No. n.-Th·md2Y, Nov.mber 2.2., 1962./AgrahayatUJ I. 1884 (S.)- Oral Answers to Quest'on_ Starred Questions Nos. 321-32.3. 325. 327-336. 338 Written Answers to Questions- Starrd Q'le'tions Nos. 320. 32.4. 326. 337. 339 2B71-74 Unstarred Questions Nos. 698-700. 702.-771 2874-.2921 R •. Cease-fire on India-China border '9112-26 Papers laid on the Table 2926-30 Public Accounts Committee- Thirl-report . 29,0 Arrest of Member 2930 u,ave of Absence from sittings of the House 2931 PQnJlcnerry (Ajministration) Bill 2932-44 Motion to consider 293z..-..f3 Clauses 2. to 20 and I 2943~ Motion to pass 2944 .Business of the House . 2944, 2969-75, 3068-70 Indian Tariff (Amendment) Bill 2945-56. 29S8--61 Motion to consider ~5-'S6- Z9S8-67 C1ausel I and 2 2967 (it)
CoLUMNS Mo!ion to pass Re. Extension of Session Defence of India Bill- • Motion consider 2968-69, 2976--30 68 Daily Digest 30 71-"78 No. 13.-Priday, November 23, 1962/Agrahayana 2, 1884 (Saka)- Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 341 to 361, and 363 Short Notice Question No. I Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 340, 362 and 364 to 369 3122-26 Unstarred Questions Nos. 77~ to 857 3126--76 Papers laid on the Table 3177-79 Message from Rajya Sabha 3180 Estimates Committee Report- Eleventh Report 3180 Business of the House 3180-86, 3240 Bills intrOduced- I. Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill 3 187 2. Constitution (Fifteenth Amendment) Bill 3188 3. Major Port Trusts Bill 3187 4. Textiles Committee Bill 3188 Re. Note on publicity in connection with Chinese aggression. 3188 Defence of India Bill- Motion to consider 3189-3239 Resolution reo Economy during emergency 3240-3310 Resolution reo Ayurvedic system 3310-14 Daily Digest 33I5-:U No. I4.-Monday,November 26, I962/Agrahayana 5, 1884 (Saka)- Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Cracker explosion in Delhi 3323-25 Papers laid on the Table 3325-26 Message from Rajya Sabha 332 7 Mlnipur (Sales of ~tor Spirit and LUbricants) Taxation Bill-Introduced 3327 Re: Cease-fire 3328-36 Defence of India Bill 3337-3512 Motion to consider 3337-3421 Clauses 2 and 3 3421-3512 Daily Digest 3513-14 No. IS.-Tut1day,November 27, I962/Agrahayana, 6, 1884 (Sgka)- Oral Answers to Questions- Short Notice Question No.2 3515-17 Papers laid on the Table 35 17-/8 Defence of India Bill- Clauses 3, 4, 7 to 12, 16, 17, S, 6, 13, 14, IS and 18 3S18-89 Motion reo Price of Sugarcane 3589-3662 Daily Digest 3S63-64 • (iii)
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No. I (,.-W,dn,sday, NC1f/,,,.ber z8, 196:11A1ralulyana 7, 1884 (SGAa)- Orai Answer to Question- Shon Notice Question NO.3 3665-'70 Rt: Cease-fire 367 1 Papers laid on the Table 3671-72 Message from Rajya Sabha 367Z Committee on Private Members' Bill. and Resolutlons- Eleventh Report ,. 367:1 Defence of India Bill 3673-3753. 3754-66 Clauses 18 to New clauses 49 and I . 3673-3728 Motion to pus, as amended 5728-Sl, 3754-66 Arrest of Member 3753-54 ,• State-Associated Banks (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 3767-81 Motion to consider 3767-81 Clauses z to 6 and 1 3781 Motion to pass 3781 Employees' Provident Funds (Amendment) Bill 3781-3808 Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha 3781-3808 Clauses I and z 3808 Motion to pass 3808 Warehousing Corporations BiII- Motion to consider Daily Digest
r"'No. 17.-Thursday, Nov.",ber Z9, 1962/AgraJrayan4 8,1884 (S41t4)- Papers laid on the Table Message from Rajya Sabha Hindi Sahitya Sammelan (Amendment) BIII- Llld on the Table as passed by Rajya Sabha 3816 Warehousing Corporations Bill '" . -3817-3918 Motion to consider 38 17-3914 Clauses z to 43, and 1 39 14-18 Motion to pass 3918 Workmens' Compensation (Amendment) BiIl- Motion to consider Daily Digest
No. 18.-Priday NC1f/.mber 30, 1962/A6ralulyana, 9, 1884 (S" .... )- Paper laid on the Table 3945 BUSiness of the House 3945-50 R.: Calling Attention Notice 3950 Workmen's Compensation (Amendment) Bill 3950-59, 3959-73, 3978-91 Motion to consider 39'0-'9, 3959-73, 3978-19 Clauses z to u and I 3989-91 Motion to pass, as amended 3991 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importnce ProPOSed tallt between India and Pakistan on Kashmir COLVMNB
M'Jlti-Unit C)-operative Sact.!tIes '(Amendment) 'BiIl 3991-4c1OO Motion to consider 3991-99 Clauses 2. 3 and I • 3999-4000 Motion to pass 4000 Ddimltation Commission BilI- M )cion to consider 4000-14 Committee on Private M,mbers' Bills and Resolutions- Eleventh Report Bille .wroduced- 1. C>m"enS1tion (Amendment) BlII (Ammdmmt of sections IS. 30 ~t . by Shri P. L. Barupal. . . • . 40lS 2. Income-tax ,(Amendment) Bill (Ammdment of S1ction 2) by Shri C. K. Bhat- tachuyya Constitution (Amendment) BiII-NetaPo.d (Amendment of Article 226) /Iy Shri D C Sharrna- Motion to consider, D:l1hi Rent Ce>ntrol (Amendment) Bill-Withdraron (Ammdmmt of sections 14.Nd 20 Q..d iouertion of nerD ••ction 48A) by Shri Naval Prabhaltar- M.otion to consider n.ny Digest Nfl 19·-\l,."hy, D,c'7flber 3, Ip62/AgrWytJlla, 12, 1884 (SaIJ,,)- Calling Attention to Mltters of Urgent Public Importance- (i) "R "»rCd exi,tence of Chinese EiPionage ring in Assam and NEPA and 4061~ '(Ii) Reported attack on Dr. Gopal . 4066-70 President's assent to Bills 4070 Statement reo location of Tltir.d Nuclear Power Station 4071-73 R.: Cease tire 4073-79 Bills Introduced- (I) Delhi Motor Vehicles Taxation Bill 4079 (2) P !nonneI l'ljuries (Emergency Provisions) Bill; end 4080 (3) Indian Tariff (Second Amendment) Bill I>e1lmltation Commission Bill Morion to consider Clauses 2 to II. and 1 M )tion to "ass, as amended 4 209-10 Detention of a Member 4ftIO
