Jilid V Hari Khamis No. 14 17hb Oktober, 1968

PERBAHATHAN PARLIMEN DEWAN RA'AYAT YANG KEDUA

PENGGAL KELIMA

PENYATA RASMI

KANDONGAN-NYA USUL2: Philippines' Claim to Sabah—Declaration of Philippines Legislation Annexing Sabah as Null and Void [Ruangan 2577] Anggaran Pembangunan Sementara Tahun 1969 (Kertas Perentah Bil. 46 Tahun 1968) [Ruangan 2629] Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), 1966— Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 19), 1968 [Ruangan 2630] Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) (No. 17), 1968 [Ruangan 2631] Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) (No. 16), 1968 [Ruangan 2635] Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 20), 1968 [Ruangan 2646] Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) (No. 18), 1968 [Ruangan 2647] Undang2 Kastam, 1967— Perentah Chukai Kastam (Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) (No. 8), 1968 [Ruangan 2636] RANG UNDANG2: The Pensions (Amendment) Bill [Ruangan 2647] Rang Undang2 Kumpulan Wang Yang di-Satukan (Perbelanjaan Pendahuluan) [Ruangan 2655] Rang Undang2 Penyemakan Undang2 [Ruangan 2657] The Interpretation (Amendment) Bill [Ruangan 2660] Rang Undang2 (Perbadanan) Persekutuan Budak2 Pengakap Malaysia [Ruangan 2663] PENANGGOHAN SINE DIE (USUL) [Ruangan 2666]

DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1969 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT YANG KEDUA PENGGAL YANG KELIMA

Penyata Rasmi

Hari Khamis, 17hb Oktober. 1968

Persidangan bermula pada pukul 10 pagi YANG HADHIR: Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak. Perdana Menteri dan Menteri Hal Ehwal Luar Negeri, Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ, K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). Timbalan Perdana Menteri, Menteri Pertahanan, Menteri Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri dan Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar, Y.A.B. TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSEIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Talikom, Y.A.B. TUN V. T. SAMBANTHAN, S.S.M., P.M.N. (Sungai Siput). Menteri Ke'adilan, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). Menteri Perdagangan dan Perusahaan, Yang Berbahagia Tan Sri DR LIM SWEE AUN, P.M.N., J.P. (Larut Selatan). Menteri Hal Ehwal Sarawak, Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K. (Sarawak). Menteri Buroh, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., PJ.K. (Kelang). Menteri Penerangan dan Penyiaran dan Menteri Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat). Menteri Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak). Menteri Hal Ehwal Tanah dan Galian, DATO' HAJI ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak). Menteri Hal Ehwal Sabah, DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). Menteri Muda Kebudayaan, Belia dan Sokan, ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, D.P.M.T., J.M.N., P.J.K. (Trengganu Tengah). Menteri Muda Perdagangan dan Perusahaan, TUAN ABDUL TAIB BIN MAHMUD (Sarawak). Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Kesihatan, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN, J.M.N. (Seberang Tengah). Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Buroh, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan). 2571 17 OKTOBER 1968 2572

Yang Berhormat Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Kewangan, TUAN ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan). Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Timbalan Perdana Menteri, TUAN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara). NIK ABDUL AZIZ BIN NIK MAT (Kelantan Hilir). TUAN HAJI ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N. (Melaka Selatan). WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATO' TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah). TUAN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis). Y.A.M. TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang). TUAN HAJI ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH, J.P. (Bachok). TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SA'AID, J.P. (Seberang Utara). PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak). WAN ALWI BIN TUANKU IBRAHIM (Sarawak). TUAN RAFAEL ANCHETA, A.M.N. (Sabah)- DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.M.J. (Muar Selatan). TUAN HAJI AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak). TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Bentong). TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON, J.P. (Bruas). TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah). TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta). TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN, A.M.N. (Sarawak). TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak). TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.M.J., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor). Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). Yang Berhormat TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K. (Sabah). TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT, A.M.N. (Sabah). TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Pulau Pinang Utara). TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kapar). TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kulim Utara). TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N. (Jerai). WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD, J.P. (Tumpat). 2573 17 OKTOBER 1968 2574

Yang Berhormat TUAN STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K. (Sabah). DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN, J.P. (Ulu Kelantan). TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN, S.M.K. (Kota Bharu Hulu). TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS, J.P. (Pulau Pinang Selatan). Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N. (Johor Tenggara). Yang Berhormat PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, K.M.N., Q.M.C, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan). TUAN THOMAS KANA, K.M.N. (Sarawak). TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG, O.B.E. (Sarawak). TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak). TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N. (Tanjong Malim). TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong). TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K. (Alor Star). DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN PETER LO SU YIN (Sabah). DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan). TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.M.N., J.P. (Port Dickson). TUAN C. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah). DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K. (Kuala Kangsar). ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah). TUAN MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut), TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., PJ.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol). TUAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., PJ.K. (Kuala Langat). TUAN MOHD. ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N. (Sungai Patani). WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman). TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir). DATO' HAJI MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah). Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI HAJI NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir). Yang Berhormat TUAN NG FAH YAM, J.P. (Batu Gajah). „ TUAN ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak). TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak). 2575 17 OKTOBER 1968 2576

Yang Berhormat TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Pedis Utara). TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N. (Johor Bahru Barat). TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin). TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, S.MJ., P.I.S. (Muar Pantai). TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, PJ.K. (Seberang Selatan). TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat). TUAN HAJI SULEIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON, P.J.K. (Bagan Datoh). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut). PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah). TUAN TAI KUAN YANG, A.M.N. (Kulrm Bandar Bharu). TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak). DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Batu). TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, A.M.N., J.P. (Bagan). TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka). TUAN TAN TSAK YU, P.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara). TUAN TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar). TUAN YEH PAO TZE, A.M.N. (Sabah). TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB, P.J.K. (Langat).

YANG TIADA HADHIR: Yang Berhormat Menteri Kewangan, Y.A.B. TUN TAN SIEW SIN, S.S.M., J.P. (Melaka Tengah). Menteri Pengangkutan, Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). Menteri Pelajaran, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). Menteri Kebajikan 'Am, Yang Berbahagia TAN SRI HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, P.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan Perumahan, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, P.J.K. (Ulu Selangor). Menteri Kesihatan, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson). Menteri Muda Ta' Berjabatan, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). Menteri Muda Pelajaran, TUAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sepang). Menteri Muda Hal Ehwal Dalam Negeri, TUAN HAMZAH BIN DATO' ABU SAMAH, S.M.K. (Raub). WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T. (Kuala Trengganu Utara). TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K. (Kuantan). 2577 17 OKTOBER 1968 2578

Yang Berhormat DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, S.M.T., Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN C. V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar). TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N., J.P. (Baling). Yang Amat Berbahagia TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N., S.P.MJ. (Johor Timor). Yang Berhormat TUAN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah). TUAN MOHD. ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah). DATO' HAJI MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K. (Pasir Puteh). TUAN HAJI MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD. TAHIR, A.B.S. (Sarawak). Yang Amat Berbahagia TUN DATU MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., P.D.K. (Sabah). Yang Berhormat TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor). TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR, K.M.N (Krian Darat). RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor). TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh). DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu). TUAN SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K. (Seremban Barat). TUAN SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak). TUAN TAJUDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang). TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak). TENGKU ZAID BIN TENGKU AHMAD (Pasir Mas Hulu).

YANG HADHIR BERSAMA: Yang Berhormat Menteri Ta' Berjabatan, TUAN ABDUL GHAFAR BIN BABA.

which Act annexed Sabah as a territory of DO'A the Philippines. This claim is both unfounded (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan and done without any lawful justification or excuse, calculated to convey to the Philippines Meshuarat) a State which forms an integral part of Malaysia. USUL2 This Act therefore impinges upon the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Malay­ PHILIPPINES' CLAIM TO SABAH— sia. It is illegal and therefore this House DECLARATION OF PHILIPPINES declares that the annexation of Sabah under LEGISLATION ANNEXING SABAH the said Act is null and void. AS NULL AND VOID That this House categorically rejects the Philippines claim to Sabah as without any Atoran Urusan Meshuarat di-bacha- legal foundation and as a denial of the kan bagi menyambong sa-mula Perba- inalienable right of self-determination of the hathan yang di-tanggohkan atas people of Sabah. masaalah: That this House reiterates the firm deter­ That this House views with grave concern mination of the people of Malaysia to uphold the Philippine Act which was assented to by and defend the sovereignty and territorial the President of the Republic of the integrity of Malaysia, of which Sabah is a Philippines on 18th September, 1968, and constituent State. (16th October, 1968). 2579 17 OCTOBER 1968 2580

Perbahathan di-sambong sa-mula. Sabah is now already having a Gover­ nor, a representative in the Malaysian Tuan D. A. Dago anak Randan Cabinet and representatives sitting in (Sarawak): Mr Speaker, Sir, in support­ this Honourable House and in the Se­ ing the Motion moved by the Honour­ nate, whom the people of Sabah have able Prime Minister in this very elected and chosen in a democratic Honourable House two days ago, I manner. would like to make it clear in this House today that the people in Sara­ Mr Speaker, Sir, Malaysia has one wak, including school children, and the body and one soul. So, we cannot various associations regardless of race, afford to let half of our body and soul colour, creed and political beliefs, are to be grabbed. It is impossible for one completely standing firmly and solidly half of our body and soul to live and behind the Central Government under the other half being grabbed by Presi­ the leadership of the Honourable Prime dent Marcos. If we were to allow this, Minister and the Honourable Deputy our body would not die a natural Prime Minister. death but would die by forcing. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we from East Mr Speaker, Sir, it is heartening to Malaysia are fully prepared to fight in see that the Honourable Members from defending our country from troubles Western Malaysia on both sides of this both from within and without, any Honourable House have shown their time and any place when necessary. keen interest and determination to par­ We strongly believe that the Sabahans ticipate in this particular paramount, have the fullest right of their own important and urgent subject. It clearly choice to choose to be part of Malay­ shows to the world that there is a real sia. Mr Speaker, Sir, the results of the feeling of oneness, close co-operation United Nations Commission of Assess­ and mutual understanding between the ment and the last General Election in peoples of Western and Eastern Malay­ Sabah have shown and indicated clear­ sia and that the very good, capable, ly that the people of Sabah preferred trustworthy leadership and guidance of and have chosen to merge as part of the Honourable Prime Minister and Malaysia. the Honourable Deputy Prime Minis­ ter are always in existence. It is my Sir, it is very shameful of President fervent hope that this spirit of oneness Marcos, who signed the Annexation will continue forever and ever. Bill into law to annex Sabah as a terri­ tory of the Philippines. President Mar­ Once again, Mr Speaker, Sir, I give cos should have thought about it a my wholehearted and fullest support hundred times before he did so, but he to the motion. Thank you, Sir. acted far too fast. As a result, he acted Tuan Lim Pee Hung (Alor Star) just like a three year old child and he (dengan izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise might not even be aware of what he signed. So, I urge him to study the Bill to support fully the Motion tabled in more carefully by reading it over and this august House and I see no reason over again and withdraw it as soon as for our Deputy Prime Minister to go possible, that is before the 20th of this all the way to Tokyo not knowing month. If President Marcos refuses to whom he will meet—Dr Jekyll, Mr withdraw the Bill, we still regard it as Hyde or the devil himself. The reason a piece of paper in a dust-bin, and it is I say this is because, from reports in not valid and it is absolutely useless the Press, I am all the more convinced and meaningless. that there is no sincerity in their pur­ suit for peace in this region. Just Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is very strange imagine, the Foreign Secretary, Mr and ridiculous to learn from the Hon­ Ramos, could speak like a rooster in ourable Minister of Information and the morning and turned out to be a Broadcasting that the Government of goose in the afternoon. So, what can you the Philippines has appointed a Gover­ expect? If our Deputy Prime Minister nor for Sabah and representatives to is going to meet this type of leader, sit in the Philippine Cabinet, whereas then we should not waste time, effort 2581 17 OKTOBER 1968 2582 and energy over a useless cause. Even body, the United Nations, and the if we come to an agreement, I am sure Cobbold Commission; and furthermore it will be broken in no time, as has we had demonstrated to the world that happened on so many occasions. So, we wished to be in Malaysia forever we should not associate ourselves with during the last General Elections in our their silly and crazy intentions and State in 1967. Any attempt to change should be firm in our stand, as Sabah this, our determination, and to colo­ is a constituent state of Malaysia and nise us and enslave us by anyone or by is not up for bargaining, negotiating or any country can only be done over our compromising, and nothing can change dead bodies and the dead bodies of it because it is the will and wish of the our children and our generations to people. When I say people, I mean all come. Malaysians, and these are the people who will defend every inch of the soil Mr Speaker, Sir, let me tell this to the last drop of their blood. There­ august House that there would not be fore, I do hope that the fanatic leaders over 24,000 Filipino nationals residing who are pursuing the Sabah claim, in Sabah looking for a new and better would take heed of the wish of the life, if the way the Philippines Govern­ people, that we mean business in our ment and her President treated them stand, and not be carried away by was good. The Philippine Government, their silly and crazy intentions just to unlike our Government, cannot offer boost their ego and to stay in power, them even their daily domestic require­ and I am sure the electorate of the ments, and unemployment there is Philippines will not be swayed by this beyond question. Sir, from the points I fanatical approach which has brought have raised above we are able to know shame to the Philippines in the eyes what sort of Government President of the world. Thank you, Sir. Marcos has and what kind of person he is. Tuan C. John Ondu Majakil (Sabah): Shall I say that the signing of I Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Annexation Bill, to us, is a blessing in Motion moved by Yang Teramat disguise, perhaps unknown to the igno­ Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri. rant or just pretending President Marcos of the Philippines, for the Sir, to us, the people of Sabah, the more he and his handful of supporters signing of the Congressional Bill annex­ in Manila pursue their baseless and ing Sabah as part of the Philippines by silly claim, the more we are determined President Marcos is a clear proof that to strengthen our solidarity to totally he, Marcos, is a man without principle, rejecting it. absent-minded and insincere, and is a man bankrupt of his political modal. Sir, I use the word "ignorant" The Act itself is a blatant excuse for because President Marcos I am sure day-light robbery of our territory by did not even bother to refer back to all Marcos and his handful of supporters the important documents before in Manila and must be stopped at all pursuing his so-called silly and baseless costs. It is a flagrant violation of self- claim to Sabah. I must advise Marcos determination of the people of Sabah and his few supporters in Manila to go and the fundamental human right and search in their libraries and go enshrined in the United Nations through the documents (if any) of the Charter. International Agreements in connection with the boundaries defined for the then Mr Speaker, Sir, needless to say, North Borneo, now known as Sabah, how many times have we already which is part and parcel of the Malay­ demonstrated to the whole world that sian Federation. we are the masters of our own destiny and no other whatsoever. We attained The Spanish Convention of 1885, the our hard-earned Independence through Treaty of Paris in 1897, the Washing­ and by joining Malaysia of our own ton Treaty of 1900, the Anglo-Ameri­ sovereign free will which had already can Treaty of 1930, the Constitution of been assessed by the highest world the Commonwealth of the Philippines, 2583 17 OKTOBER 1968 2584

