VOLUME 31 NUMBER 3 SUMMER 2019 Journal of APPLIED CORPORATE FINANCE IN THIS ISSUE: Columbia Law School Symposium on Corporate Governance “Counter-Narratives”: On Corporate Purpose and Shareholder Value(s) Corporate 10 Session I: Corporate Purpose and Governance Colin Mayer, Oxford University; Ronald Gilson, Columbia and Stanford Law Schools; and Martin Purpose— Lipton, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz LLP. 26 Session II: Capitalism and Social Insurance and EVA Jeffrey Gordon, Columbia Law School. Moderated by Merritt Fox, Columbia Law School. 32 Session III: Securities Law in Twenty-First Century America: Once More? A Conversation with SEC Commissioner Rob Jackson Robert Jackson, Commissioner, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Moderated by John Coffee, Columbia Law School. 44 Session IV: The Law, Corporate Governance, and Economic Justice Chief Justice Leo Strine, Delaware Supreme Court; Mark Roe, Harvard Law School; Jill Fisch, University of Pennsylvania Law School; and Bruce Kogut, Columbia Business School. Moderated by Eric Talley, Columbia Law School. 64 Session V: Macro Perspectives: Bigger Problems than Corporate Governance Bruce Greenwald and Edmund Phelps, Columbia Business School. Moderated by Joshua Mitts, Columbia Law School. 74 Is Managerial Myopia a Persistent Governance Problem? David J. Denis, University of Pittsburgh 81 The Case for Maximizing Long-Run Shareholder Value Diane Denis, University of Pittsburgh 90 A Tribute to Joel Stern Bennett Stewart, Institutional Shareholder Services 95 A Look Back at the Beginning of EVA and Value-Based Management: An Interview with Joel M. Stern Interviewed by Joseph T. Willett 103 EVA, Not EBITDA: A New Financial Paradigm for Private Equity Firms Bennett Stewart, Institutional Shareholder Services 116 Beyond EVA Gregory V. Milano, Fortuna Advisers 126 Are Performance Shares Shareholder Friendly? Marc Hodak, Farient Advisors 131 Why EVA Bonus Plans Failed—and How to Revive Them Stephen F. O’Byrne, Shareholder Value Advisors VOLUME 31 NUMBER 3 SUMMER 2019
IN THIS ISSUE: Corporate Purpose—and EVA Once More?
2 A Message from the Editor 4 Executive Summaries Columbia Law School Symposium on Corporate Governance “Counter-Narratives”: On Corporate Purpose and Shareholder Value(s) 10 Session I: Corporate Purpose and Governance Colin Mayer, Oxford University; Ronald Gilson, Columbia and Stanford Law Schools; and Martin Lipton, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz LLP. 26 Session II: Capitalism and Social Insurance Jeffrey Gordon, Columbia Law School. Moderated by Merritt Fox, Columbia Law School. 32 Session III: Securities Law in Twenty-First Century America: A Conversation with SEC Commissioner Rob Jackson Robert Jackson, Commissioner, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Moderated by John Coffee, Columbia Law School. 44 Session IV: The Law, Corporate Governance, and Economic Justice Chief Justice Leo Strine, Delaware Supreme Court; Mark Roe, Harvard Law School; Jill Fisch, University of Pennsylvania Law School; and Bruce Kogut, Columbia Business School. Moderated by Eric Talley, Columbia Law School. 64 Session V: Macro Perspectives: Bigger Problems than Corporate Governance Bruce Greenwald and Edmund Phelps, Columbia Business School. Moderated by Joshua Mitts, Columbia Law School. 74 Is Managerial Myopia a Persistent Governance Problem? David J. Denis, University of Pittsburgh 81 The Case for Maximizing Long-Run Shareholder Value Diane Denis, University of Pittsburgh 90 A Tribute to Joel Stern Bennett Stewart, Institutional Shareholder Services 95 A Look Back at the Beginning of EVA and Value-Based Management: An Interview with Joel M. Stern Interviewed by Joseph T. Willett 103 EVA, Not EBITDA: A New Financial Paradigm for Private Equity Firms Bennett Stewart, Institutional Shareholder Services 116 Beyond EVA Gregory V. Milano, Fortuna Advisers 126 Performance Shares: Shareholder Unfriendly? Marc Hodak, Farient Advisors 131 Why EVA Plans Have Failed—and How to Revive Them Stephen F. O’Byrne, Shareholder Value Advisors A MESSAGE FROM THE EDITOR
uring my nearly 40 years as editor, this journal has been devoted to exploring the idea D that public companies should be run to maximize their own long-run value. However much you may have been persuaded by the Business Roundtable’s recent statement that the idea has outlived its usefulness, it received a pretty remarkable show of support in an event that took place at Columbia Law School early this year—and that provides the main focus of this issue. by Don Chew
The event, which was nicely designed and themselves—or be required by law—to to enforce such statements of purpose, he orchestrated by Jeff Gordon and Kristin publish statements of corporate purpose expresses concern about the political risks Bresnahan at the law school’s Millstein that envision some greater social good associated with ever-more concentrated Center—and included an opening than maximizing shareholder value. And to ownership of public companies in a world statement by Ira Millstein himself—was carry out that purpose, he urges companies where populist distrust of all concentrations billed as a symposium on “Corporate to make continuous investments of their of wealth and power is clearly on the rise. Governance Counter-Narratives: On financial and other resources in developing But even more troubling for the Corporate Purpose and Shareholder their human, social, and natural capital— companies themselves is the confusion Value(s).” The occasion and organizing and also to account, quite literally, for such proposals are likely to create in focus were provided by publication of Colin such investments in much the same way corporate boardrooms. As Gilson points Mayer’s book, Prosperity—Better Business they now keep track of their investments out, corporate managements face not one, Makes the Greater Good. in physical capital. Although the author but two hugely costly ways of putting their Mayer himself, well-known corporate appears to prefer that such change be own interests ahead of their shareholders.’ finance and governance academic, and enacted through new legislation and One is the much cited problem of myopia inaugural dean of Oxford’s Said School of enforced by regulators and the courts, or short-termism, whose most common Business, launched the first of the five sessions his main energies are directed at enlisting form is underinvesting in the corporate with a 30-minute address that, without notes, the support of today’s largest owners of future to boost near-term earnings. (But slides, or AV equipment of any kind, issued a corporations, many of which—particularly if short-termism gets a lot of attention flawlessly articulate and stirring call for a “rad- wealthy founding families, institutional during the conference, Harvard Law’s ical reinterpretation” of what corporations are shareholders, and sovereign wealth funds— Mark Roe provides little if any support for supposed to do. The corporation, as Mayer are already favorably predisposed to ESG its existence or consequences in reviewing starts by pointing out, from its beginnings initiatives. the studies.) The other big problem, seldom 2,000 years ago in the Roman Empire until In their responses to Mayer, both the discussed these days, is what Gilson calls the rise of serious shareholder activism in the world’s most famous corporate lawyer, hyperopia, or overinvestment designed early 1980s, has combined commercial activi- Marty Lipton, and distinguished Columbia to preserve (low-return) growth and ties with a public purpose. But since Milton and Stanford law professor, Ron Gilson, the status quo. (And in the article that Friedman’s famous pronouncement in 1970 begin by suggesting that mandating such immediately follows the five Columbia that the social goal of the corporation is to changes is neither desirable nor feasible. sessions, University of Pittsburgh’s Dave maximize its own profits, the gap between Lipton, after praising Mayer’s proposals Denis provides a nicely compact review the social and private interests served by cor- and noting much common ground with his of three decades of research suggesting porations appears to have grown ever wider, own New Paradigm, also views the support that overinvestment is by far the more helping fuel the global outbreaks of populist of large shareholders as critical, and efforts widespread of the two problems.) protest and indictments of capitalism that fill to secure it as the most promising strategy. And as Gilson goes on to argue, perhaps today’s media. Gilson, on the other hand, sees a number the most challenging, and important, In Mayer’s vision, the boards of of major challenges to this approach. Apart responsibility of boards is achieving the all companies will either take it upon from the courts’ inability or unwillingness right balance in guarding against these two
2 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 value-destroying tendencies—failure to social programs—especially protections for own long-run efficiency and value—that invest in the future, and failure to return workers and the unemployed—have been would be appropriate for, and end up capital to investors that will be wasted on put into practice by Northern European satisfying, all their different stakeholders. unproductive investment. Gilson’s answer to social democracies, the Judge responds “Who,” she asks, “would make the trade- the problem is simple:“better management,” to the more extreme demands of today’s offs among competing priorities when the as exemplified by, say, Costco’s ability to ESG movement by falling back on the pre- social purpose comes into conflict with operate profitably while—and perhaps scription of Columbia Law’s most famous economic value?” because—paying above-market wages. professor, Adolph Berle. Even while serv- Columbia Business School’s Bruce Kogut More generally, the answer is devoting ing as one of Roosevelt’s “Brain Trusters” closes the session with the suggestion that another dollar of resources to all important and framers of the New Deal, Berle also our greatest problems today may be coming stakeholders, as long as the present value of insisted that companies “stick to their knit- not from the shortsightedness and other the expected payoff—over any time horizon ting by putting shareholders first” as the failings of corporations, but from “deep, management is comfortable explaining to only way of ensuring the accountability of deep distrust of the competence of the state.” its investors—is at least a dollar. corporate managements and boards to the Kogut’s main prescription is that, to take A more direct and impassioned warning public. And in a provocative closing state- advantage of the enormous potential gains about the consequences of confusion about ment, the Judge warns that when thinking from effective arm’s-length collaboration the corporate mission was provided by SEC about ESG, between business and the public sector, Commissioner Robert Jackson, when com- governments at all levels should find ways menting in the third session on stakeholder [W]e ought to be very careful not to forget, to strike “Coasian bargains” with the theory and the role of corporate boards: or to confuse, what the Securities Acts were private sector—think what might have been about. It’s important that everyone understand between New York City and Amazon— Asking boards of directors to make major what corporations do—both what they are that make the best possible use of the core strategic business decisions while putting all supposed to do for society, and what they are competencies and resources of each. these different stakeholder interests on a par not supposed to do. That’s something everyone After a pair of articles by the University with shareholders’ imposes a decision-making should know, whether they own publicly listed of Pittsburgh’s Dave and Diane Denis— burden on the institution that we cannot and securities or not. Dave’s, already cited, on corporate should not expect boards to carry. Look, I’ve overinvestment and underinvestment, been in those boardrooms. They’re filled with Jill Fisch, co-director of the University and Diane’s, a clear and compelling good people who are trying to do the right of Pennsylvania Law School’s Institute restatement of “the case for long-run value thing. But the fact is that corporate boards do for Law and Economics, responds to the maximization”—the issue concludes with not hold the keys to our environmental future, Delaware Chief Justice by questioning reported sightings of a comeback by a or to ending inequality. They don’t have the whether corporate America in fact has measure of corporate performance called authority or knowledge or resources to solve a major governance problem. As Fisch EVA, or Economic Value Added, once a those problems. And expecting them to do that points out, U.S. companies have been regular subject in these pages. When I was is a prescription for profound unhappiness for taking voluntary measures—in some cases talking to Colin after the conference about millions of families who rightly feel let down even flouting thede regulatory initiatives the accounting challenge of capturing the by modern corporations. of the federal government—to address value of “non-financial” investments, Bruce Moreover, taking away companies’ clear, environmental problems; and like Costco, Kogut jumped in with, “I thought EVA single-minded objective function of increasing many have raised their workers’ wages well solved that problem years ago.” And in the long-run shareholder value raises real account- above market rates, while urging Congress last six articles in this issue, starting with the ability problems. Without such an objective, to increase legal minimums. And perhaps tribute by Bennett Stewart, the co-founder what will guide boards when making the diffi- most important, all this has taken place of EVA (and Stern Stewart & Co.), to his cult tradeoffs among stakeholders that effective not only without any legal challenges from co-founder Joel Stern, who died in May, oversight and management require? the companies’ largest shareholders, but we present a brief history of the rise, fall, generally with their encouragement and and apparent resurgence of EVA. As the last But in some ways an even more remark- applause—and higher stock prices. What’s three articles show, that comeback has been able statement of the so-called shareholder more, echoing Judge Strine’s concerns, accompanied by a sea change into forms primacy doctrine comes from Delaware Fisch closes by expressing skepticism rich and strange. Supreme Court Chief Justice Leo Strine. about the very idea that companies Shareholder value is dead, long live After invoking the New Deal, and express- are able to come up with a single social shareholder value! EVA is dead, long live ing admiration for the way its ideals and its purpose—other than maximizing their EVA! —DHC
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Columbia Law School Symposium on enacted through new legislation and have responded during the last 50 years to Corporate Governance enforced by regulators and the courts, his the forces of globalization and increased “Counter-Narratives”: On Corporate main efforts are directed at persuading pressure from investors by transferring the Purpose and Shareholder Value(s) the largest institutional owners of risks associated with product and worker corporations—many of whom are already obsolescence from their shareholders to favorably predisposed to ESG—to support their employees. Layoffs have generally Session I: Corporate Purpose these corporate initiatives. meant very large, if not complete, losses Colin Mayer, Ronald Gilson, and Marty Lipton, after expressing of “firm-specific investments” by displaced Martin Lipton enthusiasm about Mayer’s proposals, employees. And the problem is especially suggests that mandating such changes is troubling in the U.S., where the employees In this first of five sessions of a recent likely neither feasible nor desirable, but that of large companies lose not only their Columbia Law School symposium devoted attempts—like his own New Paradigm— jobs and income streams, but also often to discussion of his new book, Prosperity— to gain the acceptance and support of their connection to their social network, and The Purpose of the Corporation, Oxford large shareholders is the most promising to the entire system of social welfare and University’s Colin Mayer begins by calling strategy. Ron Gilson, on the other hand, insurance that tends to be provided by large for a “radical reinterpretation” of the after voicing Lipton’s skepticism about companies and the workplace. corporate mission. For all but the last 50 or the enforceability of such statements of While applauding corporate retraining so of its 2,000-year history, the corporation purpose, issues a number of warnings. programs, Gordon suggests that has combined commercial activities One is about the political risks associated individual company efforts are likely to with a public purpose. But since Milton with ever more concentrated ownership of be overwhelmed by the demand for such Friedman’s famous pronouncement in 1970 public companies in a world where populist services. The solution accordingly lies in that the social goal of the corporation is to distrust of all concentrations of wealth the form of government-provided social maximize its own profits, the gap between and power is clearly on the rise. But most insurance—in programs that, whether the social and private interests served by troubling for the company themselves is orchestrated and funded at the state or corporations appears to have grown ever the confusion such proposals could create federal level, provide the most cost-effective wider, helping fuel the global outbreaks for corporate boards whose responsibility government “match” designed to ensure of populist protest and indictments of is to limit two temptations facing the preservation of human potential and capitalism that fill today’s media. corporate managements: short-termism, or lifetime earnings power of employees. In Mayer’s reinterpretation, the boards underinvestment in the corporate future to of all companies will produce and publish boost near-term earnings (and presumably statements of corporate purpose that stock prices); and what Gilson calls Session III: Securities Law in Twenty- envision some greater social good than hyperopia, or overinvestment designed to First Century America: A Conversation maximizing shareholder value. To that end, preserve growth (and management’s jobs) with SEC Commissioner Robert Jackson he urges companies to make continuous at all costs. Robert Jackson. Moderated by John Coffee investments of their financial capital and other resources in developing other forms SEC Commissioner Robert Jackson of corporate capital—human, social, Session II: Capitalism and Social comments on three major issues the and natural—and to account for such Insurance Commission has been investigating: (1) investments in the same way they now Jeffrey Gordon. Moderated by Merritt Fox the concentration of ownership among account for their investments in physical American stock exchanges; (2) the extent capital. Although the author appears to In what Jeff Gordon describes as “the of common ownership of, and potential for prefer that such changes be mandatory, great risk shift,” large U.S. companies undue influence over, U.S. corporations by
4 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 large institutional shareholders; and (3) the Northern European social democracies. to define a single social purpose (other than role of corporate boards in promoting and Most important are their protections for maximizing shareholder value) that would protecting stakeholder interests as well as workers and the unemployed—protections be appropriate for, and end up satisfying, shareholder interests. the Judge finds deplorably absent in all their different stakeholders. In the first of the three areas, Jackson U.S. law and corporate labor practices. Columbia Business School’s Bruce argues that the ownership of 12 of the 13 Nevertheless, when contemplating how Kogut closes with the suggestion that our U.S. stock exchanges by just three financial corporate boards in the U.S. might respond greatest problems today may be coming conglomerates suggests a competitiveness to the growing demand for U.S. public not from the shortsightedness and other problem—one that, despite the companies to address social problems like failings of corporations and corporate law, significant reductions in trading costs the environment and economic inequality, but from “deep distrust of the competence during the last 15 years, should receive the Delaware judge falls back on the of the state.” Kogut’s main prescription is further investigation. To the concerns prescription of Adolph Berle, who, though that to take advantage of the enormous raised by the common and increasingly one of the framers of the New Deal, insisted potential gains from effective arm’s- concentrated ownership of U.S. public that companies “stick to their knitting” by length collaboration between business companies by institutional shareholders, putting shareholders first as the only way and the public sector, governments at all the Commissioner’s main response is to of ensuring the accountability of corporate levels should find ways to strike “Coasian note that whatever culpability corporate managements and boards. bargains” with the private sector that America is forced to assume for our large Harvard Law’s Mark Roe responds makes the best possible uses of the core and growing environmental and social with a defense of corporate America competencies and resources of each. problems must be shared with the largest against the charge of corporate short- U.S. institutional shareholders, whose termism by noting that, although U.S. collective resources and influence confer capital expenditures have declined in the Session V: Macro Perspectives: Bigger a responsibility to help guide companies past 15-20 years, corporate investment Problems than Corporate Governance when responding to such problems. in R&D and other intangible assets Bruce Greenwald and Edmund Phelps. Finally, on the issue of stakeholder theory have both grown sharply. Corporate Moderated by Joshua Mitts and ESG, Jackson insists that asking distributions in the form of dividends and corporate boards to put the interests stock buybacks are rising, but so have the Columbia Business School’s well-known of all stakeholders on a par with their net borrowings of the companies making authority on value-based investing begins shareholders’ when making strategic the distributions, leaving the cash balances by attributing today’s economic problems to business decisions would be a mistake. of U.S. companies also near record levels. a “global economic dislocation,” one that is Besides creating a major accountability And the remarkably high valuations rooted in the ongoing—and in Greenwald’s problem, the adoption of stakeholder of successful high tech companies are view, inevitable—decline of manufacturing theory in place of “the clear, single-minded themselves forceful rebuttals of the idea and displacement by services. Like the objective function of increasing long-run that pressure from the stock market for other example of dislocation in modern shareholder value” would deprive boards current earnings is a serious deterrent to times, the Great Depression of the 1930s, of their principal guide “when making investment and innovation. the 2008 global financial crisis and the difficult tradeoffs among stakeholders The University of Pennsylvania’s protracted recession—still very much with that effective oversight and management Jill Fisch follows Roe’s dismissal of the us—are viewed as originating in the sharp of public companies require.” short-termism argument with even more decline of a major “sector” of the global forceful questioning of whether corporate economy. In the Depression of the ’30s America in fact has a major governance it was agriculture; in the recent financial Session IV: The Law, Corporate problem. U.S. companies have been crisis it was manufacturing. In both cases, Governance, and Economic Justice taking voluntary measures to address technological advances and economy-wide Leo Strine, Mark Roe, Jill Fisch, and environmental problems—in some cases productivity increases led to huge increases Bruce Kogut. Moderated by Eric Talley. even in the face of federal deregulatory in stock and financial asset prices—but initiatives—and many have raised their also to sharp drops in the prices of farm The Chief Justice of the Delaware workers’ wages, without any challenges and manufactured goods, and massive Supreme Court begins by invoking the (and often with encouragement) from their overcapacity and ruinous competition in New Deal, and expressing admiration shareholders. And echoing Justice Strine’s both sectors. for the way its goals and some of its social concerns, Fisch also ends up questioning According to the author, the working programs have been put into practice by the premise that companies can be asked off of overcapacity in the agricultural sector
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was accomplished largely by the effect of Is Managerial Myopia a Persistent investment policies and transferring control World War II in moving huge numbers Governance Problem? to outside investors—such as leveraged off the farm and into the mainly urban David J. Denis buyouts and recapitalizations, forced industrial sector at government expense. CEO dismissals, and shareholder activist This labor force relocation, which occurred Critics of U.S. corporations have long campaigns—companies tend to reduce, in all developed economies, was essential argued that companies are overly not increase, investment spending. In fact, to a global economic transformation focused on short-term results and, as a it is difficult to find any corporate control that for the next 50 years provided high consequence, sacrifice their own long- threats that have had the goal or effect of productivity growth and greater equality run value and competitiveness. These increasing investment. Third, and at the of income and wealth. criticisms have expanded in recent same time, the rising concentration of large More recently, however, the global econ- years to include those from prominent institutional investors, including indexers omy has been confronted with the challenge politicians, investors, consultants, and such as BlackRock and Vanguard, suggests of accomplishing a transition from manu- academics. If such criticisms have merit, that investors have become, if anything, facturing to services that will feature lower they would imply a massive governance more long-term oriented over time. Fourth, productivity growth and more inequality. failure in which there has been decades there is no evidence that the market shuns Foreseeing a long, difficult process, Green- of underinvestment with little adjustment companies that have yet to report large wald’s biggest concern is that government on the part of managers, boards, or the (or indeed any) earnings. These findings intervention will distract businesses from market for corporate control. suggest that curbing overinvestment, making this transition effectively—which This article evaluates the economic and not discouraging myopia and means continuing to operate as efficiently as underpinnings of these criticisms and underinvestment, may well still be the possible, downsizing when necessary—and analyzes their implications in the context larger corporate governance challenge so make the problems worse. And while busi- of empirical evidence produced by facing investors when monitoring and ness focuses on preserving its own efficiency several decades of research on corporate attempting to influence the performance and value, Greenwald urges governments to investment policies, the outcomes of of U.S. companies. look for more cost-effective ways—for exam- corporate control events, investor horizons, ple, expanded use in the U.S. of the Earned and the market pricing of companies with Income Tax Credit—to cushion workers little if any earnings. In reviewing the The Case for Maximizing Long-Run from the consequences. Nobel laureate findings of these studies, the author finds Shareholder Value Edmund Phelps, while agreeing with much little evidence to support the view that Diane Denis of Greenwald’s analysis, has a different expla- U.S. companies sacrifice long-run value nation of the U.S. productivity dilemma. and competitiveness by systematically Criticism of the shareholder model of Innovation is viewed as the primary driver underinvesting. corporate governance stems in part from of the prosperity of the advanced economies. First, although U.S. companies have misunderstanding about what shareholder Higher income and wealth matter less than indeed cut back on tangible investments wealth maximization means for the job satisfaction, participation, and an array such as property, plant, and equipment, other stakeholders of public companies. of non-material “modern values” that have these cutbacks have been more than offset The corporate goal of shareholder somehow been lost and that, for Phelps, are by the dramatic growth in investment wealth maximization does not imply the key to restoring economic growth and in intangibles, such as spending on that such stakeholders “do not matter.” “mass flourishing.” developing knowledge capital, brand- Managers maximize shareholder building, and IT infrastructure. Second, value by maximizing the expected when subjected to events that have the cash flows that are at least potentially effect of reducing managerial control over distributable to all of their stakeholders