Daily Digest 4211-12 No. 2o-Trusday. Dcu7flber 4, I962/AgrahaytItID 13, 1884 (Saka)- Oral Answers to Questlons- Short N~ti e Questions Nos. 4 and S 4213-20 C111ing Attention to Matters of U l'1!ent Public Importance- tr., SuPply of MIGs 4220-27 (2) Firing by Chinese on Indian soldiers 4221-31 Re: Repmed'lhilwoy acciileRt 4::31 1>aperslaid on t'heTable 4231 Message from Rajya SlIbha 4332 Gift Tax (Amendment) Bill 4332-89 Motion to consider 4232-119 Clauses 2 to 36 and I 42 89 (V)
:.,' Motion to pass Tu:ation Laws (Amendment) BiII- Motion to consider Motion re: Report on Indian and State Administrative Services Business Advisory Committee- Tenth Report 4384 Daily Digest 4385-86
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~.--- 3324 LOK SABHA ~ ~ ~or '1ft ~ ~~ .Monday, November 26. 1962/Agraha- it ~ Iff, <:NT ~ ltiT f~ ~ yana 5, 1884 (Saka) ~ ~ I ;nr ~ Sf1Im: <: f<'f!fT 'PIT ~ [MR. S ~;n in the C11airj qT( ~ '1ft ;;rT ~ ~ I
,CALLING ATTENTION TO MAT- On the 22nd November, 1962, at TER OF URGENT PUBLIC IM- about 7.28 P.M. there was a cracker PORTANCE explosion on Bahadurgarh Road near the gate of the Delhi Cloth Mills. At CnACKER EXPLOSION IN ~ lII that time the mill workers on the afternoon shift were returning to the ~1 3ierl:fT ~ffi ;!~~ mill aftcr half-an-hour recess and consequently there was a thiok crowd 4' fiflfll ~ t. \3 if; i'~ lJfi-m- ~ at the seene of explosion. 18 persons T v:rrrr f¥-i ; f~1 r ",:r.. ~ received minor injuries. They were tab'n to hospital and given first aid. it f ~ Of>T >in: ~ if><:aT ~ ~ While 16 of them were discharged, 2 ~ ~ f'" ~ ~~ w.r;:!f it ~ have been kept under observation. ~il -- Thc' cracker was of an ordinary type and its remnants have been sent to ';~ it ; ~ ~ or ~ the Inspector of Explosives for exami- nation. A case under section 6 of the '1ft fu:m 'R"N fllR'f if; f'f'li'C Explosives Act has been registered ~ (ij) The Minimum Wages (Cen- 12.01 r~. tral) Second Amendment Rules, 1962, published in PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Notification No. GSR 1542, dated the 17th November, NOTIFICATIONS UNDER THE ALL INDIA 1962, under section 30A of the SERVICES ACT Minimum Wages Act, 1948. [Placed in Library, see The MiniSter of state in the Minis- No. LT-612/62]. try of Home Affairs (Shri Datar): I ISeg to lay on the Table a copy each ()f the following Notifications under AGRAHAYANA 5,1884 (SAKA) 3328
12.08 hrs. 12.09 hrs.
MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA RE: CEASE-FIRE
Secretary: Sir, I have to report the Shri Kanp (Chittoor): Are you following message I'eceiced from the proceeding to the normal business of Secretary of Rajya Sabha:- the House? "In accordance with the provi- Mr. Speaker: Yes. sions of rule 125 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Busi- Shri Ranga: What about the state- ness in the Rajya Sabha, I am ment by the Prime Minister? directed to inform the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha, at its sit- Mr. Speaker: I have received many ting held on the 23rd November, notices about the cease-fire at Tezpur. 1962, agreed without any amend- Is the hon. Prime Minister making ment to the Customs Bill, 1962, any statement on that? which was passed by the LQk SabRa at its sitting held on the The Prime Minister and Minister of 21st November, 1962." External Aftairs and Minister of Atomic Energy (Shri lawaharlal Nehru): No, Sir. There is no further news to give. 12.08~ hrs. Shri P. K. Deo (Kalahandi): I beg MANIPUR (SALES OF MOTOR to suhmit that to fully understand the SPIRIT AND LUBRICANTS) TAXA- implications of this cease-fire propo"tl TION BILL· we must have a big map in the library, because we are not able to follow the The Minister of Transport and November 1959 line and the real Communications (Shri Jagjivan Ram): intention of the Chinese. So, we must Sir, I beg to move for leave to intro- have a map before us. duce a Bill to consolidate and amend the law relating to the levy of a tax Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhurl on sales of motor spirit and lubri- (Berhampur): Today's papers have cants in the Union territory of reported that the Law Minister, Manipur. accompanied by the Secretary-General of the External Alfairs Ministry, is Mr. Speaker: The question is: going to Cairo and to Ghana to explain our point of view with regard to the "That leave bc granted to intro- cease-fire to the Governments of duce a Bill to consolidate and UAR and Ghana. May I know whe- amend the law relating to the levy ther there is any attempted media- of a tax on sales of motor spirit tion by these two Governments with and lubricants in the Union terri- regard to cease-fire? tory of Manipur." "" ~ ~ (fonAh:): The motion was adopted. ~~~ ;ft;r *t ~ ~ ~-~ ~ ;;it ~ T'PfT tT'IfT ~ t/rT ~ Shri JacJlvan Ram: I introducet the Bill. ~ if ~ "1 HY.t *t m ~ . qm ~~ ~~ qq';fl' ~~ '!~ ~~ ~~ ;Jfl' ~~ ·Published in the Gazette of India Extraordinary Part II-Section 2, dated 26th November, 1962. tlntroduced with the recommenda tion of the President. 3329 Re: Cease-Fire NOVEMBER 26, 1962 Re: Cease-Fire 3330
[>.oTT 'SI'fiWf1<:: mffi] like to know whether an effort has ~f' t:; fll ~ nq if;'l0 "') been ad~ to put wise all these 'ffl:if (1'" '3'if'fil r ~ ~ ' ff~ various governments and peoples and also the press of all the countries in ~ ~ it ~ ~ri'f ~ 3.'n: it snfri'f the world a,> to India's attitude in f'" ~ if 'for :ir 'SI'~iffi ~ ~ ~ regard to this Chinese proposal which r~ ~ ~ >;If"", ~ ~ T1'iTi'f ~ em ~ n ftr'if how soon would it be possible for the Government to let the country ~ a'TiflIT I{ ~ ~~ ll ~ ~ '3'll" f'" know what attitude they have take."l WI" 111" again to go into negotiations as the 'f.T ';IT fif ~ T'i' r", f,!1R) 'P-'f,T<: Chine,e Govcrnment has suggested, or i, it for ~ n other purpose?
