there should stead ~ was sent to Canada for analysis. not be any attempt to give political colour to It. Here, In this House, we are a recognised I regretthat so many people were killed Opposition and we have been funct1oo1ng as In thiS acclderrt. Therefore, Government a creative OppoSItion Whatever genuine should see that such accidents do not recur problems you are taking up, we are here to m future because Innocent people are killed support you; we are not here to Just oppose In aCCidents and frequent accident bring bad you. In thiS case also, what I suggest IS. name to the country and the Government. please do not give a polrtlcal colour. 11 some· thing has gone wrong somewhere. find It out PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT (Ajmer): if somebody IS respenslbie for any mischief, Mr Chairman. Sir, first of alii would praytor punish them. We are not against It. but do peace for the departed souls of those killed not give any political colour to the entire In the aCCident and alSo pray that such picture. aCCident may not recur In future. One thing I would definitely say tha1. [Trans/atlon] Na surar buri hai, na sirat bur; hai, SHRI YUVRAJ (Katlhar)' Mr Chair' bura wahl hal jlskl niyat buri hai man, Sir. the aCCident of Indian Airlines Airbus·320 IS a tragic one In which 93 people h seems the there was definitely something were killed and another 60·70 were sen· wrong wrth the Intention of the previous ously injured. occurence of such aCCidents Government and their representatives who has become qUite frequent ThiS Airbus was were behind thiS deal and their misdeed much appreciated saYing that Its operation have led such consequences. Perhapsthase during fl19ht was good but It seems from the alrcrafts were purchased for the sake of accident that rts engine was defective When commiSSion and now the present admini- ~ was coming downward and was at the stration and the Government are suffering height of 150 feet, Its engine gave a signal for for It. I am reminded of a couplet from taking it upward but It failed to gain height Manusmntl. and, as has been said by the han Member, w~hin seven seconds, it touched the ground "Apujya yatra pujynte, pujyanam IU and one of its engines got separated from It vyatikramh, Trinm tatra vattante, and CVR and DFDR stopped functioning. durbhiksh, marnam, bhayam.

The Airbus has many computers and It seems that all its functioning was controlled tt means that In a country where disre- by the computers. I would like to know whether spected people are respected and respec:tad this Airbus-320 had the flying capacity? Were people are disrespected, three calamities- the Government not aware that this airbus famine, untimely deaths and reign of met with a similar accident in Paris in 1988 terror-prevail there. 631 Disc. reo Accident to I.A MARCH 29, 1990 Aitbus A-320 at BangaIore 632

[prof. Rasa Singh Rawat) Wilde Hain Kahan jane ke Bye, p~ hain kahan maloom fISh;n, All these things were very much there In Rah main Bhatakne Wabn ko ManziI Ira during Rajiv Gandhi's regime and now we nishan maloom nah;n". are facing the consequences of those misdeeds. The king commits the sin and sub- That is why they entered into such WIOng jects have to face the consequences. deals and now we are facing the conse- Similarly,the present Government which have quences. just come to power has to face the misdeeds of the previous Government. The defective I would like to thank the han. Ministerfor deals were struck by the previous Govern- having ordered an inquiry into it and making ment and their adverse consequences are arrangements for cbmpensation to the next being faced by the present Government for of kin of the deceased and the injured. which the previous Government is fully responsible. I am gratefulto you, Sir, forgiving me an opportunity to speak.