1935, and the Constitution of the Re­ this claim, I suggest that he better come public of the Philippines, 1947, all to Sabah, and talk to the people of these define the boundaries of the Sabah and then he will know what is Philippines Islands and not one of going on there, whether we want to be them advanced a claim for the then a part of the Philippines, or whether we North Borneo (now Sabah) nor made want to be colonised and led by them. any suggestion that the Sultan of Sulu I join my colleagues in persuading the did not in fact CEDE his territories in Honourable Deputy Prime Minister not 1878. to go to Tokyo to have a talk with that reptile tongued man from Manila, Sir, I now ask Marcos, where and because the talks will, I am sure, be what is the basis of his claim? If Presi­ valueless. dent Marcos bases his claim on histo­ rical grounds, then I would suggest to Tuan Haji Rahmat bin Daud (Johor Marcos to go to England to the Public Bahru Barat): Yang Berhormat Dato' Records Office in London, and go Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan shukor through the Document of the Treaty of kapada Allah subhanahu wata'ala dan Cession signed by Baron de Overbeck tahniah serta sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh and the Sultan of Sulu in 1878, which di-atas Usui yang di-bawa oleh Yang reads as follows—I quote: Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Men- "We, Sri Paduka Maulana Al Sultan teri atas kebijaksanaan dan kesabaran Mohamed Jamal Al-Alam Bin Sri Paduka Al nya di-atas perbuatan Presiden Marcos Marhom Al Sultan Mohamet Fathlon, Sultan of Sulu and Dependencies thereof, on behalf ia-itu Presiden Philipina yang telah of ourselves, our heirs and successors and memutuskan dalam Kongres-nya ba- with the consent and advice of the Datos in hawa Sabah sa-bahagian daripada Council assembled hereby, grant and CEDE negara Philipina. of our own free and sovereign will to Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong and Alfred Dent Sa-bagai Wakil Ra'ayat dari Johor of London as Representatives of the British Bahru Barat, saya ada-lah menyokong Company co-jointly, their heirs, associates, successors and assigns forever and in 100% di-atas Usul yang di-bawa oleh perpetuity all the rights and powers belonging Perdana Menteri. Kalau memandangkan to me over all the territories and lands being keputusan yang di-ambil oleh Kongres tributory to us on the mainland of the island Philipina, saya sangat geli hati atas of Borneo commencing from the Pandasan River on the north-west coast and extending keputusan yang di-ambil oleh-nya. Pada along the whole east-coast as far as the pendapat saya oleh kerana keputusan Sibuco river in the South and comprising itu telah pun di-tandatangani oleh amongst others the State of Paitan, Sugut, Presiden Marcos, tiga kesimpulan yang Bangaya, Labuk, Sandakan, Kinabatangan, Mumiang and all the other territories and saya dapati, ia-itu: States to the southward thereof bordering (i) Boleh jadi untok faedah diri-nya on Darvel Bay and as far as the Sibuco dan kunchu2-nya untok menda- River with all the islands within three leagues of the Coast." patkan Sabah, sebab Sabah sa- buah negeri yang banyak hasil Mr Speaker, Sir, I think there is no mahsul-nya, ia-itu barangkali need for me to read this Agreement. mereka itu ada corrupted mind. This Agreement was written in Lipuk (ii) Boleh jadi juga mereka itu tidak in Sulu at the palace of His Highness siuman, atau mereng otak-nya. Mohamet Jamal Al Alam on the 19th day of Moharam in the year A.H. 1295 (iii) Barangkali tersilap, tetapi saya answering to 22nd day of January, tidak fikir yang pertama atau 1878. yang kedua, boleh jadi mereka itu tersilap atas keputusan yang Mr Speaker, Sir, we have already di-ambil dan telah pun di-sain, demonstrated to the world, as I said, kerana kesilapan mereka itu tidak by all our demonstrations, our nume­ menjadi apa salah-nya kalau rous demonstrations held throughout mereka itu balek ka-pangkal the State of Sabah as well as here in jalan dan chukup senang sa-kira- West Malaysia and the world knows, nya mereka itu hendak berbaik that we are in the right, So, I think if sa-mula atau hendak mengakui" Marcos wants to further his talk about dan sudah pun di-akui pada 2585 17 OKTOBER 1968 2586 masa dahulu sa-belum kemerde- menyokong supaya Yang Amat Ber- kaan Sabah. Tetapi boleh jadi hormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri dan kerana tamak-nya, atau dalam juga Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku bahasa Indonesia kata perakos Perdana Menteri jangan-lah ambil tahu yang berkehendakkan sangat2 lagi, jangan berunding lagi, sebab ta' negara yang lain, atau negeri ada kena-mengena kita hendak berun­ yang lain masok dalam wilayah- ding, ta'ada fasal apa yang hendak nya, atau malu, kerana balek sa- di-rundingkan. Perkara itu keputusan mula umpama-nya sudah ludah Kongres-nya, kalau sa-kira-nya mereka hendak di-jilat balek. itu terkhilap, mereka boleh menarek balek apa yang telah di-putuskan Tetapi, sa-bagai manusia biasa dahalu. Ini ta' ada kena-mengena selalu membuat kesilapan dan saya dengan kita, dan kita ta' boleh menasi- perchaya sa-bagai pehak Malaysia ter- hatkan mereka itu. Kalau kita hendak utama sa-kali Yang Teramat Mulia rundingkan pun ta' ada benda hendak Tunku Perdana Menteri dan Timbalan di-rundingkan. Dari itu kita berdiam Perdana Menteri sedia berbaik2 dengan diri sahaja, lehat apa telatah-nya. mereka itu, dan dengan sendiri-nya Tetapi, kalau mereka itu mencheroboh kita tidak boleh mengganggu Kongres- negara kita, kita terpaksa memperta- nya untok menarek balek keputusan hankan-nya, wajib kita dengan nama yang teiah di-ambil itu. Kita sudah Allah mempertahankan. Demikian-lah, chukup bersabar. Ini-lah satu jalan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, terima kaseh. yang elok yang sangat di-suka'i oleh Allah subhanahu wata'ala. Sebab apa, Tuan S. Fazul Rahman (Sabah): dalam ayat yang pendek dalam Al- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun Quran, "lnnallaha ma'as sabirin, ingin menyokong usul Tunku Perdana —Ada-lah Tuhan bersama2 dengan 2 Menteri di-dalam masaalah Sabah. mereka yang bersabar." Jadi, sabar Saperti mana rakan2 saya dari Sabah ini-lah yang membawa kita kapada telah pun menerangkan hasrat kami kemunchak kemuliaan dan kebahagiaan ra'ayat Sabah di-dalam soal Sabah, di- Tetapi, kalau mereka juga mengan- sini sa-kali lagi saya ingin menjelaskan, cham dan memasoki negara kita ia-itu seluroh ra'ayat Sabah di-negeri dengan chara paksa menggunakan Sabah termasok keturunan Filipino senjata dan sa-bagai-nya, maka terpak- di-Sabah tidak setuju sama sa-kali sa-lah kita mesti mempertahankan, akan tuntutan Philipina ka-atas Sabah. jikalau tidak kita di-sifatkan dayus. Sabar itu ada pula limit-nya. Kalau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tindakan Presi- mereka itu sudah sampai ka-pintu den Marcos dan kunchu2-nya itu kita, masok negara kita, tidak ada lagi menanda-tangani Rang Undang2 dan tolak ansor. Saya serukan di-sini supa- dengan itu memasokkan negeri Sabah ya pemimpin2 kita istiharkan perang ka-dalam wilayah Republic Philippines, jihad, perang sabil, dengan berhabisan2 ada-lah merupakan satu tindakan atau dengan nama Allah, kita akan dapat perbuatan mencheroboh negeri orang kemenangan akhir-nya, walau pun lain. Kami ra'ayat negeri Sabah khas- bilangan kita di-sini kechil, tetapi nya tidak rela menyerahkan negeri orang Islam tidak takut satu lawan kami walau sa-inchi pun kapada Phili­ sepufoh. Insha' Allah bagaimana Tuhan pina. Kalau Philipina menggunakan berjanji dalam Al-Quran sunggoh pun kekerasan, maka kami dan seluroh kita sadikit, tetapi Tuhan bersama2 kita dalam negara Malaysia akan kita, insha' Allah kita akan menang menghadapi-nya dengan kekerasan pada akhir-nya. Dari itu saya menyeru kapada ra'a- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, semenjak kami yat jelata dalam negara kita yang merdeka menerusi Malaysia, ra'ayat menganut ugama Islam, kita bersedia Sabah telah menikmati dan merasal apa juga di-chabar oleh mereka itu. kebahagiaan hidup dalam erti kata Sampai di-sini sahaja, Dato' Yang di- yang sa-benar-nya, sangat jauh bedza- Pertua, uchapan saya, dan saya harap nya daripada zaman penjajahan kita bersabar dan sa-kali lagi saya dahulu. Ini ia-lah berkat pemimpim 2587 17 OKTOBER 1968 2588 Yang Amat Berbahagia Tun Datu berikan saya kesempatan beruchap, Mustapha bin Datu Harun dan rakan2- saya katakan juga. Terima kaseh. nya di-dalam Parti Perikatan Sabah, dengan penoh kebijaksanaan itu. Inikan Tuan Abdul Ghani bin Ishak (Me- pula sekarang, Philipina dengan laka Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, senang dan sa-mudah itu mahu mema- saya ingin bersama2 menyokong Usui sokkan negeri kami ka-dalam wilayah- yang di-kemukakan oleh Yang Ter- nya, sedangkan ra'ayat Philipina amat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri sendiri banyak menchari nafkah hidup menolak apa yang telah di-putuskan di-Sabah kerana di-Sabah dan di- oleh Kongres Philipina untok mema­ Malaysia kita sentiasa di-dalam aman sokkan Sabah sa-bagai satu bahagian damai. negara Philipina.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Negeri Sabah Mari kita berbalek sa-mula kapada bukan-lah satu barang yang boleh apa yang telah di-uchapkan oleh Yang di-jual beli, dan ra'ayat-nya bukan Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana Menteri "binatang ternakan" dengan senang bahawa Presiden Marcos dengan pe- sahaja di-perlakukan mengikut sa-suka merentahan-nya, kalau kita perhatikan hati. Negeri Sabah ada-lah sa-baha- sunggoh2, sa-olah2 hanya sa-bagai sa- gian daripada Malaysia, dan ra'ayat- buah Kerajaan sandiwara sahaja di- nya ada-lah manusia yang ingin hidup bebas dan merdeka serta mempunyai dunia ini, kerana kalau kita mengikuti hak mutlak-nya yang tersendiri serta sejarah, Philipina telah merdeka 20 tahun dahulu. Dalam masa mereka berkuasa menentukan sikap, pendirian 2 dan kedudokan-nya di-dalam apa juga merdeka sa-hingga ura ra'ayat Sabah masaalah politik. sendiri ingin menchapai kemerdekaan dengan chara memasoki Malaysia, tidak ada satu apa pun daya usaha Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-sini saya 2 ingin menasihatkan Presiden Marcos yang sunggoh daripada ra'ayat Phi­ supaya lebeh dahulu mengator negeri- lipina sendiri berikhtiar hendak me- nya yang kochar-kachir itu, sa-belum merdekakan Sabah. Jadi, hal yang champor tangan dengan urusan negeri bagini tentu-lah bagi pehak dunia yang orang, lebeh2 lagi di-dalam soal-nya telah sama2 mengikut perkembangan2 menuntut Negeri Sabah. yang berlaku di-Tenggara Asia ini telah memberikan pandangan berat di-atas Tuan Yang di-Pertua, meski pun penubohan Malaysia kita, walau pun Presiden Marcos telah menanda-tangani 2 ketika itu di-tentang oleh pehak Rang Undang memasokkan Negeri Philipina dan Indonesia. Sabah sa-bagai sa-bahagian wilayah Philipina, tetapi kertas yang di-tanda- 2 Walau bagaimana pun sa-bagaimana tangani itu tidak mengandongi apa yang kita tahu manusia berpandu erti kapada kami ra'ayat Sabah sama dengan Piagam Bangsa2 Bersatu dan sa-kali, kerana itu hanya merupakan 2 2 hak asasi manusia, maka negara dunia permainan budak nakal yang belum telah memberikan pandangan bahawa dewasa. Tindakan itu bertentangan tindakan kita, Malaysia ini, menuboh- sama sa-kali dengan hasrat, tekad dan kan Malaysia dengan memasokkan azam ra'ayat Sabah seluroh-nya yang Sabah itu ada-lah benar. Jadi kita pada mahu hidup merdeka di-dalam Malay­ 2 2 masa sekarang tidak-lah berasa ragu sia untok sa-lama -nya. lagi dan apa yang di-uchapkan oleh 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, hidup mati, pemimpin kita, umpama-nya uchapan maju mundur, senang dan susah kami Timbalan Perdana Menteri semalam tetap bersama dengan negara yang ber- yang memberi keterangan bahawa daulat yang sudah kami chintai, ia-itu beliau akan hadir di-Tokyo bukan sa- Malaysia merdeka. Kapada ra'ayat bagai Timbalan Perdana Menteri yang Sarawak dan ra'ayat di-Malaysia Barat tidak termasok Sabah, ini ada-lah benar yang menyokong kami dalam mengha- dan pandangan saya sa-bagai hendak dapi anchaman Philipina ini, kami menyokong Kerajaan, ia-itu pemergian tidak lupa menguchapkan berbanyak2 Timbalan Perdana Menteri kita ka- terima kaseh. Kapada tuan yang mem- Tokyo ini hanya boleh di-asaskan 2589 17 OKTOBER 1968 2590 kapada menimbulkan satu suasana ada satu negara di-dalam dunia ini yang baik di-Tenggara Asia ini bukan yang telah pun bertindak saperti ini. kerana tuntutan di atas Sabah. Kerana, Saya tahu ada beberapa buah negara2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita telah faham kechil yang ingin merdeka barangkali sunggoh apa sahaja perundingan yang dia tidak terdaya merdeka sendiri di-jalankan pada masa yang telah lalu, ra'ayat di-dalam negeri itu sendiri apa sahaja tolak ansor yang telah kita mengeluarkan pendapat dan menchari berikan untok menimbulkan sa-suatu ikhtiar barangkali juga berunding de­ yang baik di-kawasan kita ini telah ngan negara2 sa-belah yang sama pun di-lakukan oleh Kerajaan kita, dan keturunan yang lain untok menyatukan ra'ayat seluroh Malaysia memandang negara mereka kalau tidak terdaya kapada pergerakan ini dengan was- mereka merdeka sendiri, tetapi apa pada, dengan penoh tanggong-jawab yang di-buat oleh Philipina, rasa saya sa-hingga akhir2 ini sa-telah menengok- tentu bagi pehak dunia menchatetkan kan tindak tandok Presiden Marcos dalam sejarah-nya bahawa tindakan dan sa-telah menengok apa yang telah Philipina ini tidak langsong sama di-buat oleh sa-buah negara tetangga dengan pendapat2 manusia lain. yang tidak mempunyai chara yang benar2 sa-bagai sa-buah Kerajaan yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak tulin di-dunia ini, ia-itu menchari mahu memanjangkan uchapan saya ikhtiar berdolak dalek dalam sa-suatu dalam Majlis ini kerana terang dari­ perkara yang timbul siasah-nya di- pada uchapan Yang Teramat Mulia antara bangsa, kita tentu-lah sama2 Tunku Perdana Menteri, kemudian uchapan2 dan keterangan2 yang jelas dengan dunia lain, atau pun negara lain 2 tahu melihatkan bagaimana-kah chara yang di-berikan oleh wakil yang ber- mereka itu berunding di-Bangkok chakap pada hari semalam dan pada mithal-nya. Sa-hinggakan Philipina masa yang telah lalu, saya ingin-lah tahu bahawa perundingan di-Bangkok menyatakan bahawa ra'ayat dalam ini ada-lah perundingan untok menuntut kawasan saya menyokong pendirian Sabah, kalau pun boleh hendak di- Kerajaan dan kalau benar pun Tim- kemukakan perkara itu berlaku. Tetapi balan Perdana Menteri kita akan pergi apa yang telah terjadi, kita tertunggu2 berunding juga ka-Tokyo hanya-lah kadang2 budak2 pun bertanya, apa-kah setakat untok mengikat perjanjian yang di-lakukan oleh Kerajaan Phili­ supaya negara kita di-bahagian ini selamat, tidak-lah kerana merunding- pina mahu menuntut Sabah, sedangkan 2 alat2 atau pun perkara2 yang di- kan hal Sabah yang di-tuntut oleh kemukakan ada-lah macham main2 Philipina itu, kerana perkara ini telah sahaja. Menunggu sa-saorang yang terang terbentang bahawa tidak ada patut menghadhiri dalam mashuarat lojik-nya, atau pun tidak ada alasan pun berminggu2, atu pun menghabiskan yang boleh membenarkan perkara masa yang banyak. Jadi ini terang tuntutan Philipina ini hendak di- kapada kita bahawa Kerajaan Philipina binchangkan. Terima kaseh. yang ada sekarang ini sa-olah2 Ke­ rajaan sandiwara. Tuan Aziz bin Ishak (Muar Dalam): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, katakan- menyokong penoh atas chadangan lah dalam tuntutan itu tidak ada per­ Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku Perdana kara2 yang boleh di-pertimbangkan, Menteri sa-bagaimana usul yang di- atau boleh di-meshuaratkan ketika di- bentangkan dalam Dewan ini dua hari Bangkok, mereka berpakat2 pula yang lalu mengenai soal Sabah ini. dengan apa chara yang menasabah Melihat telatah2 yang di-buat oleh untok mereka hendak kemukakan tun­ Marcos dan beberapa orang pemimpin2 tutan Philipina ka-atas Sabah ini. Philipina terhadap pergolakan yang Mereka bermeshuarat memasokkan berlaku atas perkara Sabah ini, pula bahagian satu daripada Rang Kerajaan Malaysia harus-lah berhati2 Undang2 bagi Kerajaan mereka ia-itu bagi menjalankan sa-barang langkah Sabah ini pula sa-bagai sa-buah terhadap soal ini. Saya bersama2-lah wilayah Filipina. Ini rasa saya tidak dengan rakan2 saya meminta kapada 2591 17 OCTOBER 1968 2592

Kerajaan kita supaya jangan sa-kali2 ra'ayat negara kita ini. Ini sudah menghantar Timbalan Perdana Menteri chukup menjadikan satu pengajaran ka-Tokyo berunding dengan pehak kapada Kerajaan kita, apa guna kita Philipina sa-hingga mereka menarek layan sa-buah negara yang tidak ada balek undang2 memasokkan Sabah sa- pendirian saperti Philipina ini, sa-buah bahagian daripada wilayah-nya. Pe- Kerajaan tidak tetap pendirian, sa-buah mimpin Philipina, lidah-nya bercha- Kerajaan yang sangat liar. Jadi jikalau bang saperti ular. Kita tidak boleh Kerajaan kita melayan sa-buah Kera­ sama sa-kali memperchaya'i kata2 jaan yang sa-rupa ini saya takut nanti pemimpin2 Philipina itu, di-hadapan Kerajaan kita pula di-katakan oleh kita dia mengatakan lain, tetapi di- dunia luar bahawa Kerajaan kita pula belakang kita lain pula perjalanan-nya sudah tidak tetap pendirian-nya. Jadi, bagaimana yang di-katakan oleh Men­ itu-lah sahaja pandangan saya, Tuan teri Penerangan dan Penyiaran kita Yang di-Pertua, di-atas soal ini. Terima kelmarin. kaseh.

Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita mesti-lah Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong) (dengan menjaga dan mengekalkan pandangan 2 izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, at the outset I dunia terhadap pemimpin negara kita would like, first and foremost, to say yang bagitu tegas di-dalam mengeluar- 2 that although I would be proposing a kan pendapat dan suara kita terhadap mild and slight amendment to the sa-barang masaalah di-dunia ini. Motion as proposed by the Honourable Jangan kita sa-kali2 melayan pemim­ 2 Prime Minister but, nevertheless, I pin Philipina yang berdolak-dalek itu, would like to state fully that in intent, kerana negeri kita bukan terdiri dari 2 spirit, we completely and solidly sup­ pemimpin yang tidak tegas saperti port the Prime Minister's Motion. Philipina itu. Apa yang di-lakukan oleh pemimpin2 Philipina terhadap soal Sir, in participating in the debate on Sabah ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada- this Motion made by the Honourable lah satu perkara yang amat memalu- Prime Minister and in adding support kan diri-nya sendiri. Kita umpamakan from my constituency to the general pergolakan yang sedang berlaku se- abhorrence and rejection of the Act karang ini di-antara kita terhadap made by the Philippine House of perkara Sabah itu, kita telah mendapat Representatives and the Philippine banyak pengajaran dari soal ini. Government, I would like to take up Philipina telah melakukan banyak foul the debate from the point where the di-dalam soal ini, umpama-nya kita Honourable Prime Minister has stated berlawan tinju pusingan yang pertama, in this House that whilst we hope for perundingan yang di-adakan di-Bang- the best we must be prepared for the kok Philipina juga membuat berbagai2 worst. helah sa-hingga perundingan itu gagal. Kemudian pusingan kedua pula di- Sir, what we say and what we do Jakarta, Ramos telah berjanji dengan here today in this House is of very Timbalan Perdana Menteri kita supaya great importance not only to the people di-adakan masa bertenang, tetapi apa of Malaysia but also to the people of yang di-buat oleh Philipina bahawa ia the South-East Asian region, parti­ juga telah melakukan tandatangan cularly to the people in the Philippines, undang2 memasokkan Sabah di-wilayah and also to the rest of the world. Sir, Philipina. what has been said in the last two days has clearly indicated to the people in Kemudian pusingan ketiga pula, South-East Asia and to the people in Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perundingan di- the Philippines and to the people in the Tokyo itu di-tentukan, tetapi Ramos rest of the world, that we, the repre­ juga telah membuat foul lagi meme- sentatives of the people of Malaysia, chahkan soal ini di-Bangsa2 Bersatu are fully and one hundred per cent dan mengeluarkan perkataan yang united in rejecting the Act that has sangat menyayatkan hati atau pun been perpetrated by the Philippine menyakitkan hati Kerajaan dan seluroh Government. Sir, that statement coming 2593 17 OKTOBER 1968 2594 from a very democratic House of to defend the territorial sovereignty of Representatives, I think, is an import­ Malaysia but really to defend the right ant one because, Sir, under your and principle and the meaning of chairmanship you have seen this House international relations in the world. We fight over details very bitterly and to are in actual fact in the forefront of the utmost expression of difference of the world battle against the Philippines' opinion. Therefore, Sir, for us to be stupidities and methods of annexation able to stand up and say that we are of other people's territory. one hundred per cent united on this So, Sir, I think there is not much occasion is something which I think is point for me to further stress to the of importance to the history of our Government what so many other nation. So, as it should be, Sir. A new Members have said already, that we nation grows in stature, in experience urge the Honourable Deputy Prime and in strength as it meets its Minister not to hold any talks with the challenges. Philippine representative. There is no need for me to say that. The House Sir, perhaps I may sound a little bit has said it clearly. But what I feel that constrained, because I think the the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister Members from the Government Benches should do now is to muster world can realise that I can take umbrage on opinion against this extremely treacher­ certain acts that they have done, but I ous and dangerous and menacing Act do not believe that on an occasion like by the Philippine House of Representa­ this the Opposition should try to even tives, and the Philippine President. Sir, shade the differences of our attitudes I have deliberately used the words towards this particular circumstance "House of Representatives and the from the point of view of the Govern­ President" because I do not believe ment. There is no doubt, Sir, that what that all the people in the Philippines, the Philippine House of Representa­ all Filipinos, can really seriously tives and the Philippine President have sympathise with such an infantile and done is completely and totally unac­ stupid Act. However, Sir, we have to ceptable in international practice. accept the circumstances as they have arisen. What is the worst? Sir, Asia is a very fertile part of the world and the nascent nations in Asia Sir, in the immediate situation the certainly have provided the world with worst could be that President Marcos new ideas, and President Marcos, his does not live up to his words, and he party in the House of Representatives has given us sufficient evidence that his and the House of Representatives in the words are not to be held with any Philippines have certainly created a gravity at all. It is true that when he precedent in the world which, if signed the assent or the passage of the accepted at all by anyone, by any other Bill by the House of Representatives nation, would be dangerous, not only to he did make a note, which was pointed Malaysia but to the rest of the world; out by our Honourable Prime Minister, I mean, virtually if we allow this Act to that there was no intention to carry go by unchallenged here in Malaysia, out the purposes of the Act by force there is nothing to prevent the House of of arms. Sir, if we are beguiled into Representatives in the Philippines, believing this opinion, having heard under the instigation naturally by the what has been told us by the Honour­ party led by the President, to pass able Minister for Information and another Act of annexation, say, of a Broadcasting I think we will be fool­ territory belonging to another nation; ishly beguiled. Therefore, Sir, there is and so it would go on. So, Sir, I do no question whatsoever that so long as maintain that what we are doing in this Act exists, there is every possible this House today in rejecting the Act danger that the present tension of perpetrated by the House of Repre­ opinions and the present battle of sentatives of the Philippines and by the words can within moments be trans­ President of the Philippines is not only lated into an actual battle of arms. 2595 17 OKTOBER 1968 2596