Mr, Speaker: What is the use of Shri Hem Barua (Gauhati): My carrying on all this correspondence calling. attention notice is about the if the whole thing has to be stated as actual position in Tezpur so far as to \', h.lt their intcnt'on is? Shri Daii. the civil adminislration is concerned. I h:.\'c jiL-;L DOW go! 11 copy of an Shri S. M. Banerjee: Clarification, order issued on the 22nd November by the Commission"r of Civil Supplies Shri Daji (Indore): There are con- to the Government of India stationed fusing reports Clbout our Army per- at Shillong asking the Central Gov- sonm'l who were supposed to have ernlnent servant;;; in Assatn to evacuate been trapped or surrounded. Can the their families from Assam. If that is Government clarify as (0 what has so. is it not suffiet'nl lo create panic become to our Army between Se La among the rest of the pop"lalion? and Bomdi La? Mr. Spraker: There are so many Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): different a,p<'cts to the various ques- Vest0rday it came out in the news- tions th:tt have been asked here. I ) "pel'S that the Government of India have also received severnl notices and I han' s"nt those notices on to the "a\'e ~ ed for certain clarifications Government. But so far as these un the cease-fire move of the Chinese questions are concerned, I would leave Government. r would like to know as to what points are being asked to it to the hon. Prime Minister whether " he is prepared to make any statement be clarified. Could the hon. Prime and what information he can give ia Minister throw some light on that? respect of them.
Shrl Ranga: I am glad that at long Shrl Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- last they have done the right thing drapara): would also like to in deputing' the hon. Law Mini.ter know. to go to some of these countries and explain India's position. We would Mr. Speaker: After I have finished? 3331 Re: Cease-Fire AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAKA) Re: Cease-Fir. 33~2
Shri Surendnmath Dwivedy: Colombo to discuss these mattei'll could not catch your eye because you connected with our conflict with were looking to the other side. China. We were not, naturally invited and we were not even inform- Mr. Speaker: I thought one hon. ed of it. Afterwards we heard about Member from his group had spoken. it. The countries invited are the UAR, Ghana, Indonesia, Burma and Cam- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: What bodia. I think, that is the whole I want to say is a .different thing. He number; I cannot think of any others. spuke "hout his 'Calling-attention So, we decided to send my colleague notice'. What I want to know is this. the Law Minister lmd the Secretary- Is the Government of India consider- General to Africa, to these two coun- ing taking up or raising this question tries invited from Africa and the in the UN? We find from todays' Deputy Foreign Minister and probably newspapers that Shri Chakravarti has some senior official of the External said that we will raise this qOestion Affairs Ministry to the countries in if it will be advantageous to us. Asia. That is apart from any others whom we may send to other places. Mr. Spea ~r It is not that we wiJI Their object is to explain our position take it up. He has not committed more thoroughly in regard to these hims"lf. He has said that the possi- so-called proposals of the Chinese bility cnnnot be ruled out. Government so that there may be no confusion in their mind as to what Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: Has we think about them. this also been considered by the Gov- ernment of India? About the other questions, I really forget, .... Shri Ranga: He was awaiting instructions from Delhi. Shrl S. M. Banerjee: About clari- fication. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: There have been so many questions of different Shri Ranga: What about informing types that I am a bit confused and all other Governments? Press cam- may forget answering some of them. paign?
Mr. Speaker: My intention was only Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: We, of to bring to the notice of the hon. coursc, inform all Governments Prime Minister all these questions. through our Ambassadors and in other The hon. Prime Minister might choose ways. But. these we specially decided which are to be answered at this to approach because they were going moment. to meet in Colombo soon at the invi- tation of the Prime Minister of Shri Jawaharla! Nehru: shall Cpylon. answer as Inany ~ I can relneJnbcr here ancl now. Th,· han. Member asked for clari- fication. It is natural to ask for The first thing is about the hnn. clarifications of various points which Law Minister and the Secretary- are not clear and in so far as they General going to Cairo and Accra. can be cleared it will he desirable SO That is true. Very probably the that our reply should be based not. Deputy Foreign Minister, ~ ri ati merely on any doubt about thes', Lakshmi Menon, will go to some matters. We have not received B full countries, that is, Burma, Indonesia reply yet. Possibly in a day or two and possibly Cambodia. These coun- we will get it. tries are those that have been invited by the Ceylonese Government to go Shri Ranga: Does the Prime Minis- Vlry soon, earit' in December, to ter expect to receive their reply so 3333 Re: Cease-Fire NOVEMBER 26, 1962 Re: Cease-Fire 3334 . [Shri Rangal The Minister of Railways (Sbri soon in the light of the way in which Swaran Singh): That means Assam the Chinese have been taking so long Officer for liaison work with us. a time in all their replies? S&u'i Jawaharlal Nehru: Assam Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Sometimes Government's officer in liaison with their replies come soon. Sometimes our Government. I cannot say iJi they take a long time. I cannot say what conditions he sent it. But, it precisely. does not represent our view point. I agree with the him. Member that there Shri Hem Barua: Position of civil should be broadly speaking no ques- defence in Tezpur. tion of anybody withdrawing from where he is. This refers, I think, to Sltri Jawaharlal Nehru: I think the women and children chiefly. position in Tezpur is almost normal now. The hon. Member mentioned Mr. Speaker: Women and children. something about evacuation. Shri Hem Barua: Central Govern- Shri lIem Barua: There is an order ment employees .... by the Commissioner of Civil Supplies and Movements and Liaison Officer Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath (Hoshan- with the Government of India. It ga bad): This should be rescinded by says: the Government here.
