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Merle Haggard: The Big Interview Episode Number: 03 Episode Title: Merle Haggard Description: Country music legend Merle Haggard sits down for a rare one-on-one interview. He‘s been given one of this nation‘s highest achievements for the performing arts…he‘s been elected to the Country Music Hall of Fame, but it all started with a life behind bars. ACT 1 DAN RATHER (VOICE OVER) TONIGHT...A COUNTRY MUSIC LEGEND...MERLE HAGGARD SITS DOWN FOR A RARE ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW. HE‘S BEEN GIVEN ONE OF THIS NATION‘S HIGHEST ACHIEVEMENTS FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS...HE‘S BEEN ELECTED TO THE COUNTRY MUSIC HALL OF FAME...BUT IT ALL STARTED WITH A LIFE BEHIND BARS. RATHER Between age nine and what, 20 or 21, you were in and out of well over a dozen institutions of one kind or another. MERLE HAGGARD, COUNTRY MUSIC LEGEND That'd be very conservative. The possibility of having-- a career in music was way out of reason. I didn't think that was possible, so I took to studying the bad way. RATHER (VOICE OVER) ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OUTLAWS OF COUNTRY MUSIC...MERLE HAGGARD...ON, THE BIG INTERVIEW! ACT 2 DAN RATHER (VOICE OVER) MERLE HAGGARD HAS RECORDED MORE THAN 40 NUMBER ONE COUNTRY HITS….LIKE MOVIN ON...IN 1975. HIS CAREER HAS SPANNED SIX DECADES. AND WHILE MOST PEOPLE HAVE RETIRED BY THE AGE OF 76, MERLE IS STILL ROLLIN‘ ALONG. TONIGHT, THE SMOKY MOUNTAIN CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS IN FRANKLIN NORTH CAROLINA WILL BE SOLD OUT. IN JUST A COUPLE OF 1 HOURS 1500 FANS WILL JAM THIS PLACE…PAYING UP TO 50 DOLLARS A HEAD TO SEE AN ICON FOR, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THE LAST TIME. I‘VE LISTENED TO AND FRANKLY ENJOYED HIS MUSIC FOR 50 YEARS… BEEN TO HIS CONCERTS...BUT I‘D NEVER MET MERLE HAGGARD. MERLE HAGGARD, COUNTRY MUSIC LEGEND Hey Dan, how are ya? How are you sir? RATHER Hi Merle how are you… Dan Rather, what a pleasure to see you, thanks for doing this. HAGGARD Well you‘re quite welcome. RATHER You have a good nap? HAGGARD Yeah I did. RATHER (VOICE OVER) HAGGARD SPENT LAST NIGHT ...LIKE MOST NIGHTS ON THE BUS... TRAVELING FROM A CONCERT IN OHIO. RATHER Well, how the hell are ya? HAGGARD Well pretty good for an old guy, you know. RATHER Well you won‘t be able to talk to me about being old. 2 HAGGARD What‘s your age? RATHER I‘ll be 82 this October. HAGGARD Well I‘ve gotta call you mister then right? RATHER (VOICE OVER) IT‘S TWO HOURS BEFORE THE DOORS OPEN...THE STAGE HAS BEEN BUILT...SPEAKERS SET...LIGHTS READY. HAGGARD HAS DONE THIS ROUTINE THOUSANDS OF TIMES BEFORE BUT HE STILL WANTS TO HEAR WHAT THE ACOUSTICS, WHAT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE WILL SOUND LIKE TONIGHT. RATHER Well I‘m just going to take kind of a back seat here while you do whatever you do. What is it you are about you do? HAGGARD Well we basically check the electronics, see that our microphones are working properly and work on a couple of songs maybe, you know. RATHER Well let me step aside over in the corner and let you do what you do and I‘ll see you afterward. RATHER (VOICE OVER) FROM THE FIRST NOTE…THE RICHNESS IN HIS VOICE…STILL RESONATES…AND FILLS THE EMPTY HALL….THESE ARE THE SOUNDS THAT HAVE TOLD THE TALES OF HIS LIFE... AND THE LIVES OF GENERATIONS OF AMERICANS. LIKE HIS HIT SONG ―I CAN‘T GET AWAY‖... HIS MUSIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR ‗THE COMMON MAN‘...THE WORKING CLASS. THE DREAMERS AND DRIFTERS WITH WHOM HAGGARD HAS ALWAYS IDENTIFIED …THEY ARE THE POOR AND 3 PROUD. AND MERLE HAGGARD KNOWS POOR…HIS PARENTS MOVED FROM OKLAHOMA TO CENTRAL CALIFORNIA DURING THE DEPRESSION. THEY SETTLED IN BAKERSFIELD… HIS FATHER FINALLY FOUND A JOB WITH THE RAILROAD. AND THEIR FAMILY HOME WAS A CONVERTED BOXCAR THAT IS STILL STANDING TODAY IN BAKERSFIELD… A TOWN THAT WOULD ONE DAY BECOME SYNONYMOUS WITH HIS MUSIC. BUT IT WAS A LONG WAY TO STARDOM… RATHER You've described yourself several times as, and I quote now, ―a walking miracle.