Sir, in this House we have heard the challenge of Tun Mustapha, and sufficient protestations from every part we are in the soup. Therefore, our pre- of this House, representing every part pardness, Sir, is not only of possible of Malaysia, from Perlis right down to immediate open hostilities but also for Sabah, that if it comes to not just a hostilities at any time until this Act is battle of words but a battle of arms, removed. Malaysia—the Malaysian people—are ready. I hope, Sir, that the Government Sir, we do not know how long it will will make it its point, its immediate take for the Philippine people to realise duty, to ensure that when the Malaysian the iniquity of the Act that has been people take up arms to defend Malay­ perpetrated by their representatives and sian territory and sovereignty, we shall by their President. We do not know go there prepared, not only just to die how long it will be before this Act can be rescinded. But certainly, Sir, I urge but to win for what we believe is right. the Honourable Prime Minister, in his The Honourable Member for Kota Star capacity as Minister for Foreign Selatan has suggested a whole set of Affairs, to immediately bring together armaments but I am sure the Honour­ all those countries whom we in the able Minister of Defence has within course of the pursuit of our foreign his own secret list other sets of policy, which, as has been stated in this weapons. Sir, we need not go into that House is an independent foreign policy, kind of detail. of maintaining good relations with those countries who are friendly However, Sir, the worst is that this to us. This is a good time for us, Sir, Act that has been first passed by the to take a good measure of what we House of Representatives of the Philip­ mean by nations who are friendly to pines and then made into law by assent us. This is a good time, Sir, for us to by the President will remain an Act, visit all these countries and talk to will remain part of the Constitution of these countries not in terms of what the Philippines until it is changed, until we need to borrow from them, but just the people of the Philippines fully to ask them what they can really do to realise that it is to the best interests support us in what we believe to be a not only of themselves but of the world, just cause against an unjust and stupid of this region, to have good relations Act, what pressures can these friends with Malaysia, to follow the right and of ours bring to bear upon the Philip­ proper international practice, and not pine nation to amend and rescind an to attempt stupid, illegal annexations Act of iniquity. of other peoples territories. Until the people of the Philippines awaken to Sir, from today's newspapers, it this Act and throw out their present would appear as though that the Government and elect a new Govern­ Philippine Government is not in a ment, which can change this Act, this position to acquire arms except from Act will remain a part and constituent the United States. That is what they Act of the Philippines. Under those say at the present moment. So, Sir, we circumstances, Sir, I maintain that we certainly would hope that it will not in Malaysia cannot pretend that we take too long before the United States can ever be friendly with the Philip­ waken up from their immediate pro­ pines so long as this Act exists. There blems of Presidential election to tell is no use pretending this. There is no the Philippine Government that in so use pretending to the people that this far as their quarrel with Malaysia is is only a question of claim, this is a concerned over the Sabah claim, there question of words, because as long as will be no arms forthcoming from the this Act exists, there is nothing to United States. That, I think, would be prevent somebody else coming in, want­ an important move and an important ing his name in the Roll of History, gain by Malaysia, and I do urge the deciding to send across a brigade of Government to take steps to ensure that guerrillas across the Sulu Straits and this statement will be made by the challenge our Tun Mustapha, or accept United States. 2597 17 OKTOBER 1968 2598 Sir, I have pondered for nearly six attitudes and differences between our weeks over what made Marcos to act concept of representation and their in such a stupid way. It is true, Sir, concept of representation. that he will go down in history as one of the most vilified Presidents. But Sir, it is not our intention ever to what made him act this way? In so interfere with an internal Act passed trying to assess his intent, I must say by the House of Representatives of the that I have to state that I feel proud to Philippines. If they chose to legislate participate in today's debate in this that their Presidents should walk upside House of Representatives, in our own down with their feet upwards, that is Dewan Ra'ayat, because last August their own business. But when the our Deputy Prime Minister made a House of Representatives in the very long statement over the question Philippines passes an Act which of the claim on Sabah following the impinges upon our territory, it must Bangkok talks. In actual fact, if we in impinge upon the rights of this House. Malaysia were not so conciliatory and Therefore, I say that we in this House have every right not only to condemn if we in Malaysia had not stretched and deplore the action that has been ourselves to the fullest to try and settle taken by the Philippine House of this issue, we could have taken a debate Representatives because they were the on that occasion at the last meeting of first people who did not give us good this House and we could have certainly grace, they were the first people who passed a motion, namely, the third tried to belittle the stature and import­ paragraph of this motion, categorically ance of our House of Representatives; rejecting the Philippine claim to Sabah. and it is only this House of Represen­ The fact that we did not do so, Sir, tatives which has the right to deal with proves to the world Malaysia's deter­ the affairs of Sabah and nobody else. mination to try and settle whatever Sir, I say this because not that I agree arguments over this claim of Sabah with what had happened in the course maybe by talks and by peaceful means. of history, but this House has gone I must say that it is a matter of pride through a process where it has allowed that our country has acted with such and pushed through a motion to permit restraint and such determination to the separation of Singapore from solve problems arising between Asian Malaysia. Sir, this House has got this nations in an Asian manner by peace­ right. It was this House which also ful talks. So, Sir, the situation without passed the Bill which incorporated any doubt has been created by the Sabah, Sarawak and Singapore into Philippine House of Representatives Malaysia—it was this House. It is our passing this peculiar, iniquitious, prerogative and nobody challenged it abnormal, strange and unnatural Act. until the Philippine House of Repre­ I say this, Sir, because the Assistant sentatives chose to challenge our right. Foreign Minister of the Philippines, So, I say that it is within our purview Mr Ingles, has stated today that we are to deplore the action that has been the people now telling our Deputy taken by the Philippine House of Prime Minister not to have any talks Representatives. I do hope that what­ with double-tongue Ramos, that we ever friends that we have amongst the are the people stopping the normal Philippine people will hear us and flow of talks. Sir, I say that it is not appreciate us and try to change their we in this House who have stopped this House of Representatives and rescind dialogue between the Philippines and this iniquitous Act. ourselves but the Members of the House of Representatives of the Philip­ Sir, I would like to end up what 1 pines when they passed the iniquitous have to say by just asking the Govern­ Bill annexing Sabah by legislation. ment in more definite terms to imme­ Under those circumstances, Sir, I feel diately establish a call-up and the that the challenge not only lies on establishment of a National Volunteer Ministerial level, governmental level, Reserve. In the course of five years, but there is also now a challenge of our country has had its ups and downs 2599 17 OKTOBER 1968 2600 in so far as confrontation is concerned put for a shot put, we shoot directly in and now the illegal annexation is con­ the target, the more certain this country cerned. Our expenditure in this country will be able to defend itself. has also gone up unnecessarily because we, first of all, built up forces and then Sir, I would like to propose under at the end of confrontation we demo­ Standing Rules and Orders 33 (4) the bilised forces. Sir, I think in view of following amendment to the Motion the fact that the worst is likely to last standing in the name of the Honour­ able Prime Minister which I have a long time, certainly as long as this every reason to believe will be accept­ Act remains as a constituent Act of the able to the Government: under para 2 Philippine Government, then I think of the Motion which reads, this country must be fully prepared and if the Government accepts all the "This act therefore impinges upon support that has been given to it from the territorial integrity and sovereignty every quarter in this House, I hope of Malaysia. It is illegal and therefore that the Government will waste no this House declares . . . .", I propose time to mobilise our defence forces and that we delete the words "declares to create a National Volunteer Reserve that" and insert the word "deplores"; immediately. and then after the words "the said Act" and before the words "is null and Sir, once this Motion goes through, void" insert the following words "and then the relationship between ourselves declares that the said Act is null and and the Philippines as friendly nations void in accordance with international will end. They believe in one way of practice." Therefore, Sir, the proposed doing things. We believe in retaining amendment would really concern para our sovereign rights and our territorial 2 of the Motion, which will then read, rights. There is no compromise. And "This Act therefore impinges upon the the only way that we can ensure what territorial integrity and sovereignty of we protest to be true and right is for Malaysia. It is illegal and therefore ourselves to be ready to defend what this House deplores the annexation of we believe to be right and true, and Sabah under the said Act and declares only the Government can give us the that the said Act is null and void in sinews to make us defend what we accordance with international prac­ believe in. tice." Sir, I hope that I have made it clear that we in this House have every So, Sir, I hope that it will not be right to consider that the Act perpe­ long before this House meets again and trated in the House of Representatives the Government presents us with of the Philippines in the light of definite plans of action as to what we international practice must be null and should do. Sir, that is the worst that void and be much deplored. we must expect. This is, I hope, the last act of the Manila Accord. I have Tuan Khoo Peng Loong (Sarawak): been known to have been a critic of Sir, I rise to second the amendment the Manila Accord from the very first proposed by the Honourable Member day it was announced in the papers, for Tanjong. This amendment will an Accord which was meaningless, an reflect much better the sentiments and Accord which would bring trouble to feelings which have been expressed by Malaysia. And in the course of years, so many Honourable Members during since 1962 to now, as a matter of fact the past two days on the debate on I would not have re-entered the the Motion. Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not political arena had it not been for the wish to repeat what has already been Maphilindo concept, the Manila said by others in the course of the Accord. But since then, Sir, Malaysia debate. It seems to me that in view has passed through crisis after crisis. I of the latest developments which have hope, Sir, that this last crisis, no matter arisen by Ramos bringing the Sabah how long it may be, will be the last issue before the United Nations, it immediate crisis that we will have to looks futile even for the Honourable face. But whatever it is, Sir, the lesson Deputy Prime Minister to go to Tokyo that we must take is that the less we to try and patch up things between the 2601 17 OKTOBER 1968 2602 two countries. Mr Speaker, Sir, my them of their rights, and to mismanage. colleague from Sarawak has already Once a nation is mismanaged from stated in no uncertain terms within, they need an external focus to the stand of our party in this issue. divert the attention of the people, and We fully support the Government and so we had confrontation—in the first the people of Sabah in resisting this instance from Soekarno—and they had preposterous action by the Philippines to pick on us. Why? I ask myself this Government in passing the Bill to question. In an area in which there are annex Sabah and by President Marcos many nations and in which many of in giving his assent to the Bill. Sir, I these nations mismanaged their own beg to second the amendment. affairs, the existence of a stable, pro­ gressive, well-run nation in which plan­ Menteri Kerja Raya, Pos dan Tali- ning goes on apace and the people rise kom (Tun V. T. Sambanthan) (dengan up in stature, economically, politically, izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the and even spiritually, this sort of Prime Minister, I have pleasure in development is like a red rag, and a accepting this amendment proposed badly developed nation cannot face it. by the Honourable Member. In doing They think that the existence of a stable so, I would also wish to welcome the Malaysia is a menace to them, because fact that in this debate over the past the people within that nation do travel, few days, we have seen how the whole and whenever they come to Kuala House has risen as one man to con­ Lumpur, or go right round this country, demn the treacherous act of the and they see the stability that prevails Philippines, and I am sure that this here, the smiling faces of the people, act of the Parliament is reflected in the the good clothes they wear, the schools feelings of the people. We of Malaysia, that are now being built in abundance, of course, have been free now for the hospitals that have developed, twelve years, and within these twelve these things present a red rag to them, years we have tried our best to utilise because they show up the fact that the opportunity of peace and freedom the very leadership in that country has for building up the very elements of been guilty of the sins of non-commis­ what a nation should be built upon. sion and omission, of mismanagement. We have utilised our time and our So, we had Soekarno, in the first ins­ energy to providing the people the tance, saying that he would break up wherewithal, to get for them more and destroy this nation. But, then, Sir, schools and hospitals, more employ­ dictatorships live for a time and the ment opportunities, and the things people ultimately assert themselves. freedom imposes on us the duty to build this nation. Long ago and I must refer to Dee- pavali, for Deepavali is on us on Sir, it is scarcely twenty years, two Monday, Deepavali celebrates the decades, since the South East Asian passing away of Narakasura. Naraka- region became free from the yoke of sura, you might remember was an colonialism. During this period of ASURA, one who was a dictator of twenty years, many of these nations those days, destroying people, killing had a chance, each one to build for them, doing all sorts of wrong things— itself that type of development and a rakshasaa, I should call him—and progress which the leadership of the then he was ultimately beaten by the country was able to give to that Lord and he made as a last dying nation, and yet we have found that request, recognising that he had caused during this brief period of twenty so much of difficulties and suffering years and twenty years is hardly a to the people, that the day of his moment in the span of history—some death should be recognised as a day of the nations which obtained freedom of deliverance of freedom and democ­ found that the leadership of these racy for the people, and so we cele­ nations utilised that opportunity, for brate Deepavali. For many years now, self-aggrandisement, to create dictator­ every Deepavali, we have had occasion ship, to delude the people, to cheat to be happy at the thought that which 2603 17 OCTOBER 1968 2604 ever dictator which ever Narakasura want to know what is happening. We comes and attacks us we have do not really want your territory but triumphed and Narakasura of the we think this must be solved", and then present as of the past has gone away. we find that the tempo has been built up slowly but surely—a soft word here, Now, Sir, we have coming on to us a smooth word there, oily, suave, this new Narakasura, President trying to change us into a situation Marcos, we call him. He took on wherein they think we will trust them himself the task of deciding that he fully. Fortunately, for us they did not should have certain ambitions, and not have the patience to wait. They were having geared himself to the objective also in a hurry for the pressures of building up his nation as he ought within the Philippines are building up. to, and we know the amount of wrong How long can they hold the people things that go on in the Philippines, down? And so the easiest thing here we know how the people have got to is to create the Sabah issue, buzz our obtain a higher standard of living, how boats, maybe some one would shoot they have to have more schools, more at a plane, create an incident, create hospitals, more land development an emergency in the Philippines, and schemes, more social security schemes; maybe a president can be elected a none of these had been done in proper second time—not of course on his own measure; and so not having done all merit, for if there be a man of merit, these, President Marcos and the he does not need to do these things. If leadership feel that the easiest course he had done for the people what they would be to create an external focus. want, I suppose that re-election will What easier external focus than Sabah happen automatically. which they claim to be theirs? By the same principle, I suppose, Kedah So, Sir, we are in the most unenvi­ could claim Penang, Thailand could able position of having committed claim Kedah, the Sultan of Brunei the sin of running our Government could claim Sabah and Sarawak and well, for this I suppose is a sin part of the Philippines, and a lot of amongst the jealous marauders lurking other persons could claim a lot of around every corner, waiting for the other things. I could claim some­ chance to pounce on us, just as a body's wife just to be going for an pretty girl walking in a lane has, for affadavit in a court of law. (Laughter) the sin of being pretty, to be in cons­ That is what Marcos has done. It is as tant fear in a nation in which rogues stupid as all that, and yet in interna­ abound or may be the ardent lovers tional affairs, how could one nation abound whichever way you look at it. take on itself this task and arrogate So, we, as a nation, of ten million have itself this right? Years ago, we thought, got to be careful of the future. Yester­ when we saw the leadership of the day, it was Soekarno; today it is Philippines, that there was a degree of Marcos; tomorrow we do not know sophistication in them, but we did not who. As I said our stability, the know that behind the finesse of the development pattern, the development sophistication, there was the velvet ratio, the development of our nation, glove of treachery—treachery deep these things happen to be a red rag to within. those who have not done their job well. Ever since this episode started, we have seen how, having started the Sir, we have got to be careful and I training at Corregidor, he chose to feel that even if this trouble ends, if accept and come here as guest of His we want to believe and have faith in Majesty the King, how he wanted to the democracy which we hold dear, if be feted by us, and all the time we think we want peace, it is not enough treachery was behind him—the Corre­ to want peace. When Soekarno started gidor training was going on. Then, if his confrontation against us he wanted you look at the papers, time after time to do it. What did we have, a few twin they have used placatory words saying, pioneers, the maximum speed of which "We do not really mean it. We just I am told was less than my Lancia 2605 17 OKTOBER 1968 2606 Flemina—so my colleagues in the peace. That is why Herr Hitler even in Cabinet tell me. What do you do with his madness, megalomania, did not these? We had a few boats, maximum attack Sweden; neither did the speed, 8 or 10 knots, and a few other Russians. We are 10 million, more in things which we call a navy because population; we are big enough; only we felt we were peacefully inclined; as we have got to remember to be such we do not need any army; we resolute in our faith in recognising do not need a big air force; we do not that desire for peace is a subjective need a navy; we do not need these desire. And subjective desire is not things; but I think history has shown enough. Objectively, we have got to in the past in other countries that it have enough strength to safeguard that is not enough to be peacefully inclined. peace. We have to have the mettle and the strength to safeguard and defend that Sir, the Filipino action is a passing peace. phase. They can do nothing to our territory; they cannot take even an The Honourable the Member for inch or even a millimetre of our Tanjong said just now of an Asian territory. But after that others might way. I do not know what is an Asian come and we have to be one in this to way. The history of Asia is as full of organise ourselves, to be prepared to marauders and predators as the history get the money and spend that money of Europe. to be strong, so that the peace which we hold dear will be always with us. That If you speak of the culture and the duty, at least, we owe to our children civilisation of Asia—Yes; Buddha, the and their children. If we do this, then Vedas and Upanishads, all these great the future will be well with us; or else, people—Yes; but how far have we as I said, like the pretty maiden going followed them? The Christ? I am told around in a deserted alley in which that the leadership of the Philippines there are various types of individuals, is Roman Catholic, but what has that anything can happen—and the shape got to do with what they are doing today? Religion has nothing to do of the Peninsula is somewhat like a with all this and the history of Asia pretty maiden. So, the Peninsula and has been a history as bad as any other Sabah and Sarawak brought together continent in treachery, in all the arts by historical forces, brought together of war. So, whether we live in Asia maybe by God, let them be together or in Europe, we have to be armed. and let no man try to break asunder what has been brought together. For Sir, about three weeks ago I had been if he tries, he will suffer. I do not to a little country of seven million think we will suffer. Every act brings people, set on the north-west corner this nation together ever more, and of the Euro-Asian mainland, while President Marcos, I am sure, will find we are set on the south-east corner that Narakasuras of old and he, of the same mainland. This country they have common things, and we has not had a war for 150 years and shall, maybe Deepavalis later, cele­ incidentally no strike for 25 years, brate the fact that the Philippines issue which is even more surprising. I looked is no more with us. But they have to into this and I recognised that they learn it the hard way—how it is, I do have today possibly the third or fourth not know; maybe the people of the largest air force in Europe, a powerful Philippines with whom we have no army and powerful fire power—I refer quarrel will teach their leadership that to Sweden. They were not invaded for lesson. The people of the Philippines many, many years—never, I think, in and us, we have many things in their history. Before the 150 years, common, in terms of culture and in they were the predators of Europe, I terms of various things; the only am told. But once they started settling difference is that they have had the down in their country, they recognised misfortune of having the wrong type that if they wanted peace, they have of leadership. In this, of course, we to have an army and an air force have to see that we do not get our­ powerful enough to safeguard that selves provoked into doing anything 2607 17 OKTOBER 1968 2608 wrong, provoked into taking a step they may deem fit to deal with this which we need not take. Till now we Fillipino Congressional Annexation Act have been rather careful in every step which outraged our national sove­ that we took, we have been careful to reignty and integrity. Through the will see that we do not overstep the limit, and solidarity of our Malaysian people, and I think with the Prime Minister also with the support of our Allies, we as the leader and the Deputy Prime have survived the critical periods of the Minister we can be sure that we will building of our nation. We have sur­ always step warily and carefully. vived 12 years of Emergency, three Thank you, Sir (Applause). years of Indonesia confrontation, and even though in this House we are no Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Pindaan yang warhawks but in the interests of de­ di-shorkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat fending our national sovereignty and dari Tanjong itu yang tidak berapa integrity, I would join in appealing to banyak bedza-nya daripada usul yang asal itu, saya mendapat kenyataan di- Yang Amat Berhormat Tun Abdul persetujui oleh penchadang sendiri. Razak, our Deputy Prime Minister, not Tetapi, saya hendak bertanya juga to attend the meeting with Mr Ramos, kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat sa- in view of the Filipino inconsistency kalian sa-masa kita membentangkan and until the claim is dropped entirely, usul ini pada penghabisan-nya. as we do not want to be a part of Marcos' political chess move. Persidangan ini di-tempohkan sa- lama 20 minit. Ex-President Soekarno confronted us very vigorously for three years, but in Persidangan di-tempohkan pada President Suharto and the Indonesian pukul 11.35 pagi. people we have found a friend and Persidangan di-sambong sa-mula brothers. Perhaps, would it not be pada pukul 12.00 tengah hari. better for us to watch and to be vigilant until after the Philippines' electioneer­ (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan ing politiking to die down and then we Meshuarat) may find another better statesman in the new President, other than President Persidangan di-sambong sa-mula pada Marcos, to call as a real friend? It is pukul 12 tengah hari. said to be making history in the (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan Philippines for a President to be elected Meshuarat) for a second term. Therefore, it is their right to plan their campaigning, but Tuan Geh Chong Keat (Pulau Pinang certainly it is not their right or prero­ Utara): Rises. gative to interfere with the democratic freedom of our 600,000 Sabahans and Tuan Yang di-Pertua: You are at their right of self-determination. The liberty to speak on the amendment as Filipinos know that Sabah belongs to well as on the substantive motion. the Sabahans, and the Sabahans had Tuan Geh Chong Keat (dengan izin): self-determination several times and Thank you, Sir. Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise they had chosen to be part of Malaysia. to support this Motion declaring the The world and many nations are asking Philippine Congressional Sabah Annex­ what right has the Philippine Congress ation Act as null and void. In support­ to legislate for a people that have never ing this Motion, I must reiterate the been recognised as any part of the pledge and confidence of my Penang Philippines. In short, the claim is Utara constituents and our explicit ridiculous in all legal and moral faith and confidence in our beloved aspects. The claim has now developed Perdana Menteri, Tunku Abdul into a main feature of comedy because Rahman Putra Al-Haj, and Yang of the statements and counter state­ Amat Berhormat Tun Haji Abdul ments by President Marcos and Ramos Razak, Timbalan Perdana Menteri, which have developed into a mixture with full mandate in whatever action of fantasy, fallacy and fiction, as 2609 17 OKTOBER 1968 2610 expounded by our United Nations tioned the sincerity of President Representative, Mr R. Ramani, in Marcos on his personal interest in the rejecting the Philippine claim to Sabah. claim. We are indeed lucky that world opinion is in our favour because of the able In Josefina Constantino of Manila statesmanship of our Prime Minister Chronicle, we see men of courage and his able Deputy. The claim has in Philippines, bearing in mind been described by many world leaders that there are pistol-packing teddyboys as, and to quote a few: at the service of the vicious and ambitious politicians in Philippines, "Old-fashioned land grabbing, even if it is done;" especially through our experience during our previous visit when we saw "To play dangerous forms of mini-imperia­ lism against neighbours;" placards everywhere at the night clubs "A shocking act of irresponsibility;" and the cinemas requesting patrons to put their pistols and small arms for "Marcos has come perilously close to striking a death blow to regional co-operation safe-keeping at the theatres or with in the area." the managements. Therefore, we can realise the position of lawlessnes in the Our stand is clear and is fully sup­ Philippines, especially in Manila. Sir, ported by many nations and immediate I must respect this Constantino for his neighbouring countries. We have to admission, and I wish to quote: carry on with our defence planning "Sabah belongs to the Sabahans and if and fortifications to protect our citizens Sabah persists in wanting to be part of from foreign attack or piracy, which­ Malaysia, that is her right. We have no right ever form the Philippines may think of to legislate for her people that has never or act. After all, anything is possible recognised us as part of them." in the Philippines. We have heard from Therefore, can President Marcos match newspaper report that even the Mayor his fairness and sincerity? Can Pre­ can supersede the order of the Presi­ sident Marcos accept his challenge—the dent. An acting Mayor can even super­ challenge of a Philippine citizen—that sede the office of the Mayor by electing the Act for the extension of the another Chief Police Officer. Therefore, Philippine territorial claim is ridiculous, in the City of Manila, they have two in that I quote: C.P.Os (Chief Police Officers). There­ "This is one issue on which the Congress fore, we must also help the Philippines, does not represent the people's views and especially the Southerners, by streng­ feelings. If a plebiscite on this issue is held thening the power of our Radio to determine whether we Filipinos want to annex Sabah, this Act of Congress will be Malaysia at Sabah and to facilitate the repudiated by the people." setting up of Television Malaysia in Sabah in order to help the Southern Sir, this will show that the ordinary Island Filipinos, to educate them to man in the street, the ordinary citizen, know what is going on in the countries has basic wisdom, and they do not see around them, and also bearing in mind eye to eye with either President Marcos the too many commercials they have or his Congress in passing this Annexa­ in Television Philippines. tion Bill. We are also encouraged to learn that Then, another point of interest is many of the statesmen do not agree the question asked by the above men­ with the Philippines Congressional Act tioned gentleman—will President and the people too do not agree with Marcos answer his question—i.e. is the it. An Opposition Senator, Majno Philippines prepared to go to war with Aquino, compared President Marcos Malaysia, bearing in mind the Malay­ with former President Soekarno of sian problems and the Malaysian legiti­ Indonesia in his handling of the Sabah mate right to defend her people's choice dispute with Malaysia. Former Senator and her people's freedom? Sir, his Lorenzo Sumulong offered dissenting accusation is that the Act of Philippine opinions on Sabah, and the weakness of Congress has been ridiculous and even their claim to Sabah, and even ques­ dangerous. 2611 17 OKTOBER 1968 2612