6 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 (after all have been given their his graduation from the University of accordance with what he refers to as “the contractual due). To maximize such Chicago’s School of Business in 1964, a accounting model of the firm”—often cash flows, managers must provide their 14-year stint at the Chase Manhattan Bank, leads to value-destroying decisions. As one customers with desirable goods and and the formation of Stern Stewart (and its example, the GAAP accounting principle services at attractive prices—which successor, Stern Value Management), Stern that requires intangible investments like in turn requires that managers attract traveled the world over, always eager to R&D and training to be written off in the employees, suppliers, and financial address and make converts among legions the year the money is spent is likely to capital needed to conduct their businesses of corporate executives, board members, cause significant underinvestment in such by providing each of these groups with and MBA students. One key to his success intangibles. At the same time, the failure market-determined returns on their was a passionate reverence for the academic of conventional income statements to contributions to firm value. In this way, scholars who developed modern finance. reflect the cost of equity almost certainly successful corporations benefit all of their Joel’s translation of the Miller-Modigliani encourages corporate overinvestment. stakeholders, and what is good for the valuation model into a practical framework Stern’s solution to this problem was corporation is generally good for society. for evaluating corporate performance an executive incentive compensation plan External forces such as the media and gained a following among a generation or whose rewards were tied to increases in government exert considerable influence two of corporate leaders, leading ultimately a measure of economic profit called on corporate actions and, in so doing, to the development of EVA, or Economic economic value added, or EVA, which they play a role in helping to limit Value Added, a practical framework for research has shown to have a significance negative corporate “externalities” such value-based financial management. relation to changes both in share value as pollution and climate change. But and the premium of market value over direct regulation of productive activities book value. Moreover, by combining such should be used sparingly, and subjected to A Look Back at the Beginnings of a plan with a “bonus bank” that pays out ongoing cost-benefit analysis. Government EVA and Value-Based Management: annual awards over a multiyear period, regulation replaces the collective decisions An Interview with Joel M. Stern boards could ensure that management of a broad marketplace of stakeholders Interviewed by Joseph T. Willett will be rewarded not for good luck using their own resources to act in their but for sustainable improvements in own interests with decisions made by In this interview conducted five years performance. government officials with complicated ago, one of the pioneers of value-based incentives and using resources generated management discusses his life’s work in by others. More generally, government converting principles of modern finance EVA, Not EBITDA: A New Financial should seek to regulate corporate actions theory into performance evaluation and Paradigm for Private Equity Firms only in the limited situations in which incentive compensation plans that have Bennett Stewart there are no market solutions for reducing been adopted by many of the world’s the effects of externalities. For example, largest and most successful companies, Private equity firms have boomed on the government plays a critically important including Coca-Cola, SABMiller in back of EBITDA. Most PE firms use it role in identifying and deterring corporate London, Siemens in Germany, and the as their primary measure of value, and ask fraud, and in ensuring competition and a Godrej Group in India. The issues covered the managers of their portfolio companies level playing field for companies and all include the significance of dividend payouts to increase it. Many public companies their stakeholders. (are dividends really necessary to support have decided to emulate the PE firms by a company’s stock price and, if so, why?) using EBITDA to review performance as well as the question of optimal capital with investors, and even as a basis for A Tribute to Joel Stern structure (whether and why debt might be determining incentive pay. But is the Bennett Stewart cheaper than equity). emphasis on EBITDA warranted? But the most important focus of In this article, the co-founder of Stern The co-founder of corporate finance the interview is corporate performance Stewart & Co. argues that EVA offers a consulting firm Stern Stewart and Co. measurement and the use of executive pay better way. He discusses blind spots and pays tribute to Joel Stern, the well-known to strengthen management incentives to distortions that make EBITDA highly popularizer of “modern corporate finance” increase efficiency and value. unreliable and misleading as a measure and consultant to hundreds of companies As Stern never tired of arguing, the of normalized, ongoing profitability. worldwide who died on May 21, 2019. widespread tendency of public companies By comparing EBITDA with EVA, or During a 45-year career that spanned to manage “for earnings”—or in Economic Value Added, a measure of
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economic profit net of a full cost-of-capital causes EVA to be negative when assets are Are Performance Shares charge, Stewart demonstrates EVA’s ability “new” and can discourage managers from Shareholder Friendly? to provide managers and investors with investing in the business. Marc Hodak much more clarity into the levers that These shortcomings led the author are driving corporate performance and and his colleagues to design an improved Performance shares, or PSUs, have become determining intrinsic market value. And economic profit-based performance the largest element of pay for top executives in support of his demonstration, Stewart measure when founding Fortuna Advisors in corporate America. Their spread was reports the finding of his analysis of Russell in 2009. The measure, which is called ignited by institutional investors looking 3000 public companies that EVA explains “residual cash earnings,” or RCE, is like for more “shareholder-friendly” equity almost 20% more than EBITDA of their EVA in charging managers for the use awards—as opposed to restricted stock changes in value, while at the same time of capital; but unlike EVA, it adds back and stock options, which have been providing far more insight into how to depreciation and so the capital charge characterized as “non-performance” improve those values. is “flat” (since now based on gross, or equity. Although that characterization has undepreciated, assets). And according to been challenged by many directors and the author’s latest research, RCE does a compensation professionals, proxy advisers Beyond EVA better job than EVA of relating to changes like Institutional Shareholder Services have Gregory V. Milano in TSR in all of the 20 (non-financial) continued to insist that the majority of industries studied during the period 1999 stock be granted based on performance, A former partner of Stern Stewart begins through 2018. compelling public companies to conform by noting that the recent acquisition of The article closes by providing two other to that standard. EVA Dimensions by the well-known proxy testaments to RCE’s potential uses: (1) a With over a decade of experience with advisory firm Institutional Shareholder demonstration that RCE does a far better PSUs, the evidence is in regarding their net Services (ISS) may be signaling a job than EVA of explaining Amazon’s effect: resurgence of EVA as a widely followed remarkable share price appreciation over • PSUs greatly complicate long-term corporate performance measure. In the last ten years; and (2) a brief case study incentives. Pay disclosures are dominated announcing the acquisition, ISS said that of Varian Medical Systems that illustrates by discussion of PSUs, including metrics, it’s considering incorporating the measure the benefits of designing and implementing goals, performance and vesting, and any into its recommendations and pay-for- a customized version of RCE as the differences in one grant year versus the next performance model. centerpiece for business management. over three overlapping periods. While applauding this decision, Perhaps the most visible change at Varian, • PSUs may be contributing to the the author also reflects on some of the after 18 months of using a measure the increase in pay. Companies issuing a shortcomings of EVA that ultimately company calls “VVA” (for Varian Value significant portion of their long-term prevented broader adoption of the measure Added), has been a sharp increase in the incentives in the form of PSUs have been after it was developed and popularized company’s longer-run investment (not granting about 35% more in value than in the early 1990s. Chief among these to mention its share price) while holding companies granting only restricted stock obstacles to broader use is the measure’s management accountable for earning an and stock options. complexity, arising mainly from the array adequate return on investors’ capital. • Shareholders don’t appear to be of adjustments to GAAP accounting. But getting anything for that added complexity even more important is EVA’s potential for and cost. S&P 500 companies using encouraging “short-termism”—a potential PSUs have underperformed their sector the author attributes to EVA’s front-loading peers, and companies using solely “non- of the costs of owning assets, which performance” equity have significantly
8 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 outperformed their sector peers, and in believe that meeting consensus earnings is every single year over the last decade. more important than investing to maintain Given these findings on PSUs, it is time future earnings. EVA often doesn’t work for institutional investors and their proxy well because increases in current EVA advisors to reconsider their view of these often come with reduced expectations of vehicles as “shareholder-friendly,” and future EVA improvement—and reductions rethink their unqualified promotion of in current EVA are often accompanied their use by the companies they invest in. by increases in future growth values. Since EVA bonus plans reward current EVA increases without taking account of Why EVA Bonus Plans Failed— changes in expected future growth values, and How to Revive Them they have the potential to encourage Stephen F. O’Byrne margin improvement that comes at the expense of business growth and discourage Most companies rely heavily on earnings positive-NPV investments that, because of to measure their financial performance, but longer-run payoffs, reduce current EVA. earnings growth has at least two important In this article, the author demonstrates weaknesses as a proxy for investor wealth. the possibility of overcoming such short- Current earnings growth may come at termism by developing an operating model the expense of future earnings through, of changes in future growth value that say, shortsighted cutbacks in corporate can be used to calibrate “dynamic” EVA investment, including R&D or advertising. improvement targets that more closely But growth in earnings per share can align EVA bonus plan payouts with also be achieved by “overinvesting”— investors’ excess returns. With the use of that is, committing ever more capital to “dynamic” targets, margin improvements projects with expected rates of return that, that come at the expense of business although well below the cost of capital, growth can be discouraged by raising exceed the after-tax cost of debt. Stock EVA performance targets, while growth compensation has been the conventional investments can be encouraged by the use solution to the first problem because it’s a of lower EVA targets. discounted cash flow value that is assumed to discourage actions that sacrifice future earnings. Economic profit—in its most popular manifestation, EVA—has been the conventional solution to the second problem because it includes a capital charge that penalizes low-return investment. But neither of these conventional solutions appears to work very well in practice. Stock compensation isn’t tied to business unit performance, and often fails to motivate corporate managers who
Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 9 COLUMBIA LAW SCHOOL SYMPOSIUM Corporate Governance “Counter-Narratives”: On Corporate Purpose and Shareholder Value(s)
SESSION I: CORPORATE PURPOSE AND GOVERNANCE
Columbia Law School | New York City | March 1, 2019
Ira Millstein Colin Mayer Founding Chair, Peter Moores Professor of Ira M. Millstein Center for Management Studies, Global Markets and Saïd Business School at the Corporate Ownership, University of Oxford Columbia Law School
Jeff Gordon Kristin Bresnahan Richard Paul Richman Executive Director, Professor of Law and Millstein Center, Co-Director, Millstein Center, Columbia Law School Columbia Law School
Ron Gilson Marty Lipton Marc and Eva Stern Professor Founding Partner, Wachtell, of Law and Business, Lipton, Rosen & Katz LLP Columbia Law School; Meyers Professor of Law and Business, Stanford Law School
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here have been many recent and very public examples of T what is widely viewed as a breach of trust between corpo- rations and the public. For capitalism to survive and thrive going forward, we need to repair that trust. It is a multifaceted problem that will require multifaceted solutions. – Kristin Bresnahan
Kristin Bresnahan: Good morning, I’m many of which have been written by So, with that I’m going to turn the Kristin Bresnahan, Executive Direc- people in this room. We’ve all seen microphone over to the center’s founder, tor of the Millstein Center for Global headlines like “The Millennials and the Ira Millstein. Thank you. Markets and Corporate Ownership, and Younger Generations Are Souring on I’m especially pleased to welcome you Capitalism.” Ira Millstein: Thank you, Kristin. Good all to Columbia Law School and to the What does all this mean for the morning, everyone. Thank you all for Millstein Center’s conference: Corpo- future of American business? There joining us and coming out for this rate Governance “Counter-Narratives”: have been many recent and very public important discussion. On Corporate Purpose and Shareholder examples of what is widely viewed as a Today we live and work in a very Value(s). Today is going to be a fasci- breach of trust between corporations complex and constantly evolving capital nating day of great conversations, and and the public. For capitalism to survive market system, one that is filled with we’re very glad you all are here to take and thrive going forward, we need to both political and economic uncertainty. part in them. repair that trust. It is a multifaceted This means that corporations need to be When I started at the Millstein problem that will require multifaceted able to evolve with the changing times. Center last summer, one of the first solutions. The corporation has three legs: things Ira Millstein said to me was that Fortunately, we have gathered many management, the board of directors, he wanted it to focus on issues on the great minds that have spent a lot of time and shareholders. Management’s role corporation’s role in society and on thinking about these issues here today, has been vital from the beginning as exploring plausible alternatives to share- and they’re going to get us on the right the engine of corporate performance. holder primacy as the primary aim of track for exploring what we’re going to do For much of the 20th century, manag- and guide for managing corporate enter- about it. I’m very proud of the fact that ers exercised considerable control over prises. We both believe that such an we will be hosting conversations repre- public companies. But once passive exploration is a critical step in righting senting a wide variety of perspectives, boards are now embracing a more active the course of capitalism—which, while and I’m hoping that everyone here will role in oversight and planning. Over the producing impressive returns for share- be challenged to think about these issues past decade, a coalescence of economic holders during the last several decades, in a different way when they leave today. power has reinvigorated shareholders has contributed to environmental This conference is just the begin- into more active involvement with the problems and growing inequality. ning of a larger project that we hope companies they invest in. Once faceless Over the past eight months, the will frame research designed to answer groups of shareholders of different sense of urgency around these issues questions about how best to address varieties now have more significantly and the future of democratic capital- these issues, and in that effort we are concentrated power, particularly the ism has risen to the top of concerns of excited to work alongside and collabo- ability and inclination to wield consid- the collective consciousness, becoming rate with other organizations interested erable influence over the corporation the focus of presidential candidates, in the same goal, including the Coali- through its directors. much debated proposed legislation, and tion for Inclusive Capitalism and the Today’s reality is that shareholders countless books, articles, and op-eds, World Economic Forum. play a critical role in the success and
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irectors and corporations are not immune from the power of D the capital markets, the power of shareholders to impact stock price, and the ability to raise capital, executive compensation, and a host of other sensitive points. So for me, the looming question for all of us is this: Can we find a way to help public companies achieve the neces- sary balance between shareholder value and stakeholder demands, which may require shareholders to forgo shorter-term profit, either temporarily or even longer-term? – Ira Millstein longevity of a company. They provide and environmental change, human freedom and protection that directors the capital that corporations require rights, and the opioid crisis, are on the need to act? for growth—and just to sustain their rise. Corporations are being asked to Directors and corporations are not operations. So corporations cannot take the lead. The calls won’t go away. immune from the power of the capital turn a blind eye to shareholders or their These shareholder demands cannot markets, the power of shareholders to demands for faster and visible so-called be ignored. Rather, they now must be impact stock price, and the ability to “shareholder value.” And shareholder balanced with shareholder demands for raise capital, executive compensation, value, over decades, has become the short-term profits and price swings. and a host of other sensitive points. So shareholder primacy standard that So the management and oversight of for me the looming question for all of now prevails in corporate America. The a public corporation is a balancing act. us is this: Can we find a way to help corporation’s purpose was to generate And the question for all of us is: How do public companies achieve the neces- profit for shareholders. directors strike the right balance? Also, sary balance between shareholder value It has increasingly been argued that do the current institutional structures— and stakeholder demands, which may this mindset has inhibited growth and including existing laws, regulations, and require shareholders to forgo shorter- innovation while boosting shareholder incentive structures—encourage this term profit, either temporarily or even returns in the short term. And this balance? longer-term? mindset is now being challenged. The Under our existing legal frame- I believe these will be difficult challenge is coming from a variety of work, as long as directors satisfy their judgment calls based, we hope, on some forces and in unexpected ways from what fiduciary duties, the law gives direc- form of empirical studies. I have no we call corporate “stakeholders.” There tors incredible flexibility, principally answer yet for myself, only questions. is currently growing momentum from through the business judgment rule. First, the interests of management, a diverse group of stakeholders to think In fact, there are very few situations boards, and shareholders will have to beyond quicker profits. Such stakehold- where director decisions are subject be aligned—and this will require deft ers include not only the shareholders, but to the more stringent standards of handling. We can’t afford internecine also employees, suppliers, customers, and review of enhanced scrutiny or entire warfare. This implicates governance. the community from which the corpo- fairness. Directors should take solace But are we convinced that better ration draws its resources or that may from knowing they are legally empow- governance will improve corporate otherwise be affected by its actions. ered to make decisions they deem to be performance? Do we need this, or is it The most recent proxy season in the best interests of the corporation, obvious? Is it necessary? illustrates my point. Proxy demands which includes balancing stakeholder Do we need to consider a differ- for governance changes, including the demands when appropriate. But does ent form of governance such as private #metoo movement, gun safety, climate the current legal framework provide the equity? Do directors need to be more
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o the way I look at the ambition of today is that we had S a narrative, the Friedman approach—and really the ALI approach—in which the shareholders are first. But today we’re asking: Is that a sustainable story? And if it’s not, then what are the alterna- tives? – Jeff Gordon and better informed on corporate opera- a sustainable story? And if it’s not, then right time to be addressing these things tions and their extrinsic forces to make what are the alternatives? in a fresh way. informed decisions? Do we need some In thinking about today’s confer- Now let’s begin our first panel legislative or regulatory changes to ence, we have had the good fortune that with Professor Colin Mayer, who is accompany private efforts to balance? Colin Mayer, a distinguished Oxford the Peter Moores Professor of Manage- There are many more questions, many don, has written an exciting new book ment Studies at Oxford’s Said Business of which will emerge from this confer- that he calls “Prosperity”—one that School. Colin is also the academic lead ence. The conference, sponsored by provides what is, in several ways, a for the British Academy’s Future of the the Millstein Center, goes to the core radical take on some of these questions. Corporation program, whose mission of the center’s reason for being: gather- So, Colin is the anchor tenant for is to examine the changing relation- ing the best and brightest to raise even today’s event, and we greatly appreciate ship between business and society by more important questions and attempt his trekking across the Atlantic—and looking at the interaction between to provide the knowledge that lead to with Brexit maybe he’ll even stay, but statements of corporate purpose and answers as neutrally as possible, without you never know. public perceptions of business. He is bias or ideologies. We also thank His Honor Leo also a director of the energy modeling Strine for his willingness to engage in company Aurora Energy Research Ltd., Bresnahan: Thank you, Ira. Now, let me this debate today. We all know Chief and advises companies, governments, introduce Professor Jeff Gordon, who Justice Strine as a judge who puts all international agencies, and regulators is one of the co-directors of the Mill- the academics to shame, because he around the world. stein Center. has a day job and manages to produce Colin, the podium is all yours. more articles in the law journals than Jeff Gordon: Thank you, Kristin. I’ve most of the rest of us who don’t have Prosperity—and the Purpose of known Ira for almost my entire career the excuse of being a judge. And Bruce the Corporation as a legal academic. Ira and Mark Roe Greenwald, who is a Columbia business Colin Mayer: Thanks, Jeff, for the kind and I have been going at these issues for school professor who packs in students words. And thanks to you and Kristin a very long time. The fascinating thing in the courses he teaches, will also be for inviting me to participate in this is that although the questions are peren- here later in the day. wonderful conference. It’s a great plea- nials, the answers change over time. And So it’s going to be a day of narratives sure and privilege to be here. that’s because the owners of companies and alternatives to the narratives. And I’m going to talk about one of the change—and the markets and the world although the Millstein Center’s advisory most important institutions in our lives. change with them. board was, I think, the instigator of this It’s not the state, religion, or Columbia So the way I look at the ambition day, there are many on that board, and Law School. It’s an institution that of today is that we had a narrative, the many associated with the center, who clothes, feeds, and houses us, that Friedman approach—and really the ALI have different perspectives on these employs us and invests our savings, and approach—in which the shareholders questions: What’s the issue to be solved, it’s the source of economic prosperity are first. But today we’re asking: Is that and how do we solve it? I think it’s the and the growth of nations around the