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to say SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV that all the defective deals struck by the (Saharsa): Sir, we are expressing our con- previous Government should be enquired cern overthe Airbus accident. Whenever we into and those !ound guilty should not be board a plane, we are never sure whetherwe spared even ~ they are influential people. would come alive or nol. Mr. Chairman, Sir, Earlier. Bofors issue came to light. It was ff we have faith in God, nothing can happen. related to army, then came the submarine I would like to recall an incident that once deal and now the airbus deal. Therefore, some snag developed in the engine of the stern action should be taken against those plane in which Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru was people who were involved in such corrup- travelling. He maintained his cool without tion. being the least worried and ultimately the Pilot succeeded in overcoming the defect. In 1977, the then Prime Minister Shri Morarji Mr. Chairman, Sir, the committee of the Desai also escaped unhurt in a plane acci· Technicians which has been set up, should dent. As soon as the plane crashed to the be instructed to suggest some precautionary ground, he came out of it. Whenever man measures to avoid the recurrance of such loses faith in God such accidents definitely accidents. If the Airbus 320 is defective. it take place. should immediately be replaced by some other plane of good quality irrespective of the Mr. Chairman, Sir, regardingAirbus320, expenditure involved in it. To cope up with I would say that I am neither an expert nor an the growing need to provide relief to the engineer nor do I have much knowledge people and for passenger's amenities and about it but it appears from the press reports safety, and used of defective aircrafts should that there were certainly some serious de- be banned, so that the recurrance, of such fects in the Airbus. It has also been men- accident could be avoided. tioned that instead of big wheel and shocker, small wheel and shocker were used in this aircraft. Is there any truth in these things or I would like to say one thing about the not? I would submit to the han. Minister that preVious Government. II appears that they the pilots who were operating it should be ware not following any policy but all decision held responsible for the accident. _e. taken by them in haste: but haste makes waste. All decisions were taken by Secondly, Mr. Chairman, Sir, Shri one man. The foJlowing couplet optIy de- Hukurndeoji also said that it is not known 8CIibes their pligfit- whether there was any defect in the engine. 633 Disc. /fl. Accident to I.A. CHAITRA 8,1912 (SAKAI Ailbus A-320 at Bangalore 634

• has been my experience as member of the inquiry the whole matter would come to light Bihar Legislative Assembly for 15 years and and after the report comes out from the nowhere in the Parliament that the reports of judicial Commission headed by the High such enquiry committees are never subm~ Court Judge, things would become clear. ted to anyone. It is a conspiracy to mislead Regarding the charges of corruption or kick- the people of the country. Therefore, I would backs these are connected w~h the effi- like to the country. Therefore, I would like to ciency of the Airbus which was bought. Utti- subm~ to the ~vernment that ~ an enquiry mately, it had met with an accident. The committee has been set up, the Government reason for one part of the accident is techni- should get detailed information from the cal flaw and the other part is about the experts B"d in~iate necessary action on the charges of kickbacks connected with the basis of the report. purchase of Airbus. It might have led the Government to go in for an inferior aircraft. I Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to give would just like to know the details in this some suggestions. I had not boarded the regard. I was gOIng through the hon. Minis- plane till the age often. I know drivIng and it ter's speech in the Rajya Sabha. He has very is lact that if a short tempered person or a fairly and frankly replied there. Ithank him lor patient of blood pressure drives vehicles like that purpose. I would like to know as to what Bus, truck, jeep or car, he will definitely meet had actually happened during October 1984, an accident. Technical defect is a different 85 and until March 1986. I think during these thing but the short tempered persons and periods a letter of intent was given and blood pressure patients should not be al- subsequently it was changed and another lowed to drive vehicles. I do notknowwhether order was pushed through. It was done not there is any such cond~ion for the pilots but by a High-powered Technical Committee I would say that there must be a fixed term for but by some sort of private arrangements in the pilot and during that period if he suffers which persons like Mr. Bhasin, Mr. Kapoor from any such disease he should be retired and Mr. Chadha were there. I would like to and if Government wants, compensation know from the hon. M,nister whether Shri should be paid to him. I do not want to say Satish Sharma and Shri Lalit Suri had played anything more about it. The hon. Minister any role in this deal. I do not want to repeat should think over it seriously. Generally