We in Malaysia fully endorse and Tuan Yang di-Pertua, menurut have explicit faith in our Prime sejarah bahawa bangsa Philipina ada- Minister and his Deputy and their lah rumpun keturunan Melayu yang statemanship and the line they may berada di-seluroh Alam Melayu pada take in the Sabah claim and we are masa yang lalu dan bangsa ini pada prepared to rough it up with them. mula-nya berasal dari bangsa yang Mr Speaker, Sir, I am trying to bersopan santun, lemah lembut, ber- recollect the day when, with other tolak ansor dan tidak ingin untok Members of Parliament in this House, berperang atau merampas negara orang I visited the monuments in Manila lain. Tetapi, alang-kah malang-nya, and reading over the history of their bangsa yang baik budi itu telah di- freedom fighters. I am now wondering kachokkan oleh penjajahan dan di- whether all these worthy sons of the chorakkan oleh pemimpin2 mereka itu Philippines died in vain for a free menjadikan bangsa itu sekarang ini democratic country during the several suatu bangsa yang berlainan dengan wars that the Filipinos had experienced. chorak sejarah yang lalu. Dan dengan Would they turn in their resting place perbuatan Marcos ada-lah terang men- to learn that one of their sons is chunting arang di-seluroh bangsa betraying their cause in the name of PhiUpina yang baik budi itu sa-olah2 a free democratic country by land bangsa Philipina sekarang ini suatu grabbing and outraging the sovereignty bangsa yang kejam, biadab dan and integrity of another friendly penyamun di-abad yang kedua puloh country and denying the right of self- ini, dan dengan itu hilang-lah kesusi- determination of 600,000 Sabahans in laan dan adat-istiadat yang lama yang contravention of the United Nations menjadikan satu bangsa yang di- Charter? pandang rendah oleh dunia sekarang ini. Kita memang-lah tidak marah Sir, in conclusion, I would again kapada bangsa Philipina, tetapi kita re-affirm my constituents' confidence amat kesal terhadap pemimpin yang and pledge our support to our Prime biadab dan saya perchaya ra'ayat yang Minister and Deputy Prime Minister terbanyak sa-chara langsong tidak- and I appeal to Tun Razak not to meet menyokong tindak-tandok Marcos itu Mr Ramos unless the Sabah claim is termasok umat Islam di-Selatan declared null and void by the Philip­ Philipina sendiri. pines. Thank you. Yang Teramat Mulia Tunku dan 2 Tuan Othman bin Abdullah (Perlis seluroh orang yang mengkaji sejarah Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya Malaysia, sejarah Tanah Melayu, ada-lah bersama2 dengan rakan2 saya mengetahui bahawa pada masa yang bangun menyokong usul yang di- lalu wilayah Malaysia yang di-tentukan bentangkan oleh Yang Teramat Mulia oleh sejarah maseh banyak lagi Tunku Perdana Menteri di-atas tinda- termasok sejarah Kedah sendiri, Yang kan President Marcos dari Philipina. Teramat Mulia Tunku sendiri menjadi Usui ini memang sudah kena pada warith-nya sendiri, tetapi oleh sebab memandang kapada kesusilaan, kapada tempat dan masa-nya dan dengan usul sopan santun, tolak ansor dan kerja- ini di-binchangkan bahawa dapat-lah sama di-seluroh dunia ini, maka dengan Malaysia memberitahu dunia di-atas sebab itu-lah wilayah Tunku sendiri tindakan Philipina yang biadab yang menjadi warith-nya tidak langsong merampas hak mutlak orang lain, berbangkit di-mana2 juga dan pada ia-itu hak mutlak Malaysia sendiri bila2 masa juga pun dan keadaan ini Dan dari usul ini dapat-lah dunia telah berlaku dengan bagitu harmoni memahami dan mengetahui di-atas dan kerjasama yang bagitu rapat sa- tikad ra'ayat Malaysia bagi memper- hingga kita dapat menghapuskan segala tahankan negara-nya ia-itu wilayah-nya da'ayah2, segala sabversif2 dan sa- yang di-rampas oleh Marcos ia-itu bagai-nya daripada wilayah2 yang di- lanun Philipina di-abad yang kedua tentukan oleh sejarah itu. Dan hal ini puloh ini. harus-lah di-berithahu kapada Philipina 2613 17 OKTOBER 1968 2614

bahawa kedudokan dunia sekarang ini terang2 menolak segala kenyataan2 yang telah pun berubah dengan keadaan di-berikan oleh Malaysia sendiri. Dan negeri dan bangsa yang bersendirian. ada pula pehak2 hero-nya ia-itu gang­ ster mereka itu memberi kenyataan Dato' Yang di-Pertua, dengan ke­ 2 yang silap terhadap kedudokan suchi adaan yang bagini kita harus-lah Sabah hak Malaysia dan dengan demi­ mengingatkan kapada ra'ayat Philipina kian saya juga beserta dengan kawan2 sendiri bahawa sa-kira-nya mereka saya bahawa tidak-lah ada guna-nya ingin membasoh arang di-muka itu Tunku Perdana Menteri atau pun yang di-chonteng oleh Marcos sendiri Kerajaan Malaysia memberi kebenaran maka ini-lah masa dan tempat-nya dan atau memberi izin kapada Yang Amat ini-lah ketika-nya mereka menuntut 2 Berhormat Timbalan Perdana Menteri pembelaan. Ubah pemimpin mereka untok meneruskan rundingan dengan dengan segera-nya saperti yang di- mereka itu tetapi sa-balek-nya hendak- jalankan tegas oleh Indonesia kapada 2 lah di-beri tahu kapada Mahkamah Sukarno sendiri. Kapada penuntut Dunia supaya perkara ini dapat di- di-Philipina yang menghinakan Tunku, selesaikan dengan sa-chara aman dan kita patut memberi ingatan dan amaran damai. Dan kalau sa-kira-nya Philipina kapada mereka bahawa perbuatan 2 maseh lagi berdegil mengakui Sabah mereka itu ada-lah bodoh dan sia dan hak-nya sendiri maka hendak-lah di- di-ketawakan oleh dunia. Apa-kah beri tahu kapada seluroh negara2 yang guna-nya menyokong pemimpin2 dan 2 membangun sekarang ini supaya meng- kunchu -nya yang demikian rupa yang kaji sa-mula pengiktirafan terhadap khianat dan kejam dan sa-kira-nya Filipina yang merampas hak orang mereka itu tidak mengambil tindakan lain. Jadi dengan tindakan ini, saya terhadap President mereka maka perchaya boleh-lah di-anggap satu seluroh dunia dan seluroh keturunan tindakan yang lebeh bijaksana yang Philipina akan mengutok mereka dan dapat memberi kesan ini kapada mereka harus menerima balasan pada seluroh dunia. masa yang akan datang. Dan bagi pehak Malaysia kita sendiri Sabah ada-lah hak mutlak Malaysia oleh sebab ra'ayat2 seluroh Malaysia yang merdeka dan ma'amor dan kalau 2 ini ia-itu dari Perlis sampai ka-Sabah benar Philipina berhak di-atas Sabah semua-nya bertikad penoh untok mem- kerana apa dan mengapa mereka itu pertahankan Malaysia, maka saya tidak menuntut daripada Kerajaan berseru kapada Kerajaan Malaysia British pada masa yang lalu, ia-itu supaya menubohkan kembali Pasokan2 sa-belum Sabah merdeka di-dalam Sukarela, Tentera2 Wataniah dan sa- Malaysia. bagai-nya supaya bersiap sedia meng- Ini saya mengingatkan satu cherita, hadapi kemungkinan. cherita lawak2 ia-itu sa-telah sa-saorang itu, Philipina itu, memutuskan per- Bagi pehak ra'ayat Perlis telah pun berikrar untok memberi sokongan sa- tunangan-nya dengan Sabah dan akhir- 2 nya telah berkahwin dengan Tunku penoh -nya, maka pada hari ini saya maka dia nampak elok, make-up bagus ulangi sa-kali lagi supaya kita dapat dia pun terus mengaku hak dia sendiri menubohkan segera dan dapat kita pula. Jadi ini terpulang-lah kapada bersiap sedia dan pehak ra'ayat negeri Perlis juga sanggup berjuang ber- Tunku sendiri apa-kah tindakan yang 2 akan di-ambil sa-telah Sabah berkah­ habis an sa-hingga ka-titis darah yang win dengan Tunku dan berkahwin akhir untok membantu Sabah khas-nya dengan Malaysia (Ketawa). dan pertahankan kesuchian dan ke- laulatan Malaysia am-nya. Dato' Yang di-Pertua, Marcos dan kunchu2-nya bukan makhlok yang Tuan Toh Theam Hock (Kampar) boleh di-bawa berunding di-mana2 (dengan izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not juga. Saperti chontoh yang telah kita wish to take too much of your time adakan, Kerajaan kita adakan per- except to say that our beloved Prime undingan di-Bangkok baharu2 ini yang Minister is handling the Sabah issue 2615 17 OKTOBER 1968 2616 like a great statesman, unlike President his adventure. As far as I know, in the Marcos, who is uncouth, arrogant, and Philippines, the situation there is boiling badly brought up. It shows that among the workers and the intellectuals. President Marcos is still behaving like In fact, Mr Speaker, Sir, the situation an angry young man and that whatever in the Philippines is ripe for a revolu­ he wants in life he will grab. Indeed, tion and President Marcos knows this Mr Speaker, Sir, the actions of Presi­ too well. If President Marcos hopes to dent Marcos do not reflect the true bring down Tunku Abdul Rahman, it virtues of an Asian leader or statesman. is he, President Marcos, who will President Marcos does not have one finally be tried for war crimes, not only iota of Asian blood in him, and that is, against Malaysia but against the Phili­ the spirit of live and let live. By his ppine nation. President Marcos is too action in grabbing Sabah like a pirate, well educated not to know how Hitler President Marcos is nothing but a died, how Himmler died, and how Tojo living monument of European adultery met his fate by hanging. So, I won't in the East. He has none of the virtues be surprised if President Marcos goes of an Asian leader. That is why he is so the same way as Hitler, Himmler, arrogant and so pompous and brazen in Mussolini and Tojo. President Marcos trying to seize Sabah. is trying to find an excuse to push his people to war, but I am confident that I don't know how far it is true, Mr in the end President Marcos will be Speaker, Sir, that when President wiped off by his own people. This is the Marcos visited Malaysia he did put on fate that awaits President Marcos. Pre­ the airs of a little pompous Hitler, sident Marcos can boast that he has trying to show off how great a leader missiles supplied to him by the United he is and coming from a great country. States. Malaysia will not be frightened I am told that he even showed dis­ by such boastful talk. We know for a courtesies to some of our leaders by fact that if the United States Govern­ acting in a manner unbecoming of a ment does not give foreign aid or extor­ Head of a State. This only shows his tion money to the Philippine Govern­ weakness and not his greatness. From ment, President Marcos and his what I can understand, people like company will not last more than President Marcos suffer from inferiority seventy-two hours. The whole world complex, especially when people like knows that the Philippines is nothing President Marcos do not have the but the lackey of the United States and virtues of either the Easterners or the where is President Marcos' so-called Westerners. I hate to say, Mr Speaker, national pride and honour? It is people Sir, that people like President Marcos like President Marcos who are shame­ have nothing but the vices of the East less, who talk big and then extort and the West. That is why President money under the guise of foreign aid. Marcos and company are acting like crazy, half-mad people. To-day they President Marcos and company talk talk of one thing, the next morning of taking Malaysia in seventy-two hours. something else. It is the duty of every All I can say, Mr Speaker, Sir, to Malaysian to leave this issue of Sabah President Marcos and his general staff in the hands of the Prime Minister who is, try and land your troops or your can handle it well for Malaysia with pirates in Malaysia and we know what dignity and victory. If President Marcos to do with them. Thank you, Sir. thinks that Tunku Abdul Rahman is like Chamberlain going to Munich to Perdana Menteri: Dato' Speaker, sign appeasement with him, President saya pohon kebenaran hendak men- Marcos is half-mad. jawab segala2 yang telah terbit di-dalam I can only say that I hope that Pre­ debate di-dalam Rumah ini dan saya pohon izin supaya dapat saya jawab sident Marcos will not end up like 2 Hideki Tojo, who was hanged for war kapada orang yang berchakap dalam crimes. I hope President Marcos will bahasa Inggeris menjawab dalam ba- not be tried for crimes for bringing the hasa Inggeris, dalam Bahasa Kebang- Philippine nation close to disaster by saan, jawab dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan. 2617 17 OKTOBER 1968 2618 Jadi saya pohon mulakan jawapan saya a constituent state, as otherwise the di-dalam Rumah ini. meeting would not take place. (Applause). Therefore, if it is to take Mr Speaker, Sir, this is one occasion place, the Philippines must clear this that makes my heart really happy to point. So, those who have opposed the find that all Members in this House, meeting from taking place between Mr irrespective of whatever affiliation they Ramos have no need to fear. The posi­ belong, gave a full-hearted and unani­ tion has been clearly stated by the mous support to the Government in a Deputy Prime Minister, which I take moment when we are facing a very pleasure to reaffirm it in this House serious crisis indeed. This is as it should today. (Applause). be, as we are the victims of political aggression or action by our neighbour There are also among our members in annexing our territory not by force who oppose the meeting. In any case, of arms but by home-made law. as I said, or it has been said about me, Now, having annexed Sabah by this that I am a peaceful man, that I would so-called home-made law, they went travel the last mile, in order to make further and took the matter to the peace, and that is one thing which 1 United Nations, where the Philippines would like to do if it is possible to do Foreign Secretary made the Philippines and I would say, in order to reduce the stand quite clear and we are all aware tension, I am prepared to meet the of what had been said there. However, President, subject of course to the con­ I would like to quote for your informa­ dition that they must recognise me as tion again the relevant part of his speech the Prime Minister of Malaysia and that which part really hurts us to the core. includes Sabah, (Applause) as otherwise I quote: there is no point in having this meeting. "In a world sorely beset by the doctrine In the course of the debate, the Hon­ and the practice of violence, the Philippines dares to assert in this world forum its ourable Members of the Opposition in unshakeable faith in the rule of law its firm giving us support find, of course, room belief in peace through law. If the United to differ. That is, I suppose, as it should Nations is to remain faithful to the Charter be, because they are Members of the and true to its vocation, it has an inescap­ able duty to encourage and support our Opposition. Even though they agree earnest appeal to the rule of law. Until the with every word or everything that we Sabah claim is settled, pursuant to the have said and done, nevertheless they solemn undertakings of the two Govern­ feel that it is their duty to oppose and ments, I am hereby making the reservation and putting it on record that the Philippine at the same time support. However, Government cannot and does not recognise reading what is deep in their hearts, I the power, competence or authority of the thank them most gratefully for that Government of the Federation of Malaysia support they gave. (Applause). But for to represent or speak for the people and territory of Sabah, or to make any commit­ the points which they raised in opposi­ ment for them before the United Nations tion, or as a reminder, or advice to me, or any of its organs, organisations, commit­ I would like to reply to this effect. tees, agencies and conferences." The Member for Batu has suggested This is the stand that has been taken that we should have convened this by the Philippine Government and House of Parliament earlier to discuss declared in the United Nations. this particular matter, and he also Now, in view of this declaration, it suggested that we have been slow and is obvious that it has generated a lot of that we have not taken into confidence heat, in particular in this House, and in this House as we should have done in general throughout the whole length the earlier part, when the differences and breadth of Malaysia and you had first arose. To this, I have this to say, the opportunity to hear what the Deputy that perhaps the Honourable Member Prime Minister had to say about this will recall that a report was made in yesterday—that he would only meet this House by the Deputy Prime Minis­ Mr Ramos in Tokyo, if he changes his ter on the subject of his meeting with stand and accept the Deputy Prime Mr Ramos in Jakarta and, if I am not Minister of Malaysia of which Sabah is mistaken, I have had no time to go 2619 17 OKTOBER 1968 2620 through all these documents, questions Malaysia's Solidarity Consulative Com­ were raised in this House on this parti­ mittee, which was established in 1962, cular matter, and also a report was when the wishes of the people were made, I think, if I am not mistaken, to gone into very deeply and very this House on what had taken place in thoroughly by Lord Cobbold and his Bangkok when an agreement was Commission, after which there was a reached between the three nations— General Election again in 1962, when Indonesia, Philippines and ourselves. the question of whether Sabah or Members of this House had all the Sarawak wished to join Malaysia was opportunity then to suggest that we put to the people and the result was should debate in this House, to unanimous: 160 seats were won by discuss this particular matter, but parties that associated themselves with for some reasons they did not ask the Alliance and there are also those for the debate. Perhaps, they thought who are independent, who also voted there was no urgency in this matter and, for merger with Malaya and for Malay­ perhaps, there was no national crisis to sia, I cannot remember the number but justify calling the meeting of this House there were quite a few seats which were to discuss this particular matter. So, won by independents—six seats—and having let this go that far, as I said, they also expressed their wish to join the Members of the Opposition when with Malaya and for Malaysia. they finally found that a national crisis had arisen and we had occasion to call Again, the Secretary-General of the this meeting, they brought this up. But, United Nations was asked by President I lay the fault squarely on their shoul­ Soekarno and President Macapagal to ders for not having suggested and for assess the wishes of the people of Sabah not having made the demand for this and Sarawak and the result is known Government to call a meeting of this to all. I quote the portion of the report House. Now, the meeting is held, I am of the Secretary-General: glad to say that they gave us their support. "My conclusion" said the Secretary-General, "based on the findings of the Commission is that based on these counts there is no doubt There was also a suggestion that we about the wishes of the sizeable majority of should have discussed this on the Radio the peoples of these two territories to join and on the Television. There I say, in the Federation of Malaysia". again, if they felt there was no national crisis, why should we disturb the peace According to the Secretary-General and of mind of our happy citizens. We want he said it, "This fulfils the requirements to let them carry on with their little of the General Assembly Resolution happiness without being disturbed by 1541, paragraph (XV) principle 9 of things when, in the minds of the Oppo­ the Annex. As far as the principle of sition, there is no national crisis. That self-determination is concerned, it satis­ is why we did not hold a debate in this fies the Charter of the United Nations. House, nor made use of all these There is no question about that accord­ machineries to broadcast all these facts ing to the Secretary-General of the to the people in this country. United Nations himself. The Honourable Member for Ipoh, Then, at the Bangkok talks an as always, has so many things to differ Accord was reached which is known from us. So, the opportunity presented as the Bangkok Accord and according itself and he has much to say to which to this Accord, which was signed by I have these points in reply. Among the three countries or nations, Indonesia, things suggested by him was the dele­ Philippines and Malaysia, we were tion of the portion on the inalienable asked again to hold elections in both right of the people of Sabah from para­ Sabah and Sarawak in order to reassess graph 3 of the Motion, on the ground the views and re-affirm the wishes of that the Sabah people have never had the people of these two States as to the opportunity to give their views fully whether they wish to join Malaysia or which could only be assessed by a they do not want to. According to the plebiscite. Of course, he knows of the result known re-affirmation was made 2621 17 OKTOBER 1968 2622 and these are the decisions taken by this did that or did not, I do not know election. for certain, but they had apologised 1. The people of these two States and we had also apologised. However, re-affirm our unshakable faith in to try to stop them from showing their Malaysia. feeling by demonstrating their feeling is rather hard, because young men 2. We reject the Philippines claim must show their feeling and the only to Sabah—this is in Sabah not way of showing it is by demonstrating Sarawak—and we shall continue and that they did, but on the whole our revolution for progress. they did exercise restraint. This is at the last Sabah election, but we were not able to hold the Sarawak Many Honourable Members sug­ election because of the State of Emer­ gested that we should have categorically gency and I have no doubt that if an rejected the Philippine claim at the election had been held in Sarawak, the outset. I have always behaved, as I result would still have been the same. said, and you all know it, as a man So, let me tell the Honourable Member whose great ambition and object in life who brought up this subject that the is to try and preserve peace and to people of these two States had never follow the course that will lead to peace been properly interviewed and that they and, naturally, we did not reject the had never been given a real opportunity Philippine claim at the very outset. to show their wishes, let me assure the Again, our reason is that we were faced Honourable Member that to hold a with Indonesia Confrontation, it is plebiscite, as suggested by him, is not enough for us to have one enemy trying the only machinery by which you can to crush us, without having to invite assess the views and feelings of the another enemy to do the same. So, the people. There are other ways and these only course open to us is to try and other ways have all been recognised by pacify one at the expense of our pride international practice and by the United and, I suppose, our prestige. But I did Nations, that is through the process of it on my own and not on behalf of democratic elections. this Government. So, I did not, of course, reject the claim at the outset The Honourable Member also con­ or treated it with disdain. I listened to demned the students for invading the what they had to say and I tried as sanctity, as he said, of foreign soil, best as I could to humour them. when they demonstrated against the Philippines after the annexation bill Sir, it is obvious that the Honourable was passed. The Honourable Member Member for Kampar, who has spoken must understand the feeling of these just now, has ably defined or put it, loyal, patriotic, students. It is hard to though sometimes it is not always done keep them in check when they found to describe this type of person as the sovereignty and integrity of their President Marcos, but nevertheless, country had been assailed. According deep in my heart I cannot help saying to them, when the Philippines com­ that I agree with every word he has mits invasion of our sovereignty by said. I, myself, am not in a position to annexing Sabah, they feel that they say it, so I thank him at least for have a right to invade the sovereignty drawing the line to differentiate bet­ of the Philippines, at least by demons­ ween President Marcos and I, and I feel trating on the grounds of the Philip­ that is a great compliment to me. pines Embassy. Of course, it was unfortunate that they had not exercised The Honourable Member can see too more restraint and they pulled down that despite the absurdity of the claim, the flag of the Philippines, but they they have taken it to the United handed it over—I was told that they Nations. I have tried my best to bring apologised to whoever was there to about understanding between the two represent the Philippine Government. countries but, as I said, if I failed it It was also mentioned that they tram­ would not be for want of effort on my pled on the flag, but whether they part. I have done so much, and I have 2623 17 OKTOBER 1968 2624 tried to do quite a lot, because I know with them. Therefore, we have no the happiness that we in this country choice but to abrogate the anti- enjoy and the prosperity, which we smuggl;ng agreement. have achieved in this country, and it is our prayer that we should try and You have heard how they first maintain peace not only in our own refused to go because they said Sabah country but also in this region of Asia. belonged to them, and if we allowed them to remain, they will really believe The stand taken by our delegation that Sabah belongs to them. So, we or the leader of the delegation in have to ask them to leave, and again Bangkok was also mentioned. Accord­ it was suggested by my Honourable ing to the Member for Ipoh that he friend that it is a—good thing to invite, was rather arrogant, accusing Tan Sri perhaps, their men—politicians and Ghazali of being an arrogant person, leaders—to come to this country and he may look arrogant but he is not to see how well we are, how good we arrogant. {Laughter)—the first sight of are, how peaceful we are, and ask him will convey the impression that them to go and see for themselves in this is a nasty man to deal with. He has Sabah, Sarawak and elsewhere. We had been with me for all these years and been doing that all the time; we had I can say that I have been happy to been inviting the leaders from Philip­ work closely with him, but the last pines for talks with leaders, consisting thing that I would charge him with is of learned people, learned in letters, that of being arrogant; he might learned men in medicine; we had sometimes, what we might say, not invited their newsmen; we had invited exercise restraint but not arrogant. almost every Tom, Dick and Harry, {Laughter). On this occasion in a to come and see our country; and we meeting with the Philippines the poor had gone out of our way to entertain man's patience had been taxed to a and to humour them; but what we did breaking point; and, so, before it broke, not count, because when they went he had to suggest to the Philippines back they said exactly what they had delegation to go home and call an end said before they came here. So, now, if to this meeting. That is not arrogance; we invite them here what will the there was nothing that the Philippines Philippine Government say? They will could produce to substantiate their say we are trying to undermine the claim to Sabah. authority of the Philippine Government by brain-washing all these chaps whom Then, my good friend Tun Ismail we had invited here. also suggested that we might, perhaps, co-operate with the Philippines; he said Therefore, it is not a wise thing to that for the eradication of smuggling invite any Filipino to this country at we should not try to gain financially this moment, but at the same time when at the expense of our neighbour. That they have occasion to attend any con­ is exactly what we did; we agreed with ference, they are welcome to come here, the Philippines on the matter of the but to invite them, I said that would eradications of smuggling, and we be a mistake. Here, I would like to sacrificed our national dignity and repeat that we have done so many prestige to allow them to station their things to try and make peace with men in our country. But, as far as any them, but they have never showed any country with any self-respect would go, appreciation, and the best course for as I mentioned in the course of my us to take is to sit back and do nothing speech, we are not prepared to go any in the hope that one day something further than that. But did they appre­ might creep into their minds and then ciate what we did for them? The next perhaps they will then see us in a moment they went and annexed our better light. territory, and this is not the way of showing appreciation to a neighbour, As rightly said also by Members of who has gone so far and done so much this House in support of this Govern­ to try and bring about an understanding ment, one in particular from Sabah, 2625 17 OKTOBER 1968 2626 Tuan Ganing who says it like the last the enemy. I call on them, therefore, Member who spoke, President Marcos to try and study our position today. can only understand the law of the jungle, and I agree with them. The Honourable Member from S.U.P.P., while supporting the Motion The Honourable Dr Mahathir said also objected to the way the Federation that as we have always maintained we of Malaysia was formed. He suggested should be left alone to look after our that no referendum was held again, own affairs undisturbed by our neigh­ but as I have proved, it had been bours. This has all the time been held—not a referendum in the sense our policy and it has become now our that he understands it, but it is a prayer. While we have innumerable referendum within the meaning of the friends, we have also created enemies, term by the process and machinery of made enemies with those nearest to us democratic elections, which I men­ who, I suppose, are inclined to be tioned just now. There was one sporting jealous with the progress that we have remark he made, that is that all this made in this country and as has been is past, and it is his duty not to quarrel suggested by many Honourable Mem­ with Malaysia or with the Central bers, we must try and defend ourselves Government but to give the Central by getting all equipment, guns and Government all the support. So, I thank ammunitions in order to defend our­ him very much indeed for this pro­ selves when the need arises. fession of support for this country. Sir, what I would say here for the Again, before I came to this House, world to appreciate our position is this, the Honourable Member for Tanjong perhaps, Malaysia is not appreciated moved amendment to this Motion, but by some, who are not well-acquainted this amendment has not altered with our country—that Malaysia is substantially any part of the Motion probably one of the most important and I have asked my colleague to accept countries in this part of the world, the amendments, and I thank him because the Peninsula itself juts out again for the support which he gave into the sea, which divides the West us. He said, of course, according to from the East, and if Malaysia were my colleague, that he put the blame for what is happening today squarely to fall into the hands of the enemy, all on the shoulders of our adversaries, and the sea traffic will be lost, not to us that shows support from the Opposi­ alone, but to all the free nations of the tion, which is something which does world who believe in trade and com­ not often come my way. (Laughter). merce as one of the best, in order to provide not only for the well-being Sir, this debate has been really a of the people of the world but also happy one and it is one of these debates to provide for peace. So, if Malaysia that has not caused me worry but is lost at any time, it will be a severe which gives me a good deal of pleasure blow to all these nations, who at this to see how in time of trouble, our moment are sitting back and saying opponents, the Opposition, everyone nothing, doing nothing, by allowing us has come together to give their support to try and provide all the defences that and whether they like this Government we can ourselves. or not, whether they like me or not, they all are agreed that this is a time We know how concerned many when we must stand together shoulder people are on the proposal of the to shoulder to help our country. withdrawal of the British forces from this region of Asia, but serious as that Sir, I do not think I have very much may be, the other nations of the world to say, and if you will allow me must sit up and see whether a country, five minutes I can finish this. I cannot occupying such a strategically important deal with all that has been said position in this part of the world, because so much has been said and should be left open to aggression from most of them are in the same strain. I