"Employees whose homes are Shri Hem Barua: Withdrawn. outside A's;am may, however, be anxious to send away their fami- Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Now lies; this the State Government that it has been brought to the notice desires should be done in as of the Government, the Government orderly a manner as possible. has a definite opinion about that and Arrangements are accordingly the Government would act accord- being made to give all facilities ingly. There was one other propoSli1 for such employees to send their whether it would be possible to place families home." a map of those lines in the Central Hall SO that Members may have an I say, any order after the Cease-fire idea and might be able to appreciate was announced, would it not create what the difference is. panic among the rest of the popula- tion in the State? Shri Ranga: How is that such an Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: May important order came to be passed without the knowledge at all of the know the date of that? Government of India? (Interruption). Shri Hem Barua: It was issued on 21st Novem,ber, 1962. It was circu- Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Under lated to the different offices on the the shadow of a previous event, some officer issued it. (Interruption). Order, 22nd November: this month. order. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I am afraid this notice was issued by some official Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Certain In the Assam Government. orders were issued, I believe, some little. time ago that in the event of Shri Hem Barna: No. He is an any contingency arising, what should officer with the Government of India be done so that they may be prepared stationed at Shillong. Here it clearly for it. says: Commissioner of Civil Supplies and Movements and Liaison Officer Shri Hem Barua: It is not like that. with the Government of India, .... The lalLguage is .difterent. 3335 Re: Cease-Fire AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAKA) Re: Cease-Fire
Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I quite reported that one Deputy Commis- agree with the han. Member that it sioner who actually fled or disappear- was undesirable to issue this order. ed has been suspended. Of course, And those orders were perhaps mis- he has only been suspended; actually, interpreted or exaggerated by the local he ought to have been dismissed .... pC(Jple. Shri Frank Anthony (Nominated- Mr. Speaker: In regard to the maps, Anglo-Indians): He should have been can anything be said for the present? shot. Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I shall endeavour to have some kind of map Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhuri: .. '.' placed in the Central Hall. or court-martialled; but, anyway .... Mr. Speaker: Is there any informa:,' Mr. Speaker: Dismissal would not Hon about those Jwhen we want to. But we do lion-notices about the evacuation of not at pre en~ intend doing it. Tezpur and the present position there. The Prime Minister said that Tezpur Shri Hem Barua: May I add to what was almost normal. That is what the my hon. friend Shri Tridib Kumar papers report. But in connection with Chaudhuri has said. There is a report the evacuation of the civil adminis- that the civil administration evacuated tration, both the Central Govern- from Tezpur .... ment's civil administration and the State Government's civil administra- Mr. Speaker: He wants a statement tion, various reports have been from the Home Minister, I suppose. appearing in the papers, in the Cal- I shaH find out if the Home Minister cutta papers, in the Assam papers and has got certain facts to give. I shall also in the Delhi papers. It is also pass on that notice to him. 3337 NOVEMBER 26, 1962 Defence of India Rm 333&
12.24 bra. Mr. Speaker: Let me understand' what the hon. Minister wants to say. DEFENCE OF INDIA BIu.-contd. Let han. Members have some patience. Mr. Speaker: We shall now take up further consideration of the following 3 hours and 30 minutes remain. At motion moved by Shri A. K. Sen, on 2.30 P.M. we have to go on to some the 21st November, 1962, namely:- other business. "That the Bill to provide for special measure to ensure the Shri A. K. Sen: I was only sub- public safety and interest, the mitting that perhaps it might be pos- defence of India and civil defence sible to extend the time and take- and for the tria I of certain tho-other item a little later. It is my offences and for matters connected 'personal difllculty, 811 I may have : therewith be taken into considera- go tomorrow. - tion." Shri Ranga: This was the Home Out of 10 hours allotted for this Bill, Ministry's Bill. Surely, there are II hours 30 minutes have already been other Ministers who will be able to taken, and 3 hours 30 minutes remain. look after it. This includes 2 hours for the clause- by-clause consideration, and the third Mr. Speaker: To whom-,oevcr it reading. So. there is a balance of might have belonged, it has been only 1 hour 30 minutes for the general piloted by the hon. Law Minister. discussion now. Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): Let Shri Ranga (Chittoor): We said the him intervene and let the final reply other day that 2 hours may be allowed be given by the Home Minister. for the clause-by-clause consideration. But we submit to you that you may Mr. Speaker: I do not know whe- please be good enough to extend the ther it is possible for him or for an,' time by at least one hOur more. other Minister to do that. Shrl U. M. Trivedi (Mandsaur): Clause-by-clause consideration will Mr. A. K. Sen: In the alternative, take a l;nger time. I shall reply to the debate On the motion for consideration and then The Minister of Law (Shri A. K. the clause by clause consideration Sen): Normally there would be no may be dealt with by Shri Datar. question of Government not agreeing to this if it was approved of by YOll The Minister of State in the Minis- But ~ is my personal difficulty which try of Home AfralllJ (Shri Data,' I would like to place before you. I Yes, Sir. have to reply to the debate today .... Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath lHosh- Shri Ranga: We can ·tertainly consi- angabad): May I support the demand der sitting for some extra time .... made by my hon. friend, Shri Rang", Mr. Speaker: Let me hear \\rhi11 that the time for the consideration the hon. Minister w, ·.:S to say. of the entire Bill including clausc-by- claus!' consideration be extended by Shri A. K. Sen:; would rather at least two hours, if not more? Two like that the debate should conclude hours for the entire clause-by-clau$c today, including the pa,;,;;::g uI the comideration is much too little. It is whole Bill .... a long Bill and there are a few con- troversial points, and we will need ~ ri Ranea: How is that possible? more time. 3339 Defence AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAK_4., of India Bill 3340-- Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The !!~ Jbvious to every on(! else in. hon. Member will resume his seat. this House, th,.t powers to be dele- Hon. Members also should show some gated by this Bill are absolutely accommodation fOr the hon. Minister.. needed for the civil defence of the- country. Nobody can grudge such Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: It is rowers Le.ng given to the Govern- mutual. ment. I knew the hon. leader of the Mr. Speaker: If We want to finish Swatantra Group said that he a ~ with the Bill, including all the stages, t"s eomen: to this Bill with a 'heavy We will have to push back the other !".,an'. can under3tand it. Mav I business to a lime. later But then ""y that 1 give my slIpport to ·the th,"re ought to be some limit to Bill with a heavier heart still? It is which we can extend time. We had against our fibre and grain to' clothe 7 hours; we extended it to 10. That thE' executive with any extraordi- was the maximum that was asked nary. powers. Therefore, the concern, for by hon. Members. and anxiety of hon. Members is un- dl'rstandable. I said 'heavier heart' Shri Hari Vi.hnu K.nnath: Twelve because I belong to the party in powe: A()Ur:;. and we in pow"r never want to have Mr. Speaker: Even if we extend such powers, extraordinary powers, it by two hours. I cannot (xhaust the in our hands. But we do so under <'xtraordinary circumstances, and we list. It will continue to grow as we ,it longer and longer. There would do so with a full sense of responsibi- lity. be a greater and greater number. 12.29 hrs. Shri Ranga: Natural. [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chair] Mr. Speaker: Natural, but that natural desire has al;;o to come to With the solitary execption of my some end. hon. friend, Shri H. N. Mukerjee, who al.,o was very apologetic and who Shri Harish Chand"" Mathur may advanced certain arguments, every now continue his speed•. one in this House has given his full support and clear backing to the Shri S M. Banerjet;: ',\'hat .s the Government in the matter of the decision? delegation of these powers. But it I Mr. Speaker: I will see hew it pro- is not only enough to delegate these . ceeds The Ministel· v. ill reply. We powers. We will have to be assured will finish th" whole thing today, in this House that the Government even if that means pushmg back the gear up the executive machinery other business. which will be able to make effective use of these powers. This is very im- Shri Harish Chandra Mathur portant because our services and our (Jalore): I rise to give my full, un- adminstration are not used to the ex- qualified and willing supp()rt to the ercise of such powers. Therefol'l', principles dnd provis'ons of this Bill, there lies a great responsibility of course. under the cGmpulsion of on the head of the Minister of 1 very extraordinary til curnstances Home Affairs to take the neces- \ created by the Chinos,' al' r~ ion. It sary steps in this matter. There is not the naked and dastardly aggres- can be no justification for any- sion which ."vorries me so much as body to say that there would be the craft "nei cunning of the enemy abuse of power in the States because wh() i.~ subtle, insidious and persist- we want to have the support of ent. That being so, it is quite obvi- everyone in this matter. There is no ous to m'!, as I think it should be reason why those people who are· 3341 Defence NOVEMBER 26. 1962 a/India Bill