‖ What do you mean by that? HAGGARD You know, I-- I'm from a poor family. And-- when you lose half of the-- the house-- my father died when I was nine. So my mother was left with the entire operation, which wasn‘t much. I don't know how I could be any farther down than-- than I was. I mean, we were-- we didn't have no sidewalks. We didn't have no clock tower. RATHER Well, the profile is there. Home was-- a boxcar that was made into home? Lost your father at age nine. Between age nine and what, 20 or 21, you were in and out of what-- well over a dozen institutions of one kind or another. HAGGARD That'd be very conservative. RATHER (VOICE OVER) HAGGARD BEGAN RUNNING AWAY WHEN HE WAS TEN YEARS OLD…STOWING AWAY ON A FREIGHT TRAIN TO FRESNO. HIS LIFE INCREASINGLY BECAME A CYCLE OF JUVENILE DELINQUENCY… HERE 16 YEAR OLD MERLE GETS VISIT FROM HIS FAMILY WHILE STAYING AT A DETENTION CENTER RIGHT OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELES. BUT THESE STINTS WERE QUICKLY FOLLOWED BY AN ESCAPE. FLEEING CUSTODY BECAME HIS SPECIALTY… HE RAN AWAY AT LEAST 17 TIMES. IT WAS ONLY AFTER HE LANDED IN SAN QUENTIN – AND ITS 70 FOOT WALLS—THAT HAGGARD STOPPED RUNNING. HE WAS 19-YEARS OLD BY THEN AND IT WAS HIS FIRST TIME IN THE BIG HOUSE…BUT BECAUSE OF HIS ESCAPE 4 RECORD, THE PRISON CLASSIFIED HIM AS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS CONVICTS… HAGGARD With my record of escape they wouldn‘t let me out of my cell after 4 o‘clock in the afternoon. RATHER Because you‘d escaped so many times previously? HAGGARD Yup. So for the first-- 18 months, maybe a little more, I wasn't able to participate in any of the functions that were available, such as music. But-- with the help of the people that were playin' on what they called the warden's show, they were able to get my classification changed after about 18 months or so there. And I was able to-- to-- play the warden's show. And there was-- it's quite-- quite a deal. You get-- you get to-- I think we got two-- two packs of Camels and a steak dinner. And they didn't have no steak dinners in San Quentin except that one. RATHER Yeah, I wanna take you back. You get out of San Quentin. And you started-- playing professionally. Is that when you started writing music? Or had you been writing music before then? HAGGARD You know, I started writing music, or trying to write music-- when I was seven or eight years old. And-- it shows up in my report cards-- "Won't pay attention, starin' out the window. Has great potential. He could be a great student but he won't pay attention." Well, I was scribbling then, I was trying to write. RATHER Well, what happened? Because at some point you went into first truancy and then into-- crime and ever-increasing kinds of crime. Let's try to help somebody who's watching and listening who's struggling with being a parent or worried about their grandchildren. How did that happen? Why did that happen? HAGGARD 5 You know, if you go-- if you go really down into the depths of things, it was-- it was about truancy. The education that I needed I knew was not in that classroom. So I was staring out the window. RATHER Right. So you-- you become a truant. And one of the things, you Hot Box cars and skip around. But that's truancy. How did it wind up leading to crime? HAGGARD Well, when you go to jail for truancy, they don't separate you from the hardened criminals. And so there was some old boys in there that had some-- what sounded like successful possibilities in the areas of crime, you know. RATHER Kind of a crime school? HAGGARD You bet. And I-- started to idolize people that-- Bonnie and Clyde and John Dillinger. The possibility of having-- a career in music was way out of reason. I didn't think that was possible, so I took to studying the bad way. When I went to San Quentin, I-- maybe for 18 months or so, I mighta just really had a lotta-- lotta fun there. I was playin' music and I had a job in the laundry. And the laundry d-- the guy that was runnin' the laundry didn't know whether we were there or not. We'd slip out in-- onto the football field and play guitars. And I had quite a business goin'. I had-- I was sellin' beer and cigarettes and had a loan company and-- RATHER Inside prison? HAGGARD Yeah. And-- so I went to the parole board. And suddenly reality was slapped right in my face when one of the guys in there said-- leaned across the table and said, "Looks like you're havin' a real good time here." And I hadn't really thought about it that way, you know, talk to you later. RATHER (VOICE OVER) 6 HIS PAROLE WAS DENIED...BUT STAYING IN PRISON BROUGHT HIM FACE TO FACE WITH A PERFORMER WHO WOULD CHANGE HIS LIFE… RATHER (VOICE OVER) THAT PART OF OUR STORY IS NEXT.