such those things. Detailed facts had already been diseases are the root cause of accidents. I stated here. In particular my hon. friend Shri would thank the hon. Chairman for giving me Amal Datta gave the details which has re- time to speak in spite of the fact that I am not lieved my burden. He has mentioned about an expert in the subject. the air-crash which took place intheairshow abroad. Afterthe accident, alltheotherbuyers [English] have left the dial. The engine was defective. Further, when the order was going to be SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU placed, engine was on the drawing board (Balasore): Mr. Chairman. Sir. I know what which raised the doubt that it was not pr0p- agony I am causing to my friends, to yourseH erly tried. Even some people say that this and also to the staff and the Press people in aircraft had not gone through the trial by the making a sp

MR. CHAIRMAN: That need not neces- MR. CHAIRMAN: I have told him tIqIf f sarily be quoted. there is any allegation, that wi. not go on record because generally we do nat take the SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: Sir, name of a Member of the other House. there is a tendency tothrowthe blame on the officials only. I think, a probe must be con- (Interruptions) ducted to see nthere is an unseen hand of polHicians, followers or friends of polfticians SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: I am or MPs or of the Minister or the then Prime not making any allegation. (Interruptions) Minister or the officials regarding this amount of Rs. 2,500 crores. People will say that an SHRIJANARDHANAPOOJARY: Butit amount of Rs. 125 crores has been paid as you go one step further, we should not take kickbacks. ThiS is one of the scandals that the name of a person belonging to the other has bee rocking. I think, ft is no less than the House. It is the convention. (/nterrLfRI~S) Bofors one because an accident has occured where the life of the people was in- SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: Can I. volved. We win not get back the Ine of 90 not say that Mr. Satish Sharma's brother has people. I think, they were like my brothers, erected a temple in Los Angeles? Therefore, my father, my wne, my sisters who were in I am asking the Minister to find oul Whether that plane. Kindly remember what will hap- the brother of Captain Satish Shanna has pen to those who are involved in the accident built a five star hotel in Los Ang .... a.ting due to lust or some ulterior motive, you buy fifty million dollars. defective machine. Idonotknow, what crime, the people who boarded that plane, had MR. CHAIRMAN: How is it connecl8d to committed? What punishment would the this accident? buyers will get. We have been told about so many thing about Captain Satish Sharma as a pilot. I am told that his brother has buitt a five star hotel in LOll Angeles. (Interruptions) SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: It is an allegation. If you have got the allegation, MR. CHAIRMAN: Please do not put an let there be a motion for that. 00 not do like allegation. this. You are making an allegation indirectly. (Interruptions) SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: I am not putting any allegation. SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU: I would like to conclude ... (Interruptions) Mr. Poojary MR. CHAIRMAN: You need not unnec- was the Minister. The way Mr. Poojary is essarily drag his name. He is a Member of behaving, there is a saying in Oriya that a Rajya Sabha. mother gets frightened when she sees a rope in the road nthe son has been bitten by a snake. It is just like this. They are afraid of the shadow. When I say something. (inter- SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY ruptions) (Mangalore): I am on a point of order. The han. Member in his ~peech is referring to a SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: If Member of the other House. (Interruptions) there is an allegation, come out with a motion. Nobody is preventing you. You follow MR. CHAIRMAN: I have already in- the procedure. (Interruptions) formed him. SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNOU: As I SHRf JANARDHANA POOJARY: Bul said, I would like this suspicion, this scandal- in spite of that he is telling H. ous thing where a great fraud has been 637 DItIt:. (fl. kdtIenrro I.A CHAllRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Aifbus A-320 at 8angaIors 638 committed, should be inquired into by a ising the deal was put to me, my standard parliamentary committee. The Minister, h reply would be that, at the moment my prior- the Rajya Sabha, had gone qu~e far on ~y is to improve the air services and to reconl. He had admitted many basic things. enforce very strictly the safety standards in I would Ike the Minister to concede to our airlines. As far as the irregul~ aspect is request for a parliamentary probe to enquire concerned, that can be inquired into, that into the whole thin!). can be investigated at a later stage. But, at the moment, I am not going to address THE _IS"fI:R OF ENERGV AND myseH to that question and this is what I said MINISTEROF ClVILAVIATION (SHRI ARIF in Rajya Sabha also. While replying to some MOHAMMAD KHAN): Sir, First of alii would of the questions in both the Houses, I have like to tliank