387 Ekcibt of Dy. Speaker AUGUST 13.1991FeWtatims to Dy. Spaaker 388

Singh. Shri Ramnaresh (Aurangabad) Zainal Abedin. Shri (Jangipur)

Singh. Shri Surya Narayan (Balia) MR. SPEAKER: Subject to conec- tion', the resuk of the Division is: Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap (Fatehpur) Ayes: 278 Sur, Shri Monoranjan (Basirhat) Noes: 104 Syed Shahabuddin, Shri (Kishanganj) The moth was adopted Tirkey. Shri Pius (Alipurduars) MRSPEAKER: I declare Shri S. MaC Topdar, Shri Tarit Baran (Barrackpore) likarjunaih duly elected as the Deputy Speaker of the House. Ummareddy, Venkateswarlu, Prof. (Tenali) Shri S. Mallika~junaiahwas conducted to Unnikrishnan, Shri K.P. (Badagara) the Deputy Speaker's seat by the Leader of the House,. Shri Arjun Singh and the Vadde, Shri SobhanadreeswaraRao (Vijaya- Leader of the Omsition, Shri La1 K. wada) Advani.

Verrna. Shri Uperndra Nath (Chatra) 12.1 5 hrs. Yadav, Shri Chandra Jeet (Azamgarh) FELICITATIONS TO DEPUTY SPEAKER Yadav, Shri Devendra Prasad (Jhanjharpurj [English] Yadav. Shri Ram Lakhan Singh (Arrah) THE MINISTER OF HUMAN RE- Yadav, Dr. S.P. (Sambhal) SOURCE DEVELOPMENT ( SHRl ARJUN SINGH): Hon. Speaker. Sir, with your per- Yadav, Shri Surya Narayan (Saharasa) mission I would like to say that this House has. today, carried out a very important Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar (Nalanda) function by electing the Deputy Speaker of

'Following Members also recorded their votes:-

Ayes: S1sM.D.H Farook, P.V. Rangayya Naidu. S.B. Nyamagouda, Salman Khursheed. M. Baga Reddy. D.P. Paul, K.G. Shivappa, T.R.L. Bhosale, Rao Ram Singh, R. Dattaji Maghe, Sarat Chandra Patnaik, Ajit K. Pawar. M. Krishna Swamy, Pawan Diwan, Banwari Lal Verma, C.K. Kuppuswamy, P.P. Kaliaperumal. Anand Ahirwar, Bheru Lal Meena, N.K. Baliyan, Mohan Vishnu Rawale. Suren- dra Pal Pathak, Bal Raj Passi, Ramesh Tomer, Virendra Singh. Briibhushan Sharan Singh, Prabhu Dayal Katheria. S. Mallikarjunaiah, Dr. Laxmi Narayan Pandey, Kum. Uma Bharti, V.N. Sharma, Mangal Ram 'Premi', Bhuwan Chandra Khanduri, Vinay Katiyar, Ram Tahal Chowdhary, Swami Yogananda, Bhagwan Shankar Rawat, Dr. Gunvant Rambhau Sarode, Anand Ratna Morya. Shyam Behari Mishra, Gaya Prasad Kori. Mahavir Singh Gohel. Mallu Ravi, and Imchalemba. Noes: Sls Thota Subba Rao, Tej Narayan Singh, Subrata Mukherjee, G. Ganga Reddy, B. Dharma Bhiksham. T.J. Anjalose, Braja Kishore Tripathi. Arjun Singh Yadav, and Shri Ashraf Fatimi. 389 Felicitations to SRAVANA 22,1913 (SAKA) Dy. Speaker 390 this august House. The hon. Deputy Speaker tions). We were imprisoned together in the has a wealth of experience behind him about Central Jail in Bangalore. Since then his the legislative business and we all know that personality, his amiable and pleasant na- his tenure, as the Deputy Speaker of this ture, his concern for everyone and his readi- House, will be to the satisfaction of all sec- nes to go out of the way to help and extend tions of this House. It is one thing that has cooperation has left an indelible mark on me. come out as a result of the recent election Now when the Bhartiya Janata Party doned and Iwould like the House to recall, with your the mantle of being a major opposition party permission, what I had the privilege to say on this issue and discussed various possi- here when the Vote of confidence was being bilities with the Government over the elec- debated. And that is, we are now in a differ- tion of Speaker and Deputy Speaker, my ent phase of political development in this party felt that a person who has served the country. The people have given a decision Karnataka Legislative Assembly for the last which has, and which is, clearly reflected in 19 years, as an effective Deputy Speaker this House - both on this side and on that there, if elected to the Lok Sabha, could do side. The Congress Party, as the Prime justice to Parliament and Parliamentary Minister has said, respects this decision of conventions. That was the reason why I the people of this country and will always try moved this motion which was supported by to act in a manner so that every decision that the House. Ithank the Hon. Prime Minister, is taken by him and by hisGovernment bears theGovernment and the Leaderof the House the stamp of the people's verdict in the last for setting a new tradition in this regard and election. On the issue of the Deputy Speak- want to forget whatever has happened. I am ership, I must make it very clear that in the sure that if in spite of differences, we are best traditions of this House .... (Interrup- concerned abut traditions and institutions tions) which have degenerate during the past years, we would, as the Leader of the House rightly SHRl SOBHNADREESWARA RAO pointed out, usher in a new era and the VADDE (Vijayawada): You have trampled democracy would become stronger and upon the traditions of the House. In the healthier. Eighth Lok Sabha you had given the Deputy Speaker's post to your ally, the AIADMK. With these words, I once again con- (Intenuptions) gratulate Shri S. Mallikarjunaiahonmy behatf and on behalf of my party and hope that the SHRl ARJUN SINGH: That the principal House would run smoothly under his guid- Opposition Party of this House hasthe Deputy ance (Interruptions) Speaker from its ranks and the Congress Party has upheld those traditions.-that is SHRl RASHEED MASOOD (Sahar- what has actuated our decision. I wish the anpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on my behalf and Deputy Speaker all the success in his new on behalf of my party, I congratulate Shri off ice. (Interruptions) Mallikarjunaiah for being elected as Deputy Speaker of the House. I would like to assure [ Translation] him that the Janata Dal (1ntenuptions)sorry not Janata Dal but National Front SHRl LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi Nagar): (Interruptions) I did not include them be- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I congratulate Shri S. cause i know they would also speak. I con- Mallikarjunaiah for being elected as Deputy gratulate him on behalf of the National Front Speaker of the House. Though, as a fellow and assure him that we would extend to him colleague of my party, I know him personally all possible cooperation. for the last several years but I saw him from cbse quarters 12-13 years back when the Besides, I want to congratulate the country was passing through a crisis and Congress (I) for having taken a decision democracy was about to eclipse (Interrup- which we had predicted. I was myself a Dy, Speaker 391 Felicitations to AUGUST 13,1991