lShri Harish Chandra Mathur] giving the fullest support in the de- upsurge everybody is out to help. I fence of the national cause will be must confess that I was a bit 'amazed treated differently. Still. to allay the and a little pained when objections fears and apprehensions the hon. were raised regarding certain arrest3. Prime Minister should address per- We must appreciate that this Gov- sonally a letter to all the Chief Minis- ernment has welcomed a resolution ters of the various States and impress by the Communist Party. Communist UPOn them the great responsibility friends who speak in this House with which they have been charged. should appreciate and understand It should be made clear to them that that there are thousands and thous- while there is effective and full use ands in this country and if the Gov- of the powers delegated under this ernment has got certain information measure, any abuse of power under regarding certam persons, any resent- thi., legislation is as unpatriotic as ment against such arrests is wholly the npcessity to Use it. I also wish unwarranted. ThE' performance of my that the hon. Home Minister takes ered lo ~ sister sitting here is most a certain amount of responsibility. We unfortunate. She might feel that a must depute one experienced officer certain person was advancing the fully briefed, so that he may advise cause of national elfort, but it is an the State Governments regarding the easy trick. Sometimes unde"r the eXErcise of the powers given under cover 'If war effort, people do so this Bill. It would also be much bet- many things which are anti-national. ter if the Home Minister has special A cover !3 drawn, so that you may intelligence of his own so that there not be discovered. If anybody has is regular flow of information from got pariicular knowledge about any t.he States to the Centre so that the individual, be should forward it to C:entral Government is in a position the Hom." Minister, who will gIve to advise the State Governments. We full consideration to it. This is not a have the experience of Tezpur. The matter in ,,·hich parties are concern- jpt.ters read by our friends just now ed; we have to rise much above the make it incumbent upon Us to gear parties. It is a question Of the na- 11n the alministrative machinery to tion's i.ntegrity. freedom and civil ~p that there is perfect liaison at the liberties of the people. We all must Rt.Rte level between the different go ahead in that manner and in that officers concerned and so also at the spirit. There is absolutely no justi- di~t.ri t level. There should be a cation to h,i\'c any apprehensions in sort of a control room at the State t.his matter, ea.~ arter -I do not equate it to the control room of TI'K-where you I wish to stn.5S one morc point. As will fi.nd all the information from said, its not the naked aggression the Central Government and there of China which worries us. As a will be co-ordination between mili- matter of fact, ihat nakrd aggression tary, police and the chief executive hag united th&· entire country. The and there is somebody round the clock entire c01.mtry reacted as one man to to give and receive information from that and was prepared to meet the the district and to give instructions challengl'. Btl·:t is the peace posture to the di.~tri t sO that there can be of China, +'he de~t pti e strategy which no room for any trouble. We are not they haVe mastered, which is much going to surrender all powers to the more dangerous t.han the naked ag- executive and Parliament sits in full gression. We have to guard against pressure and we have. got all our that. ~ e things create suspicIon friends here to exercH;e a healthy in- in the minds of many of us here and fluence and create a sort of a Climate in the minds of the people in the making it impossible for any abuse country alld It has a demoralising 'of power. When there i.s a national etrect. Thia at.o creates a suspicion \ 3343 Defence AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAKA) of India BiZ! 3344
in the minds of ollr friend6 who are be carried away by it. We must create non-aligned countries. a dcnite impcusmess. I am very happy that the Govern- among our friends, among Ollr foes ment has taken a very right step in and among our countrymen. We must endin~ high-powered teams to the' go ahead wit.h a stcut heart and a various imporhnt countries, who are cleur head, and there is nothing to taking active interest in our country. doubt that viCtJTy is ours. Because of this peaCe posture of Dr. L. M. Sln.;hvi (Jodhpur): Mr. China, which is [a," more dangerous ep t -Sp~a er Si,', I rise to sup- than naked; aggression, it is very port the Defence u! India Bill. The necessary that we take all the neces- constitutional proclamation of emer- sary steps. It is vpry necessary that gency was '1 precursor and a proge- our diplomatic front is also streng- nitor of the Defe:lce of. India dis- thened. pensation which was implicit in the Our officers and a an~ in Ladakh state of emergency. We must remem- area have given a really brilliant ac- ber one thing, however, that the cmer- count of themselves. The have re- n and the Defence of India dis- sisted the agg"ression like anything pensation are nlll to abrogate the • and we owe a tribute to our people Comtitution; the., ,lre not to supplant in Ladakh and those infantries who ~the Conslitution, ~ e '11'e only to have resi.,ted such a ,trong aggres- function within the framework and sion. Our ppop;c in the NEFA area jurisdiction defined by the Constitu- were equally ~ i alro . It was be- tion itself. cause of ce':tain deceptions and strategies that such a debacle hap- I should like, In this' connection, pened. Therefore. iet us not permit because it is particulally interesting this idea to prevail that there is any and instructive, to go back to the invincibility about the Chines.e' ag- seedtime of our Republic, to the pre- gression and that the Chinese can- paratory materials and influences not be beaten back. It is not at all which shaped our Constitution. Un- so. We must understand that the forunately, there is no properly edit- Indian soldier is much more than a ed ani annotat~d work available on match for anybody in thr world, and the travaux preparatoire of our he wiII be able t~ deliver the goods. Constitution. but I think it would be So, let us n ')t tlave any defeatist a faithful portrayal of the influencies mentality whatsoev'i'r. This sort of which were activ\? at the time of attitude in the country must be taken making the Constitution if I cited care of. before this Hous'! three of the sample expressions of opinion which were There is another danger against articulated at th"t time. which I would like to warn the han. Home Mini;ter, particularly. When these blue ants withdraw, thpy will I would, in the farst place, like to leave eggs l}(,l"e, whkh i~ much more refer to what, rr.y hon. friend Shri dangerous. From the entire NEFA H. V. Kamath, had to say at thM area and from the borders, we must time. He moved ~e p. al amend- clear up all the suspects, because ments to the parent article in the even if they withdraw from there. Draft Constitution and in doing so they will leave all sorts of cells and he expressed his apprehension that try to create ali sorts of trouble. If like Article 48 of the Weimar Con- they leave, ~ e will be leaving only stitution of the Third Reich it may on tactical reasons, because it suits pave the way tor authoritarianism. \ their strategy, because they cannot This is good counsel to heed and re- I aIYor d to stay there. I cannot Ito member even today. He said: into the entire gamut of it. Simply "Weare all talking of subver- \ because they withdraw, we should not sive elemeuw. IAt 118 remember ~ 3345 Defence NOVEMBER 26, 1962 oj India Bill 3346"
[Dr. L. M. Singhvi] that a ConstitUtiOn ean be sub- sembly debates is only to show that verted not merely by agitators, in a spirit of practical wisdom and rebels and revolutionaries, but statesmanship the founding fathers of also by people in office, by peo- our Con tit ~io 1 enacted a provision ple in power." the utility of w hlch and the de3ira- bility of which is more than convinc- My hon. friend Shri Mahavir Tyagi ing at the present juncture. Condi- made an obsel'vatio!l which, I feel, tioned as they were by a successive is highly pertinc'lt. Shri Tyagi at concatenation of convulsions all that time said: around, it was quite nautral for "Our country. our people, our thcn1( to antkipatc, either internal economics. our military and disturbance or ~ ternal aggression, strategic position and other which the nation may be confronted similar considerations are all to be with. Thercf,)re, while providing for taken into account and demo- an mcrgency sltch as this, they have cracy has to adjust itself also provided th4t the ba;ie struc- accordingly. The only card- ture of our Constitution must be inal point ill democracy is that I safeguarded and that the locus of the administration must be carried popular will. the Parliament, should on according to the wishes of the remain watchful and vigilant and people as a whoie. The will of should con tim!" to guid" the exl'CU- the people must prEvail and so tive in its acLi •.