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ompanies are not just nexuses of contracts. They’re also C nexuses of relations of trust based on principles and values enshrined and upheld by the board of directors. Now that notion of capitalism is also a coherent, self-contained idea—one that’s about solving problems by owners and boards of directors who are commit- ted to the solution of those problems by building up relations of trust with other parties. – Colin Mayer world. But at the same time, it’s been the backgrounds, and from very different leaders. And this is not just a post-finan- source of growing inequality and harm institutions and parts of the world, there cial crisis phenomenon; it’s been true for to the environment. In response to this was a really striking degree of consensus nearly all 35 years of the survey. double potential, for good and for ill, around three themes. Mistrust of business is profound, the British Academy and the National The first was the need for and pervasive, and persistent. Why is that Academy of the Humanities and Social urgency of change; the second was the case? I suggest the answer has a Sciences last January launched a major the reconceptualization of business; lot to do with the Friedman doctrine program of research that Jeff just and third was identification of the that there is one and only one social mentioned called “The Future of the instruments and the key policy drivers purpose of business: to increase profits Corporation.” required to bring about change. And while staying within “the rules of the It brought together more than 30 underpinning these three conclusions is game.” That principle has been the basis academics from across the humani- one key factor: the general loss of trust of business practice, policy, and teach- ties and the social sciences around the in business. ing around the world ever since. But it world, including many academics in Every year for the past 35 years, wasn’t always so. this country—including one now sitting Ipsos MORI, the market research Indeed the corporation was estab- right in front of me, Jeff Gordon! company, has been undertaking a lished under Roman law to undertake The objective of the program is to survey of which professions in Britain the public functions of collecting taxes, consider how business can and should people trust to tell the truth. At the minting coins, building infrastructure, change in the coming decades to address top, alongside doctors, nurses, and and maintaining public buildings. For the economic, social, and political teachers I’m pleased to say, come nearly all of its 2,000-year history, the challenges it faces, as well as the normal university professors. We might not corporation has combined its commer- commercial and financial ones; and have much power, pay, or prestige; but cial activities with a public purpose. how it should best take advantage of at least people trust us to do nothing, It’s only over the last 60 years that this the tremendous technological advances earn nothing, and take no credit for it. notion that there is only one purpose now in progress. Near the other end come business of business—to make money—has In November 2018, it published 13 leaders, just above realtors, professional emerged. It is this that is the source papers based on that research along with footballers, journalists, trade union of great inequality and environmental a report that summarized the findings. leaders, and, at the rock bottom, politi- degradation—and, I would argue, of What emerged was a remarkable degree cians. And this low esteem for business that pervasive mistrust. of consensus. Despite the fact that leaders is not just a bankers’ phenom- And the problem is only going to people all worked independently and enon; bankers are actually separately get worse because, while technology came from very different academic reported, and ranked above business offers tremendous opportunities for
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enhancing the well-being of society, it Two months ago, the Financial Successful businesses don’t profit from also poses serious risks. As technology Reporting Council and the Financial creating problems for people and planet. accelerates, so too does the lag between Conduct Authority issued a statement Instead, they commit to pursuing the business innovation and effective regula- about the stewardship of investment common purpose of the corporation, tory and policy responses. management businesses saying that such and they make a commitment to other But things are changing. Two firms should have a purpose that is not parties—customers, suppliers, local months ago, Larry Fink, the CEO and simply about maximizing the returns of communities—whose efforts in turn President of BlackRock, wrote a letter their beneficiaries, but also influencing contribute to that common purpose. in which he said that “every company the social policies of the companies in That sense of and commitment to needs a purpose—not a strap line or a which they invest. common purpose gives rise to recipro- marketing campaign, but a statement of There’s also been, as I’m sure you’re cal relations of trust, which provide the its fundamental reason for being, what it aware, a significant change in political basis of the mutual benefits that accrue does on a daily basis. Purpose is not the attitudes. to all the parties to the firm, including sole pursuit of profits, but the animating Elizabeth Warren has proposed her the shareholders. It gives rise to more force for achieving them.” And Fink is Accountable Capitalism Act, which loyal customers, more engaged employ- not the only leader of a multitrillion- would require corporations with ees, more reliable suppliers, and to more dollar asset management firm to have revenues of at least $1 billion to have patient and supportive shareholders and said that; the leaders of Vanguard and a public charter with a stated public prosperous societies. And that prosper- State Street have also weighed in with purpose. In France, President Macron ity in turn gives rise, in a virtuous cycle, much the same message. has suggested putting the notion of to greater revenues, lower costs, and Moreover, it’s not just the leaders of raison d’être at the core of the French therefore more profits for businesses. investment management firms that are commercial code. In Britain, the Labour Now underpinning the operation saying this. Britain, in some respects, Party opposition has reintroduced the of this cycle is the trustworthiness of led the world in setting corporate gover- idea of renationalizing the companies companies in upholding those corpo- nance standards. Since the Cadbury that Britain led the way in privatizing rate purposes. That trustworthiness is Committee set out in 1992 what has in the 1980s—an idea that would have dependent on the values of the business, become known as the Corporate Gover- been inconceivable just three years ago. their honesty and integrity, and cultures nance Code, those standards have Now all of this reflects a profound of commitment to those corporate provided the basis of corporate gover- change in people’s attitudes towards purposes. These three notions of nance codes for companies around the the role of companies in society; and it purpose, trustworthiness, and enabling world, including those governed by the illustrates the speed, breadth, and scale values are what underpins the critical OECD principles on corporate gover- of the change that’s in motion. But in factors that make possible a reconceptu- nance. particular, it reflects the fact that we alization of business in the 21st century. But last July, the Financial Report- need to reconceptualize our notion of To achieve this reconceptualization ing Council issued a new corporate business around why it exists, what it’s requires a fundamental rethinking of governance code that declared that the there to do, and why it was created—in four sets of policies: objective of corporate governance is other words, its purpose. Then business The first is in relation to law and not just to address the agency problem policy and practice should follow from regulation. Law, at present, we associ- of aligning managerial interests with and reinforce that purpose. ate with shareholder rights and the those of shareholders; corporate boards The purpose of business is not to fiduciary responsibilities of directors to are now also charged with ensuring that produce profits. The purpose of business promote the interests of shareholders. their companies give clear statements is to produce profitable solutions to the That’s a mistake. The law should aim of and then carry out their corporate problems of people and planet. Profits to promote corporate purpose and the purposes. It is the role of the board are produced as part of this process, but fiduciary responsibilities of directors to of directors to ensure that companies profits per se are not the purpose of do the same. make that commitment and have the business. Everyone who runs a success- We view regulation in a Friedman resources to make good on it. ful business knows that to be the case. context as setting forth and enforc-
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ing the rules of the game. But, again, as human, natural, and social assets. So, those four sets of policies around that should not be the primary aim of We should be measuring and recogniz- law and regulation, ownership and regulation. Regulation should instead ing expenditures on replenishing those governance, measurement and perfor- be designed to align corporate purposes assets as value-adding forms of invest- mance, and finance and investment are with public purposes in those compa- ment. And the profits of the companies the basis on which to bring about the nies where it’s appropriate to do so, in should be stated not just net of the cost desired change in business. None of particular in the case of utilities, infra- of physical capital, but net of the costs the proposed changes is radical; in fact, structure companies, private/public associated with maintaining human, many of them have already, in one form sector providers, and banks and audit- social, and natural capital. or another, been adopted. Consider, ing companies. In such institutions, it’s The final set of policies relate to for example, the creation of the public completely appropriate—and in fact finance and investment. In the past, benefit corporation, which has a stated critically important—to think about we have associated finance mainly with public purpose, alongside its commer- how one can align the private interests contractual arrangements between cial purpose. and purposes of companies with those suppliers and users of finance, partly The incorporation of licenses of the public interest. because the tax system favors debt over within statements of public purpose is A second set of policies relate to equity. But even when capital comes being seriously contemplated as a way ownership and governance. Owner- in the form of equity, it tends to be of addressing the problems associated ship today continues to be associated supplied mainly by dispersed share- with privatization to avoid the risk, with shareholders and, in particular, holders with whom it’s impossible for particularly in the U.K., of “renation- institutional shareholders. But owner- companies to have relationships. We alization.” The forms of ownership ship should be viewed as entailing not need to recognize that strong relation- that are required to produce relations just the rights of shareholders but their ships between investors and companies between companies and investors are responsibility and obligation to uphold are important both in the provision of commonplace around the world in the corporate purposes. There are many debt finance, particularly in the case of form of blockholders and, in particular, types of owners that are best suited to banks, and for companies seeking to family holdings. The corporate gover- performing that function in particular attract “relational” shareholders. nance reforms that I’ve just been talking circumstances. Examples are families, In so doing, we need to recognize about—those requiring board consid- foundations, employees, the state, as the potential importance and value of eration of social problems in corporate well as institutional investors. blockholders as well as dispersed share- decision-making—have already been Governance, as I just described it, holders. Moreover, corporate investment introduced in the U.K. has typically been associated with the depends not just on relationships with Lots of organizations have commit- agency problem of aligning manage- the private capital market, but also on ted themselves to measuring human, rial interests with the shareholders,’ but relationships with the public sector, social, and natural capital. There are as has been recognized in the recent because there are many areas–-partic- various ways of adjusting profits in corporate governance codes, the more ularly large, long-term infrastructure terms of, for example, impact invest- important, or overarching, goal may investment—where private capital ing that have been proposed. And the instead be aligning the interests of markets on their own are simply unable closer relationships between providers management with corporate purposes. to provide the types or amounts of of finance and users of finance is very The third set of policies relate to financing that companies need. much a feature of the way in which measurement and performance. At In such areas, it is especially impor- some banking systems operate, includ- the moment, we measure the finan- tant that there are strong relations of ing the close relationships between cial performance of companies by trust between government and business. private capital markets and public recognizing the costs of financial and It is there where the aligning of the sources of finance. This is important not material capital; but increasingly we’re interests of companies with the public just in terms of promoting the interests appreciating that what is actually interest is particularly important— of society and future generations, but more important in the 21st-century say, by including statements of public also in improving the performance of company are other forms of assets, such purpose in their charters or their articles. companies and their investments.
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I want to illustrate this point by sold, which customers they’re going been talking about in terms of a clearly introducing an example from the most to serve, and how the products are defined purpose, strong underlying troubled industry we’ve had during the marketed. What that does, of course, is values, a process of measuring perfor- last few years—namely, the banking to empower the branch and the branch mance in relation to human and social sector. But I am referring to one of the manager to make decisions. They don’t capital, and the relation of incentives to most successful banks in the world over have to refer decisions up all the time those measures of performance. It has a the past 20 or so years. It earned high in the organization. That allows those governance structure that is aligned with returns for its shareholders not only branch managers to build relations of the delivery of that corporate purpose before the financial crisis, but during trust with their customers, which gives in terms of the delegation of decision- and after the crisis. It’s one of the most rise to that observation of greater loyalty. making, and it has an ownership highly rated banks in the world. And it But what underpins the bank’s structure in which there are identifiable has one of the best credit ratings—and success with customers is the notion of “anchor” shareholders who are likely one of the best liquidity and solvency trust, of people working in the organi- to have the strongest interest in and ratios—of any bank in the world. zation, that allows that devolution and commitment to upholding that long- It’s also a bank with a clearly defined decentralization of decision-making. term purpose. purpose, a purpose that puts its custom- And what underpins that trust is a The significance of this arrange- ers first alongside the interests of its very strong set of values. Those values ment is in terms of the way in which employees—while at the same time it are firmly embedded in the people we conceptualize our notions of capital- also has an objective to be the lowest- who run those branches. The conse- ism. This is the point on which I want cost provider of any of its competitors. quences are that because of its more to draw this to a close. At present, we It’s succeeded in doing that for the past loyal customers, the bank has a more regard capitalism as an economic system 44 years. And it’s one of the fastest stable financial source. It therefore has of the means of private ownership of the growing banks in Britain. But it’s not a better financial performance and ratios means of production and their opera- British bank; it’s a Swedish bank—called than other banks. tion for profit, and we see ownership as Handelsbanken. One of the features But there’s a second interesting being a bundle of rights over the assets of this bank is that it has one of the feature associated with that element of of the firm that confers strong forms highest degrees of customer satisfaction, trust in the employees. It doesn’t pay its of authority on the possessors of those certainly of any bank in Britain, and in employees any bonuses. ownership rights. We view companies as most of Europe as well. We’re told all the time that you’ve nexuses of contracts that are managed And as one might expect, Handels- got to pay your employees a bonus. by boards of directors for the benefit of banken has inspired much greater Handelsbanken pays no bonus until their owners. loyalty among its customers. That’s a they retire at the age of 60—a truly That is a very coherent, internally reflection of what I was describing just long-term investment incentive—at consistent notion of capitalism; namely now as the reciprocal relations. Give, which stage they get a share in the private ownership for profit by owners and you will be given. What underpins profit-sharing scheme of the bank called that have strong forms of authority on this is the governance and the values of Oktogenen. other parties with whom it contracts. But the organization. The third interesting feature of there’s a parallel notion of what capital- One major underlying principle the bank is its ownership structure. ism is—that is, an economic and social behind the bank’s success is its devolved, It’s listed on the Swedish stock market. system whose mission is to produce decentralized decision-making down to It’s actively traded, but it has two profitable solutions for the problems the individual branches and avoiding dominant shareholders, one of which of people and planet by private and centralized control of the bank. Indeed is Oktogenen, which is the bank’s own public owners who do not profit from the bank’s mantra is; the branch is the profit-sharing scheme, and the other is producing problems for people or planet. bank. its Swedish industrial holding company Ownership is not just a bundle of rights, The branch manager makes called Industrivarden. but also a set of obligations and responsi- decisions about everything from the What this illustrates is that the bank bilities to uphold those purposes. pricing of products, what products are has exactly the principles that I’ve just Companies are not just nexuses
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of contracts. They’re also nexuses of of an alternative paradigm that is possi- rate governance debate over the years, relations of trust based on principles ble. And, to discuss that vision and to a world-class academic and a world- and values enshrined and upheld discuss the broader question of how we class lawyer, announcing the need for a by the board of directors. Now that go about building a counternarrative, radical change in the way we do business notion of capitalism is also a coherent, we have a remarkable panel to round out in order to avoid a populist apocalypse. self-contained idea—one that’s about what has been a great start to the day. I really can’t remember a similar conver- solving problems by owners and boards We’re going to start with Ron sation where the stakes are claimed to of directors who are committed to the Gilson, who is the Marc and Eva be so high—maybe hostile takeovers in solution of those problems by building Stern Professor of Law and Business the ’80s and activist investors now, but up relations of trust with other parties. at Columbia Law School and Meyers these claims always reflected a signifi- What aligns the private interest Professor of Law and Business emeritus cant amount of hype—and we’re going of companies with the public inter- at Stanford Law School. Ron is also a to have the conversation with just the est, according to the traditional model Senior Fellow at the Stanford Institute right people. For that reason alone, our of capitalism, is a combination of of Economic Policy Research, a Fellow discussion should be fascinating. competitive product markets, labor of both the American Academy of Arts I’m going to address, in my Warhol markets, and financial markets—and, & Sciences and of the European Corpo- moment, both Colin’s presentation and in cases where markets fail, regulation. rate Governance Institute, and he was its compatibility with the work that But what underpins the need for this one of the reporters of the American Marty has done in his “New Paradigm.” alternative view that I’m talking about Law Institute’s Corporate Governance My focus will be on three general points. is that between market efficiency and Project. Ron’s academic work focuses The first is to ask whether in fact Colin regulatory effectiveness, there is a void; on the law and economics of corpo- and Marty have the issues framed right. and this void is increasingly becoming rate governance and acquisitions, along The second is how do we get from these a chasm as technology accelerates, and both comparative and domestic dimen- broad statements of principles to the as evidence proliferates of both market sions, and on the economic structure of claimed better place. The third is a more failures and government failures. transactions and complex contracting, general and more troubling problem: In that void we rely on business including venture capital contracting. does the link between managerialism to transform our private self-interest and the defense of capitalism against into collective, communal interest in a Legal and Political Challenges to the populist hordes confuse corporate common purpose. To do that we depend Corporate Purpose governance and real governance? on the trustworthiness of companies to Ron Gilson: Thank you, Kathryn. I’ll start with Colin’s remarks. uphold and contribute to that sense of Following Colin is always a difficult role; Colin tells us that we require a “radical purpose. Trust is one of the most impor- the combination of a spectacular presen- reinterpretation” of the nature of the tant and largely unrecognized assets of tation style and equally interesting ideas corporation. That reinterpretation companies, because ultimately a trust- is bound to give you a sense of sweep- involves each company’s board creating a worthy corporation is a commercially ing up after elephants. But that said, I sacred text that sets out the corporation’s successful corporation and the compet- very much appreciate the opportunity purpose in some larger way—something itiveness of nations depends on the to participate in this panel. Sweeping between a little red book and a mission trustworthiness of its corporations—for up after elephants is an important task. statement—whose end is to cause the the prosperity of the many, not just for As I expect will be repeated through- company, through the exercise of craft- the few, and for the future as well as the out the day, this is a very unusual ing such a statement, to focus on the present. Thank you very much. moment in corporate governance. way the company’s business and its Colin’s presentation and, soon to come, interests interact with broader social Kathryn Judge: Thanks, Colin. And Marty Lipton’s provide perspectives on a policy. Under current circumstances, for those of you who haven’t read it, set of issues that are as important as any I Colin tells us, neither the sharehold- Colin’s book does a remarkable job of can recall in my 40-some years of study- ers nor current corporate governance laying out, in much greater detail than ing corporate governance. Here we have practice succeed in aligning corporate what we’ve just heard, a coherent vision two leading participants in the corpo- and social interests.
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y simple prediction is that large institutions… will shift their M indexed holdings to the most socially responsible manager… and they’ll take a little bit of reduction in return because that in fact is what the managers of their beneficiaries want… [T]he result will be to shift… to a different set of activists. One set was after money— and maybe you can make a deal with those people. The other is driven by principle, which is harder to compromise. If my concern… proves right, the problem then is less socialism… but rather an activist-driven Green New Deal. – Ron Gilson
Marty, as I understand the motiva- on management decision-making, even shareholder can hold. Here the problem tion for the New Paradigm, is pretty if management gets to define them. is the framing of the dilemma that has much on the same page. Marty puts it But this difference in formal imple- brought us here today: in a period of well when he says, “Capitalism is at an mentation isn’t critical, I think, because genuine and warranted concern about inflection point.” And in another nicely Colin’s formal reinterpretation of the income inequality, the idea of concen- turned statement, he says, “The prioriti- board’s duties to require a statement of trating control of major corporations zation of the wealth of shareholders at the broad purpose is effectively unenforce- in a small number of families or in expense of every other stakeholder has able other than through ownership. management is not an issue of just given rise to a deepening inequality and To be sure, Colin floats the idea that a corporate governance. It’s an issue of populism that today threaten capitalism fiduciary duty can be imposed on direc- real governance. In the U.S., we assign from both the right and the left.” tors to follow the corporate statement distributional decisions to those who The New Paradigm is Marty’s of purpose—and that, if the board does are politically accountable for them, response to this pincer threat to not pursue that purpose, courts will and allocational decisions to those capitalism. He envisions an implicit intervene to decide whether the balance who are disciplined by the market. partnership between corporate gover- among shareholders and other stake- Putting control over distributional nance and stewardship. An implicit holders was struck correctly. I expect decisions in boards of directors that, partnership, of course, is not a partner- that this proposition will strike every however diverse along other dimen- ship at all; it’s a group of people who corporate lawyer in the room as utterly sions, are made up of older rich people have shared interests and voluntarily act implausible—Colin’s fiduciary duty is a who are accountable to no one hardly in ways that reflect that overlap—people business judgment-style standard that is seems like a response that will placate my age will recall Kurt Vonnegut’s highly unlikely to have any bite. the populists. At any rate, dealing with concept of a “karrass” in Cat’s Cradle. And that leads us to where Colin’s distributional issues requires thinking That kind of partnership will allow talk ended—namely, to the structure about how we run our democracy, business to address what for Marty and of corporate ownership, and to Colin’s not our corporate democracy, and is Colin is the real culprit—one that we attraction to families and other kinds hardly going to be resolved by changes all know well from the rhetoric of the of controlling blockholders. Colin in corporate governance. Put bluntly, last 10 years: corporate “short-termism.” notes that two management-related neither Colin’s radical reinterpretation Here Marty’s view differs at the shareholders hold 20+% of Handels- nor Marty’s new paradigm will placate edges from Colin’s. Marty typically has bank’s voting power with a charter Jeremy Corbyn in the U.K. or Bernie not favored imposing legal restrictions limit of 10% on the votes any single Sanders in the U.S.