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Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Bachok Jadi ada juga yang minta kita ini telah berkata bahawa sa-masa Tun tambahkan lebeh daripada $5,000 Abdul Razak pergi ka-Tokyo bawa- bayaran kapada warith2 Sultan Sulu. lah dia bersama, bukan-lah dia kata dia ini, tetapi bawa-Iah Opposition Ahli2 Yang Berhormat barangkali Party, tetapi saya tahu-lah Opposition telah dengar warith2 Sultan Sulu itu, dia-lah. Jadi bagaimana yang kita bahawa telah menolakkan kapada tahu tujuan-nya hendak berjumpa Philipina atas hak2-nya. Jadi kalau kita dengan Ramos itu bukan-lah tujuan- beri $5,000 kapada dia kita tambah lagi nya hendak berunding, chuma-nya $10,000 harus Philipina pula minta hendak menchari jalan bagaimana tambah sampai $10 million, $100 yang boleh saya berjumpa dengan million, kerana dia kata ini hak dia, Marcos. engkau telah setuju menambahkan, tambah-lah kapada aku. Ini-lah yang Sa-lain daripada itu harus sekarang telah berbangkit hal2 ini semua kerana ini tidak dapat Tun Abdul Razak pehak2 orang di-Philipina hendak hendak berjumpa dengan Ramos lang- menchari keuntongan juga dengan song. Jadi kalau dia sudah harap2 kerana tuntutan atas Sabah ini. hendak pergi ka-Tokyo, harapan itu tertiarap-lah. (Ketawa). Ramai Ahli2 Yang Amat Berbahagia Tun Datu Dewan ini telah menyebutkan supaya Mustapha, Ketua Menteri, Sabah, telah tidak beri Tun Abdul Razak pergi sana, beruchap sa-malam dan Ahli2 Yang itu saya sudah jawab tadi, dan ada Berhormat sakalian telah mendengar- yang mengatakan suroh kita ini pakai nya; Tan Sri Fatimah pun sudah transmitter di-Kota Kinabalu supaya berchakap tentang orang2 perempuan kedengaran sampai Philipina supaya dan laki2 semua sudah berchakap orang2 Philipina dapat dengar segala2 (Ketawa). Sekarang pukul satu lebeh, yang berlaku yang mereka tidak dapat saya ingat setakat itu chukup-lah sahaja. peluang hendak mendengar-nya. Pindaan di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, Sa-bagaimana saya kata kalau kita dan di-setujukan. hendak buat sa-kali pun tidak boleh- lah kita hendak sebutkan di-sini. Kalau Usul sa-bagai di-pinda di-kemuka kita hendak buat pun dengan chara bagi di-putuskan, dan di-setujukan. sembunyi-lah, tetapi sekarang kita tidak ada chadangan lagi. Ada juga Di-putuskan, chadangan daripada Ahli Yang Berhor­ That this House views with grave concern mat menyuroh kita minta tolong ka­ the Philippine Act which was assented to by 2 the President of the Republic of the pada seluroh negara Islam dan di- Philippines on 1.8th September, 1968, and adakan Komanwel Islam di-sini. Jadi which Act annexed Sabah as a territory of yang ini pun hal ini tentu-lah negeri2 the Philippines. This claim is both unfounded and done without any lawful justification or Islam dalam hati-nya memberi bantuan excuse, calculated to convey to the Philippines kapada kita, tetapi tidak-lah kita a State which forms an integral part of kehendaki besar2kan perkara itu, Malaysia. chuma-nya mereka sedar bahawa kita This Act therefore impinges upon the ini yang victim sa-bagai negeri tidak territorial integrity and sovereignty of Malay­ payah Islam-lah. Bagaimana pun yang sia. It is illegal and therefore this House deplores the annexation of Sabah under the perchaya kapada keadilan, tentu-lah said Act and declares that the said Act is menyokong kita. Jadi dengan kerana null and void in accordance with international kita hendak ambilkan Islam barangkali practice. negeri2 lain ingat kita menolakkan That this House categorically rejects the mereka. Jadi tidak usah-lah kita hendak Philippines claim to Sabah as without any 2 legal foundation and as a denial of the untokkan, kita hendak hadkan negeri inalienable right of self-determination of the Islam bahkan kita minta-lah semua people of Sabah. 2 negeri dalam dunia ini memberi That this House reiterates the firm deter­ sebarang bantuan yang dapat kapada mination of the people of Malaysia to uphold kita yang kita mahu pada waktu ini and defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Malaysia, of which Sabah is a sympathy sahaja. constituent State. 2629 17 OKTOBER 1968 2630 Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Persidangan Jumlah perbelanjaan yang di- ini di-tempohkan hingga pukul 4.00 anggarkan bagi masa sementara dari petang hari ini. Ihb Januari, 1969 sa-hingga Anggaran Pembangunan tahun 1969 di-luluskan Persidangan di-tanggohkan pada keiak oleh Dewan ini ia-lah pukul 1.10 tengah hari. $324,875,710. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya me- Persidangan di-sambong sa-mula mohon menchadangkan. pada pukul 4.00 petang. Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan Kesihatan (Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Meshuarat) Rahman): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong usul ini. ANGGARAN PEMBANGUNAN Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, SEMENTARA TAHUN 1969 dan di-setujukan. Setia-usaha Parlimen kapada Menteri Kewangan (Tuan Ali bin Haji Di-putuskan, Ahmad): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya Bahawa Dewan ini mengikut sekshen 4 Act Kumpulan Wang Pembangunan, 1966, mohon menchadangkan usul yang di- menetapkan bahawa wang sa-banyak buat atas nama Menteri Kewangan $324,875,710 di-keluarkan daripada Kumpulan yang berbunyi: Wang Pembangunan bagi tahun kewangan 1969 untok perbelanjaan segera bagi maksud Bahawa Dewan ini mengikut sekshen 4 Act kepala2 yang terchatet dalam penyata Kumpulan Wang Pembangunan, 1966, sementara di-bentangkan sa-bagai Kertas menetapkan bahawa wang sa-banyak Perentah 46 tahun 1968, dan di-untokkan $324,875,710 di-keluarkan daripada Kumpulan jumlah tersebut bertentangan dengan kepala2 Wang Pembangunan bagi tahun kewangan di-ruangan tiga dalam penyata tersebut bagi 1969 untok perbelanjaan segera bagi maksud perbelanjaan sementara menunggu Anggaran kepala2 yang terchatet dalam penyata Pembangunan tahun 1969, di-luluskan. sementara di-bentangkan sa-bagai Kertas Perentah 46 tahun 1968, dan di-untokkan 2 jumlah tersebut bertentangan dengan kepala2 UNDANG KASTAM (TARIF di-ruangan tiga dalam penyata tersebut bagi BERSAMA MALAYSIA), 1966 perbelanjaan sementara menunggu Anggaran Pembangunan tahun 1969, di-luluskan. Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 19), 1968 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oieh kerana Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang Anggaran Pembangunan bagi tahun di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadang­ 1969 tidak akan di-binchang dan di- kan, luluskan oleh Dewan ini hingga bulan Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan Februari, 1969, maka perlu-lah per- ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- untokan di-sediakan untok Kerajaan nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, membiayai perbelanjaan yang mus- Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama tahak pada awal tahun hadapan sa- Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 19), 1968, yang hingga Anggaran Pembangunan tahun telah di-bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa- 1969 di-bentang dan di-luluskan oleh bagai Kertas Undang2 No. 136 tahun 1968, Dewan ini. Peratoran membentangkan di-sahkan. dalam Dewan Ra'ayat statement 2 Perentah yang ada di-hadapan sementara yang menunjokkan jumlah Majlis ini ia-lah untok memberikan wang yang perlu di-belanjakan ter- 2 perlindongan tarif kapada perusahaan hadap tiap Kepala Perbelanjaan sa- membuat kalvert dan paip, (culverts belum anggaran tahun itu di-luluskan, and pipes). Kalvert dan paip ada-lah ada-lah mengikut Sekshen 4 (5) Act di-perjeniskan di-bawah Tarif Kod Kumpulan Wang Pembangunan, 1966. 2 (T.K.) Nombor 663 629-1 dan 663 Ahli Yang Berhormat harus ingat 629-2. Kalvert dan paip yang di- bahawa peratoran yang sama telah di- perjeniskan di-bawah T.K. No. 663 jalankan pada tahun lalu sa-belum 629-1 dahulu di-kenakan chukai impot Anggaran bagi tahun 1968 di-luluskan sa-banyak 15% ad valorem bagi oleh Dewan ini. seluroh Malaysia, sedangkan kalvert 2631 17 OKTOBER 1968 2632 dan paip yang di-perjeniskan di-bawah Bersama Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 19), T.K. No. 663 629-2 dahulu-nya tidak 1968 yang baharu sahaja di-sahkan di-kenakan chukai di-seluroh Malay­ tadi oleh Majlis ini melainkan ia di- sia. Perlindongan Tarif ini ada-lah kenakan kapada Pulau Pinang sahaja. perlu oleh kerana pada masa ini perusahaan2 tempatan sedang mengha- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon dapi pertandingan yang hebat dari- menchadangkan. pada perusahaan2 luar negeri. Pada masa ini perusahaan kalvert dan paip Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: di-Malaysia ini telah maju dan boleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon memenohi keperluan tempatan. Ke- menyokong usul ini. kurangan di-atas barang2 ini tidak-lah di-jangkakan. Oleh itu perentah yang Tuan Geh Chong Keat (Pulau Pinang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini ada-lah Utara) {dengan izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, untok memberikan perlindongan tarif I wish to request the Parliamentary di-atas perusahaan kalvert dan paip Secretary to the Minister of Finance, dengan kadar 25% ad valorem bagi as the Mover of this motion, to con­ seluroh Malaysia. sider that gooods manufactured in Penang, especially culverts and pipes Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon be allowed to be imported into the menchadangkan. mainland as goods manufactured in Malaysia, the reason being that these Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: pipes and culverts are made from Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon raw materials on which duties had menyokong usul ini. already been paid at the time of importation. Therefore, believing in Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, the principle of no double taxation, dan di-setujukan. I would request the Honourable Di-putuskan, Minister of Finance to consider Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan exempting such items manufactured ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- on the island of Penang with materials nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, on which import duties had been impo­ Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama sed from paying duty as those finished Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 19), 1968, yang products enter into the mainland. I telah di-bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa- would also request the Minister of bagai Kertas Undang2 No. 136 tahun 1968, Finance to consider, and it is quite di-sahkan. timely now to consider it, the issue of 2 Certificates of Origin for products UNDANG KASTAM (TARIF that are being manufactured in Penang BERSAMA MALAYSIA), 1966 in respect of goods or raw products on Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) which duties had already been paid. (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) Now, we know that up to today many (No. 17), 1968 items were roped into the Common Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang Market and, I should say that, through di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadang­ the design and problems of the Minis­ kan, ter of Commerce and Industry and the Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan Minister of Finance, it is quite inevit­ ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- able that many of the things were roped nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, in. But, the unfortunate part of it is Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), that finished products from the Island 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kaoada Pulau Pinang) of Penang, when no duties were impo­ (Pindaan) (No. 17), 1968, yang telah di: sed on the raw materials, when impor­ bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai 2 ted into the mainland had to pay duty Kertas Undang No. 137 tahun 1968, di- for those finished products, and this is sahkan. tantamount to imposition of duty on Perentah yang ada di-hadapan Maj­ the labour cost incurred in producing lis ini sekarang ada-lah sama juga those finished products, and it is quite dengan Perentah Kastam (Tarif perturbing at times, Sir, that without 2633 17 OKTOBER 1968 2634 this Federal policy, the implementa­ to look into this matter. However, tion proved to be a bit difficult. Imple­ recently, I came across another case in mentation has been the cause of a lot respect of salted cabbage in jars with of ill-feeling and loss of temper. In water which was being imported; they that respect, I have appealed to the had to pay a higher rate than those Honourable Minister before. If the duties paid at the Johore Bahru side. officers are not well acquainted with the Therefore, I begin to wonder again, Sir, instructions and the tariff codes and the whether there is any definite system in valuation of the products, I would taxation or imposition of duties, request the Ministry to conduct whether there is a systematic method seminars or courses to improve the of evaluation or assessment of the efficiency of these officers. I know, Sir, goods imported. Does the Minister of instances where young officers leave it to the officers to assess and exceeded the instructions. They were exercise their discretion as they deem bestowed with the power of discretion, fit? In this respect, Sir, I request the but being young, some very enthusiastic Honourable Minister of Finance, officers fired with plenty of ambition through the Honourable Parliamentary sometimes do over-carry their duties. Secretary to the Minister, to consider We know that businessmen have been these items. Thank you. shown discourtesy and officers have shown their authority, which was made Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad (dengan out to be final. But the worst of it, Sir, izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, action is being is that sometimes when some officers taken to see that Penang-manufactured were cornered, they turned their wrath goods move freely to other parts of upon these importers or our public by Malaysia. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Honour­ calling them "loyar burok", or at times able Member for Penang Utara spoke referred them to the Minister in a very just now in such a way as if the rough manner, saying, "You may as Government has no system of collec­ well refer this to your Minister". ting duties at the Customs check-points. I wish to deny the statement made by Therefore, I feel, Sir, that the time the Member for Penang Utara. We do has come, if the Minister is so have a system by which we collect determined to put the whole Island of duties and other taxes in this country. Penang into the Customs Area, when Sir, if a particular person or a parti­ the Minister must come out with a cular businessman is faced with prob­ more efficient system of collecting lems in bringing in or taking out goods duties which have to be paid without when he is trying to pay duty or trying this unnecessary impoliteness on the to declare goods at a Customs check­ part of the officers. I know that the point, I think there are two sides to the story: it is admitted that the Customs Minister of Finance is in the habit of officers are expected to carry out their saying that we cannot live in the best of duties with all the integrity and two worlds, and I know, Sir, that this courtesy to the public, but on the other remark may be pertinent where the hand, the public, especially the Minister said it, but when repeated by businessmen, have also a duty to do. the various officers, it really hurts. The They have got to try to facilitate the officers may say that the Minister smooth performance of the work by the is privileged, but then. Sir, the point Customs officers. Mr Speaker, Sir, I is that as civil officers, we expect them would not like to say very much more to carry out, to implement, the law as about this, but I would like to stress civilly, as tactfully and as politely as again that the public, especially the they can. I have brought out a case in businessmen, have got a duty also to this House in respect of lychees being help in the smooth performance of brought in in jars where they had to pay collection of duties by the Customs a certain rate at Penang and then these officers. was shifted to Singapore and came in through Johore where they paid a lower Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, rate. The Minister promised at that time dan di-setujukan. 2635 17 OKTOBER 1968 2636