>n even in a state of long as that is guaranteed, de- / emergency. I am very glad to .,ay mocracy is not disurbed at all." that, that basic framework of our de- mocratic Constitution a~ been pre- I should like to reIer, in the end, served even in the stresses and to what Shri '1'. T. Krishnamachari strains of the present emergency, and had to say 0.1 I.he ubject, because I fervently express the hope that this it is very germane to the present dis- will continue to be so even though cussion. Speaking' of consequent our country may be embattled, even curtailment of liberties during an though our frontiers may be attacked emergency he said: and even though We may be girding "We tolerate such curtailment up our loins in order to meet thl' and We ,hould probablY have to emergency. do something more that that in order to help the State through My hon. friend, S ~i Hire,l an emergeney and to safeguard Mukerjee, to whosE' somewhat con- the Constitution; alld if the civil troversial speech a frequent refer- liberties of the people are un- ence hu.., naturally, been made in duly restricted, I say the res- this House, quoted Lord Atkin to ponsibility ·.'Iill be that of the say that even in war, even in the ultimate rulers, d the people, not clash of arms, laws are Not silent. that of the executi\'e. And if the He quoted Lord Atkin, who had said executive dof's not obey the call III the famous ca"" of Leversidgc of the represen.tatives of the Vs. Anderson that the laws of Eng- people who are watchful, that land speak the same language in executive wil! have to go pro- peace and in war, but Shri Mukel'jec vided the people's representatives ha>l perhaps forgotten the original assert themse1 v(:s." adge of Cicero who had said inter These are words which are full of arma silent leges and that Lord meaning and mes..'age for us even Atkin was writing what was merely today. a dissenting minority opinion in the United Kingdom. What is more, Lord Sir, the burden ot my theme in Atkin was saying this only i~ referring to t e ~ Constituent As- making an observation on how the 3347 Defence AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAKA) of India am
statute should be construed and was the impress of hurried draftsmanship, not expressing an OPinIOn on whe- if I may say so, with all respect to ther such regulations are valid or the Mrnister of Law, who is one of :nel!essary for the safety of the State. the most distinguished lawyers and under whose stew'a'rdship this BiIl I would like to mention in this con- hair presumably been recast. I should ·text that if at any time there are any like, in particular, to refer to one or .undue or ex·cessive or unconscionable two provisions which, to me, seem to illTO:,ds into the liberties of the citizens be exceedingly complex and not very of India, the Government would owe clear. In the rule-makrng powers au explanation to the Parliament. I whiCh are provided in clause 3, and hope this Parli':l'ment would be ever] which are extensive, it is -stated that 'watchful, and the responsibility there- rules may be made for fore. rests er~' heavily on us to see .1hat the Defence of India Bill e~ "preventing the sprelding with- .it is enacted, is implemented in the out lawfUl authority Or excuse of spirit in which it is being enacted. I false reports Or the prosecution of might say that it is a Bill of faith, it any purpose likely to caUSe dis- ;s a sacred trust with the Government. affection or alarm, ...... Let this faith not be 'abused; let this .'Sacred trust remain inviolate. do not see the reason of keeping this language "preventing the spread- ing without lawful authority Or ex- I have every hope that this Parlia- CUse of false reports". The implica- nwnt would be an adE'quate watchdog tion is that spreading without lawful for the liberties of the people, even in authority or excUse of fa-Ise reports 'i:ml's of stresses and strains. Ln this i, being legalised under this enact- 'Context, I would like to suggest that ment. In the first place, there is InO ne_ either a committee or some other suit- cessity to make such a provision in able 111l':'hanism should be devised to the statute book. In the second place see that excesses of administration it is rpdundant because even other- may be reported to it and may be re- wise th(' officers are protected if they v;ewpd by it. do something in the bona fide dis- charge of their duties. J would like to mentiOn that the Soviet law, to which a reference There are other provisions to which should ;Jppropriately be made, parti- would have liked to refer but pau- cui.1rly to meet the argument advanc- city of Lme prevents me from doing ed by Professor Hiren Mukerjee, a,lso so. However, I would like to comp- provides fOr the promulgation of mar- liment and congratulate the Minister tial la", in Article 49 Of its Constitu- of Home Affairs, who was amenable tion, It is ,not something novel that and open-minded enough to accept my we are enacting in this country. As a and a couple of other friends' sugges- matter of fact, a far more redical mar- tion to have a kind of informal com- 'fial law can be promulgated under 'mittee to which this Bill has been Arlicle 49 of the Soviet Constitution. ]'(,ferred. I think this piece of legis- In all countries the safety of the lation we h'ave before us is the better State and the preservation of its free- for it. because he has a·llowed many dom has been regarded as the Sup- of the suggestions which were made reme rationale of all legislation and, by some of us to be accepted and they ~ e therefore, the Defence of India Bill been placed before the House In deserves and merits all our support. the form of amendments tabled by my hon. friend, Shri B. N. Datar. \ T should like to refer to some of i would also like to submit also that 1 ·the specifiC proviSions of the Defence appeals should be provided in aill (If India Bin which, I tWnk, could cases. We should not dispense with have been !bet'telr drlafted. It bears the mechanism of appeals to the High 3349 Defence NOVEMBER 26. 1962 of India Bm 3350 [Dr. L. M. Singhvi] Court because it would neither delay this measure is of an impera- the cause we have in view nor would tive nature and has, at all events, got it in any way be an obstruction in to be passed, and to those who were the implementation of this enactment. frIghtened of it I can only say that We should provide at least one ap- they are making a very big mistake; peal in all cases. if they are well-behaved men, the!'e is no earthly reason for anybody t() I would also like to submit that aU be afraid Of it. action taken under this Act by tri- bunals or executive auhority should Though I exclUde personalities, be constantly watched in order to see am Of the opinion that, as in the days that the liberties of the citizens are of the second world war, we should properly protected. At some stage, have a concentration ca'mp for the there should be some forum where Communists. Every Communist in this administrative excesses can be Im- country should be put into a concen- pugned, reveiew and rectified. tration camp and kept there till every The de i~a ilit of putting an en- inch of our soil comes back to us. In actment, such as the Defence of suggesting a concentration camp I am India Bill, on the statute book at the not suggesting that it should be in any present juncture is beyond dobut or brutal way. I should Say it may be dispute. I should, however, like to a dignified concentration camp. They quote the wise Duke in Shakespeare's may be allowed to read newspapers. "Measure for Measure" who says: They must not be allowed to have a transmitting set, of course, but they "He who the sword of Heaven may be allowed to read newspapers. will bear, should be as Holy as The letters that they will be sending Severe." to their rishtedars or relations must be censored and any letter that comes We are arming the executive through to them should also be censored. this enactment with vast almost in 'I'JH:se re"triclions should be put Draconian powers. I hope that in or impospd on them and they administrating this law, the executive should not be allowed to go about in will strive to be "as holy as severe". ihis country ,and undermi.ning what is the right of every Indian, that is, to Maharajkum:lr Vijaya Ananda ,tand by ror his Government to fight (Visakhapatnam): Mr. Speaker, I for his land and his country. support this Bill which, in my OpIniOn, is of an impeTative nature. As I said, I am not touching on per- I have been at great pains to under- Fonalities. This is my general view .tand why any law-abiding citizen of that the sooner we put the Commu- this country shOUld be frightened by nists into a concentration eamp the this Bill. This is how I feel, that if beteer. Even if one is Soviet-minded, you are wrong with I yourself, then the fact is that he is a Communist. A you would be scared by a Bill of this leopard never changes his spots. Till kind, but if you are a law-abiding the war is over and til! our country citizen there is no earthly reason to comes back to us, that is till those por- think that the law will get hold of tions that have been occupied by the you. After 'all, when yOU are at war Chinese come back to us, their right you have to introduce measures which place is a concentratiOn camp. you would not have otherwise. This measure is against people who are Shri Daji (Indore): Thank you for saboteurs, who are fifth cohrmnists, the newspapers that you will allow. who do underground work to come in the way of the war effort. It is Maharajkumar Vljaya Ananda: As &lso for those who are anti- I said, I am not entering into any JlaUonal and anti war-minded. So, personaliiies. My hon. friend is a 335 1 Defence AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAKA) of India Bill 3352 good friend of mine. I am not 8\1i- adjudication before the State gesting that he should go. I am only Labour Depolrtment. The adjudi- putting it generally. That is all. If cation proceedings in such cases the cap fits a certain man, he is wel- will take a minimum of six come to put it on.. I have nothing to months to reach a decision." Bay.