[Sh. Rasheed Masood] to these principles, traditions and conven- tions. The Congress party has wt~~again candidate in this election and Ihad fought it proved it today. Why it has done so, Ifail to deliberately knowing that I would lose. But understand. I should not say much in this this has not happened for the first time. You regard. (Interruptions) Just now, a quarrel might recall that prior to this we had sought was going on in the House. Some Members the confidence vote for our Government, from the ruling party and some from the knowing very well that we would not win. We opposition accused each other of had sought confidence for certain principles being...." .... That quarrel has not yet been and it is once again for those very principles over. I don't know which person is ...**... in we have fought this election today. These their view (Interruptions) are the principles through which Mahatama Gandhi gave the country a new direction. [English]

Eariier, we have heard a lot about 'poli- MRSPEAKER: That is not going on ' tics of convenience' but it is for the first time record. that I heard about 'Convention of Conven- ience' and that too from the Congress. The [ Trans la tion] Leader of House said that if there is a candi- date from the largest opposition party forthis SHRl RASHEED MASOOD: If it is ..."... post, convention is that he should be made whether you you have (Interruptions) l would the Deputy Speaker but Congress has never like to congratulate you for it. I followed this convention since Parl~ament has been formed. Had it been so and the SHRl VISHWANATH PRATAP SlNGH Congress had followed this convention I (Fatehpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to would not have filed my nomination for this congratulate Shri Mallikarjunaiahforhis being election. I would have respected that con- elected as the Deputy Speaker, The Election vention. But the Congress Party never re- was held recently and with the end of the spected that convention. Not only this, the election process he gains the confidence of entire House might be remembering the fact all the sections ot the House. Therefore, I and I would also like to remind the House would not like to go into this debate. 01 again through you that in 1980 the deputy course, I agree with the views of the Leader Speaker was elected from a party which was of the House that the politics hastaken a new having the fourth position in Lok Sabha and turn. But the people of the country very was an aly of the Congress. (Interruptions) minutely understand this new political alli- ance. (Interruptions) But the National Front We have to develop this country and I and the Lett Front parties had fielded Shri totally agree with the leader of the House Rasheed Masood as their candidate in this that the present conditions are forcing us to election. We were fully confident of his capa- consider seriously about the country. I have bility and experience, but as he has ex- written a letter to the hon. Members-possi- pressed his views that we will extend our full bly they have got itinwhich I have men- cooperation. (Interruptions) We have full tioned that in the present situation of the confidence in this House and will fully coop- country, we must consider whether the steps erate with him. taken by us are in accordance with the principles and traditions laid down by Ma- [English] hatma Gandhi and his colleagues after inde- pendence. But it is the bad luck of this SHRl country and I regret to say that the ruling (Bolpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my party of our country never paid any attention party and myself, offer my felicitationsto Shri

"Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 393 Felic~ationsto SRAVANA 22,191 3 (SAK4) Dy. Speaker 394

Mallikajunaiah on his election to the high be done on the floor of the House. It is a office of the Deputy-Speaker of Lok Sabha. leading Oppositii Party. So far as the Congress-l is concerned, there can never be Sir, on our behalf, we offer him not only any collaboration with the UPon any prin- our good wishes, but also our cooperation cple or any ideobgy. Whereas our hon. that in the discharge of his duties we shall Vishwanath Pratap Singh was having this certainly see that he is able to regulate the Party as arxutch for eleven bng months. House and give proper opportunities to all Now you are taking about this. (Intemp sections of the House to express their views. hm) He has long experience as a Presiding Offi- cer in one of the State Legislatures and Iam SHRl SOMNATH CHAll€RJEE: Sir, it sure his experience there will also help in is a very unusual intervention by the Leader conducting the business of the House, al- of the House when Iam felicitating the new though he is new so far as Lok Sabha s Deputy Speaker. I am not sure, probably concerned. there is a guilty conscience so far as the Leader of the House is concerned. Sir, Iwish to make it clear that we did not wish to make any personal reflection on the THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY capacity and ability of our new D-wuty AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NAB1 AZAD): Speaker when we put up acandidate against You have guilty on conscience. (Intemtp him. We had done it on some political prin- tions) ciples that we wanted to place before the House. The Leader of the House has said SHRl SOMNATH CHATERJEE: 0th- that the people's decision in the last elec- erwise, he would not have moved in the tions is reflected also naturally in the House. manner he did. It was very unusual. Now the Congress-l are the largest party here and they have formed the Government. The Leader of the House has raised this It seems now they have understood the topic. He has raised the question of tradition. people's verdict to be that they should cot- He has referred to it. He has referred to the laborate and cooperate with the BJP in run- question of people's verdict being imple- ning this Government. (Interruptions) mented here. Iam referring to that Why are you feeling so disturbed? SHRl ARJUN SINGH: Sir, Iam not very conversant with how we should speak on THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI this occasion because this is the first time I C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF): This is not the am speaking in the House on this occasion occasion for debate. (Interruptions) ' . But, with your permission, Sir, I think, the normal practice is that we do say what we MR.\ SPEAKER: It will not go on record. have to say about the person who has been elected. SHRl SOMNATH CHAlTERJEE: This is the language of the Minister. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTEWEE: Ihave not said anything against the person. MR. SPEAKER: That is not going on record. SHRl AWUN SINGH: But ifthisisgoing to be a basis of political debate, then kindly SHRl SOMNATH CHATTEWEE: The hear me cut. (Interruptions) We are not so-called tradition referred to by the Leader accustomed to snide remarks abut our con- of the House is the Speaker to be selected viction. I would like to make it very very clear from the ruling Party and the Deputy Speaker that what has been done is what needed to from the principal Opposition Party. This is

'Not reoorded. 3% Feliciations to AUGUST 13,1991 Dy. Speaker 396 [Sh. Somnath Chatterjee] agreed to it, Ithought that it is in the fitness of things and it is a new augury and, there- the first time, to justify the present selection fore, I welcomed it. or election of Speaker or Deputy Speaker of the House, the Congress4 party has sup- SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I do posedly followed this tradition. not know (Inten~qtbns)It seems that Shri Advani and his Party during the Ninth Lok Sir, I have the privilege of being in this Sabha, veryfairly had reminded the National House from the Fifth Lok Sabha. Ihave seen Front of the tradition which the Congress that tradition being followed only when the never followed and the NationalFront imme- Congress has been out of power. From 1971 diately respondedto that and if Imay remind on wards, this has never happened and or~ly Shri Advaniji (Interruptions) as one of the in 1977, when the Janata Dal Government other supporting parties, we also wanted was there and only in 1989 (Interruptions) that Shri Shivraj V. Patil be elected Deputy when the National Front Government came Speaker. Please give us that credit also. into power, this tradition was observed and Therefore, all of us have been trying to put folbwed. some good sense in the heads of the Con- gress Party all the time. 1 am sure Shri Advaniji also agrees with me that there was no such tradition which Now the present electoral arithmetic of Congress party believed in. (Interruptions) this House has sort of reminded the Con- gress party of their great tradition which they SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF: Why do never followed and now they have tried to you raise this Question? Don't tell this. follow the National Front and the Janata Dal tradition in this House. It is good. It is very SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: So good. People will know. People will decide. far as I can recall, subject to correction by People will judge and, therefore, so far as we Shri Advaniji, when you were elected as are concerned, I believe, in this country the Deputy Speaker in the Ninth Lok Sabha, Shri way thecampaign was launched, during the Advaniji referred to the fact that when Con- last election,the people of thiscountry wanted gress has been defeated, the tradition has secular political parties and a secular Gov- been followed. Of course, now he is happy ernment (Interruptions) that the tradition is being maintained in this House also because his Party's nominee They never voted (lnterwptions) has become the Deputy Speaker. I only wanted to refer to this thing because the THE PRIME MINSTER (SHRI P.V. Leaderof the House referredto this thing. He NARASIMHA RAO): Please allow me to say tried to justify his party's decision. one word.