the han. Members who have said earlier that Government has taken note participated in the discussion: Sarvashri of the stories 01 the allegations which have Nathu Singh, Harish Rawat, Amal Datta, been made. The proposal to review the deal Hukumdeo Narayan Vadav, Shikiho Sema. is under the consideration 01 the Govern- Sontosh Mohan DevoSantosh KumarGang· ment During the lasttwoorthree weeks, this war, Tej Narayan Singh, Chitta Basu, Prol. question had come two or three times in this K.VThomas, Prof. Rasa Singh Rawat, Vuvraj, House, not as Starred Questions, but as Surya Narayan Vadav and Samarendra Unstarred Questions. It was reported by the Kundu. Press very widely and this is what I had said: Since I would further like to reiterate that as Sir, there may be some differences of far as Civil Aviation Ministry is concerned, opining here and there, but generally, I found our basic responsibil~ is to provide efficient unanim~ on the strict enforcement of safety air services to enforce safety standards in standards in the Indian Airlines, The hon. the Airlines. Yes, we received complaints. Members have expressed their concern over We took note of the allegations which were the deterioration and some other disturbing made In the Press. We have taken note 01 trends which have been noticed. The acci- the points which have been made by the dent 01 one aircraft on 14th February has Members and then Civil Aviation Ministry caused concern all overthe country; more so decided to refer this matter to investigation to the Members of this august House. It IS agencies. That's why every time I was reply- natural that we should feel concerned. But ing that this proposal to review the deal is steps are being taken to ensure the enforce· under investigation of the Government. ment of safety standards in the Indian Air- lines. Bolors I come to that, since this point has been raised by hon. Members, I would Firstly I would like to dealw~h the points like to give some details. Indian Airlines had, which have been made almost by all the hon. during 1983-84, carried out studies for aug- Members and then I win come to the points mentation of its fleet lor the period ending which han. Members have made Individu- 1990-91. The studies had evaluated differ- ally. About the irregularHles having been enttypes 01 aircraft then available. The Board committed in the deal. many new stories of Indian Airlines appointed on the 22nd 01 have also appeared. Members have made August, 1983 a Committeewhich was headed this point also. Shri Sontosh Mohan pev by Air Chief Marshal Dilbag Singh. He _ particularly referred to my statement made also a member 01 the Board. The Seer..., in Rajya Sabha. The point-which I made and of the Civil Aviation Ministry was also a which I would like to repeat here - is that after Member of the Board. A committee consist- the accident on 14th February, I have sev- ing of these people was appointed by the eral times made ~ clear that my prior~ is to Board. It recommended on the 22ndof May, ensure safety standards to improve the air 1984, induction of Boeing 757 aircraft into services. Whenever the question about the the fleet of Indian Aillines. This was a'" Irregularities having been committed in final- committee 01 the Board which consislld." 639 Disc. 1'9. Accid6ll110 I.A MARCH 29. 1990 Airbus A-320 at 8angaJore 640 ISh. ArH Mohammad Khan] purchased and that the Indian Airlines must accept the offer. very eminent person who had knowledge of the subject. AN HaN. MEMBER: Who is he? Nama that one person. The recommendations 01 the comm~ tee were considered by the Board of Direc- SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: I have tors of Indian Airlines on 13th June 1984. made this point but I would like to tell the hon. The Indian Airlines management was au- Members that I have already admitted that thorised by the Board to acquire 12 Boeing we have made a reference to the investigal- 757 aircraft after obtaining approval of the ing agencies because we took note 01 the Go~ .nment. Indian Airlines, with the ap- complaints which were made to the Govern- pre ..l of the Government, placed a letter of ment. We referred the matter to the investi- intent on the BoeIng company on the 24th of gating agencies and the investigating agen- July. 1984forthepurchaseof12Boeong 757 cies have already filed on FIR today in the aircraft. morning. But Sir, I would request the han. Members through you, that the airworth- After this sui:H::ommottee of the Board, oness of the aircraft and the irregularities, they made evaluatIOn. On the or recommen- which have been committed while conclud- dation. the Board took the decoslon. Then. ing the deal, are matters which are inde- after approval of the Government, the Board 'pendent of each other. This opIion is not placed a letter of intent on the Boeing com- more. This is the other part to buy 12 air- pany for supply of 12 Boeing 757 aircraft on crafts. That was option at the first stage. It 24th July, 1984. Now, while the proposal of became a firm order almost within a year. Indian Airlines for formIng up the acquisition The question 01 airworthiness and irregulari- of 12 Boeing 757 aorcraft was still under ties should not be linked with each other. I consideration, an unsolicited proposal was am in no position to give my judgement or received by the Government in October, opinion on the air-worthiness of the aircraft. 