I am glad to see that in future the An Hon. Member: Very law-abid- High Courts and the Supreme Court ing! will have less work and less bothera- tion with the writ petitions. That is Maharajkumar Vijaya Anamla: I one of the things that this Bill will do hOPe that the hon. Law Minister bring about. But I do feel that writ who has very ably adopted and pilot- petitions flIed before this Bill was ed this Bill will take this into account. introduced should be disposed of. I think, it would be but fair a;nd proper Shri S. M. Banerjee: There i.a no tha t those writ petitions are disposed Communist union in Kanpur in the Of becaus'e oherwise even people who textile industry. have filed writ petitions for very good purpose will also be losing by this. It Maharajkumar Vijaya Ananda: If will cause injury. So, I think. writ workers can delay matters to the ex- .petitions before the 8th November, ten t of six mon ths, that is, by the that is, before this Bill was brought ti ~ the adjUdication tribunal gives in, may be allowed to be disposed of the decision, it will impair the war by the High Courts and the Supreme effort. I think. the han. Law Minis- Court. ter who has very ably piloted this Bill might make an amendment or Only recently, as a matter of fact someihing like that so that this as- I was in Kanpur yestcrd3y. some pect also is completely covered and it friends of mine gave me a ,,"ry good is all-embracing. clipping from the Hind1tstan ·Times. It reads this: Much has been said about Tezpur land what has happened and sO on "Kanpur. . The Communist- and so forth. Of course, it is scanda- dominated Mill Workers' Union of lous when one hears that the officials Kanpur has baulked th(' ('fl'orts of were the first to run away. Indeed, the management and other loyal if that is true, it is a very sad com- workers to step up production, in- mentary on the services attached to cluding defence orders. by refus- Tezpur. I feel that every city should ing to put in extra hours of work. bear the name, if not exactly the With heavy orders fOr defence name. should be nothing short of a and civilian goods the mill autho- Stalingrad. Tezpur or and city should rities approached the workers to be our Stalingard and sh'ould fight agree to work extra hours. The and never give in. nOn-Communist unions readily agreed, but the Communist-domi- 13 hrs. nated one negatived the proposal. Great personalities. including Shri The Communist-led union car- Jaya Prakash Narayan-I have great ried out its intention by a recourse respect for him; but he was one along to legal technicialities. with many others-advocated that we Under the Factories Act man- should get out of the Commonwealth; agement must give 15 days' notice we should have nothing to do with to workers if over-time working them; let Us be independent; let us is to be introduced. If a section of get out of it; while forgetting that workers do not agree, they have we are an independent sovereign body, the right to take the dispute for we must stiLl ask to get out of the Defence NOVEMBER 26, 1962 of IndiaBitl 3354
[Maharajkumar Vijaya Anand.] Commonwealth. Now I ask: Have I know, there are many hon. Mem- they 3Illything to say? Who are our bers who would like to speak on this friends? Who have come to our res- fBill. As I said, no law-abiding citi- cue? Who have cpme forward with- ,zen should be frightened of this Bill. out any strings. without anything. .If he is frightened, it means that there Here we found the head of the Army ,is something wrong with his consci- arrive in Delhi. The Secretary of lence. Stale for Co on al~ Relations, Before I close, I would like to Mr. Sandys, was here. pay an humble tribute to our Presi- dent who went to the front-linn at An HOD. Member: He is here. personal risk and great inconvel'_c·Ue-,. The fact that he went there and saw Maharajkumar Vljaya Ananda: They the wounded and those that were giv- have all come. We find that our asso- ing life to this country was the grea- ciation with the Britishers has stood test thing of the present times. Us in good stead. I hope, those doubt- Shri Sezhiyan (P,'rambulur): Mr. ing Thomases will now forget or take Deputy-Speaker, Sir, that there is an back those unpleasant remarks that emergency due to the Chinese a'ggres- they made about the Britishers and sion is obvious to all. To meet the -their friendship with us. emerIT"nry, to safegu'ard t.he coun- try's liberty and to prepare the coun- I was very glad to read in the papers try in an effective way for the war, it that the language question will be put is but fair that. the Govel1nrnent be off for some time bccausn it always provided with some special power as brings about a controversial aspect is necessary for the occasion. A peace_ between Hindi and English. I per- ful and peace-loving country lik" ours sonally feel that to leavc the Lan- a~ been dl'3wn into the arena of guage Bill once and for all wi!) be do- hot war. But, the people hav(' res- ing a service. Th,· F.nglish lan[!uage ponded with fervour and zeal and is spokcn pr3cti('aliy throughout the have rallied behind their beloved \vor1d. So f::;r as we are concerned, Prim" Minister and the Government. ""C should be very happy to associate The first and foremost thing for the with English fOr generations to come. country and !llso for the people is to b"come stroog. It is al) very well that the people have responded with Shri S. M. Banerjee: No, no; !lot at fervour and zeal in this way. We .n. should canalise this enthusiasm and this emotional upheaval in the coun- Maharajkumar Vijaya Ananda: Why try. Otherwise, in course of time, we not? I do not a~ that you should not a~' find it difficult to ralIy them speak any other tongue. I speak again. Therefore, I appeal to the Telugu and the hon. Member probab- Government and ~.t e Prime Minis..( ly speaks Bengali. tel' to canalise the emotional enthu- siasm found in the people and also to Shri S. M. Banerjee: Yes. canalise his enthusiasm to effective war efforts. Every individual, every Maharajkumar Vijaya Ananda: You ci tizen, should feel that he has got can speak any language and also stick some thing to contribute to the to English which has brought real war effort. Whether he is on goods friends ...... (lnteT'l'uption). He the farm or in the factory, whe- had his say and I may be allowed to ther he is in the village or in proceed. I interfere in nobody's the town or anywhere, he should speech, as you know, and I feel that be given some concrete job to do. He ·the hon. Member should also allow should feel that he is contribuUng his ~ to have my innings when I get on Own share in his own way for the my feet. war effort. 