SHRl LAL K. ADVANI: As a matter of SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: lthink fact, even when the National Front Govern- 1 should not be disturbed. ment was there, it had offered the post of Deputy Speaker to my Party, (Interruptions) SHRl P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: No. Iam but because my Party has always been just trying to help you. Will you also throw pbading that the post of Deputy Speaker some light on whether there is a convention should go to the Opposition and, at that point forthe Speakershipalso in the House? (Inter- of time, my Party was ihe supporting Party. ruptions) (Interruptions), therefore, even though my critics are correct when they say that this is SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: May I theconventionthat has not been practised in remind the hon. Prime Minister what Shri the past, but my party was concerned and lndrajit Gupta said on that day? We avoided they insisted on it. So, when the ruling party it on that occasion because we sincerely 397 Fekitatitms st0 SRAVANA 22,1913 (SAKA) Dy. Speaker 398 feliied you, Mr. Speaker. We know you. Of course, that will be remedied now, Ihope. The hon. Prime Minister has been saying But I take it from what the Leader of the that to run the Government the Speaker has Oppositionhas said thattheir choice is based to be from the ruling party, otherwise he on his ability, his experience and his back- cannot run the Government. Shri lndrajit ground and certainly once he is elevated to Gupta rightly pointed out that it & rrOI the pb that high office, he no longer belongs to the of the Speakerto runthe Govm~mt.(Inter- BJP or to any other party. Therefore, on npfions) Therefore, there has been no such behalf of my party, Iam fully preparedto offer occasion. After all, in what cirrmmstances our full cooperation to him in running this we had proposed the candidature of Shri House according to the procedures, the Rabi Ray, everybody knew. We have made norms and in keeping with the dignity and it dear. And, if the hon. Prime Minister now deaxum of this House. wishes to raise it, we are prepared to have a discussion on the floor of this House as to Sir, I wish him well. Since so many what should beihe tradition, the convention things have been said here, may I also add regarding appointment of Speaker in this a little bit of myself? Ionly want to be sparred. House. My request is to the Congress party. Do what you like because you are running a minority SHRl P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: You are Government. I know you have your own talking of convention. Who broke your compulsions. You need some support. tt is convention? (Internrptions) upto you tochoose your supporters. Icannot dictate to yo^. But please spare us from SHRl SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I do these daily sermons which are being pro- not know why the Prime Minister intervened. nounced by some gentleman who is sup- I do not wish to go further. We want the posed to be an official spokesman, briefing House should run proprly. In spite of the the Press everyday and saying that the country having the misfortune of having a Congress Party has taken this decision CongressGovernment, this country and this because it is always adhering firmly to the House should run. This House has to run. gloriius traditions and conventions of this (lntermptions) House. Neither Shri Godey Murhari nor Pr0f.G.G. Swell nor Dr. Thambi Durai ever SHRI DEVRAYA NAlK (Kanara): He is belonged to any identifiable Opposition par- insulting the verdict of the people of this ties. They were either Independents or they country (Interrclptions) were people who belonged to parties which were indistinguishable from the Congress SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: That Party. Such people were deliberately made is why on this side of the House and speak- Deputy-Speaker by you. The largest party ing on behalf of my party and for myself, I sitting in the opposition here at one time, was would say that we have always given the the Telegu Desam Party. You never both- cooperation and we assure the hon. Deputy- ered to offer them the Deputy-Speakership. Speaker that we shall continue the coopera- So, what is the convention? There is no tion with the Chair so that the business of this convention except when Shri V.P.Singh was House is transacted smoothly and properly. the Prime Minister. Only at that time, that convention was fully followed. Otherwise, it SHRI (Midnapore): has never been followed. (Interruptions) Sir, I was feeling so sorry for Shri Mal- likarjunaiah. He must be thinking that it could SHRI GULAM NAB1 MAD: It was not have been better if we have dispensed with the otfiaally recognised not the opposition. the so called felicitation (Interruptions) This went into something else. Anyway, I do not SHRl INDRAJIT GUPTA: I know that. have the opportunity of claiming that Iknew Mr. Ghulam Nabi Azad, Iknow that, Iam a bit him personally. Ido not know him personally. olderthan you in this House. Iknow that they AUGUST 13.1991