Di-putuskan, 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan 2 (Pindaan) (No. 16), 1968, yang telah di- ia-itu menurut kuasa yang di-berikan kapada- bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, 2 2 Kertas Undang No. 138 tahun 1968, di- Undang Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), sahkan. 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) 2 (Pindaan) (No. 17), 1968, yang telah di: UNDANG KASTAM, 1967 bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai Kertas Undang2 No. 137 tahun 1968, di- Perentah Chukai Kastam (Pulau Pinang) sahkan. (Pindaan) (No. 8) 1968 Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang UNDANG2 KASTAM (TARIF di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadang­ BERSAMA MALAYSIA), 1966 kan, Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- (Lanjutan Kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) nya oleh sekshen-kechil (2) dalam sekshen 147, (No. 16), 1968 Undang2 Kastam, 1967, Perentah Chukai, Kastam (Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) (No. 8)/ Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang 1968, yang telah di-bentangkan di-hadapan di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadang- Majlis ini sa-bagai Kertas Undang2 No. 139 kan, tahun 1968, di-sahkan. Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan 2 Perentah tersebut melanjutkan ia-itu menurut kuasa yang di-berikan kapada- chukai impot ada sekarang ini di- nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), Malaysia Barat di-atas jaloran dan 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama kepingan aluminium (aluminium strips Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) and sheets) (Tarif Kod No. 684 221) (Pindaan) (No. 16), 1968, yang telah di- kapada Pulau Pinang. Pada masa ini bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai 2 Kertas Undang2 No. 138 tahun 1968, di- pembuat koch di-kawasan Utama sahkan. Kastam, Malaysia Barat yang mengim- pot jaloran dan kepingan aluminium Tujuan perentah yang tersebut ada- itu terpaksa membayar chukai impot lah untok melanjutkan chukai impot 2 2 2 di-atas barang ini sedangkan pembuat di-atas pelekat daripada getah (rubber koch di-Pulau Pinang tidak di-kenakan based—adhesives) (Tarif Kod No. chukai impot. Lanjutan chukai impot 621 020) kapada Pulau Pinang. Chukai di-atas jaloran dan kepingan aluminium impot yang pada masa ini di-kenakan akan membuka jalan untok menyama- di-kawasan Utama Kastam ia-lah 25% kan keadaan, atau menibulkan pariti, ad valorem (Chukai Penoh dan Isti- di-antara pembuat2 koch di-Tanah mewa). Lanjutan ini di-rasakan sangat 2 2 Besar Malaysia Barat dan Pembuat perlu oleh kerana pengimpotan pelekat Koch di-Pulau Pinang. ka-Pulau Pinang dengan tidak di-kena­ kan chukai impot mungkin akan mem- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon beri kesempatan untok menyeludopkan menchadangkan. 2 barang ini ka-Tanah Besar Malaysia Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Barat dan ini akan mengancham 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon perusahaan tempatan. menyokong usul ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon Tuan Geh Chong Keat {dengan izin): menchadangkan. Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: inform, through the Parliamentary Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon Secretary, the Minister of Finance that menyokong usul ini. there are many factories manufacturing aluminium ladders, aluminium doors Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, and other apparatus from aluminium dan di-setujukan. strips and sheets. These people do seek protection from the Government and Di-putuskan, the Honourable Minister. Now, from Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan the line of action taken by imposing ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, duties on these products, the Govern­ Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), ment may set up inevitably a monopoly 2637 17 OKTOBER 1968 2638 for these factories. There is only one cost, and as sure as the sun will rise factory producing aluminium strips tomorrow, the manufacturers down and sheets, which is supplied by here, with only one factory doing it, another company with the aluminium will push the price three times up, and ingots. Therefore, Sir, there is nothing the sufferers will be the Government to prevent these two factories to com­ and the consumers; and the middle bine and form a monopoly and setting class working people, who save and up the price of these aluminium sheets struggle to buy houses, will in turn and strips and other allied products. suffer because the cost of buildings will As a lot of these materials are being go up. The Government gives protec­ used and many factories and many tion just because of a factory and a few workers are involved, I would like hundred workers but thousands of the Minister to study the question of people in the country will have to protection for these products carefully, suffer. Through the tax, we have got first of all, to prevent monopoly and to pay a higher cost for the doors. secondly, to keep an eye on the price, Therefore, I say, Mr Speaker, Sir, in order to prevent the escalation of that the Government must be aware the price of this material which will of and must prevent this mono­ in turn cause prices of these finished polistic system, which may evolve products to increase. because of this protection, and the Government must also control the We know that the Government standard specifications and quality of has launched a low-cost housing the finished products and control the scheme programme throughout Malay­ cost of production and the selling sia and a lot of houses are coming up price. These are the only safeguards and they require a lot of these alumi­ for the consumers and the people in nium windows and aluminium doors. this country. Now, if there is no protection, the first loser will be the Government. Sir, I spoke just now about the The Government will have to pay more system of paying duty, and the and contribute towards the profit of Honourable Parliamentary Secretary this monopolistic trade. The other has given me a reply that the officers smaller factories would not be able to are always expected to be courteous compete with a bigger company, who and tactful to the general public. That, is the sole distributor to the mill which Sir, 1 agree and I accept that it is the produces these aluminium strips and proper thing to do and it should be the sheetings. For example, Sir, if a normal practice, but then, Sir, we have company which is the sole distributor experienced this defect. Perhaps the of these aluminium sheets tenders for Honourable Parliamentary Secretary the aluminium doors for the Govern­ will say that "a swallow does not ment crash programme low-cost make a summer", but it is still a housing and a factory in Penang also lesson for us to learn, a fault for us tenders for the same supply of alumi­ to rectify in order to nip it in the bud nium doors, the cost by this company before it spreads. Sir, the cost for an now may be somewhere around $40 aluminium door made in Penang came per door. Penang would be able to somewhere around $20, duty was supply at some-where around $35 or already paid for it, and when it was less. However, now Penang has got brought over to the mainland an to pay duty on the importation of officer there assessed it at $50 per door. these aluminium sheets, and after When he was shown the declaration, finishing they are sent over to the the costing and the import docu­ mainland and Penang has to pay ments of the aluminium sheets and duty again. Therefore, it makes it on the duty paid, he said, "I am not impossible for the Penang manufac­ worried; my job is to collect duty; turers to tender for the Government and I have not received any instruc­ requirements in the supply of these tions; and if you want to complain aluminium doors. But then, Sir, if you may as well see your Minister, today you block the Penang manufac­ Tun Tan Siew Sin". Therefore, I felt turers from coming in, you put up their that it was very impertinent, but then, 2639 17 OKTOBER 1968 2640

Sir, we are lucky, as I said, the Govern­ vival of the Penang Island, the Minis­ ment has its safeguard; we have a very ter of Finance and the Minister of efficient officer in Enche' Sidek. When Commerce and Industry must under­ he heard this thing and it was brought stand our problem and our call for the to his notice, he definitely said that halt of further roping in of more items it was not the proper thing for that into the Principal Customs Area. We officer to do and he really took action would crave for more patience from on it. For that I have to compliment both Honourable Ministers. The time him and say that we are very happy to has come now when the blowing of hot have such an efficient officer up there air would not help. We would like to as a safety valve; even though it is not have assistance and further concrete enough but it still is just enough to plans on improving the economic prevent further aggravation or mis­ position of the Island and the improve­ understanding which may cause a ment of the general income of the shower of hot air down the Honour­ people in Penang and thus solve the able Minister of Finance's collar. unemployment problem on the Island itself. So, Sir, I appeal to the Honour­ Sir, could I have a specific reply that able Minister of Finance to consider certificates of origin would be consi­ helping us to set afoot proper indus­ dered by the Minister of Finance, for trialisation by considering the issue of them to be issued in respect of finished Certificates of Origin through the State products on the Island of Penang, on Economic Officer in conjunction with all those products on which duties have the Customs Department and the been paid and non-dutiable raw Ministry of Commerce and Industry. materials, so that when those finished products are brought over to the Main­ I must not forget again, Sir, there land, they would be exempted? That are many products which we have would be another safety valve for the made out of raw materials, which Honourable Minister of Finance to when they come to the Mainland as assist in the industrialisation of the raw materials are non-dutiable—they Island of Penang. are—but when we finish the products Of course, Sir, it has been repea­ and bring them over to the Mainland, tedly stated by the Honourable Minis­ duty has to be paid on those products ter of Finance and the Honourable and it is tantamount to paying duty on Minister of Commerce and Industry labour. I am sure it is not the policy that they are out to help Penang to of the Minister of Finance, nor that of industrialise, but saying it is one thing the Minister of Commerce- and Indus­ and doing it another. But knowing try to impose duty on labour. Labour the Minister of Finance as we have is a form of employment. known him—he has within these few years said that he is very sincere Now, Sir, I would like to refer in in helping the Island of Penang and he particular to the question of what we wanted us to realise what is good for call bean curd sticks "tek-kaki" in us—I am sure that it would be a good Chinese. The beans for making this step for him to help Penang to help product are non-dutiable, when brought the factories that have been established to the Mainland or the Island; but and have been running to ease the when the bean curd sticks are brought unemployment problem on the Island over to the Mainland we have got to of Penang. pay duty. For those sticks that cannot be sold, they have to be collected and We, on the Island of Penang, may be taken back to the Island; then they are considered as very parochial in thought, clean, reprocessed and brought over to when we talk of the freeport of the the Mainland again, and duty has Island of Penang, but then, Sir, that again to be paid. So, each time they has been because we stay there. We, are brought over, duty has to be paid, the people of the Island of Penang even on the same unsaleable products. understand the position and we know Therefore, I would request the Honour­ what is good for the Island of Penang. able Minister to study this matter of We know, therefore, that for the sur­ the bean curd sticks, as about 200 over 2641 17 OKTOBER 1968 2642 families on the Island are concerned in tion of harmonisation of tariffs and the manufacturing of this product. If the integration of Penang into the the Minister of Commerce and Indus­ Common Market. However, Sir, I try would like to know, some of them would urge the Honourable Minister have run away from the Island to the of Finance and, through the Minister Mainland; and if he expects the 200 to of Finance, the Government serioulsy run over, Sir, I think the Minister of to put a stop to all these continuous Commerce and Industry may be asking series of amendments until at least the too much. Sir, I think it is not too so-called Master Plan which has been much for us to ask him to consider announced by the Honourable Deputy helping these 200 over families in the Prime Minister for the development of way of allowing the bean curd sticks Penang has been put on paper and free entry into the Mainland. It is a studied by the Central Government, by cheap staple food of the vegetarians this House, by the State Assembly and and the many working class groups, it the people of Penang. It may become is one of the essential foodstuffs of the quite an important issue in the next vegetarians, and I am sure the Minister few months as to how the Central of Finance and the Minister of Com­ Government goes on handling this merce and Industry will accord the question of integration of the port of request of these manufacturers of Penang and of Penang Island with the "tek kaki". Thank you, Sir. Common Market. In the course of many debates in this House, both the Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong) (dengan Honourable Minister of Finance and izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, it has now the Honourable Minister of Commerce become almost a fixed feature of the and Industry have elicited quite clearly Order Paper in Parliament, particularly our stand that in our view Penang in the last 18 months, and more so on Island's integration into the Common the last three or four occasions, that Market has to be done under circums­ there should be a string of motions in tances whereby the people of Penang the name of the Minister of Finance would not suffer. to make amendments to the Customs (Malaysian Common Tariffs) Act, Sir, even the imposition of this ending up with (Extension to Penang) present amendment can create dis­ (Amendment) Order. Sir, this slow, location, great discontent and great steady stream of amendments indicate disharmony. The Honourable Member the continuing process of the erosion of for Penang Utara has mentioned how the so-called free port status, a con­ "tek kaki" was taken back, washed tinuing shortening of the list of the and brought back, charged duty already shortlisted Port of Penang. brought back, charged duty and so on, and how it involves about 200 to 300 Sir, I do not claim the same degree families in Penang. Unless the Central of parochial love for the Port of Government and the State Government Penang as the Honourable Member for can come to a real understanding and Penang Utara does because, as far as to the processes whereby the develop­ we are concerned, the problem ment of industries on the Island of involves the whole of the State of Penang can be given uplift and the Penang, both Penang Island as well as harmonisation of the tariffs can be Province Wellesley. All that I wish to done without causing all these discon­ bring up is that many of the points tentment and without creating dis­ with particular reference to this par­ location in the livelihood of these ticular motion which have been raised people, who traditionally carry out this by the Honourable Member for Penang long family type and home type of Utara are very cogent points and he industries, and unless the Central has, in the course of the last few Government through its proposed Mas­ months, brought up item after item to ter Plan can give the people in Penang the notice of the Minister of Finance to Island a clear-cut view of their future, be transmitted to the Government so some definite hope for what they can that the Government could come to expect in terms of economic develop­ some policy with regard to this ques­ ment in the next five years, I suggest 2643 17 OKTOBER 1968 2644