1984 from Airbus Industrie, France for Air- What I am saying is thai certain aspects of bus A-320 aircraft. As the point has been the deal were noticed by the Government made by hon. Members, it is true that at the and becauseolthem, the Government made time this proposal came, the engine was still a reference, the Ministry of Civil Aviation on the drawing board. Even the prototype of made a reference to the investigating agen- the engine was not available. Then, the cies. And the investigating agencies have Indian Airlines was asked by the Govern- already taken note of them. As I have said ment to evaluate the proposal. Unlike the earlier. they have already filed an FIR today earlier case, where a sui:H::omm~tee of the in the morning. Board was constituted to evaluate various types 01 aorcraft, in this case, the Indian AN HaN. MEMBER: Against whom? Airlines created a sole unWs organosation to evaluate this unsolicited offer. The most SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: You intriguing part of the whole thing is that even will come to know the details. Why do you this cell, which evaluated the unsolicited want me to repeat everything? The point otter, wa~ not a formal arrangement. This which I was making earlier was that this was an informal arrangement. This cell evalualion was carried out by a cell 01 the consisted of only one person. There was no Indian Airlines which was eraated purely on other member. There was no other assis· an informal basis, a cell consisting of one tant. Th'at one-man cell was create on an person. The reasons which were givan by informal basis and that cell evaluated the that evaluation were that it has molll fuel unsolic~ offer and came to the conclusion efficiency. it will increase fund generation. " that this proposal about an aircraft whose has a futuristic design. no additional invest- IIflgine is still on the drawing board must be ment in air field infrastructulll and greater 641 Disc. reo Accident to I.A CHAIlRA8, 1912 (SAKA) Airbus A-32Gat Sangalore 642 passengercomfort ••. (Interruptions) He must 170 per cent to 25 per cent alter this unfortu- be an employee of the Indian Airlines. nate tragedy near Bangalore. Even before that, and particularly after this tragedy, I went SHAI SAMAAENDAA KUNDU: Some- to my colleagues again and again and I said time later, we will ask the Minister to lay a that with the existing arrangements at the copy of the FIA on the Table of the House. airports, it was not really very safe to oper- ( interruptions) arate the aircrafts; we would need to upgrade, and modernize the airports_ And the SHAI AAIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: I do Finance Minister was kind enough to agree not think that the FIA is a secret document. to reduce this duty from 170 per cent to 25 Anybody can get it from the Board. But nyou per cent. Now possibly, it will become more will ask me to lay it one the Table of the easier for civil aviation agencies to go for House. with the permission of the Chair. I upgradation of the airports in a big way, can do so later on. So, on the basis of the because by reducing this duty the burden ref10rt of that one-man evaluatIOn commit- which otherwise would have been there has tee, the Indian Airlines has stated that it has been lessened to a larger extent. selected eight A-320 air-buses litted with V-2500 engines because they incorporate Busically. I am trying to cover only those improved technology and fuel efficiency 01 points which have been made my almost all six to seven percent above the other engine. the hon. Members. The other point which apartfromthe fact that the maxImum permIs- was touched by many hon. Members was sible range of aircraft litted wrth V-2500 about the training of the pilots. But before I engine will be longer and so on. Several come to that, there IS one other point, which arguments were given like these. Why I am almost everybody has mentioned and that is making this point is that hon. Members have the need for airconditioned hangers. Though complained and have nghtly spoken about it was reported in the press, but it is not the lack ollacilities on the ground. In fact, I correct at all. In fact, airconditioned hangers have said so In my statement also and I have are not needed for the aircrafts. I have been admitted it publicly. We took a decision to told that wherever airconditioned hangers invest As. 2500 crores for acquiring new have been buih outside India, those are not aircrafts. But what really surprises me is that for the aircralts, but for the convenience of while we took a decision of spendIng As. the staff working there. 