[Sh. lndrajit Gupta] this hw.I wish him wail. &R at the time. Imust be very frank and tamst b the were not an offiilopposition. When t here is &use that qscientiously I CanfIOt per- no official opposition. you are free to do as suade mysd and my COlbEagUes in this you like. Anyway. 1 am only saying. please House to vote for the Motion that W~Pbdom spare me from this daily press briefiqs by the Hwse. Imust be frank because I ham that gentlemen, Ido not want to name him. basic, f undambntaldierenoes with the BJP. outside, whom you have selected as your 1 hope, they will sort it out. Ihape, that wl be offidspokesman. Ido not think. he knows in the interest d the country. &R so bng as anything about the traditions and wnven- they are not sorted out, Iwill have basic and tions of this House. Bot he is saying so many fundamentaldtfferenceswhh the BfP. There- things outside that it bemmes difficub some- fore, Icould nol persuade myself to vate for times to tolerate these things. You do what the Motion n this Hwse. you like. We do not mind. h is up to you. It is your choice. Once a Parliament takes a I hope the House wili understand the decision, we have to abide by that decision. feelings as this is a question prfflcpies- Therefore. Shri MaMikarjunaMh, who is now When Isajj this. Ihave nothing against the the Deputy-Speaker, elected duly by this personality who is elected to the Deputy- House, is toperform his fundions and we will Speakershipd the House. Ihave all resped certainly cooperate with him to see that the for him resped f& his experience and re- House is conducted properly. Ican assure spect for his ability. 1congratulate him again. him d that And Iwish him weli for that. Ihope. he will be able to run this House very well with his vast experience of 19 years as As far as Congress Party is concerned. a presidmg officer m the KarMtaka Legash- it is for them to do what they like. 1 cannot, live Couml. Anyway, this has been the somehow or c~ther.isobte my mind fmm feeling which I wanted to frankly share with what was happening in the last two or three the House. Iwishthe elected Deputy-Spedcer days. tt a\\ got mixed up. There was some all sutxess. 1 have mth'ing personal against bitterness going on in the House and the him. Out party will cooperate with him am- House was not able to function for two to pletely in running the House smoothly. I three days. We all know why that was hap- hop, he will also do justice to all sedions d pening. You do not want me to repeat all the House. Ionce again congratulate him. those things again. So, it is very difficult, one to way end next day be day think inone the to , SHRl B. VUAYAKUMAR RAlU (Nar- asked to think in a completely opposite way. sapur): Mr. Speaker, Sir. Iwant to congrahr- It is very diicult for us. Anyway, it is up to late Shri Malllkajunaiah, on his beiielected you. It is your choice. as Deputy Speaker of the House. He was a senior Legislator in Kamataka and he is well If Baba Buta Singh is really so con- experienced. On behalf of Telugu Desam vinced about what he is trying to say, Ithink, Party, we wish him all success in discharging it would have been a better gesture on his his duties. part, if he had come to the House today wearing an orange or yellow colour turban Iwant to bringtothenoticeof the Leader (Interruptions) of the House, Shri Arjun Singh, who talked about the traditions and conventions, that SHRI ARJUN SINGH: We thank him for we are an aggrieved party. In 1984, our Party his sermons! was deprived of its fght to get the post of Deputy Speakership. At that time Congress SHRl EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT was in power. Now. Shri &ad was telling (Ponnani): Mr. Speaker. Sir, rise to con- that at that time, out was not an official gratulate and felicitate Shri Mallikarjunaiah, opposition party. But. at that time, all parties who has been elected Deputy-Speaker of had supported the TDP to get the Deputy SRAVANA 22,191 3 (SAKA) @. Speaker 402 Speaker post. On that occasion. the Con- disrespedpersonally,to Shri Mallikarjunaiah. gress Party had left all the traditions and We all have got faith; we have all praise for conventions and according to their conven- his abilities, his capacity to become the ience, because of their being in majority, Deputy Speaker of the House. We opposed have buttdozed the traditions and selected him on the basis of certain principles which the AlADMK candidate, Shri Thambi Durai. are very much fundamental to the positii taken by us. During the election campaign, Secondly, Iwant to bring to the notice of we made it abundantly dear that our party this Hwse that on the Public Accounts and the left forces as a whole would demar- Committee issue also, at that time, Mr. Jaipal cate itsell from such forces which are inimi- Reddy's name was proposed by all parties cal to the unity and integrity of the country. including the BJP but, unfortunately, the That being the fundamental position taken Congress Party chose AIADMK candidate by the Left parties, it has forced us to vote only. Then also, they had forgonen every- against the motion moved by Shri Advani. thing about traditions and conventions. So, I This, again I make it clear, does not mean want to condemn this kind of approach of the any disrespect personally to Shri Mal- Congress Party. likarjunaiah. Therefore lwant to be forgiven by him for this. Once again, on behalf of Telugu Desam Party, I extend our fullest cooperation to Shri So far as the tradition of the Congress- Mallikarjunaiah, to discharge his duties and I is concerned, we are with him in the smooth running of this House. MR. SPEAKER: ISit necessary to re- peat it? With these words. Iconclude. - SHRI : They are merely SHRI CHllTABASU (Barasat): Irise on interested to see how they can fulfil their behalf of my colleagues to expressour felici- partisan interests in the maintenance of their tations to Shri Mallikarjunaiah, on the occa- total power over the Government. Therefore sion of his being elected as the Deputy the least said about it, the better. Iwould also Speaker of this august House. want them to make it clear their political stand with regard to the fundamental ideo- Sir, Ibelieve, hope and trust Shri Mal- logical position. likarjunaiah will run this House smoothly, will maintain the dignity, decorum and traditions of this House, also protect and preserve the rights and privileges of the Members of this SHRI PlUS TIRKEY (Alipurduars): Mr. House and, if possible, create new conven- Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my party, I would tion and extend the rights and privileges of like to congratulate Shri Mallikarjunaiah for the Members of this House. his being elected as the Deputy Speaker of this House. He is a Member of B.J.P.and the I have got no doubt that he will prove Deputy Speaker of this House, just as you himself to be a successful Deputy Speaker are a Member of the Congress party and the of this House. Sir, on behalf of myself and on Speaker of this House also. behalf of my party, I extend our fullest pos- sible cooperation in the discharge of his It is my only request to him that he responsibilities as the Deputy Speaker of woukl pay attention towards the small par- this House. ties also. Keeping in view the process of election to these posts, it can be said that the It is a fact that I could not vote for him Congress Government is not minority Gov- during the motion for election of Deputy ernment. At present, the Congress is having Speaker. It was not meant to show any an alliance with the largest opposition patty AUGUST 13, 1991 Dy. Speaker 404