that the Central Government should minimum amount of dislocation and put a stop to this continuous erosion the minimum amount of discontent; of the free-port. secondly, the Ministry of Finance would seriously consider stopping any These last three days we have spent further amendments to the Customs in this House finding areas of common tariffs until such time as the Minister united purpose and in this House we of Commerce and Industry and the have come together strongly in defence Deputy Prime Minister can evolve of the nation. Now, we are talking in this Master Plan for the development terms of one particular section of the of Penang and until such time as the nation. I do suggest very earnestly to people of Penang can see their econo­ the Central Government that they mic future in a better light than they cannot expect the people of Penang to can at the present moment. fully understand all the implications of what the Honourable Prime Minister Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan said just now in winding up a very Yang di-Pertua, berkenaan perkara important debate to the Members of melanjutkan chukai ka-Pulau Pinang the Opposition. There was no need for ini memang-lah akan di-adakan suatu Members of the Opposition to appear Master Plan akan di-timbangkan on T.V., or Radio, and make the people unhappy; the people are already kemudian kelak. Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada masa yang telah lalu enjoying what little happiness they 2 have; let them have peace; let them sampai pada hari chukai ini di-lanjut- have what little happiness they have kan kapada Pulau Pinang dengan without our making any further fuss beberapa sebab, satu daripada sebab- nya ia-lah hendak melindongkan peru- about it. However, the people in 2 Penang are certainly very unhappy sahaan yang ada di-dalam Pulau Pinang itu sendiri. Jadi, oleh kerana about this question over the 2 erosion of their Customs rights and itu terpaksa-lah dalam sa-tengah perkara maka chukai di-lanjutka|n erosion of their free-port status; and 2 6'ntil the Government can really provide kapada Pulau Pinang supaya barang these alternatives, I do suggest the yang di-buat di-dalam Pulau Pinang Central Government should not try to itu sendiri dapat perlindongan tariff further stir up the resentment that is dan dengan demikian dapat-lah hidup going up in the State of Penang. We dan juga dapat pasaran yang lebeh cannot help but feel that, in the process luas, ia-ini sa-lain daripada dalam of the debate which was held in the kawasan Pulau itu sahaja. last two days when the Honourable Prime Minister talked about the finan­ Yang kedua-nya, sa-bagaimana usul cial difficulties ahead and mentioned yang ada di-hadapan kita ini ia-lah di- that somehow or other ways and lanjutkan chukai ka-Pulau Pinang, itu means will have to be found to find ia-lah kerana hendak menyamakan more money for the coffers of the keadaan perusahaan dan perdagangan Ministry of Finance, very unfor­ supaya perbandingan perdagangan tunately the very first thing that this dapat berjalan dengan 'adil dan baik. House has to do is to pass a further amendment to the Customs (Malaysian Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara yang Common Tariffs) Act, so that the di-bangkitkan oleh Ahli daripada pockets of the people of Penang are the Penang Utara tadi ia-ini mengenai first to be dug into to extend the perkara yang di-timbulkan di-dalam budgetary needs of the Ministry of usul melanjutkan chukai pada "alumi­ Finance. nium strips dan sheets" ka-Pulau Pinang tadi, perkara ini, Tuan Yang I wind up reiterating in simple di-Pertua, telah di-timbangkan oleh terms. I hope first that the Ministry Tariff Advisory Board dan Tariff of Finance will co-ordinate with the Advisory Board telah mengambil State Government, in order that what­ keputusan, ia-itu bukan sahaja perlan- ever integration processes are neces­ jutan ini sa-bagai suatu perlindongan sary, they will be made with the tariff, tetapi juga untok menyamakan 2645 17 OKTOBER 1968 2646 keadaan tariff di-Pulau Pinang dan UNDANG2 KASTAM (TARIF di-Tanah Besar Malaysia Barat. BERSAMA MALAYSIA), 1966 Mengenai perkara monopolistic dan Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) menaikkan harga sa-suka hati sa- (Pindaan) (No. 20), 1968 bagaimana yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang Yang Berhormat dari Penang Utara di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadang- itu, saya suka-lah memberi jaminan, kan, ia-itu pehak Kerajaan akan sentiasa Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan memerhatikan perkembangan2 dan ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, jika berlaku perkara yang sa-umpama 2 ini pehak Kerajaan tidak akan ragu2 Undang Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia),. 2 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama atau tidak akan teragak lagi untok Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 20), 1968, yang mengambil tindakan sa-bagaimana telah di-bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa- yang telah di-buat-nya pada masa2 bagai Kertas Undang2 No. 140 tahun 1968,. yang telah lalu. di-sahkan. Mengenai perkara Certificate of Perentah ini ada-lah untok meri- Origin dan soal "bean curd" dan lain2 yamakan chukai impot di-atas "alumi­ yang di-sebutkan itu, saya berharap-lah nium strips and sheets" (Tarif Kod No. kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat ini 684 221) dan "wrought plates of supaya tidak-lah sa-mata2 menunggu- aluminium" (Tarif Kod No. 684 222). kan sidang2 Dewan Ra'ayat supaya Pada masa ini "aluminium strips and hendak menimbulkan perkara2 yang sheets" di-kenakan chukai sa-banyak sa-umpama itu, dan saya berharap 40 sen sa-paun (Chukai penoh dan Ahli Yang Berhormat itu akan me- chukai istimewa) di-Malaysia Barat 2 2 dan 15% (Chukai penoh dan chukai ngemukakan masaalah -nya, rayuan - 2 nya pada sa-barang masa dan mem- istimewa) di-Sarawak. Barang ini 2 tidak di-kenakan chukai di-Pulau berikan penjelasan yang lebeh panjang Pinang dan Sabah. "Wrought plates of jadi apa yang di-sebutkan oleh Ahli aluminium" pula, di-kenakan chukai Yang Berhormat mengenai "bean 30% (Chukai Penoh dan Chukai curd" dan sa-bagai-nya itu jadi tidak- Istimewa) di-Malaysia Barat dan 15% lah dapat hendak di-berikan jawapan (Chukai Penoh dan Chukai Istimewa) dengan tepat dan betul-nya kerana 2 background atau latar belakang per­ di-Sarawak. Barang ini juga, tidak di- kara2 ini tidak berapa jelas. Ahli Yang kenakan chukai di-Pulau Pinang dan Berhormat itu drama hanya dapat Sabah. menyebut-nya sambil lalu. Perentah yang ada di-hadapan Majlis ini ada-lah untok menukarkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, jika Ahli kadar2 chukai di-atas kedua2 barang Yang Berhormat itu dapat memberi- 2 yang di-sebutkan tadi kapada chukai kan di-dalam surat rayuan atau sa- tertentu sa-banyak 35 sen sa-paun di- bagai-nya kapada yang di-alamatkan atas "aluminium strips and sheets" kapada Menteri Kewangan menerang- dan di-atas "wrought plates of alumi­ kan segala sa-suatu mengenai perkara 2 nium", oleh sebab ini ada-lah "bean curd" atau lain lagi, maka di-anggap menchukopi untok melin- perkara ini dapat di-timbangkan dan dongkan perusahaan tempatan. tindakan yang sa-wajar-nya akan dapat di-ambil. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan. Usui di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, dan di-setujukan. Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon Di-putuskan, menyokong usul ini. Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- Usui di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, nya oleh sekshen-kechil (2) dalam sekshen dan di-setujukan. 147, Undang2 Kastam, 1967, Perentah Chukai Kastam (Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) Di-putuskan, (No. 8), 1968, yang telah di-bentangkan di- Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai Kertas Undang2 ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- No. 139 tahun 1968, di-sahkan. nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2f 2647 17 OKTOBER 1968 2648 Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), Undang2 yang bernama the Pensions 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama (Amendment) Act, 1968, di-bachakan Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 20), 1968, yang telah di-bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini kali yang kedua sekarang. 2 sa-bagai Kertas Undang No. 140 tahun 1968, 2 di-sahkan. Tujuan Rang Undang ini ada-lah untok meminda sharat2 Sekshen 18 2 2 dalam Undang Pension, 1951, untok UNDANG KASTAM (TARIF membolehkan pegawai2 perempuan BERSAMA MALAYSIA), 1966 yang sekarang berkhidmat dengan sa- Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) chara sementara di-masokkan ka- (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) dalam jawatan yang kekal dengan (No. 18), 1968. sharat bahawa mereka tidak-lah boleh Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang mendapat hak menerima ganjaran di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadang- kalau mereka meletakkan jawatan kan, sunggoh pun mereka maseh lagi ber- Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan hak menerima ganjaran yang ber- ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- kenaan jikalau mereka di-kehendaki nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, bersara daripada Perkhidmatan Awam Undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia). oleh Kerajaan. 1966, Perentah Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia) (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) Pindaan yang berkenaan ada-lah (Pindaan) (No. 18), 1968, yang telah di: bentangkan di-hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai mustahak di-buat di-sebabkan per- Kertas Undang2 No. 141 tahun 1968, di- bekalan dasar mengenai' pengambilan sahkan. orang perempuan yang telah berkah- Perentah yang ada di-hadapan win di-dalam Perkhidmatan Awam Dewan ini sekarang ada-lah sama telah di-tukar. Saperti yang ter- ma'alum, dasar sekarang mengenai dengan Perentah Kastam (Tarif Ber­ 2 sama Malaysia) (Pindaan) (No. 20), pengambilan pegawai perempuan ka- 1968 yang baharu sahaja di-sahkan dalam Perkhidmatan Awam tidak-lah memberi taraf kekal, atau pun taraf oleh Dewan ini melainkan ia di-kena- 2 kan kapada Pulau Pinang sahaja. berpenchen kapada pegawai perem­ puan yang telah berkahwin pada masa Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon mereka mulai di-ambil bekerja, atau menchadangkan. pun berkahwin sa-lepas mulai' ber­ khidmat, tetapi sa-belum mereka di- Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: tetapkan dalam jawatan. Dasar yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon demikian ada-lah satu dasar yang menyokong usul ini. berasaskan kapada pertimbangan Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, saperti berikut: dan di-setujukan. (1) Perkahwinan dan kewajipan Di-putuskan, yang berkaitan dengan-nya akan Bahawa Majlis ini mengambil ketetapan mengganggu, atau pun menyeng- ia-itu menurut kuasa2 yang di-berikan kapada- gong kechekapan pegawai yang nya oleh sekshen-kechil (4) dalam sekshen 2, berkenaan apabila membuat undang2 Kastam (Tarif Bersama Malaysia), 2 (Lanjutan kapada Pulau Pinang) (Pindaan) tugas yang rasmi. (No. 18), 1968, yang telah di-bentangkan di- 2 (2) Kesukaran akan timbul apabila hadapan Majlis ini sa-bagai Kertas Undang 2 No. 141 tahun 1968, di-sahkan. pegawai perempuan yang ber­ kahwin dan yang berjawatan kekal di-tukarkan kapada tem- RANG UNDANG2 pat2 yang lain, atau pun meng- ikut mana yang menasabah THE PENSIONS (AMENDMENT) apabila suami2 mereka di-tukar­ BILL kan. Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua dan Ketiga (3) Masaalah mengenai tidak ada Menteri Muda Kebudayaan, Belia dan kerja, atau pun unemployment Sokan (Engku Muhsein bin Abdul dalam masa keadaan banyak Kadir): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya orang yang tidak ada kerja memohon menchadangkan suatu Rang dalam negeri akan merusutkan 2649 17 OKTOBER 1968 2650 lagi, jikalau perempuan2 me- bulanan yang berpenchen bagi Pega­ menohi jawatan2 yang kebia- wai2 yang berkenaan bagi tiap2 bulan saan-nya di-penohi oleh kaum perkhidmatan yang di-sempurnakan- laki2. nya tertaklok kapada had tertinggi Dasar yang sekarang telah pun di- sa-banyak satu tahun gaji penchen- kaji sa-mula oleh Jawatan-kuasa nya. Jemaah Menteri mengenai perjawatan Sekshen 18 di-dalam kadar yang di- yang telah pun meluluskan pindaan dapati sekarang ini ada-lah membekal­ di-buat bagi membolehkan sa-orang kan khas untok membayar ganjaran perempuan yang berkahwin di-tim- perkahwinan walau pun di-dalam kes2 bangkan untok memenohi jawatan2 di-mana pegawai itu meletakkan kerja, yang tetap, boleh di-tetapkan dan di- atau pun bersara dengan sendiri-nya masokkan ka-dalam taraf yang ber- kerana berkahwin, tetapi di-bawah penchen jikalau Surohanjaya Perkhid- dasar yang baharu sa-saorang pegawai matan Awam yang berkenaan, atau perempuan hanya berhak menerima pun pehak yang berkuasa Negeri ganjaran perkahwinan jikalau ia di- mengikut masa yang menasabah ber- kehendaki bersara oleh Kerajaan di- puas hati bahawa kedudokan mereka sebabkan oleh perkahwinan sahaja. sa-bagai perempuan yang telah ber­ Walau pun demikian pindaan saperti kahwin tidak akan menyenggong yang di-chadangkan ini tidak-lah boleh kechekapan mereka apabila menjalan- di-kenakan kapada pegawai2 perem­ kan tugas2 rasmi Kerajaan. Yang puan yang telah pun memegang jawa­ kedua, semua pegawai2 perempuan tan2 yang bertaraf berpenchen pada yang berkahwin walau pun mereka atau pun sa-belum tarikh pindaan itu telah berkahwin atau pun tidak sa- di-kuat-kuasakan. Pegawai2 yang belum di-ambil berkhidmat atau saperti itu telah pun berhak menerima berhak menerima bayaran bonos ber- ganjaran perkahwinan apabila meletak­ henti kerja jikalau mereka memegang kan kerja, atau pun bersara dengan jawatan2 yang bertaraf tidak ber- kemahuan mereka sendiri dan mereka penchen. Mereka boleh juga di- tidak-lah boleh di-tahankan daripada pertimbangkan untok di-beri ganjaran menerima apa yang mereka telah ber­ perkahwinan—married gratituties, ji­ hak mendapat mengikut perkara kalau mereka ia-lah pegawai2 yang bekalan Fasal 147 dari Perlembagaan berpenchen, walau pun demikian pem- Persekutuan yang membekalkan bayaran bonos berhenti kerja, atau bahawa Undang2 Penchen 1951 tidak- pun ganjaran perkahwinan mengikut lah boleh di-buat bagi mengurangkan mana yang menasabah akan di-beri- hak2 mereka yang layak menerima dari kan hanya kapada mereka yang di- tarikh mereka itu mula'i berkhidmatan. kehendaki oleh Kerajaan untok Rang Undang2 saperti yang di-ke- bersara di-sebabkan perkahwinan. mukakan sekarang yang berbunyi Pegawai2 perempuan yang meletak- "the Pensions (Amendment) Act, 1968" kan kerja, atau pun bersara dengan ada-lah untok meminda sekshen 18 kemahuan diri sendiri, kerana berkah­ dari Undang2 Penshen, 1951 yang win tidak akan lagi berhak menerima bertujuan untok memberi bekalan bonos berhenti kerja, atau pun gan­ supaya sa-orang pegawai perempuan jaran perkahwinan. Sa-belum dasar yang di-ambil dalam jawatan yang baharu ini dapat di-laksanakan ada- bertaraf berpenchen pada atau sa-lepas lah mustahak di-pinda Sekshen 18 tarikh kuat-kuasa dasar baharu ini Undang2 Berpenchen, 1951. Sekshen tidak akan di-beri ganjaran dan jika­ ini ada-lah membekalkan untok mem- lau meletakkan kerja kerana berkah­ bayar ganjaran pegawai2 kapada win. perempuan yang memegang jawatan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya memo- yang bertaraf berpenchen dan sa-telah 2 hon menchadangkan supaya di-bacha berkhidmat sa-kurang -nya 5 tahun pada kali yang kedua. jikalau ia meletakkan kerja, atau pun di-kehendaki bersara kerana berkah­ Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: win. Ganjaran ini ada-lah di-kira Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon mengikut kadar 1/12 daripada gaji menyokong. 2651 17 OKTOBER 1968 2652 Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim Kerajaan kita untok memberi keadilan (Jitra-Padang Terap): Tuan Yang di- kapada kuam wanita yang sa-lama Pertua, saya sunggoh berasa suka- ini telah menunjokkan kesanggupan chita dan bangga di-atas langkah dan kebolehan bersama dengan kaum Kerajaan Perikatan bagi berusaha laki2 bagi memikul tanggong-jawab- dan kejayaan-nya membuat pindaan nya terhadap negara. Maka di-sini ka-atas Undang2 Penchen, 1951 ini. saya berkata sudah sampai masa-nya yang Kerajaan kita tidak lagi men- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan ada- jadikan perkahwinan satu sebab yang nya pindaan ini, maka pegawai2 2 2 boleh mengkurangkan hak kaum wanita yang menjadi pegawai Ke­ wanita. Terima kaseh. rajaan sementara atau tidak tetap dengan sebab telah berkahwin maka Dr Lim Chong Eu (Tanjong) (dengan kelak akan berhak mendapat penchen izin): Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not quite saperti pegawai2 laki2 yang memegang understand why the Government jawatan tetap. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, should choose this particular juncture sa-lama ini pegawai2 wanita yang to introduce this amendment to the menjadi pegawai sementara ini ada- Pensions Ordinance and the manner lah chuma mendapat sagu hati sahaja whereby it should choose to do so. apakala bersara. Perkara ini telah Sir, having accepted in principle, and lama di-perjuangkan dan di-kemuka- haying stated that it has accepted in kan oleh kaum wanita negeri ini principle—the Government has pro­ kapada Kerajaan sambil mereka nie- claimed that it accepts the equal rights mohon gaji sama. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. of women in this country, it even saya perchaya dengan sebab Kerajaan accepts the principle of equal pay for belum dapat melaksanakan gaji sama women, although they have not im­ dengan sebab keadaan kewangan, plemented it—now they have imposed maka Kerajaan tidak lupa melaksana­ a further condition whereby women kan mana2 permohonan yang boleh serving officers and men serving di-buat sekarang untok faedah kaum officers are becoming more unequal. wanita. Sa-lama ini kaum wanita Sir, there is a possibility under the tidak menuntut hak2 yang lebeh dari- same Act, reading in the same way pada kaum laki2 bahkan chuma me­ but putting the terms in the masculine nuntut keadilan berdasarkan sama rather than the feminine, that a male kebolehan, kelayakan dan tanggong- officer or a man officer who resigns jawab di-antara laki2 dan perempuan. his office on account of marriage Dengan ada-nya pindaan kapada presumably is entitled to pension. Sir, Undang2 yang telah di-chipta dan di- it does appear as though there is a buat zaman penjajah dahulu, maka certain discrimination being placed kaum wanita berasa lega dan ter- against women serving officers. It is jamin kedudokan-nya pada masa akan admitted that the general practice is datang. Kita semua tahu bahawa per- that the women should follow their kahwinan, atau perkongsian hidup husbands for domestic arrangements antara suami isteri bukan-nya semua and so on, but in this country, where kekal oleh sebab ada-nya percheraian, we have now incorporated cultures, atau kematian suami-nya. Perkara ini where women activities and men terjadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada activities, particularly in Sarawak sa-orang isteri yang mempunyai tang- and elsewhere, sometimes are equated gongan yang bekerja dengan Kerajaan in slightly different ways than what we dengan sebab tidak berhak mendapat are accustomed to, it is possible that berpenchen oleh sebab perkahwinan. man officer might want to resign his Dengan ini sudah tentu satu perkara office on account of marriage. If that yang tidak adil. happens, then would he still be en­ titled to pensions, whereas the women Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Undang2 yang officers would not be entitled to pen­ di-bentangkan sekarang ini ada-lah sions? I would like this clarification satu undang2 yang memberi jaminan from the Honourable Minister. kapada kebanyakan pegawai2 wanita However, Sir, the other point that yang berkahwin dan ini satu langkah I wish to raise touches on a matter 2653 17 OKTOBER 1968 2654 of regret, and I hope that the Ministry chen—persaraan pada satu keluarga will take cognizance of it; it is a rather yang di-tumpukan kesenangan itu. Itu sad thing to see that the Government sahaja, Dato' Yang di-Pertua. Terima has chosen to make a Bill to amend kaseh. the Pensions Ordinance, 1951, but in so amending this Pensions Ordinance, Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: the Government has not thought it Saya hendak minta Ahli Yang Ber­ fit to include a longstanding grouse hormat itu kalau boleh memberi amongst the very old pensioners of jaminan, kalau anak dia bekerja the Government Service. I think, Sir, dengan Kerajaan, kalau dia hendak the Government has received many berkahwin, kahwin dengan pegawai applications from old pensioners who Kerajaan, dia terpaksa berhenti kerja! had taken their pensions under the Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Barangkali dia old terms and which the present cost tidak ada beranak (Ketawa). of living allowances make their pen­ sions not really feasible in terms of Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Dato' gratuity, allowances, and so on and Yang di-Pertua, bagi menjawab-nya, I hope that the Government, at some saya uchapkan terima kaseh. Memang future date, sooner rather than later, benar, Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya will pay heed to the pleas of the tidak beranak, yang beranak isteri saya Government Pensioners' Society for (Ketawa). Tetapi kira-nya kalau Un­ the revision of the pension schemes for dang2 yang sa-macham ini di-laksana- the old-time Government pensioners. kan maka keluarga saya patoh kapada Undang2. Saya rela anak saya tidak Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar bekerja. Terima kaseh. Utara): Dato' Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyokong Rang Undang2 Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir: yang ada di-hadapan kita ini. Di- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menguchap- samping itu saya memberikan sadikit kan terima kaseh atas uchapan yang pandangan dalam masaalah ini. Dato' telah di-beri oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat Yang di-Pertua, saya mengharapkan dari Jitra-Padang Terap, sa-orang kaum supaya Kerajaan mengkaji balek bila ibu kita yang menyokong Kerajaan mengambil kaki-tangan Kerajaan dari- dalam langkah ini. Saya suka menyata- pada kaum wanita. Kira-nya wanita kan bahawa memang-lah dasar Kerajaan itu akan berkahwin dengan pegawai untok sa-berapa boleh apabila keadaan Kerajaan, wanita ini patut jangan kita kewangan mengizinkan, hendak melak- terima. Dan kira-nya mereka sudah sanakan dasar2 yang telah kita tentukan berkahwin dengan pegawai Kerajaan, dahulu itu dan memang-lah Kerajaan patut kita berhentikan dia dan berikan dari satu masa ka-satu masa berusaha sara hidup. Saya, Dato' Yang di-Per­ hendak memberi puas hati kapada kaum tua, memandangkan masaalah ini . . . ibu, apa yang kaum ibu minta itu, Tan Sri Fatimah binti Haji Hashim: kalau kita boleh beri, kita beri-lah. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, boleh-kah Yang Berkenaan dengan pandangan yang Berhormat itu . . . di-buat oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Tanjong tadi dalam beberapa perkara Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Dato' terutama sa-kali tentang gaji sama bagi Yang di-Pertua, saya memandangkan perempuan itu memang telah di-terima masaalah ini bahawa kita boleh me- pada dasar-nya oleh pehak Kerajaan. ngelakkan banyak-nya penganggoran Yang kedua-nya, chara2 melaksanakan dalam negeri ini, biar-lah jawatan itu sahaja-lah sa-bagaimana saya kata Kerajaan itu kembang, kalau suami- tadi akan di-laksanakan memandang nya sudah bekerja dengan Kerajaan, kapada keadaan2 kewangan dari satu jangan isteri-nya bekerja; kalau isteri- masa ka-satu masa. Tujuan pindaan nya sudah bekerja dengan Kerajaan, Undang2 ini ia-lah untok memberi suami-nya jangan bekerja dengan Kera­ faedah yang lebeh banyak lagi kapada jaan; itu pandangan saya. pegawai2 wanita, dengan tujuan untok Yang kedua-nya, merengankan be- memberi taraf perempuan2 itu sama banan Kerajaan pada membayar pen- dengan kaum laki2. 2655 17 OCTOBER 1968 2656