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I now want to come back to Colin balancing short-term and long-term work. The result was the American and Marty’s framing of what seems to considerations when managing compa- Law Institute’s “Principles of Corpo- be the underlying problem: the curse nies is a very difficult task, maybe the rate Governance,” which turned out of corporate short-termism. Each of greatest challenge facing managements to be a way to marginalize Schwartz’s them I think has it half right. Markets and boards. And for investors, distin- effort. Academics understood what was sometimes lack information that guishing between shortsighted and happening. If something’s going on that management has but cannot easily well-disciplined managements—and you don’t like, what’s the answer? We share with the market, and so can cause between farsighted companies and those study it. If we study it long enough, the management to choose an investment for whom the payoff will never material- Hirschman cycle runs—as it did in the horizon that is too short. But such ize—is often impossible. case of federal incorporation. market myopia is only one side of the With that setup, what do we make So the puzzle today is this: On problem. The other half is that manage- of this joint Anglo-Saxon refram- both sides of the Atlantic, there’s been ments can also be “hyperopic” when ing of corporate governance? Albert a Hirschman-like swing of the pendu- assessing the promise and value of their Hirschman is the author of what is lum toward public interests. What’s current strategy. widely viewed as the most important going on? Here I offer just a specula- Governance, whether it’s a radical piece of informal corporate governance tion—or more, really, a question to both reinterpretation or a new paradigm, scholarship. It’s a book called Exit, Colin and Marty. On Colin’s side of the confronts a single core problem. When Voice, and Loyalty. Near the beginning, Atlantic, one can’t help but note the we’re operating through a board and Hirschman asks: “How do I identify sharp difference between Colin’s radical through management, how does the when, in the face of a poorly perform- reinterpretation of corporate law and board distinguish between two cases: ing organization, when we should leave, Jeremy Corbyn’s and the Labour Party’s where the market lacks manage- when we should yell, and when we approach to the same set of issues. ment’s private information, and so should stay?” Labor’s agenda, as I read the short-termism is likely to be the Getting this question right is, as I newspaper accounts, is renationaliza- problem—and where management is suggested, one of the biggest challenges tion, worker representation on corporate holding what amounts to an out-of-the- facing boards. And so I want to direct boards, limits on dividend payments, money call option on their career and so you to a different Hirschman book that and some other pretty intrusive initia- behaves just the way that option pricing speaks to the set of issues that Colin tives. Colin’s proposal of requiring a theory predicts—that is, the value of and Marty talk about: that business has corporate purpose beyond maximizing management’s position is increased by dug itself so deep a hole that we can’t profits seems radically more favor- extending the option’s duration, making climb out of it without making social able to management. I have no idea, the argument that if their shareholders interests an integral part of corporate though Colin may, about any corre- are patient and give them more time, the governance. The book is called Shift- spondence between the timing of the expected payoffs will materialize. ing Involvements: Private Interest and British Academy project and Corbyn’s The old General Motors and GE Public Involvement. There Hirschman succession to Labour Party leadership. currently provide examples of such lays out an endogenous, long cycle in We see the same thing on our side of hyperopia. A third example is closer which public concern shifts back and the Atlantic. Senator Warren’s Account- to home for me: PG&E deferring forth between private interests and the able Capitalism Act that Marty refers maintenance of transmission lines and public interest. to essentially covers much of the same so providing Northern California both To illustrate the working of ground as, and shares many of the electricity and fires. So, we also have this cycle, I remind us of one piece aspirations of, Corbyn and the Labour evidence of managerial skewed beliefs of history. Long ago in a galaxy far Party. about the future payoffs from their away—Marty will remember it—people Let me close by talking about the current strategies. became concerned that the efforts of a feasibility of the two presentations. Both myopia and hyperopia are Georgetown academic named Donald Focusing on feasibility is not to deny important problems. And in some Schwartz to persuade Congress to the power of the underlying theme, but cases, identifying them isn’t hard. But federalize corporate law might actually rather to think about how we might get
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from here to there. I’ve mentioned my voting for ESG-based proxy proposals argued positions is not about the goals concern with Colin’s framing—that to accommodate the perceived prefer- they hold up—it’s how do we reach the courts won’t enforce it, and that ences of their own beneficiaries; the them. A different, but more realis- the concerns of populists are not likely fund managers think such voting will tic answer is just better management. to be met by creating an even more attract asset flows, and this behavior— Take Costco, a big box store that treats unequal distribution of power within which is not necessarily consistent with its employees well but still competes the country. Marty’s solution, as one value maximization by companies or extremely well against Sam’s Club, might expect from a very good lawyer, is their investors—is an example of what which does not. There is more than one more technical. Here I will just suggest Jeff Gordon and I call the “agency costs way to run a company; and if we can that the real question being asked by the of agency capitalism.” do a better job of persuading institu- New Paradigm isn’t a matter of corpo- Point Four: The three largest index tions that good managers, rather than rate governance; it’s really a matter of holders have different records with short-sighted (or excessively optimistic) asset management. respect to voting on climate change. managers, are what we want, we may do For example, Exxon has tried to Vanguard is the least climate friendly. better than radical reinterpretations and keep off the ballot an institutional BlackRock’s somewhere in the middle. new paradigms. investor-backed proxy proposal requir- State Street is much more friendly. And ing greater disclosure of the impact of the differences are not insignificant. Judge: That was great, Ron, thanks. climate change on Exxon’s business. The Point Five: My simple prediction is Last but certainly far from least is proponents included a sovereign wealth that large institutions who are the index Marty Lipton, founding partner of fund with $1.2 trillion under manage- funds’ customers will shift their indexed Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, who ment. Although $1.2 trillion sounds like holdings to the most socially responsi- advises major corporations on mergers a lot, it’s actually not. There’s another ble manager—that is, the manager that and acquisitions and matters affecting group, Climate Action 100+, with votes the way the 323 institutions in the corporate policy and strategy. Marty 323 institutional investors as members Climate 100+ want; and they’ll take a is the author of The New Paradigm— that in the aggregate have assets under little bit of reduction in return because A Roadmap for an Implicit Corporate management of $32 trillion. That that in fact is what the managers of their Governance and Stewardship Partner- number can be significant if there is an beneficiaries want. ship, which argues that corporations issue that joins that group—that makes Point Six: The result will be to shift and shareholders can forge a meaningful them an implicit partnership. And that the shareholder activists that Marty and and successful private-sector solution to does concern me. Colin have been concerned about for attacks by short-term financial activists. I have six points of concern. the past ten or fifteen years to a differ- Point One: The first point starts by ent set of activists. One set was after Some Thoughts on The New noting that the business of the three money—and maybe you can make a Paradigm large index holders is pretty straightfor- deal with those people. The other is Marty Lipton: Thanks, Kathryn. When ward. Profitability depends on massive driven by principle, which is harder to I listened to Ira’s introduction, I said to economies of scale, and hence on compromise. If my concern about the myself, it’s only people of our age—Ira’s attracting assets. way institutional investors will push and mine—who are able to realize that Point Two: Asset flows in the index money managers to vote proves right, this discussion has actually been going fund industry, in contrast to active the problem then is less socialism, on for a very long time, and that most management, don’t depend on the whatever the term means these days, of the major issues are still not settled. managers’ performance because perfor- but rather an activist-driven Green New And I’m not quite sure how we’re going mance by definition does not differ Deal. However, good shareholders are to settle them. Ron Gilson, as you might among competitors in terms of returns at one thing or another, and design- expect, pretty much summed up my (only in terms of fees), and the price ing cost-effective responses to climate views exactly as I would state them, so differentials are marginal. change probably isn’t one of them. I won’t repeat what he has said about Point Three: A large and growing That said, I’ll stop. But, again, my them. Ron was also right in saying that amount of institutional assets have been concern with two enormously well my views pretty much coincide with
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o what do we do about all of this? One overriding concern of S mine has been regulation and legislation. It seems to me that the history of the world has shown that, as you increase the amount of legislation and regulation, and you move away from competi- tive market determination of these basic economic issues, you move toward and even encourage a totalitarian approach to government and its concomitant, economic failure. – Marty Lipton
Colin’s, and that Colin has written a the organizations that have been estab- economic failure. If you look at the truly unique and magnificent book. lished have aimed to focus capital on the history of socialism and communism Let’s start with the amazing scope of long term. Consider, for example, the from their beginnings to the present, the book. Like the history of the corpo- Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism—or you see either failure and abandonment ration, the book really does start 2,000 some of the older organizations like the of socialism, or the rise of totalitarian years ago and work its way up to not Council of Institutional Investors and governments that become only more just the current time, but even extends ISS—and I could spend the rest of my extreme over time. Even as in the case into the future. I think that if we’re ever ten minutes just listing these organiza- of China 30 years ago, when a new going to solve the problems that we’ve tions and their goals and proposals. regime comes in aiming to create a been discussing, this book is going to And the law reviews are replete market economy, it often doesn’t take provide the basis, or the framework, with articles calling for and offering long before you end up with a totalitar- for solving them. Now, I’m not saying blueprints for fundamental changes in ian regime. that the book has provided definitive corporate governance. In fact, I got my And with that sense in mind, I’ve answers to our problems; but there’s first major lesson in dealing with law always felt that it’s important to try and no question that the book—and the reviews in 1979. I wrote an article that solve the problems without government comments of Colin and Ron and Mats flew in the face of the Chicago school regulation. Ron aptly made reference to this morning—do a great job of identi- of economics, and they’ve been after me Ralph Nader and that point in time. fying and articulating all the important ever since—with my detractors urging The issue back then was not corpo- issues. So, we’re no longer dealing with me to recant, or at least defend, my rate governance. It was really about something where we don’t understand arguments, and my admirers urging me antitrust; and the debate ended up what the issues are. What we’ve come to write more articles. without any conclusions or resolution. to recognize is that we are dealing with So what do we do about all of this? But the ALI spent the next 13 years pretty complicated issues that are very One overriding concern of mine has mulling things over, and accomplish- difficult to resolve in ways that end up been regulation and legislation. It seems ing absolutely nothing. I have the two satisfying the majority—hopefully the to me that the history of the world volumes on my office shelf there; and vast majority—of people. has shown that, as you increase the if you remove all the dust, you’d find a But clearly we have not reached that amount of legislation and regulation, bright blue cover. But no one ever looks point of agreement or consensus—in and you move away from competitive at them anymore. fact, it’s just the opposite. I’m not sure I market determination of these basic Now there’s a new effort underway. can count all of the new paradigms that economic issues, you move toward and Ed Rock is going to try and do a restate- have been proposed in the last half dozen even encourage a totalitarian approach ment of corporate governance, and I’m years to address the problem. Some of to government and its concomitant, sure it will turn out to be an excellent
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work. But I have my doubts that it ity of shareholders and investors, I’d say institutions. And so my thesis should will solve any of these problems. And there are still major disagreements. To discuss the changes in corporate law I should confess that I have the same me, it seems clear that the concept of that had to take place to accommodate doubts about my own New Paradigm. stewardship holds the key to solving this movement. As I mentioned, there are a lot of the problem. Take Elizabeth Warren’s Well, I failed. So instead of going organizations and propositions. I wrote stakeholder bill. Basically what it does back to NYU to be a corporate law a proposal for the World Economic is to impose classic stakeholder gover- professor, I ended up practicing law. But Forum a few years ago called the New nance on corporations with a billion every time I see Jack Coffee, I promise Paradigm that focused on the issues dollars or more in revenue each year. to send him a bundle of the articles I’ve of corporate governance and investor The problem with that solution is that, written since then, and I expect him to stewardship. Although it was published unless the shareholders—who today send me my degree. I have sent him the in September of 2016 and handed out own approximately 80% of all large articles, but he hasn’t sent me the degree. at forum in Davos in January of 2017, it corporations—support the principles hasn’t gotten much of a hearing. of stewardship, you’re not accomplish- Questions from the Audience: Since then, a relatively new group of ing very much. Judge: As much as I would love to take major investors and large corporations If BlackRock and State Street and moderator’s privilege, I think it’s impor- called the Investor Stewardship Group Vanguard all come out and say, we’re tant we have a little time for questions has encouraged me to come out with an for purpose and culture, we agree with from the audience. updated version of the New Paradigm. all of this, but then continue to vote for Like the first version, the revised New proposals by activist hedge funds, then Michael Graetz: There are at least three Paradigm consists of principles for we don’t accomplish anything. And important changes that have happened both corporate governance and inves- that’s what’s happened. There’s nothing since Milton Friedman announced what tor stewardship, and principles meant to new in the New Paradigm, and there’s you’ve described as his rule; and none guide engagements of and interactions really nothing new in the last 30 years. of the speakers has emphasized any of between corporate boards and investors. But the competitive features of the them. I think each of them has made All of these principles are consistent investment management business have the problem harder and the solutions with those you heard about from Colin essentially prevented a real resolution more elusive. earlier: purpose, commitment, trustwor- of the problem. Unless we can get the One is that the markets have thiness, and culture. I think we can all major investment institutions to buy become ever more global under circum- agree that those are the issues that we’re into supporting purpose and culture, stances where the rules remain largely dealing with and need to be solved. And we will not solve the problem. national. The second is that the share- I continue to believe that we can solve Kristin just held up a zero to me, holder ownership of public companies them. which either means I’m out of time— has actually become global, and is For example, there is not much or my whole approach to this was a becoming ever more global over time. dispute today about what corporate zero, and I should leave knowing that The third, which I think is really most boards and corporate management I have failed. I failed once before here important in raising the concerns that should do. There have been arguments in Columbia. I came here in 1955 as are leading to these proposals, is that about that over the past 30 years, and a teaching fellow to get a JSD degree business—at least in the U.S.—has they’ve all been resolved. Almost every studying under Adolf Berle. I arrived become politically dominant in a way it major corporation today pretty much with great enthusiasm—and Mr. Berle was not when Friedman made his rule, follows a set of corporate governance was really a terrific person. He had only or when the ALI was really studying the principles that everybody else—whether one fault. He insisted that he would first time. they believe the principles or not— accept no thesis other than one that Management has been effective seems willing, or at least resigned, to discussed the changes in corporate in seeking benefits for its sharehold- follow. So there’s not much debate going law that would result from the fact ers not only in the marketplace, but on now about board responsibilities. that shareholdings were moving from in the political realm. And this success But in the case of the responsibil- individuals into pension funds and has exacerbated the maldistribution of
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income and wealth, since the share- more ethically. But the reality is that Sixty years of research on the subject holders are mostly in the top part of Bosch has clearly been implicated in the has produced absolutely no conclusion the income distribution. This creates Volkswagen emissions scandals, and it’s on the subject. So I couldn’t possibly a particular frustration that can be now pled in the Fiat Chrysler scandals. argue that that is the central underpin- expressed in only electoral, but not legis- In fact, Bosch seems to have been the ning of the book. Short-termism is not lative politics; it’s in the legislative arena entity that spread the emissions fraud all what it’s talking about. It’s talking about where the businesses are dominant, not across the auto industry. And this leads contractual failure, regulatory failure, in the electoral arena. And this risk me to think that even if companies are governance failure. associated with electoral politics adds to privately held and therefore more closely The book also does not say that all the risks that Colin and others have bound to long-term interests—at least family ownership is the solution, or even described. in theory—such entities may not be desirable. Indeed, I say that I don’t expect And I’m not sure that Colin’s notion particularly interested in acting ethically that family ownership will be revived in of corporate purpose would really trans- if it gets in the way of profit. Britain, which I cite as a country that form the role of business in the political So this tees up this issue: How do we has very effectively extinguished family realm. Maybe it would, depending on exert and maintain pressure for corporate ownership. what the purpose was. For that reason, it purpose in the absence of shareholder On the other hand, I do think the seems to me that limiting business influ- primacy, or at least shareholder pressure, first question about the increasingly ence in the legislative arena should be which we’re talking about as being a global nature of markets and sharehold- somehow worked into the statement of source rather than potential solution to ers becoming more global is extremely purpose for that to happen. the problem? It doesn’t make sense to go important. That development is giving back to something that’s totally private rise to the phenomenon of the “universal Lipton: The problem I see with your unless we can figure out how to maintain owner”—the idea that we all collectively, proposal is the beginning of state corpo- pressure for purpose and ethical action in by virtue of our holdings in investment ratism. It’s the problem we really want to that sphere. firms like Vanguard and BlackRock, hold avoid. As you get companies into govern- So, Colin what would be the struc- the entire global portfolio. As univer- ment, you encourage government to tural mechanisms that could bring the sal owners and global indexers, we’re get into companies. I think one of our ideas of “companies” back into the not influenced, or even much inter- mutual objectives is to avoid state corpo- corporation and not allow the kind of ested, in the performance of individual ratism, because it does lead ultimately to abuses that we are still seeing in private stocks. We’re interested in managing the totalitarian government. companies? systemic risks—that is, the political risks, the environmental risks, the trade protec- Josephine Nelson: Colin, you mentioned Mayer: Before I respond to that question, tion and regulatory risks. Those risks are the value of closer relationships between let me thank everyone here for a tremen- the things that move the stock markets investors and companies, providers of dous set of comments and observations and the indices. capital and users of capital, and how throughout. What that basically says is that differ- that’s likely to encourage long-term And to start with the panel, let me ent kinds of ownership perform different investment. respond to Ron’s really very well articu- functions. The role of index funds is For example, you hold up the lated retort to precisely what the book extremely important in allowing you and relationship banking of Handelsban- doesn’t say. If you look at the index, me to incur very low transaction costs ken as a model. But, in the book, you it doesn’t mention the word “short- when investing in equities around the also mention Bosch, one of the largest termism” or “myopia” or any equivalent; world, and by so doing, allow companies private corporations in the world, as and that is because the book doesn’t talk to raise capital on economic terms. At the a particular example of where a trust about short-termism. And that’s because same time, the shareholder activists play owns a corporation and therefore it’s a I’m not sure I believe that short-termism a very important role in terms of provid- private entity. In theory, private entities is a problem; at the very least, I don’t ing precisely the interest in individual are supposed to be more interested in think we know how to identify and corporate performance that the universal long-term profits, and so should act measure short-termism. owners don’t.
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But because that interest is short- more global, their impacts on society ated with a separation of business and term by its nature, it is extremely are not just national in nature. They government, requires a close relation- important that we have anchor block- too are global, not simply because they ship between government and business in holders that provide the third form of are multinationals, but because their the provision of so-called “public” goods ownership, which has interest in individ- products are now global. Think Google. such as education and health, and large- ual companies that is long term in nature. Think Facebook. The implication here is scale, long-term infrastructure. That may take the form of families, but is that traditional government mechanisms I’d just like to end by addressing the increasingly taking other forms. Particu- are not well positioned to deal with the question that Professor Nelson raised larly promising are engaged institutional challenges to privacy and anti-compet- about how one reconciles trustworthy investors, such as the Canadian pension itive concerns that such companies business with corporate scandals and funds and some sovereign wealth funds present. whether private ownership is the appro- that hold large blocks in individual The second feature of change has priate solution. The evidence that comes companies. been that the assets of companies have from surveys of trust in family business The book talks about the benefits altered completely from being predomi- suggests that they are more trusted of diversity of ownership, and the need nantly tangible assets to essentially than other types of firms. In particu- for that diversity to correspond with the intangible assets today. That means lar, employee satisfaction appears to be purposes of companies. In the U.K., that those assets are not predominantly greater in family than other businesses. partly through misguided regulation, material. They are embodied in forms of Employees feel more cared for, better we’ve extinguished blockholders by human, social, and natural capital. The treated and valued; and, as a consequence, making it basically impossible for them implication of this is to turn the tradi- they are more committed, devoted, and to continue their control of companies. tional view about legitimacy on its head; motivated—a further example of recipro- The notion that my book is in any way that is, the legitimacy that was derived cal benefits, of give and be given. aligned with what Jeremy Corbyn is from the property rights over the assets Nevertheless, there is one respect in proposing is wrong; it’s exactly what of the firm is becoming irrelevant as which family firms appear to underper- Jeremy Corbyn is not proposing. The companies are increasingly dependent on form and that is in regard to their wider current Labour Party is probably the least human, social, and natural capital; and contribution to society. They seem to likely political body to adopt the sugges- instead corporate responsibilities to such view their employees and local commu- tions in this book. forms of capital—not their rights—have nities as part of their wider families, but I thought that Mats’ comments really grown. that does not extend to society and the got to the central issues around what I And that brings us to the role of environment more generally. would view as matters of “legitimacy”— government in performing these public So I do not see family firms or private legitimacy about what companies should functions and, as Mats put it, promoting firms in general as a panacea, and I do be doing and what ownership should be freedom. The trouble with the conven- not believe that we will see a return to about. Our current views on ownership tional view of freedom is that, while large-scale family ownership in Britain. are that legitimacy derives essentially competitive markets are important, it Instead, we should look to reform in from a property rights view of the firm— also requires another element, which public equity markets through more that owners are owners of the assets of the Marty very correctly referred to in terms long-term, engaged institutional investors firm in the same way as they own any of the capabilities of people to exercise as a way of addressing their deficiencies. other property. And that confers those choice effectively. And there are some encouraging signs strong rights as well as serious responsi- The ability to exercise choice derives that this is beginning to happen. bilities on owners in the way in which I from people’s ability to maintain not just describe them. their purchasing power over commodi- Bresnahan: Thank you to our panelists But, again, as the first questioner ties but also the relationships that are for their open discussion of this critical observed, there have been very substan- involved in terms of their delivery and topic. We’ll look forward to hearing from tial developments in three dimensions. people’s fulfillment of what they see as all of them as we continue to explore The first is that, because companies their own purposes. Defined as such, the these themes at the Millstein Center. have become much larger, and much freedom that is conventionally associ-
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SESSION II: CAPITALISM AND SOCIAL INSURANCE
Columbia Law School | New York City | March 1, 2019
Merritt Fox Jeff Gordon Michael E. Patterson Richard Paul Richman Professor of Law; Professor of Law and Co-Director, Center for Law Co-Director, Millstein Center, and Economic Studies; Columbia Law School Co-Director, The Program in the Law and Economics of Capital Markets, Columbia Law School
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Merritt Fox: I’m Merritt Fox, Professor which no single firm is able to offer thick the firm, suggests that forces outside of Law at the Columbia Law School, enough insurance, including income the shareholder body might be given a and it’s my pleasure to introduce Jeff preservation insurance, to compensate governance role. Gordon, who, as Kristin told you earlier, workers, especially aging workers, for the The focus of my talk is economic is the Richard Paul Richman Professor shrinking job security associated with insecurity, which I think we all under- of Law and Co-Director of the Millstein technological change and obsolescence. stand to be of great importance. Center for Global Markets and Corporate So, to me the big question here is: Presumably there is a strong corporate Ownership at Columbia Law School. Jeff What is the right form of government governance feature to the risk of downsiz- is also a Fellow of the European Corpo- match for the economy we have? I devel- ing and layoffs. By contrast, although rate Governance Institute. And as you oped some of my thinking on this in an inequality is also a serious problem, I know, he and Kristin have been the spark- article in the British Academy Journal think that corporate governance plays plugs in organizing this conference. issue that Colin put together, and I’ll try a secondary role in its creation and to summarize that thinking here. persistence. Although Thomas Piketty’s Jeff Gordon: Thanks, Merritt. This talk is, research identified executive compensa- to some extent, responsive to Colin, but Diagnosing the Problem tion as a major source of inequality, I it will come at things from a somewhat As I see it, the current malaise consists think the more fundamental sources of different angle. The question I want to of three elements: inequality, economic inequality are quite different. They relate raise is whether “corporate governance” insecurity, and slow economic growth. to the structural changes in the nature of as we’ve been discussing it is capable of Corporate governance has to do with the work and the different ways that some playing the important role in addressing way power is exercised within the firm. firms succeed, and some do not. social problems that we’ve assigned to it. Although the legal framework of corpo- David Autor’s work, for example, on And so, unlike Colin, I want to start by rate governance has remained stable over the “superstar firm” shows huge inequal- asking whether, or to what extent, the a very long period of time, the impli- ity across companies in the pay of people social challenges we face can be dealt with cations—or the actual workings and with the same jobs. The secretaries at at the level of the firm—that is by specific effectiveness—of that framework have Google, for example, would be extremely corporations and their boards. This was, varied greatly during the 40 or so years well paid. Their wages would be not only I think, the basic assumption of what we I’ve been in this business. And what’s much higher than those of most secretar- heard this morning. become clear to me during this period ies across the Bay Area, but also probably The alternative perspective is that is that these changes in governance are a good deal higher than those of the the fundamental issues are more clearly at bottom a function of major changes middle managers of many smaller public viewed as the economic and social effects in corporate ownership. The dispersed companies in the area. More generally, of a dynamic and global market economy ownership of the Berle-Means corpora- the high compensation that tech firms in which companies operate and are tion of yesteryear gave managers effective pay their armies of software engineers forced to compete. Rather than focusing control. In those days, collective action has exacerbated the sense of “inequality” on the firm as the unit of greatest concern, problems muted shareholder voice. throughout the Bay Area. And along with and assuming that companies themselves Today, the re-concentration of ownership Autor, I would argue that the compen- are responsible for, say, retraining workers into the hands of institutional investors sation consequences of disparate levels whose skills have become obsolete, whose means that shareholder activism can effec- of economic success across firms and “human capital” has depreciated, I think tively challenge managerial prerogative. industries is a more profound driver the real issue is one of social insurance, So, it’s the interaction between the legal of inequality than high levels of CEO of ensuring that we have the right form framework and ownership that creates the compensation or rewarding corporate of government “match” to ensure the corporate governance environment. efforts to increase profits by controlling preservation and, where possible, the Corporate governance is very labor costs. And so, from this perspective, reinvigorating of human potential over much in the news. Senator Warren’s addressing inequality is not fundamen- the lifetime of employees. Designing proposal for codetermination—that tally a corporate governance issue. and implementing this kind of insur- is, significant labor representation on In a YouTube video that went viral, ance is critically important in a dynamic boards—was mentioned earlier. Colin’s Dutch historian Rutger Bregman told a economy like ours—an economy in book, which focuses on the purpose of Davos audience that the way to address
Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 27 ROUNDTABLE inequality is “taxes”—particularly, estate U.S. turn toward economic nationalism companies are funded and managed, is taxes—and all the rest is beside the and neo-mercantilism by the Trump the mechanism by which those external point. Estate taxes are the way to address administration surely disrupts long-term market pressures are transmitted to their inequality, not a focus on firm level planning and investment. employees. And this creates the economic decision-making. It also seems to me that many politi- insecurity that, as I’m suggesting, is not so Similarly, I don’t think that “corpo- cians who attack buybacks are really much a governance as a social insurance rate governance” has much to say looking for companies to provide a kind issue. It’s not something that companies about slow economic growth, though of Keynesian stimulus—that is, a way can address acting alone. purported corporate governance defects to drive the economy by spending not So the resulting policy prescrip- have been blamed. Assertions that stock government funds, but more shareholder tion focuses on the need for a new buybacks produce cutbacks in R&D capital, to promote a boom. Whether match between government and enter- and prevent significant investments that shareholders get a competitive return prise—one that recognizes the role of would promote an economic boom are on that investment is the least of politi- government, perhaps in collaboration contradicted by the careful marshalling of cians’ concerns—though it does seem with the private sector, in renewing evidence by Jesse Fried and Charles Wang to matter to shareholders. In short, the human potential as a lifetime concern. in a recent issue of the Harvard Business rate of economic growth turns on factors Once upon a time, government financed Review and related work. Their research other than firm-specific levers of corpo- education K through eight. In the U.S., indicates that buybacks occur predomi- rate governance. the “high school” movement of a century nantly in those economic sectors where So, again, I think economic insecu- ago expanded that to K through 12 and, the ROI is low, meaning that managers rity is really where the deep issues lie here eventually, through the state educa- (and companies) are returning money to in the U.S. In this country, when you lose tion systems and federal subsidies, to K the shareholders because they don’t have your job, you’re cut off from the social through 16. Companies could presum- good investments to make on their own. network. You lose not just the income ably provide that initial training—but There are of course other expla- stream, but the entire system of social they don’t, because it’s inefficient and nations for this slow growth. Robert welfare and insurance that is effectively because we expect government to play Gordon, for example, argues that the supplied and funded by, and run through, that role. really big inventions—like electric- the company and the workplace. And Well, given that companies operat- ity—aren’t going to happen again. And needless to say, that’s a real loss. ing in the dynamic economy of today are alongside something like the invention So if there’s a big idea here, it’s that not able to provide the kind of insurance of automobiles, the Internet just doesn’t the present environment has produced they once did, it seems to me that the really cut it. But from casual conversa- what I call the “great risk shift.” There’s right move is to think about more effec- tion, I think many business executives been a risk shift away from the share- tive ways for governments to extend the don’t share Gordon’s pessimism. holders, who now can and do diversify match they provide enterprise, towards One plausible argument focuses on away all firm-specific and idiosyncratic maintaining lifetime human potential, in the negative effect on growth of erratic risks, and toward employees and all the building and sustaining human capital. government policy, which can make it other stakeholders who benefit from And I want to be clear that this is not difficult for companies to contemplate and indeed depend on the existence primarily a redistribution of wealth. significant investments with long-term and stability of particular corporations. There’s obviously some element here of payoffs. For example, the fiscal auster- The result of this dynamic, as mediated using some of the gains from workplace ity policies that were widely followed through corporate governance, has been flexibility and ensuring that people after the outbreak of the financial crisis to shift risk from shareholders onto the displaced by it get compensated to some exacerbated and prolonged the Great employees, who are far less able to bear extent. But much more than redistri- Recession in the U.S. and Western that risk and insure against it. Employee bution, it’s first and foremost a more Europe; during those years, companies payoffs are firm-specific; not so for the effective allocation of social resources focused on survival not expansion. Four diversified shareholder. Companies are designed to increase social wealth, the years ago, we weren’t sure if the euro was subject to strong pressure from product size of the overall pie that ends up getting going to survive; what’s the right payoff and capital markets; and corporate divided by all corporate stakeholders. The horizon facing that risk? And the abrupt governance, viewed as the way that economic rationale for “layoffs,” after
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he right move is to think about more effective ways for T governments to extend the match they provide enterprise [with K-12 or K-16 education] towards maintaining lifetime human potential, in building and sustaining human capital. – Jeff Gordon all, is that they preserve or increase value one way that diversified investors can act by, say, charging higher interest rates or by preventing companies from wasting to reduce the level of systematic risk. So insisting on lower leverage. The manag- resources—potentially valuable human if you think that some system of broader ers of the firm can also adjust; after all, capital—that might be put to higher- social insurance, particularly this mainte- we pay them in stock-based pay, which value uses. nance of human potential over a lifetime, encourages them to take these risks. That at least is the theory of is part of not only increasing expected Increasing managers’ upside will thus “constructive” layoffs, if you will. But in returns across the portfolio or across the make them risk-neutral or even risk- the modern economy with technological economy, but also at mitigating a certain seeking. But it’s the employees who change and obsolescence, layoffs tend to sort of political risk, then the question is, are unable to adjust to the extra risk mean a very large, if not complete, loss of what position should the asset managers arising from the changed incentives that “firm-specific investments” by displaced play in moving towards this consensus? diversification provides shareholders to employees. The aim of this government These so-called “universal investors” hold encourage more corporate risk-taking. match I’m envisioning is a social invest- the shares of all the companies. They have Think about the way that the organi- ment in our workforce, a rebuilding of the vision to perceive what’s going on. zation of companies has changed in the the human capital that has been lost. And The question is, how involved are they past 50 or 60 years. The conglomer- the ultimate purpose of this match is to going to end up in politics, and what ates of the 1950s and 1960s proved to make society as a whole more productive does that do to their business model? be failures, in significant part because in dealing with some of the demographic Let me elaborate a bit on this diver- investors who wanted diversification issues that the U.S. and other countries sification point, because I think it’s key could get it at the portfolio level. Such are now facing. to understanding the world in which we investors don’t need, and so won’t pay And let me make one quick final live, in particular the “great risk shift” up for, diversification at the firm level; point about the interesting position of the that I referred to previously. It was a and as had become clear by the end of Vanguards and BlackRocks, the indexed Nobel Prize-winning idea that inves- the 1970s, firm-level diversification asset managers, of the world. The product tors should aim to maximize their utility introduces new expenses and other ineffi- they offer is not a firm-specific invest- by achieving the highest risk-adjusted ciencies. It requires managers to oversee ment, but a low-cost diversified portfolio expected returns, meaning attention to a broad range of businesses, many of of all companies in the economy. And risk as well as returns. The follow-on them with no operating synergies. And if that’s your product, the only way that investment strategy is portfolio diversi- it’s “managerialist” in the sense that the you can improve the outcomes for your fication, which minimizes firm-specific size and scope achieved by this kind of investors is by increasing expected returns idiosyncratic risk. “empire-building,” which has the effect and lowering systematic risk across the of reducing efficiency and value, actually portfolio as a whole—that is, the entire Economic Insecurity benefits managers because it buffers economy. What are the real world implications? performance variation across the firm’s Now, how could institutional inves- It means that investors want companies diverse businesses. tors mitigate systematic risk? If you to be aggressive in taking business risks, Who else ends up being protected think that some of the disruption we while being willing to accept the greater through the diversification of a conglom- see at the individual firm level creates risk that such companies will fail. erate? Apart from management, it’s political risks to stability—and we’ve What are the consequences for other really the employees, because the result- seen evidence of that in the political parties to the firm? Creditors of the firm ing diversification of the profits and realm—then stability-seeking becomes can adjust to such increased risk-taking operating cash flow means that the
Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 29 ROUNDTABLE conglomerate will be less likely than a structured—all in pursuit of the highest way the world has turned that’s created focused, single-business firm to lay off risk-adjusted returns. the problem, and the solution requires a employees of a unit that’s in trouble. As a consequence, we now have different sort of match between govern- Cash flows in a conglomerate can be a system that is extremely efficient in ment and enterprise. reallocated to protect a failing unit; the utilization of resources. But one employees can be shifted to more profit- regrettable, though unavoidable, effect Questions & Answers able divisions within the firm. of such efficiency is the shifting of risk Fox: Thanks very much, Jeff. We have But starting in the early 1980s, the from shareholders to employees. And, about 15 minutes for Q&A. Let me decades-long process of dismantling again, I don’t see any way for companies take the privilege of the chair to give you the conglomerate structure initiated by to insure employees against this kind the first question. I think you very neatly corporate raiders and LBO firms helped of risk. There’s no way for the firm to mapped out the current situation in bring about this major shift of risk from provide a relationship that would make terms of the power of BlackRock and the the shareholders to employees—a change the employees whole against the firm- other large index funds in their poten- that, as I suggested, is partly attributable specific risk that they’re exposed to. tial to influence corporate governance. to investors’ growing reliance on low-cost Hence my call for a government But at the same time you’re arguing that diversification methods. With the rise solution. If we’re going to have this high- corporate governance isn’t the solution of hostile takeovers in the 1980s—and powered governance system—one that to our problems. Can you speculate a running more or less continuously to keeps our companies responsive in a little bit more about whether you think today’s shareholder activists—we have dynamic global economy—then I think these large asset holders should be play- seen a high-powered governance system we also need government to play a bigger ing some kind of political role? whose main goal is to eliminate corpo- role in helping retrain employees. And rate “slack,” or inefficiency, as seen from this is not a problem that neo-mercan- Gordon: There are two different ways to a shareholder point of view. tilism can solve. With companies like play a political role. One is a direct role The big difference between today Walmart, Amazon, and Netflix completely in buttonholing folks, lobbying. That’s and the 1970s and the 1980s is that the disrupting the way business is done, politics in a direct sense and raises many amount of slack, or value left on the table, a disproportionate share of the risk of concerns. The other is stating what they that it would take to trigger corrective change is being borne by employees. And believe to be the case, trying to shape the action is much less today. The dispersion unless we’re willing to tax the disrupters debate by offering informed views. of share ownership in the ’70s and ’80s themselves—and in so doing, discourage Of course folks can disagree about meant that collective action problems the process of innovation—I think we what they think are the underlying could be overcome only through the have to consider other, presumably state- problems. When Larry Fink says the expensive mechanism of a hostile or tax-funded, forms of social insurance. goal is getting companies to invest for takeover bid, in which a buyer faced At the very least, then, I’m providing the long term, and that that would solve all the risk of a misjudged opportunity. a call for a rethinking of social insurance, the problem, then I think the diagnosis Today’s reconcentration of ownership has for a kind of lifetime human potential he offers is not helpful; it pushes us away invigorated the proxy battle, which can insurance. Now, this is not a codeter- from policy that would be constructive be pursued at much lower cost than a mination strategy. That wouldn’t solve on dimensions that I’ve described. By hostile bid, and in which a shareholder the problem; it doesn’t get us anywhere. suggesting that if individual companies activist bears only the risk of its toehold And we can view this not as an issue of and their managers only behaved better, stake, not 100% ownership. The conse- fairness or redistribution or part of the were more far-sighted—and maybe if we quence is that companies now have much safety net—although those are all legiti- only got rid of the activists, or maybe if less margin for what is perceived as strate- mate framings of the problem—but we moved to Colin’s system, we could gic or operational shortfalls. rather as an economic question of the change things—we’re ignoring the crux To summarize my point, inves- optimal kind and amount of investment of the problem, at least as I see it. But if tors’ diversification has made profound in retraining workers, in reinvesting in you accept my view that global competi- changes in not only how parties invest, workers whose skills have been made tion and technological changes, including but in what shareholders want from obsolete, whose prior human capital changes in distribution networks, are the companies, and how the companies are investment has been dissipated. It’s the main causes, and that it’s very difficult
30 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 ROUNDTABLE to resolve these tensions at the level of a pharmacy tech, he or she doesn’t get a be pushing for and supporting this the firm, then I think you’re forced to tax subsidy on tuition and living expenses expansion of a government role are look for a government-orchestrated and incurred during the period of education. undermining government at every turn. maybe government-funded solution. We haven’t thought in a coherent way So I don’t know how you get us out about how to encourage folks to invest of that conundrum. In some ways you Alan Schwartz: Jeff, I had a couple of in themselves over the long period of have a system that works very well in questions. I think you’re right that their careers. theory, but not very well in practice. It’s employees bear more risk than they used a great theoretical model; but I don’t see to. In the safety literature, there’s some Steven Pearlstein: In a sense, you’re it happening in the United States. discussion of risk-adjusted wages. Could saying that we used to ask corporations risk-adjusted wages be used to reflect to balance all sorts of missions, some of Gordon: The claim I would make is that and compensate workers for the shift in which were private and generated large companies, acting in a rational way, self- risk bearing? My other question has to returns, and others which were social: interested way, would in fact favor greater do with acquiring human capital. My redistribution of income within the firm, government investment along the lines understanding is that adult retraining good deeds for society. You’re saying that that I’m suggesting. And that’s precisely programs tend to have low returns. Have now, in a vibrant, competitive global because the political frictions associated you given any thought to these programs marketplace, we can’t ask individual with the present system are becoming as part of the solution? firms to do that; and if we value these very intense. things like economic security or equal- Gordon: The evidence I’ve seen does not ity, we should let the public sector do that Pearlstein: But there’s no evidence that suggest that employee wages are, or have and let companies do what they do best, they behave that way rationally in the been, in a general way, risk-adjusted, and which is to be profit maximizers. political market. They, in fact, behave I suspect that’s in part because the risk That’s a nice theory. The problem is just the opposite way. They oppose every is hard to measure until it materializes. that, in a political economy sense, in the regulation, and every tax redistribution On the value of retraining programs, United States, the very forces that want of wealth. They oppose every increase in I think such programs are based on a to push profit maximizing also have spending on education. That’s the way pretty strong assumption about the plas- their hands on the testicles of the politi- the business community behaves in the ticity of human beings, and the potential cal system. And they prevent developing real world. I’m from Washington, and I for refocusing careers at different stages. the kind of regulation and social safety can tell you that’s true. The evidence coming from various U.S. net that you want the public to offer. pilot retraining programs is not so great, And much the same is going on in the Gordon: I don’t want to claim more than I but it’s also the case that the U.S. spends environmental arena. I’m guessing you know. All I’m offering is a way the world the least amount on retraining in the would say, don’t ask the companies to might well get better, not a prediction entire OECD. It makes me think we behave well environmentally; come up about the most likely path from here. If have yet to think very hard about how we with rules that force all companies to do the alternative is some other proposal, might make porting in and out of differ- the right thing. And if companies won’t which seems even less appealing to ent careers readily available, more readily do worker safety, we can and should have corporations—call it the Green New available than we do now. rules about worker safety. Deal—then my proposal, which calls for But I can think of one change worth So, it seems to me that you’re investment in human development over considering. Jon Macey says that the U.S. basically telling us to adopt a sort of a lifetime, all of a sudden seems like the system is incredibly biased in providing Northern European model, something moderate alternative. incentives for physical investment but like what they did in Denmark. They I wouldn’t presume to suggest a not investment in human capital. If a don’t ask companies to perform these political feasible path. My point is that, company installs a robot, under the 2017 social functions; they expect the govern- given the world in which we’re in, this tax act the company gets to expense it ment, the public sector, to do it. But is a plausible way forward—as opposed in the year of the investment. But if a in this country—and I can’t speak to to depending upon the induced kindness laid-off assembly line worker signs up England—everything’s been going the of companies and their managers, which for an educational program to become other way. The very forces that should seems to be the main alternative on offer.
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SESSION III: SECURITIES LAW IN TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY AMERICA: A CONVERSATION WITH SEC COMMISSIONER ROBERT JACKSON
Columbia Law School | New York City | March 1, 2019
Robert J. Jackson. Jr. John C. Coffee, Jr. Commissioner, U.S. Adolf A. Berle Professor of Securities and Exchange Law and Director, Center Commission on Corporate Governance, Columbia Law School
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Jack Coffee: Good afternoon, I’m with Lucian Bebchuk arguing that the that might slow him down, at least a Jack Coffee, and my job is to introduce poison pill is unconstitutional—and, can little. But I’m really going to let the and then lead a discussion with SEC you imagine, their position has yet to cat out of the bag by telling you—and Commissioner Robert Jackson. Rob has receive overwhelming acceptance from Rob will deny it, but his denials won’t been an SEC commissioner for one year, the courts.1 He may be about to tell us be credible—that he is shortly heading one month, and 18 days. Not a particu- what he’s going to do with the SEC to out to Iowa, where he’s meeting with larly memorable anniversary. But in that make the poison pill disappear from the community groups, local political short time, Rob’s blazed quite a trail and face of this earth—or he may tell us he’s leaders, and the citizenry—and maybe addressed a lot of issues that he alone reconsidered his position on the pill— we’ll see the waters tested. What is focused on and that, I think, deserve but I’ll leave that to him.2 you hear today might be a political exactly the attention he’s giving them. During his year, one month, and campaign in just a few more weeks Let me start, however, with the 18 days as Commissioner, he has boldly because, frankly, there are already 13 prosaic details. Rob is a summa cum expressed skepticism about whether candidates for the democratic nomina- laude graduate of Wharton, and later there is adequate competition among tion. But do any of those 13 have his received an MBA there in 2000. He also stock exchanges, and I think he has intelligence, his credentials, his ability? has a master’s in public administration some good evidence on that point. Even I find it hard to point to someone who’s from the Kennedy School and a JD from more broadly, Rob has really been first clearly ahead of him. Harvard Law School. Then he took a on the Commission to see potential So, having dug this little hole for research fellowship at Harvard. What all problems with the common ownership Rob, let’s see if he can dig his way back this evidence points out is that he would of public companies by a very limited out. Tell us what you’re going to do at do anything to avoid going to work. number of institutional investors. the Commission and elsewhere. But he eventually did go to work, And in this, he’s following some work practicing at Bear Stearns and then that’s been done by Einer Elhauge and Rob Jackson: Well, thank you very Wachtell, Lipton, where he specialized in John Coates at Harvard, and a bunch much, Jack, for that very kind—and executive compensation. After the 2008 of economists. That may be one of very dangerous— introduction. It’s so financial crisis, he went to Washing- the issues of the future. Jeff was just good to be back at Columbia, and to ton to work with Ken Feinberg at the suggesting the possibility of BlackRock see so many friends. I’m really very grate- U.S. Treasury, where he helped design and others lobbying Congress to fund ful to you and to the Millstein Center for the rules in the Dodd-Frank provisions programs to retrain laid-off workers. the opportunity to be here today. I want dealing with executive compensation. Well, there could be problems if such to begin just by saying how much I’ve If those rules had been adopted and large investors already have too much learned from the conversation so far, and implemented, we’d be in a much better power, if as few as 12 investors own a also how glad I am to be in a room with position; but for some reason, they didn’t majority of or exercise voting control so many important thinkers and policy- quite get all the way through Congress over our largest companies. makers. The people you’ve managed to and the administration. What lies ahead for Rob Jackson? gather here today are really at the cutting Then in 2010, tired of doing real Well, he’s getting married in June. And edge of the debates in corporate law. work, he retired to the Columbia Law I’m going to be brief. My plan is to
School faculty where, in 2012, he 1 See Lucian A. Bebchuk & Robert J. Jackson, Jr., speak for 10 or 15 minutes, and then I’d received the Willis Reese Prize for excel- Toward a Constitutional Review of the Poison Pill, 114 prefer just to take questions and have a Colum. L. Rev. 1549, 1550 (2014) (“We argue that the lence in teaching, which goes to only state-law rules governing poison pills are vulnerable to conversation—because it felt very much one person per year. The students said challenges based on preemption by the Williams Act.”). to me, standing at the back of the room he was the greatest thing they had seen. 2 Compare id. with Martijn Cremers, Robert J. Jack- for the last hour, that this is an ongoing son, Jr., & John Morley, The Value of Takeover Defenses: But though it sounds like I’m Evidence from Exogenous Shocks to Closed-End Mutual debate about some of the issues that giving a hagiography, Rob has not Funds (working paper, January 2015) (arguing, based on Colin raised in his book and that really event studies from a different context that “as takeover been completely successful at every- defenses became more legal, closed-end fund stock pric- deserve our attention at the policy level.3 thing he’s tried. I want to point to what es increased, and as takeover defenses became less legal, closed-end fund stock prices decreased. In other words, may be his leading failure, which he we find that in closed-end funds, shareholders like [] the 3 See Colin Mayer, Prosperity: Better Business Makes can still resurrect. He wrote an article poison pill.”). the Greater Good (2019).
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sking corporate boards of directors to make important stra- A tegic business decisions while considering the interests of all corporate stakeholders imposes a decision-making burden on the institution that we cannot and should not expect boards to carry. More- over, taking away companies’ clear, single-minded objective function of increasing long-run shareholder value raises real accountability problems. Without such an objective, what will guide boards when making the difficult tradeoffs among stakeholders that effective over- sight and management require? – Robert Jackson
There are three issues I want to talk everyone—and why I’m so committed other professors because they’re smarter about today that we’re facing at the SEC, to this theft, but the fundamental thing than me and have more intelligent views and that I really think are going to be to understand is that the conversations on the subject.”7 most important on our agenda in 2019. you’re having today are informing the Looking back at it, I think I was But these issues all relate to two themes way that folks like me are thinking about cheating. I think it was easier to teach that I want you to keep in mind as we what the future of securities law policy a world where we just do that one have this conversation over the next should be. I’m very proud of the fact that thing, and to encourage myself and my hour. a lot of what has come out of conversa- students not to worry about the impli- The first is that all good ideas that tions in rooms like this one has become cations for the rest of society. But it was I’ve ever had or will have, and that I’m or is becoming policy in the United not the right way to think about the trying to turn into policy at the SEC, I States securities markets. task I now face as a policymaker. I think have stolen from people here. I am an The second thought I’ll leave with what we’ve learned as a Nation in the last unabashed thief.4 I give footnotes and no you is that we should stop pretending decade or two is that those choices have more,5 and I have found that the ideas in as a Nation that the decisions we make significant implications, like the ones these conversations have been absolutely in our markets do not have significant Jeff Gordon was just talking about— invaluable to the policy conversations social implications. When I was a scholar the risks employees face working for we’re having in Washington. and a professor, I used to teach corpo- large public companies that are increas- I’ll talk a little bit about whom I’ve rate law just across hall here at Columbia ingly being pushed to earn profits at stolen from in this room—it’s basically Law School. On the first or second day, I almost any cost.8 And this means that would say, “For purposes of this course, we need to think seriously about the 4 Compare, for example, Commissioner Robert J. we’re going to do the following exercise. social bargain we have struck between Jackson, Jr., The Middle-Market IPO Tax (remarks at the Ohio State University Greater Cleveland Middle Market We are going to maximize what I refer Forum, April 2018) (citing Hsuan-Chi Chen & Jay R. Rit- to as Kaldor-Hicks efficiency.6 We’re 7 See, e.g., Columbia Law School, Faculty Profiles: ter, The Seven Percent Solution, 55 J. Fin. 1105 (2000)) Gillian Metzger (citing Foreword, 1930s Redux: The Ad- with Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., Perpetual going to just maximize the size of our ministrative State Under Siege, 131 Harv. L. Rev. 1 Dual-Class Stock: The Case Against Corporate Royalty economic pie, and all these other social (2017)); Columbia Law School, Faculty Profiles: Alex (remarks at the Berkeley Law Symposium in San Fran- questions we’re going to leave for your Raskolnikov (citing Accepting the Limits of Tax Law and cisco, California, January 2018) (citing Martijn Cremers, Economics, 98 Cornell L. Rev. 523 (2013)); Columbia Beni Lauterbach & Anete Pajuste, The Life Cycle of Dual- Law School, Faculty Profiles: Jessica Bulman-Pozen (cit- Class Firms (working paper, January 2018)) and Com- ing From Sovereignty and Process to Administration and missioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., Stock Buybacks and 6 That idea was even less original to me than most of Politics: The Afterlife of American Federalism, 123 Yale Corporate Cashouts (remarks at the Center for American my policy proposals. See, e.g., Frank H. Easterbrook & L.J. 1920 (2014)). Progress, June 2018) (citing Jesse M. Fried, Insider Trad- Daniel R. Fischel, The Economic Structure of Corporate 8 See Jeffrey N. Gordon, Addressing Economic Inse- ing via the Corporation, 162 U. Pa. L. Rev. 801, 805 Law 11-12 (1991); see also Milton Friedman, The Social curity: Why Social Insurance Is Better Than Corporate (2014)). Responsibility of Business is to Increase Its Profits, N.Y. Governance Reform, Columbia Law School Blue Sky Blog 5 See supra note 4. Times Mag. (Sept. 13, 1970). (August 21, 2019).