[Sh. ] Kerala Congress, Icongratulate the Deputy Speaker, ShriS. Mallikarjunaiah. Forthelast and it appears that the Government can do few days he was here as the Chairman in its work smoothly. Therefore, it is hoped that various sittings and he proved that he cwM the Government has no fear at present and be a very good presiding officer above party it is no more a minorrty Government. Ion my lines and sectarian considerations. behalf and on behalf of RSP, would like to congratulate the Deputy Speaker and hope 13.00 hrs. that while conducting the business of the House, he will keepthe small parties in mind. Ihave only one suggestion to make and that is regarding small parties. If I make that SHRl SULTAN SALAHUDDIN OWAlSl point at this stage, Ithink, it will be appropri- (Hyderabad): Mr. Speaker, Sir, there has ate. There are a few Members who are in been a tradition to congratulate the person, small groups. They do not have any repre- who is selected. I congratulate Shri Mal- sentation in the Business Advisory Commit- likarjunaiah as well as the Congress Party tee. Normally they do notget any opportunity for coming out in the open. It has done a to voice their grievances or to speak out or to good thing exposing itself. Today the minori- give representation in the proper forum. I ties and muslims have realized after a long would request that this aspect may also be interval of 40 years that the Congress only considered and the Chair may be pleased to wants to use us for its own ends and now we give opportunities of all sorts during discus- are fully aware of its mentality and concern sions for the small groups including the for us. Today the muslims of this country are motions which we give, because we are not surprised to know that this has been done by in a position to take up the motions later. the Congress. But we have come to know that the Congress really is. I would like to I have made this suggestion at this congratulate the Prime Minster who has stage because IfeIt that this was the appro- shown enough courage to expose the Con- priate time. gress. In this way he has done a very good work in the history of this country. I once again congratulate Shri Mal- likarjunaiah on his election as Deputy 1 once again congratulate him. Speaker. I am not entering into the other controversies because I do not have any SHRl P.G. NARAYANAN (Gobichetti- time. palayam): Mr. Speaker Sir, I would heartily congratulate Shri Mallikarjunaiah who has SHRl H.D. DEVEGOWDA (Hassan): been duly elected as the Deputy Speaker of Sir, on this happy occasion, I would like to this hon. House. We have fulltrust in him. We congratulate my friends Shri Mallikarjunaiah, believe that he will be impartial and fair- who has been elected astheDeputy Speaker minded. On behalf of AIADMK I assure him of this august House. I know his ability; I of our full cooperation in conducting the know his capacity. He was Deputy Chairman business of this House. I hope that he will of the Legislative Council of Karnataka and give full opportunity to speak to all the he was a Member for about twenty years in Membersof this House, particularly the new the Karnataka Legislative Council. He is Members of this House who want to reflect going to prove his capacity and ability while the hopes, urges and aspirations of the conducting the proceedings of this House. common people. There should not be any doubt in it. Ionly say on this happy occasion that there should not With these words, I congratulate him have been an unnecessary controversyabout once again. his election. We all know that once the Pre- SHRI P.C. THOMAS (Muvattupuzha): siding Officers are elected to the Highest Mr. Speaker Sir, on behal of my party, the Office,they will always try to detach them- 405 Felicitations to SRAVANA 22,191 3 (SAKA) Dy. Speaker 406