2500 crores on buying new aircrafts, we were not spending any amount for upgrad- As far as the aircraft is concerned, the ing and modernising the airports. Now. when aircraft is fit to fly at ground temperature of I went through these reports. I came to know minus forty degrees centigrade to fffty de- that one of the reason. rather justffication, grees centigrade puis, To take into account which W"dS given for buying these aircrafts, the hightemperature in India. additional Freon was that we would not need to make any cooling has been provided for the comput- investment on the airports. H surprises me ers. The computers are protected against that this plane of a futuristic design, twenty- dust from the airfields. first century plane, will be able to operate on the eighteenth century airports. I have said SHAI AMAl DATTA: There is auxiliary publicly, that this is a mismatch and it will be power unit to run the airconditioning, when it our effort that this discrepancy, this anomaly is on the ground, for the computers. and this mismatch is removed. SHAI AAIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: In fact, I would like to mention, if I would not like to go into the details, but if the remember correctly, that the import duty on hon. Member wants, I would send this infor- navigalional instruments was more than 170 mation to him. per cent or something like that, and in this year's Budget, that has been reduced lrom But the point I am trying to make is that 643 Disc. reo Accident to I.A. MARCH 29, 1990 Airbus A-320 at Bllngalonl 844 ISh. ArH Mohammad Khan) dards. They had gone into. limited question, i.e. of preparedness of the Indian Airlines. the airconditioned hangers are not needed Basically, that work relates to Diractorale for the aeroplanes. General of Civil Aviation, the Report of the Ram Das Committee has baan given to the One point which has been touched by DGCA. In normal course, it is they who all the Members is about the training of the prescribe the training standards and other pilots and engineers. I would like to say that related matters. They will take into consid- our pilots are highly skilled and professional eration the recommendations of the Ram people and their calibre and proficiency are Das Committee. But the Ram Das Commit- comparable to the best in the world. tee Report has nothing to do with the safely standards and other aspects other than those 20.00 hrs. are related to the preparedness of Indian Airlines to operate these flights. In fact many foreign airlines are only too keen to draw away our pilots to their fleets. Another point which was made by the Therefore, I would not like to give much hon. Member was whether the DFDR and credence to some of these reports which eVR, which two together is called black box. have appeared about lack of training etc.• In were read out and whether these two gadg- fact 105 pilots were trained in Toulouse and ets were made available to the Commercial so far. pilots have not been trained in India Pilots Association. After the crash in Banga- because we do not have the simulator facil· lore. we came to know that the facility for ity. This simulator has been imported. n is decoding DFDR is not available in India. going to be installed at Hyderabad and after There itself we took a decision that we shall it is installed, then this facility will be avail- not send these gadgets to the country where able. Then, we will start giving training to our the Airbus has been manufactured, we shall pilots in India itseH. sent it to some other country. nis nolthat we had any doubt about anybody's integrity, but Further, I want to mention about train- we only wanted to be more careful. There ing. Our pilots have undergone the pre- was no question of doubting anybody. We scribed training for flying A-320 aircraft. I wanted to exercise abundant caution and would like to assure you that there need not that we did. be any slightest doubt about their ability to fly A-320 aircraft safely even in the normal One hon. Member has made a pointthat course. Our A-320 pilots undergo. Refresher Airbus industry was very upset that they Training every six months as against the have not been associated with the decoding normal one year for other aircraft. Therr work. I do not know whether they are upset training programme is monitored by the Indian or not. But basically since this was an acci- Airlines as well as by DGCA. There training dent which resuRed in destruction of the will be updated and strengthened in the light Airbus, and loss of more than 90 precious olthe experience gained in flying an aircraft. lives we wanted to be very careful. On that very day, t announced in Bangalore, ap- One point has been made about the pointment of a Court of Inquiry, headed by a Ram Das Committee. Ram Das Committee sitting Judge of the Karnataka High Court was constituted. The scope of the Commit- which we formalised two days later. We feR tee was very limited. They had gone into the concerned, and rightly so; and we are very question of preparedness of Indian Airlines keen that this court of inquiry established the to operate this fly by wire machine. this cause olthe accident. DFDR and CBR Brthe futuristic design. The regulatory authority as most crucial evidence which will be helpful in far as the airlines are concerned in DGCA. estabfishing the cause of the accident. Ram Das Commiltae has not gone into the Whataverdecisionswe have taken, _ have quastion of airworthiness orthe safety stan- taken so that we can come to a conclusion. 