34 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 ROUNDTABLE those companies, their consumers, their here, I just let Merritt handle the compli- Now, if I were still an academic and employees, and their investors; we need cated stuff. But what I have learned in you asked me whether that was a good to think about what our expectations Government is that the bargain secu- thing, I might respond, “If price discov- are for the large investment funds that rities regulators struck with our stock ery is the goal, it may well be.”15 But I hold the savings and futures of millions exchanges 15 years ago has fundamen- have since learned that the pursuit of of American families. tally changed our markets, and in a way price discovery in this fashion has very I think we can no longer pretend that I don’t think is fully appreciated and real costs. One manifestation of those that there is such a thing as socially that has real implications for American costs can be seen by noting that we have neutral corporate or securities law policy investors and public companies. 13 public, or “lit,” stock exchanges in in that respect. The decision to do or not You all know the history of the the United States. We’ve got 13 differ- to do something in that area is funda- stock exchanges. They used to be ent venues to which an order that you mentally a social decision.9 We should collectively controlled and owned by place for shares can be delivered; and accept and embrace that fact and have most of Wall Street, pursuant to the of those 13, 12 are owned by just three the appropriate conversation—instead famous Buttonwood agreement.11 conglomerates. of pretending there’s a way intellectually Over the years the markets evolved in I was in a prior life a legal and finan- to avoid that part of the conversation, a fashion that called for new rules, and cial advisor on mergers and acquisitions, because it’s too hard. the Commission eventually enacted and my first reaction to learning this was, So that’s my basic proposition. And what is now known as Regulation “That sounds like a weird M&A strat- I have three policy areas I’d like to talk NMS.12 Those rules were intended to egy: Let’s buy all the units that do mostly to you about that, in my view, illustrate protect investors and make sure they the same thing, and then just have them why economic choices are at bottom got the best price when they dealt on compete against each other.”16 No choices about what kind of society we the stock exchange. In many ways, the CEO in a competitive industry would want to live in. These are things that I rules have helped achieve just that.13 pursue that strategy. Why do the stock now understand in a different way than But what followed was an incredible exchanges? One answer might be that I did when I taught across the hall. Then decade-long arms race in which investors the law encourages that outcome by I’ll wrap up and we can have a conversa- paid millions of dollars for high-speed permitting them to charge connection tion about how to move policy forward trading to address what is now known as and access fees that investors pay for on in these and other areas. “latency arbitrage.”14 It’s hard to overes- a per-exchange basis. timate the amount of capital that has Now we can debate whether that’s The State of American Stock been invested in technology, lobbying, a good thing or a bad thing, but what Exchanges and legal fees to create and protect that astonished me when I arrived at the So first let’s talk about American stock franchise. SEC is that for years the exchanges had exchanges. The history of U.S. stock managed to extract those costs from exchanges is one that I hadn’t spent a lot sten, & Gabriel Rauterberg, The New Stock Market: Sense American investors with very little public of time on—even though my Columbia and Nonsense, 65 Duke L.J. 191 (2015). debate. That struck me both as an aston- 11 See, e.g., Commissioner Kara M. Stein, Remarks Law colleague, Merritt Fox, has written Before Trader Forum 2014 Equity Trading Summit (New ishing feat of lobbying, and something some of the world’s leading scholarship York City, February 2014) (describing this history). very troubling for American investors.17 12 Securities and Exchange Commission, Concept Re- on the subject, and I commend it to lease on Equity Market Structure, Exch. Act. Rel. No. 34- you.10 When I was on the law faculty 61358, 75 Fed. Reg. 3594 (Jan. 21, 2010) (describing 15 See Fox, Glosten, & Rauterberg, supra note 10, at the genesis of Regulation National Market System and the 207 (making a similar argument). market-driven innovation that followed its adoption). 16 See, e.g., McKinsey & Company, McKinsey Quar- 9 For a closer examination of this argument, published 13 See id.; see also Fox, Glosten & Rauterberg, supra terly: Six Successful M&A Strategies (Spring 2017) (not- before I took office at the Commission,see, e.g., Lucian A. note 10, at 204 (describing extensive benefits to investors ing the common strategy to “[c]onsolidate to remove ex- Bebchuk & Robert J. Jackson, Jr., Shining Light on Cor- derived from the market structure that emerged from this cess capacity from industry,” but making no mention of porate Political Spending, 101 Geo. L.J. 923, 964 period). acquiring and operating competing franchises in the same (2013) (“[T]he SEC should not be deterred from acting to 14 For an engaging description of one example of this industry). provide investors with information they need by the pos- kind of arbitrage, see Michael Lewis, Flash Boys : A Wall 17 I made this argument most forcefully in public re- sibility that its actions might have implications for the Street Revolt (2015); for a more recent analysis of the marks at George Mason University in September 2018, political landscape.”). prevalence of this kind of trading, I commend the insight- see Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., Unfair Ex- 10 See, e.g., Merritt Fox, Lawrence R. Glosten, & Ga- ful analysis in Robert P. Bartlett & Justin McCrary, How change: The State of America’s Stock Markets (Sept. 19, briel Rauterberg, The Economic and Legal Structure of Rigged Are Stock Markets? Evidence from Microsecond 2018), shortly before the Commission took several steps the Stock Market (2019); Merritt Fox, Lawrence R. Glo- Timestamps, J. Fin. Mkts. (forthcoming 2019). related to those policy questions, see, e.g., Rob Daly, SEC
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When I have this conversation with conversation that we need to have as a a really excellent thief. When I testified people, they say, “This sounds really Nation, and I’m proud to be a part of it. on this subject, I based my testimony technical, and not very interesting from largely on a tremendous paper by John a social point of view.” My point to you Concentration of Corporate Coates at Harvard, who explains why it’s today is that that’s wrong. When you talk Ownership possible to imagine a corporate world in to an ordinary American investor—and Second, I want to talk a little bit about which a dozen or fewer individuals have part of my job is to talk with retail inves- the role of institutional investors. There’s that kind of control over our economic tors across the United States—and you a broad public conversation we’re having destiny.23 try to explain to them why there are 13 right now about the degree to which The reason that’s important to stock exchanges, and why 12 of them are common ownership of public companies understand is the same reason that Chief owned by three conglomerates, they get is affecting competition in this country.20 Justice Leo Strine, who’s here today, has the sense that this is yet another way in My own view, with great respect to pointed out: namely, to the degree you which the financial system is designed the exceptional scholars in this field, is feel that corporate America has let you to profit somebody else at their expense. that that conversation is important but down and done something that isn’t I’m very proud of the SEC’s work in this misdirected. As I explained in recent fair—like spending dark money on respect; for the first time in two decades, testimony before the Federal Trade politics—it’s time to call to account the we have gotten very serious about Commission, this issue strikes me as a institutional investors who sat silently by examining these issues. I gave a speech on challenge not of market competition but while that happened.24 So I think Leo’s the subject at George Mason University of corporate governance.21 right about this; it won’t do to blame back in September and have been joined I say that because of the astonishing corporations by themselves on this issue. by my colleagues on a number of policy and understudied role that these institu- I think we’ve got to be candid and initiatives that I’m very proud of. These tions play in the outcomes of corporate look large institutional investors squarely initiatives are all bipartisan and have been elections.22 This is an enormously impor- in the eye and say, “You guys have unanimously adopted at the SEC.18 tant task that we’ve charged institutional overseen this; where have you been?” We’ll soon hopefully have a transac- investors with. Corporate lawyers in the As a society, in the public conversations tion fee pilot in which we test the effects room who advise boards will tell you we’ve had about corporate America, we of certain payments that the exchanges that most contested questions in corpo- really like to blame corporations. It’s make to attract volume.19 I’m happy rate America today are decided by just a really great to have somebody to point to to talk more about the details, but for few large funds. Persuade them, and you and say, “It’s your fault.” But everyone in now I just want to say that taking on carry the day. this room knows that assigning respon- that subject—the notion that our stock Now, again I’m not prepared to say sibility for today’s economic and social exchanges have concentrated power that this is necessarily a good or a bad problems is a much more complicated that they use to extract excess fees from thing. It’s just something that deserves task than blaming corporate America American investors—is an important our attention. And as I said early on, I’m alone. Companies have a broad range of constituencies, and we all bear responsi-
Rules for SIFMA in Market Data Case, Markets Media 20 See, e.g., Jose Azar, Martin C. Schmalz, & Isabel bility for where we are as a Nation. (Oct. 16, 2018) (“The U.S. Securities and Exchange Tecu, Anticompetitive Effects of Common Ownership, 73 Commission has set aside [exchanges’ requests to ap- J. Fin. 1513 (2018); see also Einer Elhauge, Horizontal prove certain] depth-of-book fees.”); see also U.S. Secu- Shareholding, 129 Harv. L. Rev. 1267 (2016); Eric Pos- 23 See John C. Coates, The Future of Corporate Gov- rities and Exchange Commission, SEC Adopts Transac- ner, Fiona Scott Morton & E. Glen Weyl, A Proposal to ernance Part I: The Problem of Twelve (working paper, tion Fee Pilot for NMS Stocks (Dec. 19, 2018). Limit the Anticompetitive Power of Institutional Inves- Sept. 2018) (“In effect, indexation is concentrating power 18 See supra note 17; see also Joint Concurring tors, 81 Antitrust L.J. (2019). over all public companies in the hands of one [small] Statement of Commissioners Hester Peirce and Elad Ro- 21 See Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., Common group.”). isman Regarding Application of SIFMA for Review of Ac- Ownership: The Investor Protection Challenge of the 21st 24 See Chief Justice Leo E. Strine, Jr., Fiduciary Blind tion Taken by NYSE Arca, Inc. and NASDAQ Stock Mar- Century, testimony before the Federal Trade Commission Spot: The Failure of Institutional Investors to Prevent the ket LLC (Oct. 16, 2018) (noting my colleagues’ Hearing on Competition and Consumer Protection (Dec. Illegitimate Use of Working Americans’ Savings for Cor- thoughtful “vote[] to support this decision” while 6, 2018). porate Political Spending, New York University School of “rais[ing] a critical policy question underlying these pro- 22 For an important and early examination of the joint Law Distinguished Jurist Lecture (Nov. 29, 2018); see ceedings”). role of large institutional investors and activists in contem- also Leo E. Strine, Jr. & Antonio Weiss, Why Isn’t Your 19 The pilot study described supra at note 17 is cur- porary corporate governance, see Ronald J. Gilson & Jef- Mutual Fund Sticking Up for You?, N.Y. Times (Aug. 23, rently subject to litigation; exchanges have sued in the frey N. Gordon, The Agency Costs of Agency Capitalism: 2019) (“[C]orporate governance reform will be effective D.C. Circuit to block the Commission’s study of these Activist Investors and the Revaluation of Governance only if institutional investors use their voting power prop- matters. Rights, 113 Colum. L. Rev. 44 (2011). erly.”).
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That’s why, when I’ve talked about environmental future, or to ending of the obligations of all the constituents this subject both publicly and privately inequality. They don’t have the author- of the corporation; the investors, the at the SEC, I’ve pushed people to answer ity or knowledge or resources to solve board, and those who represent them. In those questions in a way I could explain those problems. other words, I think we want to under- to an ordinary American investor. Trying And expecting them to do that is stand the responsibilities of being a large to explain to them why corporations a prescription for profound unhappi- institutional investor in this world better participate in politics to the extent they ness for millions of families who rightly than we do today. do, and why they make the choices they feel let down by modern corporations. Let me give you an example of what do about executive compensation, is not Moreover, taking away companies’ I mean. For those of you who are inter- easy. Explaining why large institutions clear, single-minded objective function ested in this subject, are you confident vote ordinary investors’ shares in favor of increasing long-run shareholder value that we understand the degree to which of spending American families’ money raises real accountability problems. large institutional investors actually this way is even harder. It’s time to ask Without such an objective, what will vote in a way that reflects the prefer- ourselves whether the fact that we can’t guide boards when making the difficult ences of the underlying investors whose explain these things to ordinary investors tradeoffs among stakeholders that effec- money they’re voting? Do you feel we tells us something important about the tive oversight and management require? have a good empirical understanding of state of corporate America. I worry that, without an obvious goal to the degree to which large institutional pursue, we’ll end up feeling that boards investors vote their shares in the way Stakeholder Theory and the Law have failed both investors and stake- the ordinary underlying retail investor Third, I want to talk about the funda- holders. would want them to? mental idea that the solution to part of And that’s why I think Chief I don’t think we know that. And I our social problems might be to allow Justice Strine is so right to point to think we should, because as Chief Justice corporations to consider the interests of the responsibility of other corpo- Strine and others have pointed out, if constituencies other than their share- rate constituents for some of today’s we’re really going to have a conversa- holders when they make major business problems.26 Even if we’re worried about tion about what we want corporations decisions. The notion that you might the degree to which corporations do or to achieve and what investors want from have a wise council of individuals who do not take those kinds of consider- them, then we should understand the will consider all these things and come ations into account, it does not follow way underlying investors think about up with the right answer and solve that we should adopt a rule that invites those issues and whether or not the these problems for us is a very tempt- managements and boards to consider votes that are getting cast reflect those ing idea.25 other stakeholders in major strategic interests. That, to me, is part of the But I’m unconvinced. The reason is and business decisions. The dangers intellectual enterprise of understanding that asking boards of directors to make of this kind of managerialist approach what we’re asking corporations to do and such important decisions while consider- are clear, as Jeff Gordon just told us, why. The fact that we haven’t explored ing all these different interests imposes to anyone who’s studied the corporate it strikes me as a notable and actually a decision-making burden on the insti- conglomerates of the last century.27 telling omission. It makes me wonder tution that we cannot and should not What I think we should do instead whether the question we’re really asking expect boards to carry. Look, I’ve been is ask whether addressing social and is whether corporations are doing what in those boardrooms. They’re filled with environmental problems should be part their individual shareholders want them good people who are trying to do the to do, or whether we’re really playing right thing. But the fact is that corpo- 26 See Strine, supra note 24 (asserting that institu- a different game. rate boards do not hold the keys to our tional investors should be held to account for the degree So my request for all of you would to which corporate resources are used in a fashion incon- sistent with ordinary investor interests). be to begin those conversations today. 25 See, e.g., Business Roundtable, Statement on the 27 The claim that corporate law should defer to mana- And the goal here is not just to come Purpose of the Corporation (Aug. 19, 2019) (purporting to gerialist judgments about the needs of certain “constituen- “redefin[e] the purpose of the corporation to promote an cies” should be familiar to any serious student of corpo- away with an answer to the decades-old economy that serves all Americans”); see also Plato: Five rate law. George Santayana, The Life of Reason: The question about whether boards should Dialogues (2d ed. 2002) (providing the seminal thesis Phases of Human Progress Volume 1, Reason in Com- that “philosopher kings” might be the best trustees of a mon Sense (“Those who cannot remember the past are be able to consider interests other than society’s future). condemned to repeat it.”). investors’ when making important
Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 37 ROUNDTABLE decisions. Yes, that’s important, and back and forth. And, as Rob has argued, the explanation has to do with price I’m happy to keep having that conver- that looks anticompetitive. discovery, which we all know is socially sation. But we also want to explore In any event, that’s the backdrop. valuable. But I also think there are more generally whether we should set Now, as Rob also mentioned, Columbia needless costs associated with having this before corporations alone the task of Law’s Merritt Fox is one of the world’s structure. More fundamentally, I think solving our broadest social problems. leading experts in this area. Merritt, what we need to think about whether our If we’re going to do that, shouldn’t we do you think about Rob’s argument? system for trading stocks is the best we be asking the same thing of the largest can do for ordinary American investors. institutional investors in America, and Fox: I think Rob’s right that there’s the I’m not convinced that the answer is yes. be prepared to hold them responsible for potential for anticompetitive problems the choices they’ve made over the last 30 with the industrial organization of the Jim Millstein: Rob, we now have esti- years that have brought us to the place trading industry. On the other hand, mates that 50% of stock trading volume we’re in as a Nation? we are also seeing trading costs that is going on in dark pools. What’s your And now let’s have a conversation. are much lower than they’ve ever been reaction to the impact of the structure Thanks so much for having me and for before. Now maybe we could do even of public exchanges on that increasing having this important conversation. Tell better, but the significant reduction in trend? me what’s on your mind. And tell me spreads and commissions—and thus in what you’ve learned today about the the total costs borne by people making Jackson: Before I answer, let me say I most pressing policy issues before the trades—have all gone down over the had the very great privilege of having Commission. past ten years. And that makes me ques- Jim as my boss, when he was the chief tion whether there’s really a problem. restructuring officer of the Treasury Discussion with the Department.28 For a long time Jim Columbia Audience Jackson: Let me say two things about was the only thing standing between Coffee: As you heard, Rob just gave us that. First, there’s no better place to hide AIG and a Nation in total catastrophe. three big topics he wanted to discuss. rents than in markets with falling prices, He was astonishingly successful in The first was competition among because we don’t know the counterfac- restructuring AIG while preserving its stock exchanges. The next was insti- tual—that is, what costs would have value in incredibly difficult operational tutional investors, and the potential been in a more competitive landscape, and political circumstances. Far too dangers of consolidation. The third is what the costs would have been other- few Americans know this, but thanks the degree to which boards and others wise. The question is, how fast should to Jim, taxpayers earned more than $5 should be able to take account of those prices be falling? billion on their investment in AIG.29 ESG—environmental, social, and gover- But put that completely to one side. But back to Jim’s question. First of nance—considerations in their strategic I want to propose that just having the all, as Merritt has taught me over the and operating decisions. structure we do—that is, having the years, dark pools tend to provide price Let’s take these one at a time. I’m deepest, most liquid capital markets improvement to investors at the margin. going to ask for questions first on the in the world structured in a fashion So there’s an argument that investors do stock exchange issue. As you will recall, that makes little theoretical economic a little better by dark pools. But that Rob has said that of the 13 public sense is, by itself, costly. The idea that stock exchanges, 12 are owned by three our stock exchanges are set up to send 28 See, e.g., Barry Ritholtz, Jim Millstein and the Re- entities. By the way, those three owners orders around New Jersey to maximize structuring of AIG, The Big Picture (Oct. 28, 2018) (de- are NASDAQ, ICE, and the CBOE. private profits—the fact that funds scribing Mr. Millstein’s crucial role in restructuring the He also makes the point that generally, exist for no other purpose than to trade company during the United States Treasury’s exceptional rescue of the firm); Serena Ng, Treasury Restructuring when companies acquire lots of other stocks at breathtaking speed—these are Chief to Exit, Wall St. J. (Feb. 24, 2011) (describing Mr. companies, they typically consoli- hard things for us to explain to people Millstein’s successful conclusion of his work just two years into his appointment). date their operations. But this hasn’t who are wondering why they can’t make 29 See United States Department of the Treasury, In- happened in the stock exchange indus- their rent. And it’s a challenging thing to vestment in American International Group (AIG) (Dec. 9, 2013) (noting that, following Treasury’s sale of AIG com- try, perhaps because the exchanges seem explain to American investors. mon stock in a 2012 public offering, taxpayers’ return on to love charging fees for sending orders Now I understand that part of their investment in the company exceeded $5 billion).