selves from the party and they will conduct say that this convention has not been up themselves as a non-party Member. This is held. It is true that at one stage there was an the tradition and convention, all these days element of distortion when a DMK member we observed but, unfortunately today, there was elected to that post in 1980. He be- were certain controversies. On this occa- bnged to an Opposition party which was sion, I do not want to pin with such contro- friendly to the Congress. (Interruptions) I versies. would say, Sir, that we all should rejoice in the fact that we have restored the finest I am happy that Shri Mallikarjunaiah, convention and tradition of the parliamen- oneof my old friends has been elected tothis tary system. highest office and I extend my full coopera- tion, and once again on behalf of my party I think we need to rejoice on one more and also myself want to congratulate him. point and that point is this. We seem to be injecting into our national life a dangerous SHRl INDERJIT (Darjeeling): Mr. concept of what may be described as politi- Speaker, Sir, I rejoice in the fact that the cal untouchability. I think it is a highly dan- finest tradition of parliamentary democracy gers concept. Therefore, by upholding this has been upheld infact. I would say that the tradition, I think, we have also applied the finest tradition of parliamentary democracy brake on this highly dangerous and disas- has been upheld in the finest spirit of the trous concept. system. SHRl SOMNATH CHAlTERJEE: You Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to set the talk to Mr. Madhav Rao Scindia. Why don't record straight. Unfortunately, my name- you explain to him? sake and senior member of this Parl~ament. Shri lndrajit Gupta, is not here now. I would SHRl INDERJIT: I will. like to clarify that the finest traditions of parliamentary democracy were upheld right MR. SPEAKER: I would like to con- until 1971. In 1957, Shri Hukum Singh who gratulateshri Mallikarjunaiahfor having been wasthen a member of Akali Party was elected elected tothe Deputy Speakershipof the Lok as the Deputy Speaker. Thereafter, the Sabha. Congress party went all out and elected Shri Hukum Singh as the Speaker of the House, I would like to wish him all the best in his though he belonged to the Akali Dal. It was duty to the House and the people. at that tiem that Shri Godey Murhari who was a member of the Congress party was elected He has functioned as the Deputy Chair- as the Deputy Speaker. man of the Legislative Council in Karnataka and knows the rules of the game, and pangs Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know that I am very and pleasures of the post of Presiding Offi- new, relatively new to this Parliament.This is cer. His experience would go a long way in only my second term. But, I have had the helping him to do his duties to this House. He privilege of watching this Parliament func- has been in politics for a pretty long period tion from the Press Gallery above for the last and knows the political trends and ideolo- forty years. gies which are reflected in the works of the Members in the House. He has to be above Shri lndrajit Gupta talked about Profes- and beyondpolitics while sitting in thischair. sor G.G. Swell and about other friends. His long tenure in politics would help him to Professor G.G. Swell was vigorously an understand the political trends behind the independent individual. He belonged to the moves of the Members. And that would Opposition and was elected Deputy Speaker facilitate his working. because he belonged to the Opposition. Therefore, it is wholly wrong for people to Presiding Officers need aparticularkind AUGUST 13,1991 Dy. Speaker 408 of nature and character to perform their bers would be more valuable and neces- duties. He appears to be endowed with the sary. requisite kind of nature and character which are going to be of great help to him and the Together, we have a duty to make the House. system work and work successfully. To- gether, we would do our best to do the same. The Deptlty Speaker shares the duties with the Speaker and the Members of the With this, we would like to welcome Shri panelof Chairpersons. It is avery high cffice. Mallikarjunaiahtothe highofficeof the Deputy On him, and all those who preside from this Speaker of Lok Sabha. Chair, depend to a great extend the success or failure of the parliamentary democracy. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Speaker What the Presiding Officers do from here Sir, I wish to thank hon. Members of this does not have an impact only on them orthe House for electing me as Deputy Speaker of Members and for the present alone, but also this august House. I am also thankful to the onthe procedures to be followed inthe future Prime Minister, Leader of the House, Leader too, and ultimately on the system itself. The of Opposition and leaders of various parties realisation of this aspect of the duty certainly for all the felicitations and good wishes ex- can widen thescopeof andthe responsibility tended to me. behind the duty. Our country is facing manifold problems The House has to be a mirror of the which pose a challenge to us. All these will public opinion. It works as an instrument to be reflected duringthedebates in this House. guide and control the executive. It plans and I am aware of different perceptions of the provides, for the present and the future, and various political parties represented in this for meeting the demands of the people in the House. However, I expect full cooperation country and partly those of the world. The from hon. Members in resolving the various time available for the proceedings is always issues that may come before us. limited and compared to the enormousness of the tasks, less than what is required. As Iam aware of my limitations. Ihave had the Members come from different park of the good fortune of serving the Karnataka the country and have different demands, State Legislature for the psst 19 years. But their demands on the time of the House are so far as Lok Sabha is concerned, this is my found to be enormous and at times conflict- very first term. I am sure, however, that with ing. There is nothing more precious than the the cooperation of all sections of the House, time. However, it cannot be stretched be- I shall be able to do justice to the task on yond itself. The success of the House de- which I am about to enter. I assure you that pends upon using it in the most judicious and I shall discharge my duties with a sense of sagacious manner. The success of the Pre- Justice and responsibility in the best tradi- siding Officer also depends upon making it tionsofthis Houseand withaviewtostrength- available in proportion to the real and just ening this democratic institution of Parlia- demands of the Members and the issues. It ment. is in this that the Members and the Presiding Officers and officers have to cooperate and Mr. Speaker Sir, Ialso wish to thank you produce the best possible results. The for the good wishes offered to me. Ispecially Members and officers have been helping all thank Shri Rasheed Masood who was in the those who have been sitting in this Chair and field along with me. I would like to assure they deserve a great deal of appreciation you, Sir, that under your able guidance, Iwill and thanks for the same. I have no doubt the be able to discharge the onerous responsi- same kind of cooperation would be given to bility that has been entrusted on me., the Hon. Deputy Speaker also. In the pres- ent situation, the cooperation by the Mem- MR. SPEAKER: Before we take up the 409 Felicitations to SRAVANA 22,1913 (SAKA) Dy. Speaker 4 10