645 Disc. re. Accidtmllo I.A. CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKA) Airbus A-320 at Banga/or9 646 N some corrective steps are needed to be pilots. The members of the Pilots' Associa- taken on some future date, then we can take tion told me that it was natural that they those corrective actions which can be help- should feel concerned, and they should know ful in enforcing safety measures in the Indian the cause of th, aa:ident. I said then we Airlines and other Airlines of India. After this, would not wait till the court of inquiry gives its we got the read-out of the DFDR and CBR. report by the end of May, if I remember This Airbus industry and the French authori- correctly. Then the pilots said: 'N the read- ties approached us; and their point was that out which gas been made available to the this read-out of DFDR and CBR with a read- Airbus industry and the French Civil Aviation out of the black box should also be made authorities for safety considerations, if that available to them. Their argument was that read-out is made available to the Commer- since they were the manufacturers, and they cial Pilots' Association also, then they will have supplied this Airbus to some other study the read-out and they may also come Airlines also, they want this read-out to be to some conclusions. We saw merit in what w~h them, so that t~,ey can study it; and for they were saying, because if for safety con- saletyconsiderations, they need togive some siderations we are shanng tms IfllUI mation advice to those Airlines who are operating with the Airbus indust!}' and this, in turn, these aircrafts; then they can give this ad- becomes available to the pilots of other vice. Maybe they are able to find something Airlines which are operating A-320, why in the read-out of DFDR and CBR, which should this information be denied to our own help them, which can help them to take some pilots? So, we immediately took a decision, decision for taking some corrective action. and we made that read-out available to them. We considered their appeal and we though They are studying that read-out; and they will that lor salety considerations, it was proper let us know how they leel about it. that we agreed-we did not get DFDR de-co

ISh. Arif Mohammad Khan] sation; it is a small cell in the Civil Aviation Direct6r-Generars Office. First we must take steps to remove the doubt. Hwe did not remo"o those doubts and SHRIARIFMOHAMMADKHAN: Itisa apprehensions, even .if 'e kept operating fulHledged organisation. these planes, it would become useless. In fact, I would like to make it clear that it was SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Theirairworth- not a tragedy of 14th February because of iness certificate is very very crucial. So, are which we immediately took a decision to you prepared to keep this organisation out of ground the fleet: no: this decision we took the Civil Aviation Ministry because commer- four days later. cial consideration may influence this organisation also? Every one of us must have seen those reports which appeared in the Press: and SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: somehow, this doubt developed in the mind would say that DGCA is a regulatory author- of the travelling public. I know the diffIculty to ity de1pite the fact ihat it is a part of the Civil which the travelling public had been sub· Aviation Ministry. Definitely, the concern of jectedto as a result of this deCISIon to ground the DGCA is to enforce all safety standards the fleet. After all, it concerns all air-buses and not to serve the commercial interest of having 14 years of life. But we had no other any of these airlines which are looked after atternative; and today, even H we go for the byDGCA. arrangement whicn the hon. members nave mentioned, it will take some time, So, let us And, in fact, I would say that not only study various options whicn are available to DGCA but even the Civil Aviation Ministry, us. As I said, we have made the report as far as the core services are concerned, I available to the Commercial Pilots Associa- have no doubt in my mind that for us safety tion also; and as I requested earlier, I would will come first, facilities to the passengers again like to request the hon. Members that will come seconfU and economy the third. It we should make a differentiation. If any cannot be the other way round. irregularity has been committed, as far as the deal is concerned, that is a question We have recently taken steps to further which is independent of the air worthiness of strengthen the DGCA and now DGCA is safety aspect of the Airlines or of the aircraft. bp.ing headed by an officer of the rank of an Additional Secretary who himseH has flying SHRI AMAL DAnA. Who will examine background, We are absolutely clear in our the air worthiness now? mind that the DGCA performs very vital functions. We will further strengthen the SHRI ARIFMOHAMMAD KHAN. Aslar organisation and as far as the enforcement as air worthiness IS concerned, the is not a of safety standards are concerned, we are question which will be deCIded by one com- not going to take any risk and we are not mittee which is appoInted today, We have a going to make any compromise as far as whole organisation. Basically, Shri Harish enforcement of safety standards in the Air- Rawat wanted to know from me whether we lines is concerned. have any organisatIon like the federal Avia- tionAuthority. Yes, we have an organisatIon. SHRI AMAL DAnA; What happens The Director-General of Civil Aviation, as far Ister? The same thing may happen later as Indian is concerned, performs the same also. You can say this again. An autono- functions as are performed by the Federal mous organisation with proper powers should Authority in the United States. be there.