3355 Defence AGRAHAYANA 5, 1884 (SAKA) of India Bill 3356 The present cease-fire offer by ther we should prepare in a methodical, Chinese probably seems more to per-' disciplined and technical way and we plex and confuse us. Probably t e~ should also be prepared for a lOlllg want some more time to adjust or re drawn and strenuous war. The other group their positions. Therefore, w way, a Peking paper, speaking of the should not be misled by the cease-fir Cease fire offer has came out that India that is offered 'now .Whether it wa should accept the friendly and gene- d ~ to their own logistic and supply rous offer of the Chinese Govern- difficulties, or whether it was due to ment. It has also given a veiled threat 'Russian pressure Or whether it is due that otherwise, the war wiI! be a pro- to the massive aid that has been Offer-I longed and disastrous one to India. We ed by other countries to Us or whe- know what these words mean. The ther it is due to the resoluteness and words generous and friendly, in enthusiasm shown by the people of:\ ChineSe parlance, perhaps mean total India. whatever may be the reasons . submission and utter humiliation. We that prompted the Chunese to offer also know the veiled threat that they ~ea e-fire one very important thing we are giving us. They want us to sub- should remember. That is, we should mit without any resistance. We would not relax our efforts in e o in~ rather go on fighting, we would rather strcfng. Our prime need is that we go On fighting to the last village and should become strong. We should be to the last man, We would rather go on come strong in military power, in our fighting and all die in the process than equipment. We should become strong meekly submit to the disgrace and dic- in our convictiOn that democracy is not tum Of the Peking regime. This we only the best form of Government should make clear to the aggressors on but also the strongest form of Govern- our soil. ment available on earth. We should became strong in OUr conviction that We should win this war and that we shall win this war whatever be the We are faced with many shortages. price that we have to pay. We should It is stated that we are in a state of become strong and also prove it to the un-preparedness. The greatest short- enemy that we are strong. That is the age that confronts the country now, I prime need of this hour. think, is the shortage of time. The Chinese have a slight advantage over us in this respect. For ten long years, In making ourselves strong, we are -ten long treacherous years they have glad to '!lote that other countries, been preparing for a war on us. We friendly democratic countries, have have been caught unawares. Still, there come forward to give Us massive aid. is (lathing to worry about. Even highly 'Wherever it comes from, it will be industrialised, highly equipped wes- welcome. Because we are fighting the tern cOU:l1tries have passed through war in the name of democracy, in the thl' same ordeal at one time Or an- name of jul!tice. other when war broke out suddenly 011 them. The United States of America went through this ordeal in Anything that impedes the war ef- 1940-41 which has been called the 10rts, anything that weakens our de- 'Battle of Time' by their historians. -fence should be ruthlessly and com- Therefore, there is nothing to worry pletely swept aside. Nothing is more about this shortage of time. We have dear, nothing is more sacred in our to equip ourselves in the shortest time soil than the defence and dignity of possible and in the quickest possible the country. Towards this end, we wav available. In spite Of looking ,should all strive and work. for' help from outside. whatever help we are !roing to get. We should not Modern war tends to be methodical, depl'nd entirely on foreign help a'!ld 1eclmlcal, disciplined and long drawn. fnrpie:n equipment alone. We should 'Therefore, when We prepare for war, also prepare ourselves in our own .2234 (aii) LS--12. 3.157 Defence NOVEMBER 26, 1962 of India BUI 3358 -[Shri Sczhiyan] way. That means. for total war over all sections Of the commu- war. we have to array the nity. maximum portion of our man power, We should keep a constant vigilance natural resources and capital equip- on production, distribution, market ment. We have to increase our pro- price level of foodgrains, food duction. by increasing our effiCiency, articles, textiles, drugs and medicines, by working longer hours, by working fertilisers, agricultural implements. more shifts and also utilising fully the building materials, kerosene and other instalJed capacity of each industrial consumer goods. unit. We have to re-shape the indus- trial set up and also the economic set. About agriculture, ma;ny hon. Mem- up of the country and fix fresh and bers who have spoken before me have immediate economic targets. stressed the point that agricultural Under the powers given in the De- production has got to be stepped up fence Of Lndia Bill, the Government at all costs. We also know the fam- should be able to control all types of ous dictum that "food will win the production. Quantity and quality war and write the peace." Therefore, control also shOuld be brought we should impress on the villages who about not only in the pub- want to know what they have to do, lic sector, but also in the private sec- who are enthusiastic in contributing tor. Also we should make many modi- to the war effort. that their work in fications in the types of production. the field is as glorious and as impor- VarioUs frills and fancies should be ant as the work of a soldier in the scrapped. Ornamentation shOUld give Held of war. way to utility. We have also to fore- Under this Bill, special and sweep- go some of the luxury goods and prc- ing powers have been given to the pare for essentbl war needs. GCJ\'erament. We h3.ve given the Also, the other day, I read in the powers to them with full confidence papers that there is going to be a that this power will be utilised to scheme of beautification of the Jumna pl'otccl dem()cracy and defend the left bank by the authorities concern- country from aggression. Therefore, to ed. While I have no objection to stich that extent, we are pportin~ that. schemes, I would humbly submit that In trying to protect democracy, we this kind Of beautification may wait should not stifle it. for some time. Now, the need of the A t this stage, I w()uld urge that we hour is fortification Of the country and should not make searching enquiries not beautification. Beautification can on the mistakes and misgivings of tne wait for some time, and we can spend past. This is no time for breeding or more· on war efforts and on our equip- enquirying about them. Let Us lOOK ment. forward. Let Us firmly resolVe to wipe out all defi ien~ie to sweep Also, in war time, next to produc- away all obstacles that stand in the tion comes price control. In the pre- way. To win the war should be our sent Bill, the Government has got prime a;nd only motive. Let Us firmly ample powers to hold the price line, to resolve now to vacate aggression, to root out black-marketing, profiteering, defend the dignity and preserve the· hoarding and also speculation. I am freedom of the country. happy to note that the Government have appointed a high level Price 'IT ~ ~ (wm'ifTfffi:): stabilisatioo committee and also Price controllers fOr some industries. Price ~~ ~ ~ ;;ft~ centro] is one of the most important f~ ~ ~f; rr f ~f.I r !R 1!~ f ~'l ~~ ~ 13.11 hrs. 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