Motion to be moved by Shri Ram Vilas this way despite the protest of their families. Paswan, should we take up Matters under Rule 377? The second incident has also taken place one week ago in a village of Haryana. (Interruptions) Two aged ladies belonging to a harijanfamily were cut into pieces and thrown before their SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Sir, how houses. According to the report of the police about 'zero' hour? (Interruptions) the brothers of the victims say that they had themselves killed them, as they were uf MR. SPEAKER: All right. I will take up loose character. But the entire village is 'zero' hour quickly. Shri Mohan Singh. silent on this issue. It is surprising that the villagers had no proof about their being of [ Translation] loose character. There is a third incident about which I would like to make a special SHRl MOHAN SlNGH (Deoria): Sir, the mention. It has taken place just three days All lndia Radio has given a wrong informa- before when a 60 year old Arab Sheikh had tion about me in its broadcast. Therefore, I marred a 10 year old girl named Amina at would like to give a clarification. Last Friday, Hyderabad and was bringing her to Delhi by Ihad raised an issue regarding the Allahabad air. Amina was the daughter of a rickshaw- University and urged the Govt. to convert. puller names Sheikh Badaruddin, Who, due The said University into a central university. to poverty, had sold her tothat old Sheikh for But when I went to my constituency, all of my Rs. 1 lakh and a meher of Rs. 6000 was supporters and voters said that I have been fixed. In thecertificate, thegirl was shown as termed as a Congress(1) member in the 32 years old. Had the girl not started crying Parliament news by the AIR on Friday in its in the plane, Sheikh would have taken herto 8.30 broadcast. Whereas 1 am a Janta Dal an Arab country as his wife. member. Please give decline to the A.I.R. that this error should be rectified, otherwise, Mr. Speaker, Sir, a lot of incidents like I will also have to make such opinion as my Amina's are taking place in Hyderabad and party leaders have about the All lndia Radio. in other cities in South lndia and in other states also, where 60-70 years old licen- [English] tious, wicked Arab Sheikhs marry 10-12 year old girls and take them to Arab coun- MR. SPEAKER: I think the media will tries as their wives. Such incidents are con- make the corrections. tinuously taking place there. Even the girls from many districts and ci!ies in South are (Interruptions) lured for the jobs of Ayah or Nurse in Arab countries and they were taken to these [ Translation] countries and there, they are forced into prostitution. Mr. Speaker, Sir, throush you, I KUMARl UMA BHARlTl (Khajuraho): would like to request the concerned Minister Mr. Speaker, Sir, through you, I have been that keeping aside all the rules and laws drawing the attention of the House towards stringent punishment should be given to the continuous increase in atrocities on such old wicked persons, who buy and marry women for the last few years. Nearly three- such young girls of 10 years age from here four months ago, an incident happened in and take them to their own country. A num- March, in a village named Mehrana near ber of older hon. Members are present in this Mathura. A girl belonging to a Jat family fell House. in love with a boy of Jatav community. As a punishment, the village Panchayat unani- W is my opinion that everyone should mously decided to han the girl, her lover and extend their whole-hearted support to young one of his friends on a tree and killed them in girls involved in such cases. These luxury