SHRI HARISH RAWAT: As per my in- SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: I take formation, it io only a cell; it is not an organ i- note of H. 649 Disc. reo Accident to I.A. CHAITRA 8, 1912 (SAKAl Airbus A-320 at Banga/orB 650 SHRI CHITTA BASU: The Press re- SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: You ports suggest that the airworthiness of this will come to know the names tomorrow A-320 will be determined by the French morning. when I say informal arrangement... Company. That is a part of the agreement. I want to know whether tt is correct. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH (Sh80har): Who made this informal arrange- SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: No. It ment? On whom was this honour bestowed? is not correct. SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: In- SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH dian Airlines. U~imately it is the head of the (Sh80har): The han. Minister has just said organisation who takes the decision. "things that the DGCA has some flying background. like this happen, anybody who may be in that tt that f'ying background limited to the position will take the decision. Ultimately h is Safdarjang Airport? What kind of safety IS the head of the organisation wlao will have to ensured? Just because somebody w~h flying accept the responsibilhy. backgrol'~d is there, that may not be suffI- cient. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINCH: Gov- ernment is not run like this. SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: That is not the only qualificatIon. I Just referred to MR. CHAIRMAN: Do you want the tt. (Interruptions) Members to know the names tomorrowonly? What is thi&? SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH: The preliminary enquiry was done in an informal SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH: Who manner by a one man cell, you rQentioned. made this informal arr3ngement? That is all shrouded in mystery.

SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: I do SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: (think not want to be an authority. the Deputy Managing Director of Indian Air- lines, Mr. Bhasin ccnducled the evaluation SHRI AMAl DATTA: HDGCA was at all or the cell as tt js called. It was he who did it. effective, then the evaluation made by an (/ntemlptions) I do not want to commant informal cell may not be necessary. It may be now. This is what I am trying to say. I hope Indian Airlines, or a one man cell, or an the hon. Members will appreciate this. Had informal cell as you just told us, the DGCA there been a formal arrangement, one could has to discuss the idea. But they will crush even go and say that one did not do h. That the idea. They do not want the power to be is why I am again and again saying that h was given away. an informal arrangement. H it were a formal arrangement, then it would have been easy SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: let to pinpoint everyone. (IntetnJptions) me clarify the posftion.

I would like the hon. members to appre- SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: That ciate what his intormaf arrangement is, or is why, I am saying, please give us soma what h means. The decision was taken by time. After all we have referred this mallerto one person on an informal basis, but ulti- an investigating agency. They have filed mately the decision becomes the decision of their FIR. They are investigating into it. let the Board of Directors of the Indian Airlines, them do it. You cannot find answer for ewry TI;at is what I am saying. question today itsaH.

SHRI AMAl DATTA: Why not mention MR. CHAIRMAN: Have you finilhed the names? (/ntetrI.ptions) your reply? 651 D&c. te. Act:idtlnt 10 LA SHRI ARF MOtIAtMAD KHAN: Vas be ...... far me to CIIIIII'*Il on ..'_ Sir. rapcirts~.thlsSlaga""'_'_ options which may be available to the G0v- SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR (Bar- ernment are under~. rackponI): h is found in the newspaper that the c:ontracl is ilTtMlCllbkl. Now I the Gov- MR. CHAIRMAN: The Holme stands emmenI decides not 10 purd1ae the other adjourned to meat IDmonow al11 A.M. numbarofflaat, then iI wi. not be possibIafor the Govammant ID do that. That has bean 2O.2OhnL found in the newspaper today. The LoIc Sabha than adjoumed til EIfwen SHRIARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: Sir, aD ollila Clock on Friday, MaIch 30, 19901 kinds of reports are appearing and it wiI not Chaira 9, 1912 (SaIra}

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