Dalam masaalah pemberhentian pula Disember, 1969, di-bacha bagi kali sa-kira-nya satu orang pegawai lelaki yang kedua. berhenti maka pegawai itu tidak-lah 2 mendapat apa2 penchen. Dan yang Tujuan Rang Undang ini ia-lah akhir sa-kali dalam perkara rayuan untok mendapatkan kebenaran semen- ahli2 penchen yang lama, memandang- tara bagi perbelanjaan Kerajaan bagi beberapa bulan pada awal tahun 1969 kan kapada keadaan perbelanjaan yang 2 hingga Rang Undang Perbekalan bagi tinggi sekarang ini, maka memang-lah tahun 1969 di-luluskan oleh kedua2 pehak Kerajaan sedang menimbangkan Dewan dan mendapat Persetujuan di- perkara ini dan pada satu masa nanti Raja pada tahun hadapan. Peratoran apabila keadaan kewangan itu mem- ini ada-lah mengikut Perkara 102 (a) bolehkan, perkara ini akan di-beri Perlembagaan Malaysia. perhatian yang lebeh tegas lagi. Rang Undang2 ini ia-lah untok mem- Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, dan benarkan pengeluaran daripada Kum­ di-setujukan. pulan Wang Yang di-Satukan jumlah Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang wang sa-banyak $498,984,600 yang di- kedua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan anggarkan mustahak bagi perkhidmatan sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. Kerajaan dalam tempoh empat bulan yang pertama tahun 1969. Jadual ka­ Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan- pada Rang Undang2 ini menyediakan kuasa. peruntokan2 bagi perkhidmatan2 ter- tentu untok masa itu. Perbelanjaan yang (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusi­ di-masokkan dalam Rang Undang2 ini kan meshuarat Jawatan-kuasa) tidak termasok perbelanjaan tanggo- ngan ia-ini "Charged Expenditure" Fasal 1 dan 2 di-perentahkan menjadi 2 2 yang sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Ber- sa-bahagian daripada Rang Undang . hormat sedia ma'alum, tidak di-kehen- 2 Rang Undang2 di-laporkan dengan daki untok di-luluskan oleh Undang tidak ada pindaan: di-bachakan kali Perbekalan. yang ketiga dan di-luluskan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Persidangan ini di-tempohkan sa-lama 15 minit. Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon Persidangan di-tempohkan pada pukul menyokong. 5.25 petang. Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, Persidangan di-sambong sa-mula pada dan di-setujukan. pukul 5.40 petang. 2 Rang Undang di-bachakan kali yang kedua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan (Tuan Yang di-Pertua sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. mempengerusikan Meshuarat) Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan- RANG UNDANG2 KUMPULAN kuasa. WANG YANG DI-SATUKAN (PERBELANJAAN (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan PENDAHULUAN) meshuarat Jawatan-kuasa) Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua dan Ketiga Fasal 1 dan 2 di-perentahkan menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Rang Undang2. Tuan Ali bin Haji Ahmad: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menchadangkan 2 Jadual di-perentahkan menjadi sa- bahawa Rang Undang yang bernama bahagian daripada Rang Undang2. suatu Act bagi menggunakan wang daripada Kumpulan Wang Yang di- Rang Undang2 di-laporkan dengan Satukan untok perbelanjaan bagi per­ tidak ada pindaan: di-bachakan kali khidmatan tahun yang berakhir 31hb yang ketiga dan di-luluskan. 2657 17 OKTOBER 1968 2658 RANG UNDANG2 PENYEMAKAN bedza daripada penyemakan sa-chara UNDANG2 convenshen. Mengikut kaedah penye­ makan sa-chara convenshen undang2 Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua dan Ketiga di-keluarkan dengan berjilid2 dan pada 2 Menteri Ke'adilan (Tiian Bahaman bin umum-nya di-dapati bahawa undang Saimudin): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, yang terkandong di-dalam-nya itu telah dengan hormat-nya saya menchadang- di-pinda pula pada atau sa-belum sa- kan Rang Undang2 Penyemakan Un- suatu jilid itu di-keluarkan dan oleh dang2 di-bachakan pada kali yang yang demikian jilid itu tidak-lah dapat 2 di-gunakan sa-bagai rojokan sa-hingga kedua-nya. Rang Undang ini telah di- 2 bacha kali yang pertama-nya di-Meshu- pindaan tersebut telah di-chatetkan ka- dalam-nya dan lagi jikalau naskhah arat Dewan Ra'ayat pada bulan 2 September tahun 1968. sa-suatu undang yang tertentu itu di- kehendaki dengan segera, undang2 itu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, penyemakan tidak dapat di-kemukakan dalam ben­ yang terakhir bagi undang2 Persekutuan tok-nya yang di-semak sa-hingga jilid telah di-jalankan lebeh kurang 30 tahun yang mengandongi itu telah siap untok dahulu dalam tahun 1935 ia-itu dalam di-keluarkan. 2 masa Negeri Melayu Bersekutu terdiri 2 daripada Negeri2 Perak, Selangor, Negri Rang Undang sekarang ini bercha­ Sembilan dan Pahang. Kemudian kita dang memakai apa yang di-kata sistem telah mengalami perang dunia bercherai, Loose leaf system, tetapi kedua dan menempoh beberapa per- dalam hal ini sistem ini lebeh tepat ubahan mengenai Perlembagaan, tetapi di-namakan buku bercherai, oleh kerana kepingan2 yang mengandongi tiap2 satu kita maseh menggunakan chetakan 2 yang di-semak dalam tahun 1935 itu, undang akan di-jilid kesemua-nya juga berkenaan dengan sa-tengah2 dalam bentok yang membolehkan buku undang2 kita. itu di-masokkan dengan mudah-nya dalam suatu penjilid yang kekal. Menu- Naskhah2 chetakan yang di-semak itu rut sistem ini tiap2 satu undang2 yang serta jua naskhah2 chetakan sa-tengah2 di-semak boleh di-semak atau di- undang2 yang kemudian-nya tidak boleh pinda dan di-keluarkan dengan chepat. di-dapati lagi sekarang ini. Dan oleh 2 yang demikian penyemakan undang2 Fasal 4, 8 dan 9 Rang Undang ini mengemukakan suatu bentok yang telah menjadi suatu tugas yang patut 2 di-segerakan. Suatu perchubaan untok baharu. Fasal itu menchadangkan 2 penubohan satu Jawatan-kuasa Penye- menyemak undang telah di-jalankan 2 dalam tahun 1962 dan jilid yang per- mak Undang yang di-lantek oleh 2 Ketua Hakim Negara dengan mengan­ tama bagi undang yang di-semak sa- 2 2 benar-nya telah siap untok di-chetak dongi Hakim dan lain orang yang sesuai dan berkelayakan walau pun dan kerja untok menyiapkan jilid yang 2 kedua pun telah menchapai perengkat orang itu tidak samesti-nya Peguam hampir siap, tetapi oleh sebab penubo- untok mengadakan suatu chara kawalan han Malaysia, kerja itu terpaksa di- bagi mempastikan supaya Pesurohjaya tinggalkan. Berikutan dengan penubo- Penyemak Undang2 itu bertindak dalam han Malaysia, undang2 yang wujud had kuasa-nya yang di-beri oleh Un­ telah di-dapati perlu di-ubah supaya dang2. Suatu undang2 yang di-semak undang2 itu sa-laras dengan peruntokan2 yang telah di-pereksa oleh Jawatan- Perlembagaan dan ini di-ikuti pula kuasa itu dan jika berkenaan di-pinda dengan perpisahan Singapura daripada bagi mematohi pendapat Jawatan-kuasa Malaysia. Kesemua-nya ini melambat- itu akan di-terbitkan dalam Warta kan tugas menjalankan sa-mula kerja Kerajaan dan akan berkuat-kuasa penyemakan undang2. inulal daripada tarikh penerbitan-nya. Chara merojokkan kapada Parlimen Rang Undang2 yang ada di-hadapan saperti yang di-buat dalam penyemakan Dewan ini sekarang berchadang hendak sa-chara convenshen itu ada-lah di- membentok suatu asas undang2 menge­ gantikan dengan suatu chara di-mana nai' penyemakan undang2 pada masa pindaan2 yang di-buat oleh Pesurohjaya hadapan dan bentok-nya ada-lah ber- itu di-pereksa dengan teliti oleh satu 2659 17 OKTOBER 1968 2660 Jawatan-kuasa yang terdiri daripada 6 (1) (i) (h) dan di-akhir bahagian pertama pakar2 undang2 yang berkelibar tinggi. sekshen 6 (1) (i) (/) dan gantikan dengan perkataan "itu sa-lepas ia di-semak"; 2 Rang Undang ini telah di-rojokan Sekshen 6 (1) (iii): Tambah di-hujong- kapada Ketua Hakim Negara dan nya perkataan "atau bagi mensesuaikao Majlis Peguam dan telah di-pinda me- undang2 itu supaya sa-laras dengan per- ngikut pindaan2 yang di-chadangkan untokan undang2 yang di-pakai bagi pentafsiran undang2 itu sa-lepas ia di- oleh mereka. semak". 2 Sa-lain daripada perkara yang telah (Section 6 (1) (i) (h) and (i): For the di-nyatakan tadi kapada Dewan Rang words "the revised law" which occur in Undang2 ini tidak-lah berbeza sangat lines 5 and 4 respectively substitute "the daripada bentok undang2 Negeri2 Ko- law after it has been revised"., manwel yang lain mengenai penye- Section 6 (1) (iii): At the end thereof makan undang2. Sistem yang di- add the words "or to bring the law into- chadangkan dalam Rang Undang2 ini conformity with the provisions of the law 2 applicable for the interpretation of the law dapat mengatasi kesulitan penyemakan after it has been revised".) undang2 sa-chara convenshen dan mem- bolehkan suatu proses penyemakan Pindaan di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, undang2 yang berjalan terus-menerus dan di-setujukan. 2 2 dan membolehkan tiap satu undang Fasal 6 sa-bagai yang di-pinda di- itu di-semak dan di-kemaskan dari sa- perentahkan menjadi sa-bahagian dari­ masa ka-samasa dengan tidak payah pada Rang Undang2. menunggu penyemakan di-jalankan sa- lepas tiap2 beberapa tahun. Fasal 7 hingga 17 di-perentahkan menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Rang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan hormat- Undang2. nya saya menchadangkan. Rang Undang2 di-laporkan dengan Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: pindaan: di-bachakan kali yang ketiga Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon dan di-luluskan. menyokong. Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, THE INTERPRETATION dan di-setujukan. (AMENDMENT) BILL Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua dan Ketiga kedua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Tuan sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. Yang di-Pertua, dengan hormat-nya saya menchadangkan Rang Undang2 Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan- (Pindaan) Tafsiran tahun 1968 di-bacha kuasa. bagi kali yang kedua. Rang Undang2 di-timbangkan Tuan Yang di-Pertuas pentafsiran dalam Jawatan-kuasa. bagi Undang2 Persekutuan pada masa (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusU sekarang ini ada-lah terta'lok kapada kan meshuarat Jawatan-kuasa) dua Undang2. (a) Act Tafsiran No. 23 tahun 1967 Fasal 1 hingga 5 di-perentahkan 2 menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Rang yang di-pakai bagi Undang yang 2 di-buat sa-lepas Act itu mula ber- Undang . kuat-kuasa dan juga bagi Per- undangan kechil yang di-buat di- Fasal 6 2 Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: bawah Undang itu. Tuan Pengerusi, saya mohon mencha­ (b) Ordinance Tafsiran dan fasal2 dangkan pindaan pada sekshen 6 'Am K.M. No. 7 tahun 1948 saperti yang telah di-bentangkan dalam yang di-pakai bagi semua Un­ meshuarat ini. Pindaan-nya berbunyi dang2 yang di-buat sa-belum Act saperti berikut: 1967 itu mula berkuat-kuasa dan bagi semua Act dan meminda Sekshen 6 (1) (i) (h) dan (i): Potong 2 perkataan "yang di-semak" di-akhir sekshen Undang tersebut. 2661 17 OKTOBER 1968 2662

Semua perundangan kechil yang di- Pindaan kapada sekshen 19 dalam buat di-bawah Undang2 tersebut sama Fasal 5 ada-lah menchadangkan satu ada di-buat sa-belum atau sa-lepas Act perubahan dalam Undang2 berkenaan dengan mula berkuat-kuasa-nya sa- 1967 itu mula berkuat-kuasa. 2 2 suatu Undang . Pada masa sekarang ini Penyemakan Undang yang akan di- tarikh mula berkuat-kuasa bagi mana2 jalankan dalam tahun 1969 memberi Act atau perundangan kechil sa-kira- peluang untok memasokkan semua nya tarikh itu tidak di-sebut di-dalam Undang2 Persekutuan ka-dalam bidang 2 2 Act atau perundangan kechil itu ia-lah Act 1967 itu. Fasal Rang Undang tarikh bila Act atau perundangan kechil itu akan bertujuan untok meminda itu di-terbitkan yang mana mungkin sekshen (2) dalam Act, 1967 itu ada-lah pada satu masa bila Undang2 itu belum di-chadangkan untok menchapai mak- lagi wujud. Mithal-nya suatu Act yang sud itu. Peruntokan tidak mungkin tidak menentukan tarikh bila ia mula dapat di-adakan untok ini dalam Act, berkuat-kuasa jika di-terbitkan pada 1967 itu dahulu kerana ini akan 30 haribulan November, 1968, kata-lah mengakibatkan pemereksaan yang pada pukul tiga petang, mengikut lengkap dan pemindaan segala 2 2 Undang yang ada sekarang ini mungkin Undang yang wujud pada masa itu. telah mula berkuat-kuasa pada tengah 2 malam 29 haribulan sampai 30 hari­ Warta Persekutuan sekarang ini di- bulan November, 1968. Pindaan itu terbitkan dalam beberapa bahagian. 2 menchadangkan supaya tarikh mula Tiada apa kuasa berkanun membenar- berkuat-kuasa dalam perkara saperti kan penerbitan sa-chara ini. ini hendak-lah tarikh yang berikutan Sekshen kechil baharu (18) (1) yang dengan tarikh penerbitan-nya ia-itu di-kemukakan oleh Fasal 4 di-dalam 24 jam terkemudian daripada masa Rang Undang2 itu ada-lah bertujuan yang di-tetapkan sekarang ini. untok mengatasi hal ini dan juga untok 2 Pindaan ini tidak-lah akan menimbul- menentukan perkara yang patut di- kan apa2 masaalah kerana Undang2 masokkan ka-dalam tiap2 satu baha­ 2 biasa-nya boleh di-kuat-kuasakan gian. Pemechahan kapada bahagian kebelakangan dengan menyatakan telah di-atorkan sa-chara demikian tarikh-nya dalam Undang2 itu sendiri. supaya sesuai dengan kaedah yang di- Fasal 3 dan 6 menchadangkan chadangkan untok di-pakai bagi 2 penerbitan undang2 yang di-semak. pindaan dari jenis formal yang ber- bangkit dari pindaan2 dalam fasal 4. Berpaling kapada sekshen kechil baharu 18 (2) dan 18 (3) yang di- Tuan, dengan hormat-nya saya men­ chadangkan dalam Fasal 4 keraguan chadangkan. telah terdapat sama ada perundangan 2 Menteri Buroh (Tuan V. Manicka- kechil yang di-buat di-bawah Undang vasagam): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya Sabah dan Sarawak sa-belum Malaysia mohon menyokong. yang telah di-ishtiharkan sa-bagai Undang2 Persekutuan patut di-terbit- Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, kan dalam Warta2 Persekutuan atau dan di-setujukan. 2 dalam Warta Negeri itu dan sa-suatu Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang amalan telah berlaku dalam mana kedua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan perkara yang di-terbitkan dalam Warta sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. Persekutuan di-ulang pada masa dalam Warta2 Negeri itu. Keraguan juga Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan- terdapat sama ada perundangan kechil kuasa. yang di-pakai untok tempatan sahaja, Rang Undang2 di-timbangkan dalam tetapi di-buat di-bawah Undang2 Per­ Jawatan-kuasa. sekutuan patut di-terbitkan dalam Warta Persekutuan atau dalam Warta (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan Negeri yang berkenaan. Sekshen kechil meshuarat Jawatan-kuasa baharu 18 (2) dan 18 (3) ada-lah ber­ Fasal 1 hingga 6 di-perentahkan tujuan untok menghapuskan keraguan2 menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Rang ini. Undang2. 2663 17 OKTOBER 1968 2664

2 Rang Undang di-laporkan dengan Dalam tahun 1964 satu langkah telah tidak ada pindaan: di-bachakan kali di-ambil untok menyatukan Persatuan yang ketiga dan di-luluskan. Budak2 Pengakap Tanah Melayu, Sarawak dan Sabah dalam satu badan RANG UNDANG2 (PERBADANAN yang tiada lagi terikat kapada United 2 Kingdom dan ini ada-lah sejajar dengan PERSEKUTUAN BUDAK kedudokan Malaysia sa-bagai sa-buah PENGAKAP MALAYSIA negara yang merdeka. Dalam pada itu Bachaan Kali Yang Kedua dan Ketiga penyelidekan lanjut telah di-jalankan dan hendak-lah di-fikirkan bahawa Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir: badan yang di-chadangkan yang hendak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengusul- 2 di-tubohkan itu akan memperolehi kan supaya Rang Undang (Perbadanan) faedah yang lebeh besar sa-kira-nya ia Persekutuan Budak2 Pengakap Malay­ di-jadikan sa-buah badan yang ber- sia, 1968 di-bacha bagi kali yang kedua kanun. dan di-luluskan. Deraf Perlembagaan itu telah sa- Rang Undang2 ini bermaksud hendak terus-nya di-semak untok di-jadikan memperbadankan Persekutuan Budak2 draft Incorporation Act of the Boy Pengakap Malaysia atau dalam bahasa Scouts Association of Malaysia dan Inggeris-nya Boy Scouts Association of deraf itu telah di-luluskan oleh Majlis Malaysia. Hingga sekarang ini Perseku­ Budak2 Pengakap di-Meshuarat Agong tuan Budak2 Pengakap yang ada di- Tahunan-nya yang di-adakan dalam Negeri2 Tanah Melayu, Sabah dan tahun 1967. Sarawak maseh di-uruskan dan di- 2 jalankan sa-bagai chawangan Perseku­ Semua tiga badan yang berkenaan tuan Budak2 Pengakap yang di- telah bersetuju untok memansokhkan Undang2 masing2 untok membolehkan perbadankan di-bawah Piagam di-Raja 2 2 di-United Kingdom. Undang Persekutuan Budak Pengakap Malaysia Incorporation tahun 1968 di- Sa-belum kemerdekaan dan tertuboh- sediakan. Tujuan Corporation ini ada- nya Malaysia, Persekutuan Budak2 lah untok mengadakan suatu organisasi yang akan di-buka kapada semua Pengakap Chawangan Persekutuan 2 Tanah Melayu ada-lah merupakan satu Budak Pengakap di-Malaysia yang chawangan Persatuan Budak2 Pengakap mana membolehkan mereka melaksana- kan dasar2 dan tujuan2 Corporation United Kingdom dan mempunyai 2 Perlembagaan dan peratoran2 chawang- tersebut dan menjalankan apa tugas an-nya sendiri. Kenyataan wujud-nya lain yang di-fikirkan perlu oleh Corpo­ ration itu, atau Majlis-nya yang ber­ Persekutuan ini ada-lah terkandong 2 dalam Undang2 Budak2 Pengakap maksud untok menchapai tujuan -nya. Bilangan 60 tahun 1953 yang menyata- kan dalam kata2 pendahuluan-nya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon bahawa undang2 itu ada-lah untok: menchadangkan. For the incorporation of the Chief Com­ Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: missioner of the Boy Scouts Associa­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon tion, Federation of Malaya Branch, and menyokong. to further and protect the activities in the interest of the Boy Scouts Associa­ Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan tion, Federation of Malaya Branch. Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untok Sa-bagaimana keadaan di-Persekutuan 2 2 menyokong Rang Undang ini. Sa-lain Tanah Melayu, Persatuan Budak daripada ini gemar saya menarek per- Pengakap di-Sarawak dan Sabah ada- hatian dengan chara yang rengkas. lah berjalan sa-chara persendirian sa- 2 2 2 Dalam Perbadanan Persekutuan Budak bagai chawangan Persatuan Budak Pengakap yang suchi yang berdiri ini Pengakap United Kingdom, masing2 2 dan sangat di-gemari oleh semua terta'alok kapada Undang Persatuan lapisan. Di-Persekutuan dan Perseku­ Budak2 Pengakap Sarawak tahun 1951, 2 2 2 tuan dan Budak Pengakap ini dan Undang Persatuan Budak boleh melahirkan warganegara yang Pengakap Sabah tahun 1951. ta'at setia dan bertanggong-jawab 2665 17 OKTOBER 1968 2666 kapada negara-nya. Satu perkara, Dato' terima kaseh atas pandangan kedua2 Yang di-Pertua, yang saya hendak beri Ahli Yang Berhormat itu. pandangan dan perhatian pada men- jalankan tugas dan latehan-nya dalam Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, ilmu pengetahuan dan sayugia-nya di- dan di-setujukan. 2 berikan Budak Pengakap kita ini atau Rang Undang2 di-bachakan kali yang Pemandu Putri-nya pelajaran berenang kedua dan di-serahkan kapada Dewan dan kaedah memberikan pertolongan sa-bagai Jawatan-kuasa. kapada orang yang lemas. Ini saya memandangkan bahawa negara kita ini Dewan bersidang sa-bagai Jawatan- negara yang banyak kawasan perayeran, kuasa. sungai dan perkara ini saya fikir patut mendapat perhatian daripada pehak (Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan yang berkenaan. Sekian-lah, terima meshuarat Jawatan-kuasa) kaseh. Fasal I hingga 14 di-perentahkan menjadi sa-bahagian daripada Rang Tunku Abdullah ibni Almarhum Undang2. Tuanku Abdul Rahman (Rawang): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya chuma Rang Undang2 di-laporkan dengan hendak menguchapkan terima kaseh tidak ada pindaan: di-bachakan kali dan uchapkan taniah kapada Kerajaan yang ketiga dan di-luluskan. yang telah mengemukakan Rang Undang2 ini terutama sa-kali dengan tujuan hendak menyatupadukan perge- PENANGGOHAN SINE DIE rakan2 belia terutama sa-kali di-antara (USUL) belia Malaysia Barat dan Malaysia Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Tuan Timor. Tetapi saya juga hendak-lah Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon mencha- menyeru kapada Kerajaan supaya di- dangkan bahawa Majlis ini di-tanggoh- galakkan lagi satu paduan antara 2 2 kan sekarang hingga suatu masa yang badan belia terutama sa-kali badan tidak di-tetapkan. yang tradisi saperti badan2 Girl Guides dan juga badan2 yang lain dan juga badan2 belia yang tidak memakai Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir: uniform, supaya pandangan, perasaan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon pergerakan belia itu boleh di-satukan menyokong. 2 supaya Malaysia betul menjadi satu Usul di-kemuka bagi di-putuskan, negara dan Malaysia yang berperasaan dan di-setujukan. sama. Itu sahaja-lah, Tuan Yang di- Pertua dan sa-kali lagi saya menguchap­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Majlis me­ kan taniah kapada Kerajaan dalam shuarat di-tanggohkan hingga satu masa perkara ini. yang tidak di-tetapkan. Engku Muhsein bin Abdul Kadir: Dewan di-tanggohkan pada pukul Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya uchapkan 6.20 petang.