38 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 ROUNDTABLE said, I do have a concern. Dark pools the SEC to really think about encourag- I think what I’ve become persuaded of have sucked so much volume off the ing that type of innovation in the system by Trevor and others in the space is that exchanges that I worry about the degree and not preventing some of the really the securities law we have is a choice to which the price discovery we get on good ideas from being crushed at the about the role those people should play the exchanges is correct. I worry about beginning because they just realize it’s in the agenda setting and investments this especially at the close of trading.30 going to be too damn expensive for us in American society. What you’ve been What the exchanges tell me is that to get through that process? pushing me to do is to ask myself if that’s not a critical concern yet, but that’s the right choice for the Nation. that we could easily end up in a place Jackson: Doug, you’re absolutely right That’s the view I’ve come to, having where it would be. That would be one about this. We aren’t creating the kinds been in this job for a little while—and of the things we’d have to figure out if of incentives we need for people to create that’s really the question I should have we’re going to do something different on new technologies that can compete on been asking myself all along. exchange regulation. And just to be clear, the margin. But that said, you’re also although I’ve been hard on the exchanges right to say that they’ve created the Costs of Common Ownership today and in the past, they provide a very system they did because it’s within the Coffee: I’d like to move on now to the valuable service in terms of that price rules we set up, and it maximizes their second topic, which is common owner- discovery, especially at the close. That’s profits under those rules. I try hard in ship. As I indicated in my introduction, something we need to preserve. life not to get angry at people for follow- and as you confirmed, you’ve been read- ing the incentives we give them. The ing a lot the work of John Coates and Doug Chia: I’m Doug Chia from the problem in such cases is really not the others. They’ve been arguing that, as Conference Board. In your comments on people; it’s the incentives. This is my we see great consolidation among insti- the monopoly of stock exchanges and the problem, not theirs. That’s why I’ve been tutional investors, there’s the chance rents they extract from all of us, it seems proud to be a part of looking carefully at they’ll get together and agree on anti- to me that what has to happen—and those regulatory incentives. competitive behavior. probably will happen at some point— If you take one thing away from my John Coates has been putting more is for some kind of disruptor to come talk, this is the idea that I want to share emphasis on the political impact. We’ve into that industry. Just as we’ve seen in with you. When we make that kind of heard that 12 people or fewer can influ- so many industries today, an Uber or a choice, it may feel narrow; it may feel ence corporate elections, but Jeff Gordon Netflix just comes in and changes the small. But it isn’t; it’s a choice about the wants them to influence Congress as game entirely. So much of that—when kind of system we want to have, the kind well, and that gives me pause if 12 people it happens—is about disintermediation. of market we want to have, the kind of can push that heavily. So against that In order for that to happen, there country we want to have. backdrop, what questions do we have has to be new technology; and there also I’ll give you another example. about the role of institutional investors? typically has to be changes in the regula- Another former boss of mine, Trevor tions. The stock exchanges are the way Norwitz from Wachtell, Lipton, often Eric Orts: I’m Eric Orts from the Whar- they are today and don’t have a lot of comes to these events; in fact I think I ton School, and I’m really happy to competition because they’re regulated by see him now. He raises his hand, and he hear about really great people who have the SEC. You do have attempts to come says, “You have to do something about high grades from the Wharton School up with alternatives from time to time, activist investors; they’re a parasite upon making such a huge public statement. but they have to go through this regula- the Nation.” My question has to do with finance. tory vetting process. All that said, does it make sense for Trevor Norwitz: The word I like to use Jack: Well, excuse me. If you feel that is “scourge.” way, are you going to publish Jackson’s grades? 30 In August 2019, trading issues did develop near the market close, although the effects of those issues on ordi- Jackson: Ok, “scourge.” And I say, nary investors are not yet known. See, e.g., Yun Li, A “Well Trevor, you know, it’s compli- Eric: No. [Laughter.] Anyway—so my Trading Issue Impacted US Stock Quotes Late in the Day as Dow Flatlined Into the Close, CNBC Markets (Aug. 12, cated. The agency costs associated with question has to do with the increasing 2019). corporate managers can be significant.” power of the financial services industry
Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 39 ROUNDTABLE in terms of its lobbying clout. I think we petitioned the Commission to take up enon that has existed since I was a know that finance is the highest lobby- rules requiring transparency of the kind banker: namely, when a banker brings ing group, and there’s increasing concern Eric is asking about, my co-signers on a company public, and that company is about the influence of finance over our that petition included Jack Coffee, Jeff worth less than $1 billion, 97% of the political system. In the 1950s, finance Gordon, Ron Gilson, and others in the time the banker charges a 7% spread— was just 2% of GDP. In 2008, it was room.33 We urged the SEC to make not 6½%, not 7½%, but exactly 7%.35 8% or 9%.31 rules that would require more trans- I called it a “tax” and said that it’s So my question is about the concen- parency in this respect. And some 1.2 hard to understand why that price is still tration of the financial services industry. million people have since written to the the same as it was when I was a banker. What is the SEC doing to curtail the SEC to urge them to adopt those rules. It was a very different time. It was dialup influence or at least making public But, we can’t do it right now; and internet. I was one of the guys who was disclosure of what the finance industry the reason is that Congress passed a law taking companies public during the is doing politically? A long time ago, saying we can’t. There’s an appropria- dot-com boom. But Wall Street has lobbying was even illegal. If there’s really tions bill that says that we can’t spend provided no price improvement to small the public interest that’s at stake here, any money to finalize a rule in that IPOs. And I have to ask whether or not should the SEC take some more forceful respect.34 But I think it’s something the concentration we see in the industry approach on this? that we should be considering when the is a driver of that. And, finally, I think we need to law permits, and for the reasons that So, one of the things I’ve been figure out what kinds of investors we’re you’ve given. trying to do in office is to shine light on really regulating for. When I raised the Now, what about your question concentration in the markets we oversee idea of retail investors in an MBA class about the concentration that we see and what the SEC can and should do recently, someone put up their hand and in the financial services industry, and about it. And I’ve gotten this very said, “The whole idea of a small inves- its costs for ordinary Americans? At a strange reaction, which is that compe- tor these days is a joke. It doesn’t really minimum, I’ve said that we should be tition simply isn’t in the SEC’s ambit. exist.” So, maybe we should get away pushing industry to explain and account Now, reasonable people can and should from that model of who we’re trying to for the possible costs of that concen- disagree about policy in this area. But protect. tration. In one of my first speeches as the claim that it’s outside the SEC’s an SEC commissioner, stealing again jurisdiction is just wrong. Jackson: Let me get back to the small from academia, I pointed to a phenom- In a talk I gave a little while investor point in a moment. Let’s talk ago to the Open Markets Institute, first about the first question you asked, Rev. 83 (2010). I documented the history of the SEC’s Eric, because it’s a good one. You asked: 33 See Committee on Disclosure of Corporate Political work regarding competition.36 As I Should the SEC be doing more to Spending, Petition for Rulemaking to Require Disclosure pointed out there, when the securi- of Corporate Political Spending to Public-Company provide transparency with respect to Shareholders (Aug. 3, 2011). Professor Jackson was a ties laws were first enacted, there was the effects of this lobbying? The answer principal draftsman of the petition, which has since been no Securities and Exchange Commis- the subject of more than 1.2 million comments urging to that question is clearly yes. And I’ve the Commission to take action—more than any proposal sion. The ’33 Act, when first passed, been advocating forcefully for that. in the Commission’s history. See Securities and Ex- charged the Federal Trade Commission change Commission, Comments on Rulemaking: Petition When I first joined the Colum- to Require Public Companies to Disclose to Shareholders with oversight of the securities laws.37 bia faculty, I published an article with the Use of Corporate Resources for Political Activities, It wasn’t until Joe Kennedy persuaded File No. 4-637; see also Letter of Former SEC Chairman Lucian Bebchuk in the Harvard Law William Donaldson, Former Chairman Arthur Levitt, and Review on that subject.32 When we later former Commissioner Bevis Longstreth to Mary Jo White, 35 Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., The Middle- Chair, SEC (May 27, 2015) (bipartisan letter of former Market IPO Tax (remarks at the Ohio State University high-ranking Commission officials referring to the peti- Greater Cleveland Middle Market Forum, April 2018) 31 See, e.g., United States Bureau of Economic tion’s proposal as a “‘slam dunk’ for the Commission”). (citing Hsuan-Chi Chen & Jay R. Ritter, The Seven Per- Analysis, Gross Domestic Product by Industry (July 19, 34 See, e.g., Ning Chiu, Spending Bill Prohibits SEC cent Solution, 55 J. Fin. 1105 (2000)). 2019) (providing an industry-by-industry breakdown of from Any Political Contributions Disclosure Rulemaking, 36 Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., Competition: contributions to gross domestic product, and noting that, Davis Polk Briefing: Governance (May 3, 2017) (“Similar The Forgotten Fourth Pillar of the SEC’s Mission (re- in the first quarter of 2019, the finance and insurance to prior appropriations bills, the proposal continues to marks at the Open Markets Institute, Oct. 11, 2018). industry added significantly to growth in GDP). prohibit the SEC from using any funds to issue rules or 37 See id. (citing Letter of Harvard Law School Pro- 32 See Lucian A. Bebchuk & Robert J. Jackson, Jr., regulations regarding the disclosure of political contribu- fessor Felix Frankfurter to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Presi- Corporate Political Speech: Who Decides?, 124 Harv. L. tions.”). dent of the United States (May 23, 1934).
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FDR that we needed a separate agency asset manager don’t really reflect what be a huge cost to that, because the fund that the ’34 Act was passed, and that their shareholders want. I want to take may well sacrifice returns to achieve its the SEC was created. Even back then, a pretty aggressive position on that. The social goals. when the birthplace of the SEC was in answer is, nobody’s got a clue. But it’s But let’s go back to the broader the FTC, a competition agency, it was worse than that. Given the way shares question Jack was raising: how and thought that competition was essential are held these days, it would be easier to when do we want those votes to count? to the agency’s mission. figure out whether Al Gore won Florida The complexity of the restructuring and How do I know that? Because the than find out who the beneficial owners the privacy issues associated with getting statutes that empower us to make rules are; there are so many layers of interme- the funds access to those shareholders require examination of concentration diaries that, for most of the companies, are complex and troubling. And the first when we make them—though we most of the fund managers don’t know step in this process may be figuring out ordinarily don’t do it.38 I’ve been trying who their shareholders are—let alone what it is we want those votes to do. to move the agency in that direction what they think. It would make the to fulfill our statutory mandate, but CDOs during the financial crisis look Jackson: I was making a slightly differ- also to grapple with the reality we face, transparent. So my point is simply not ent point, which is just the very basic which is that the rules we adopt have that it wouldn’t be a really great idea first step of knowing what votes were the effect of concentrating power in to know, but without a major kind of counted in a contested election. Given this country, and we should be held restructuring that isn’t feasible, I don’t that people are rationally apathetic accountable for that.39 think it’s knowable. about casting their votes, it’s hard to see why we should impose the additional Coffee: You got us into the topic of Jackson: So that’s a good point that cost of them not even knowing whether investment bankers and common fees Ron’s making, and it’s consistent with a their vote will be counted in a close case. and limited competition, but the area statement I issued a few months ago on To me it’s very important that the that people talk about most is the grow- corporate voting.40 That system is such SEC step forward and take a position ing concentration among institutional a complete mess that it’s very hard to on this. I’ve advocated that if an inves- investors. Three of them in particu- even think about what the answer might tor wants to know whether their vote in lar—Vanguard, BlackRock, and State be. At an SEC roundtable six months a corporate election was counted, they Street—now account for about 20% ago, after watching the P&G proxy can get an answer to that question. And of the stock of all publicly held corpo- contest, I said that if an ordinary Amer- I’m actually very optimistic that the SEC rations. What does that mean for ican investor wants to know if his vote will take that step. corporate governance and the issues was counted in the election in which he we’ve been discussing today? voted, he’s not legally entitled to get that Coffee: So, you’ve touched on the ques- answer. That’s an astonishing thing. And tion about what ballots count. Another Ron Gilson: What I actually wanted to I hope we’ll soon fix that at the SEC. question that’s hiding behind that is comment on—but I’ll talk about that as whether the middle managers at mutual well—is Rob’s suggestion that the votes Gilson: The problem I’m talking about funds who actually vote the shares are cast by institutional investors and their is slightly different. For investors who voting the way the ultimate owners want, care about how their votes get cast, or the way the CEO or companies would 38 See id. n. 17 (“All four [of the Commission’s en- their best bet is probably to find special prefer. In cases where asset managers abling] Acts contain the following language: ‘Whenever … the Commission is engaged in rulemaking and is re- purpose funds. But there’s also likely to stand to gain from access to CEOs and quired to consider or determine whether an action is nec- senior management, the managers are essary or appropriate in the public interest, the Commis- likely to vote shares in favor of compa- sion shall also consider, in addition to the protection of 40 See Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., State- investors, whether the action will promote efficiency, ment on Shareholder Voting (Sept. 14, 2018) (“[T]here nies even when their shareholders might competition, and capital formation.’” (citing 15 U.S.C. is broad agreement that the Byzantine system that makes prefer otherwise. That brings us back to §§ 77b(b), 77b(f), 80a-2(c), 80b-2(c))). it impossible to know whether investors’ votes are being 39 See, e.g., Commissioner Robert J. Jackson, Jr., counted must be fixed.” (citing Marcel Kahan & Edward the old debate about short-term versus Dissenting Statement on Proxy-Advisor Guidance (Aug. B. Rock, The Hanging Chads of Corporate Voting, 96 long-term, because if you’re compensated 21, 2019) (“[B]ecause we have not more deeply exam- Geo. L.J. 1227 (2008) and David A. Katz, Wachtell, Lip- ined the implications of today’s guidance for competition ton, Rosen & Katz, Proxy Plumbing Fixes Are Desper- on the short-term rise in the portfolio as in corporate voting, I respectfully dissent.”). ately Needed (Aug. 31, 2010)). a middle manager, you may look at what
Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 41 ROUNDTABLE short-term stock prices are going to do. buybacks, a subject that’s gotten a lot of ultimate beneficiary of their fiduciary So, how do we determine whether or not attention. It’s very clear in the data that duties to be shareholders, or the other middle managers’ votes follow anything on the day executives announce stock stakeholders as well. other than the expected effect on their buybacks, they engage in more stock compensation? sales on that day than any other day, Jackson: That’s a good question, something like three times as much. I Cynthia. In fact, Jill Fisch, who’s here Jackson: That’s a great point. I think said that this practice is worthy of atten- today, signed an ESG petition not long one of the hardest things for me to tion, because it gives managers incentives ago that I was very impressed by. see in my new job is how little change to do stock buybacks—whether or not there has been in the incentives of those are long-run beneficial for the Jill Fisch: Cynthia wrote that petition. senior managers with respect to short- firm—because they can cash out their term versus long-term stock prices. shares today. Jackson: I didn’t know that! It’s a great The world’s leading scholar on execu- Jack, we have been talking about petition, important work. I wouldn’t tive compensation, Jesse Fried—who’s executive compensation and long-term oppose such a rule; but since we’re at a here with us, by the way—wrote a incentives as a Nation for a very long law school, I want to push back a little. paper in the University of Pennsylva- time. And far from solving that problem, Suppose companies were required to nia Law Review about a decade ago we haven’t even come close. We have a lot make disclosures about different forms where he recommended ways to adjust of work to do on that issue. of human capital. Now, is your thinking compensation to encourage long-term that such disclosures would encourage performance. In particular, he said Should Companies Aim to Address corporate managers to do a better job of that companies should force CEOs to Social Problems? thinking through, say, their human capi- keep their stock. It’s a great paper with Coffee: The third and last of our three tal investments by being held accountable great suggestions for change. But we’re topics is whether corporate managers for such investments? not following them. Dodd-Frank, for should be considering environmental example, contains a number of provi- and other issues, or is that some kind Williams: Possibly, but not necessarily. sions that would help corporate boards of political determination that’s beyond and managers understand and disclose their competence and expertise? Jackson: That’s, I think, what Colin to investors whether or not they’re would say, too. While favoring such taking those steps. Of all the thousands Cynthia Williams: I’m wondering if it disclosures, he would probably also say of regulatory initiatives in Dodd-Frank, makes sense for us to finesse or side- that, in cases where shareholders and there are four rules that remain unfin- step the shareholder versus stakeholder managers agree that what might be best ished. And all of them have to do with debate just by emphasizing one of for long-run shareholder value ends executive compensation. Colin Mayer’s points: the importance up hurting employees—say, shutting of measuring corporate performance down an unprofitable plant—they will Coffee: And they never will be finished. in terms of increases in—or depletions continue to agree to pursue the value- of—not only physical or financial capi- maximizing course. All disclosure does Jackson: Right, and that’s not a coinci- tal, but also of human capital, social in such cases is provide transparency with dence. One of the most troubling things capital, and natural capital—which are respect to that agreement. I’ve seen as a Commissioner is that many all of course critical inputs into the firm. Now, I think Colin might push of the corporate behaviors that are most If companies were required to disclose for something more in such a case; he challenging, or most hard to understand, more information of this kind, we might want boards to intervene and are driven by short-term incentives. As might be able to avoid the shareholder maybe say no to such decisions. So, I said earlier, I try hard not to be mad versus stakeholder debate. By so doing, even when managers could agree with at people who do what they get paid to we would be asking corporate manag- their shareholders in perfectly transpar- do; I try instead to change the regulatory ers and boards to measure and disclose ent terms that it would make sense to framework that affects how they get paid. the effects on all important stakehold- shut down a plant and lay off workers, I’ll give you an example. I did ers of the actions that they are taking, managers would be prevented by their a speech about a year ago on stock regardless of whether they consider the boards from making such a decision as a
42 Journal of Applied Corporate Finance • Volume 31 Number 3 Summer 2019 ROUNDTABLE matter of fiduciary obligation to consider many breadsticks should go on a table, smart people in this room to help answer. all stakeholders. but which molecules a major pharma- But, as Jeff and Ron point out, the hedge ceutical company should be investing its funds, by virtue of the large positions Williams: We don’t even have to go R&D dollars in. they take in individual companies, may that far into the fiduciary duty argu- And what’s important here is that the well be the only outside investors with ment. Boards and managers are already institutions seem increasingly inclined the incentives and capabilities to ask making decisions that affect social capi- to support these people. Though Black- those questions. As Ron and Jeff show, tal; and by disclosing such effects, they Rock now votes only 20% of the time the large institutional investors, and would be forced to explain and perhaps with the activists, that number is going especially the indexers like Vanguard justify them to markets, and in the up. Vanguard votes with activists 30% and BlackRock, have very weak incen- court of public opinion. I also think of the time. And for T. Rowe Price the tives, and limited capabilities at best, to such accounting could help solve Jeff’s number is 50%. do the kind of fundamental analysis that political problem, which is to persuade The government obviously also gives them the confidence to take such Congress to agree to a new social insur- believes in their “superhumanness,” in large positions in individual companies. ance scheme. And, finally, we might be part by giving them lower tax rates than But all that said, Trevor, you’re not providing accounting firms with a new any other working Americans. And it wrong to point out that our securities business opportunity from providing allows them to circumvent rules like laws are set up in a way that these folks new or better measures of these kinds of 13D that were put in place to ensure can and do take advantage of. And as implications and more information. people know when they’re sneaking up a Nation, I think what we should be on companies. asking is, are those the folks who should Jackson: I think those disclosure propos- So, since everyone recognizes that be setting our corporate agendas? I think als are important steps forward. But what these people are really a master race of it’s a question to which the answer is not I want to avoid is holding up a potential people, should we really be worried that obviously yes. solution as complete when it’s not. My they are asserting so much power? We’re goal with this kind of disclosure is that basically giving it to them. Coffee: We’ve reached the end of our it be designed to encourage companies time. Now that we’ve heard Rob speak, to make the investments that we know Jackson: Trevor, I think the concerns how many of you agree with me that he they are making and should continue you’re raising are very real, and I want should go after the big prize? to make. The challenge would then be to be specific about the way in which coming up with measurement devices, they’re real. In my second year on this and that would be an interesting debate. faculty, Jeff Gordon and Ron Gilson And I’m sure the accountants would be wrote a paper about the degree to which happy to help us. hedge funds have increasingly been setting the agenda that gets in front of Curbing Shareholder Activists? investors. Though first published in the Trevor Norwitz: Rob, you’ve expressed Columbia Law Review about five years concern about the concentration of ago, it was just reissued as the lead article power in the hands of too few people. in the Spring 2019 issue of the Jour- But I think we need to remember that nal of Applied Corporate Finance—and I these are not just ordinary mortals. What strongly recommend it. we’re talking about here is a race of super- The question raised by this article— men. We have one person who at the and the one that we have to ask moment is trying to take over the board ourselves—is whether the hedge funds of directors at Magellan and Dollar Tree, are the folks who should be setting who did take over Papa John’s Pizza, and that agenda. Should they be the people tried to take over the board of Bristol- asking the question about breadsticks or Myers Squibb and stop a big transaction. molecules? I think that’s a really valid This is a person who knows not only how question to ask, and I’ll leave it to all the
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SESSION IV: THE LAW, CORPORATE GOVERNANCE, AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
Columbia Law School | New York City | March 1, 2019
Leo Strine Jill Fisch Chief Justice, Saul A. Fox Distinguished Delaware Supreme Court Professor of Business Law, University of Pennsylvania
Eric Talley Bruce Kogut Professor of Law, Sanford C. Bernstein and Columbia Law School Company Professor of Leadership and Ethics at Columbia Business School
Mark Roe David Berg Professor of Law, Harvard Law School
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he three panels we heard this morning have discussed signif- T icant aspects of this emerging movement toward the idea of stakeholder- as opposed to shareholder-focused governance. But this is hardly a new debate. …You can easily trace today’s shareholder vs. stakeholder debate at least as far back as the 1930s. – Eric Talley
Eric Talley: Good afternoon, I’m It’s great to have you here. three panels we heard this morning Eric Talley, one of the co-directors of To Mark’s left is Jill Fisch, the Saul have discussed significant aspects of this the Millstein Center. I teach and do Fox Distinguished Professor of Business emerging movement toward the idea of research in corporate law, M&A, corpo- Law, and co-director of the Institute for stakeholder- as opposed to shareholder- rate finance, contracts, and business Law and Economics, at the University focused governance. But this is hardly stuff generally. And it’s a great pleasure of Pennsylvania. Jill does extensive work a new debate. Even the Milton Fried- to moderate this panel here this after- in corporate law and governance as well man contribution in 1970 was really noon. as securities regulation. Jill and I have just a weigh point along the road. You We’ve decided to do things a little known each other for over 25 years, can easily trace today’s shareholder vs. differently, and to ask each of our four having first met when we were green, stakeholder debate at least as far back panelists to make statements before we young professors. as the 1930s. start mixing things up. Before we get But for me personally, the debate started, let me run through a brief set Jill Fisch: You were green. goes back to an academic symposium of introductions. nearly two decades ago, where I was a In the power stool here is Chief Talley: Well, I guess so. But for the panelist alongside some dude named Justice Leo Strine from the Delaware record, we were both only 10 years old Vice Chancellor Leo Strine—and it was Supreme Court. As well as a good at the time. on exactly the same topic. And to prove friend, Leo is a leading light of corpo- And then to my left is Bruce Kogut, it, let me just quote from the article Leo rate law, well known to practitioners, the Sanford C. Bernstein and Company published from that symposium, in academics, other judges, and regulators Professor of Leadership and Ethics at 2002 I think it was: and legislators. And more important, Columbia Business School. Bruce is a The predominant academic approach by wearing jeans for this event, he’s leading national expert on corporate to the purpose of the corporation holds that effectively given us all the right, had we governance and ethics from the business it exists primarily to generate stockholder chosen to use it, to ditch business attire side. He teaches a course in governance wealth and that the interests of other for the panel. at the business school, as well as a new constituencies are incidental and subordi- After Leo will come Mark Roe, who class in business strategies for solving nate to that primary concern. The school is the David Berg Professor of Law at social problems. And having sat in on is dubious of allowing corporate boards of Harvard Law School. Mark’s teaching that class, I’m a big fan of his teaching directors to consider values other than the and research focus on corporate law, as well as his research. best interest of their current stockholders. governance, and bankruptcy. Many So, now that you’ve been intro- Another string of thought, however, has of you know Mark because he cut his duced to our cast of characters, we’re deep roots as well and sees the corporation teeth and his checks here in Morning- going to kick off the panel with Chief as a societal institution with responsibili- side Heights for many years as a member Justice Strine. And I want to be a little ties larger than the provision of returns to of the Columbia Law School faculty. So bit of a provocateur before I get you the current stockholder base, a base that notwithstanding that improvident move rolling, Leo, because I know I won’t often comprises largely transient equity north, welcome back to the fold, Mark. have much of an entrée afterwards. The holders with no long-term stake in the
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fate of any particular corporation. In this corporate law, but not nearly as far as my a professor at Columbia Law School, conception the corporate board of directors learned friend Colin Mayer does. But I’m Adolf Berle wrote an article saying owes duty to the corporation itself rather guessing that most people in this country basically the following: We have not yet than the shareholders, and in weighing any have forgotten what the word “general” had a New Deal. There’s now a group appropriate course of actions, the board is means in “Delaware general corpora- of people down in Delaware working entitled to think about the well-being of tions.” When corporations got their with New York lawyers on corporate other constituencies. start in this country—though don’t tell law. Our general corporation statutes are These competing arguments are the late Justice Scalia or Chief Justice getting more and more general and less appealing because they make us feel better Roberts this—there was no such thing as particular. And we’re concerned about about whichever of the two models we tend general corporation statutes. The govern- this phenomenon because corporations to favor. Best of all, they provide courts and ment chartered all corporations for a are less closely held and the people who other decision makers with a way out of a specific purpose that a very long charter own the equity have less of a stake in a basic conflict. If a board of directors can spelled out. And the ultra vires doctrine particular corporation, corporate manag- plausibly claim that the decision to reward had teeth, which meant that companies ers may feel more free to act in ways that employees with a pay raise now will pay off could only take actions that were related hurt their investors, and other people too. in the long term, and provide a return for to their state-sanctioned purpose. So, Berle’s article basically concludes by shareholders, the need to side with one of But then, between 1880 and the saying, “We better keep corporate law the two approaches magically disappears. 1920s, general corporation statutes and require that companies stick to their To me, Leo, that passage can emerged that, though using a basic knitting by putting their shareholders be read to make a sly type of defense template, had lots of provisions allow- first; because if we allow managers and of old-school shareholder primacy ing specific acts. One common one boards to do anything other than that, doctrine. And so, my question to you said that, if you wanted to do a merger, they will then justify their actions by is, what if anything has changed during you had to get the unanimous vote of claiming the greater social good, and they the last 15 to 20 years since you wrote your shareholders. And the ultra vires will end up being accountable to no one.” that? Why is this debate coming up doctrine stayed in effect, ensuring that So into this debate comes Merrick again and again? And is it now different companies were prohibited from taking Dodd, a Harvard Law prof who looks from the way it’s come up during all the actions not explicitly allowed by their like a lib when he points with approval years you’ve served on the bench and in charter or by law. to the head of General Electric’s state- practice? When the general corporation law ment: “We’re not simply about our statutes emerged and corporations were stockholders. We’re about society and Leo Strine: I think the debate’s never allowed more flexibility, one of the first everybody else, and why shouldn’t we gone away, and I’m not sure it’s differ- reactions was to regulate the corpora- be able to balance all these interests?” ent today than in the past. But the scope tion’s ability to act on behalf of society. Well, that sounds kind of “woke,” to use of the issue, and the consequences of Really anti-business people, like the New today’s word. But what was Dodd really getting it right, have both gotten bigger. York business people who supported arguing for? But let’s start with three words we Teddy Roosevelt, were among the first Again, it’s important to remember haven’t heard yet today: “The New to support regulations banning political that this is the early ’30s. Dodd was Deal.” I’m not talking about the Green contributions by corporations. arguing that we, the business elites, have New Deal, although I support aspects of But that brings us to the great debate learned our lessons. And we know how that. I mean the New Deal. And I want between Adolph Berle and Merrick to fix the things that brought you this to mention two other words: Citizens Dodd, which has often been misun- Depression, and the height of inequal- United. It’s surprising to me that here derstood. It was a “gotcha game”—one ity—and I’ll come back to this, because we are at 2:00, well past the midpoint of familiar to academics—where you take we’re now seeing levels of inequality we a full-day meeting, and we haven’t heard a part of your opponent’s thinking and have not seen since that era. either of those mentioned. try to score a point by taking it out of So, here’s Adolf Berle, the brain I also want to go back a little bit in context and distorting it. truster who wrote the key campaign the history of the corporations, and of In the early 1930s, when he was still speech about the economy for
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n terms of the ESG movement and everything we have to do, I I think we ought to be very careful not to forget, or confuse, what the Securities Acts were about. It’s important that everyone understand what corporations do—both what they are supposed to do for society, and what they are not supposed to do. That’s something everyone should know, whether they own publicly listed securities or not. – Leo Strine
Roosevelt—and I’m not going to since I was nine years old. came with that kind of economy. The pretend that the framers of the New But when mentioning Bernie the New Deal provided that scope. And as Deal knew exactly what they were doing other day, I had to point out that, things turned out, Franklin Roosevelt at every moment because Roosevelt was although Bernie will embrace the and others—including Adolf Berle, who an experimenter. But in his debate with term “socialist,” he has never called for was involved in the State Department by Dodd, Berle was basically saying, “BS state control of the means of produc- then—had the vision that allowed the on you. I’m a supporter of the idea that tion. What he has said is that there are New Deal to go worldwide. the corporation should operate within a places in the world like Scandinavia What happened was a period of structure—and we’re now in the process and Germany where market econo- American and European, or OECD, of creating that structure. And the reason mies have succeeded while taking hegemony where people thought that we need that structure is that we can’t into account the needs of the many. you didn’t actually need binding protec- just trust economically powerful people European social democracy is the tions. So we had this period of economic to do what’s best for everyone else; descendant of the New Deal. There’s security in Europe. Because of Adolph people with economic power should act a great biography of Clement Attlee Berle and his Delaware colleagues, with economic accountability—with showing that he was a huge admirer businesses have continued to operate power comes responsibility.” of the New Deal and that his Labour within a structure. And Berle himself Another clear lesson from the government—and by the way, no actually said something like this in the 30s—something I also like to focus government was more anti-Communist 1960s: With my arguments in corpo- on—is that power drives purpose. and more anti-fascist than Attlee’s— rate law so focused on stockholders, So, what happened in the U.S. when put in place many of the elements I think we can now actually relax some we adopted the New Deal? For all its of the economic security program of the legal protections for shareholders a imperfections, it got us through a time adopted by the New Deal. And much little bit because I feel more comfortable of rising authoritarianism, a time when of this was later adopted by the EU. now that businesses are operating within Communism had an appeal—even There’s also a period of French constraints. within our borders. We had people like history called the Trente Glorieuses—the When Marty Lipton wrote his Father Coughlin and Huey Long. People 30 glorious years—that I think is worth article in the Chicago Law Review in forget this. I got quoted using the “C” talking about. What was that about? 1978, he said that it’s got to be passé word the other day. I can’t be political, Well, think about what the New Deal to think that businesses will focus of course, because I’m a judge. But it’s accomplished. The scope of the Ameri- only on profit, because they can’t any pretty obvious who I’m going to support can economy had become nationwide, longer; they have to focus on the safety in the next presidential election, and it’s but the regulatory framework had to be of consumers. They have to focus on not Bernie. It’s the person I’ve supported extended to address the new realities that the environment. As I was saying to
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Colin, we no longer have foggy London world’s most famous Dutch rock band? enough. Well, sure, I’d like a bigger pie, because of government regulation; foggy It’s U2. U2 is Bono, and Bono suggests too. But if the people with the capital London was pollution. stuff for everyone to do. And you know shared the same frickin’ amount of the But I also want to give some credit what he did? To avoid paying his taxes, pie that used to go to the people who to Milton Friedman, even though I don’t he’s become a Stichting, a Dutch limited sweat, there’d be a lot less inequality. The really agree with anything the man said. liability corporation that ensures he pays fat cats at the top grab a bigger share But in the context in which he wrote as little income tax as he can. of the pie, and the representatives of his famous article, his ideas are not And that brings me back to the ordinary people—the money managers nearly as extreme as they’re now viewed question of economic inequality. who hold our equity capital for us—have by students. And here’s the reason. He What’s happening now is what I call the been in some ways part of the problem. wrote that in 1970, when there were “re-aggregation of capital.” I’ve written Take corporate California. I love very strong regulatory protections and talked about the “separation of California, but California started to for workers—not just in the EU, but ownership from ownership” for a long have a problem with social underin- even in the United States. If a union time. What is the most federally subsi- vestment during the years when they got elected and you didn’t recognize dized industry in the United States? It’s had to have referenda to pass anything. them, the NRLB would actually do money managers. Why do I say that? Institutional investors have made public its job, kick your butt, and make you Because for everyone of us who works corporations into the same kind of refer- bargain with them. So when Friedman and pays taxes, some of our money is endum-driven institutions. When you wrote that business should stick to its going to money managers every week. subject the boards of directors to the knitting, while staying within the rules And they hold it till we’re 60. If we save immediate whims of the marketplace, of the game, that may not have been so for retirement, or to send our kids to increase proxy votes on all kinds of bad—because the rules of the game were schools like Columbia, then part of your proposals, and the market puts pressure actually quite vibrant then. paycheck is going to a money manager on them, boards are going to respond But what’s happened since then? who gets fees for managing it. to that pressure. And one of the biggest Well, in international trade we have Now, when your money goes to a effects of that market pressure is, again, worked to open borders. That was part money manager to buy shares, you don’t this shift in gain-sharing from the of the vision, right? But what did we have any control over how your shares people employed by, and who sweat for, globalize? We globalized the power of get voted. The intermediaries do. And corporations to the people who supply mobilized capital. We made countries over time, regulation—the rules of the the capital. open up their markets. But did we game—have gotten weaker. The things So with that said, I think we have to provide global protections for working that protect workers have gotten weaker. talk about Colin’s question of power and people? No, we did not. Did we there- Particularly in the United States, the purpose. My only disagreement with fore expose workers in our communities bargaining power of workers has gone Colin is this: Do I think there’s an insight to competition from other places that down. Where we’ve seen moderately to be had in the design of corporate law treated workers less fairly? Yes, we did. less inequality in some OECD nations, about the purpose of the corporation? Did we shift jobs to places where people that’s because even at companies that Sure I do. But when corporations were could externalize their environmental don’t have unions, they have mandatory founded, most of them weren’t all over costs in a way that you couldn’t in the work councils that give labor power in the globe. When corporations did well USA? Sure we did. those societies that we don’t. and expanded, they tended to create We also allowed countries, states, So, with the increase in the power jobs in the communities in which they and municipalities to get played off of capital over corporations, the gain- operated. And the people who worked against each other and shift the tax sharing between workers and the for the corporation, managers as well as revenue burden away from business equity holders has shifted profoundly employees, often lived in the community and toward ordinary people. Look toward capital. I recently heard some where it operated. So there was more of at the share of school taxes and other billionaire hedge fund guy say the real a connection to a particular community things paid in the United States. We problem since the financial crisis is that and social setting, more gain-sharing as a also allowed hypocrisy. What’s the the “economic pie” hasn’t grown fast matter of course. But with the globaliza-
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tion of the economy, and all the overseas prevents the board of directors of a tion that actually provided four types investment, a lot of those connections prospering corporation from allocat- of contraceptives for its workers as have eroded—and that’s created a ing a larger share of that prosperity to part of its healthcare plan. But when problem for the corporation. the workers—that is, the same share as our Congress passes a bill providing The answer of the institutional would have been allocated in 1975 or for these contraceptives, suddenly it investor community to this problem 1965. These decisions that favor capital becomes a religious issue and women has been to rely on what I call “the have all been done by these boards of are prevented from having a healthcare thermometer.” And the thermom- directors and their managements. Do plan where an employee wants to use a eter is the “independent director.” I think that’s because they’re evil? form of contraception that the control- The independent director acts as a No, it’s because they operate within ling stockholders consider against their thermometer of the market. Indepen- a power accountability structure and religious beliefs. Well, whose pay was dent directors are defined as people they’re answerable to one constituency. it that went towards those contracep- who have absolutely no connection to Milton Friedman’s argument tives? Can controlling stockholders the company that would give them any that corporate law should stick to its keep employees from receiving key, reason to favor one corporate constitu- knitting—focusing on the relations legally required healthcare benefits just ency over another; they’re supposed to between managers and stockholders— because the controllers object? But the be resolutely impartial in that sense. But and leave the rules of the game that Hobby Lobby ruling shows that we have they are supposed to represent the long- protect other constituencies to be set a court system that puts the rights of the run interests of the shareholders; they by the political process—is no longer as few above the many. do this by acting as an instrument that credible as it once was. And this is where Now, I’ve had a little argument with recognizes what’s going on in the market Citizens United comes in. And here, Jeff, some of my friends who cited that case to and making sure that the market’s view I want to take issue with your use of the say, “See, corporations can be about more is understood by management and the term “asset owners.” These people are than stockholders.” And my response is, rest of the board. mostly not the asset owners; they are “That’s a weird case to cite for anything But if that’s the corporate purpose, direct fiduciaries, intermediaries, of good, because it’s a bad case.” And here’s what about corporate power? Eddie American investors. Most Americans why it’s bad. Why could the owners of a Cochran wrote a great song called don’t own Google and Apple directly. company prevent their employees from “Summertime Blues” in which a Their shares are held—or controlled and having access to contraceptives through teenager, after complaining he can’t get voted—by Vanguard and Fidelity. Fidel- their company health plan? Because they the car to go out with his girlfriend, says, ity, which has a lot of my money, is now are the stockholders. This decision wasn’t “Well, I called my Congressman and he the third-biggest indexer. And indexers about a larger purpose. It happened said, quote: ‘I’d like to help you, son, are not asset owners; they’re just as much because some particular people control but you’re too young to vote.’” In the an intermediary as anyone else. The asset that corporation. American polity, corporate law says that owners are the actual working people But, now let’s talk about Citizens the only constituency with the right to whose money goes into the system. United. Jeff, the third thing you didn’t vote or do things is the stockholders. Now, in terms of rules of the game, mention about the asset owners is that At the governmental level, our polity we have Citizens United v. Federal no one invests in index funds so that doesn’t stop society from deciding to Election Commission, which expanded the ultimate companies can spend your make contributions to the environ- political spending by corporations, and money for political purposes. Whether ment, social responsibility, the arts and an interesting case called Burwell v. you’re a conservative who doesn’t want cultural activities and from prioritizing Hobby Lobby Stores, where the Supreme those Silicon Valley folks talking their these things. But within the corporate Court ruled that owners of the stock good game about whatever they think polity, the people who are the citizens, of a family-owned corporation can’t be is the cool social issue of the day, or the people who really matter and have a required to pay for insurance coverage whether you’re somebody who doesn’t vote, are the stockholders. for contraception under the Afford- want the people who brought us carbon But all that said, there’s been no able Care Act when it violates their and who suppressed the research about Delaware case in the last 20 years that religious beliefs. We had a corpora- it controlling our environmental policy,
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there’s pretty much a consensus that we shortcuts get cut out over time. Exter- What we actually need to do then is to give the money over because we have to nality costs are borne by all universal come up with better rules of the game, save for retirement, and we don’t want owners, as Colin says. I agree with him with policies that make sense across corporations using our money to take fully on that. If you can operate in a borders—and not allow the kind of political stands we might not agree with. sustainable way, you can actually treat arbitrage that we have, not compete But what have we done? We’ve freed your workforce better. But things are with our basic values, and not pretend our creation to actually act on the rules going to be a lot harder if you’ve still got that any of the prosperity we have was of the game. And the people in the to compete with the WorldComs that solely the result of functioning markets. middle who are talking a good game— engage in fraud, or with energy compa- That experiment’s been done. That’s they abstain. They won’t even vote: nies like Massey that operate with too when we had child labor, and no limits BlackRock, Fidelity, and Vanguard will few people—all because the punk-ass on pollution. That’s what caused the rise give them a pass. Now they will vote on analysts are calling you up and asking of fascism and communism—the failure issues like disclosure. But they all know why you can’t replicate the performance to address the problems of a system that’s that no one authorized their vote. They of scum, and you don’t have a credible solely focused on lucre. We would not also know the better CEOs don’t want answer—or you get beat up for giving have the Internet if it were not for Al the ability to give because a legal prohi- your workers a 4% raise, which we’ve Gore. The government invented the bition on giving allows them to stay out seen these analysts do. Internet—and Al Gore passed a bill that of that business. But when you can give, But there are also things that we gave it to the private sector. The indus- you can get steamrolled into doing it. need to do on the government side. And try in California could not make chips We now can’t even trust the rules of the organizations like Aspen are working if they couldn’t wash them in water, and game to be set because if the Leviathan on it, asking questions like: Can we they wouldn’t have had water if it weren’t that we’ve created can actually take our tax in a smart way? Should we reduce for government. money without accountability and use speculation? Can we actually give more In the case of many of the drugs that it, then guess what they use it on: to breathing room to the asset managers to save people, much of the research in basic influence the very rules of the game that think long term? How about a gradu- science has been funded by government. the other constituencies are supposed to ated capital gains tax? Or a fractional Our most effective form of philanthropy rely upon. trading tax to stop fund hopping? How is when we pay our taxes. A billionaire And let me finish by giving a shout about investments in infrastructure? who pays an effective tax rate of less out to my friend Judy Samuelson at We will not solve this problem just than 10%, but then gives 1% to charity The Aspen Institute. A lot of us have by looking within the domestic U.S., or and gets feted, is socially irresponsible been working on things that are not within the EU alone. We cannot shut compared to a working person who pays one-dimensional. I do not disagree at our eyes and our hearts and souls to the an effective tax rate of 20%. So I think we all with the idea that corporate gover- need for the developing world to move need to talk about all these dimensions, nance alone is not a solution. But is it forward. But we don’t have the time to but we cannot talk about the purpose important? Is the way in which people learn the history lessons as slowly as we of corporations without considering vote, and the space that the investors learned them before. If we allow the the power structures within which they give to the people running corporations kind of environmental destruction that operate. to operate in a sustainable, responsible we had in the 19th century, if we allow So, Adolf Berle was a realist. He’s way important? Sure it is. And is there ten more years of that to go on, we won’t one of my heroes, and so is George something to the idea that the longer- have a planet. Orwell. If we want to do good things, we term interests of workers are actually We shouldn’t have to be debat- have to be clear-eyed about what we’re consistent with those of most human ing minimum wages any longer. We doing and how we’re doing it. That’s a investors, and that higher long-run know they make sense. We should tradition at Columbia Law School, and returns to stockholders depend on our not be debating child labor laws. We I’m proud to be here—and I probably doing a better job of protecting the know they make sense. We know took too much time. But that’s my interests of workers in society? that working people need economic counter-narrative. And I’m wearing Levi I think there actually is. Because security. All the OECD nations agree. jeans, which, last time I checked, were
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he economy-wide evidence does not point to stock-market- T driven being a big problem... There’s something else going on. – Mark Roe
still being made in the United States of we could talk about for my 10 minutes. facing the U.S. economy today. For America. I’m not going to talk about the first example, Marty Lipton, in his 1979 issue because I agree on the essentials Business Lawyer article on takeover bids, Eric: Now, we will hear from Mark Roe, with Leo. If Leo were campaigning for said that “It would not be unfair to pose who, as I told you earlier, is the David office, he would get my vote on these the policy question whether the long- Berg Professor of Law at Harvard Law issues—because I share most of Leo’s term interests of the nation’s economy School. Mark, take it away. vision of what’s wrong and what needs should be jeopardized to benefit specu- to be fixed. I’d just add that in looking lators.” And Joe Biden recently wrote A Closer Look at Stock-Market- for solutions, we should be guided by the a Wall Street Journal op-ed stating that Driven Short-Termism utilitarian principle of seeking the great- “Short-termism is a problem. It’s a Mark Roe: Thanks, Eric. When Jeff est good for the greatest number. Most problem in the way it hurts employees asked me to be on this panel, he suggested of us are, I think, but we can disagree and workers.” And from the business that I look through Leo Strine’s published on how to get there. Even Milton Fried- community we’ve heard similar state- work in the law reviews to identify the man’s shareholder primacy view, which ments from Warren Buffett and Jamie big themes. I teach one of Leo’s articles Leo criticized, was justified by the expec- Dimon in the Wall Street Journal. every semester in a corporate law semi- tation that it produces the greatest good Justice Strine is in this consensus nar. And so I’ve got good familiarity with for the greatest number. camp. One of his articles has the title, them and know their big-picture themes. The second big theme in Leo’s “Can Corporations Be Managed for Two major issues keep coming up in writing is corrosive corporate short- the Long Term Unless Their Powerful Leo’s work, one of which we heard a lot termism. The theme of this conference Electorates Think in the Long Term?” In about in his presentation just now. The is “narratives and counter-narratives.” But another article, Leo states that “directors second one Leo mentioned only briefly here the question of what is the narrative are increasingly vulnerable to short- in his talk, but it plays a big role in his and what is the counter-narrative lacks a term objectives, sacrificing long-term writing. clear answer. The most common narra- performance for short-term shareholder The first of the two big themes is that tive is that short-termism is rampant and wealth.” to be a successful institution, the public a deep problem, and Leo strongly believes corporation has to work for the average that. So what I’m now going to provide Four Strands of the person, and it has to be seen as working is thus a counter-narrative: namely, that Short-Termism Argument for the average person. The second theme the economy-wide data does not point When I took a comprehensive look at is that stock-market-driven corporate to stock market short-termism being a the literature on the subject, includ- short-termism, with all the relentless deep problem. ing Leo’s, I found that there are four trading and hedge fund interventions, Short-termism has been seen as a main, interrelated consequences asso- deeply damages the American corpora- deep problem for a long time, with there ciated with stock-market-driven tion and economy, and we’ve got to do being something close to a consensus short-termism. One focuses on cutbacks something about it. now that market-driven short-termism in corporate capital expenditures. A Those are two big-picture topics that is one of the major economic problems second is that pressure on companies
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Slide 1 than it is in the United States. Capital Economic Change: Capex Is Down throughout the OECD expenditures to GDP in Germany and The Similar Capital Expenditure Trendsthroughout the OECD Japan, where the stock market plays a much less important role in corporate OECD Germany finance than in the U.S., have declined 30 30 more sharply than in the U.S.—the
2 2 country where, with the possible excep- tion of England, companies rely most 20 20 heavily on the stock market.1 1 1 19 0 19 19 2 19 199 2000 200 2012 19 0 19 19 2 19 199 2000 200 2012 So, is the stock market the likely culprit? Maybe. But I’d suggest Japan U.S.A. instead that companies now operate 3 30 in a post-industrial economy that is 30 2 fundamentally different from the prior, 2 hard-asset-intensive economy. Today’s 20 20 companies are also making more 1 1 efficient use of capital equipment than 19 0 19 19 2 19 199 2000 200 2012 19 0 19 19 2 19 199 2000 200 2012 in the past. The comparative data should
Source: The World Bank National Accounts, gross fixed capital formation (% of GDP), https://data.worldbank.org/ at least give us pause before jumping to indicator/NE.GDI.FTOT.ZS?end=2016&start=1960&view=char (accessed Jan. 2, 2018). the conclusion that the American stock market is causing capital expenditures to decline. for distributions—that is, dividends to cut back on productive investment Buybacks as draining cash? But what and stock buybacks—is starving compa- to generate higher near-term earnings about the second charge? Are corporate nies of cash. The third is that these cash and returns on capital. But there distributions via stock buybacks leading shortages are leading to cutbacks in are simpler, and more plausible, to a cash shortage? Stock buybacks are, research and development. And fourth, alternatives. One, we’ve just come of course, one of the castigated conse- and perhaps most troubling, is the through a weak recovery from the quences in the current debate. And claim that stock markets in their obses- financial crisis, and the recent big drop there’s no doubt that there’s been a sion with near-term profit don’t support in corporate capex is likely a lingering significant increase in buybacks by longer-term innovation by giving inno- effect of the crisis. But there’s another the largest U.S. companies—say, the vative companies full or fair valuations. possibility we’ve got to look at— S&P 500. But what many of us fail The overall consequence of these that there’s something much more to recognize is that there’s also been a four elements is that we suffer from a fundamental that is happening in the comparable increase in net borrow- much weaker economy than we would economy that’s causing companies to ings by the S&P 500 companies over have otherwise. And let’s just look at use hard assets less and soft assets more the same period. In fact, it looks as if each of these four complaints—the than ever before. And these soft assets since the financial crisis, the entire large four big themes of the short-termism don’t get recorded on the balance sheet. corporate sector has maintained roughly literature. Here’s a slide that I think is worth the same level of total capital while Capex. Start with the decline of looking at again and again (Slide 1). As recapitalizing itself, replacing equity corporate capital spending. And it you can see in the bottom right, capital with increasing debt. And with interest is declining as a percentage of GDP, expenditures as a percentage of GDP in rates at near zero from 2009 until now, there’s no doubt about it. But why is it the United States have been falling for this would appear to be a sensible thing declining? the past several decades. But when you The dominant hypothesis has been look at the rest of the OECD over the 1 The underlying sources for the graphics and data in this talk can be found in Mark J. Roe, “Stock Market that stock market trading and activist same period, the slope of their decline Short-Termism’s Impact,” University of Pennsylvania Law interventions have forced companies in capital expenditure is actually sharper Review 167:71–121 (2018).
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Slide 2 Slide 3 Rise in Both Net Stock Buybacks and in S&P 500 Cash-on-Hand as a Portion of GDP, Net Borrowing in the S&P 500, 1985-2015 1971-2015
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